Transcript of our conversation with Trista & Russell Polo 8/29/2020

(0:19) Hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Knocked Conscious. (0:23) I've got my friend Chris here. (0:25) Hello.(0:26) I've got me here. (0:27) Hi. (0:27) And I've got two very special guests.(0:30) The first guest is Trista Polo from Plate Story Podcast. (0:35) Hi, Trista. (0:35) Very excited.(0:36) This is like round two. (0:39) Round 2.3, I think we're at. (0:41) 2.3 and a half, yes.(0:42) Article C, subparagraph G. (0:47) I joined you because I had attorneys on the line. (0:50) And we have a very special guest. (0:52) Trista, would you like to introduce your special guest? (0:55) Yes, I would like to introduce you to the very amazing Russell Polo.(1:02) This is his very first podcast interview in his whole life, right? (1:05) Is that true? (1:06) I think so. (1:07) I think so, yeah. (1:07) I mean, I've always been behind the scenes.(1:11) Yay. (1:12) Yay. (1:13) We have to celebrate, everybody.(1:14) Let's do it. (1:16) So, welcome. (1:19) Well, welcome.(1:20) Yeah, thank you. (1:21) So, a little back story. (1:22) Trista was gracious enough to have Christopher and myself on her podcast, Plate Story Podcast, (1:28) where Christopher shared his hair metal license vanity plate, and I shared, don't be evil.(1:34) And then we did a flippity flop, and we had Trista come on our show, and she told us (1:39) about her backstory and how she got that. (1:42) And it was such a pleasant conversation. (1:44) It was fun, wasn't it? (1:47) It was.(1:48) Absolutely. (1:49) So, what we did was, we thought, hey, let's do another one with some random topic. (1:53) And Trista mentioned Russell coming on, and we're happy to have you guys, so thank you (1:56) so much.(1:57) Trista, I'd love for you and Russell to kind of talk about the topic, because you brought (2:02) it to us, and we're just riffing with you guys. (2:05) Well, you know, it's so funny, because typically, I am what I consider to be Switzerland when (2:11) it comes to pretty much any topic of discussion. (2:15) I very rarely have such strong opinions and feelings that I would argue them for over (2:22) 10 years, keeping the same opinion, and being very passionate and committed to my side (2:30) of things.(2:32) And this is one of those topics that is an exception to my rule of, I don't air my opinions (2:42) in the public eye. (2:45) And what's interesting is that Russell- And what is that topic? (2:48) Because I don't think we've even talked about it yet. (2:50) We haven't yet.(2:50) We haven't. (2:51) Are you teasing? (2:52) I'm going to give you a little more build-up first. (2:53) Are you teasing us? (2:53) I'm giving you more build-up.(2:54) Yes. (2:55) I like it. (2:56) It's okay.(2:56) I'm going to do a little more. (2:58) So this is one of the many things- I just want to apologize to anybody listening, (3:02) because I personally hate when the presenter will not get to the point. (3:08) I am getting to the point.(3:10) You guys are the best. (3:11) This is awesome. (3:13) So this is one of the many topics that Russell and I have argued over more than a decade, (3:21) a decade-long time period.(3:23) And it would have been longer if we had talked about it before that, because we've always (3:26) been on opposite sides. (3:28) So the topic is, should we go and conquer Mars? (3:37) We being the human race. (3:39) We being the human race.(3:41) Anyone. (3:41) Does anyone have any business being on Mars is her position. (3:44) And why do you disagree about this? (3:46) Or is that too early to ask that question? (3:48) Can we start with, you want to conquer Mars? (3:52) Can we- (3:52) Who's there to be conquered? (3:53) Can we please get this patriarchy out of this conversation? (3:57) Well, I think you know my stance based on my word choice, right? (4:03) So Russell, like any human being that is built the way we are naturally built, believes that (4:11) we should constantly be expanding our reach.(4:14) And we've run out of expansion on this planet. (4:17) So let's go see what else is there. (4:19) Mars is close by.(4:20) Let's go see what they're up to. (4:22) And I disagree. (4:24) I don't think we have any business doing that.(4:28) And so that's the topic that I thought it would be fun to argue about, not just in our (4:34) own private home, but on your podcast. (4:38) Well, the interesting thing is that you asked, why does she have this opinion? (4:44) And I don't even really don't know the answer. (4:46) I simply know that it's just not something that I can discuss with her because there's (4:50) no wiggle room.(4:51) There's no motion. (4:52) That's because you don't listen to me when I tell you why I think we should not do that. (4:56) I've told you many times.(4:58) So now we're going to have it recorded. (5:00) We're going to have it recorded so that we can always go back and you could listen to (5:03) this many times. (5:04) So this is like podcast therapy.(5:06) I was just going to say, we're doing couple's therapy. (5:08) We've got a couch back here. (5:09) There is a couch in our recording studio.(5:11) You're going to make Chris lay on it for some reason. (5:15) No, I don't want to. (5:16) Listen, after 24 years of marriage, you know, we're going to have things we disagree on.(5:28) So you've actually had this just yes, no, without the middle part. (5:34) I think we've had the middle part, but not in a decade or more because it just never (5:39) works. (5:40) It's just not true.(5:40) You guys, we've talked about this so much more recently because we're actually making (5:47) progress. (5:49) Because I'll send her a link about, you know, look at this robot they're sending to Mars. (5:54) They're going to do tests to verify there's no life there.(5:58) Therefore, if we went there, it wouldn't be screwing with anybody's destiny. (6:02) We're simply going to be expanding our territorial presence. (6:07) And she's like, what business do we have? (6:08) We shouldn't be there.(6:09) Well, that's the thing. (6:10) He keeps sending me, he keeps sending me articles like, look, see, this is why we should go to (6:15) Mars. (6:16) I'm like, no, this is exactly why we shouldn't go to Mars.(6:19) Don't you understand? (6:21) I love it. (6:21) Yeah, I haven't. (6:22) They made a helicopter.(6:24) Yeah. (6:24) I'm very excited about the helicopter. (6:27) Yeah.(6:27) I saw a bunch of... (6:29) On an atmospheric planet that doesn't have an atmosphere. (6:30) It's pretty weird. (6:31) Well, it's like a one percent atmosphere.(6:34) It's one percent. (6:35) I saw some videos on that. (6:37) They had to put it in a giant vacuum chamber with a counterbalance to test it out.(6:42) And I really hope that thing works. (6:45) But yeah, I'm wondering how much, how much, how many particles it can push up to keep. (6:50) I mean, it's like a it's like a three or four bladed thing, right? (6:52) It's pretty neat.(6:53) It's two blades, one on top of the other. (6:56) And they spin crazy fast. (6:59) And apparently, if you were actually near it while it was flying, you would be like (7:05) disturbingly loud.(7:07) But there's nobody going to be there because it's an empty, dead planet. (7:11) And there's no oxygen to carry the sound. (7:13) So it probably helps.(7:14) Well, there's a very, very faint atmosphere. (7:17) It is a very faint, but it would be super quiet. (7:19) And this helicopter is completely... (7:23) There's no human in it.(7:24) No, no. (7:25) There's no humans going there yet. (7:26) Curiosity? (7:27) Is it Curiosity? (7:28) Is that the one? (7:29) No, Curiosity is already there.(7:31) The one that just was launched. (7:33) Yeah. (7:33) The one that hasn't landed yet.(7:35) I'm blanking on the name. (7:36) It's like Insider or something like that. (7:40) But yeah.(7:41) I think we could look that up somehow. (7:42) If there was only a place. (7:44) Yeah.(7:44) If there was only a service. (7:45) A database of sorts that one could type things into. (7:48) Like a cyber web? (7:50) I think you guys should invent it together while you talk about Mars and things together.(7:53) Maybe we should talk to Al Gore about this. (7:55) Maybe Al Gore can help us design a network of servers that all talk to each other. (8:01) I wonder if his web... (8:01) And hold data.(8:02) Or data. (8:03) Can his internet capture the warming that is happening? (8:06) I think it could. (8:08) And reverse the poor ice cap melt to save the bears.(8:11) We are on yes and no, obviously. (8:13) So now we're going to bridge this gap of let's... (8:16) How would you guys like to start? (8:18) You guys want to start with a yes or a no? (8:20) How are we going to go? (8:21) Pro, con? (8:22) Or how do you guys want to- (8:23) Well, I'll make my case and then we'll see where it goes. (8:27) Why do you think to go first? (8:29) Ladies first.(8:29) Because I'm going to lose. (8:30) Ladies first. (8:31) The guy always loses.(8:33) No, listen. (8:34) Look, OJ said ladies first. (8:36) At the end of- (8:36) That didn't go so well, did it? (8:38) That didn't go so well.(8:39) So at the end of any argument, if you don't come to agreement, then you're both winners (8:44) or losers, however you want to look at it. (8:47) So I think that if you're looking to try and convince me of something today that you have (8:51) not been able to convince me of for the last decade, I think you're here for the wrong reasons. (8:59) I think we're just having a conversation.(9:01) That's what I thought. (9:02) We don't look to score points. (9:04) We're just looking to talk about it.(9:06) We're just looking to have a conversation. (9:09) Is there a possibility that someone's going to storm out of some room in the next hour? (9:13) Okay, good. (9:14) No.(9:15) Oh, man. (9:16) Are you storming out? (9:18) Look, Trista, if I may, I think the law of recency is bigger than the law of primacy, (9:23) so I think you should let Russell go first if you want to win. (9:28) That's just my opinion.(9:33) I mean, whatever you guys want. (9:35) I'm outvoted. (9:36) Let me do this.(9:36) Three men to one woman. (9:38) Well, let's do this. (9:39) So, Russell, I have a feeling that you kind of want to maybe go.(9:44) He does. (9:44) And Trista, I got a feeling that you maybe kind of sort of maybe not want to go. (9:49) I mean, I could go, but he definitely wants it more than I do.(9:53) Obviously. (9:55) So, I don't know where Chris stands, and I haven't shared mine. (9:59) Do you guys think we're pro or con? (10:02) I want to again apologize to the listeners for this delay.(10:06) Whatever. (10:08) I think that you're both pro-Mars. (10:10) I think I'm probably like the only person in the freaking universe who's anti-Mars, (10:16) or at least in this planet.(10:17) Honey, why shouldn't we expand our species onto Mars? (10:21) No, you wanted to go first. (10:23) Mark, I think Russell's trying to take over as host. (10:26) Oh, it's totally okay.(10:27) So, well, that's what's great with people who don't know what they're doing on podcasts. (10:31) They're learning their first line. (10:35) Let's let Russell go.(10:37) Russell, go. (10:38) Real quickly, though. (10:39) No, no, real quick.(10:40) No, I didn't say real quick. (10:41) I said real quickly. (10:42) No, real quick.(10:43) That is different. (10:44) No. (10:45) All right.(10:46) Trust me. (10:47) He's talking. (10:48) Trista, really quickly.(10:49) No. (10:50) I just have to. (10:51) Just the one.(10:51) I will stop after this. (10:53) I promise. (10:54) You may find an ally, Trista.(10:58) Okay? (10:58) I'm definitely not. (11:00) I'm like 51-49. (11:01) Really? (11:02) Yeah, because I have a lot of stuff that I think about.(11:05) So, I will talk about that later, though, because I think it's Russell's turn. (11:09) I'm also neutral, so I can be persuaded either way by the two lawyers in New York. (11:15) Are you kidding me? (11:16) I thought that everybody was pro-Mars.(11:18) No, I don't give a crap. (11:19) That's what open-minded people do. (11:20) Open-minded people just are open-minded about things.(11:23) But I can be persuaded. (11:24) Russell could have a great case, and I could vote for him in an hour. (11:27) I don't know what's going to happen.(11:30) True. (11:30) We're going to have a vote at the end of this? (11:32) I mean. (11:32) Yes, we are.(11:33) It's going to be a two-two tie. (11:35) Senator Polo. (11:35) A little more exciting than I thought.(11:36) Or Senator Polo. (11:37) I don't know what's going to happen. (11:38) Do you have a pet that can be the tiebreaker? (11:41) Yes.(11:43) She's downstairs parking. (11:44) Your little dog. (11:46) All right.(11:46) So, 12 minutes, 38 seconds in. (11:50) Russell, are you getting uncomfortable that we haven't gotten to the point yet? (11:55) I do like to put things a little bit more tight and concise. (11:58) Okay.(11:58) Well, let's do it. (12:00) Let's tighten this up. (12:01) Go.(12:02) Well, so, I mean, the human race in its entire history has always expanded into new territories. (12:09) You know, within a couple of maybe a million years or so from the first humans, they were (12:15) on every continent in the planet. (12:17) It's our nature.(12:19) We've expanded to everywhere it's available to us. (12:22) It's the only species I'm aware of that's basically able to live in any environment because (12:25) we're able to control the living space, to live in Antarctica, to the deserts, anything. (12:32) And, you know, it's our nature.(12:35) And we've pretty much conquered this planet. (12:37) There's no question what the dominant species on the planet is. (12:40) It's the humans.(12:41) And it makes sense to continue to expand and follow that nature for a bunch of, you know, (12:47) exploration and learning reasons. (12:50) And also just to protect the ultimate future of the species. (12:54) We want to be a multi-planet and multi-star race.(12:57) And so we should, you know, the first step to being protected from the death of the planet, (13:02) the death of the star, is to expand beyond a single location. (13:06) I think the first step in that would be to set up a permanent base with humans on Mars. (13:13) Very well said.(13:14) That was very, I was expecting a longer monologue. (13:17) That was pretty brief. (13:19) You are concise.(13:22) So Triska, with that same brevity, can you just say no? (13:26) I don't know. (13:27) Everything he said is wrong. (13:30) Go.(13:30) Well, let's talk about the thoughts that you have about it, Russell. (13:36) So let's take one of your points. (13:38) What's one of your bigger points? (13:39) Is it we've always expanded? (13:41) Well, it's both that we've always expanded.(13:43) It's in our nature. (13:44) And to protect the ultimate survival of the species, we need to be diversified onto more (13:52) than one planet, more than one star. (13:54) I agree with the star point.(13:57) But there's a physics challenge there, right? (14:00) And I get the stepping stone of Mars being a stepping stone for something. (14:03) But when we go supernova, Mars is going to be sucked up too. (14:08) I don't understand your point.(14:10) What's the physics issue? (14:12) So physics is the speed of light. (14:14) We don't have the energy to go to another star, right? (14:16) The sun is our star. (14:17) I understand that.(14:18) But the time it would take to get to another star. (14:21) We want to be a multi, we want to live multiple places, right? (14:25) I would disagree. (14:26) We have the ability today to go to another star.(14:29) It just requires a commitment of creating a multi-generational ship. (14:34) Yes. (14:35) I'm not disagreeing with that fact of it.(14:37) But there's other things outside of our known universe, of our known solar system that (14:41) we could encounter on the way, right? (14:42) That could be pretty detrimental. (14:44) Well, we don't know. (14:45) I mean, you got to go to find out.(14:46) Well, I agree. (14:47) I totally agree with that. (14:48) But that's what, you know, that's where I would look at probes and some things to start, right? (14:52) As a starting point, kind of like what we did with Mars.(14:54) We put some rovers on and then worked our way up. (14:59) I like that. (15:00) Multi-generational ship.(15:02) It is. (15:02) That's a great freaking term. (15:03) By the way, what was that show in sci-fi? (15:05) It was good.(15:05) It's called Battlestar Galactica. (15:07) That is true. (15:09) So, so, Russell, you're, you're, you're, I mean, this is where I'm going to come with (15:13) a con.(15:14) I'm just going to ask, like, how did conquering other countries work or nations work for those (15:19) indigenous people? (15:20) Not saying there are or aren't indigenous people on Mars. (15:23) But how did that work for the place to which conquerors went? (15:27) Well, not conquerors, explorers or whatever you want to call it. (15:30) It totally sucked for them.(15:33) I mean, there's no debate about that. (15:34) However, in one sense, you know, the Americas was conquered before Columbus and Cortez got (15:41) here because there were already humans here. (15:44) And so it's not like these places weren't already explored and spread out to.(15:49) Well, there are indigenous people that were here, not explorers per se, right? (15:52) Well, but they were explorers, you know, 50,000 years earlier when they came across the Bering (15:57) Strait into the Americas. (15:58) Right. (15:58) Right.(15:59) But there was no one here. (16:00) So they were the explorers. (16:01) They were the explorers, but they weren't the people that came in after.(16:05) Right. (16:05) They just, you know, they weren't, they weren't the, the, the first ones here. (16:08) There's no debate about that.(16:10) Wasn't Columbus and Cortez. (16:12) It was, it was the, the, the natives that had. (16:15) The Incas and the Mayans and the Aztecs.(16:18) Were descendants of those original explorers. (16:21) Yeah. (16:21) And we know that they emigrated right across the Bering Strait and all that.(16:24) So that, not arguing any of that, my curiosity is going to a planet that we don't know. (16:30) What if there was indigenous life there? (16:32) And this is my point. (16:34) Exactly.(16:35) So that's the first point. (16:37) So Russell, please share your thoughts on that. (16:39) Like, can we work together or do we become the conquerors that we were for our previous, (16:44) you know, evolutionary.(16:45) Are you asking Russell or are you asking the people paying the bills? (16:49) I'm going to ask Russell because Russell's on the podcast. (16:52) Yeah, let's say Russell is paying the bills. (16:54) Let's say Russell is in charge of all the NASA's.(16:58) Well, I would think if there was a flourishing native species on Mars, (17:05) that it would be to our obligation to not screw it up, (17:11) to not, you know, infect it, not, not destroy it. (17:14) But the evidence is pretty good. (17:16) We have learned over these times that what we did as we expanded was not great.(17:24) So there's a little bit of a consciousness in the human mind to say, (17:27) let's not trample on everything anymore like we did. (17:31) Well, right. (17:31) When a herd of elephants, you know, moves to a new grazing field, (17:36) they tend to destroy that too.(17:37) So it's not like something unique to humans. (17:39) Well, that's the thing. (17:40) Humans are animals.(17:41) Like, I'm not, that's, we are all, we are just thinking animals. (17:45) I mean, you know, with this consciousness thing and these other. (17:48) Which means that we have within us the ability to be more careful about (17:53) stepping on, you know, ants if they're there.(17:56) But the thing is that there is pretty good evidence so far, (18:00) and they're, they're going to solidify it. (18:02) If there wasn't everything and ever anything on Mars, it ain't there now. (18:07) Yes.(18:08) Yes. (18:08) And I agree with you that we have, we have the ability to be careful, (18:12) but we also have the ability to build an atomic bomb. (18:16) So we have very dichotomic or, you know, bipolar.(18:22) The humanity is very bipolar, right? (18:24) Would you, would you agree with that statement? (18:28) That's one way to look at it. (18:29) Sure. (18:29) I would think that there's many voices and it's, you know, (18:34) there's never a unity.(18:36) Yeah. (18:36) Okay. (18:37) So the reasoning for going is it, it may, you know, (18:42) we're looking to expand territory, which is what humans have always done.(18:46) Right. (18:46) They've always been able to make their environment suit them. (18:49) Right.(18:49) They're the, (18:50) we're the only species that makes our environment suit us versus adapt to (18:55) another environment. (18:56) Correct. (18:57) Is that part of it? (18:58) Yep.(18:59) Okay. (18:59) And then what were some of the other points about just that we're generally, (19:02) it's just a stepping stone to become a multi-solar system species. (19:11) Multi-star.(19:11) Multi-star. (19:12) Which is multi-solar system. (19:14) Yeah.(19:14) That would be, that would be the, the, the ultimate goal is so that, (19:19) because we expect that the sun goes bye-bye in like, you know, (19:23) four or 5 billion years. (19:25) And I'd like that, you know, (19:27) whatever descendants remain are not going to be destroyed by it with no, (19:32) nothing left of them. (19:34) And is the human, (19:35) is the earth going to last that long or will the earth be able to be (19:42) survivable? (19:43) That's not the right terminology.(19:44) Oh, from the supernova? (19:45) No, (19:46) no, (19:46) not that way before then. (19:48) I mean, (19:48) like, (19:49) are we going to due to the, (19:51) the, (19:52) you know, (19:53) there's going to be ice ages and there's going to be volcanic issues. (19:56) And there's going to be, (19:57) the earth is going to continue to change as it has over the last 7 billion (20:01) years.(20:01) Right. (20:02) And so can humans survive that? (20:05) Well, (20:05) it wouldn't necessarily be humans by then. (20:07) It could be something different.(20:09) Asteroids or whatever. (20:10) Right. (20:10) But the, (20:11) the life on earth, (20:12) since it was here, (20:13) even with the big asteroid that killed the dinosaurs has demonstrated its (20:17) capability to adapt and survive.(20:18) And humans, (20:19) as I said, (20:20) are the most adapting and the most resilient species ever because we can (20:25) live anywhere we want. (20:27) True. (20:28) That's a good point.(20:29) So Trista. (20:31) Would you like to have a counter to Russell's first point about the, (20:38) you know, (20:38) about why we're doing this in the first place or even why? (20:42) I mean, (20:43) I took debate in college, (20:44) but I'm not sure I could quite do like the whole debate thing. (20:48) Yeah, (20:48) we're just talking.(20:50) Yeah. (20:50) Russell's definitely more educated on history, (20:55) well read on physics and interplanetary stuff. (20:59) He's a bigger fan of star Trek, (21:01) you know, (21:02) like he has a lot more data to go with in this conversation, (21:06) but here's what I know.(21:09) We as a species, (21:10) the humans, (21:11) we have proven generation after generation, (21:16) decade after millennia that we cannot be trusted to be gentle with our (21:23) expansion. (21:25) We do treat it as conquering. (21:27) We have wars over who owns stuff and we've even had wars over who owns (21:32) people and if they get to or not, (21:35) we are extremely untrustworthy to have compassion in our expansion.(21:42) Now, (21:43) maybe 10 generations from now, (21:45) a hundred generations from now, (21:47) we'll be better at it. (21:49) But right now we're not. (21:51) Right now we can pretty much be counted on to create nuclear (21:57) bombs, (21:58) viruses that will take out entire countries.(22:02) You know, (22:02) we're just not gentle with ourselves, (22:05) with our animals, (22:07) with our resources or with our planet. (22:10) And what do we have the right to go and bring that philosophy (22:17) that is very profit driven, (22:19) very I own the most, (22:21) I'm in charge, (22:21) I'm the biggest, (22:23) I'm, (22:24) you know, (22:24) the primary. (22:25) Why do we then get to take that and put it on another planet that (22:31) right now has its own opportunity to expand and evolve in its own way.(22:39) If there's frozen or dried up water, (22:43) if there's minuscule microbes frozen in time from a previous generation (22:51) of when Mars was better at handling life, (22:55) whatever life looked like on Mars. (22:57) And that has an opportunity just like it did here on our planet (23:00) to evolve into what ended up being humans. (23:05) Doesn't it get the right? (23:07) Don't those microbial, (23:09) you know, (23:10) amoebas get the same right that our ancestor microbial amoebas did (23:16) before anybody came and screwed it up? (23:19) You know, (23:20) buffalo, (23:21) people, (23:23) whoever, (23:23) when we go into a new area, (23:25) we use the resources and we use them up unless we're responsible for it.(23:31) I just don't see us being responsible enough. (23:34) You know, (23:34) we haven't earned the right to do it. (23:37) And I think history and Russell probably could quote and reference a lot more (23:44) specifics, (23:44) but I think history shows, (23:46) look on your Facebook.(23:47) If I just hit a couple of cute dogs that I like, (23:50) the next thing I know, (23:51) Facebook is showing me all the dogs being abused. (23:54) Why are we still abusing animals? (23:55) Are we not evolved enough to not do that? (23:58) And if we're not, (23:59) why do we get to go to another planet and rape it of its resources for our own (24:07) survival? (24:08) I just think it's, (24:09) it's not a good idea. (24:11) It's not good for the planet we're going to, (24:13) because we've proven that we can't be trusted to handle it responsibly.(24:19) Yeah. (24:19) Part of the burden of being this, (24:22) you know, (24:23) top of the food chain, (24:24) the way we are, (24:25) is that we tend to go, (24:28) Oh, can we, (24:29) you know, (24:29) can we do it versus should we do it? (24:31) Is the first thing. (24:32) So all we, (24:33) you know, (24:33) a lot of our, (24:34) you know, (24:34) a lot of our concern is, (24:35) Oh my God, (24:36) can we make this happen? (24:38) Cause we want to make things happen.(24:39) Progress, (24:40) right? (24:40) That's what it's all about. (24:41) Yep. (24:42) But we don't think about whether we should in the first place in a lot of cases.(24:46) And a lot of times we go, (24:48) well, (24:48) we're smart. (24:49) We got us here. (24:51) Any problem that we create from this, (24:54) we can get out of.(24:54) And I disagree with that statement. (24:56) I am a very Einsteinian kind of guy. (24:59) And I believe that no, (25:01) no problem can be fixed with the same consciousness that created it, (25:04) for example.(25:06) So to your point, (25:07) Tris, (25:07) I think you're right. (25:08) Like the, (25:09) that invasion piece, (25:10) right. (25:10) Or the, (25:11) as a whole humanity has shown that it's not responsible enough yet.(25:17) We can't even be responsible with each other. (25:20) I, (25:20) I've seen friends all the time. (25:22) If you're not thinking the same political things, (25:24) I'm thinking, (25:25) please unfriend me.(25:26) Why, (25:27) why can't we, (25:27) why can't we just be in disagreement and still in harmony? (25:32) Why can't we still have compassion for people with different views than we have? (25:37) Were you listening to my conversation last night with some friends? (25:40) I do not appreciate you eavesdropping. (25:42) Okay. (25:43) That is not.(25:44) Wait, (25:45) are you Jeff Bezos? (25:45) What's going on? (25:47) Look, (25:48) Alexa Polo. (25:49) That is not okay. (25:50) By the way, (25:50) hold on, (25:51) hold on one second.(25:52) Real quick. (25:52) I want to have fun with this. (25:53) I said, (25:54) hold on.(25:54) I didn't say. (25:55) but I hashtag, (25:57) hold on. (25:57) You guys are going to hate this, (25:59) but go Alexa, (26:00) play knocked conscious podcast.(26:04) Is she in the room? (26:05) Hopefully that's going to make everybody's go off. (26:07) Oh yeah. (26:09) I hope that's going to happen.(26:14) Dork. (26:15) Go ahead, (26:15) sir. (26:15) I love you, (26:16) bro.(26:16) You had a conversation. (26:17) So, (26:17) yeah, (26:18) we're not gonna talk about that shit. (26:20) sorry.(26:21) I cussed too much. (26:22) Catholic school. (26:23) I apologize.(26:24) Mr. (26:25) Russell, (26:25) you learned to cuss is Catholic school. (26:28) F yeah. (26:29) 13 years K through 12.(26:32) Christopher, (26:32) we think you should go to Notre Dame too. (26:34) Hell no. (26:35) Get away from me, (26:36) dad.(26:36) I'm not. (26:37) No, (26:38) absolutely not. (26:40) Take your ultra boy.(26:41) Go away. (26:42) So, (26:43) sorry. (26:43) And now therapy just ended.(26:45) Yeah, (26:49) dive. (26:50) Anyways. (26:51) So, (26:53) Mr. (26:53) Russell, (26:54) do you believe that your lovely wife has any valid points in her argument? (27:01) Well, (27:02) I mean, (27:02) I'm not going to dispute that humans have screwed up a lot of things they've touched.(27:07) Okay. (27:07) But we've also fixed and improved a lot of things. (27:10) Um, (27:11) you know, (27:11) the food production, (27:12) uh, (27:13) you know, (27:13) from farms is so much higher.(27:15) The, (27:16) uh, (27:16) farmers are in poverty. (27:19) Food is made with genetic modifications. (27:23) Corn isn't even recognizable as corn.(27:25) What are you talking about? (27:27) Um, (27:28) well, (27:28) these are all changes. (27:29) Do you, (27:29) does your wife ever use punctuation? (27:33) You can see the punctuation in context. (27:37) The bigger question is who's holding the contra over there.(27:42) This is Lord of the flies or something. (27:44) No, (27:44) um, (27:44) no, (27:45) I'm making sure. (27:46) I mean, (27:46) yes, (27:47) you mentioned the farm thing.(27:48) Yeah, (27:48) we've gotten better, (27:49) but that's not the point. (27:51) Okay. (27:51) Hang on.(27:52) We, (27:52) I, (27:53) Russell still needs to answer the question about Trista's arguments because Trista made (27:58) five or six or seven points about the human race and our lack of responsibility. (28:04) And we can't take care of each other. (28:06) And those are valid arguments.(28:07) And throughout history, (28:09) humans have sucked.com big time. (28:12) And, (28:13) uh, (28:14) for Christ's sake, (28:15) when the Spanish came to South America, (28:18) they were called the conquistadores. (28:21) That's not a good word.(28:25) So have the humans learned enough to not do that again? (28:29) So Russell has, (28:31) are those points valid in your mind? (28:34) Well, (28:35) I'm not going to say that because somebody once did something wrong, (28:39) therefore no one else should ever be allowed to try it. (28:42) And so I think you have to, (28:43) to, (28:44) to keep, (28:45) you know, (28:45) trying and evolving to find a way that it can work. (28:48) And I think we all agree that humans have gotten better and they're not, (28:52) not, (28:52) you know, (28:52) perfectly evolved, (28:53) nor do I think we ever will be.(28:55) And so I'm not saying that in any, (28:57) you know, (28:58) planetary or solar system expansion, (29:00) we're not going to screw up. (29:02) But I think that, (29:03) um, (29:03) done with the proper sense of mind and the, (29:06) the knowledge and history of what's happened in the past, (29:08) that I think they could be guided to, (29:11) to do it right as best as they're able. (29:14) And, (29:14) uh, (29:14) to the, (29:15) to remark about, (29:16) you know, (29:16) the, (29:16) the poor little microbes, (29:17) you know, (29:18) frozen in the ice on the, (29:19) the Martian poles.(29:21) Um, (29:22) well, (29:22) what if in the, (29:23) in the, (29:23) uh, (29:24) motion of moving humans to that planet, (29:26) we warm it up, (29:27) thicken the atmosphere and those microbes finally get to live because the (29:31) environment they needed evaporated with the Martian atmosphere. (29:35) What if our going there actually gives them a better opportunity? (29:39) That's a lot of what ifs. (29:41) There is a, (29:42) what if there now, (29:43) the question I had about that Russell, (29:44) and I believe you do make a good point.(29:46) I don't believe just because we've made a mistake that we can't ever (29:50) try again. (29:51) I mean, (29:51) I think that's the whole point, (29:52) right? (29:52) Is that we always try to improve. (29:55) One point of mine is, (29:56) is a better human, (29:58) a good human, (29:59) because we're better, (30:00) but are we good yet in a weird way? (30:02) And I know good's like a very better shifting scale.(30:05) Well, (30:05) we're better. (30:06) We're better at our technology. (30:08) Like Russell was talking about, (30:09) we can, (30:10) we can increase food for, (30:11) you know, (30:11) and yes, (30:12) we've done it different ways, (30:13) Trista, (30:14) but I'm talking about, (30:15) I mean, (30:15) hold on.(30:16) I'm talking about our humanness. (30:19) Yes. (30:19) Yeah.(30:20) They're two separate conversations. (30:21) It's not the same as, (30:23) can I make a better iPhone? (30:24) Can I make more corn on this field than I did 10 years ago? (30:27) I'm talking about how we treat each other. (30:30) Yeah.(30:30) Yeah. (30:31) 2000 years ago, (30:32) um, (30:32) you know, (30:33) the populace went to the arena to watch people actually kill each other with, (30:38) you know, (30:38) knives and maces and things, (30:39) you know, (30:40) for the arena that was entertainment. (30:41) And now that has evolved into people talking trash by each other on reality shows.(30:46) I mean, (30:46) that, (30:46) that it's still, (30:48) you know, (30:48) um, (30:49) a, (30:49) a gladiator conflict, (30:51) if you will, (30:51) but it's not as bloody and deadly as it, (30:54) as it once was. (30:56) But it's also, (30:56) but it is detrimental. (30:57) I mean, (30:58) we're finding that bullying, (30:59) for example, (30:59) has, (31:00) has, (31:00) has, (31:01) has an effect even if it's not physical, (31:03) right? (31:03) Even just emotional.(31:04) Oh, (31:05) sure. (31:05) But, (31:05) but, (31:05) and that's where social media is really taken off. (31:08) Can you really, (31:10) I don't disagree with that, (31:11) but, (31:11) but once again, (31:12) having those things in, (31:13) you know, (31:14) people who have experienced certain traumas, (31:16) I'm not, (31:17) I'm, (31:17) you can't, (31:17) you can't compare a slave being forced to battle a lion in front of 50,000 people in (31:24) ancient Rome to a tweet, (31:26) to a tweet.(31:27) Yeah, (31:27) I agree. (31:27) That's not, (31:28) I'm not disagreeing with that, (31:29) but as, (31:30) as we get softer and as we get less combative physically, (31:35) we get more emotionally soft. (31:37) Absolutely.(31:37) So the smaller, (31:39) the smaller the phrase could have a higher impact in the future as we get softer. (31:44) We're sensitive little bitches. (31:46) I get it.(31:46) Yeah. (31:48) God. (31:49) And I'm not saying we should never, (31:51) you know what? (31:52) Just send me to Mars.(31:53) I'm done with this crap. (31:54) Right. (31:55) Just, (31:55) just, (31:55) you know, (31:56) we're not even going to Canada.(31:57) Now we're going to Mars, (31:58) right? (31:58) Just put me on the helicopter, (31:59) bro. (32:00) And I'm not saying that we'll never be ready. (32:03) I'm just saying the way we treat each other now, (32:05) I don't think we have any business impacting a completely new environment, (32:11) like a planet who's got its own evolution going on.(32:16) May I ask a question about the moon then, (32:18) for example, (32:19) Tristan? (32:19) Is the moon different than Mars in your opinion, (32:21) or is it all any kind of expansion for the, (32:24) for humanity off of earth is kind of seen with a less than favorable light by you. (32:31) Mark, (32:32) what about Uranus? (32:34) Um, (32:35) it's delicious. (32:40) I withdraw the question.(32:42) Yeah, (32:42) thank you. (32:43) That's not being edited out, (32:44) by the way. (32:44) I don't give a crap.(32:49) Sorry, (32:49) the moon. (32:50) What did I not say just now? (32:52) Tristan, (32:52) the moon, (32:52) go. (32:52) I, (32:53) you know, (32:53) you know, (32:53) it's a, (32:53) it's an interesting question, (32:55) Mark, (32:55) because it had already happened when I was born.(33:00) Right. (33:01) And so I sort of just accepted it in the tapestry of who we are as a culture and who we are (33:06) as a people. (33:08) I also don't believe that there's ever been any evidence that it has life or had life or (33:16) could have life.(33:18) It's a, (33:18) it's a good question. (33:20) I'm not sure. (33:20) We're, (33:21) we're still on the fence on whether the moon landings even happened.(33:24) So that's, (33:25) I'm going to go there. (33:26) Two podcasts. (33:27) Yeah, (33:27) we did a podcast about that.(33:28) We did one on that. (33:29) We wore tin foil hats and everything. (33:30) Yup.(33:31) We put on a foil, (33:32) like a bunch of stupid idiots. (33:33) And, (33:34) and just so you both know, (33:35) if you are going to put on tin foil hats, (33:38) the shiny part has to be inside because it has to reflect your brain cell brain ways (33:43) from going out. (33:45) That's how tin foil hats work.(33:46) I don't know if you knew the physics behind that. (33:48) I didn't. (33:48) I thought it was the opposite.(33:49) I thought we were trying to avoid having them listen to our brains with their, (33:53) yeah. (33:54) No, (33:54) no, (33:54) see, (33:54) see, (33:54) I thought, (33:55) I thought it was the important thing was to make sure that it's all thoroughly crinkled (33:59) so that the waves get distorted in different directions. (34:01) So you don't get a, (34:02) a direct beam.(34:03) Ooh, (34:03) like a stealth, (34:04) like a stealth helmet. (34:05) Exactly. (34:06) Reverse stealth helmet.(34:07) Yeah. (34:07) Reverse stealth. (34:08) I just look like, (34:09) I just look like Napoleon.(34:11) So we just went from Mars to moon to tin foil hats. (34:14) Yes. (34:14) And three different theories of how they work too.(34:17) Boom. (34:18) Or we're never going to agree on anything. (34:21) So, (34:22) so the moon.(34:24) Okay. (34:25) So we got the philosophical part kind of out of the way, (34:29) right? (34:29) We're, (34:29) we're just disagree philosophically. (34:32) Trista, (34:32) you think maybe if, (34:34) if there's a point now, (34:35) who, (34:35) who would deem the point Trista to, (34:37) to take Russell's side, (34:38) who would deem the point that we're good enough as a species to do it? (34:41) Like when is the go point as humanity or for humanity? (34:45) You mean like who would decide? (34:47) Well, (34:47) right.(34:47) Cause, (34:48) cause just like laws, (34:49) like what's good and what's bad, (34:50) right? (34:50) Like does it need to be all of humanity or just the ones who are actually doing the exploring? (34:54) And that's the question, (34:55) right? (34:55) It's not the ones doing the exploring. (34:57) You have to worry about it's the ones paying the ones doing the exploring. (35:01) All I have to do is threaten to take away my grant money and you're going to do whatever (35:06) I need you to do so that I can stay there because I'm a scientist and I want to get the work (35:11) done.(35:11) Well, (35:12) I'll say this Oppenheimer did not help create the atomic bomb because he just was just sitting (35:17) there in a lab and said, (35:18) I've got all the resources in the world, (35:19) right? (35:20) The United States government gave him everything he needed to help make that. (35:24) And as soon as he saw that first one go off, (35:26) he basically said the look on his face, (35:29) I don't know if you've ever seen that, (35:31) uh, (35:31) that video. (35:33) No.(35:33) Okay. (35:34) If you look up Oppenheimer YouTube, (35:36) like I am become death, (35:38) the destroyer worlds, (35:39) watch that comment by him and just the sheer terror on his face after he realized what (35:44) he did. (35:45) Right.(35:45) But that's the thing. (35:46) It's too late. (35:47) That's what I'm saying.(35:47) It's scary. (35:48) Yeah. (35:49) Right.(35:49) What I'm saying is it's scary, (35:50) right? (35:50) It's like we have to decide whether we should versus whether we can. (35:55) Yeah, (35:55) I completely agree with that. (35:57) But you're saying who decides and I'm saying people who have the money because I have to (36:01) put up the money before you can go explore it.(36:05) And maybe you're the most altruistic person in the world, (36:08) but maybe I didn't tell you the whole story. (36:10) That movie avatar is a perfect example. (36:12) These scientists think they're doing amazing things, (36:15) but it turns out the people with the money just want to get the resources out.(36:18) but no, (36:19) that's not. (36:19) But the question is, (36:20) Trista, (36:21) if you were in charge, (36:23) who would you let decide these things? (36:32) That's where it gets tricky, (36:34) right? (36:34) Let's be honest. (36:35) That's where it gets gray because it's almost like, (36:36) what do you consider bullying or what do you consider the limit? (36:40) Right.(36:41) But this, (36:41) when has humanity been, (36:43) okay, (36:43) we're better than this is in charge. (36:44) She's the president of the world, (36:46) right? (36:46) So she gets to say whatever the F she wants. (36:49) Polo for president.(36:49) Eckhart Tolle. (36:50) Eckhart Tolle gets to decide. (36:53) So what are you, (36:54) what's your thought? (36:55) What's your thought on that, (36:56) Trista? (36:57) I, (36:57) you know, (36:58) I, (36:59) I don't know.(37:00) I don't think we are in a position as a society. (37:04) That's not the question. (37:05) The question is.(37:06) Trista's holding you to it. (37:07) No. (37:07) The question is.(37:09) The question is. (37:10) The answer is nobody currently is qualified to decide (37:16) because everybody on this planet, (37:18) in this environment has an agenda. (37:21) And that agenda is what gets us into trouble.(37:25) Yeah. (37:26) But would you say that there will always be an agenda, (37:30) right? (37:30) Regardless of what the agenda is, (37:32) it could be just simple survival of the human race, (37:35) right? (37:35) That's an agenda on its own. (37:37) Absolutely.(37:38) But you're, (37:39) obviously yours is more like the profit mongering and all that other stuff of, (37:42) you know, (37:43) how to manipulate the system. (37:45) Right. (37:45) We're thinking about our current system, (37:47) the way it is being put on to Mars instead of getting better as a, (37:52) as a species.(37:55) Philosophically, (37:56) compassionately, (37:57) and consciously before we go to Mars. (37:59) I do not have the brain capacity to imagine what it would need to look like (38:05) where we could do it responsibly because everybody has that agenda. (38:11) And the agenda is what gets us into trouble.(38:14) So we have to decide either we go and the consequences be damned or we don't (38:20) go and we protect the rest of the universe from our missteps. (38:27) So, (38:28) so from your perspective, (38:29) the human race is a viral destructive species that if allowed to escape, (38:35) the earth will destroy the universe. (38:37) Yes.(38:40) You're laughing like you think I'm kidding. (38:42) And what's messed up is that his microphone's on mute and he, (38:47) you picked up his laugh on my mic. (38:49) That's how loud it was.(38:51) I'm just going to say Trista, (38:53) don't get me wrong. (38:53) Like deep down, (38:55) it sounds like our podcast is very, (38:57) is trying to be uplifting and inspirational, (38:58) but I'm a fucking nihilist to the core. (39:01) Like I even tweeted that yesterday.(39:04) I think I included Chris in the tweet. (39:06) It was like, (39:06) I'm a nihilist watch us because we want everything to burn. (39:09) But are you kind of looking at humanity as a nihilistic thing, (39:14) Trista, (39:15) or is it, (39:15) or do you still have hope? (39:16) I mean, (39:16) is there hope for you? (39:18) Yes, (39:18) of course there's hope.(39:19) Okay. (39:19) Because we have got, (39:20) we have improved in general, (39:22) right? (39:23) Absolutely. (39:24) But we shoot people who are trying to make things better.(39:28) Right. (39:29) You know, (39:30) we, (39:30) we aren't trustworthy to do the right thing as a society. (39:35) But you're ascribing to the entire population, (39:39) the actions of the worst individuals.(39:41) No, (39:42) I'm saying the people in charge who are money driven, (39:45) who are politically driven, (39:47) those are the people that are going to be making the decisions. (39:50) And some of those are the worst individuals. (39:51) What I'm saying that it is possible that the good motives gain the upper hand (39:57) and that it can be run in a, (40:00) a ultimately, (40:04) right-minded, (40:06) productive, (40:06) and careful approach.(40:08) And what I'm saying is one, (40:10) we would screw it up without even realizing it and say, (40:12) oh, (40:13) sorry. (40:14) We didn't mean it to come out like this. (40:16) We had no idea what was going to happen.(40:18) And that we. (40:21) But, (40:21) but if we never experiment, (40:23) we never learn. (40:24) And so if we move to Mars and find mistakes we made there, (40:29) we learn how to avoid those mistakes on the next place.(40:32) Right. (40:34) And so we're just going to leave a trail of planets in our wake, (40:38) that it's too bad it didn't work out for that one. (40:41) But boy, (40:41) there's just so many more out there that we can try.(40:44) And every planet that we attack, (40:47) every planet that we invade, (40:50) conquer, (40:50) every planet that we expand to, (40:53) we run the risk of arresting what was naturally going to happen there. (40:58) If we let them alone to have their own experience. (41:03) That's a good point.(41:04) We're like the Borg. (41:05) Well, (41:06) hang on. (41:07) Okay.(41:07) Assimilation. (41:08) No, (41:08) we're not like the Borg because eventually in Trista's universal world that (41:13) she's describing, (41:14) we're going to run into some bad mother truckers and they're going to (41:19) trace us back to our little planet and then peace out. (41:22) And who says they have.(41:23) And if we have effectively diversified the location, (41:26) the home planet of our species, (41:28) we have a better chance of surviving and attacking. (41:30) That is true. (41:31) But I also think that we're also then thinned out in two places and can be (41:34) attacked easier.(41:35) Oh, (41:36) look at that. (41:37) I mean, (41:37) I think at the bottom line, (41:40) you know, (41:41) Russell, (41:41) you're about expansion and survival, (41:43) which is the human races, (41:46) you know, (41:47) goal ultimately. (41:49) And I'm about, (41:50) we need to learn how to treat each other.(41:54) And we need to learn how to be responsible for our actions. (41:58) And we are not currently, (42:00) but I'm not, (42:00) but I'm not against saying that is also one of our goals and the, (42:04) the, (42:05) you know, (42:05) a effective, (42:07) you know, (42:07) self-sufficient colony on Mars is, (42:10) you know, (42:11) decades or hundreds of years away. (42:14) And, (42:14) and so to think that, (42:15) you know, (42:16) we're going to just throw a switch and, (42:18) you know, (42:18) have a whole bunch of people just show up there and take over.(42:21) It's not going to be that easy. (42:23) And so it's going to be a long process and it's going to give us plenty of (42:26) opportunities to learn how to do it. (42:28) Right.(42:30) At the potential detriment of anything that could have been created there. (42:34) We just left them alone. (42:37) Okay.(42:37) So Trista, (42:38) if you had to establish a Mars committee of five people to decide (42:45) whether this trip is a go or no go, (42:47) would you be like a Buddhist monk? (42:49) Joe Rogan. (42:50) Not Joe Rogan. (42:51) No, (42:51) come on.(42:52) No, (42:52) shut the fuck up. (42:55) Okay. (42:55) A Buddhist monk say Keanu Reeves.(42:59) No, (43:00) I want Ted, (43:01) not bill or whatever. (43:02) The other head, (43:02) Theodore Logan. (43:05) So that's two is Keanu Reeves.(43:07) Say like a six year old little girl from Iowa. (43:10) Who's just the most innocent little creature with these little peak (43:14) tails. (43:16) And then I don't know the other two.(43:17) So I think Iowa is one of those. (43:19) Don't take our guns. (43:21) Okay.(43:22) Then maybe not Iowa. (43:23) Fuck. (43:24) I'm trying.(43:24) I'm trying. (43:25) I'm trying here, (43:26) girl. (43:26) Okay.(43:26) I know. (43:27) I know. (43:27) Oprah.(43:28) What about Oprah? (43:29) Definitely not Oprah. (43:30) Okay, (43:32) hold on. (43:33) We are going to have a conversation offline about Oprah.(43:35) I don't want to, (43:36) I don't want to slander too much cause we, (43:38) we might get a cease and desist from the last one. (43:41) We will not get a cease. (43:43) No, (43:43) we won't.(43:43) So there's three. (43:44) So who, (43:44) what other two people, (43:46) obviously I can't do a priest because I can't. (43:49) Um, (43:49) I wouldn't think a priest would be a good idea anyway.(43:52) I would love to have somebody who else is, (43:54) who else is like pure of heart and, (43:57) and is about love and kindness and, (44:00) and hope and generosity. (44:03) Eckhart Tolle. (44:05) Okay.(44:05) That's number four. (44:06) But he only lives in the now. (44:07) He doesn't actually plan.(44:09) He can't, (44:10) he can't get to Mars cause he's living in the now all the time. (44:13) He wants the best human race, (44:15) right? (44:15) Yeah. (44:15) But he wants the best possible human race.(44:18) I don't disagree with that. (44:19) I was just making a joke about living in the now. (44:23) You go look back at the thingy.(44:25) I laughed. (44:26) Who's number five. (44:26) Oh, (44:27) I do see a little bit of a, (44:28) yeah, (44:29) we need the tiebreaker, (44:30) right? (44:31) On the Trista council of Mars.(44:35) Well, (44:36) nobody on this, (44:36) this council is any kind of scientist. (44:39) It's actually going to review the facts and details to see. (44:42) But Trista isn't a scientific argument, (44:44) right? (44:44) This is an emotional.(44:45) I don't think we should exclude the science. (44:48) See, (44:48) because you're looking at a committee of people. (44:50) It's not one person.(44:52) But there's two things here. (44:53) Two things. (44:53) One, (44:53) it's not one person.(44:53) Two things here, (44:54) right? (44:54) One is the philosophy of actually going. (44:58) And then the other parts, (44:59) the logistics of going. (45:00) Which is my next question.(45:01) These are two very different things. (45:02) We haven't even gotten to logistics yet. (45:04) And that's the one I definitely want to talk about, (45:05) but I, (45:06) I'm really interested in that philosophy because we have four very different (45:10) philosophies on this, (45:11) I think.(45:11) That's right. (45:11) And there's only four of us on this. (45:13) Yeah.(45:14) That's deep. (45:15) I'm good at math. (45:17) The math.(45:18) May I ask this question? (45:19) No, (45:20) we need the fifth person on the committee. (45:22) We do. (45:22) Because we do need a tiebreaker.(45:23) Shit. (45:25) Oh no, (45:25) Bill Gates. (45:26) He can give vaccines to the microbes.(45:29) No, (45:30) I'm not a fan of Bill Gates. (45:31) I know it's a joke. (45:32) Guys, (45:34) we shit on everyone on this thing.(45:36) It's a little time vaccine. (45:38) It's a micro vaccine. (45:39) So philosophically speaking then, (45:42) if I may, (45:42) Russell, (45:42) I'm going to come back to you real quickly, (45:44) because philosophically speaking, (45:47) is it, (45:47) is, (45:48) is Mars the, (45:49) the thought for you because of the atmosphere and the thought that we could (45:51) possibly terraform? (45:52) Because the moon has one sixth the gravity, (45:56) and we could probably launch from there and do a lot more things on the (45:59) moon, (45:59) for example, (46:00) that is not on the earth.(46:02) Then as, (46:03) as well as we could on Mars. (46:05) Well, (46:05) as I understand it, (46:06) the, (46:07) the low gravity on the moon would make it more difficult for humans to (46:11) survive any extended period of time because, (46:14) you know, (46:14) their body needs some gravity just to, (46:16) just to be healthy. (46:18) Good point.(46:18) But would not generations adapt to that as, (46:21) as evolution happens, (46:22) right? (46:22) We could, (46:23) we couldn't come back to earth, (46:25) for example, (46:25) but we could stay people, (46:26) a generation of people who couldn't return to earth. (46:28) Correct. (46:29) Mars.(46:29) I, (46:30) as I understand it, (46:31) it's only 38%. (46:32) It's only 38% of earth. (46:34) So it's about a third.(46:35) Yeah. (46:35) It's lower gravity, (46:36) but I think that is probably in a zone of where, (46:39) you know, (46:40) humans might be able to be, (46:41) be adapting. (46:42) Okay.(46:43) But I mean, (46:43) that's one of the things they got to figure out. (46:45) Maybe they have to sleep in a centrifuge to make sure their bones don't (46:50) weaken there or something like that. (46:52) It's a very good point.(46:53) That's weird. (46:54) but I guess I'm, (46:55) I'm talking philosophically, (46:56) right? (46:56) Let's just talk philosophically. (46:58) Is it, (46:58) is it more, (46:59) you added some of the logistics to it, (47:00) right? (47:00) The gravity portion.(47:02) And there is a little bit more of a, (47:04) I guess, (47:05) a confidence that we can terraform Mars because of, (47:08) it already has a thin, (47:09) even though it's a thin atmosphere, (47:10) there is some. (47:12) Well, (47:12) I have all kinds of ideas what they could do. (47:14) They could, (47:15) you know, (47:16) land some comments on it to bring more, (47:19) more water to the surface.(47:21) Sure. (47:22) They could, (47:22) there's a, (47:22) somebody had a study on building a magnetic shield that would orbit (47:27) between the sun and Mars to reduce the solar wind so that it would (47:32) keep more of its atmosphere. (47:34) And, (47:34) you know, (47:35) all kinds of things they could do to, (47:36) to start the process of terraforming and making it warmer, (47:39) making it more habitable for those poor microbes who have frozen the (47:41) poles for millions of years.(47:43) Did you say land a comment on it? (47:47) Yeah. (47:49) You steer a comment. (47:50) How do you capture a comment and then slow it down? (47:55) No, (47:55) you slam it into the.(47:57) Yeah. (47:57) You slam it. (47:57) Direct them.(47:58) Okay. (47:58) So you're, (47:59) I was like, (48:01) slamming things. (48:05) I literally, (48:06) in my head, (48:09) crawling out of your skin right now.(48:11) I love, (48:12) I pictured somehow, (48:14) you know, (48:14) like some space shuttles flying next to the comment and then directing (48:19) it and landing it on the surface. (48:20) No, (48:20) no. (48:20) We're talking about violent impact.(48:22) Big crater. (48:24) Big crater. (48:25) What? (48:25) So why would you do that? (48:28) Okay.(48:29) Yeah. (48:29) Because asteroids and comets are just basically ice. (48:33) Yeah.(48:33) Okay. (48:33) Now I understand. (48:34) Yeah.(48:34) You'd actually add resources. (48:36) Yeah. (48:36) No.(48:36) Okay. (48:36) Now. (48:38) So the fit.(48:39) So right now we're talking philosophical. (48:41) I think we've kind of agreed that we're all just going to disagree (48:44) philosophically. (48:46) Yes.(48:47) So let's go past that. (48:48) Let's go to the logistics, (48:49) because I think we can talk a little bit more, (48:52) probably less emotional about. (48:54) And this is where Trista leaves the room.(48:56) No. (48:57) But Trista. (48:58) She doesn't give a crap.(49:00) So Trista. (49:01) Thank you for really getting me. (49:03) Thank you.(49:03) Have a great day. (49:04) Peace out. (49:05) Bye.(49:05) Bye everybody. (49:06) No. (49:06) Trista, (49:07) if you, (49:08) if you got to a point where you felt how humanity was going to be (49:12) responsible enough, (49:13) because let's be honest, (49:14) the truth, (49:15) the true statement is.(49:16) You got, (49:17) you're making an omelet. (49:18) You got to break some eggs. (49:18) That happens every, (49:19) any, (49:20) any Prague, (49:21) any progress, (49:21) any advancement.(49:23) There is a detriment to the current system, (49:25) right? (49:26) Whatever's in place. (49:27) So that is to say, (49:29) but isn't that just an effect of the cause of trying to improve (49:32) things, (49:32) right? (49:33) Yes. (49:35) So we just want to minimize that.(49:39) Is, (49:39) is your point? (49:40) We don't, (49:40) or we want to eliminate it completely, (49:42) but could we, (49:43) can we be at least honest and say that we probably couldn't eliminate (49:45) every. (49:46) We couldn't eliminate it completely. (49:48) And, (49:49) you know, (49:49) I, (49:50) I am going to come back to the philosophy and say the people who make (49:52) the decisions, (49:54) They're going to make or break the whole process.(49:58) Well, (49:58) humans are fallible. (49:59) So, (50:00) so let me ask one final. (50:02) Halfway philosophical question.(50:03) Then we'll, (50:04) we'll get off that crap. (50:05) So. (50:07) As much as I like that crap, (50:09) since I'm the sensitive, (50:10) emotional dude.(50:12) We should go start our own podcast. (50:15) Not talk about anything logical, (50:17) just philosophical and emotional. (50:23) I hate being a Virgo.(50:25) It's the freaking worst. (50:28) I'm like, (50:29) I got to take a nap. (50:31) Exhausted.(50:32) So the question is Trista. (50:35) If this is a horrible hypothetical question and you don't have to (50:39) answer it. (50:39) If, (50:41) if the, (50:42) if the planet decays in a certain way, (50:44) Or there's an asteroid coming in, (50:46) say a thousand years or 2000 or a million.(50:48) And. (50:49) Okay. (50:49) This is the deal, (50:50) everybody.(50:51) If we don't. (50:52) Leave weird. (50:54) The human race is over.(50:55) And we have to go to Mars. (50:57) At that point. (50:58) Would you be on board? (51:05) No.(51:06) So you, (51:07) do you, (51:07) it'll be okay with. (51:09) The end of the human race. (51:13) The, (51:14) so there was no state.(51:16) The survival of the species is gone. (51:21) I. (51:24) Don't think survival is a reason to kill something else. (51:31) So the tiger that's going after the gazelle.(51:34) Shouldn't kill the gazelle. (51:36) I don't watch those. (51:37) But that's not that.(51:40) That the tiger is trying to eat dinner. (51:43) Right. (51:43) I mean, (51:44) we're not going to Mars.(51:45) We have. (51:48) You guys swear on here, (51:49) right? (51:50) Fuck. (51:50) Yeah.(51:51) We have fucked up our planet so badly. (51:54) That we can't live here anymore. (51:57) So we now have to go find another planet.(52:00) We can start, (52:00) but that's not, (52:01) that's not, (52:01) that's not necessarily. (52:04) The hypothetical he proposes is that. (52:07) In order to eat dinner, (52:08) we got to go off the planet.(52:09) No, (52:10) he didn't know to survive. (52:11) Yeah. (52:12) Well, (52:12) but, (52:13) but the, (52:13) you know, (52:14) the, (52:14) the tiger's got to eat dinner to survive, (52:16) but that's not the question.(52:19) The question was, (52:21) if an asteroid is coming, (52:23) I mean, (52:23) if an asteroid is coming, (52:24) frankly, (52:24) it's too late. (52:26) Right. (52:27) Well, (52:27) let's say, (52:27) well, (52:28) but in a couple, (52:29) in a couple hundred years, (52:31) a couple hundred years, (52:33) you know, (52:33) we're going to keeping score.(52:35) This was just a conversation. (52:37) Oh yeah. (52:37) I'm sorry.(52:38) Minus one point. (52:39) One demerit for Russell. (52:41) I love how Mark stole my demerit system from three podcasts ago.(52:44) High five. (52:46) It was, (52:47) was it? (52:48) No, (52:48) it was from my, (52:49) when I did my astrological chart. (52:52) Yeah.(52:53) I had my chart read for an hour. (52:54) That was horrible. (52:55) I'm not recovered from that yet.(52:57) Thanks a lot. (52:58) Jerk. (53:00) Well, (53:00) your Saturn is up Uranus.(53:02) No, (53:02) that sounds fucking painful. (53:04) So, (53:06) I guess that's the question is that if, (53:09) if the survival of the species depends upon going to another planet, (53:15) where's the deal breaker, (53:16) you know, (53:18) but Russell's point is valid. (53:19) The tiger's trying to get dinner to survive.(53:23) So a, (53:24) B, (53:24) C, (53:25) right? (53:25) What is unique about humanity is we do have that ability to look forward. (53:30) And I think not to take Russell's side because I'm not Russell, (53:34) not at all, (53:34) not even, (53:35) but, (53:36) but to, (53:37) to take that point, (53:39) I believe Russell, (53:40) you're just saying that eventually the sun's going to die. (53:43) Eventually things are going to go away.(53:45) So we know this is going to happen. (53:47) So we are pro actively looking for dinner. (53:51) Yeah, (53:52) absolutely.(53:53) Versus a tiger. (53:55) Who's belly's hungry and goes, (53:56) I need to look for dinner now because they don't have that ability to look ahead. (53:59) It's not like, (54:00) it's not like they're hoarding their, (54:01) their little, (54:02) they're not going, (54:03) Hey, (54:03) let me get this little guy and put him in a little pen and, (54:05) and just eat them whenever I want.(54:06) Right. (54:06) Cause that's completely instinctual. (54:08) I, (54:09) and I understand the analogy.(54:10) We have a little forethought. (54:11) Right. (54:11) But we also don't know, (54:13) like, (54:13) yeah, (54:14) we've got X billions of years until the sun goes supernova.(54:17) Right. (54:17) Get that. (54:18) However, (54:18) before then, (54:20) a myriad of things could happen that could end our race, (54:24) our planet and all the species on it.(54:27) Well, (54:27) we have no, (54:28) no, (54:29) we don't know those. (54:30) We don't. (54:31) Correct.(54:31) Those are unknowns. (54:32) We do know that this thing's going to happen at some point. (54:35) Correct.(54:36) But I think that we can only prepare for, (54:38) you know, (54:39) contingencies for unknown, (54:40) but prepare for, (54:41) yes, (54:42) of course. (54:43) But I imagine in the next hundreds of years, (54:46) our technology will be massively more advanced to the point where we will be (54:52) able to see asteroids coming and to see other things to give us much more time (54:58) to be prepared and make decisions like, (55:00) well, (55:00) shit, (55:01) we got to go to Mars. (55:02) You know, (55:03) uh, (55:03) if we want to survive, (55:04) this is what we have to do.(55:07) Philosophically speaking. (55:08) No, (55:09) here's the point that I just thought about is this too, (55:11) is we tend to love to eat the candy bar and throw the wrapper on the ground (55:16) behind us. (55:17) I think that's what Trista's point is.(55:19) Correct. (55:20) Yeah. (55:20) Trista.(55:21) We don't, (55:21) we don't have responsibility for the consequences of our actions. (55:23) But not everybody, (55:24) not everybody does that. (55:26) Not everybody.(55:26) And I agree with you, (55:27) Russell, (55:27) but let's, (55:28) but let's look at the, (55:29) let's look at humanities, (55:32) philosophical view, (55:33) right? (55:33) We, (55:34) we talk about destroying the earth and we're trying to protect it. (55:37) Right. (55:37) When we have, (55:39) it seems to me in some point, (55:41) some part of the Mars thing is a smoke screen.(55:43) Cause it's like, (55:43) well, (55:44) we're just going to go to another planet to shit on. (55:46) We don't have to worry about correcting things here. (55:48) Cause we're moving on.(55:49) And a lot of people will see that as like, (55:52) oh, (55:53) well, (55:53) I guess we don't have to worry about what we're doing to the earth because (55:56) we're building a second earth. (55:58) Russell doesn't think there's anything wrong with what we're doing to the (56:00) earth. (56:00) That's not correct.(56:01) I think that we have made a lot of progress and we're doing a much better (56:06) job of managing the plant than we did in the past. (56:10) And we have room for improvement and we need to continue that. (56:14) And for, (56:15) you know, (56:15) people to, (56:16) I agree.(56:16) Some people might say, (56:17) oh, (56:17) if we're going to Mars, (56:18) don't you worry about the earth? (56:19) But that's very short sighted. (56:21) And because of how long it will take to establish a, (56:24) you know, (56:25) fully self-sufficient colony on Mars, (56:27) you know, (56:28) I think it's unrealistic to think that we can just stop worrying about the (56:30) earth until we have Mars, (56:31) because it's going to be so much work and so much time to get a Mars colony (56:36) going that it's, (56:38) you know, (56:38) not something that is any kind of excuse to say, (56:42) I don't need to worry about, (56:42) you know, (56:43) our home planet. (56:44) So the question is this, (56:46) do you think that more than the majority of people are long-sighted or (56:51) short-sighted? (56:51) Cause it's as a nihilist and I'm not really, (56:55) I just mess around with that term, (56:56) but I would like to think that we are much more short-sighted as a whole (57:02) than individuals are or possible altruistic groups and things like that.(57:07) Well, (57:07) I would say that the modern human is much more short-sighted than, (57:13) you know, (57:13) than the historical human because we've become so accustomed to instant (57:19) gratification. (57:21) Microwave generation, (57:21) right? (57:22) Yeah. (57:22) Microwave generation, (57:23) you know, (57:24) you know, (57:24) little MTV, (57:25) you know, (57:26) short snippets.(57:27) But isn't that the concern? (57:28) Because we're going to Mars and now we're like, (57:30) fuck it. (57:31) Fuck earth. (57:32) Who cares? (57:32) We're going to Mars anyway.(57:34) Like they don't see the time that, (57:35) you know, (57:36) it takes. (57:37) Does that make sense? (57:37) Do you know what I'm saying? (57:38) I guess my point on that. (57:40) Well, (57:40) but we still do long-term plans.(57:42) We build highways and bridges and, (57:45) you know, (57:45) there are projects that take, (57:46) you know, (57:46) 15, (57:47) 20 years to complete. (57:48) And so, (57:48) you know, (57:49) the idea of something that is going to take a while to be done is still (57:53) not beyond, (57:54) you know, (57:54) the, (57:54) the, (57:55) the normal operations of what we're doing today. (57:59) Yeah.(57:59) I'm agreeing that. (58:00) Yeah. (58:00) A lot of people are a little bit, (58:03) you know, (58:04) short-sighted in their, (58:05) you know, (58:06) daily expectations, (58:07) but simply because they're spoiled because.(58:10) Or distracted too. (58:11) Right. (58:11) I mean, (58:11) we're being pulled.(58:12) We're having the wool pulled over our eyes in a lot of different ways. (58:15) Also. (58:16) Absolutely.(58:18) And we're in a society, (58:19) at least here in the U S where it's so hard to make ends meet. (58:24) So hard to pay your bills and keep your job and make sure you don't lose (58:27) your house and keep your car. (58:29) So it doesn't break down that it's like, (58:31) there's no more space to transform society.(58:38) That's a good point too. (58:40) It's kind of. (58:41) See, (58:41) I have the reverse perspective on that because I think.(58:45) I think it's because you are who you are. (58:47) Right. (58:52) Maybe I'm looking anybody on here.(58:53) Single. (58:55) Whoa. (58:56) Hey, (58:57) look, (58:57) isn't, (58:57) but don't you guys compliment each other and not, (59:00) Oh, (59:00) you look so nice today.(59:02) You compliment each other. (59:04) It's the yin and the yang. (59:07) We all have love here.(59:09) So, (59:10) so Phil, (59:10) once again, (59:11) all I'm, (59:12) all I'm merely saying is it's my concern. (59:14) If I were to talk on the philosophical side, (59:16) it's my concern that the second. (59:18) Humans think that there's another answer that they stop thinking about the (59:22) problems that we have.(59:23) Like, (59:24) it's almost like the next shiny metal object, (59:26) of course, (59:26) but that's back to some may, (59:28) but if, (59:29) if that's not what everyone does, (59:31) if not, (59:31) it's not what the, (59:32) the, (59:32) the leadership and consensus is it's still okay. (59:36) Cause you know, (59:37) yeah, (59:37) somebody, (59:38) even the leadership isn't in agreement, (59:40) but somebody throws a candy wrapper behind them. (59:41) And yeah, (59:42) that that's a mistake, (59:43) but it doesn't mean that as a whole, (59:46) the, (59:46) the species is condemned because one of them is a literate.(59:50) Not at all. (59:51) I'm certainly not stating that please. (59:53) I hope that I'm not saying that about the human human race.(59:56) So what percentage of the people don't put their candy bar in the trash (1:00:00) can? (1:00:01) Yeah. (1:00:02) Who, (1:00:02) who doesn't throw their cigarette butts out the window? (1:00:04) Well, (1:00:05) I don't, (1:00:05) I guess that's the question. (1:00:06) I know we don't smoke anymore, (1:00:07) but that's probably the best one, (1:00:09) right? (1:00:09) Would that be the analogy? (1:00:10) Yeah.(1:00:10) If you've ever, (1:00:11) if you've ever done any work on the side of the road, (1:00:13) picking up the garbage, (1:00:13) that's most of what it is. (1:00:15) Yeah. (1:00:16) So, (1:00:16) so who's not doing that and how many, (1:00:18) how large is that percentage to Chris's point? (1:00:22) I mean, (1:00:22) it's probably a pretty large percentage that aren't, (1:00:25) although I will say I was at a, (1:00:27) like a four way intersection and a woman was making a left or right.(1:00:34) And on her way on the turn, (1:00:36) she threw out a McDonald's bag, (1:00:40) but she didn't just throw it out. (1:00:41) She actually like dumped the whole bag and then threw it on the ground. (1:00:45) It was like a McDonald's bag worth of garbage that she just dumped on the (1:00:49) road in front of everybody else sitting at the red light.(1:00:52) I couldn't believe it. (1:00:52) Yeah. (1:00:52) But I think she's the exception.(1:00:54) I would say, (1:00:54) Oh, (1:00:55) she's the exception. (1:00:55) I would say, (1:00:56) but she still is a human who lives on this. (1:00:58) I would say 70, (1:00:59) 80% of people don't do stuff like that.(1:01:01) Wait a minute. (1:01:02) Oh my God. (1:01:03) I'm a genius.(1:01:04) This is what we do. (1:01:05) I had, (1:01:05) this is it. (1:01:06) Put me in charge.(1:01:07) We round up all the McDonald's trash dump people and send their asses to (1:01:12) Mars. (1:01:14) This planet. (1:01:16) High five me.(1:01:19) I have a better idea. (1:01:21) Because we have people like that in society. (1:01:23) And now you want to send all.(1:01:25) But you're, (1:01:25) but you're worried about how to sign again. (1:01:27) I like this because. (1:01:29) That's just for the logistics.(1:01:30) And send the assholes to Mars. (1:01:33) No, (1:01:33) because then we've taken the opportunity to evolve. (1:01:37) You know, (1:01:37) they didn't try this.(1:01:38) They did try this and they ended up with Australia. (1:01:40) So you gotta be careful. (1:01:41) Yes.(1:01:42) Well, (1:01:42) there was a comedian who said, (1:01:43) why don't we see if tinfoil works as an astronaut suit? (1:01:46) Just take home with people, (1:01:47) throw some Reynolds wrap around them and just shoot them up there and see (1:01:50) what happens. (1:01:51) Is that Russia? (1:01:51) Not the worst thing. (1:01:52) I know.(1:01:53) Totally kidding everybody. (1:01:55) Totally kidding. (1:01:56) But, (1:01:56) but yeah, (1:01:57) they're, (1:01:57) they're very good points here.(1:01:58) The, (1:01:59) the thing about that is like, (1:02:01) do you think it's 70, (1:02:02) 80% that, (1:02:03) that are non cigarette? (1:02:05) Like if I were smoking, (1:02:06) do you think 70% didn't throw their cigarette butts out of the window? (1:02:09) I feel like that's a low number. (1:02:12) I at least half, (1:02:13) I would say half. (1:02:15) All right.(1:02:15) Well, (1:02:15) I, (1:02:17) I, (1:02:17) I guess, (1:02:18) you know, (1:02:18) not being a smoker. (1:02:19) I don't, (1:02:20) I don't know. (1:02:20) I mean, (1:02:21) I think you're probably right.(1:02:22) Like, (1:02:22) I don't recall being in a car that has a used an ashtray that's been used (1:02:30) or an airplane. (1:02:31) In fact, (1:02:32) they don't even make, (1:02:32) they only make ashtrays in cars anymore. (1:02:34) Right.(1:02:35) It's crazy, (1:02:35) right? (1:02:36) It's like an option. (1:02:37) So you're probably right. (1:02:38) Most smokers probably do that, (1:02:40) but with respect, (1:02:41) respect to the rest of the garbage, (1:02:43) which is the more unsightly stuff, (1:02:46) all those cigarette butts, (1:02:47) they don't ever rot.(1:02:48) They're, (1:02:48) they're fiberglass. (1:02:49) So they, (1:02:49) they're, (1:02:50) they're, (1:02:50) they're, (1:02:50) they just don't go away. (1:02:52) Yeah.(1:02:52) So Russell picks them up, (1:02:54) but I would say that your group. (1:02:55) Oh, (1:02:55) sorry. (1:02:55) Go ahead.(1:02:56) Why was it? (1:02:57) I mean, (1:02:57) the, (1:02:57) the people who are, (1:03:00) you know, (1:03:00) actually actively concerned about not ruining their environment, (1:03:03) I think is the large majority of the population. (1:03:06) I think, (1:03:06) you know, (1:03:06) I think that we don't want to ruin it as long as it's not inconvenient to (1:03:10) us. (1:03:11) Yeah.(1:03:11) Yeah. (1:03:11) I think as well. (1:03:13) Yeah.(1:03:13) I mean, (1:03:13) there's a, (1:03:14) there's a, (1:03:14) there's a varying scale. (1:03:16) The more, (1:03:17) you know, (1:03:17) the farther you have to walk to recycle something, (1:03:19) the, (1:03:20) the less likely you are to do it. (1:03:21) Right.(1:03:22) What's interesting about that too, (1:03:23) Russell. (1:03:24) where I don't want to put any recycling. (1:03:27) We're, (1:03:27) we're overflowing with it.(1:03:29) Yeah. (1:03:29) I mean, (1:03:29) we've got a trash Island. (1:03:30) That's all plastic.(1:03:32) Recycling. (1:03:32) They're saying it's too expensive. (1:03:34) It doesn't really work.(1:03:35) It's not making a difference. (1:03:36) There are places that you go. (1:03:37) You can't even recycle.(1:03:38) Now you're just supposed to throw it in the garbage. (1:03:40) That's why you make everything with hemp oil, (1:03:42) everybody, (1:03:43) but that's a whole other conversation. (1:03:45) I think we need to move on to the logistics.(1:03:46) So we've got the philosophical stuff. (1:03:49) I think, (1:03:49) I think we nailed that down. (1:03:50) Cause I don't know anything about the logistics of Mars.(1:03:53) So I would like to be educated. (1:03:55) Yes. (1:03:55) So Russell, (1:03:56) you want to study on this, (1:03:58) right? (1:03:58) Well, (1:03:58) I mean, (1:03:59) I've read, (1:04:00) wait a minute before we go there, (1:04:02) I just have to make a pause before we go there, (1:04:04) because I don't know who it was, (1:04:06) Mark.(1:04:07) Maybe it was you that asked who Russell's five people would be. (1:04:10) I am on the edge of my seat. (1:04:12) Oh, (1:04:13) Oh shit.(1:04:14) Go ahead. (1:04:14) So we are going to get Russell's five. (1:04:17) And then we'll move forward.(1:04:18) I mean, (1:04:19) there's really not much of a question. (1:04:21) It's pretty anybody in favor of doing it. (1:04:22) I'm going to put it on the list.(1:04:24) So Elon, (1:04:25) who do you find response, (1:04:26) but who would you, (1:04:27) who you feel responsible or that were, (1:04:30) no, (1:04:30) that's not what he said. (1:04:31) He said people who agree with him. (1:04:33) That's what he said.(1:04:34) Well, (1:04:35) agree with going, (1:04:36) I think is what I said, (1:04:37) but I think whether we go or not, (1:04:40) he wants them. (1:04:41) No, (1:04:41) because he said people who think we should go, (1:04:43) but he really means people who think we should go and do our best and be (1:04:47) sorry. (1:04:47) If we mess it up.(1:04:49) Right. (1:04:50) So are there five people on this planet? (1:04:52) I'm not going to, (1:04:53) is Elon one of them. (1:04:54) He's not going to dispute what I just said.(1:04:56) Yeah. (1:04:56) Elon is definitely one who wants to, (1:04:58) he wants to, (1:04:59) to, (1:04:59) to colonize Mars. (1:05:00) Yeah.(1:05:00) Cause it's only his rocket that he's selling to actually get there so that (1:05:04) he has no vested interest whatsoever. (1:05:06) Yeah. (1:05:07) Look, (1:05:07) trust me.(1:05:08) I like Elon. (1:05:08) Don't get me wrong. (1:05:09) I'm just saying like, (1:05:09) let's be honest, (1:05:10) it's his company.(1:05:11) That's going to get us there. (1:05:12) Right. (1:05:13) So he has a direct vested interest in Mars.(1:05:17) Yeah. (1:05:17) I mean, (1:05:17) definitely is, (1:05:17) is one of the pathways that could be pulled off. (1:05:20) I have no idea if what he's doing is going to work.(1:05:21) I mean, (1:05:21) he's got, (1:05:23) I think something of a, (1:05:25) a Hail Mary approach to it rather, (1:05:27) rather a, (1:05:28) you know, (1:05:29) did a, (1:05:30) this better work, (1:05:31) you know, (1:05:32) kind of, (1:05:32) kind of approach. (1:05:33) And so hopefully, (1:05:34) you know, (1:05:35) have you ever heard that story on his, (1:05:36) on his rockets? (1:05:38) So he was doing the test launches or the, (1:05:41) and he was on the last one that didn't work. (1:05:43) And he said, (1:05:43) if one more failed, (1:05:45) he, (1:05:45) they, (1:05:46) they were going to shut it down and they got that to land (1:05:50) vertically on the, (1:05:51) on the dock or whatever.(1:05:52) It's pretty interesting. (1:05:53) So now let's, (1:05:54) so we'll get to logistics. (1:05:55) So are we going to hold them to the fire? (1:05:59) Are we going to hold it to five names? (1:06:00) Yes.(1:06:01) All right, (1:06:01) Russell, (1:06:02) five names, (1:06:02) sir. (1:06:03) Jesus, (1:06:05) maybe Jesus is on the council. (1:06:06) Maybe, (1:06:07) maybe.(1:06:09) I mean, (1:06:10) I really, (1:06:10) I really hadn't thought of it. (1:06:11) I don't know what to do with five, (1:06:12) but yeah, (1:06:13) I mean, (1:06:13) there certainly are some, (1:06:14) some top NASA scientists. (1:06:16) I would definitely want somebody on there who is an expert at (1:06:21) detecting and reviewing the data and detecting it.(1:06:24) There, (1:06:24) there is any life there or that we're not going to do anything to (1:06:27) harm it. (1:06:27) If we find anything, (1:06:28) I definitely want, (1:06:29) you know, (1:06:30) some of the top scientists and that kind of stuff. (1:06:32) So at the core philosophically, (1:06:35) Tris is much more philosophical about the why you are just more about the (1:06:40) physical, (1:06:40) right? (1:06:40) Like evolution, (1:06:42) propagating the species, (1:06:44) survival, (1:06:45) protecting the species.(1:06:46) Yeah. (1:06:46) Protecting. (1:06:47) He didn't answer the question.(1:06:49) Mark, (1:06:49) he's going to come up with five people later. (1:06:51) He said he didn't think about it. (1:06:52) We're not going to have data while he's thinking for five people, (1:06:54) about five people.(1:06:56) So Russell, (1:06:57) basically your committee is Elon Musk and the top NASA scientists. (1:07:03) Correct? (1:07:03) Basically. (1:07:04) Yep.(1:07:05) And Keanu Reeves. (1:07:06) Okay. (1:07:08) Obviously dog from John Wick.(1:07:11) Yes. (1:07:11) All of yes. (1:07:12) And John Wick.(1:07:13) Okay, (1:07:13) perfect. (1:07:14) Okay. (1:07:14) Now we can move on to logistics.(1:07:15) We can move on. (1:07:18) But I will say, (1:07:19) Mark, (1:07:19) you, (1:07:20) I just wanted to say you really. (1:07:23) Encapsulated our relationship.(1:07:25) So perfectly in that one line that I'm philosophical and he's. (1:07:31) Pragmatic and logistical. (1:07:33) That is like our whole relationship.(1:07:35) You didn't know that Marcus, (1:07:36) a marriage counselor, (1:07:36) did you? (1:07:38) No. (1:07:39) Wait till you see my invoice in the mail. (1:07:41) Ladies and gentlemen, (1:07:42) it's like $54.(1:07:43) I'm going to give you guys a bill. (1:07:44) We're we're an hour in our hour. (1:07:46) It looks like our hours up.(1:07:50) Well, (1:07:50) to that point though, (1:07:51) too. (1:07:51) So Russell, (1:07:52) I, (1:07:53) I, (1:07:53) I don't know you from Adam, (1:07:55) but I know people very well. (1:07:56) And I can tell that you, (1:07:58) well, (1:07:58) I don't want to speak for you, (1:07:59) but my opinion of you is that you are a personally responsible.(1:08:04) You are personally responsible for everything you do. (1:08:07) You hold yourself accountable to everything. (1:08:09) Is that correct? (1:08:10) I would say so.(1:08:11) Yeah, (1:08:11) I think that's why you see that in others. (1:08:14) And my concern is I expect in others and I don't expect it. (1:08:19) That's a good point.(1:08:20) That's a good point. (1:08:21) My concern is the reality of that is that people have less of the personal accountability in today's philosophical world. (1:08:28) Then we may have had prior, (1:08:31) right? (1:08:31) It's kind of diminishing and maybe that's concerning to some point.(1:08:35) We've let them. (1:08:37) Oh, (1:08:37) yes. (1:08:38) Oh, (1:08:38) and we've let ourselves let them, (1:08:40) right? (1:08:40) Like we've let ourselves down.(1:08:43) Yeah. (1:08:44) The lack of accountability. (1:08:45) That's rampant, (1:08:46) right? (1:08:47) And, (1:08:47) and what's even worse is like, (1:08:48) it starts with personal accountability.(1:08:50) Well, (1:08:50) yeah, (1:08:51) it works outward to holding others. (1:08:52) Of course. (1:08:52) But like, (1:08:53) I mean, (1:08:53) just, (1:08:54) just in the workplace, (1:08:55) how.(1:08:56) The blame game. (1:08:57) Yeah. (1:08:57) Well, (1:08:57) like how managers and directors and senior directors don't hold their people accountable.(1:09:01) And that's a horrible example. (1:09:02) Let's move on to the logistics. (1:09:04) Logistics.(1:09:05) Go. (1:09:06) Who's, (1:09:07) who's going to talk about how we get there and how, (1:09:08) how this is going to work. (1:09:10) And I've got a lot of obstacles to throw in people's way.(1:09:14) Well, (1:09:14) the current plan that I've seen floated is that you send a bunch of robots ahead of time, (1:09:21) including machines that process the Martian atmosphere and make rocket fuel out of it. (1:09:26) So they, (1:09:27) they, (1:09:27) they suck the carbon dioxide out of what's there and use either a solar or a nuclear power source to break it down and make rocket fuel out of it. (1:09:37) There's actually a lab on the, (1:09:39) the, (1:09:40) the, (1:09:41) the Explorer that's on its way there right now.(1:09:44) That's got a, (1:09:46) a device to test that process to see if they can definitely do it. (1:09:50) And so once they set up this, (1:09:52) the kind of robot base that's there and has some fuel and supplies, (1:09:57) then you land the human astronauts to live in it. (1:10:00) And you continue to expand it by adding modules and so forth.(1:10:05) And so that's the short term plan for building a base. (1:10:08) What would the rocket fuel be used for? (1:10:10) Well, (1:10:10) the rocket fuel would be used to get back off Mars. (1:10:12) You get the humans back off.(1:10:14) Yeah. (1:10:15) So that way it's much cheaper to land on the planet. (1:10:19) You don't need to take all the return resources with you.(1:10:22) Okay. (1:10:22) And you can use the resources that are there. (1:10:25) Then you don't, (1:10:26) then to, (1:10:27) to come back home, (1:10:28) you don't need to carry it all with you on every single trip.(1:10:32) When you talk about resources, (1:10:33) are you looking, (1:10:35) Russell, (1:10:35) to keep the resources on Mars, (1:10:37) or are you looking for those resources possibly to even come back to Earth to be used? (1:10:41) Say, (1:10:42) for example, (1:10:42) they find this a mountain full of lithium, (1:10:45) right? (1:10:45) And we love that. (1:10:46) We love our batteries nowadays. (1:10:48) Well, (1:10:48) I think that would be more productive to be used in manufacturing on Mars for use on Mars.(1:10:56) They find stuff like that because of the cost of bringing it back. (1:11:00) If you were trying to find materials for use on Earth, (1:11:03) you'd be much better off finding an asteroid that doesn't have a gravity. (1:11:07) Well, (1:11:08) that's got a trap.(1:11:09) So you can more easily bring it from that asteroid back to Earth. (1:11:12) Yeah, (1:11:13) I agree with that. (1:11:13) And I actually had some thoughts about mining that, (1:11:16) that came into mind.(1:11:16) Cause obviously we're, (1:11:17) we're in a world that I know we have the quantum world, (1:11:19) but we do have Newtonian physics, (1:11:20) right? (1:11:21) Everything's in orbit and its mass are the same. (1:11:23) I'm curious if they mind and took mass off of a celestial body, (1:11:28) how that would affect its orbit. (1:11:30) If it would maybe be not mass enough to be flung away, (1:11:34) you almost like slingshot out.(1:11:35) It'll stay in the same orbit because it's going to be stable. (1:11:38) However, (1:11:39) all the planets are currently in a kind of a stasis where, (1:11:44) you know, (1:11:45) they're in a rhythm where the earth and the Mars and Jupiter all kind of go (1:11:49) in, (1:11:49) in a certain pattern. (1:11:50) Right.(1:11:51) If you dramatically change the mass of one of them, (1:11:54) you would mess up that balance there. (1:11:56) Yeah, (1:11:56) that balance. (1:11:57) Right.(1:11:57) That's my concern actually. (1:11:59) But that would not be something that would happen in the matter of hundreds (1:12:03) of years. (1:12:04) It would have something happen in terms of millions of years.(1:12:06) Right. (1:12:07) But the sun's not going to burn out for billions. (1:12:08) So we're already looking ahead, (1:12:10) right.(1:12:11) To the sun's extinction to keep the humans alive. (1:12:15) Right. (1:12:15) Or keep the species protected.(1:12:19) So that's the thing about mining, (1:12:21) like the moon. (1:12:21) I always thought that would change the gravity and that would affect some (1:12:24) kind of orbit with its tidal locking and all that stuff. (1:12:26) But I don't know if that's truth or not.(1:12:28) Well, (1:12:28) I mean, (1:12:29) there's all kinds of things that we've done that have screwed things up. (1:12:32) When they filled up the three gorges dam in China, (1:12:35) they had to adjust the atomic clocks on the GPS because it's ever so (1:12:39) slightly changed the rotation of the earth. (1:12:42) Wow.(1:12:42) The rotation of the earth and obviously elevation as well, (1:12:45) right? (1:12:45) We find that gravity plays a direct role in time, (1:12:48) time and time space. (1:12:50) Well, (1:12:51) the gravity is going to be the same because the water is still on the (1:12:53) earth because the distance from the earth to the moon is quite large. (1:12:57) But it's like an ice skater putting their arms out when they're spinning.(1:13:02) Yeah, (1:13:03) the centrifugal force. (1:13:04) Yeah. (1:13:04) Okay.(1:13:04) And, (1:13:05) or is that what it is? (1:13:06) A centrifugal, (1:13:06) right? (1:13:06) When you put your arms out. (1:13:07) Yeah. (1:13:08) Tighten it up.(1:13:08) When they fill up the reservoir, (1:13:10) more mass is higher up. (1:13:12) Right. (1:13:13) Yeah.(1:13:13) My thought was I was thinking elevation as much as I was mass. (1:13:16) So I apologize. (1:13:17) I guess it would be like building a mountain would have.(1:13:19) I thought you were a physicist. (1:13:21) I have physics. (1:13:22) I'm physics adjacent.(1:13:23) Okay. (1:13:25) Marriage counselor. (1:13:26) If you were to move a whole bunch of, (1:13:28) of, (1:13:29) of soil from the bottom of the oceans and build a giant mountain, (1:13:32) you could screw the earth up in terms of rotation and balance too.(1:13:36) Let's, (1:13:37) let's get on that. (1:13:38) I am a geologist. (1:13:41) Trisha's going to be opposed to that pro project, (1:13:43) but wait, (1:13:44) wait, (1:13:45) I'm geologist adjacent.(1:13:46) I know how to geologist and I have a Caterpillar. (1:13:49) So I I'm on it. (1:13:52) Or a Capitola, (1:13:53) however you want to say it.(1:13:54) So how long does it take to get to Mars? (1:13:57) Just under a year, (1:13:58) about seven to 10 months. (1:14:01) It depends. (1:14:01) You gotta, (1:14:01) you gotta do it at a certain time.(1:14:03) The rocket is just, (1:14:04) just launched last month. (1:14:05) Right. (1:14:06) It's going to get there January, (1:14:07) February, (1:14:07) seven months, (1:14:08) seven, (1:14:08) eight months.(1:14:08) Yeah. (1:14:09) It's less than a year for sure. (1:14:11) You got it.(1:14:11) There's only certain windows to do it because it's based on when the, (1:14:14) with the correct has to do with the orbit and the return trip is about two (1:14:17) years though. (1:14:18) It's a different, (1:14:18) it's, (1:14:18) it's right. (1:14:20) Similar.(1:14:21) I heard it was, (1:14:22) Oh, (1:14:22) I watched something yesterday, (1:14:23) but I'll, (1:14:24) I'll table that. (1:14:25) Well, (1:14:25) no, (1:14:26) you could essentially the same course you do with the two planets in (1:14:30) sync would work on a return trip. (1:14:32) It'd be about the same.(1:14:32) Wait though. (1:14:33) Right. (1:14:33) Long time.(1:14:34) Yes. (1:14:34) You'd be, (1:14:35) you'd be there for a year and a half until they line up again for them. (1:14:37) Okay.(1:14:38) Okay. (1:14:38) Right. (1:14:39) But you'd have to shoot it out so that the earth goes faster and catches (1:14:42) up to you.(1:14:43) Yeah. (1:14:43) The big concern is that it's difficult to, (1:14:47) to resupply people who are there. (1:14:49) That's why you need to make sure everything's there ahead of time.(1:14:51) Right. (1:14:51) So, (1:14:52) so you're talking about automation. (1:14:53) Now, (1:14:54) is it automation with a, (1:14:56) like a skeleton crew to make sure things are operating properly for (1:15:00) maintenance, (1:15:01) just to make sure that the machines are doing what we're telling them to (1:15:04) do and all that, (1:15:04) or how is it just automated? (1:15:07) Only remote control machines until they have enough of a base (1:15:11) established that can support the humans when they get there.(1:15:14) Cause you have to be sure. (1:15:15) Oh, (1:15:15) sorry. (1:15:16) Go ahead.(1:15:16) You need to be sure that humans can be supported for that time, (1:15:20) time period where they're waiting for that return window. (1:15:23) Or how far are we along to get that? (1:15:25) To make all those machines that can do all of those things. (1:15:29) Do you think? (1:15:31) Well, (1:15:31) I mean, (1:15:31) I kind of look, (1:15:32) look back to the, (1:15:33) the space program that went to the moon, (1:15:35) the technology is all there.(1:15:37) You know, (1:15:38) maybe something hasn't been optimized and gotten to the best version, (1:15:41) but it's just a matter of being committed to do it. (1:15:44) And so if the commitment to do it is there, (1:15:46) you know, (1:15:46) we could do it in the next few years. (1:15:49) But the shortcoming is the commitment is waffling, (1:15:53) you know, (1:15:53) like some presidents and NASA administrators are all for it.(1:15:57) And then the next one comes in and they change, (1:15:58) they change the budget and back off on it. (1:16:00) And so, (1:16:01) you know, (1:16:01) Mars has been, (1:16:02) you know, (1:16:02) on the, (1:16:03) the agenda and off the agenda for 30 years. (1:16:08) And, (1:16:08) you know, (1:16:08) that's, (1:16:09) what's nice about someone like Musk talking about it is that, (1:16:11) you know, (1:16:12) he's not about to get voted out of office and changes, (1:16:15) changes plan, (1:16:16) but he also doesn't have the resources of an entire us government.(1:16:19) And so. (1:16:20) Yeah. (1:16:20) And he could also have China give him just a penny more than the United (1:16:24) States does and change his mind altogether.(1:16:25) Right? (1:16:26) Like let's, (1:16:26) let's not kid ourselves. (1:16:27) It's there that possibility. (1:16:29) Yeah.(1:16:29) Russia or Russia or anybody. (1:16:31) Well, (1:16:31) China's China's the one that's up and coming. (1:16:33) Right.(1:16:33) Well, (1:16:34) besides the fact the guy can sell a million more trucks and he can go (1:16:37) there by himself if he wanted to. (1:16:39) Yeah. (1:16:39) Eventually that I don't see that as out of the possibility.(1:16:42) His big moneymaker is going to be the internet. (1:16:45) No, (1:16:45) but the Starlink project. (1:16:47) No, (1:16:47) but for sure.(1:16:48) And Nora link. (1:16:48) I mean, (1:16:49) his thing with Nora link is on like all of his endeavors are pretty (1:16:52) amazing. (1:16:54) Either Lex Luthor or Tony Stark.(1:16:57) I'm just not sure which. (1:16:59) We're, (1:16:59) we're not sure. (1:17:00) Or he's just like a, (1:17:02) yeah, (1:17:02) he's that.(1:17:03) I don't know. (1:17:05) One of the guys. (1:17:06) So the first human launch Russell would be how many people? (1:17:11) I don't know.(1:17:12) I'd have to see what they're talking about. (1:17:13) Probably a small crew. (1:17:15) Three or four.(1:17:16) I think. (1:17:16) I think you probably five or six. (1:17:19) You want, (1:17:19) you want some backup in case somebody has medical challenges or something (1:17:24) like that.(1:17:25) Well, (1:17:25) the dragon, (1:17:26) the dragon that launched the two gentlemen up earlier was said that they (1:17:29) have a capsule that can do four. (1:17:31) I think, (1:17:31) right. (1:17:32) Don't they have one for four? (1:17:33) So maybe they sent two up and then they got to live in.(1:17:35) They have to live in that spacecraft for seven months on the way there (1:17:39) and then live on Mars for a year and a half at least. (1:17:42) And then live on the spacecraft for another seven months back. (1:17:46) Something like that's poopy.(1:17:48) Yeah. (1:17:49) It's a commitment, (1:17:49) but there are lots of people who will sign up for that today. (1:17:52) I agree.(1:17:53) I don't disagree that there's somebody who's wanting to do that. (1:17:55) You know, (1:17:55) who doesn't want to do that is Trista. (1:18:00) She's like, (1:18:00) okay, (1:18:01) first of all, (1:18:01) there's microbes, (1:18:02) bro.(1:18:03) Second of all, (1:18:04) well, (1:18:04) the other thing is us bringing microbes there. (1:18:07) We can bring. (1:18:08) Don't forget our contamination.(1:18:10) That's right. (1:18:11) I want that to be the hashtag for this episode. (1:18:15) Hashtag microbes, (1:18:16) bro.(1:18:16) Hell yeah. (1:18:17) I think we're going to do that. (1:18:19) We're going to make that happen.(1:18:20) That's fantastic. (1:18:23) And, (1:18:23) and I, (1:18:24) I totally get the logistics of that. (1:18:25) See, (1:18:26) the thing for me is this, (1:18:27) I, (1:18:27) I agree.(1:18:29) About. (1:18:31) The, (1:18:31) I guess, (1:18:31) propagation species or continuing the human survival, (1:18:35) bro survival. (1:18:36) Yeah.(1:18:36) My point is. (1:18:37) It's all, (1:18:37) all the life in our planet. (1:18:38) We could, (1:18:39) could be the life.(1:18:41) I knew it. (1:18:42) I knew the, (1:18:42) I knew the arc was coming. (1:18:44) The arc.(1:18:45) I knew it. (1:18:45) Sons of bitches. (1:18:46) Hashtag arc.(1:18:47) I'm just kidding. (1:18:47) Hashtag arc. (1:18:49) What flood? (1:18:50) Hashtag what flood? (1:18:52) The deluge.(1:18:53) Hashtag. (1:18:54) It's drizzling. (1:18:55) Stop with the pound sign, (1:18:56) dude.(1:18:59) Okay. (1:19:00) You know, (1:19:00) I'm a phone guy. (1:19:01) It's a pound sign.(1:19:01) It's Trista's fault. (1:19:02) She's the one who said it. (1:19:03) I did.(1:19:04) But only once. (1:19:05) You sort of beat it to death. (1:19:06) Yeah.(1:19:07) Well, (1:19:07) that's what I do. (1:19:08) Yeah. (1:19:08) We beat a lot of things.(1:19:09) I take a dead horse and then I revive it with the paddle things. (1:19:13) And then you beat it to death. (1:19:14) And then beat it again.(1:19:15) Beat it to death again. (1:19:16) Yeah. (1:19:16) That's just mean.(1:19:17) That's just cruel. (1:19:18) See, (1:19:18) that is cruel. (1:19:19) See, (1:19:19) I should not go to Mars.(1:19:20) I agree with that. (1:19:21) Because I would just beat their horses. (1:19:22) You should just go to Australia with the other criminals.(1:19:24) You're off the committee. (1:19:24) You are off the committee. (1:19:25) I'm off the committee.(1:19:26) Oh no. (1:19:27) I, (1:19:27) thank you. (1:19:28) Thank you for not giving me that burden of having to live with that.(1:19:30) Now you're on a subcommittee. (1:19:32) And these, (1:19:33) these are the other things too. (1:19:34) Like things that I've been thinking about is I, (1:19:36) it's my opinion.(1:19:37) If we can terraform it, (1:19:39) if we really knew that we can make the atmosphere breathable for humans, (1:19:43) that's one thing. (1:19:44) I don't know if we're able to do that. (1:19:46) And I don't know if we'll ever get that technology, (1:19:49) but I do believe in the moon.(1:19:50) And the reason I think the moon is because of the lower, (1:19:52) like we're talking about launching and getting away in case something bad was (1:19:56) coming to earth. (1:19:56) For example, (1:19:58) it'd be hard to have an asteroid hit the earth and an ELE on the moon. (1:20:03) Unless you watch that one movie where it happened.(1:20:06) Is it? (1:20:07) Deep one or the Armageddon? (1:20:09) The Armageddon one. (1:20:10) Yeah. (1:20:11) Eric is really pro moon.(1:20:13) Yeah. (1:20:14) I'm really pro moon. (1:20:14) Cause I know there's nothing there and it's actually not, (1:20:17) it's actually a spaceship guys.(1:20:18) I don't know if you know that. (1:20:19) Except for the transformers. (1:20:20) But only if you put your tinfoil hat on, (1:20:22) only if you put your tinfoil hat on.(1:20:25) I mean, (1:20:26) I think, (1:20:26) I think the mean the moon has, (1:20:28) has value as a stepping point. (1:20:31) You know, (1:20:32) that if you were to put manufacturing on it, (1:20:35) it's much easier to put things in orbit in the moon and send them off on (1:20:38) larger, (1:20:38) longer trip would be to do it from earth surface. (1:20:41) Is it the resources that you think Mars has or that they do have that makes (1:20:45) it advantageous to be Mars over something like another, (1:20:48) just orbiting body of, (1:20:50) you know, (1:20:50) like the moon is Venus.(1:20:53) Yes. (1:20:54) And the thing that's cool about Venus is you could literally build floating (1:20:58) cities on Venus. (1:21:00) What? (1:21:01) It's such a thick, (1:21:02) it's like a thick because of the atmosphere.(1:21:05) Wow. (1:21:06) But it's like 8 gazillion degrees, (1:21:08) right? (1:21:09) Surface. (1:21:10) Yeah.(1:21:10) Well, (1:21:11) that's true. (1:21:13) But you're being irradiated constantly because of the closest of the cosmic (1:21:17) rays. (1:21:17) When you think you need another ratio for that too, (1:21:20) right? (1:21:20) Venus does not have, (1:21:22) because the earth is protected, (1:21:23) protects us with its magnetic field.(1:21:26) Yes. (1:21:27) And Mars doesn't have one. (1:21:28) And I think Venus doesn't either.(1:21:31) And so without the, (1:21:33) without those, (1:21:35) there's a lot, (1:21:36) a lot of, (1:21:37) you know, (1:21:38) you have to find contingencies to deal with that, (1:21:40) but, (1:21:41) you know, (1:21:41) maybe we'll find ways that we can survive better in those environments. (1:21:45) And maybe we'll simply evolve into a species that isn't as bothered by them (1:21:48) because there are already cockroaches and things that don't seem to bother, (1:21:50) bother at all about radiation. (1:21:52) Yeah.(1:21:53) The cockroach is obviously wired differently than we are. (1:21:55) I mean, (1:21:55) evolution for us would take, (1:21:57) we're not, (1:21:58) we don't have that exoskeleton. (1:22:00) We also have logic and thought.(1:22:01) But we also don't need our spleens anymore. (1:22:04) Oh yeah. (1:22:05) Or appendix.(1:22:06) Or tonsils. (1:22:08) That's true. (1:22:09) So we're already, (1:22:09) we've already, (1:22:10) we've already started to evolve.(1:22:11) We just don't, (1:22:12) we're not cockroaches yet. (1:22:13) It's also assuming we needed them in the first place. (1:22:16) Gross.(1:22:17) Let's go back to the logistics. (1:22:18) So are they, (1:22:20) these four people that are going to be in space forever, (1:22:23) are they going to grow food on Mars? (1:22:27) Definitely. (1:22:28) Yeah.(1:22:28) In their poop. (1:22:29) Didn't you see that movie? (1:22:30) Oh, (1:22:30) yeah. (1:22:31) With the poop.(1:22:32) Okay. (1:22:32) So. (1:22:33) Good soundtrack, (1:22:34) by the way.(1:22:35) It's a good soundtrack, (1:22:36) isn't it? (1:22:37) The Martian one. (1:22:38) Cause it's like through the tape of the person who was his (1:22:40) commanding officer at some point, (1:22:42) 1970s disco music. (1:22:43) Yeah.(1:22:44) It's guardians of the galaxy volume three. (1:22:46) Yeah. (1:22:49) Okay.(1:22:50) So. (1:22:52) Russell, (1:22:52) could you seriously answer the damn question? (1:22:57) So are they, (1:22:58) what's how are they going to live bro? (1:23:00) Well, (1:23:01) well, (1:23:01) you'd have to grow food in, (1:23:03) in greenhouses until you have more air pressure. (1:23:05) So like a, (1:23:06) like a sports dome, (1:23:08) you know, (1:23:09) to contain your farm.(1:23:10) So they're going to have a greenhouse. (1:23:13) Or multiple. (1:23:14) And so they're going to bring seeds with them for, (1:23:17) for, (1:23:17) for vegetables and.(1:23:20) Yeah. (1:23:21) Whatever. (1:23:22) I mean, (1:23:22) I'm certain they'll probably do some studies with robotics to (1:23:26) see what they can make grow.(1:23:27) Okay. (1:23:28) Forehand. (1:23:29) I do have a point about that.(1:23:31) One of my, (1:23:32) one of the things I came across with the soil issue. (1:23:35) Is the amount of per chlorates that are in the soil in Mars (1:23:39) amount of what it's chlorine. (1:23:41) It's basically chlorine in the soil.(1:23:42) So you can't grow shit. (1:23:43) Okay. (1:23:44) And you also need phosphorus too.(1:23:45) I would think, (1:23:46) right. (1:23:46) Cause that's what helped grow. (1:23:48) Well, (1:23:48) it has to be washed.(1:23:49) You have to wash the soil. (1:23:50) You have to make it habitable for, (1:23:51) for our planets. (1:23:53) I mean, (1:23:53) this is the first step in the terraforming.(1:23:55) I mean, (1:23:55) You have to terraform small little plot of land that you can see (1:23:59) and grow on it. (1:24:00) It also doesn't have any of the microbes and things that our soil has. (1:24:03) Cause you know, (1:24:04) Our plants and bacteria evolved together.(1:24:07) So you'd have to bring that to, (1:24:10) to, (1:24:10) you know, (1:24:10) start your, (1:24:11) your greenhouse. (1:24:12) Okay. (1:24:12) It's going to be easy.(1:24:14) But, (1:24:14) but how confident are you that it's successful though? (1:24:17) Because we had a little experiment called biosphere. (1:24:20) That we happen to live within 45 minutes of. (1:24:23) Yeah.(1:24:24) And we've driven by there multiple times. (1:24:26) I remember going by there and checking it out. (1:24:29) And that.(1:24:30) Yeah. (1:24:30) Apparently did not do well. (1:24:32) Yeah.(1:24:32) It didn't do well. (1:24:33) That's my, (1:24:33) one of the concerns for sure. (1:24:35) I guarantee you that they will have problems.(1:24:37) I guarantee you that they will have failures. (1:24:39) Absolutely. (1:24:40) Yeah.(1:24:41) That that's, (1:24:42) that has to be expected. (1:24:44) The question. (1:24:45) I love your conviction because you're steadfastly saying, (1:24:47) you know, (1:24:48) that this is going to be a show, (1:24:50) but you're still going forward.(1:24:51) Cause of the, (1:24:52) of what it, (1:24:52) what it will mean for humanity as a whole going forward. (1:24:56) Yeah. (1:24:58) I like that.(1:25:00) What, (1:25:00) how do you feel about that philosophy? (1:25:02) Trista. (1:25:03) I am completely in opposition of it. (1:25:06) Okay.(1:25:06) Regardless of the shit show NIS, (1:25:08) I still oppose it. (1:25:11) The shit show it NIS. (1:25:13) I, (1:25:13) that proves that I have a very valid stance.(1:25:20) I like, (1:25:21) I, (1:25:21) I look, (1:25:22) everyone's opinions are valid. (1:25:24) They're all valid. (1:25:25) Cause these are.(1:25:26) I'm willing to be married to this guy, (1:25:28) right? (1:25:30) Well, (1:25:30) coming from compassion is, (1:25:32) is just as, (1:25:33) is just as smart as coming from logic. (1:25:35) Cause it's a smart in a different way. (1:25:37) That's right.(1:25:38) It's an intelligence in a different way, (1:25:40) but okay. (1:25:41) So here's the question we had. (1:25:44) We go into the moon, (1:25:45) right? (1:25:46) The moon had an incident where they filled the capsule up with oxygen and (1:25:49) it blew up and killed what? (1:25:51) Three people in a fire.(1:25:52) How many, (1:25:54) what's, (1:25:54) what do you think the sacrifice is worth Russell? (1:25:57) Like how say we did three failed attempts in the Mars. (1:26:00) Like we don't hear back from these people. (1:26:02) They just, (1:26:02) they just go off the grid and they totally disappear.(1:26:06) How many is, (1:26:07) I mean, (1:26:07) do we just keep doing it and doing it and just expecting the risk and all (1:26:10) that? (1:26:11) Well, (1:26:12) I mean, (1:26:12) you figure out what went wrong and you don't make that mistake again. (1:26:18) And yeah, (1:26:18) you keep trying. (1:26:20) Yeah.(1:26:20) It just seems to be a long time between trials and errors, (1:26:24) right? (1:26:25) So it really would make that a long, (1:26:27) longer process, (1:26:28) even than we think. (1:26:29) So the foresightedness has to be even greater than what we currently have (1:26:33) even about it. (1:26:34) How much of the human race would have to be, (1:26:38) how much of the human race are you willing to sacrifice to quote, (1:26:42) do this to save the human race? (1:26:44) Like what's an acceptable amount of loss.(1:26:48) What percentage of all of it? (1:26:51) Makes it worth saving the rest of them. (1:26:56) Well, (1:26:56) I don't look at that way. (1:26:57) I look at, (1:26:57) but that was part of your argument, (1:26:58) but I look at, (1:26:59) you know, (1:26:59) progress has risks.(1:27:01) Your argument was it's a survival to save the human race. (1:27:07) How much of the human race are you willing to sacrifice to save the human (1:27:11) race? (1:27:12) What's the acceptable amount? (1:27:14) Like, (1:27:14) Oh, (1:27:14) well, (1:27:15) if it's more than that, (1:27:15) it's not worth it. (1:27:16) And we should try something else.(1:27:20) I mean, (1:27:21) I mean, (1:27:22) I don't agree with the question, (1:27:23) but I mean, (1:27:24) I would, (1:27:25) but I'm demanding you answer it anyway. (1:27:26) How can you not agree with the question? (1:27:28) Well, (1:27:29) because, (1:27:29) because I mean, (1:27:30) it's kind of loaded, (1:27:31) but I get, (1:27:31) I get the, (1:27:32) I get the point of the question and I get the point of him. (1:27:35) I would not accept a huge, (1:27:38) if you're going to lose 10% doing this, (1:27:40) that's ridiculous.(1:27:40) I mean, (1:27:41) that that's that obviously you're doing it wrong. (1:27:44) And so you have to, (1:27:46) you have to strive to avoid loss of life. (1:27:50) You know, (1:27:51) in the entire endeavor, (1:27:52) but know that something might go wrong.(1:27:56) Somebody might open an airlock at the wrong way. (1:27:58) And, (1:27:58) and, (1:27:58) you know, (1:27:59) as a result, (1:28:00) you know, (1:28:00) they kill a crew. (1:28:01) I mean, (1:28:02) it's not, (1:28:04) I'm not willing to say that because that women, (1:28:07) when they lost the first crew on the Apollo one, (1:28:09) they didn't say, (1:28:10) okay, (1:28:10) that's it.(1:28:10) We're not going to the moon. (1:28:11) They said, (1:28:12) well, (1:28:12) let's figure out. (1:28:12) Yeah.(1:28:12) But they were also going against Russia. (1:28:14) I mean, (1:28:14) that's a little, (1:28:15) that was, (1:28:15) there is a lot of a race there going on. (1:28:17) The attitude was, (1:28:19) let's figure out what we did wrong and let's fix it and not make that mistake (1:28:22) again.(1:28:24) And so, (1:28:25) I mean, (1:28:26) I'm not saying that I want people to die, (1:28:29) but I'm saying if somebody is, (1:28:30) is lost or seriously injured, (1:28:32) you figure out what you did wrong. (1:28:33) You don't do it again. (1:28:35) And this is where some of the challenge comes in because to Trista, (1:28:38) I don't want to put words in your mouth, (1:28:39) but as a compassionate person, (1:28:41) one life is too many.(1:28:42) Right. (1:28:42) To your point. (1:28:45) Although earlier in this conversation, (1:28:46) I did say I would sacrifice the whole human race to avoid going to Mars.(1:28:52) I mean, (1:28:52) apparently (1:28:56) the low point. (1:28:58) So, (1:28:59) so when are you guys flying to Vegas to get a quickie divorce and you guys (1:29:04) want us to meet you there? (1:29:05) We could, (1:29:06) we've been through more than this. (1:29:08) No, (1:29:09) this has been great.(1:29:10) And I really love it. (1:29:11) I do. (1:29:12) I mean, (1:29:13) there are other concerns though.(1:29:14) So Russell limited resources. (1:29:18) We have a hundred points that of resources that we can do. (1:29:23) How many points do we put on Mars and how many points do we put on trying (1:29:27) to help bring earth back or wind the clock back on earth by cleaning up (1:29:33) efforts and some things like that.(1:29:34) What about automation here? (1:29:36) Can we do both at the same time? (1:29:38) I don't feel like we can. (1:29:40) I feel like it's one or the other in a way. (1:29:42) Absolutely.(1:29:42) Do both at the same time. (1:29:44) And there's going to be cross benefits. (1:29:46) I mean, (1:29:46) they went to the moon and they, (1:29:47) they brought us a Velcro and Teflon.(1:29:50) We got, (1:29:50) you know, (1:29:51) and Tang and Tang and, (1:29:53) and, (1:29:54) you know, (1:29:55) things that made it better for everyone because the technology was developed (1:29:58) from it. (1:29:58) And if they find better ways to, (1:30:00) to farm or, (1:30:01) or, (1:30:02) you know, (1:30:02) better ways to process chemicals in the process of, (1:30:05) of, (1:30:05) of setting up bases on Mars, (1:30:07) those technologies could benefit all of us here. (1:30:10) I mean, (1:30:10) maybe better recycling technologies that make it more practical to do (1:30:14) recycling in a way that's not practical.(1:30:16) Now it could, (1:30:17) could benefit us all. (1:30:18) And so I think it's, (1:30:19) it's a short sighted to think that we're not going to have all of us (1:30:24) benefit from the program. (1:30:27) And so that you want to, (1:30:29) you know, (1:30:29) kind of keep all the burners going and work on all fronts.(1:30:33) I'm not saying, (1:30:34) you know, (1:30:34) stop cleaning up the environment, (1:30:35) we're not saying stop working out for, (1:30:37) you know, (1:30:37) better ways to handle garbage and keep the oceans clean, (1:30:41) but at the same time, (1:30:41) keep looking forward and expand. (1:30:43) Okay. (1:30:44) But I do want to hear an answer to the question.(1:30:46) You have a hundred points. (1:30:48) What's the breakdown. (1:30:49) Well, (1:30:49) you got to make a bigger pie first.(1:30:51) I mean, (1:30:51) why are we limited to a hundred points? (1:30:52) Well, (1:30:52) I mean, (1:30:52) you could do 0.1. (1:30:54) Well, (1:30:54) you can, (1:30:54) you can keep fractionalizing budgetary. (1:30:56) I mean, (1:30:57) is that like a global, (1:30:58) we have a global resource budget. (1:31:00) I mean, (1:31:00) monetary.(1:31:00) Well, (1:31:01) it's money, (1:31:02) but it's resource too. (1:31:03) It's not just money because it's about material and other things to make the (1:31:07) products. (1:31:08) Right.(1:31:08) So maybe we have to strike an agreement with Thailand to get a certain (1:31:12) mineral to put into our spaceship. (1:31:14) So it's also resource. (1:31:15) It's not just money.(1:31:17) Yeah. (1:31:17) I mean, (1:31:17) I think that we're, (1:31:18) we're, (1:31:19) we'd be appropriate to spend only one or two of those points on expanding (1:31:23) the species. (1:31:23) The rest of it should be on maintaining and growing what we have here (1:31:27) locally.(1:31:27) And I think that's in line. (1:31:29) I don't think the budget is out. (1:31:30) I don't think money's really the issue.(1:31:32) My concern is like, (1:31:33) are you, (1:31:34) do you want the United States to colonize Mars or do you want earth to (1:31:38) colonize Mars? (1:31:39) Because that's a, (1:31:39) that's a philosophical difference, (1:31:41) but I want it to be, (1:31:42) I'm sorry. (1:31:43) Could you say that again? (1:31:44) I think I stepped over you. (1:31:45) I apologize.(1:31:46) I want earth to colonize Mars, (1:31:48) but I don't, (1:31:48) but with the caveat that I want it to be a, (1:31:54) a conglomerate of, (1:31:55) of people that believe in free speech and thought. (1:31:58) So I'm not too excited about the idea of China. (1:32:01) Right.(1:32:01) Because let's be honest, (1:32:02) China as a nation is just wants to exist, (1:32:04) right? (1:32:05) Well, (1:32:06) we're great, (1:32:07) but the Chinese government, (1:32:08) not so much. (1:32:09) Well, (1:32:09) that's what I'm saying. (1:32:09) The government, (1:32:10) we're not talking about people we're talking, (1:32:12) right.(1:32:12) We're talking at this point, (1:32:13) it's now above the people. (1:32:15) It's now to the government entities, (1:32:17) making these things happen or putting policies in place. (1:32:20) Right.(1:32:21) Yeah. (1:32:22) So do you think that the United States on its own can do this? (1:32:27) Because obviously we work together with a lot of space agencies and the (1:32:31) international space station, (1:32:32) all that, (1:32:33) but it is this space race 2.0 against China, (1:32:37) or is this, (1:32:38) we really care about Mars. (1:32:41) Well, (1:32:42) I mean, (1:32:42) I think I started from the beginning that Mars is I, (1:32:45) I'm not hiding a stepping stone to be going on to, (1:32:47) to expand, (1:32:48) to be a multi a multi-solar system species.(1:32:52) And so it is a step in the process. (1:32:54) And if motivation to, (1:32:58) to keep ahead of China gets people fired up about it, (1:33:02) then I'm all in support of that, (1:33:04) that tactic, (1:33:06) if you will, (1:33:07) that game. (1:33:08) But I think it really should be something that we, (1:33:11) we are motivated to do because it is good for us as a whole.(1:33:14) And I don't think you guys should do it alone. (1:33:15) I think you should do it in cooperation with other nations that are, (1:33:19) as I said, (1:33:20) in favor of free thought and exchange of ideas. (1:33:24) Yeah.(1:33:24) Yeah. (1:33:24) Sam Harris had a really interesting point. (1:33:26) Are you familiar with Sam Harris? (1:33:27) By any chance, (1:33:28) a neuros psychologist or neuroscientist? (1:33:31) The name rings a bell, (1:33:32) but I'm not able to connect it.(1:33:34) He's one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, (1:33:36) apparently with Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens and Dawkins. (1:33:42) So Richard Dawkins, (1:33:43) if you're familiar with him, (1:33:44) but he actually, (1:33:45) you know, (1:33:45) one of the challenges of this is we either don't have the foresight time (1:33:49) wise, (1:33:49) right? (1:33:50) We have different president every four years, (1:33:52) different center, (1:33:53) every six and different Congress, (1:33:54) every two. (1:33:55) We either don't have the time problem or we have a boundary problem where we (1:33:58) don't have enough of the resources, (1:33:59) right? (1:34:00) This does feel like it needs to be a global effort versus a country effort.(1:34:05) Absolutely. (1:34:06) Well, (1:34:07) it's, (1:34:07) it spreads the cost, (1:34:08) but I think that the, (1:34:10) the technology, (1:34:11) the resources exist. (1:34:12) It's a matter of whether the short, (1:34:15) the thing it's a short supply is the will and motivation.(1:34:18) That's, (1:34:19) that's, (1:34:19) I, (1:34:19) I think that we do have a lot of the technology, (1:34:22) but some of the materials we don't have yet to create in some cases. (1:34:25) Now, (1:34:26) obviously we're getting better with mature, (1:34:28) like composites and things like that. (1:34:29) But in the beginning, (1:34:30) you know, (1:34:31) we have ideas where we like computer, (1:34:33) the idea of a computer has been around forever, (1:34:35) but we weren't able to make it work.(1:34:37) Right. (1:34:38) Actual pieces. (1:34:39) Right.(1:34:39) And it wasn't until there was a, (1:34:42) a global war until they needed to, (1:34:44) you know, (1:34:45) to compute the ballistic charts to really get the motivation to build (1:34:48) computers. (1:34:49) Yeah. (1:34:49) War.(1:34:49) I mean, (1:34:50) obviously out of war, (1:34:51) we've had a lot of, (1:34:51) I hate to say progress, (1:34:53) but we've gotten a lot of technological advancements out of it. (1:34:56) It's true. (1:34:58) So we've covered that.(1:35:00) So we think we can do this is what we're saying. (1:35:03) And Trista says, (1:35:03) no, (1:35:04) I didn't say we can't. (1:35:05) I said, (1:35:06) we shouldn't.(1:35:07) Right. (1:35:07) I said, (1:35:07) we can, (1:35:08) but Trista says, (1:35:09) no, (1:35:09) don't do it is what I meant. (1:35:10) Yeah, (1:35:11) absolutely.(1:35:11) We can. (1:35:12) And yet I do not believe we should. (1:35:14) Have you done any protesting? (1:35:18) Like, (1:35:18) you know, (1:35:19) First time I'm ever having this conversation with people other than (1:35:22) Russell.(1:35:23) And clearly he didn't know my stance. (1:35:26) He wasn't even listening. (1:35:27) So it was really mostly talking to myself.(1:35:29) We were listening. (1:35:31) I mean, (1:35:32) before this, (1:35:33) I can see Trista down in Florida in front of a launch pad with her (1:35:37) picket sign. (1:35:37) There you go.(1:35:38) F Mars. (1:35:40) It is really interesting though. (1:35:42) Off Mars.(1:35:43) Mars. (1:35:45) That's nice. (1:35:46) Oh, (1:35:48) keep your microbes off Mars.(1:35:52) Trista. (1:35:53) Yes. (1:35:54) Are you okay with the, (1:35:56) not, (1:35:57) not for the purpose of colonizing Mars, (1:35:59) but are you okay with right now? (1:36:01) Like the curiosity Rover and all the exploration of it, (1:36:05) the way we're doing it, (1:36:06) because.(1:36:07) Those are robots. (1:36:08) We don't know what they're stepping on or doing anything. (1:36:10) Are you okay with that portion? (1:36:12) The exploration.(1:36:13) I'm really not. (1:36:14) Okay. (1:36:14) So you, (1:36:15) you think we should just have a, (1:36:16) We should close our earthly borders.(1:36:18) I do. (1:36:20) Okay. (1:36:20) Until we can learn to be responsible on our own planet.(1:36:24) And prove that we actually are willing to put resources toward (1:36:29) reversing. (1:36:29) How we have taken advantage of the resources beyond. (1:36:34) What is sustainable.(1:36:37) That we really have no business going out and trying it. (1:36:42) On other planets. (1:36:43) So what does the earth look like? (1:36:44) If we are, (1:36:46) if we've achieved the qualifications to expand.(1:36:50) I mean, (1:36:51) I'm not a geologist. (1:36:53) I can't tell you that I can only tell you. (1:36:55) It's not that it's not the planets, (1:36:57) the people.(1:36:57) I mean, (1:36:57) how are the people treating the planet? (1:37:00) Yeah, (1:37:00) I think it's the philosophical. (1:37:02) I think that's where the sticking point is, (1:37:04) is how do we not rape. (1:37:06) A planet.(1:37:08) Yeah. (1:37:08) Or a second planet. (1:37:09) I guess any, (1:37:10) any, (1:37:10) any planet.(1:37:12) You know, (1:37:13) we. (1:37:14) There's so much fake news. (1:37:15) I don't even want to quote anything, (1:37:17) but.(1:37:19) Just make it up. (1:37:20) This is how we say, (1:37:21) we just say allegedly. (1:37:22) I heard this.(1:37:23) Allegedly. (1:37:24) And then that covers all our bases. (1:37:26) We've lost what, (1:37:27) like 80% of Antarctica's ice.(1:37:29) Yeah, (1:37:30) that's bullshit. (1:37:32) 80%. (1:37:33) Damn.(1:37:34) That's not true. (1:37:35) That's fake news. (1:37:38) But I will tell you this, (1:37:39) guys, (1:37:39) this, (1:37:39) this is my personal experience and this is what concerns me.(1:37:42) I went to Belize. (1:37:43) I'm only name dropping that. (1:37:44) Cause I went to Belize.(1:37:46) You started in March. (1:37:47) I want a trip with my work. (1:37:49) You went to Belize.(1:37:51) I went to Belize. (1:37:52) The country. (1:37:53) So they, (1:37:54) we drove up to a Mayan.(1:37:55) There was a Mayan temple and everything. (1:37:57) And on the way there's, (1:37:58) there's rainforest. (1:37:59) And Russell, (1:38:00) please tell me if this is true or not.(1:38:02) Is the rainforest. (1:38:03) Responsible for about 80% of the earth's oxygen, (1:38:06) or is that not a true statement? (1:38:08) I think that might be true. (1:38:10) I'm not sure.(1:38:11) I, (1:38:11) well, (1:38:12) I don't want to, (1:38:12) you know, (1:38:12) obviously we all, (1:38:13) we're getting our news from different sources. (1:38:15) No, (1:38:15) just kidding. (1:38:15) I'm just messing with you.(1:38:16) But, (1:38:18) but what happened was a sugar cane company bought. (1:38:21) A portion of it. (1:38:22) And we saw a plume of smoke coming out of the rainforest.(1:38:24) And I'm like, (1:38:26) what's going on there. (1:38:27) And they're like, (1:38:27) oh, (1:38:27) they're clearing out for sugar. (1:38:29) For sugar cane.(1:38:30) And I'm like, (1:38:31) wait a minute, (1:38:32) we're getting 80% of our oxygen from this. (1:38:36) Pile of trees and whatnot. (1:38:37) And we're going to just chop them the fuck down to get sugar cane.(1:38:40) Is that kind of your point? (1:38:42) Trista. (1:38:44) Yeah. (1:38:45) I found it.(1:38:46) It says there's been a six fold increase in polar ice cap melting since (1:38:50) the nineties. (1:38:51) Yeah. (1:38:51) That's the rate of.(1:38:54) 600%. (1:38:56) Then it used to be. (1:38:57) There's still a crap ton.(1:39:01) A crap ton of ice. (1:39:03) So crap ton. (1:39:04) Is that like a jerk face? (1:39:05) Yes.(1:39:06) How is that? (1:39:07) Is that a scientific NASA? (1:39:11) I think that's the duty head duty. (1:39:14) Defense. (1:39:14) So how many crap tons does it take to get to Mars? (1:39:19) That's seven crap tons.(1:39:21) It's a 12 crap tons. (1:39:23) Russell. (1:39:23) If you're saying.(1:39:26) That goes against what you said before, (1:39:28) which is we have to do something right now because we need the time to (1:39:32) fix it. (1:39:32) Because it's not going to be an overnight fix. (1:39:35) That's the same thing with the ice caps as it is with the Mars.(1:39:39) I think if we were keeping point, I would get one. (1:39:44) I I'm going to say this. (1:39:46) Russell Russell's point I think was the preparation of getting it, (1:39:49) looking forward to doing that.(1:39:51) We have just not been kind to our world. (1:39:55) And now we're realizing the impact that we've had on it. (1:39:58) And now we're trying to, we're behind the eight ball.(1:40:00) We're kind of behind the power curve. (1:40:01) We have to now. (1:40:02) Instead of being proactive, what are we doing? (1:40:05) We have to be reactive and say, we need to clean up and then still not (1:40:09) go forward.Not doing. (1:40:11) And that underlines my philosophy, which is. (1:40:15) Look how long it took us to start to be responsible for what we've been (1:40:19) doing to this planet.And this is. (1:40:21) And I agree with that. (1:40:23) We were born here.(1:40:25) And we took advantage of it and figured somebody else's problem. (1:40:30) We'll let the next generation deal with it. (1:40:32) And globally we're shitting where we eat.(1:40:34) Yeah. And so now you're going to tell me that we're, (1:40:36) we're perfectly fine to go other places. We're going to be, (1:40:39) we're going to be kinder to Mars or wherever than we were to our own planet.(1:40:44) There is just no proof of that. (1:40:47) Yeah. Cause we've never done it before.(1:40:49) So let's do it and find out. All right, Russell. (1:40:55) Russell out of all the movies that you've seen regarding Mars, (1:41:00) which one do you think is the most realistic? (1:41:03) Definitely the Mars call.(1:41:06) Wait, so hang on. The Martian stars who? (1:41:15) Matt Damon. Matt Damon.(1:41:19) Sorry. That's an inside joke from team America, team America, world police, (1:41:23) Matt Damon. (1:41:26) And why do you say that? Why do you, (1:41:27) why do you think that's the most realistic? (1:41:29) Well, cause the, the guy who put together something doing the W, (1:41:35) I can't remember the author's name.(1:41:37) William Wallace. (1:41:39) That's not right. He did a bunch of research on it and you know, (1:41:45) his proposal in there is, is in the float of how things actually work.(1:41:49) There's a bunch of things that, you know, the, the nitpickers say, well, (1:41:52) that's not how this would work or this is different or so forth. But you know, (1:41:56) I mean, I think that that is probably the most realistic we've seen so far. (1:42:00) Realistic, except for he survived.(1:42:02) I feel like the dude's going to die. Like you. (1:42:09) The scenario that he was faced with would kill him.Yeah. (1:42:14) Pretty clear on that. But you know, I mean, (1:42:18) it's a nice thought experiment and it's a stepping, (1:42:22) it's a step towards the process.I mean to some point, (1:42:24) I would definitely agree that the whole film is pro Mars colonization (1:42:28) propaganda. I would agree. I would agree.Yeah. (1:42:32) Who else gets mad Damon to do it unless you know, (1:42:35) you want to stop fracking and start owning a zoo, running a zoo and, (1:42:39) and going on to Mars. (1:42:40) I forgot about the poop part that he used to make.(1:42:44) Well, if you read, you read the book, (1:42:46) they go into a lot more details on it. Yeah. (1:42:50) I'm definitely not reading the book.(1:42:51) Don't do it. Do they have pictures and samples in the book? (1:42:57) Well, I listened to it on Audible. So, uh, you know, I got to, (1:43:01) I got to listen to it.(1:43:02) So it was like, then Matt Damon squatted and went. (1:43:08) God. Okay.I withdraw the question. I'm so sorry. (1:43:11) We're having fun with this guys.We're not like yelling at each other. (1:43:15) Russell, what's the least accurate Mars movie? (1:43:18) Total recall. (1:43:24) Two weeks, two weeks.(1:43:28) Oh, he did like the nose. That was pretty fun. That was, that was true.(1:43:32) The little thing with the probe thing popped it out. Oh, so gross. (1:43:36) Get, get to the party.See you at the party. (1:43:39) See you at the party. (1:43:44) I do the best.(1:43:46) I'm going to do the best Arnold impression. (1:43:49) Once he gets ejected onto the atmosphere of Mars. (1:43:58) Except when you're looking at it in person, (1:44:01) I now have to go to like confession and therapy.(1:44:04) I think Chris thought I was constipated there for a second. (1:44:07) I don't know if you're going to throw up or poop or both. (1:44:11) But you didn't see microbes, bro.(1:44:14) Micros. (1:44:15) What about the macros? Those are the ones that really concern me. (1:44:18) They must feel very neglected.(1:44:21) Macro. Oh, I'm not going to say it. Nope.No, no, I am not saying that. (1:44:25) Is there anything that we left out that needs to be addressed? (1:44:29) Any logistical points about how to get there, how to get back, (1:44:34) how many people we want to live there eventually, (1:44:36) how big is this colony going to be? How long is terraforming going to take? (1:44:40) Chris wants the ins and outs. (1:44:44) My heart is breaking with all those questions.(1:44:47) Well, I mean, I am half logical and half emotional because I'm a weird little bitch. (1:44:51) So those things interest me. (1:44:56) Look at the European colonization of the Americas.(1:44:59) They started with small colonies of a couple of hundred and expanded and grew. (1:45:04) And now we have a population of millions. (1:45:06) So why couldn't the same thing happen to Mars? (1:45:11) I can't disagree with that.So basically it's a very small step. (1:45:15) Like you get two, three people with some robots, (1:45:18) and then AI comes and takes over. (1:45:21) Oh, and blows us all up.Have you seen Terminator? (1:45:24) So would you, Russell, would you say, when you say terraforming, (1:45:28) you mean to make the atmosphere habitable, right? (1:45:34) Well, the soil and the atmosphere and providing the protections (1:45:39) for the people who are there. (1:45:42) So eventually the people that are there wouldn't have to live in a bubble. (1:45:48) Is that they can actually breathe outside, right? (1:45:51) Ideally.(1:45:52) Okay. Because I mean, I'm a novice on the subject. (1:45:54) So I'm asking rudimentary questions.So I apologize. (1:45:57) It's not going to happen overnight. (1:45:59) Right.Of course. (1:46:00) They'd have to find some way to keep the atmosphere in place. (1:46:03) Maybe they would build gigantic, you know, city-sized domes.(1:46:07) Right. (1:46:09) Yeah. It'd be like a skyscraper you just couldn't leave.(1:46:12) Yeah. (1:46:12) Out there without a suit or something. (1:46:14) But to your point, I mean, one of your favorite movies, (1:46:16) well, your favorite movie, the one that's on the island.(1:46:19) Aliens. (1:46:19) Was terraforming. (1:46:20) Hello.(1:46:21) And we've never done it. We've seen it. (1:46:23) We've seen it in these, you know, sci-fi shows and whatnot.(1:46:25) But we don't honestly know the undertaking. (1:46:27) We can talk about the science behind it. (1:46:29) But do we know that gravity is going to hold the atmosphere (1:46:32) or whatever the other factors are? (1:46:33) I understand the theory behind it.(1:46:35) Sure. (1:46:35) But the actual actuality, which is really dumb, (1:46:41) which is the dumbest phrase I may have ever uttered ever, (1:46:44) that part is very challenging for my mind to grasp. (1:46:49) I get the theory, but how it would work in reality, (1:46:53) I struggle with mentally.(1:46:56) Well, in Aliens, didn't they have like a giant fusion-powered machine? (1:47:01) Correct. (1:47:02) Yeah, like a reactor that's sucked in. (1:47:03) Kind of automated to your point.(1:47:04) Yes, correct, sir. (1:47:05) It sucked in the atmosphere and stuck out, you know, (1:47:08) something that would be good for humans. (1:47:10) But it was a sci-fi movie and we don't know if that works.(1:47:13) I mean, I think that's what we're talking about, right? (1:47:15) How's the practicality of it? (1:47:17) You know, the actual implementation, I guess, is the question. (1:47:27) Apparently, Russell's still not muted in the other room. (1:47:32) Is that Alexa? (1:47:33) That was some random text.(1:47:35) That was my text message. (1:47:37) Hey, man, you got a coupon waiting for you. (1:47:39) Yeah, you want to probably edit that out.(1:47:42) Hello, Twitter world. (1:47:43) Are you kidding me, Russell? (1:47:44) We're actually going to add more shit in than you could ever imagine. (1:47:47) What the heck? (1:47:49) Man, you honestly do not know us, sir.(1:47:54) What Mars would need for us to live there would be a thicker atmosphere (1:47:59) so you could not expire just by being outside in it. (1:48:04) More oxygen. (1:48:08) And, you know, more pressure so they're able to survive.(1:48:13) And probably some way to protect from the radiation waves. (1:48:16) And so either restarting Mars' magnetic field (1:48:21) or creating something that would provide protection like that. (1:48:26) You know, some kind of magnetic shield to keep the cosmic rays (1:48:28) from pummeling the people on the surface.(1:48:31) That's what it would need. (1:48:32) And so that would be the terraform process there. (1:48:36) So you so Mars had a magnetic field at some point.(1:48:39) Yeah, I mean, they think ours is caused by the circulating (1:48:44) poles. (1:48:45) No, the plasma or the lava underneath the core, the core spinning. (1:48:50) And so Mars being smaller had a core that was at one point (1:48:55) and you can tell it was there because of the volcanoes.(1:48:58) OK, OK. (1:48:59) But I think that Mars' core has either has gone solid or (1:49:04) maybe down. (1:49:06) If it's still liquid, it's only liquid on the very deep down.(1:49:10) And so it's not enough to provide a magnetic field for the. (1:49:14) What's interesting, though, is part of the red color is it's very ferric. (1:49:17) Right.There's a lot of iron on Mars. (1:49:19) Is that is that correct? (1:49:21) So maybe we could just take those take that rake the whole top (1:49:25) of Mars and make magnets on both ends and just make a make (1:49:29) a huge like electromagnet, something to do that. (1:49:32) There are probably some thought behind that.(1:49:34) I think that might be the more complicated way to do it. (1:49:39) Of course, I don't do anything easy. (1:49:41) Mark doesn't do anything simple.(1:49:42) Please. You should see how I open my car door. (1:49:45) I have to hop on my left foot three times, rub my belly, pat my tummy.(1:49:48) How did your I didn't even know your OCD after all these years. (1:49:51) Yeah, I'm CDO. (1:49:53) See? Yeah.Oh, dear Jesus. (1:49:55) I'm a dyslexic. He's a dyslexic OCD.(1:49:56) Yeah, you beat me to the punch line. (1:50:01) The guy's like, that'll be COD. (1:50:03) And I go, what do you see? (1:50:06) What are you talking about? (1:50:08) Wrap it up, bro.(1:50:09) All right. Are we wrapping this up? (1:50:10) So, Russell, do we miss anything from the logistical standpoint? (1:50:14) I don't want to leave anything out. (1:50:15) I think that you need to get an actual Martian scientist to (1:50:20) give you.(1:50:21) That's you, dude. (1:50:22) That is not me. (1:50:23) You are our expert today.(1:50:25) Who digs into what he can get online and reads. (1:50:29) But, I mean, as I said, it's a process. (1:50:32) They got to try it or they won't know what works.(1:50:35) So just go forward. (1:50:37) That's it. Just that fortitude.(1:50:39) I mean, look, that's what made Mark pretty great. (1:50:41) But it also did a lot of other stuff, too. (1:50:43) That's that's the concern, right? (1:50:44) Is the other stuff.It's the candy wrapper part. (1:50:47) Is the Indian reservations. (1:50:49) Yeah, but they have casinos now.(1:50:51) So come on, man. (1:50:53) Just kidding. (1:50:55) Casinos hosted by Martian microbes.(1:50:57) I can see it already. (1:50:58) Oh, my God. That is amazing.(1:51:01) Do you have to be a direct descendant of that microbe (1:51:04) to work at that casino? (1:51:05) Correct. (1:51:07) Did I just hear crickets go off? (1:51:09) I swear I just heard crickets. (1:51:10) Me too.(1:51:13) Martian microbe is the next metal album I'm releasing. (1:51:16) Martian microbe. (1:51:17) Yes.(1:51:17) Microbial assault. (1:51:19) Yes. (1:51:23) So I think we got that covered.(1:51:25) Does anybody would. (1:51:26) Russell, would you like to have a final point? (1:51:28) And then Trista, please put a bow on it (1:51:29) because we let Russell start. (1:51:31) So you get to finish.(1:51:32) Look how nice we are. (1:51:33) I think I made my case. (1:51:36) I think you have also for you.(1:51:38) I'm just kidding. (1:51:42) Trista, how are you doing? (1:51:44) I think that I just want to end by saying (1:51:47) that we have a lot of work to do. (1:51:49) As a species, (1:51:52) as a global community (1:51:56) of treating each other (1:51:58) and the space we are in better.(1:52:02) And that's where we need to start. (1:52:05) And my dog, Bella, agrees. (1:52:07) I was like, I hope that wasn't Russell.(1:52:11) I was like, wow. (1:52:13) Bella says, is that podcast still going? (1:52:16) It's time for you to take me out. (1:52:18) Well, guys, (1:52:19) thank you so much for joining us.(1:52:21) This was a lot of fun. (1:52:22) I know we have some philosophical differences, (1:52:24) but I think we all want to be good to each other. (1:52:28) I mean, we started with don't be a dick.(1:52:30) Can we end with don't be a dick? (1:52:32) How about be excellent to each other? (1:52:34) Be more excellent. (1:52:35) And party on. (1:52:38) Are you over, under, through? (1:52:39) Yes.(1:52:40) Any closing thoughts, Russell or Trista? (1:52:44) I just really appreciate you guys having us on. (1:52:47) This was super fun. (1:52:49) And the opportunity to share my views on this (1:52:53) was really a unique opportunity.(1:52:57) And it's always fun to have (1:53:00) philosophical conversations with Russell. (1:53:03) I think it's fun. (1:53:04) And I think we all were very pleasant to each other.(1:53:06) We obviously disagree, (1:53:07) but that's the whole point of even our podcast (1:53:09) is we just want to get people together. (1:53:12) We want differences of thought and opinion. (1:53:14) I mean, that's the whole point.(1:53:15) How do we get to, we got to start somewhere (1:53:17) and then we meet somewhere else. (1:53:20) It's okay if we disagree, but let's just be civil. (1:53:23) That's the whole point.(1:53:25) And I think that's what our philosophy (1:53:27) has always been to do that. (1:53:29) And we thank you for coming on and sharing. (1:53:31) Yes, thank you guys.(1:53:31) I mean, we started the divorce proceedings. (1:53:35) That means me and Mark, not you guys. (1:53:37) We're very excited about that.(1:53:40) Chris, do you have any final thoughts? (1:53:41) No sir, I'm good. (1:53:42) Thank you guys for being on. (1:53:45) Go team Mars.(1:53:46) Whatever you like. (1:53:49) Team microbes. (1:53:50) Team microbes.(1:53:52) There was a hashtag. (1:53:54) There was a number assigned somewhere. (1:53:56) Micro bros.(1:54:00) You know, that would make a great t-shirt. (1:54:01) Great t-shirt. (1:54:03) It would just microbe on the front (1:54:04) and on the back just bro.(1:54:07) And people are like, what the? (1:54:09) Yes. (1:54:10) Can I get a tank top with that please? (1:54:11) I want double zero bro. (1:54:13) Okay.(1:54:14) That's my jersey. (1:54:16) You're now required to go out and start (1:54:17) a t-shirt company and that's your first product. (1:54:20) Okay.(1:54:21) You talk me into it. (1:54:21) You just talk Chris into it. (1:54:23) You know, there's some logistics.(1:54:25) And honestly, I think that's going to destroy the earth. (1:54:27) And I don't want to start a t-shirt company. (1:54:28) There's a philosophical conversation about it.(1:54:29) Am I philosophical about starting a t-shirt company? (1:54:35) All right, ladies and gentlemen. (1:54:37) Well, because we never say this (1:54:38) on any of our podcasts, (1:54:40) can you please subscribe to us? (1:54:43) Rate us, review us, (1:54:45) give us positive or realistic feedback. (1:54:48) Please.(1:54:49) All that. (1:54:50) Thank you so much for listening to us. (1:54:53) Thank you, Russell.(1:54:54) Thank you, Trista. (1:54:55) Hopefully, we'll have some more of these. (1:54:57) And the more subjects we have, (1:54:58) we need to get you guys on a beer Googles (1:55:00) because I think a couple beers and Russell, (1:55:02) that would be fun.(1:55:04) He becomes even more logistical. (1:55:07) I love it. (1:55:07) No way.(1:55:08) Yeah. (1:55:09) Yeah. (1:55:09) It's not pretty.(1:55:11) It doesn't loosen you up. (1:55:12) It tightens you up. (1:55:13) That's weird.(1:55:13) Maybe he needs tequila. (1:55:15) Tell him. (1:55:16) Do we have a second to tell you the story? (1:55:18) Yes.(1:55:18) Hold on. (1:55:19) Can we do it? (1:55:21) Wait for it. (1:55:21) Here we go.(1:55:27) You know the one you told me about (1:55:30) why you don't drink a lot? (1:55:31) Oh, yeah. (1:55:32) OK. (1:55:34) Go.(1:55:35) So I was at my friend's college (1:55:38) and in his quasi fraternity, (1:55:40) it wasn't a real fraternity, (1:55:42) it was more like a fraternity. (1:55:43) They had a beer tap in the basement (1:55:44) that was just like, (1:55:45) that's 24-7, (1:55:47) you get your beer here. (1:55:50) And we went to the game.(1:55:52) I went there to attend, (1:55:54) went to the party, (1:55:54) and I got so incredibly smashed (1:55:57) that I was (1:56:00) not at all intelligible. (1:56:02) Of course, (1:56:03) what I did when I got that drunk (1:56:06) was to start speaking German (1:56:08) to everyone. (1:56:10) People didn't know German, (1:56:12) not that I know German, (1:56:13) but I was just speaking German.(1:56:15) And this is what I did (1:56:17) when I got really drunk. (1:56:17) And didn't you get on a bike? (1:56:19) Oh, that was a different time. (1:56:21) I got, (1:56:22) I got really drunk on vodka, (1:56:25) I think it was, (1:56:26) your favorite drink.(1:56:28) And I said, (1:56:29) well, (1:56:29) I wonder how my motor controls are (1:56:31) because, you know. (1:56:32) He started doing experiments on himself (1:56:34) to see how, (1:56:35) this is perfect for beer Googles, (1:56:36) you guys, (1:56:37) because he was just trying to see like (1:56:39) how good could he (1:56:41) ride a bike, (1:56:42) how drunk he got. (1:56:43) I think we should just record (1:56:44) a beer Googles episode right now (1:56:46) and just talk about all this shit.(1:56:47) So, (1:56:48) I got on the bike (1:56:49) and I could ride it absolutely fine, (1:56:52) but I could not navigate (1:56:53) between two parked cars. (1:56:56) And I ran into the car. (1:56:58) That would be, (1:56:59) yeah, you always have to pick (1:56:59) the third image.(1:57:00) How are you speaking German (1:57:01) if you don't know German? (1:57:03) I had had some German, (1:57:04) but, (1:57:04) but, (1:57:05) you know, (1:57:05) not enough to. (1:57:06) I think, (1:57:07) does Deutschmark (1:57:09) need to make an appearance? (1:57:10) Yes. (1:57:10) The German in Deutschmark (1:57:12) does not like (1:57:13) that you are culturally (1:57:14) appropriating German (1:57:15) for your own drunken needs.(1:57:17) So, (1:57:18) we do not like this. (1:57:18) We do not like these kinds of practices. (1:57:20) Mark is bilingual.(1:57:22) So, (1:57:23) why don't you say something in German, (1:57:24) Mark? (1:57:25) I'm also, (1:57:26) what's that word we had earlier? (1:57:27) Microbial lingual? (1:57:28) What's that? (1:57:29) No, (1:57:30) binurdle. (1:57:31) I'm also binurdle. (1:57:32) Well, (1:57:33) binurdle.(1:57:33) Ich kann Deutsch sprechen, ja. (1:57:35) Ich kann gut Deutsch sprechen. (1:57:37) Yeah.(1:57:38) Mark's bilingual. (1:57:39) It's been a really long time. (1:57:41) That's about as much German (1:57:42) as I can remember.(1:57:43) That's all you need, bibliothek. (1:57:44) Wait, that's Spanish. (1:57:45) And my favorite band is Rompstein.(1:57:47) So, (1:57:47) you know, (1:57:48) I know four words. (1:57:50) Du hast. (1:57:50) Du hast.(1:57:51) Du hast mich. (1:57:52) That's it. (1:57:52) That's all I know.(1:57:53) Gefragt. (1:57:54) Yeah. (1:57:54) I know you smell so good in German.(1:57:57) And so, (1:57:57) welcome back to our (1:57:58) not conscious intervention. (1:58:00) So, (1:58:00) Russell, (1:58:00) how long have you had this problem? (1:58:02) So, (1:58:03) we've had a bicycle incident (1:58:04) and we had a German-speaking incident. (1:58:06) The lesson I got from this was that (1:58:08) when I drink, (1:58:09) I need to stop (1:58:10) before I'm past the level.(1:58:12) Probably about four drinks (1:58:13) is where I get (1:58:16) troublesome. (1:58:17) Is where you want to start doing (1:58:18) experiments on yourself. (1:58:19) Yes.(1:58:20) So, (1:58:20) I keep below that level. (1:58:22) At least there are experiments on others. (1:58:26) I think it's hilarious (1:58:27) that you do them on yourself.(1:58:28) It's like you're like your own Dexter. (1:58:31) You just, (1:58:32) but it's just you. (1:58:32) There's nobody else.(1:58:33) And you stay alive. (1:58:34) You stay alive, (1:58:35) but there's nobody else on the show. (1:58:36) It's just you.(1:58:37) That's hilarious. (1:58:39) I don't know why I find that so funny. (1:58:43) I think, (1:58:45) I think all of us should share (1:58:46) one drunk story of our lives (1:58:47) since we're doing this.(1:58:48) Oh, my God. (1:58:49) I have one. (1:58:51) Okay.(1:58:52) I went to a college (1:58:53) that was very small. (1:58:54) Christopher and I went to the same school. (1:58:56) It was an eight to one (1:58:58) male to female ratio.(1:58:59) And there were a total of about 1,200 people. (1:59:01) So, (1:59:01) we had our pickings of 150 women. (1:59:05) And Chris and I look like we do.(1:59:06) I don't know if you've seen our YouTubes, (1:59:08) but we look like we do. (1:59:09) I'm hot. (1:59:10) Shut up.(1:59:10) Well, you're hot, (1:59:11) but I'm not. (1:59:12) So, there's this place downtown. (1:59:14) What's your expression? (1:59:15) You have a face for podcasting? (1:59:17) Yeah, I have a face for radio.(1:59:18) For sure. (1:59:18) Oh, there you go. (1:59:18) Radio.(1:59:19) Yeah, I've totally got a face for radio. (1:59:21) So, (1:59:22) we're in this town (1:59:23) in which the school resides. (1:59:26) And it is just as much (1:59:27) of a little shithole (1:59:28) as you would think.(1:59:30) And to the point where there is a square. (1:59:32) You have to name the school. (1:59:34) I will.(1:59:34) It's Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University (1:59:36) in Prescott, motherfucking Arizona. (1:59:38) Small town. (1:59:38) 30,000.(1:59:40) Oh, my God. (1:59:41) Embry-Riddle. (1:59:42) Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.(1:59:44) Wow. (1:59:45) Yeah, we're fancy schmancy. (1:59:46) We have like four names in our college.(1:59:49) And a hyphen. (1:59:50) We have a hyphen in it, too. (1:59:52) Yeah, it means we both regret it.(1:59:54) Big, big mistake. (1:59:54) We both regret it, (1:59:54) but we would have never met (1:59:55) had we gone to our respective schools. (1:59:57) It's a whole thing.(1:59:58) Big mistake. (1:59:58) You want to talk about (1:59:59) how Chris and I came together. (2:00:00) That's a whole other love affair.(2:00:03) But we're in Whiskey Row (2:00:05) because that's all you can do (2:00:06) is either fly planes (2:00:07) or drink alcohol at this town. (2:00:09) That's kind of all we can do, right? (2:00:11) Not a good mix. (2:00:12) Not a good mix.(2:00:13) Yeah, you don't do them together. (2:00:14) No, you don't. (2:00:15) It's or.(2:00:15) Eight ottles. (2:00:16) What is it? (2:00:16) Eight hours bottle to throttle. (2:00:18) Yeah.(2:00:19) Yeah, that's right, sir. (2:00:20) Eight hours bottle to throttle. (2:00:22) So, we're in this little Whiskey Row area.(2:00:24) And I'm at this like hickey country (2:00:27) tavern. (2:00:28) Billy's Matt Saloon. (2:00:29) Billy's what? (2:00:29) Okay.(2:00:30) Matt Saloon. (2:00:30) Not Billy's Western Bar. (2:00:32) It was Matt Saloon.(2:00:33) That's how fucked this place was. (2:00:34) Yeah, it's Matt Saloon. (2:00:35) The Girly Street Grill.(2:00:37) Come on. (2:00:38) Can we get better names? (2:00:39) No, we can't. (2:00:40) Bucky O'Neal's.(2:00:41) Go ahead. (2:00:41) Just come on. (2:00:42) Wrap it up.(2:00:43) All right. (2:00:43) So, I'm from Philadelphia. (2:00:45) Guy was at the bar (2:00:46) and had a Philly's hat on.(2:00:47) And when I drink, (2:00:48) I smoke. (2:00:49) Very not good. (2:00:51) Don't do it, ladies and gentlemen.(2:00:53) So, I walk up to the guy (2:00:54) and I'm like, (2:00:55) hey, you're from Philly? (2:00:56) Where part of Philly are you from? (2:00:58) Because I think he's just, (2:00:59) who wears a Philly's hat? (2:01:01) And the guy looks at me (2:01:02) and he's like, (2:01:02) and I'm like, (2:01:04) what's up, man? (2:01:05) I'm like, where are you from? (2:01:05) And he goes, fuck off or something. (2:01:07) And I look at him. (2:01:08) Swear to God.(2:01:08) I look at him, stare him straight in the eye. (2:01:10) I hold out my hand. (2:01:11) I take my cigarette (2:01:12) and I put it out on the back of my hand (2:01:14) while I'm staring at him.(2:01:16) And I go, (2:01:17) if you think I'm willing to do this to me, (2:01:20) what do you think I'm going to do to you? (2:01:21) Oh, man. (2:01:23) That's the darkness (2:01:24) that is Mark when he drinks. (2:01:25) I have no, (2:01:26) I don't drink.(2:01:27) And do you still have the cigar? (2:01:29) I actually do. (2:01:30) I'll take a picture of it (2:01:31) and I'll send it to you guys. (2:01:32) There's two.(2:01:32) Well, actually there's multiple (2:01:33) because the first time I put it out (2:01:35) and then the second time was me going, (2:01:36) hey guys, (2:01:37) I can put cigarettes out on the back of my hand. (2:01:38) Check this out. (2:01:40) I didn't know that.(2:01:41) I was really drunk. (2:01:42) Really drunk. (2:01:43) That's the kind of crap that I would do.(2:01:45) Yeah. (2:01:45) Just to see if it feels right. (2:01:47) I mean, (2:01:47) sometimes you bleed just to know you're alive.(2:01:50) Is that a sublime song? (2:01:51) I think it's Goo Goo Dolls. (2:01:54) Don't they, (2:01:54) don't they do one? (2:01:55) He doesn't know you're alive. (2:01:57) Yeah, (2:01:57) that's Goo Goo Dolls.(2:01:59) poop poop dolls. (2:02:00) Well, (2:02:00) guys, (2:02:01) thanks so much for coming on. (2:02:02) I don't know how we got two hours out of this, (2:02:04) but fuck, (2:02:05) that was great.(2:02:05) It was great. (2:02:07) Thank you guys very much. (2:02:08) I'm sorry that we curse as much as we do.(2:02:09) Also, (2:02:09) we tend to be a little, (2:02:11) we tend to be loose. (2:02:11) We want to make this fun. (2:02:13) It's all good.(2:02:15) Russell, (2:02:16) that adult hashtag in the XML. (2:02:19) So that I, (2:02:20) yes, (2:02:20) explicit. (2:02:21) Yeah, (2:02:22) there you go.(2:02:22) Big, (2:02:23) explicit on every single one of our podcasts. (2:02:25) Who cares? (2:02:26) Well, (2:02:27) we appreciate it. (2:02:28) Russell, (2:02:28) thank you for your first podcast ever.(2:02:30) Yay. (2:02:30) Do you have aspirations of doing something like Trista does where you have a podcast (2:02:34) that's regular and that you get people on to talk about? (2:02:37) No, (2:02:37) I'm a chronic supporter. (2:02:39) I like being behind the scenes and is not my, (2:02:42) my place to be in the, (2:02:44) in the front of the show.(2:02:44) But he has a lot to say, (2:02:46) right? (2:02:46) Yeah. (2:02:47) I, (2:02:47) I really enjoyed the conversation. (2:02:49) You can have a Mars podcast.(2:02:50) You know that, (2:02:50) right? (2:02:51) Oh no, (2:02:52) please. (2:02:53) What are you doing? (2:02:53) Well, (2:02:54) I'm just, (2:02:55) okay, (2:02:56) fine. (2:02:56) Sorry.(2:02:57) I would try. (2:02:57) I apologize. (2:02:58) Oh my God.(2:02:59) I've got the perfect thing. (2:03:00) Go Polo on Mars. (2:03:01) Yes.(2:03:02) That, (2:03:03) that is what you call it. (2:03:05) Horses or water. (2:03:06) Well, (2:03:06) his last name is Paul.(2:03:07) I get it, (2:03:08) but water polo. (2:03:09) No, (2:03:09) I'm thinking it'd be both. (2:03:11) We, (2:03:11) we, (2:03:11) we crash asteroids to make a pool so they can play water polo.(2:03:15) Okay. (2:03:15) And we have, (2:03:16) we terraform the outside to have grass for the Polo and the Marco Polo reference, (2:03:23) which is the Explorer who connected. (2:03:25) Oh my God.(2:03:26) That's even smarter than the horse. (2:03:28) He's into the pool. (2:03:30) And then they could do the Geico commercial.(2:03:32) Marco Polo's in Mars. (2:03:34) Marco. (2:03:35) Marco Polo.(2:03:36) Marco. (2:03:38) I'm not thinking horses are going to be on the first, (2:03:41) first couple of trips. (2:03:43) Why not? (2:03:44) They did it to the United States.(2:03:46) They brought horses over South America on the fourth ship. Yeah (2:03:50) Nina the painter the Santa Maria in the what the the horse the pony (2:03:56) If you want to ride it, yes, genuine will be on that. There you go show even for secretariat (2:04:03) Brilliant that I like polo on Mars.We just created your own podcast. Is that okay that we you're welcome your podcast? (2:04:11) Play it play it or be it. No Marco Polo on Mars (2:04:16) Let you know if I if I started (2:04:20) You know, well your wife already has all the equipment man, all you do is press record (2:04:27) Well, thank you again (2:04:30) This has been awesome.Thanks. So this is what's great about her. This is what's great about this (2:04:33) So we have said goodbye 50 times.We just can't (2:04:38) And and it's because it's final apologies to the listeners this is not my fault (2:04:43) Oh, you're not gonna take personal accountability for your statements Russell (2:04:50) The inability to close the podcast (2:04:53) All right, guys, I'm gonna sign off hit the music. You're gonna do it man. I'm gonna do it (2:04:58) Thanks so much guys.Subscribe. Have a great day. Follow us review rate all that good stuff (2:05:03) Thank you guys again for coming on.Enjoy that cut out music and we're gonna be awesome