Transcript of my conversation with Spike Cohen 7/2/2024

(0:00) Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Knocked Conscious today. I had the pleasure of speaking with spike Cohen (0:07) He's a founder of you are the power. He'll also be a FreedomFest next week July 10th through the 13th in (0:15) Las Vegas, Nevada (0:17) Log on to freedom fest comm use code conscious50.That's for me conscious50 get $50 off (0:25) Here's Spike. It was a phenomenal conversation. I hope you enjoyed (0:31) Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Knocked Conscious today. I have the pleasure of speaking with spike Cohen (0:38) He is the founder of you are the power. It is an amazing organization (0:43) He's gonna be at freedom fest freedom fest is in one week (0:47) Everybody come to Vegas use the code conscious 50 get $50 off go to freedom fest comm get tickets (0:54) It's gonna be a great time. I'm gonna be there all week. I looked him (0:58) I look forward to meeting spike spike. Thank you so much for joining me today. How are you doing today? (1:03) I'm doing great mark. I'm really happy to be on (1:07) Excellent. Thank you so much for joining me (1:10) It's funny because we were scheduled about a week or two ago and look at what's happened in a week (1:16) So let's just dive right into it man (1:18) So I think we were scheduled on the 26th that would have been a Wednesday and Thursday was a debate (1:22) So let's just start with the debate (1:26) Yes (1:29) On that beautiful (1:32) Well, I put up a lot of memes that describe my thoughts and unfortunately (1:36) I didn't already have those prepared to put up but I I will say (1:39) It pretty much when I I was actually surprised (1:43) I fully expected that we would that the the pretense around Joe Biden still being (1:49) Cogen and and and you know (1:52) Someone who was ready to be the president and still continue being president (1:57) I I was pretty sure that was gonna get knocked away and that you know, I (2:02) Wasn't the two things I weren't expecting (2:04) Was I was not expecting the media to jump in so heavily on saying? (2:11) He's got to go. This is terrible (2:13) He has to go because they had literally been lying about it up to that point (2:17) I mean that you there were someone recently who said, you know, the New York Times three days ago (2:22) And it was an article of them saying, you know, this is you know (2:25) It's a it's all these are all deep fakes and you know (2:28) The conspiracy theory that Joe Biden is isn't you know, isn't coherent or whatever and then like, you know, it was now (2:36) Yeah, cheap.It's not a cheap fake. It's like (2:39) Rejoice the words, right? It's like oh, let's use it out of content (2:42) Just say out of context then if you really want but cheap fake, you know, you got a couple missing words (2:46) Missing context now the missing context is from Joe, but they're correct (2:50) It's missing content, but then to go from that to he has to go. This is terrible (2:56) In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have been surprised (2:58) I have a feeling that that's actually why the Democrats were (3:00) Wanting the first debate to be in June because now this gives them time to try to kind of push him off before the convention (3:07) Which by the way is pretty anti-democratic (3:10) They could have done this a year ago (3:12) but instead they waited for (3:14) The Democrats of all 50 states to weigh in on who they would like to be their nominee (3:19) He won it handily, although they certainly did what they could to try to keep the other candidates from getting any real attention (3:25) But they had a chance to vote for who they did want (3:28) They weren't really given that chance and now they're doing that (3:31) So that was the first thing that surprised me that they they jumped in so heavily (3:34) The other thing was that I was that point if I may if if I may I think I think they get they were given the (3:40) Green light to do so, right? I (3:42) Think I'm holding on (3:44) So like because once again you and I are we look behind the veil, right? (3:48) We have to we have to look behind the curtain because that's where the stuff happens.The stuff doesn't happen (3:53) You know, it's the shadow in the cave, right? It's all (3:56) Yes. Yep. Yep.So watching Joe Scarborough literally two weeks ago or whatever going Joe Biden is the sharpest (4:04) Man, I've ever seen in sharpens and then the next (4:08) Yeah, I have not I mean they had to administer some kind of emergency help assistance because he broke his neck (4:15) Just doing that 180. I mean it is unbelievable. So watching that is really unfortunate now (4:20) I do I will admit some of the strategies good like Joe's my friend.I'm hurting for him (4:25) He's got to go totally different message and he's totally perfect. And then all of a sudden he's not you know, he's he's my dear (4:32) Deepest friend I talk with him all the time and I didn't realize until watching a televised debate that everyone else watched that something was wrong (4:39) Like it's it's in sharp behind closed doors. It's (4:43) Obviously, yeah behind closed doors.He's great. You put that camera on him and it's I had no idea (4:47) He'd crumble like that under pressure. He much just must not be used to it (4:50) so that was the first thing that I was surprised that they'd make such a fast u-turn and (4:56) Basically destroy their own talking points from like four hours ago (5:00) I'm shocked.It was the same night. I'm shocked. They didn't give it.That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah, they literally were like, okay (5:06) Everybody go and you know, you've watched how like with the kovat stuff (5:10) They've had to have this long arch between it's racist to even suggest that kovat didn't come from eating bats (5:18) To you know to well, there's actually a pretty good, you know reason to think that this might have been a lab (5:24) Lee this was an arch over a period of years now (5:27) They don't have that long, but they literally just it was like, oh wow.Uh, wow. He just did that Joe (5:33) It's to he's you know, he's a dear friend of mine and I just realized in this moment that he's actually senile (5:39) um, so the but the other thing that surprised me was how (5:45) Message disciplined and restrained Trump was that was Trump at (5:51) About his best and to be clear, I think just about you know (5:56) If if just about anything else that was running if if chase or RFK or any of them had been on this stage (6:02) I think that you know, they had probably would have would have definitely had the the edge on the debate (6:07) Um, you know, this was Trump at his best (6:10) but it was Trump at his best and he really was it was far more restrained than I than (6:16) Than I was expecting but I think he realized that I think he's looking and he's seeing this guy's crumbling and it's like well (6:21) You don't yell at him. You don't call him names (6:23) you just let him crumble and then go back to what you were saying and I think the one time when he said (6:29) Something along the lines of I have no idea what he just said and I don't think he knew what he said (6:34) That was actually like yeah.No, that was good (6:36) Like if he had kept doing that over and over again, it reaches a point where it's like hey, you're beating up an old man (6:41) But I think like one time he did it one time and it was like yeah, no and and and (6:47) Everyone agreed. It was like yes. I also wasn't sure what he said.And yes (6:53) I'm also not sure that he knows what was said. So he was he was speaking for all of us there (6:57) So I was I was surprised by that that doesn't change my position on Trump or on Biden (7:02) I mean that none of that changes that you know (7:05) Trump as of right now still has the single-term debt record or that he has still signed the largest spending bill ever or that he (7:13) Basically let Anthony Fauci run the country for the better part of a year or any of that but in terms of that debate (7:19) You you figure the people that aren't looking behind the veil as you put it and they're waking up to you know (7:25) Not maybe not necessarily following politics that closely (7:28) This is their first time tuning in and they go Wow, he's gotten way worse in the last four years (7:34) You know, can we trust him to have the the nuclear codes and all of that stuff? (7:40) I think it was went really poorly for Biden. And I think now you you're watching the entire (7:45) media apparatus and the (7:48) Administrative state and the you know, everything that makes up the the power structure in DC (7:56) Realizing Joe can't be our nominee or we're certainly going to lose (8:01) So it's it's a very entertaining to watch as someone who doesn't care which one of them wins.It is very entertaining to watch (8:07) I'm in your boat (8:09) Well, that's what's funny is I look at the how what a difference four years makes (8:13) You know, it's I'm looking at 2020 and when I was talking to buddies (8:18) They're like Joe's gonna calm down Joe's gonna calm down the country, you know Biden's the you know, or Trump's this firecracker (8:27) He's uncontrollable blah blah blah and you're like he's showing signs of dementia (8:32) He's showing them already obvious one. I can show you where these places are happening. Let me show you just a handful (8:39) I'm not I'm not telling you devote an ideology here.I'm talking about this person who's (8:44) Who had a stroke also already like it's not like the person's not devoid of (8:50) cardiovascular and like neurological (8:52) Challenges in his past so and just hearing hearing that here, you know (8:57) Obviously, they're watching the corporate media we call it right and they're just like no (9:02) it's not happening and then all of a sudden like (9:04) you watch this debate and I want to go back to my friend and be like I (9:08) But I you have to come with grace because you're like I understand that they lied to you (9:12) They manipulated what you saw. Can we can we now understand that? It's not you versus me (9:18) Can we understand it's you and me versus them and they're there (9:22) They're lying to us and maybe if someone shares like a little different information that you're more open to it (9:27) Not that you have to agree with it, whatever (9:29) But just to be more open and I find that you you have a really good way of sharing that kind of message (9:35) The people yeah, and that's something I'm trying to share, you know is is is this is the carrot method? (9:40) But it's like not carrot. I mean, it's like different.It's like between the carrot and the stick, you know, I (9:45) Try as much to there's a fine line between (9:50) Doing the endless both sides ism because that can backfire too if any time you approach something you go (9:56) Well, you know, this is true, but this is also true (9:59) Obviously you have to do that at times to have the balance there (10:02) But if you're if you now just look like the guy who's always trying to take the center position that can actually backfire (10:09) Both ways so you can get back fired on from from both sides (10:13) but there has to be a balance between making sure you're not do it because there are some times that it's just one side is (10:17) Wrong and the other side is is right on that (10:21) But on this stuff, it's been relatively easy like with this presidential immunity stuff, and I know I'm probably skipping ahead (10:28) But I'll let's go. Hey, no, it's a perfect. That's a perfect juxtaposition.We'll go into that (10:33) So yeah, what's great is this last week. We had a bunch of different (10:37) Arguments or different opinions come out. Let's start with the opinion of the Trump immunity (10:41) Please share share if you could share a little bit about the core because you probably have a little deeper (10:46) Understanding than most about what it is and the implications that it might that it has (10:50) Yeah for the so for the past several decades (10:52) I think come close to a century now the Supreme Court's the spring (10:57) various Supreme Courts in different cases have taken the wording from the Constitution that says Congress has (11:04) immunity (11:06) Absolute immunity (11:07) And have basically taken that to say well that obviously extends to the president Congress can't do their jobs (11:13) In order and they've used that in other things as well (11:15) So like it says that there are parts of it where we'll say Congress (11:19) Cannot do such-and-such and they'll say well that also obviously means the president cannot do such-and-such (11:24) They're saying the government cannot do this (11:26) And so they're saying the president has immunity from official acts not from unofficial acts (11:32) But from actual official acts, he's taken as president and this has been argued many times a more recent example (11:39) was (11:40) Barack Obama when he ordered the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki and and his family even though (11:49) Members of his family including I believe Anwar as well were American citizens and none of them had ever been charged with a crime (11:56) They just kind of were pretty sure that he was a terrorist, but they didn't have enough proof to charge him (12:00) But they were saying oh, well, we have enough proof to kill him (12:05) He actually he claimed presidential immunity now that ever actually made it to the Supreme Court because they said that (12:13) Awlaki's family didn't have standing because they weren't American citizens kind of crazy (12:17) But they almost certainly would have said yes (12:21) He has presidential authority to do that that he has immunity from that.He has the authority to make that decision in wartime (12:27) and so (12:28) This is not now that's the question that wartime since Congress didn't enact of it didn't actually (12:35) We are always a perpetual state of war not war (12:38) And we've heard this many times. I mean how many times have we heard? (12:43) Multiple government officials both say we are at war and then say well, we're not we're not at war war (12:49) You know it and so I mean that you're wearing a conflict or whatever (12:53) But um, no, it's almost certain that the Supreme Court would have just deferred to immunity (12:58) They anytime all they have to do is say yeah, that looks like it was an official act (13:02) And so that's they basically just reaffirmed that with this and they left it (13:07) They were amended it to the lower courts to determine if any of the things that Trump's being accused of are unofficial and if they (13:12) Are well, then he doesn't have immunity for that. Now.I'm interested to see (13:16) The so is it kind of a kick the can down the road? I mean it is smart (13:20) It is the the correct decision, correct? I mean, it's the correct decision right in your opinion. It's (13:25) So I'm an anarchist in order for government to function government being a violent monopoly (13:31) If the members of that government were not immune (13:36) For the real harms that they cause in carrying out their legal and official duties then government couldn't function (13:45) With that's the only entity we allowed to do that except for big pharma (13:49) That's the only entity we allowed to do that to say (13:52) Oh, yeah, you can't be held liable because you wouldn't be able to function because you're kind of like a murder machine (13:56) That's one of the arguments I make for why government is inherently an act of aggression and is an illegitimate organization (14:03) it's it is a as I like to say it's like it's a protection racket with a flag and a theme song and (14:09) So it needs that immunity or else it would crumble like every other criminal organization every other violent (14:15) So, I mean it's the only difference between that in the end and the Sopranos right is just that they have that ability to do (14:20) They have that immunity. Yeah, so the Sopranos or or the you know, the the the the Gotti family or whatever (14:26) They can go until they get you know (14:28) Enough evidence against them that they end up in prison or you know (14:31) they get whacked by one of their the competing families, but the the reality is this (14:37) The in the position the court is in that is the decision that they had to make now (14:41) I in retrospect, I probably should be glad that people are looking at this and going well, this means the president could kill people (14:46) Well, yeah, that's that's yeah (14:48) And they have and they do say that they have immunity for killing people (14:53) And so I encourage people if you're angry about this (14:56) Read no treason by Lysander Spooner and start going down that that pipeline because the reality is this is nothing new (15:04) The court was simply exercising or you know (15:08) Reaffirming what has always been the case you mentioned them kicking the can down the road (15:12) That's kind of what the the higher courts supposed to do.They're supposed to do whatever possible (15:17) Yeah, remand it back down to the lower courts (15:19) But just make if they have to make any kind of decision at the top as limited of one as possible (15:24) They're they're not supposed to legislate and they're also not supposed to grab cases from the lower courts. They're supposed to really go (15:30) Okay, here's our opinion on this one question now take care of the rest of this (15:35) So even in that they did that right? But what I will say is if this, you know, if you walk away from this (15:42) rightly horrified that the president can make these heinous acts and if they're official and legal acts (15:49) then there's nothing that can be done to them then I encourage you to look into the reality of what a (15:54) Any form of government is including this one (15:58) Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you for sharing on that one.So I've got another one (16:03) We'll go back a little bit to the bump stock one because that's always a fun one (16:06) I love how the bump stock made a semi-automatic into a machine gun all of a sudden (16:14) So could you do me a small favor? Can we dissect what this bump stock pieces like let's define these pieces for people (16:22) Who don't understand? (16:24) Exactly what this ruling is if you could because I do have a follow-up question to that because I was actually in Vegas the day (16:30) Of the shooting. Oh, I was in Vegas the day of the shooting and the day that they shut down for kovat (16:35) And it's just the weirdest things. I happen to be in both days (16:37) So, please share with me that bump stock ruling and what what those implications are (16:42) yeah, so let me first briefly explain what a bump stock is a (16:47) Bump stock is essentially a piece of plastic that when used correctly can assist you in the act of what is called bump (16:55) Firing so you don't actually need a bump stock to bump firing (17:00) To bump fire bump firing is basically an action where and I don't I've tried doing it and I can't so I'm probably not even gonna (17:07) Explain it that well (17:08) But basically if you're able to hold your your your finger and your arm (17:12) Rigid in such a way that when you fire the gun (17:14) It recoils back and forth and your hand your arm and hand stay in the right position and it pulls the trigger again (17:20) You can kind of pull your trick your pull the trigger once and if you do it well enough (17:24) You can let off a few shots pretty quickly (17:26) The aim is going to be terrible because the way that you typically have to hold it is not good for actual aiming (17:33) But if you're having fun at a range or something like that, then you can you know shoot? (17:38) Maybe let off a few rounds my friend Reid Coverdale.He has a video where he bump fires a (17:44) M1 Garand and he goes look it's just nice, you know (17:47) Yeah, and he goes we need to get these bump stocks off the road, but we off the streets, you know (17:52) And we should be firing rifles like this and they go and like I think the entire clip goes it actually pings and the clip (17:58) Comes out of the Garand and every oh, wow. Yeah, so so you can bump fire without one (18:02) This makes it easier now in 20. I (18:07) Want to say 2014, but it was during the Obama administration under the Obama administration (18:12) Ironically enough the ATF ruled that a bump stock did not turn a gun into a machine gun and that (18:21) It in and of itself was not any kind of gun (18:23) It was simply an accessory and that it was legal after the Vegas shooting that happened, which by the way (18:29) I don't think that wouldn't bump firing, but that's a whole other subject (18:32) But after that I want to talk about that for sure (18:35) well (18:35) and you probably will know more than me because I have (18:37) Intentionally not gone down that rabbit hole because I've I've read the stuff and I'm like, oh no (18:42) I'm gonna have to put my tinfoil hat on for this, but it's it's not good (18:45) Like just a few thing.I'm like this guy did not do this himself, but regardless (18:49) Regardless after that happened and this is one of my concerns about Trump (18:53) he did because he did it with Kovac to if the media comes after Trump hard and (18:58) Accuses him about not caring about people and that he's not, you know helping to be he (19:04) Tries to meet them partway or most of the way and so Sarah on he's not he's not always strategy (19:10) He is very I mean, he's populist right? Like he's going to do he wants to be more popular (19:17) Right, right. And so it is and that's look it's funny what under under Obama really quickly (19:23) We'll go bump stop right there the gain-of-function research gone and Assange wasn't convicted like right there (19:30) We're talking about Trump being this Savior and it's not it's not no one's a Savior (19:35) Can we just be honest that no we just have candidates that are humans man (19:39) We got to stop doing this whole like he's gonna save the world save us all. Yeah.Yeah. Yeah (19:44) Yeah, it's it's foolish and and when so, you know, he (19:49) Went where they wanted him to and so now, you know (19:52) They did the thing where they go we want to ban on all of these types of rifles (19:56) And so he met him partway and he started, you know (19:58) Cheerleading for red flag laws and saying well, we're gonna ban these bump stocks (20:02) They make things into machine guns and then he even went and he said under Obama (20:05) They allowed these these machine guns and I'm not gonna do it and it's like no wait (20:09) So so Obama's based like what what happened here? (20:12) And so he ordered the and even funnier is that they it's funny. It's Trump's vaccine.Nobody take (20:19) The second it's not Trump's vaccine. Oh, yes Kamala Harris (20:23) I don't use the machine gun rhetoric that Trump used but they're not gonna use other rhetoric that he would use (20:29) Yeah, right. It's like oh, yeah, let's pick our choose our rhetoric that fits our narrative as well, right? (20:33) Yeah, no, I remember Kamala Harris saying I'm not gonna take it because Trump said it's safe (20:37) but now everyone has to take it and (20:40) Go and or risk losing their job because Joe Biden said which Pfizer never said by the way (20:46) Joe Biden and the media said oh, it's you know (20:50) This will end the pandemic and the only people getting Kovat are the ones that didn't get it's the pandemic of the unvaccinated and so (20:57) But yeah (20:58) So Trump he does this this bump stock may actually orders the ATF to reverse their previous decision and say that it is a machine (21:06) Gun and the ATF goes.All right. Yeah, that's fine. And so what? (21:11) Anything that helps fund that so they can crack down more, you know, let's not kid ourselves like we sell (21:16) You know, it's like we're talking about that today (21:19) But there are so many things we can go into the you know, Oklahoma City and all the different they were yeah (21:23) They were not their arm didn't have to get twisted too much they were more than happy to do it (21:28) They're the ones that have been fighting it and then the in the courts the last few years (21:31) But so with the what is it the cargo decision? (21:33) I believe it was they the courts finally say you had no authority to do that to make this (21:41) Decision and in retrospect it kind of went to show that like we were about to get rid of Chevron deference altogether (21:48) I know it that I know we're gonna be talking about that next but that that would be the lobbyist (21:52) That well that was obviously I think that that you know, they didn't defer to the experts at the ATF (21:59) They went this is not a machine gun (22:01) It's not and you don't have the authority to say that this piece of plastic is a machine gun (22:07) and so, you know, and there's been no legislation that the Congress has not banned a (22:12) Bumpstock and so you can't do that.And so that that was a very good case that that was a good decision (22:19) That's interesting. It's a like tied together a little bit (22:22) Those two tied together a little bit then because you both have Chevron and the bumpstock where you have a three-letter agency (22:29) with the expert right making the (22:33) Opinion on that. Yep, right.Yeah, and then now Chevron (22:37) Takes away that that power or that yep expert, you know, all right (22:42) So well, it's getting a show and there was there was also a there was also a decision that happened (22:46) I believe last year and I'm forgetting its name where they weakened Chevron deference already (22:51) so there was already this obvious like the courts have been saying we don't (22:56) We're going to observe the facts for ourselves and interpret the laws for ourselves because that's our job (23:01) so they were already kind of ending Chevron deference, but what this decision the the Loper bright (23:08) Decision is does is now not only art is the court unbound to Chevron deference (23:14) They're unbinding all the courts all the federal courts to Chevron deference. So I'll explain what Chevron deference is (23:22) Yeah in (23:23) 19 we can we start with can we start with a little guy? (23:27) Can we just start with a little case a little guy how this even happened from my understanding if I may I hope I'm not (23:32) In over my head, but wasn't the initial argument where they were gonna charge a fishery (23:38) They were gonna have them pay the salaries of the people observing them or something (23:43) They had been since 20. Okay, so they had me.So this is what this is what the fight was about, right? (23:49) Yes, so so you could share that because like once again, this is like a little guy going up against like, you know the man (23:55) Right. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. Well, this is so Loper bright Enterprises is a (24:00) family-owned fishing company and (24:02) They were being charged (24:06) $700 per day (24:08) By the NMFS and I think it's the National Marine Fisheries Service, but it's at the NMFS and (24:16) the thing was (24:18) They had no authorization to charge anyone anything for the monitoring services (24:22) They started doing it in 2013 because their budgets weren't as high as they wanted them to be and so they just decided to start (24:29) Charging and they saw other regulatory agencies did that they would just start charging or start creating new (24:34) Regulations to raise money or changing the fee structure and a bunch of other things that they didn't have legal authorization to do but under (24:41) Chevron deference, they would say we're the experts (24:43) This is what we need and so you have to defer to it and this has been going on for 40 years now (24:48) So here's what Chevron deference was (24:53) in (24:54) 1981 this is a this is a rabbit hole to go down because this also answers this whole for all the people right now (25:00) We're saying Oh Chevron deference now that they've ended this all these (25:04) You know big greedy corporations can put shrapnel in our chocolate milk or whatever like they're talking about EPA (25:10) EPA EPA EPA EPA the EPA can't protect us anymore (25:15) Chevron deference actually allowed the EPA to not protect us. So in 1981 the EPA (25:23) changed their (25:24) Changed the Clean Air Act's definition of sources of air pollution to favor (25:31) Favor heavily polluting companies like Chevron and a the NRDC the National Resources Defense (25:38) Council (25:39) They filed a federal appeal saying they basically changed the law (25:45) they've they've said that they've changed the definition of sources and (25:49) It's illegal and the DC Court the DC Circuit Court agreed with him and actually said yeah.No, that's true (25:55) And then the Supreme Court looked at it and said well it is true that they changed it (26:01) But they're the experts and so we have to defer to them and that's why it's called (26:05) It's called Chevron deference because they were deferring to the agency. That was violating their own rules to favor Chevron (26:14) So it's lit it was literally they were deferring to the big businesses that had captured these regulatory agencies (26:20) It's right there in the name and these people are so angry that Oh Chevron. It would be like say (26:26) Oh, well without you know, big greedy fat cat deference who's gonna protect us from the big greedy fat cats (26:32) So for the last 40 years since that decision in 1984 (26:36) Whenever any of these things came up very often the captured regulatory agencies (26:41) Doing the bidding of the big companies and destroying the smaller (26:45) Companies with rules that they had never even been given and they made up themselves.The courts would go (26:50) Well, you guys are the experts. So we're just gonna defer to you that ended on Friday and (26:56) We haven't even begun to see how oh because then the other thing that happened on (27:03) Monday we got hit with the second part of that one-two punch. So it's your piece, right? Yeah six year (27:09) Okay.Yeah, so a lot of people are saying okay (27:12) Yeah, Chevron deference is gone (27:14) But they can only go back six years because that's the statute of limitations six years from when these laws were created (27:20) Well with the corner post decision the Supreme Court went now it's six years from when you had the damages (27:26) So I'll give a little here's another small small guy victory (27:30) corner post was a small North Dakota truck stop and (27:36) they were facing and I'm forgetting what it was now some kind of (27:40) Regulation. Oh, it was the the swipe fees. So the Federal Reserve has been setting swipe fees since it was like (27:45) Swipe fees wasn't it or something? I think I think you talked about that one.Yeah, it was it's I think it's 21 cents plus (27:52) plus X percent, but they've set these very specific swipe fees and (27:57) Because they're not letting the market set the swipe fees (28:00) the swipe fees are a lot higher than they are in literally any other country every other country the the (28:05) Retailers or the the merchant companies have had to reduce their swipe fees to remain competitive (28:10) but here they can keep it here because the the the Fed is the Federal Reserve is controlling it and (28:15) so (28:17) Corner post. I mean you want to talk about a small business corner post said well (28:22) That's not fair and the lower court said doesn't matter if it's fair you started in 2018 (28:27) They started doing this in 2011. So the statute of limitations is over and the Supreme Court went (28:32) No from now on it's the it's from when the damages happen (28:36) So now not only have they ended with Chevron deference now with ending that making it so that it's the statute (28:43) Limitations is now from when the damages were done (28:45) They can go back all the way this past 40 years of Chevron deference.You can go back a hundred years (28:50) You can go back 200 years if you can show that damages are being caused by an agent in the last six years (28:57) Yeah (28:59) To you in the last six years. It don't matter when that passed and that is (29:05) possibly (29:07) Bigger than the ending of Chevron deference because Chevron deference only goes back 40 years (29:11) This is gonna go back to when the frickin Constitution was ratified. And so it's that is (29:16) huge and that to those two things together are (29:21) Arguably those two things combined are arguably the biggest decision that has been made by the Supreme Court in my lifetime (29:28) It's definitely one of the biggest ones with those two combined.We are about to see it's gonna take a long time (29:35) We didn't get here in a day and then we're not gonna end it in a day (29:37) But that is going to send a ripple effect through the courts (29:41) The likes of which we have not seen you think that Bruin had some had some long tails to it (29:47) This one is going to be huge and we are going to begin to see what I think is good (29:52) This is going to be a very long (29:54) Drawn-out scaling back of the administrative state through you know a death by a thousand lawsuits (30:00) So I I'm very very much looking forward to watching this happen (30:05) I think it's gonna be very nice and it's interesting you mentioned that because from the late term we hear government (30:10) I mean you hear most people government's gonna help right and what you find over as a as you get older and get and get (30:18) More experience like I'll be 50 this year. It took me a long time. I was a neocon (30:23) I had a t-shirt that read.Hey, Saddam this goods for you (30:26) I'm not like I probably still have it somewhere, you know, it's probably up in a closet somewhere (30:31) But yeah, you know I was in I enlisted in the military (30:34) I failed the physical and the last guy last doctor, but I was all in ready to go and (30:41) Like Tucker like probably like yourself, man (30:43) You know those lies just could that last straw of lies just broke broke it all open for me (30:49) So I had a cognitive dissonance in the last ten years (30:52) I'm trying to figure out where I land right like I'm just trying to figure out a home in some way (30:58) yeah, so I come out of that and (31:00) I (31:01) Don't and I just lost my trains. Oh, so we come out we see the government (31:05) We think the government's here to help us. Yeah, and you're like no the people don't want a different size government (31:10) They want a different style government.That's all the left and the right want the same. They want government. They just want it different (31:17) They want more not they want right and more regardless or government.Yes. Yes, absolutely (31:22) And the second they get it they just glum on and cannot let go and it's like have a little patience with it (31:28) You probably get more if you would have just like relaxed and like eased into it a little bit, right? (31:32) So you see this but so you hear regulations and you think oh the regulations are here protect us (31:38) But you and I over time realize that the regulations are only done by corporations through lobbyists to keep other (31:46) Competition out not to protect the people from the regulation because if that really mattered the brakes on that train (31:54) Wouldn't have been from 1800 (31:56) Well, it would actually been Mormont or whatever, you know (31:59) What exactly and what's what's nuts is that it's already baked into the rhetoric, right? (32:05) So you'll hear people not just on the left (32:07) You'll hear people on the right say this as well where they'll say, you know, these big fat cat corporations. They own all these agencies (32:14) Yes, and so that's correct.And then they'll go so, you know, we need these agencies to you know, really regulate these corporations (32:21) The agencies are run by the corporations (32:24) Right, you already know that I'm not even arguing that with you (32:27) And so if I bring that up and you say well, yeah, but that's because they're not regulated enough (32:31) Is it is that what it is? (32:33) Or is it that those regulations happen to benefit those big businesses? (32:39) and so this is what I'm trying to explain to people is regulatory capture everyone should know what that means and what it what it (32:45) Indicates as well what it implicates the implication behind it (32:49) if you are a corporation and (32:51) You find out (32:53) That there or you know that there is this agency or agencies who have the ability to? (33:00) Regulate you out of business (33:03) Then it is incumbent upon you to build relationships with those agencies just to survive (33:10) But what happens over time just like anything else you get more influence you get more power and then you realize I own this (33:17) Agency or at the very least I'm a sponsor of this agency (33:21) They need me and so now not only are you wanting to survive? (33:26) But you realize instead of just trying to serve the market serve your customers and your clients (33:33) You also if you put a little aside to serve these people and put some investment there you get back major (33:41) Returns on investment you spend your ROI on that billion is back. Oh, yeah. Yeah.I saw the number (33:47) I think it was something like six million got the billions back. I mean it is ridiculous (33:51) What's some of it's got and it's guaranteed it's not even like well (33:56) It depends on what the mark if you put it in you're getting it back (33:59) And so what happens is now they own these agencies (34:03) Which means that they create these massive regulations regulatory burdens which they can virtue signal is to you know (34:10) We need to be protected. We need guardrails in this industry (34:14) what they're doing is they're destroying their smaller competition by making the barrier to entry to even just be able to be compliant and (34:21) Legally do business in that industry so high that most people can't afford it (34:25) Which of course drives up the cost for everyone including that big company, but they can eat it.They can afford it (34:30) They're bigger (34:30) They have they can they have the the the revenue to be able to do that (34:34) And so they make things more expensive for everyone and they also destroy their smaller competition (34:39) Which means there's less competition which means they can charge more anyway (34:42) But it gets even worse than that. They can through their regulation through their relationships with those regulatory agencies (34:49) They can create mandates for their for their goods and their services like OSHA like the big pharma did through OSHA (34:56) Mandating your vaccine man job in order (34:58) Yeah (34:59) That's one of them and that was also one that they didn't even have to try to go and get Congress to do it (35:04) but then they can go even further now that they've got the experts in the (35:09) Agencies that they've taken over and their pockets they and their lobbyists who very often swap roles (35:15) Go to DC and go to the state capitals and they walk in hand in hand. Oh, they live there (35:22) Go there from there from there a (35:25) Brownstone that's three blocks up the road.They walk over to Capitol Hill and have dinner with their friends that the (35:32) politicians that they sponsor in Congress and in the White House and state capitals across the country and in other countries as well and they (35:38) Go, you know, we need some subsidies. We need a Green New Deal. We need whatever it is.We need you know a bailouts (35:45) We need all of this stuff and the politicians go (35:47) Yeah, just keep funneling us that PAC money and we'll do it (35:50) And so and this is another thing the people especially on the left, but even on the right as well (35:55) They'll say things like there's way too much money in politics and you know, they're owning all these politicians (36:01) Those politicians need to really start regulating these corporations. They own them (36:06) It's it's you are that's why they own them if there wasn't that regulatory structure (36:13) Then they wouldn't give a crap about the the agencies (36:16) Because if the agencies were really just making sure nothing too terrible was going on (36:20) They would focus on serving you so they'd get your money. There's nothing there for them.They can't destroy their smaller competitors (36:27) They can't get subsidies and bailouts for themselves (36:29) They can't get they can't get mandates that you have to use their product or they'll ruin your life (36:35) They don't those agencies don't have that power to do that. So they basically leave them alone (36:39) Yes, they'll still have relationships with them and they'll they'll try to you know (36:42) play on the edges as much as they can but they're not it won't be as incumbent upon them to capture the (36:47) agencies because there's not really anything there for them and so and it won't be worth the (36:52) Expense and the resources to try to take them over if literally all they're doing is just calling balls and strikes (36:57) So instead they'll just focus on serving you and if the agencies because again going back to that EPA decision (37:04) If the agencies don't have the authority to just make things up (37:08) Then you can actually hold them civilly accountable when they do harm you because the agencies don't have the ability to look the other way (37:15) so Chevron ending deference to Chevron and (37:20) other major polluting companies is (37:24) Good for us. It is a good thing (37:27) Right, I would agree and it's funny because when I hear Chevron because you hear Chevron deference and you hear these names (37:33) and to your point once again, I'm (37:36) Where I've come to is I'm at the I've realized that it's all blueprint manufacturing of consent (37:43) So I'm looking at every media and I watch a story.I read a paper and I'll use an example (37:50) Michael Jackson's a great example (37:53) Okay, 1995 (37:55) AJ Benza was a I think it was in New York Times, but basically Harvey Weinstein (38:00) They were about to put out an article on Harvey Weinstein in 1995 (38:05) That's 20 years before he was actually (38:08) actually (38:09) Convicted or whatever caught or whatever? Yeah. Yeah (38:13) Instead AJ Benza and he has gone on trial to say it and that's why Michael Jackson was not convicted of anything by the way (38:18) And once again, I started on the other side. I'm not gonna lie (38:21) I was compelled to change my mind, but watching the blueprint on how they laid that on him (38:26) AJ Benza gets a call to put in a Michael Jackson story that was fabricated and (38:31) That allowed 20 years (38:33) 20 years of Harvey Weinstein just that one article replacement just that one (38:37) Wow changed all of it and then you look and you lay that blueprint over everything, right? (38:43) So I went to Chevron deference (38:45) I started looking you know, cuz I knew I was gonna talk with you and try to catch up and keep up, right? (38:49) So I watched I see Velshi on MSNBC a year ago and you can just tell how they talked about it (38:56) What they wanted it to be? (38:57) Yep, right (38:58) so like (38:59) one of these things that I'm trying to do is like you like you talk about not I don't have that centrist mentality because I (39:04) Do have a side that I'm on it's ours, right? (39:08) Yes, but how I can share this with people like you explaining that regulations aren't to help you as a person (39:15) They're to keep out competition for these other companies (39:19) Google and and Facebook did not want regulations in the beginning (39:23) That's how they got the first stuff to that's how they got away with in the beginning that what is it? (39:27) 230 right or paragraph two third so and now they want the regulation because that will keep other people out (39:33) You know what? I mean? (39:33) Yeah, so so what I love is watch so watch this difference a year ago (39:38) Watch how the different different news organizations talk about these things and that lets you know (39:45) What side they're on because of how they talk about it because I don't listen to the story anymore (39:50) I listen to how they spin it like because it's all there.It's their narrative. They're trying to tell us, right? (39:55) Yeah, so like it is just a different way of looking at those things to expose right to pull back some of the veil (40:00) Well, and I'll give it that's exactly what it is (40:03) And I'll give an example on the other side just to show this is not a it's not a one side or the other (40:08) This side that there actually it is there isn't there the binary is freedom or tyranny (40:13) And so I remember when the narrative especially when all the the censorship information was coming out (40:19) But we didn't quite yet have the tie directly to government (40:22) It was obvious that it was being directed by government, but we didn't have those smoking guns, you know (40:27) Twitter files hadn't happened Twitter files hadn't happened. Yeah, so that hadn't happened yet (40:31) And so I saw a lot of Republicans (40:33) They were starting to bang that drum and get like you said the manufactured consent for ending section 230, you know (40:39) These companies are acting as publishers not as platforms.And so they should you know, they should be liable for it (40:45) I said deep and I would tell people I'd say okay. First of all (40:48) This is obviously the government is leading this even if Facebook and Twitter and the you know (40:53) The the progressives that are running them are perfectly fine with it (40:56) This wouldn't be happening like this if the government wasn't doing it (40:59) So first of all, let's focus on what the government's doing and and that before we talk about giving government more power (41:05) Second of all, what do you think Facebook's gonna look like if they can be sued for anything that happens on their site? (41:12) That's illegal. You won't be allowed to put up pictures of your own dog (41:16) What are we talking about like you think that's gonna make it freer and to be clear a little background all section 230 is (41:23) Section 230 simply says that a website is not in and of itself (41:27) liable for (41:29) Something if they were a website platform is not liable for any (41:33) Criminal or civil liability for anything that someone else puts on their website (41:38) So if someone puts a bag of weed on eBay and eBay doesn't catch it fast enough or someone puts you know (41:46) They'll put they'll say (41:47) You know a tote bag (41:49) But you know, it doesn't they're actually selling weed and eBay doesn't know that or even beer and guns beer and guns (41:55) They can't get through sometimes sometimes those commercials do get sneak through the algorithm (41:59) Yeah, and they can have things in place to try to stop it (42:02) But if something sneaks through or if on Facebook someone defames someone else and then gets found in court that they were being defamatory (42:09) Facebook can't be sued for a (42:12) Social media site that didn't have section 230 (42:16) Would be a social media site where you effectively I mean you think the controls are bad now (42:22) You'd have to prove with each thing you put up that you weren't violating any laws (42:27) It would be the level of censorship.It's unworkable. It couldn't happen. They fight in court.It couldn't happen (42:32) It would obviously it would at some point it was (42:35) Outside of like five people chatting on a text. It's literally not scalable even at five people on a text (42:40) It's going to be tyrannical and and burdensome. It's it's it's effectively impossible.You wouldn't have social media (42:47) You wouldn't have most websites (42:48) So I was trying to explain that to people but then I saw what happened then I saw that people on the left started (42:54) saying it too and (42:55) Saying what they would say is not we need to end section 230, but we need to reform it (43:01) We don't need this jungle social media that's happening out there (43:05) And then you started seeing the social media heads going and the big tech heads going. Yeah, we do need some (43:10) Guardrails here and it's like no they're about to do a giant rope-a-dope (43:15) They're gonna try to do a giant rope-a-dope where they get to do stuff (43:19) But because they can afford the millions tens of millions hundreds of millions that will cost to comply (43:25) Which means that costs are gonna go up for you more ads for you less access for you possible mandatory fees for you (43:33) but the smaller competitors the what the rumbles the the (43:38) Odysseys the the floats the gabs the whatever (43:41) They're gonna have to go away because they can't afford the barrier to entry (43:46) You will have a much less free internet and this is why I encourage my friends on the right (43:52) remember the the lessons from the Patriot Act and the authorization of use of military force and (43:59) all of the stuff that came in at post 9-eleven and the no child left behind Act and (44:06) All of those things that you were told we're gonna make this government be accountable to it to the people (44:11) No (44:11) It's not (44:12) Every time you give government a new power (44:15) Even if you agree with the pretext behind why they're saying they need the new power (44:19) Even if you agree that that thing they're talking about is a legitimate threat (44:23) What you are giving them is a gun (44:26) with the promise that they'll never point it at you and (44:31) If you think they won't not a problem (44:33) Even promise that they don't even probably doesn't they don't even say anything. You're right.Actually, you're right. No writing about it (44:39) They don't even just don't couldn't use it on you. We wouldn't (44:43) It's actually you're right.It's not a promise (44:45) They actually just never mentioned the fact that they're going to immediately turn it around again. That's don't tell (44:51) About all the guns they currently yet. Don't ask don't tell exactly don't ask me if I'm gonna point at you (44:56) I'm not gonna tell you if I'm gonna point about you.Anyway, I'm now I'm pointing at you (45:00) Think of all the guns they already have pointed at you (45:02) Think of how the Patriot Act which was literally written to stop these specific terrorists who are responsible for 9-eleven (45:09) Has been used to try to go after school parents who showed up at school board meetings (45:15) And now if you agree with what those parents were angry about (45:19) But then still want to give that government more power to deal with that (45:23) Remember that that's the government that was trying to call them terrorists (45:27) How do you think they're going to use it if instead (45:31) Anytime you see a threat before you want to give government a scintilla more power (45:37) Look behind it and see how did the government make this worse? (45:42) Because if you look at that thing and say I want government to have more power (45:46) You are (45:47) Substantively the same as the person that looked at kovat and said we need to listen to the experts in the government who are telling (45:54) us to lock down (45:56) That may not have been the thing that scared you or you might have seen that for what it is (46:01) But if you see another threat and it might be a legitimate threat or a legitimate bad thing that needs to be dealt with (46:06) And if you're looking at that and instead of looking for the way that government created that or made it worse instead (46:12) You're looking at how government can protect you from it. Then you're falling for the same thing that the kovat Ian's did (46:19) Yeah, exactly. It is funny because you do watch once again.I grew up very Republican Reagan (46:24) I mean since 92 I voted elephant (46:27) At 92, that's it. Boom. Boom.Boom. Boom all the way along and this is my first election (46:32) I'm I'll share with you. I had a conversation with Recton Wald in December and (46:38) I found him to be principled (46:41) Like him he came from a completely different (46:44) Ideological thing and realized that no vacuum per nothing's perfect (46:48) So we have to let it all happen because we had to we just basically have to let it all happen (46:52) So we have to filter it out through humanity.I mean, that's basically how we got to figure it out and (46:58) he come from the left and I came from the right and it's like (47:01) But I find that principle and then if I may just pivot slightly to the Libertarian Convention (47:08) yeah, I actually was gonna run for Congress in Ruben Gallego's empty district where he's running for Senate and (47:14) I had started no political party and the way it's in Arizona is the number of signatures I needed as an (47:20) Independent was three to four times. What I need is a Democrat or Republican (47:24) Yeah, and about six times what I need is an end as a Libertarian (47:28) Yeah, so I changed political parties for a minute talk to someone at the Libertarian Party (47:32) But then it didn't seem completely galvanized organized and this is 22 (47:36) So it's it wasn't yet (47:37) You know (47:38) I mean kind of again like you had recap you'd started with Dave Smith and Clint and everybody started really building again (47:43) But it wasn't there yet (47:45) And I'd already kind of backed out because I like I saw those (47:48) obstacles of where I'm already gonna have to sell my soul and how early in the process I'm gonna have to and it's like I (47:57) can't I (47:58) Can't I am NOT one of those people that say I can work within the system. I either fight the system (48:02) I can't fight within the system.I'm not just one of those (48:05) I think I have to fight the system out from outside the system and that's why I'm not a registered libertarian anymore (48:10) I went back to no political party (48:12) Look that said that said rec sold me (48:15) I was in on Clinton rec if I had known about obviously if I'd known about you I knew about Joe. I (48:21) Wasn't sold on Joe, but I obviously if I'd listened to you, I probably would have been very been like, okay cool (48:25) That I would've been compelled (48:28) But and that's nothing against Joe. It's just I didn't know her that well if that makes sense and I didn't know you that well (48:34) but I talked to rec and then we get to Libertarian Convention and (48:38) You break it down you vote for you vote for Angela first on Friday when you could have had a candidate now (48:46) It's my opinion.That whole thing was (48:49) Was orchestrated was strategically done (48:51) Because from what I hear everybody was saying stall stall stall as long as you can the quest I watched that live (48:58) I watched the votes 1 through 7 and I were 7 or 8 7 with 7 against Noda and (49:03) When I watched the questions that were being asked to Angela like where the bathroom is and all these weird question where people were walking (49:10) Up to the podium just I'm like are these real and I I didn't know about the shenanigans yet (49:16) I just you know, I mean, like I said, I just yeah (49:19) It I see rec round 1 2 3 4 5 boom and now I'm not I look chase is a (49:27) Workhorse, I'm not gonna take anything away from his work ethic or term at or anything else (49:31) but I'd love for you to paint a little bit of shade into kind of what you your thoughts on how it went and and (49:39) The overall kind of takeaway from it. Yeah (49:42) So the first thing I want to say is and this was something I planned to do no matter how the convention went (49:47) so this was all this is not because of the outcome or anything and and chase knew that rec knew that everyone knew that but (49:53) the (49:54) Because of my work with you or the power which is a nonpartisan (49:58) Nonprofit organization and because I'm increasingly the face of that not of any political party or campaign or anything (50:04) But I'm the face of that. I have wanted to increasingly (50:08) Personally get away from being involved even even personally (50:12) Obviously the nonprofits not involved at all (50:14) But even personally being involved with supporting or endorsing or working with any campaigns any candidates or any political parties? (50:21) I'm certainly still happy to work where we have common cause and to talk about (50:25) Issues and I even will still talk about where I agree and disagree with politicians on specific things (50:30) But I'm very careful never to try to tell someone you should vote this way or I'm going to be doing supporting this or voting (50:36) That because I would much rather focus on the work.We're doing that you were the power (50:39) We can we can talk more about that in a bit, but oh and I love talk about that. Yeah, absolutely (50:43) Yeah, no, we'll talk about that. We can talk about that next if you want (50:45) But what I will say is this first of all the shenanigans always happen at every convention (50:50) That's that's baked into the cake.Whoever wants to stall on the tribe of the tribalist. Are you kidding me? (50:55) We can we can we uh, can we it's got it's cold in here. Can we say it's hot now? (51:01) It's hot like I mean, it's it's this is always point of order.I think that we need to (51:07) Do this in this order and then Angela's like we are doing this in this order. No, I'm pretty sure (51:14) Pretty sure they said that we're not doing that in that or like so when I they wanted me to come up and give a (51:19) Speech it took 10 minutes for them to introduce me because people kept getting up go. Hey, wait, whoa (51:25) It's hot in here like it was it was insane so that but those shenanigans that was on Saturday (51:31) actually, no that was on Sunday, but (51:35) Those that part of the shenanigans was actually happening in Saturday (51:40) everyone agreed or seemed to agree that after spending a day fighting about who was even going to be allowed to be seated as a (51:46) delegate that (51:48) That we were not that we were gonna pick chair first (51:50) What I was saying was whatever you got to do to figure out who you're seating and not seating go ahead and get that done (51:56) And then pick your candidate because on Friday Bobby Kennedy's gonna be here put our candidate and all the media (52:03) That's only gonna be there for Kennedy's gonna be there and then they're gonna leave and then all the media that's gonna come for (52:07) Trump is gonna be there have our candidate not a straw poll winner from a debate the actual (52:13) Candidate and when Bobby and his people are if there were those rubber chickens saying to Trump debate Bobby go no debate our guy (52:19) Too we just picked him (52:20) Okay, and they not only I watched I watched wrecking term on against Bobby and I watched that empty debate from a couple months ago (52:28) Already, I watched Bobby completely be nothing but just little talking points with zero substance behind it (52:35) He's done and I'm I don't know term on very well (52:38) but I can at least speak he spoke to the things that that you and I would have spoken to at least much more clearly and (52:44) More eloquently than then it Bobby Kennedy did it would have been beautiful to watch (52:49) Yeah, your candidate go debate like Kennedy and and so here's that opportunity when we've never had before having all this national and international (52:58) Media there and when they're saying what do you think about Bobby Kennedy? Put your candidate there? Don't have them asking (53:03) I got I was being interviewed by like BBC and Reuters and all this (53:07) Where is our candidate which we didn't have one yet? (53:10) And if we had had a candidate I would have said well you need to be speaking with I'm the I'm yesterday's news (53:15) Four years ago VP candidate you want our presidential candidate name and they wouldn't have been coming to me (53:21) They would have been coming to the candidate (53:22) They were coming to me because I was the last one to be nominated for something here right at the national level (53:26) So they're like, I will ask you (53:28) So it was a great and missed opportunity (53:31) but the reason that happened was because both sides agreed that the most important thing was to stop the (53:37) Existential threat to the party.That was the other side (53:41) We have a duopoly inside of our party (53:44) But we have a duopoly in the country because we have a duopoly in any democratic system (53:49) Democracy the the democratic process of choosing people (53:54) chair (53:55) candidate president Senate Congress governor, whatever that very process (54:03) Requires people to look for because in order for so let's say you and I are running for something (54:08) okay, and let's say that we agree on ninety nine point nine nine percent of things and our character our (54:15) Values are ninety nine point nine nine percent aligned. We both chose to wear black shirts for this show (54:22) We are so we're almost our beards are almost identical. We're literally close to the same (54:29) Yeah, get your glasses.Yeah, this is we are as close to the same people as possible (54:34) But if we're running for something even if we're the best of friends (54:36) We went to each other's weddings. We built a treehouse together when we were children (54:40) But now we're running for something and in order for me to try to say why they should vote for me instead of you (54:48) I have to focus on that point zero zero one percent of difference between us and so do you and not only that (54:56) But we have to try to say that that's actually really important (54:59) It doesn't seem like it's a lot but it's actually a really big deal and it's why you should vote for me spike instead of you (55:06) Mark, or you mark instead of me spike, right now that might start (55:11) One issue a big deal. The entire election is the biggest deal (55:15) ever you choose ever between us is (55:20) So important and that rhetoric necessarily has to get worse over time because you have to keep people's attention (55:27) Especially if there's no real discernible difference between us (55:30) We have to offset that with theatrics (55:32) And so but but even before we get into the theatrics and and all of that (55:37) we are (55:38) necessitating the creation of a fault line based on our differences and (55:42) encouraging people to choose one or the other side of that fault line because (55:46) Democracy is a conflict machine.There must be a loser (55:52) Keep in mind. I didn't say there must be a winner. There must be at least one loser.Someone has to lose (55:58) Right and so (56:00) tyranny of the majority, right the tyranny of the majority or even the tyranny of the of the loudest minority sometimes right or the (56:10) Culturally culturally the squeakies wheels seem to have gotten very all the things culturally for sure very awesome. So what? (56:17) No, so good (56:19) No, I and so the point is (56:21) When that happens and especially over time the longer you have to do this before you get together (56:26) Whenever you get together before you go and fight your common cause together (56:29) Someone's got to lose (56:31) Someone here has to lose and the other side gets to win and we get to say that we won and you lost (56:36) Over time that creates this duopoly nature of things (56:40) It creates this you have to choose between faction a and faction B (56:44) Look at the rhetoric between the two factions in the Libertarian Party (56:47) They're almost identical to the rhetoric between the Republicans and Democrats (56:51) The people in this faction say that this factions a full of a bunch of white nationalists and and racists and that's objectively false (56:58) Are there some jerk there's probably some over here, too (57:01) But that's not what they all are and then this faction says that this faction is full of a bunch of woke (57:07) Degenerates who hate everything our country stands for and hate our culture. Well, that's objectively false (57:12) There are there some that would qualify? Yeah, probably on both sides again, but there's there's that's objectively false (57:18) But that's literally what Republicans and Democrats say from about each other (57:21) Meanwhile, we look at Republicans and Democrats and the vast majority of them look identical.Are there weird shrill people on the fringes? (57:28) Yeah, absolutely (57:29) but in the in for the vast majority of people that you wouldn't even know unless they told you and so all of that to (57:34) Say this is what happens and over time it gets worse and worse and worse and and and what we're seeing in this party (57:42) Is identical to what we're seeing in the country every time this faction takes over (57:47) Much more visceral and angry and vengeful and vindictive and then every time this side takes over there (57:54) it's more and more terrible and the thing is the difference between the party and the country is you can't leave the (58:00) The you the only way you can leave the country is by moving, right? (58:03) Like you can't just go I opt out of this but you can opt out of the Libertarian Party. You can go (58:08) Yeah, it's too much. I can't do this (58:10) And so I think that's what's happening and I think it's actually the opposite of Liberty Liberty requires (58:15) Respecting people as individual human beings the democratic process of choosing who's going to be in charge does encourages and necessitates (58:25) collectivization (58:26) dehumanization to some extent and and and forming these fault lines and and (58:31) Forcing yourself to collectivize and to collectivize others is the opposite of respecting people as individual human beings (58:38) You don't even look at them as individual human beings and eventually you don't even look at them as people.They're abstractions (58:43) They're what you hate. There's nothing good that comes from them the other nothing bad that comes from us (58:48) They're the other and so I am increasingly not just not wanting to be involved in party politics (58:52) I'm increasingly convinced that the very electoral process itself (58:57) impedes Liberty and (58:59) Harms Liberty because it forces us to do a thing that goes against the very nature of what Liberty is which is individual human respect (59:07) individual self-ownership personal autonomy private property rights (59:10) All of those are born from individualism. And if what we're engaging in is (59:15) necessitated forced (59:16) Collectivism, I won't even say forced collectivism because we're choosing to do it if it's necessitated (59:22) mandatory collectivism (59:24) How does that feed Liberty? I'm not sure that it can (59:28) Yeah, that's a great point.And I'd love to talk about that. You mentioned respect and and I watched your (59:35) You did a 20-minute lecture or something at pork fest at pork fest. I think it was (59:41) I (59:41) Do you have a great time there? (59:43) I you know (59:44) So we hopefully we could talk to spin and you could spin us a couple yards when we meet (59:48) But so you were pork fest and you gave this thing about Kurt (59:50) Respect and it's funny because I gave I did a podcast with a buddy of mine (59:55) You probably a couple two three years ago, and it's not about respect in my opinion if you could follow me here.Sure (1:00:01) Sure. It's my opinion. It's courtesy (1:00:04) Because courtesy is the base thing and what happens is I think that as humans we've conflated courtesy and respect (1:00:11) So that when we think we don't respect the person because we don't agree with them (1:00:16) We don't need to be courteous to them either.So like all of it goes out the window, right? (1:00:21) Like the hand and glove it's like why would I hold the door for someone? I don't respect. Well, no (1:00:27) Yeah, you should hold the door for something because they're behind you and that's courteous (1:00:30) And right when you hold the door for them and they thank you that's the closure of the contract (1:00:36) That's how the currency work. Anyway, good, right and here's why we have that courtesy and (1:00:41) And this will help to show the definition of respect that I'm using we do that because we respect one another as individual human beings (1:00:47) And and I should say this and ourselves if you're saying right we respect ourselves and ourselves (1:00:52) So it's respecting the fact that they are an individual human being so it is not respecting that part (1:00:59) We may not even know that person (1:01:01) like I said in that speech the vast majority of people I had to come into relative close contact with and interact with the tens of (1:01:07) Thousands of people that I was in near proximity to in the three airports.I had to visit just to get to, New Hampshire (1:01:14) Um, I didn't I will never see (1:01:17) Almost any of those people ever again and I had no idea who they were (1:01:19) I might not have even really looked at them. I was near them and might have known of their presence (1:01:24) But I can't respect who they are right like I don't I don't even know who they are (1:01:30) But I respect the fact that they're individual human beings if I'm walking and I see an ant on the floor (1:01:36) I don't go. Oh, man, I better walk this way.So I don't accidentally step on it, right? (1:01:42) I'm not gonna do that with a human being because I (1:01:45) Respect that they are an individual human being (1:01:47) I'm not going to do a lot of different things to a human being that I wouldn't care were happening to (1:01:52) To you know some other creature because they are individual human beings (1:01:56) this is an intrinsic thing that we don't even really talk about because unless you're a sociopath or a (1:02:03) Criminal or psychopath or politician unless you're you're you know, one of these things then you don't even really think about it (1:02:10) It's it's it's and and we often have a hard time explaining it (1:02:13) So, you know a lot of people say the basics of libertarianism are don't hurt people and don't take their stuff (1:02:18) Well an edgy enough person could say why? (1:02:22) And you go well because it's wrong and they go who says it's wrong. Why is it wrong? (1:02:25) What if I want to and you say well, but you shouldn't do it (1:02:28) Yeah, why shouldn't I and then you might get into saying? (1:02:30) Well, you know (1:02:31) I have a religious belief that that you shouldn't do that or you know (1:02:34) They'll the law whenever we're appealing to the law the law says that you shouldn't do it or or just basic like you said basic (1:02:40) Courtesy says that you shouldn't do it and they go. Yeah.Well, I don't agree with that (1:02:43) So, uh, why should I have to do that? These are the ego is talking right? Why should I have to do that? (1:02:47) I'm outside. I'm outside your laws. I got my (1:02:52) I do what I want (1:02:53) And if I if I don't do it to you, it's because it's in my basic self being perceived self-interest to do so (1:02:58) There's an argument to that.I say it's that for the vast majority of people for virtually everyone again people who are not sociopaths and psychopaths (1:03:05) And criminals there is this basic intrinsic level of respect that each of these people are individual human beings and it is through that (1:03:14) respect and that that intrinsic (1:03:17) Expectation of respect from others that were able to thrive (1:03:20) Look at the places what that are high in crime or places that you know (1:03:24) Like war zones places where people are scared to go outside or scared to even look into the sky (1:03:29) Because they're afraid there's gonna be a drone or a bomb there (1:03:32) They can't thrive there. They can't prosper there (1:03:35) They're certainly living not living in harmony (1:03:37) And I if they're able to have any kind of happiness in their lives (1:03:41) It's by sheer miracle and by sheer force of will to do so the more respect (1:03:46) We have for one another the more respect that we can reasonably expect from other human beings in our relative proximity (1:03:53) The more prosperous we are the more happy we are the more harmonious we are and again (1:03:58) This is something intrinsic that we all understand. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people have this weird set-aside (1:04:04) where we say (1:04:06) Well, yeah, but the government can do these things (1:04:09) Now the government is just a bunch of people (1:04:12) So and those exact same people and I talked about this in the speech if a (1:04:16) politician or a bureaucrat (1:04:18) outside of their capacity as a government official were to do these same things as (1:04:23) Individuals, we'd have a problem with it.If I let's say I'm a politician. Okay, I'm a I'm a congressman and if if outside of my (1:04:31) Capacity of I'm just walking down the street (1:04:33) I am a congressman, but I'm not acting in an official as the Supreme Court just said in an official capacity (1:04:39) I'm not taking an official action the way the finger guns in the wink if you're (1:04:44) Official action and so let's say I walk up to you with with a gun and I say give me what's in your wallet and (1:04:53) I might give some of it back to you if I think you deserve it (1:04:55) but I'm probably gonna keep a good bit of it and (1:04:58) You know, it's gonna happen. If if you don't give it to me, you might pull out your gun and shoot me you might (1:05:04) Knock the gun out of my hand and fight me you might run away (1:05:07) You might call for help or you might even comply, you know, if you're like, you know what? It's not worth my life (1:05:12) I don't have a gun on me whatever and but you didn't do so because you thought it was a good idea or because you (1:05:17) Said well, you know, this is how our society run (1:05:18) You're doing it because you don't want harm (1:05:21) Right, and so if you do choose to do it or you might fight back and you don't go.Wow. What I'm doing is very (1:05:26) you know (1:05:28) Revolutionary, but you're just you're defending yourself from someone who's not respecting you as an individual human being (1:05:33) They're imposing themselves on you because they're not seeing you as a person. I'm seeing you as something I can take money from (1:05:39) but if I then turn around and get back into my capacity as a congressman and I announce that I'm (1:05:44) Entering a bill that's going to fund all of the needs that people have or some specific need (1:05:50) But I'm not just giving money out to everyone (1:05:52) I'll give it to you if I think that you absolutely need it based on these, you know, I will be taking it (1:05:56) I will be taking it from everyone (1:06:03) The implied there is that (1:06:06) Yeah, it's gonna be rough for you.If you don't you know, if you've had to deal with the IRS (1:06:09) They don't even have to threaten you (1:06:11) they send you nice pretty letters because they don't have to tell you what will happen if you if you don't comply and (1:06:16) when that happens, even we we might put that in the same category as (1:06:21) Someone robbing you but we don't treat it the same way, right? Like we're allowing that to exist, right? (1:06:27) Every April 15th, we do say we're getting robbed as we lick the stamp as we lick the envelope as we put it in the frickin (1:06:36) Yes, we're getting robbed and we still just voluntarily slip it in there, don't we? (1:06:41) Yeah, but we we even acknowledge we're being robbed, but we still treat it differently now (1:06:45) We're treating it differently for the same reason that you might comply with me holding the gun to you because we don't want the harm (1:06:50) Right, but most people go. Well, you know, what about the roads? This is our social contract, you know, it's our civic (1:06:57) Yeah, my roads, you know, whatever and the thing is they don't know any better and yet me (1:07:03) Robbing you with the gun is not nearly as harmful as me the politician announcing my incredible new plan (1:07:10) That's gonna cost you that's once again. You do it on scale (1:07:13) I'm right (1:07:16) One everybody I do it to everyone.It's almost like it's like the government's here to to (1:07:21) It's like to share the misery. It's not to make anything better (1:07:25) It's just to spread out the misery over more people. It is a it is a protection racket at an impressive scale (1:07:31) It's literally just that and so what I'm what I try to do in my messaging and through the work that I do with you (1:07:37) Or the power is to pull that as you put it that veil back and go (1:07:41) these are human beings that are not treating you like human beings and (1:07:46) Misery will ensue as long as we don't expect to be respected as human beings and the work (1:07:53) We do what you are.The power is to find those visceral cases where no one's gonna disagree with us that this is wrong (1:08:00) So if I may now, that's a great pivot to you or the power (1:08:03) I'd love for you to share (1:08:04) Could you share a little bit about you or the power and then I have actually a quick question about one of the actual (1:08:08) Things I think it was a Cincinnati nourishment (1:08:11) Something for nourishment. I saw (1:08:13) somebody (1:08:15) Yeah, and Dayton, Ohio was okay (1:08:17) If you could share about a little about you or the power and then I have a question about that one and then we could (1:08:21) Continue from there (1:08:22) Sure, and I in a bit we can talk about that in a couple of other causes to give examples of what I'm talking about (1:08:28) but you have the power is an organization where we find people that are being abused and (1:08:35) Disrespected as individual human beings by their local and state governments (1:08:38) We bring it to the public so that they can join us in (1:08:42) Fighting for those people to get the justice and respect that they deserve and we keep fighting (1:08:47) We keep going after these public officials and demanding they do the right thing (1:08:51) Until they do the right thing and we don't stop until we win and we win a lot (1:08:55) We are having at this point close to a 90% success rate on the causes that we have (1:09:01) That's awesome (1:09:02) I'd love to talk about the nourishment thing and the reason I say that is because I grew up in Philadelphia and I work in (1:09:07) a catering company and (1:09:08) I've got weird stuff. We were like a really top tier catering company.I have a napkin from Trump's princess yacht (1:09:16) When Ivanka was like eight years old and oh wow (1:09:19) My mom comes home from doing a catering job on the boat and she goes (1:09:23) This girl has this remote control in her bedroom and it does everything it had all these buttons on it (1:09:28) She was like, this is like the 80s, right? (1:09:30) So like yeah, that's what we grew up with (1:09:32) So I rubbed elbows with some interesting people but like behind the scenes because we worked obviously catering, right? Yeah (1:09:38) yeah, we had leftover food left and right and (1:09:41) They would not allow us to give it to it we had filet we're talking filet like 20 $30 a pound (1:09:48) Yeah, we just have hundreds of pounds of it and they would not let you do it because it was cooked already had to be (1:09:54) Raw uncooked because of the legal claims and all the regulations. It's like you have a whole (1:10:00) Like Philadelphia has a pretty decent. You know what anyone can be fed (1:10:05) There's there's there's mouths to be fed everywhere.Yeah, and if there's that much food left over it (1:10:10) Baffled me how much we had to either, you know throw out and whatever (1:10:13) So I'd love for you to share a little bit about a story like that and the restaurants would be happy to give it away (1:10:19) I live in Myrtle Beach. We have just about as many restaurants as full-time residents here. It's not quite that but I mean we have (1:10:26) Hundreds I've been there.I'm familiar of (1:10:28) Restaurant and they have and so many of them are buffets (1:10:32) They make too much food by design so that there's never anyone (1:10:35) You know that that doesn't get every single thing that they wanted to get at the buffet (1:10:39) There's a psychology to that actually because they don't want to have an empty bin (1:10:42) They actually overflow the bin so that you pick from it because if it's an empty bin, you won't pick from it (1:10:46) It's it's you don't want it. Exactly. Yeah, no, it looks it looks like picked over and stuff (1:10:51) But now if you add more now, it's not picked over (1:10:53) And so they know there's always gonna be food like they'd be happy to hand it to people (1:10:58) They would be happy to maybe they don't do it themselves (1:11:00) But some group comes around and picks it up and goes good (1:11:02) They'd be happy to do that and that food is every bit as safe as you know, anything else (1:11:06) It's gonna be good (1:11:07) They let you take it home as leftovers and leave it on your counter and eat it the following day because you forgot to put (1:11:12) It in the fridge, that's fine (1:11:13) But if an hour has already been regulated by the by the grading system (1:11:17) You already had in the restaurant in the first place already been regulated (1:11:20) It's already been everything and yet if you try to give it to someone then (1:11:25) They're the health people are gonna come out and here's what it comes down to it comes down to two things (1:11:30) One is they want that fee they want you to pay some kind of fee to get the approval now (1:11:35) You already paid a fee and you already paid taxes (1:11:37) But they want you to pay another fee for the health board to now approve for you to give it to someone outside (1:11:43) The same food that was safe in here and that you even may even have a license to sell here (1:11:48) But now you need another license and more permissions to give it to someone over there (1:11:55) It's insane.So that's the first thing but the second thing is something that's been happening more recently and that's what happened in Dayton, Ohio (1:12:01) That's what happened in (1:12:03) In West Virginia Clark now, what's I'm forgetting the name in West Virginia in Gastonia, North Carolina in (1:12:12) Columbia, South Carolina (1:12:14) these city governments are (1:12:17) You know because there's this homelessness crisis (1:12:19) And so what these city governments are doing is they're making these multi million (1:12:24) sometimes tens of millions of dollars contract with (1:12:27) Charities and NGOs to come in and fix the homelessness crisis (1:12:31) And of course because they want to get more of that money every year. They're not actually gonna fix it (1:12:35) They're going to actually order NGOs are a great example of what we're the exposed what we just found how oh, yeah (1:12:42) It's sex trafficking sex trafficking the NGOs down there all those Catholic, you know (1:12:46) Catholic organizations that are just funneling millions of dollars to just bring people over. It's (1:12:52) It's all the NGOs that are bringing people.Yeah an NGO (1:12:55) That's like all these NGOs the end the word NGO (1:12:58) It's like people do not know what an NGO is (1:13:02) What an NGO implies is that it is a it is a non-profit that gets it's not (1:13:08) They're only real donor (1:13:09) they're done and the reason that they're that they're differentiating is because their funding comes from the government, but they're (1:13:14) Non-government or private partner part of private public partnership or whatever (1:13:19) But really what it is is it's a swindle not always not always and many of them come in with the best of intentions (1:13:25) But what's happening is once they start getting that money and they go wow (1:13:29) We get more money every year and all we have to do is still have this problem next year (1:13:34) Okay, and so but what happens is so if I if I'm a politician (1:13:38) I need you the taxpayer to be cool with giving me more money or me running up a bond (1:13:43) Or we're taking federal money that I could be using for something else and using it for this instead (1:13:49) But there has to be a crisis and (1:13:51) If if groups like nourish our neighbors or friends feeding friends or be kind be great (1:13:57) Or or any of these other faith hope and love any of these other organizations that we've that we've helped if they're doing it using (1:14:04) Voluntarily raised money their help. They're not just feeding these people. They're helping them get back on their feet (1:14:09) they're helping them get clean and helping them get mental health help and they're helping them find jobs and (1:14:15) Actually solving the homelessness crisis at its core I lose my grift (1:14:21) Now again, I would never how many six-figure jobs how many six-figure salary jobs are to solve homelessness? (1:14:27) How many have increased and homelessness is only gone in one direction and that's because you got to keep your job (1:14:33) Just like when prohibition you came out of prohibition (1:14:36) You had to find a new enemy and you got the reefer madness and you shifted (1:14:39) Yep, you shifted from that to hemp and hemp and cannabis and that's just how it is (1:14:43) This is these are the grifts of the other government and it's like it's not to say that I don't want to help someone just (1:14:48) What you don't believe in the government because they want to help people.It's like no, I'd like to help you as a human (1:14:53) I don't need to government as a middleman to help you as a human being and the and the government as an organization because their (1:14:59) Funding comes through theft. Not only do they not have to prove that their work that what they're doing is working (1:15:05) They actually it inverts it it perverses it. They actually have to do the opposite (1:15:09) They have to show it's not working and that they need more money (1:15:11) and so it creates a perverse incentive to either make problems worse or (1:15:17) Sometimes just create problems or just allow them to get worse (1:15:21) But you have to snuff out anyone who's making it better now what at its core we can look at the perverse incentive (1:15:26) We can look at the NGOs (1:15:27) We can look at all of that but at its core if those the government if those human beings that make up the government (1:15:35) Looked at those homeless people as human beings (1:15:39) Individual human beings and they saw these other human beings in these charities that were helping them get back on their feet (1:15:46) The only thing they could possibly think is wow, that's great. They but they don't see them as human beings (1:15:52) They see these people as a funding opportunity (1:15:55) They see these people as someone that they can grandstand on their suffering and make sure that it's permanent (1:15:59) so they can get more money and more funding and more personnel and more power and they look at these people as an (1:16:05) Obstacle to that these people are gonna mess my grift up (1:16:08) I better threaten to throw them in jail and we've seen this over and over and over again (1:16:12) now the good news is (1:16:14) When you bring this to the public the vast majority of people just about everyone looks at and goes that's not right (1:16:22) And we go. Yeah, you're right. It's not right, but we're not just here to make you mad (1:16:26) Here's who you contact to tell them to back off. I (1:16:32) Should call it the swarm method because that sounds better than cyber bully, but I is what it is (1:16:36) And we say hey here are their email addresses here are their phone numbers here is where they're going to be having their meetings (1:16:42) So if they don't listen to us online by the thousands (1:16:45) They can listen to us in person by the hundreds and then we keep doing it. We do it peacefully. These are human beings (1:16:52) We're actually trying to get them on our side, right? They're also human beings. They're not abstractions, but (1:16:58) We're not gonna stop until they do the right thing and we're gonna apply more and more and more pressure (1:17:03) So that's what we're doing on that side on that side (1:17:05) We're getting people to respect that they always should have gotten on the other side (1:17:08) We're finding people who just want to help others and say here's how you can help others (1:17:13) I'm not trying to sell you a political ideology or a philosophy at the words libertarian rarely escape my lips with any of this stuff (1:17:20) I'm saying here is a human being who is being disrespected and here is a wording template (1:17:24) You can use to contact all these officials to help me with it. Oh (1:17:28) Here's how you can help. Oh, here's another one. Here's another one. Here's another one and here's another one (1:17:33) And so we're actually bringing people in and they're becoming effective advocates for their own (1:17:37) freedom and liberty and human respect and for those of other people and they might still vote for AOC and Bernie Sanders and Trump and (1:17:46) MTG and whoever else (1:17:47) But they're getting on our side. They're adopting our principles and over time (1:17:52) That's gonna work its way all through them. Maybe it doesn't maybe they continue to be our political opponents everywhere else (1:17:57) Which means that the worst-case scenario is that we have leveraged our political opponents to join us in doing effective activism that spreads the the core (1:18:07) Libertarian when I say libertarian, I don't mean the party. I mean small LD a little (1:18:11) Libertarianism the core of libertarianism. They are spreading it in their day-to-day actions and they feel empowered by it (1:18:18) That's what we do what you were the power (1:18:21) That's an absolutely beautiful message and we should close it on there because it's that's a perfect closure time for that (1:18:28) And to just to put a bow on it, you know, it's interesting because I think everyone who gets into the government (1:18:34) It's like it is true the road of road to hell is paved with good intentions.I think most people go there's homeless people (1:18:40) Oh my gosh, my heart my heart breaks for them and then you're like, I'm gonna do something about it (1:18:44) So I'm gonna go and I'm gonna get into the government. You probably don't even look at the first salary (1:18:48) You don't even look at you're like I'm going in for the homeless problem (1:18:50) but then you're like you start getting these dinners and you get into these clubs and now you're getting this little status elevation you get (1:18:57) Now you're captured and it's just yeah, it's it's fun if I may just very quickly is I (1:19:04) Think that a lot of conservatives look at the competency that creates the power (1:19:08) But they don't look at the corruption that comes out of the power and I think that the left looks at the power and the corruption (1:19:15) but they don't look at the competency that gets you to the power to the first place because yeah a lot of people don't (1:19:20) Recognize like competency does get you the status to a level of power (1:19:26) It is then that the power then corrupts (1:19:28) That's why those checks and balances need to be all the time (1:19:31) Yeah (1:19:31) and if we could just all agree that (1:19:33) Competency does exist power exists and corruption exists and we all agree that all three of those exist in some way (1:19:40) I think we could (1:19:42) At least tackle some general issues a lot better (1:19:45) But to that end is like like I said (1:19:47) The left looks at power and corruption and the right looks at competency and power or a competency equals power in a way (1:19:53) They don't ever really look at the corruption part, you know, because that's that's you know (1:19:57) It's for someone else to deal with but that's it's kind of my view and spike. Thank you so much for your time today (1:20:04) I'm so grateful for it.I'm so much looking forward to talking with you (1:20:08) I hope we can talk a little bit when we get to freedom fast (1:20:12) Everybody next week freedom fast. Yeah freedom fast. Yeah freedom fest comm and what's your code? (1:20:18) I have a code but I don't even remember it's conscious.Oh, mine's conscious 50 for 50 off (1:20:22) So if you have one that's better, I think mine was I want to say that mine it was something 50 (1:20:28) So it was probably the exact same. It was something 50. So just use conscious.Okay, so it'd be conscious 50. I'm just 50 (1:20:34) Just and just to let people know what freedom fest is (1:20:37) So freedom fest is a gathering of Liberty lovers of every stripe from not just around the planet around the country around the globe (1:20:45) But there are gonna be people from other countries there (1:20:47) There's possibility that Javier Malay is gonna be there (1:20:50) There's some they're they're not quite sure but he may be there ice tea is gonna be there (1:20:54) Rob Schneider is gonna be there Kennedy. The the host is gonna be there.There's going to be a third party presidential debate (1:21:01) That's gonna be taking place there (1:21:03) Robert Kiyosaki is gonna be there John Mackey the founder of Whole Foods is gonna be there (1:21:07) Steve Forbes is going to be there (1:21:09) Maj Torre is gonna be there Mark Pulse is gonna be there spike Cohen's gonna be there (1:21:13) Justin Amash is gonna be there. All of these people are gonna be literally like (1:21:18) Possibly what's that? (1:21:20) Brett Massey might be there as well. He should be moderating the debate.Oh Thomas Massey. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah (1:21:25) Michael Schellenberger, we talked about Twitter files and Brett Weinstein who I'm trying to get to talk with cuz I'm just like bombarding them (1:21:33) Just begging them for a conversation Dell big tree. There are gonna be so many people (1:21:37) It's like we can literally go on Frank Holmes the first between cryptocurrency. I think yeah mark.Yeah (1:21:42) Yeah, the so I go to all of these I go to a bunch of different groups and organizations (1:21:48) With it, there's none of them that have the sheer number of people that are going to be there (1:21:56) It's as I'm talking. I'm thinking of other names, but I'd literally be here all night (1:21:59) There's like literally it's got to be close to 150 200 speakers that are gonna be it is (1:22:04) Just literally open it up. Yeah there.Yeah go to freedom fest comm you'll see all of them and they and it's not just they're up (1:22:11) On a stage they're walking around we're doing panels and going back and forth between stuff (1:22:16) you can easily strike up conversations with all the people that are on that list and (1:22:21) And I mean you can literally spend your whole time just talking to a bunch of you know (1:22:26) All these, you know Liberty celebrities and just people in that orbit incredible event (1:22:30) If you can be there freedom fest comm use conscious 50 to get $50 off (1:22:35) Absolutely incredible event. We'd love to see you there and I look forward to seeing you there (1:22:37) Um, if you want to follow what I'm doing at you are the power and I just scratched the surface of what we're doing (1:22:44) We're reuniting parents with their children. They were (1:22:47) wrongfully accused of abuse and (1:22:50) Railroaded through the family court system.And this is apparently a systemic problem (1:22:54) That's surprise surprise being caused by perverse incentive and how it's being funded. We're really talk about that (1:23:00) I remember you mentioning that one press we can talk about that one next time we talk as well for sure (1:23:04) I'd be happy to we can maybe do a short one at freedom fest about that (1:23:07) We are doing also people that are having their home stolen with eminent domain abuse people that are having zoning abuse used against them (1:23:14) That are having their businesses taken from them all sorts of things (1:23:17) we find these people and we fight until the government backs off and they get the respect that they deserve and in doing so we (1:23:24) Invite people to join us not just to help that family and that family and that small business and that individual but to join us (1:23:30) In this movement of fighting and demanding that we'd be respected as individual human beings (1:23:35) And if you want to join us in doing that go to you are the power dotnet become a member today (1:23:40) we'd love to have you do that and (1:23:42) If you want to follow what I'm doing, I'm easy to find on the internet. I'm everywhere.Just look for spike Cohen (1:23:47) You know, I'm very loud (1:23:49) If anything when I get there, you're always hear me screaming (1:23:52) Okay, fine spike home, but I was looking for this other thing (1:23:54) So it won't be hard to find me (1:23:56) If you go to spike Cohen comm we have a list of all the upcoming events that I'm doing including freedom fast freedom fest comm (1:24:02) But yeah, if you're if you're looking for me, I'm easy to find if you ever get lost (1:24:05) Just go to the ATF's page on whatever social media platform you're on and I'll almost certainly be there cyberbullying them (1:24:12) And thanks again for having me on man. I'm glad we were able to finally get this to work and I can come on (1:24:17) I'm so grateful and and thank you for (1:24:20) Continuing to be patient with me even though your chain your schedule changed because I can only imagine how crazy yours is getting so (1:24:26) I'm I'm grateful because like I said, I'm new in this space. I have a quick quick freedom fest story if I may (1:24:32) 2022 it's mirage.I'm on it. I'm on it. I'm with my girl.Is it 21 or 22? (1:24:36) I think it's 22 22 is the mirage with my girlfriend (1:24:39) We go about five six times a year we drive up from Phoenix so I happen to be down at Mirage (1:24:44) We're going to Calico's Heritage Steakhouse phenomenal prime rib, by the way, and it's now gonna be the hard rock (1:24:49) They're changing over. So I'm sitting there and all of a sudden I see all this signage up and it turns out it was freedom fest (1:24:54) I'm like Steve (1:24:55) Yeah (1:24:55) What and all sudden all these pops up and all of a sudden one of the things lets out and all these people pour out (1:25:00) I'm looking at my girlfriend and I'm like, oh my gosh shaking and I'm looking at her and I don't know what to do (1:25:05) And she's like what's wrong with you? (1:25:06) And I'm I'm like what and and I go I go I go down. That's it.I go. I'm coming here next time (1:25:12) It's in Vegas. I'm coming here and I had no idea.So so (1:25:16) Flash-forward obviously to now you came out of Memphis and there's freedom fest. I'm like, oh freedom fest is in Vegas this year (1:25:22) I'm like, oh there they have a thing called media credentials. I'm like, I have a podcast (1:25:26) Let me just check so I go to see if I could get me to credits because obviously there's a little discount (1:25:30) But you're obviously doing work and doing this other stuff, right? (1:25:33) So I put it in and Valerie is so kind to accept me for (1:25:38) Really? They love podcast.Yeah. Yeah, so and I I get her on the podcast (1:25:44) So she so I've got a whole freedom fest page with about 10 or 12 people (1:25:47) I've already spoken, you know with whom I've spoken already and it's just amazing and it's just so open (1:25:52) So I've invested like three grand in equipment and everything (1:25:56) I am all in and I am awesome (1:25:58) I'm at the bottom of the Venn diagram trying to get to the Venn diagram to the next Venn, you know (1:26:04) And up, but I'm there. I'm you know what I mean? I'm all in and it's like (1:26:08) Meeting the people who are looking to do this in an open way.This is the way to do it (1:26:13) It's not through government and through policy. It's through (1:26:17) Community for sure. Thank you so much for sharing your time because it's truly your gift reaching down to me (1:26:24) I just have to elevate so you don't have to bend down as far (1:26:26) That's that's my job right is to keep elevating up the steps.So look we all did it. You did it, too (1:26:32) You had a starting point, right? (1:26:34) Since we're talking about how you have to elevate just to reach my you know being in my orbit (1:26:38) Let me I'm gonna share a story with you. Um (1:26:41) Just to tell you how important how big of a deal I am and how great I am.Um, I (1:26:49) Whenever I'm up (1:26:50) Doing these like speeches and stuff like that (1:26:53) I've learned to always wear dress socks and it's just a weird thing because like otherwise, you know (1:26:58) You might move the wrong way in your ear ankles off and you look like you're just some schmuck standing up there (1:27:02) So I'm I've been told that I'm going to be speaking (1:27:07) after after (1:27:09) Ron Paul (1:27:13) before Ron Paul after Ron Paul (1:27:17) Ron Paul's opening for me (1:27:19) It's not (1:27:20) Yeah, yeah, he's he's he's so I'm gonna be the guy after him no pressure, of course (1:27:25) And so I'm thinking well, I'm a really big deal because you know Ron Paul speaking and then I'm speaking (1:27:31) I'm putting my my my socks on and (1:27:35) I (1:27:35) Against early. It's you know early in the morning getting ready and (1:27:39) I'm I'm I'm putting on the socks and I realized that I've put on this sock and (1:27:46) This dress sock and then I put on the other one and as I'm putting it on I realized that (1:27:51) It's not the same like the the the patterns not the same (1:27:56) Which means it must be inside out (1:27:58) So I put it the other side out and I put it on and then I go (1:28:02) Wait, now the thread now that the seam there is sticking out. So that must be (1:28:07) Well, maybe this one's off wrong (1:28:09) And so I put the other one and I do that and I don't know that seems out to this goes on for (1:28:15) Felt like longer.We're probably just a couple minutes and then I realized those socks weren't matched (1:28:21) and (1:28:22) You know (1:28:22) I mean (1:28:22) I went ahead and put them on but that was a very humbling experience of remembering like no schmuck you you like can't put your (1:28:28) You can't like pack your socks, right? (1:28:31) You know, yeah, you're not the big deal. You think you are (1:28:34) So if you if you feel like you're having to you know, raise elevate yourself to be in my presence or whatever (1:28:39) Just remember my socks may or may not match when you meet me (1:28:44) Let me if I may clarify that (1:28:47) Once again, that's an internal thing that I think everyone should be better to try to elevate to reach the people that are trying (1:28:54) Let me put it that way. I don't mean it like in in an idolization kind of way (1:28:59) I certainly admire what you're doing, but I'm certain we could have disagree in that point 1% of things (1:29:05) You know what? (1:29:05) I mean (1:29:05) but my point is like that in turn it's an internal thing for me to reach up because like for example like I'm trying to (1:29:10) Reach out to some people who I just missed, you know (1:29:13) I had just about to have the conversation and then these last two months three months.They just blew up, right? (1:29:19) It's like yeah (1:29:20) Completely now I have to do three. I have to take three jumps just to catch up to half of where they know what I mean (1:29:25) Yeah, and it's it's not a complaint. It's it's it's the passion right? (1:29:29) This is because the work the Overton window must be moved and I am just grateful for you to share your time (1:29:35) And I think because you believe in the the ideas of that that you're willing to share your time with anyone who's willing to (1:29:42) Speak to it.So thank you again. I'm really grateful. I appreciate it.Thank you, man (1:29:47) I have a great night and stay on after this, but we'll cut it real quick. Thank you everybody. Have a great day (1:29:53) Thank you for joining not conscious and get to freedom fest July 10th through the 13th.Take care everybody