Roaming Through Sound & Story: The Roaming Bandits’ Musical Odyssey (Consciously Unmasked #8)

Step into a world where music meets myth, and steampunk blends with the Wild West. In this episode, Jason & I sit down with Roman Garcia, the creative force behind The Roaming Bandits, to explore the evolution of this unique music project—from its humble beginnings as a one-man endeavor to a collaborative force investing in independent artists. We’ll dive deep into the ambitious concept album The Roaming Bandits Vol. 1, uncovering the stories of its four enigmatic characters, the internal struggles they face, and the dark force they must unite against. Get ready for an immersive conversation about music, storytelling, and the boundless power of independent artistry.

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(0:00) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone to a new Consciously (0:06) Unmasked, masked, conscious, unconscious. (0:11) We’re still unconscious from last night, apparently. (0:13) So welcome.(0:14) Welcome. (0:15) We have Jason down here. (0:18) We have me over here and then we have, we have this gentleman.(0:21) This is our guest Roman Garcia, everyone. (0:25) Thanks for having Roman Garcia of the roaming bandits. (0:29) Welcome Roman.(0:31) Thank you. (0:31) Appreciate you. (0:32) Thanks for having me.(0:33) Welcome Jason. (0:34) What’s going on guys. (0:35) Yeah.(0:36) If you guys have been watching my edits of the Consciously Unmasked (0:39) podcast, you’ll know, you’ll recognize his music at the beginning. (0:43) Dystopian future. (0:44) A very good, very good song.(0:46) It’s a little bit different than most of your stuff though. (0:48) I think it’s, uh, it’s got that futuristic vibe when a lot of it’s (0:52) maybe more, uh, Western type, I wouldn’t say country, but how would (0:56) you, how would you describe your music? (0:58) You got a lot of different styles going on. (1:00) Yeah.(1:00) Yeah. (1:00) So yeah, Western has been an influence for me and I’ve been (1:04) told I sound pretty Western. (1:05) I mean, I have all kinds of different influences from Pink Floyd to, uh, you (1:10) know, uh, more jam band kind of stuff like fish and, um, uh, some, some funkier (1:16) stuff, uh, that one was easy because I didn’t have to do as much of vocals for.(1:20) So it was nice using a text to, uh, to vocal editor or converter to, uh, to do (1:27) the vocals for that. (1:28) Um, and then it was like pretty much, you know, they’re, they’re great. (1:31) They’re just one take wonders.(1:33) Meanwhile, I’m, I’m doing like 50 takes for vocals, guitars, all that stuff. (1:37) So, uh, but the process is what I love. (1:39) Um, yeah, that one was interesting.(1:41) It was, it was, um, it was definitely something growing up in the eighties (1:46) and nineties, you see all these, uh, dystopian movies and things like that. (1:49) And then you start kind of like thinking you’re living through some of that and (1:53) you’re like, okay, maybe I got to put something out there that, um, that, that, (1:57) uh, kind of warns people like, Hey, you know, maybe we’re heading to a direction. (2:02) And I mean, who knows who’s going to lead us there? (2:04) Right.(2:05) You know, when it comes to politics, it’s like, you know, you might be, you (2:10) might be pushing for legislation that is going to be something that you’re like, (2:15) this is what my beliefs are, but come down the line, somebody is going to take (2:18) over and they’re going to use that legislation for their own, you know, good (2:24) or bad evil, mostly when it comes to government. (2:27) But, um, so yeah, it’s, it’s, uh, it’s an interesting, so I really liked the, (2:30) the ending with the, uh, with the, uh, weird, uh, I mean, maybe not weird, (2:36) but, uh, the solo at the end. (2:37) And if you have headphones on, on that one, uh, towards the end, you can see a (2:41) lot of my, um, messing around with, with production.(2:44) So that’s one of the other things I really love besides just playing music (2:48) and creating the actual songs is I like, I like, uh, the whole process of (2:53) recording and mixing and engineering. (2:54) And so I’m learning a lot of that from my buddy, uh, uh, Jake Nolan, (2:59) who’s helping me produce. (3:00) Uh, he, he produced volume one for me and now we’re getting a lot more involved (3:04) with, uh, with volume two, which is going to hopefully come out later this year.(3:08) It’s currently in the recording phase. (3:11) That’s awesome. (3:13) Yes.(3:13) It’s volume one is very good. (3:15) Uh, you can definitely tell the production is stepping up with each release you do (3:20) and going back to the catalog and it’s great. (3:22) And I really love the trumpets on there too.(3:24) Do you do that yourself? (3:25) No, I got my buddy. (3:27) Um, he goes under the name, uh, pop Billy McCracken, super talented guy. (3:33) He plays like all kinds of instruments.(3:35) So he’s helped, he helped me in volume one. (3:37) We met on, on, uh, X or Twitter, whatever you want to call it. (3:41) Uh, he reached out to me, he’s like, Hey, you know, I see you’re doing (3:44) bass on, uh, on a MIDI.(3:45) You want me to throw down some bass for you? (3:47) And then next thing you know, he’s playing piano on a night at the (3:51) saloon, which is a fun song. (3:53) And you probably recognize a lot of those people, um, mentioned (3:56) in that, in that song, Jason. (3:59) Um, but you know, he throws trumpet down and that, that gives (4:02) it really the Western flavor.(4:04) Um, which I kind of fell into. (4:08) And some of my buddies were like, your music is kind of Western, but it’s not. (4:12) And I’m like, yeah, you know, maybe I can go that route.(4:15) I can go like CCR kind of like that stuff. (4:17) And maybe I’ll give it a little bit of a Spanish flair as well. (4:21) Uh, which I’ve started to do.(4:22) I’ve started to write more songs in Spanish as well. (4:25) Oh, are you incorporating like nylon strings going forward? (4:28) Then you think with like a little bit of the mariachi type piece? (4:30) Yeah. (4:31) So I, you know, I was talking to my buddy Jake about that.(4:33) I’m a producer. (4:34) Um, just, uh, just yesterday, uh, I played, yeah, I played classical guitar. (4:40) Jason understands when I say that stuff.(4:42) But anyway, uh, I, I, I play classical guitar. (4:45) I don’t play, uh, your standard acoustic, um, metal strings. (4:49) Um, I’ve always, I always have, I like the, uh, the fatter neck on it.(4:53) Um, it gives, I have, I have a lot larger fingers and so it gives (4:57) me more room to, to move them around. (5:00) Uh, and, and being from Spain, I used to play more classical music, (5:03) uh, more Spanish guitar and things like that. (5:05) I just love, love that, that, that influence that I try to bring in.(5:09) So it’s, it’s one of the things, uh, that w I think it brings a signature (5:13) to the sound is when you hear the acoustic guitar, it’s a classical (5:16) guitar, which is not, uh, it has a different sound. (5:19) Yeah. (5:22) I got to try that, man.(5:23) Cause when I try to play, teach myself a little bit of guitar, my fingers, (5:27) they’re just too fat. (5:28) I fat finger the strings all the time. (5:30) So maybe I’ll try that.(5:32) Three. (5:33) You’re like a behemoth, man. (5:34) Like you need a Sasquatch guitar, bro.(5:37) I’m a big guy. (5:38) Yeah. (5:38) Do they make like XL guitars for big? (5:40) Yeah.(5:41) Yeah. (5:41) There’s different kinds of, uh, next you can use. (5:44) But I have sausage fingers like these guys, you can’t do anything.(5:50) Yeah. (5:51) I played piano as a kid, but man, I’ve been out of touch with, (5:54) with music for too long. (5:56) I’m going to get back in it.(5:58) Yeah. (5:59) It’s nice. (5:59) I, like I said, the, the process of creating something like you, you, you, (6:04) uh, and my repertoire of like what I listened to is it’s very extensive.(6:09) Um, I, and I don’t remember half the bands I listened to. (6:12) I just like find stuff online and I start listening to it. (6:15) Um, but the process it’s, it’s what I really love, like having (6:19) something pop into your mind.(6:21) And next thing you know, you’re like developing, developing into a product (6:25) or not a product, but, uh, but, uh, you know, a piece of art that then you (6:29) can look back and say, oh, that, you know, I really enjoyed that. (6:32) I really enjoyed the process of that creation. (6:35) And that’s why I enjoy a lot of like a construction projects (6:38) because it’s the same thing.(6:39) Right now I’m extending my patio. (6:41) I’m, I’m building out a new, uh, block patio out there. (6:44) And so I started visualizing what I want it to look like.(6:47) And then, you know, you start working on things, you start making sure (6:50) everything’s flowing the right way and for drainage and all that stuff. (6:54) And basically, you know, you’re like, you know, to have this beautiful (6:57) piece of, of, of boring that you’re like, wow, that’s amazing. (7:01) I did that.(7:01) You know, that’s, that’s incredible. (7:03) So it feels so good when you see it done. (7:07) There’s something about doing it yourself.(7:08) Like I’m not, I, I, I’m my dad was super handy, like tool and (7:12) die maker, all this stuff. (7:13) I could totally do it. (7:14) I could figure it out if I needed to, but I’m, I’m a lazy prick, but my last place, (7:19) I remember taking up the tile flooring myself, like with like a, I actually (7:22) rented a jackhammer and everything.(7:24) And the pain and pleasure that are both come out of that, like I couldn’t move (7:30) for a week, but damn, I felt good that I got my hands dirty and just (7:35) really did something for one, you know, and you could see the results (7:38) like actually become something. (7:41) Yeah. (7:41) Yeah.(7:41) You have to go through the pain, uh, to, to really enjoy it. (7:45) Right. (7:45) And that’s the same thing about life.(7:47) You know, I don’t, a lot of people just want to want to take it the easy route, (7:51) but you know, there’s, there’s something to be said about working hard and being (7:55) able to look back and say, wow, I’ve actually accomplished something. (7:58) And I think that goes along with that song, that, that song, dystopian future (8:03) is, you know, a lot of people get accustomed to just, um, having everything, (8:09) you know, one same day delivery, uh, dependence on just, just, you know, (8:15) things that are, that are easy convenience, convenience breeds, (8:20) convenience breeds, breeds dependency. (8:22) And they go, all goes back to the, to the government, right? (8:25) Then you, you start releasing responsibility, responsibility to (8:29) the corporations, to the government.(8:31) Next thing, you know, you don’t know how to do anything. (8:34) Humanity becomes this, you know, uh, you know, idiocracy, (8:38) you know, stuff like that. (8:39) So that, I mean, maybe we’re heading that way.(8:42) Idiocracy, what a great reference every time. (8:44) I mean, we literally have like wrestlers literally do like adjacent, right? (8:49) We’re like wrestlers are Trump adjacent. (8:51) We had Hulk Hogan in that, right? (8:53) Literally take, rip it up and tell yourself, brother, (8:57) America’s the greatest brother.(8:59) You know, it’s like, yeah, yeah. (9:01) Okay, cool. (9:02) Uh, yeah.(9:02) If you, if you don’t see that, this is all a show and start thinking, okay. (9:08) Yeah, no. (9:09) So I have a bigger question, Roman.(9:12) The greatest question is you are a musician. (9:16) How did one become, where did you get to put musician on your tax (9:21) forms when they rape you every year? (9:22) How did you get to that point? (9:24) Right? (9:24) Like you mentioned construction. (9:26) I would assume you probably worked all these jobs that got you through just (9:30) to tomorrow so you could work on your creative side inside your head.(9:33) But everyone has different paths. (9:34) I’d love to hear how you got to where you are. (9:37) Well, musician for me is actually a deduction because it doesn’t make money.(9:42) I mean, for me, I’m sure there’s plenty of years, right? (9:45) Right. (9:46) Right. (9:46) Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.(9:47) No, no, I, I, I, I’m not like, that’s not my full-time job. (9:51) So, um, I, I’m actually working healthcare IT. (9:54) So that’s, that’s how I find my, uh, my passion.(9:58) Yeah. (10:00) Um, yeah. (10:01) So how long have you, how long have you been making music then? (10:03) Or when did this portion of it start where you’re like, I’m going to record (10:07) this note and then I’m going to record this chord and then, you (10:10) know, going forward to there.(10:11) Yeah. (10:11) Yeah. (10:12) So, um, I started playing when I was 14 years old, uh, started with piano.(10:17) Then, uh, during the nineties, I’m a Gen X-er. (10:20) So during, I grew up in the eighties and nineties, uh, great (10:23) time to listen to incredible. (10:26) Best time, my friend, I’m a Gen X-er too.(10:28) Yeah. (10:29) Yeah. (10:29) So, you know, all that stuff, I mean, and now there’s a resurgence like, uh, for (10:33) example, Smashing Pumpkins, Alice in Chains, my kids are listening to all that (10:36) stuff, which is great, uh, which is kind of like what I used to, I used to listen (10:40) to all that stuff, but then I used to listen to a lot of the stuff my parents (10:43) listened to as well.(10:44) Um, but, uh, yeah, I, I started, um, I started just playing, uh, (10:50) listening music, playing piano. (10:53) Um, and then of course, as a teenager, you, you start, um, I bought my first (10:57) guitar from my buddy, Ted, um, back in high school for like 20 bucks. (11:01) I still have it.(11:02) So the only instrument that I’ve kept around for, uh, for all that time. (11:06) And, uh, and as you start for me, it’s being an introvert. (11:10) So, uh, growing up, coming to a different country, I, I always had (11:15) that struggle with the language.(11:17) And, and so for me, it was as a, it was a way to express myself when maybe I (11:22) couldn’t find the words to, um, to express myself because of the, the, the (11:27) language gap, uh, but in Europe, we, you know, growing up, we listened to a lot (11:32) of, uh, music, uh, in the eighties and sang along to them and really just enjoyed (11:39) it. (11:39) And I think, um, I, I discovered my, my parents vinyl connection collection and (11:45) started playing a lot of the old records and things like that. (11:48) And just, um, again, I just, I, I ended up loving music.(11:52) I don’t think anybody else in my family has like a musical like bone in their (11:57) body. (11:57) So we have a lot of great artists, painters, um, actors, um, uh, drawing, (12:03) drawing, all that stuff, engineers, uh, which is also an art in itself. (12:06) Um, builders, you know, construction kind of stuff.(12:10) My great grandfather was a, uh, uh, own a construction company that, uh, did a (12:17) lot of building through Morocco. (12:19) Um, so there’s a lot of that type of art, but, um, but yeah, music, I just, I kind (12:25) of want it to be different than everybody else. (12:27) I am a middle child, so I want it to be, you know, I, I guess I was trying to find (12:31) my identity from everybody else in the family.(12:36) So, yeah, yeah. (12:38) I think that’s where the, where I went with that is just trying to express (12:42) myself where I don’t think I could do it verbally most of the time. (12:47) All right.(12:49) Well, Jason, I’ll let you take, take, take the reins from here for a little bit. (12:53) Yeah. (12:53) I’m curious when you started putting the pieces together, you talked about (12:57) government and, uh, things leading to being controlled, being a dependent on (13:03) the state and stuff.(13:04) When did you start putting that together? (13:06) And, uh, and then now you’re involved with the Arizona Libertarian Party. (13:10) So how did you get there and, uh, what’s going on? (13:13) Sure. (13:14) What’s that saying? (13:14) When, if you’re young and you, uh, you’re not a liberal, you don’t have a heart.(13:19) And if you’re old and you’re not a conservative, you don’t have a brain. (13:22) I think there’s one more step to that is, is, is you have to get beyond that (13:26) into, you know, if you don’t, if, if you trust either one of those, you’re going (13:31) to put some kind of trust in the state. (13:33) If you got to get beyond that and you got to say, okay, now I know that I don’t (13:37) trust either one of those things.(13:39) I don’t, I don’t trust the government and I don’t trust corporations and I don’t (13:43) trust, uh, anybody to tell, you know, to live my life for me. (13:48) And that’s when you start thinking more of a, you know, libertarianism and, and, (13:53) you know, the things that come with that individual freedom and (13:57) volunteerism and things like that. (13:58) Um, in college, I was a big hippie in the sense of, um, more of an old fashioned (14:05) hippie where it was all about freedom and peace and, and love and things like that.(14:10) And, um, and then, and there was a lot of drugs there too. (14:13) Um, but then you, you start, uh, I, I bought into the propaganda of the, uh, (14:19) Iraq war in the early two thousands after nine 11 and you start thinking, (14:24) Oh yeah, hold on. (14:27) Who didn’t? (14:27) Y’all did it’s 1990 America.(14:31) We just, or whatever, it was 2001 America. (14:34) We just 10 years ago beat the Soviet union. (14:37) Right? (14:37) We are literally Unipolar.(14:39) We are on top of the world. (14:40) We are on that. (14:41) We are America.(14:42) And then this happens, right? (14:44) We find this little thing can happen and just totally disrupt our whole life. (14:48) Yeah. (14:49) And I mean, they don’t teach you anywhere in the, uh, public school systems that (14:53) the media is not necessarily, um, you know, always going to tell you the truth.(14:57) They’re always going to spin it. (14:59) Um, so, so yeah, I went, I guess a little bit more thought a little bit more (15:03) nationalist conservative kind of way. (15:06) I, um, I still have my own views about freedom in general, but freedom here, (15:11) you know, not so much everywhere else.(15:13) Um, (15:14) I mean, seriously, you’re, I’m going to impose my freedom on you. (15:18) I mean, let’s listen to yourselves, people. (15:21) I’m going to impose democracy at the end of a gun.(15:25) Like that’s helped me understand that logic right there. (15:28) Yeah. (15:29) And it sounds even, it sounds even more ridiculous when you realize that (15:33) we don’t even have it here.(15:34) Like, how can we say exactly? (15:36) Exactly. (15:37) What are we fighting for here? (15:39) Yeah. (15:40) So I started, um, I started listening to, um, uh, to some podcasts and, uh, (15:46) there was one gentleman, uh, the Jerry Doyle show.(15:49) I don’t know if you guys ever heard of him, uh, rest in peace, but he, he (15:54) started, you know, talking and he brought on, he was one of the only people that (15:57) brought on Ron Paul and, um, and started talking about, you know, the issues with (16:03) the government and with the war and, uh, you know, with the federal reserve and (16:06) things like that and the big banks, corporations and corporatism and all that (16:11) stuff. (16:11) And, um, then I, the, the, you know, the, the bell started to drop the, the things (16:17) started to become more clear and you’re like, Oh, okay. (16:21) You know, maybe we’re not the good guys.(16:23) You know, maybe, maybe we, the baddies. (16:27) Well, I mean, I don’t know. (16:28) I could be like that freaking joke, right? (16:31) That video, the guy where the guys are standing there, Oh, we, the baddies, you (16:35) know, it’s like same thing.(16:36) Well, I mean, you know, the problem is, is, you know, nobody’s right. (16:40) If everybody’s wrong. (16:41) Right.(16:42) That’s like the song goes, um, (16:44) Yeah, I would say we’re, nobody’s really right. (16:47) We’re all, we’re all messed up in our own ways. (16:50) Each country, each government has its own flaws.(16:52) Nobody’s like perfectly good. (16:54) Nobody’s perfectly bad. (16:55) We can even go to that is every family.(16:58) Every household has its own individual challenges that are wholeheartedly (17:03) different from your neighbor. (17:04) Even as, as correlatedly, generally we need food, shelter, how, you (17:09) know, clothing, all that stuff. (17:10) There are certain challenges that some people have that others just don’t.(17:14) Right. (17:14) And that’s, that’s just the way life is. (17:16) So everyone’s different.(17:18) How there could be a blanket understanding for all just doesn’t, it just (17:22) doesn’t make sense. (17:23) Like it would work though. (17:24) Great.(17:25) Exactly. (17:26) Yeah. (17:26) So, I mean, jump, jump, uh, you know, short story long.(17:30) Um, I, uh, I became a U S citizen in 2018 and, uh, decided to register to vote. (17:38) Um, and, uh, and I just registered as a libertarian. (17:42) By then I had already, you know, listened to a lot more, um, about libertarianism.(17:48) I had, did you vote in 18? (17:50) No, I, I became a citizen in December of 18. (17:54) Yeah. (17:54) Okay.(17:55) I’m only asking. (17:55) Cause I think that was the cinema McSally, uh, election. (18:00) And that’s the one that made my stomach turn with the ads that came out.(18:05) They were just disgusting. (18:07) It literally like turned my stomach where I was like, you know what? (18:10) Neither of these two people deserve anything. (18:12) Yeah.(18:13) It’s like literally the first time I had my break in that moment. (18:16) Yeah. (18:16) I think that was that year, the midterms of 18.(18:19) All political ads though. (18:21) Just they’re all fricking lies. (18:24) Yeah.(18:25) I like that. (18:25) I like that show. (18:26) Uh, um, parks and rec there, they do a lot of fun stuff with, uh, making fun of (18:31) political ads and at some of those seasons there, that was, it was interesting.(18:37) Exactly. (18:38) Ron Swanson is like the greatest libertarian that’s ever met. (18:42) I’m in the government to destroy government.(18:44) You know, it’s like Linda McMahon taking over ed to destroy it. (18:47) Right. (18:47) That’s right.(18:48) It’s like, well, it’s true. (18:49) It’s like libertarian. (18:50) A lot of the libertarians that I met along the way within the, uh, the Arizona (18:54) libertarian party and the LNC is, but we want to, we want to get people elected so (18:59) that we can, you know, change things from within.(19:01) Right. (19:02) Um, well, I don’t know. (19:05) I don’t know.(19:05) Yeah. (19:05) How do you feel about that? (19:07) Because man, after the last couple of cycles, 2022 for the LP was great and (19:13) taking over doing the Mises caucus thing, um, getting the people in the party and (19:17) then it just kind of fell apart with Dave Smith dropping out, uh, and feels (19:23) like that Mises caucus energy is gone. (19:26) The libertarian parties kind of, uh, I don’t know what you would call it a (19:30) little bit of a dumpster fire at the moment, in my opinion, but, uh, where (19:34) do you fall on that? (19:35) What do you think’s going on? (19:37) And is it possible to, to make a change that way through the political route? (19:42) What I’ve experienced is there’s a lot of wonderful, great, hardworking (19:45) people within the libertarian, uh, parties, you know, county level, state (19:51) level, uh, even at the LNC level.(19:54) Um, very hardworking, but very few. (19:57) And so they get burned out quite really quick. (20:00) I know that, I know that’s what happened to me when I was, uh, so I’m, I’m no (20:04) longer, I don’t have any positions, uh, in the libertarian party at the state.(20:08) Uh, well, I, I’m a priest and comedian here in Arizona, which, uh, we have those. (20:13) Uh, but that, that’s pretty much it. (20:15) Um, yeah, you have a lot of hardworking people and they get burned out and (20:19) there’s very few of them, unfortunately, there’s a lot of people who like to come (20:22) in at last minute and, and, and say that, you know, I have this idea, you guys (20:28) should do this and say, no, no, come with us and do it, you know, get involved.(20:34) And so it’s a lot of just drive by ideas, but the people, the people that are (20:39) keeping it together are wonderful people. (20:42) And they, and they have, they have been doing it for 50 years. (20:44) Some of them, you know, um, here in Pima County, uh, we have, uh, somebody (20:49) who’s now the, the, uh, the state, um, Arizona state, uh, secretary, the (20:54) libertarian ACLP, uh, treasurer, sorry, not secretary.(20:58) Um, he’s a treasurer. (20:59) He’s been around, he’s been keeping things together, trying to recruit (21:02) people and stuff like that. (21:04) Um, and the point is that, um, you’re right.(21:08) There’s like this huge, like resurgence, right. (21:11) Uh, Ron Paul revolution 2.0. (21:14) And then once you win, everybody kind of scatters and there’s no, uh, there’s (21:18) nothing really like you go into that just back into your comfort level. (21:23) And so there’s nothing to fight for.(21:26) It’s like here, we put the people in place now go and do what we put you in place to (21:30) do. (21:30) It’s like, no, you need that support, the volunteers to be able to kind of push it (21:35) forward. (21:36) So if you don’t, if you don’t have the infrastructure, so like, for example, if (21:39) you get a libertarian elected into a high office, if you don’t have that (21:44) infrastructure of people, like-minded people, it could probably like, uh, you (21:49) know, like, like if you go to the president, like you need to have all those (21:53) people that, that support the president or else they’re going to just basically (21:57) tell them or tell them to go a different way on things, you know? (22:01) And so you need that, you need individuals to stay involved.(22:06) Um, and you don’t have that. (22:08) I’ve seen that too much in this movement where people come in and, and then they (22:13) just disperse, you know? (22:16) So that’s the problem. (22:17) It’s the longevity of it.(22:19) It’s kind of, it reminds me a little bit, it reminds me a little bit about Trump. (22:24) Trump, Trump’s first term was a little scattery in that way. (22:27) Like he didn’t really kind of have an idea what’s going on, but it sounds like he (22:30) came into this one a little more organized.(22:33) And if you notice the first month or two have just been just a whirlwind of (22:38) craziness, right? (22:39) But like a very systematic, organized, methodical, like legitimate focused way. (22:46) Yeah, exactly. (22:47) That’s a good example of like libertarians need to take note of that.(22:50) If you’re ever at that level, uh, you need to have that infrastructure. (22:54) You need to have somebody to, to appoint to all these things. (22:57) Even if, even if the purpose is to, to dismantle it, you know, however you want (23:02) to go about doing it, whether you’re a minarchist or anarchist, or, you know, (23:07) um, if you want to keep some of that in place, um, you need to have that.(23:11) So, you know, the, the, the thing that I’ve been doing in the background, again, (23:15) I’m not somebody who puts my public, um, uh, I don’t, I don’t put my involvement (23:21) in any party out in the public as much. (23:23) Um, but one of the things that we were trying to do in the background is do more (23:27) local things because that’s, that’s what matters, right? (23:29) It’s, it’s the local, um, uh, your, your city councils and things like that. (23:34) So we, we did, um, and we had in Pima, we had really good, um, um, for, for, for (23:40) a while, we had some people running and things like that.(23:43) So we had a Pima, I think is probably the one that’s has a lot more involvement (23:46) because of the people that are currently in, in those positions, which are now (23:51) raised up to, to the AZLP level. (23:54) Um, so we’ll see how the state level things go here in the next couple of years. (23:58) But, um, yeah, more local involvement.(24:01) And of course I’m a hypocrite too, Jason, because I did it for a while (24:04) and I’m, I need to take a step back because it takes up a lot of your time. (24:07) So I don’t blame him. (24:08) I’m not saying like, you know, Hey, you should be doing this.(24:12) I’m like, you know, the reason that it doesn’t get more traction is because (24:15) you don’t have as much of, you know, of an involvement, like the (24:19) Republicans and Democrats do. (24:21) Um, and, and it’s, it’s not easy. (24:24) So we let any of it get to the state in the first place.(24:27) Let’s be honest. (24:28) The second we offloaded family watching and you know, whatever. (24:32) Second, we offloaded like the community stuff to the state.(24:35) We, we kind of started giving up. (24:38) Yeah, exactly. (24:39) How unwinding that is really hard.(24:41) How do you expect people to get involved in some kind of movement with the process (24:44) that society has been to delegate responsibility to corporations and, (24:50) um, and the government? (24:53) So they’re not going to take time. (24:55) I mean, especially because, you know, there’s, there’s not a lot of time in the (24:58) day, but yeah, for sure. (25:01) Shout out to all those guys in the AZLP and like, uh, Mack, Nikki, Kathy, Dave, (25:07) all those guys, and you were doing the hard work.(25:10) I just kind of showed up. (25:11) I’m like, I like what you’re doing. (25:13) I’ll be a body here for you.(25:14) But, um, yeah, man, it is. (25:16) It’s a lot of work to try to make changes politically. (25:21) Yeah.(25:22) You think you’re going in there? (25:23) I was a great, a Neocon when I started. (25:25) So when I left and I went to LP for a second and then saw the (25:28) shenanigans at LP national, I went, oh, that was easy. (25:30) I can step away from that.(25:31) I saw that before I saw that shit before I can, I can get away from that. (25:34) Like once you see the pattern, you just start going, okay, I know where I’m at. (25:39) Like, it’s hard to, it’s hard to reattach once.(25:41) First of all, you had to have your heart broken by the side that you were (25:45) just vehemently ready to die for. (25:46) Right. (25:47) First that happens.(25:48) And then you see this other thing and then you see like, oh, maybe (25:51) there’s another alternative. (25:52) And you’re like, oh, wait, they’re kind of not dissimilar (25:54) because they have humans in them. (25:55) Cause humans are flawed.(25:56) That’s, that’s just what we are. (25:57) We don’t. (25:58) And that’s the point is don’t give us the power because we’ll misuse it.(26:02) All of us will at some point. (26:04) Right. (26:05) Right.(26:05) And so the question becomes is, um, I think a lot of people on either side (26:10) basically say, well, we need the government to do this because people are evil or (26:17) they’re dumb or they’re it’s like, yeah, you know, it’s like, (26:22) but you’re just basically, yeah. (26:24) You’re basically just handing the responsibility to other humans. (26:27) And what’s that? (26:28) Who’s in the government? (26:30) Not perfect people.(26:32) Like I look at the Kennedy run and that was the thing is people were like, oh my (26:35) God, Robert Kennedy, he wants to do good. (26:36) He’s like, you don’t understand what Robert Kennedy would do as president. (26:40) He’d want to have more power, not because he’s a bad guy.(26:45) Cause he thinks that his ideas are good. (26:50) That’s why he would want it. (26:51) Cause he thinks everything he would do would be good.(26:55) So he’d want to take the power. (26:56) The problem is in four years, when he’s no longer there, the power (27:01) structure is still there, but that decision-making isn’t the same. (27:06) Exactly.(27:07) Yeah. (27:07) I mean, the, the way you distinguish Republicans for Democrats is I always (27:11) say the Republicans want to tell you what not to do, and the Democrats (27:14) want to tell you what to do. (27:15) And so they all just go back and forth doing the same thing.(27:19) You know, I like that. (27:21) Yeah. (27:22) Well, where do you see it going forward? (27:24) I mean, you talked about local action.(27:26) Everybody kind of says that like what’s local really matters, but the focus (27:31) is always on the national conversation. (27:34) Yes. (27:35) Yeah.(27:35) It’s heads down. (27:37) And if you want to get involved, get involved locally, that’s, (27:40) that’s my suggestion to people. (27:42) It’s where it matters.(27:44) And that that’s, that’s for everybody, not just them, you know, libertarians. (27:50) But also just get involved in general, like in, in other things, like volunteerism, (27:56) you know, go out and help out in your community, help your family out, help (28:01) your friends out, you know, start there. (28:04) As far as like the Libertarian Party in general, I, I, I’m hoping that, you (28:09) know, if, if, if I, if I come back and do it again after my current, like (28:13) stand away from it, I’m just going to concentrate locally, I’ll come back.(28:17) Who knows? (28:18) Maybe I’ll, maybe I’ll build a big war chest and fund like a real good (28:22) local candidate or something like that. (28:24) You know, maybe, maybe if somebody like somebody that maybe we know, (28:29) Jason would want to run or, you know, we, there’s some good peoples that (28:32) had, that had talked about, you know, governorships and things like that. (28:35) I’m not going to call them out here, but there’s some people that we could, (28:38) like, you know, if, if, if we save enough money and, and so I don’t live in Tucson.(28:45) I, but we got involved in the Tucson election with my County party. (28:49) So I can’t vote in the city of Tucson, but the last election, so it’s even (28:55) years, the last mayor mayoral election and city council the turnout was like (29:04) 15% of the population that, that voted in there. (29:09) So one five.(29:11) I mean, it’s very easy with, you know, to build up enough money, like maybe (29:18) 50 grand or something like that and run a really good candidate and, and be able (29:22) to, uh, to have somebody, you know, win a city council race or, or mayoral race, (29:29) you know, but it has to be a good thing. (29:31) Look at AOC’s whole district. (29:33) It’s like 10% of the people vote or something.(29:36) It’s like, no wonder a bar, you know what I mean? (29:38) No wonder they could just lift anybody up there and just prop them up there. (29:41) I mean, it can happen locally for sure. (29:44) But I mean, that, that, that would just be, you know, for shits and giggles.(29:47) Right. (29:47) Because I mean, ultimately it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s mostly to just stop the (29:51) continuation of insanity and spending and, and robbing, right. (29:56) Cause that’s, that’s all we’re trying to do at this point is just stop people (29:59) from, uh, from getting into power and continually just imposing their views on (30:05) us.(30:06) So, I mean, you know, uh, for, for me, I’ll, I’ll just stick with local stuff for (30:11) now. (30:12) Um, that’s all, that’s all I can do. (30:13) And just keep playing music too.(30:15) And then also going out into the wilderness cause we’ve got plenty of (30:18) wilderness here. (30:19) So I’m plugging from the matrix, you know, I don’t, I don’t know. (30:22) I don’t know where the, the ACLP and the LNC are going to go, Jason or Mark.(30:27) Um, I know that was your question. (30:28) Uh, and it just kind of went off on a tangent, but, um, it, it depends on the (30:34) people that get involved. (30:35) So we’ll see what happens.(30:37) Um, yeah. (30:38) Good luck to all of them. (30:39) They’re going to call our show tangents.(30:40) Don’t worry about it. (30:41) We, we literally go a to J to B to Q to F to wherever. (30:45) So if it gets bad enough, I know, I know there’s a, there’s a spot about 26 mile (30:49) hike that I can get to and, and try to live out the rest of my, you know, a (30:56) marathon away, get your bug out bag and, and, and run away from it all.(31:01) Right. (31:02) Yeah. (31:03) I’m looking for places it’s I’m looking at show low, actually.(31:07) I don’t know why, but something about that area has, you know, (31:11) that area actually in 10 years, it’s, it’s growing right now. (31:14) Sholo and that, that whole, what is it? (31:16) Uh, Alpine and sunrise, all that stuff out there. (31:19) It’s beautiful.(31:21) Uh, I think that’s going to be like, um, the next place for development in (31:25) Arizona from like, from Flagstaff. (31:27) I think a lot of people are, you know, started to move into Flagstaff. (31:30) That’s been developed.(31:31) It’s no longer there. (31:32) It’s already, yeah, it’s so overpopulated. (31:35) Right.(31:35) I mean, in my opinion, there’s a lot of people from Phoenix that go up there (31:38) all the time on vacation and things like that, and they have houses out there, (31:41) but that whole area and show that that area is beautiful and a high desert. (31:46) And I think in 10 years, um, it’s going to be like, you know, very popular. (31:50) So.(31:51) I’m not going to tell you to invest in any kind of real estate, but (31:54) Oh, no, no, no. (31:55) We, we are not an investment show here. (31:58) I barely can handle my own finances, man.(32:00) Come on, Roman. (32:01) I don’t want to deal with it. (32:02) I realized I’ve been muted for like five minutes, but, uh, would you ever (32:08) consider running for office? (32:10) Any interest in that? (32:11) Is that, is that for Mark? (32:12) Mark, you want to run for office? (32:15) No, I don’t think so.(32:17) Um, I mean, I, I, you know what? (32:19) I wouldn’t mind being part of the support structure. (32:21) If we get somebody who’s good in the, in a leadership position, I wouldn’t (32:25) mind get being in the support structure. (32:27) I’m more of like a project manager, number guy working, you know, with (32:31) finance, a lot of financial stuff.(32:33) Uh, you know, working in, in it, you, you have more of an analytical (32:38) mind, which is great for music. (32:41) Um, but, uh, I wouldn’t mind being part of that support structure of (32:45) whoever gets invited into office. (32:47) Yeah.(32:47) And just being (32:48) behind apply for Congress in 2024. (32:51) And then I pulled my application Roman, just to let you know. (32:55) Okay.(32:56) All right. (32:56) But I did speak, I did have a podcast conversation with Jeff zinc, who was the (33:01) guy who was running in the same congressional district with it’s it was (33:05) Grail Gravos before he went to Senate Rubin or guy goes before he went to Senate. (33:10) So I’m like, what the heck? (33:12) I’ll just apply.(33:13) So I talked to this guy and I’m like, oh, I can walk circles (33:16) around this guy on just ideology. (33:17) I’m like, Jesus spoke to him and told him he was supposed to (33:20) lead his people to Congress. (33:22) And I’m like, your people, you mean not Jesus’s people, like your people.(33:26) Jesus told you to lead your people. (33:28) Okay. (33:28) Sure.(33:29) Let’s, let’s go with that one, Jeff. (33:30) And then I saw him at AmFest and it was funny because he got crushed. (33:34) Of course he get crushed as Republican in the only Phoenix district.(33:37) It’s like literally Phoenix. (33:39) So I go him up to him like, Hey, how you doing Jeff? (33:42) And I’m like talking to him. (33:43) Like I’ve known him inside out.(33:45) He does not recognize me at all. (33:47) And I’m like, these pieces of shit. (33:49) You talk to them for fucking hours and you get to know all about their insides.(33:53) And I could tell you that guy’s whole story. (33:56) And that guy doesn’t even remember me. (33:57) Just a sociopathic piece of shit.(34:00) Politician just like all day. (34:02) And it’s so funny watching it. (34:04) And the guy’s a super nice guy.(34:05) And there’s nothing about that. (34:06) I’m sure he’s a really good family man, but he’s a piece of shit. (34:09) He’s just a piece of shit.(34:10) When it comes to politics guy, can’t even recognize that I was actually (34:14) a competitor and ran against him. (34:15) Spoke with him for multiple hours on a podcast. (34:17) He’s like, he recognized it’s like, he can’t put those two together.(34:21) Trust me. (34:22) Jeff Zink is nobody in my life, but I meet people. (34:25) I actually connect with them, know who they are, you know what I mean? (34:27) And this is something that that’s, that’s missing.(34:30) And I think to your point, local is the way to get back to that connection. (34:35) Yeah. (34:35) It’s also great.(34:36) I get one of the things we talked about locally is like sheriffs. (34:41) Um, the sheriff is, is a great wall between the federal and (34:46) state government to, to your County. (34:49) Right.(34:49) So if you can get a sheriff elected who is willing to put, uh, you know, (34:55) the, the freedom principles above, you know, what the state does, then, (35:01) then that’s a good way. (35:02) That’s a good start, you know, cause then you block all that, all those (35:06) mandates that, that come from, from above, but you know, that, you know, (35:10) it’s a, I guess, you know, one of the things we saw in DC at the convention (35:17) is, is what’s, what’s the point of the Libertarian party? (35:19) Is it to get people elected or for messaging? (35:22) Right. (35:23) I mean, you can do both.(35:24) You can multitask, right. (35:26) Um, (35:26) to get in there and fight each other. (35:30) That is the point of the Libertarian party.(35:32) Yes. (35:32) Yeah. (35:33) Yeah.(35:33) I really thought the Libertarians kind of sold their soul in this election to get (35:37) some things pushed through with Trump, you know, supporting Trump. (35:40) It seems that way. (35:41) Now we can argue that Trump is doing bad things, but we’re like, we can also (35:46) argue that Trump’s doing exactly what he told his people that voted (35:49) for him, he was going to do.(35:51) Right. (35:51) Like, I’m not agreeing with the ideology or anything, but it’s funny. (35:54) Like, look at Angela McArdle.(35:56) I do think that they sabotage that election so that Chase Oliver win. (36:01) Cause I guarantee that Rectenwald by the time November came around, his message (36:07) would have taken many more votes from Trump. (36:09) That’s just my opinion.(36:10) And Chase Oliver was literally taking what? (36:13) Trans open border people from, from Biden. (36:17) Like literally that’s the only, like that was his constituency. (36:22) Great.(36:23) Yeah. (36:23) There, there was, um, there’s a lot of discussions around that. (36:29) Yeah.(36:29) That, that, that’s, that’s something that could be said that if you would (36:33) have had a Rectenwald in there, which by the way, uh, Chase and Rectenwald, (36:37) I’ve met them both. (36:37) They’re, they’re, you know, great individuals. (36:39) Uh, fun.(36:40) They are very nice people. (36:41) Yes. (36:41) Yes.(36:42) Yeah. (36:42) I met them both as well. (36:43) Good people.(36:44) Way smarter than I am. (36:46) Um, but yeah, uh, I, I’ve, I’ve thought that too, as well. (36:49) I thought that it was definitely that, that, so yes, (36:56) the whole time, but yeah, at some point, no, it’s kind of like it unfolded.(37:00) Right. (37:00) Almost like, look, it’s once again, it’s kind of like we talk about the (37:03) actual like design of evil, but being able to take advantage and roll with the (37:07) punches, that’s some of that great strategy stuff that some people are really good at. (37:11) And I think that’s where it evolved to that.(37:14) Right. (37:14) Right. (37:15) It might not have started that way as a, as an idea, but (37:17) then it kind of grew to that.(37:19) Yeah, exactly. (37:20) I think a lot of these individuals, and that’s probably why I’m not involved (37:23) that also is I’m not involved in this. (37:25) I just, I just don’t think politically like that.(37:27) I don’t think, um, I, I do think, you know, of multiple scenarios in my life, (37:34) but politically these individuals are very, very smart when it comes to like, (37:40) you know, well, this, that didn’t work and we’re, we’re not, you know, (37:44) we’re not seeing this happening. (37:46) So what’s plan B, you know, and that’s, that’s always good to have. (37:48) And you can’t say that about all of them because there’s been some other things, (37:52) some internal politics within the LNC where they didn’t have a plan B. (37:56) They just threw all their eggs in their baskets.(37:58) And, and then you’re like, oh, oh, that didn’t work out. (38:01) I blew up in your face. (38:02) Um, but yeah.(38:03) And to close this out also look, uh, Dr. (38:06) Recktenwald has a, has a heart condition. (38:08) He’s going in for some surgery and chase all it was chase Oliver’s tweet that I (38:12) saw him reaching out to give his support to Recktenwald. (38:16) So once again, this is not a indictment on the people.(38:19) This is just about the politics part of it that we, that when we talk about, (38:22) when we, when we pick it apart. (38:24) Exactly. (38:24) And even in the politics, man, like chase is miles better than anyone else on the (38:30) stage, not in the libertarian party, but if you look at Republicans and Democrats, (38:34) he’s, uh, rhetorically much, much better on almost that was a freedom fest.(38:39) And he was, he did great in that debate that had everybody. (38:41) And what was funny, once again, Robert Kennedy was complaining about not (38:45) getting on the debate stage with, with Trump and Biden. (38:49) He does a 45 minute speech at freedom fast, and then he refuses to debate the (38:53) other three candidates that are also running, who are getting shunned out of (38:56) the debates and you’re like, why would you want to go down man? (39:01) Like he should have embraced that moment.(39:03) He could have, you know what I mean? (39:04) He could have really literally gotten a whole bunch of people’s respect (39:07) for that, for taking that on, you know? (39:10) What did you think of what he did with the debate? (39:12) You remember RFK did, he did like, uh, he had it up on the screen behind him and (39:16) then he would pause and then talk and like, pretended he was in the debate. (39:20) Did you guys see that? (39:21) I didn’t see that. (39:23) Oh man.(39:23) I could just go commentary. (39:25) Yeah. (39:26) Interesting.(39:27) No, I didn’t see that. (39:29) I’ve, I’ve heard him. (39:30) Is that what he did? (39:31) Like a Rob cast IRL.(39:33) It’s the response to the state of the union. (39:36) It’s like, Oh, that’s I, I found that kind of weird. (39:38) The response to the state of the union.(39:40) It’s like, you know, that, that the government is, it’s, it’s, it’s, well, (39:45) it’s just weird that, that you have to, as a party respond to the state of the (39:51) union, like that just, that just based on it too, just let’s take a step back. (39:58) Slot being responded. (40:00) Gee, what a shock.(40:01) What, what alignment do the left and the right have about one issue? (40:06) One issue is the one issue that everyone seems to be on board (40:09) with, except for Thomas Massey. (40:12) Yeah. (40:13) Thanks.(40:13) That’s true. (40:14) Yep. (40:15) Huh? (40:16) So I had to clear my throat.(40:17) Yeah. (40:17) On that topic, responding to the state of the union is like, we don’t even (40:21) agree on what the state of reality is. (40:24) Right.(40:25) Exactly. (40:25) So, so basically one of them is the state of the, the party that’s in power. (40:31) And then the other one is the state of the party.(40:33) That’s not in power. (40:35) You know, it’s like, okay. (40:38) Yeah.(40:38) There’s a lot of fun stuff in there. (40:40) Uh, people getting unruly. (40:43) I feel like the Democrats really embarrass themselves in that.(40:48) Okay. (40:48) May I share a story that watching the debate? (40:51) I watched the whole thing. (40:52) I listened to the whole thing and M and I was doing work too.(40:55) But there was that kid DJ. (40:58) Okay. (40:59) I wasn’t watching it at the time.(41:01) I was just hearing Trump talk and he starts talking about this kid DJ and (41:04) he’s like, he’s 13 wants to be in the secret service. (41:06) I go, Oh, there’s another young prick. (41:07) Who’s already captured by the system.(41:09) Okay. (41:10) Like literally the first place I go, right? (41:12) Like I got to admit once the, once the stuff cracks, like you, everything (41:15) you see is just, it’s a matrix, right? (41:17) Blonde, redhead, brunette. (41:18) Like you see the DJ is a Russian asset.(41:21) Right? (41:22) Exactly. (41:23) So then they continue and then they talk about the brain cancer and I’m sorry, (41:28) humans, I shifted, I started crying. (41:31) Okay.(41:31) Cause I have a fucking heart. (41:33) Cause like let a 13 year old, who’s got a brain fucking tumor, want (41:37) to live a fucking dream people. (41:39) You know what I mean? (41:40) But like, no, half of that group couldn’t even see that yet.(41:43) I’m anti-state, but like, I knew we want to be secret service. (41:47) But the second, like we found out his circumstance, the context in which he (41:51) was there, it changed. (41:53) There’s where the humanity comes in.(41:55) So why do we have to take a label and then put everything in that label in (42:00) that bucket and beat everything in there? (42:02) Why can’t we just take each piece out and look at each piece individually? (42:05) Yeah. (42:06) Yeah. (42:07) I didn’t watch it.(42:08) I’m, I’m to the point where I’m pretty much unplugged. (42:11) I see the means I see, I see a lot of the, the AI videos and things like that, (42:16) but I’m to the point where I’m, I’m, um, I think society is the matrix, right? (42:22) So we build, and I’m going to deal with this in volume two here, coming up, um, (42:26) a lot of this stuff that we’ve been talking about, but, but you know, it’s (42:30) the matrix is, I mean, it is, you know, the, the, the movie and the books and (42:34) all that stuff, it’s about being plugged into a computer software and stuff like (42:37) that, but really society is the matrix we’ve built around ourselves. (42:40) Right.(42:40) So all this political stuff and all this things, it’s just, it is, it is, (42:46) it is definitely Plato’s cave. (42:48) I mean, it’s Plato’s cave. (42:49) It is, it’s theater for sure.(42:52) So what we’ll have to do, cause we did Jason and I did like a matrix episode. (42:55) We’ll have to kind of, once you do part two, once you’re finished, we’ll have to (42:58) have you come on and talk about the main. (42:59) Oh, that’d be great.(43:00) Yeah. (43:00) Now what, what level of conspiracy, uh, simulation conspiracy theorists are you? (43:06) Where do you fall on that? (43:08) I mean, like I said, I think, I think society is the matrix that we’ve built (43:12) around the cave, the matrix we’ve built around ourselves. (43:16) Um, and, and really like if you step away, so I do a lot of hiking, I go out (43:21) and, you know, hike out for days.(43:23) I, I’ve, I live behind a Canyon here and I go hiking every weekend or almost (43:27) every weekend, and then I look back and I see, I see the, the view of the city (43:32) and town and all that stuff, and I’m like, okay, well, maybe it’s time to (43:35) head back into the matrix and walk back in. (43:37) And, uh, my, my, um, the, the album, my collection of meanings deals a lot (43:43) with that, especially the title song, just walking away from society and (43:47) basically just, you know, um, and it might be that, you know, for me, I, at (43:53) one point it was more of an, and I think I’ve still, I still, I’m, uh, just (43:59) trying to minimize the impact of government and corporations on my life. (44:04) To the point where, um, uh, that, that if I had to, I’m not, I’m not (44:11) relying on any of that stuff.(44:12) So if shit hits the fan, and I know, I know until like Jason and I were (44:16) talking, we’re joking, uh, about, well, what are we going to talk about? (44:19) Like, you know, probably world war three by the time, you know, we start (44:22) talking like with the podcast. (44:24) And unfortunately now we’re not talking about world war three. (44:26) So that’s good.(44:27) Uh, but you know, if, if shit hits the fan and society breaks down, are you (44:31) able to, as a human, you know, continue going and I know that’s extreme. (44:37) It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s fun to think about because ultimately, you know, maybe not (44:43) today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not past generations, but future generations (44:48) might, might be, you know, thinking about that kind of, or dealing with that (44:52) kind of stuff, hopefully not us, hopefully not us, hopefully your great (44:55) grandchildren, but hopefully not. (44:57) I’m not going to push that on them.(44:59) Maybe we can stop some of that today, but I’m at a point where it’s like, I’m (45:02) ready to, I got, I’m ready to, to say, like, I’m just going to, you know, try (45:07) to do as much on my own as possible. (45:10) And so I’ve been working, you mentioned the nature of things like unplugging. (45:14) Right.(45:15) Like you best learn to unplug before it’s unplugged for you. (45:19) Yeah. (45:21) And maybe more people did that.(45:23) Um, then, then maybe we wouldn’t have so many issues, you know, with each other. (45:27) Yeah. (45:28) That’s like localization to the extreme, right? (45:30) Taking it down to yourself.(45:32) Am I able to survive and live on my own? (45:34) I think about that a lot. (45:36) And I feel like I would be screwed if something really hit the fan and, you (45:39) know, what if we don’t have power? (45:41) What if I can’t go to the grocery store? (45:42) I know that. (45:43) I know I can find a couple of people with my body.(45:48) I’ll be the first one to fall in the zombie apocalypse. (45:53) Yeah. (45:53) It feels like that, right? (45:54) I mean, that’s, it could be like that.(45:56) It won’t be like, you know, zombies, the undead it’ll be, it’ll be. (46:00) It’ll be like, uh, maybe downtown LA where you have all those homeless people that (46:05) just, you know, our camp out everywhere and stuff like that. (46:07) It’s pretty sad.(46:08) I don’t know if, if anybody has been to the big city, San Diego, I lived in San (46:11) Diego for a while. (46:12) I was playing out. (46:13) I was living out there and playing with a band and stuff.(46:16) And, um, I went back a few years ago and it was like, Holy cow, the, the, the (46:21) homeless there, like I just near Petco park and stuff like that, which back then (46:26) it, they weren’t that far out. (46:27) Um, but it’s pretty bad. (46:30) I mean, yeah, I haven’t been there for like six, seven years pre COVID, but I (46:34) hear it’s gotten worse.(46:35) It was bad then. (46:36) Like, yeah, the homeless situation there was, it was really sad. (46:41) And I get why people are like, Oh, we have to do something.(46:44) And here’s the government with all this money. (46:46) Let’s take it. (46:47) You know, you guys take care of it, but then it never gets taken care of.(46:51) So what’s going on? (46:53) I was actually there for the, uh, big bay boom bus thing in San Diego. (46:58) You guys remember that, uh, fireworks display where they all (47:01) went off all at the same time? (47:03) Uh, no, no, that sounds awesome. (47:07) Yeah.(47:07) It’s got its own Wikipedia page, actually. (47:09) It’s called the big bay bust. (47:11) And, uh, it was called the big bay boom.(47:13) And they were, they had like radio stations and four barges of fireworks, (47:17) and they were going to set off all the fireworks to the music on the radio station. (47:23) So my girlfriend at the time, we got this seat at Sally’s on the (47:27) waterfront right in front. (47:29) Like there’s like a port up here.(47:31) And then behind that was one of the barges. (47:33) So we’re like, we got to front row seat, right? (47:35) Five minutes before all of a sudden everything starts going off. (47:40) And I’m like, I started putting my head in my hands.(47:43) She’s like, Oh my God, this is amazing. (47:44) I go, no, something happened. (47:46) All four barges went off all simultaneously and just all (47:49) exploded all at the same time.(47:51) It was amazing. (47:53) They spent like two and a half million dollars and it was some glitch in the (47:56) code when they turned it on the software, it’s set off all the fireworks. (48:00) Well, that’s one decimal point.(48:02) And then, yeah, they needed you there, Roman. (48:06) They need you to get in the it there and fix it. (48:08) I would have done that.(48:09) I would have just done all at once. (48:11) That’s what I do it. (48:12) Yeah.(48:13) So people were like literally spent thousands of dollars to be on the (48:15) rooftops of all the hotels there. (48:18) And they’re all videotaping it. (48:19) And you can just go on YouTube right now.(48:20) Just type in big Bay bust or whatever. (48:22) You’ll see three of the barges all at the same time. (48:24) Just like, look like they just explode.(48:27) Kind of interesting. (48:28) Wow. (48:29) That might be more exciting.(48:30) Honestly. (48:31) Yeah, it was, it was totally cool. (48:35) That’s all it is.(48:36) Yeah. (48:36) What organized fireworks? (48:38) Oh, no, thank you. (48:39) Let’s let them all, let’s let them all on fire.(48:41) Give me an explosion. (48:43) Yes. (48:45) Garnet.(48:46) If I, if I were, uh, if I were to take the room and bandits and do a live show, (48:50) I would definitely do pyrotechnics, probably not to that extreme. (48:53) Uh, but I would love to have some that, uh, and I’d probably (48:57) have to do like an outdoor show. (48:58) You don’t want anything happening indoors, but laser shows and stuff.(49:02) Lots of crazy like light show lasers. (49:06) Yeah, that’d be awesome. (49:08) That’d be cool.(49:09) Well, once again, everyone, welcome to another Consciously Unmasked. (49:12) We’ve got about 30 people online live. (49:14) We’ve got Roman Garcia of the roaming bandits.(49:17) He joined us today. (49:18) Say hello, Roman. (49:20) So let’s, let’s go talk about some other stuff.(49:22) There’s some good, some good topics. (49:23) We’re having Romans part of a libertarian ideology, I guess, or (49:27) thought philosophy and things like that. (49:29) I don’t know if he’s big L little L it doesn’t really matter.(49:31) We’re just all kind of talking and we’re talking about music. (49:33) So welcome. (49:34) And thank you for joining us.(49:36) We’re all taking L’s either way. (49:40) That’s right. (49:40) Anyway.(49:42) Yeah. (49:42) So I thought we could talk about, everyone’s been talking about it this week. (49:46) We’re a few days late.(49:47) We were supposed to do this on Thursday, but Mark would rather talk (49:50) to Scott Horton than to me, but, uh, you made the right choice. (49:55) Yeah, that was a good conversation for sure. (49:57) I like that.(49:58) Thank you guys for your concern, for your grace. (50:00) Like it’s so hard planning these things and I literally got it (50:04) two days before and I’m scrambling. (50:06) So thank you for having the grace to allow, like, allow me to do that (50:09) or like get me out of that.(50:10) Cause I feel off every time I have to reschedule. (50:13) It is gut wrenching for me. (50:15) It twists my insides and just sets them on fire.(50:18) It just, it is the most uncomfortable feeling. (50:20) So thank you. (50:22) Yeah, no, you made the right choice for sure.(50:25) But it was definitely a great conversation. (50:28) No doubt. (50:28) It was great.(50:29) You guys hit some of these topics, actually. (50:31) The Trump Zelensky meeting. (50:33) That’s where I’m getting to.(50:34) Zelensky visited the white house, talked with Donald Trump and J.D. (50:39) Vance, J.D. (50:41) Um, so J.D. (50:43) Zelensky there. (50:45) And I’m only saying his name with one Y by the way. (50:48) Um, but as always, the thing itself is not as interesting as the media reaction, (50:54) right? (50:54) You can watch something and be like, Oh yeah, that wasn’t great, I guess.(50:57) But then you can count on the legacy media to totally blow it out of proportion. (51:03) Um, so I want to start out with a clip here, um, from our favorite old man who (51:07) yells at clouds morning, Joe, uh, just to kind of frame the whole thing, see (51:11) where they’re coming at it. (51:13) Uh, and then we’ll look at some of the actual meeting.(51:16) Number one, sir. (51:17) Number zero. (51:19) Number zero.(51:20) I didn’t download a zero. (51:22) You didn’t get a zero. (51:23) Oh, uh, hold on.(51:25) All right. (51:25) We’re going to have to keep talking. (51:26) Oh, let me, let me see if I can find a zero and download it.(51:28) In the meantime, you watch, you watch this meeting, right? (51:31) I’m sure you’ve seen at least clips of it. (51:32) I had, like I said, uh, I, well, before the show was marking our time, but yeah, (51:38) I’ve, um, I’ve seen the AI versions of it, which are, uh, what I assume is reality (51:43) at this point. (51:44) And so no, I don’t, I, as somebody who doesn’t really consume, uh, mainstream (51:49) media, I didn’t watch the actual thing.(51:51) I just watched the AI pieces. (51:52) So my favorite ones are when they’re playing UNO. (51:55) That was very interesting.(51:57) Um, seems like a, you know, game night at my house. (52:00) And, uh, and then the one, the recently, uh, the one where they’re playing guitar (52:03) together, which I think is probably, you know, pretty accurate to what’s going on (52:08) today in the, in the news. (52:09) So yeah, the AI stuff is crazy.(52:11) I mean, it’s hilarious, but yeah. (52:14) Yeah. (52:15) I saw another one where they’re playing cards.(52:17) Like, you know how they mentioned, Oh, Hey, Vladimir, you don’t have the cards. (52:20) And then suddenly like, he’s like, I got the cards. (52:23) He’s like juggling cards and it’s all AI.(52:25) And then JD like throws up a deck of cards. (52:27) It’s, it’s crazy. (52:29) But I didn’t grab any of those.(52:31) I did grab one. (52:32) Uh, that’s going to be a fun one though. (52:33) We’ll see it.(52:34) All right. (52:35) Just give me one second, boys. (52:36) I’m right there.(52:37) I just got to do it. (52:39) All right. (52:40) You guys ready? (52:41) Ready? (52:43) Gosh, darn it.(52:44) I hope I’m on the right page. (52:48) Well, that the AI stuff is going to be very interesting going forward, but yeah. (52:52) Hey, I could be like, like you said, it could be the real thing.(52:56) We’re tapping into the real dimension and we’re actually in the simulation. (53:00) Oh my God. (53:01) AI is running us? (53:03) What? (53:05) All right.(53:05) You guys ready, gentlemen? (53:06) Yeah. (53:07) Let’s go. (53:08) The reaction to that stunning meeting, that sickening meeting was swift.(53:13) The wall street journal editorial board wrote in part, the point of the meeting (53:16) was supposed to be progress toward an audible peace for Ukraine. (53:20) And the event, uh, was winner was Russia’s Vladimir Putin, but as with the war, (53:26) Mr. (53:27) Zelensky didn’t start this Oval Office exchange. (53:30) He was supposed to, was he supposed to tolerate an extended public denigration (53:36) of the Ukrainian people who’ve been fighting a war for survival for the three years? (53:44) All right.(53:45) So this is just setting it up here. (53:47) Is he supposed to tolerate an extended denigration? (53:50) And if you watch only the part where they’re fighting, you might take that as (53:54) reality. (53:54) But if you see some of the, uh, the lead up to where they start arguing, you realize (54:00) it’s very respectful.(54:01) It’s very calm, collected. (54:04) It, uh, the whole thing is kind of weird, right? (54:07) Let’s like, let’s turn on the cameras and just, uh, show people what we’re talking (54:11) about. (54:12) I think it was supposed to be set up as like, Hey, here’s our nice camera moment.(54:16) Uh, let’s look good for the public. (54:17) We’re making a deal. (54:19) We’re going to sign something after, uh, after we meet today.(54:22) And then it just like Zelensky did not, did not get it. (54:31) Yeah. (54:32) Roman, you want to talk about that? (54:33) Yeah.(54:34) I mean, it’s, uh, it’s interesting to see it all, um, develop in real time or, I mean, (54:41) how much of it, it feels like it’s just, um, I, it feels like it’s all unraveling in (54:51) real time. (54:51) And it’s, it’s nice to see that on camera. (54:54) Um, I don’t, I don’t think it was anything that, you know, it was supposed to be like (54:58) a stage moment, right.(55:00) And then all of a sudden it just kind of just fell apart. (55:02) So it’s interesting to see that happening. (55:05) Um, just coming out from behind doors.(55:08) I don’t know if anybody intended it to be like that, but, um, yeah, it’s, it’s crazy (55:13) times that we live in, right. (55:14) You, you, you wouldn’t see like, um, during World War II, you wouldn’t see like, uh, FDR (55:20) and, and Stalin and Churchill doing that kind of stuff. (55:24) I mean, it would have been interesting to see that, but you know, it’s, it’s, it’s (55:28) crazy how we’re, we’re seeing everything just fall apart like that.(55:33) Absolutely. (55:34) Very interesting to see things on camera like that. (55:36) You’d think that would happen behind closed doors.(55:39) They can have all their arguments. (55:40) I’m sure that’s normal, right. (55:42) But to have it in your publicity stunt, like, Hey, we’re really close to a deal.(55:47) Let’s talk about it. (55:48) Let’s tell the press about it. (55:49) And then for him to just like, we’ll see some of these clips, but he’s like, Oh no, I need (55:54) a security guarantee.(55:55) And he’s like still trying to negotiate in that setting. (55:59) And it’s just, it’s just, I mean, that’s gotta be probably the most overturned thing (56:03) I’ve seen out of them, like fighting in public like that. (56:06) Yeah.(56:07) I mean, it’s funny, like, well, like to your point, we’ll see the cliffs, but it’s, it’s (56:10) funny watching all Zelinsky had to do was say, thank you, Mr. (56:16) President. (56:16) Thank you, Mr. (56:17) Vice president. (56:18) This is such a great opportunity.(56:21) We are so grateful American people for helping with our sovereignty. (56:24) That’s all he had to say. (56:26) The guy had to make it like a tough guy show.(56:28) And don’t get me wrong. (56:29) Like, I get why he did what he did. (56:32) Cause he lives in Eastern Europe.(56:34) That’s how they do their media. (56:36) That’s how their propaganda machine works. (56:38) Ours is a different way.(56:39) Ours is like this, like Juju way of making us think we actually have a choice when we (56:44) don’t. (56:45) They just tell you lies to out, like just bold things outright. (56:49) And that’s not how the games played here.(56:51) He didn’t understand the game and we can like not blame him for that, but he will suffer (56:57) for that. (56:57) Like he is in trouble. (56:58) Like that moment was awful for him.(57:01) But, but maybe, maybe he is playing the game. (57:04) Maybe he knew that the reaction was going to be what it is. (57:08) And then later on, went on his little tour of Europe to get them to, you know, uh, put (57:15) together the billion dollars.(57:16) Maybe he knew that this is what’s the matter. (57:19) We already had the money for him. (57:20) Why would he need it from them? (57:21) If he knows he’s getting it from us? (57:22) No, he doesn’t know.(57:23) I don’t think he, I think maybe he wasn’t getting it from us, you know, change of change (57:29) of regime in the U S he’s like, yeah, I know. (57:32) I know that we’re going to get all that minerals. (57:34) We’re getting all that minerals now, Roman.(57:36) Come on. (57:37) Lindsey Graham said it too. (57:38) Elon needs some minerals for those batteries.(57:42) Doesn’t he? (57:42) I don’t know. (57:43) Maybe. (57:43) I think that’s what it is.(57:44) And it’s funny. (57:45) We’re going to be writing them. (57:46) Hey, everybody.(57:47) Aluminum guys. (57:48) We’re getting aluminum from Russia. (57:51) We’re getting raw earth.(57:52) You know, if there’s, if there’s something that you should recycle as aluminum and glass, (57:56) those are, um, I know somebody who’s been in the, um, very close to me has been in the (58:01) recycling industry since the eighties. (58:03) Those are the two things that are actually profitable. (58:06) Now, maybe not glass anymore because the plastic industry has taken over a lot of that stuff, (58:11) but aluminum is definitely, uh, and, and, and copper.(58:14) I’m, you know, copper as well, but, um, for sure. (58:17) I think 80% of aluminum is recycled and like Alcoa cut 20% recent from the U S market. (58:25) And if you look like Coca-Cola can’t, the reason sodas, I think have a skyrocketed is (58:30) because of aluminum.(58:30) Yeah. (58:31) I think it’s literally for the cans because they’re so expensive now. (58:34) Yeah.(58:34) It’s a viable way to replace plastic. (58:38) And what good way to get Alzheimer’s too. (58:41) Yeah.(58:42) Once again, it’s Thursday, everybody. (58:44) Welcome to another Consciously Unmasked. (58:48) My days are way off.(58:51) You start pulling up 0.5. (58:54) If you got that one. (58:55) Yes. (58:56) Yeah.(58:56) I got them. (58:56) I got them all after that, sir. (58:57) But that first one, you got me with zero.(59:00) I don’t know how you got me on zero, but I think that’s screwed me. (59:04) So I had to go, right. (59:06) But I can’t count zero.(59:09) So you don’t, you don’t have the, uh, um, the, the, what is it? (59:14) The, the background that I have from, um, from the Persians and things like that, (59:19) who invented the number zero? (59:22) Ooh, no, I don’t. (59:23) It’s like the infinite zero. (59:25) I love it.(59:25) Is this the one Jason Mark’s ancestors invented gas chambers. (59:33) I’m just kidding. (59:34) Wow.(59:35) All right. (59:35) I’m just going to hit play. (59:36) I’m I’m done with you guys.(59:38) Go ahead. (59:40) Let’s see the fight. (59:41) This is the fight.(59:42) Should not have allowed this to happen. (59:44) Okay. (59:44) Wait, United States.(59:46) No, no, no. (59:46) This ain’t right. (59:47) This is five, five, right? (59:50) I need 0.5. (59:51) There’s a 0.5. (59:54) Dude, what are you doing to me? (59:56) I told you this morning.(59:57) There’s zero, 0.5. (59:58) And I put nine, 10, 11 in there. (1:00:00) If you want to grab those. (1:00:03) They totally didn’t read that today.(1:00:05) I apologize. (1:00:07) All right. (1:00:07) You guys talk more about music.(1:00:08) All right. (1:00:09) I will play full catch up. (1:00:10) Give me two minutes.(1:00:11) You guys talk. (1:00:12) We’ll get this. (1:00:12) We’ll get this sorted out.(1:00:14) Small technical difficulty. (1:00:18) But I think, uh, yeah, man, I think you got something there that (1:00:21) Zelensky could have done this on purpose. (1:00:23) He could be playing 5d chess with Trump.(1:00:27) Outwitting him at his own game. (1:00:29) It’s possible. (1:00:31) Have you seen the, uh, there was a documentary.(1:00:34) I think, uh, Oliver stone was in it. (1:00:36) Um, Ukraine on fire. (1:00:38) It’s, uh, it’s about the color, the, oh, the color revolution.(1:00:43) Would that kind of like started a lot of this, right? (1:00:46) That the regime regimes change, uh, going back, uh, what was it? (1:00:52) 2000 and I forgot the years 14. (1:00:56) Yeah. (1:00:56) It was crazy.(1:00:58) I watched that. (1:00:58) I watched that. (1:00:59) I could only find it on rumble.(1:01:00) It had been suppressed everywhere. (1:01:02) Um, and you know, because it was more of a, the, the, uh, from a (1:01:07) perspective of, of the Russian side, but ultimately it, it, it was (1:01:11) basically what I’ve learned from the whole Ukrainian thing is it’s, (1:01:16) um, it was the same thing, um, Russia and the U S trying to do (1:01:21) regime change in Ukraine, right? (1:01:25) The same thing that they’ve been doing in the Middle East as well. (1:01:29) Um, so that’s what happens when you play politics.(1:01:32) It’s just escalates just like the Middle East has escalated over the years. (1:01:37) It’s escalated in, in, um, in Ukraine and it’ll, you know, so as long as you (1:01:43) keep meddling in other people’s affairs or in other countries, you’re just (1:01:47) going to just, that’s, what’s going to happen. (1:01:51) I think you’re right.(1:01:52) Yeah. (1:01:52) And in my conversation with Scott Horton, obviously we’ve saw what’s (1:01:56) happening here. (1:01:56) It’s groundhog day over and over again.(1:01:58) It’s United States interests, backing, shitty, evil people to fight (1:02:02) Russian interests, backing, shitty, evil people. (1:02:05) So, okay. (1:02:06) All right.(1:02:07) Fine. (1:02:08) What the, what are we doing on their doorstep though? (1:02:10) Like literally imagine, imagine them coming Cuba missile crisis. (1:02:15) Hello.(1:02:16) It’s all Monroe doctrine for the, and not for, not for we, right. (1:02:20) It’s unbelievable. (1:02:23) Greenland is national security.(1:02:26) I mean, you, you, Ukraine is on the board of Russia and they scream national (1:02:31) security and we want Greenland. (1:02:35) Well, Greenland’s kind of up for grabs, right? (1:02:37) There’s not that many people there. (1:02:38) Yeah, we can buy it, but that’s like a totally different thing than national (1:02:41) security, right? (1:02:43) Like we just forget about it because they probably want to buy a mineral (1:02:46) countries, right? (1:02:48) If they can get the rare metals from Ukraine, then maybe they’ll just (1:02:52) forget about Greenland.(1:02:54) Yeah. (1:02:55) Great. (1:02:55) No, Greenland.(1:02:55) It’s interesting because it is something that it’s for, you know, what, what’s (1:02:58) in there, what’s on, on the ground there. (1:03:00) What can we extract from it? (1:03:02) But it’s also part of the smoke and mirrors, right? (1:03:04) It’s like the Gulf of America, right? (1:03:07) It’s, it’s all, Hey, look over here. (1:03:09) Don’t look over here.(1:03:10) We’re going to try to do something else while you guys are paying attention (1:03:13) to this dumb shit. (1:03:14) And then, and, and flexing about Panama after giving it up, like it was given, (1:03:19) it was given back. (1:03:20) Like that’s how it works.(1:03:22) Unfortunately. (1:03:22) I don’t think you can play native American giver, you know? (1:03:28) I think Trump already forgot about that too. (1:03:30) I think he was, somebody told him about Panama.(1:03:33) He’s like, Oh, this is terrible. (1:03:34) This is the worst thing that’s ever happened to America. (1:03:38) Jingling keys, jingling keys.(1:03:40) Yeah. (1:03:42) Yeah. (1:03:42) And then he was off to Ukraine again.(1:03:45) All right. (1:03:46) Is this correct, sir? (1:03:47) So yeah, I know people have probably seen it, but we got to look at the fight first (1:03:53) and then we’ll go back to the lead up a little bit just to show that it’s not crazy. (1:04:01) Actually measured my dick and it’s a good 12 inches long while yours, Mr. (1:04:05) Zelinsky is really short.(1:04:07) I mean, what do you have? (1:04:08) Something like a two inch micro penis. (1:04:11) And you think you can sit and talk with the grownups? (1:04:13) Wait a minute. (1:04:14) Now, shut the fuck up.(1:04:15) Not only do you have a micro penis, which is an important point, but on top of that, (1:04:20) you refuse to share your Pokemon cards and that’s not nice. (1:04:23) So first of all, a two inch penis is not a micro penis. (1:04:27) Okay.(1:04:27) And for your second point, my Pokemon cards are all mine. (1:04:32) And I don’t have to share them if I don’t want to. (1:04:34) I work super hard together.(1:04:36) And they are really special to me. (1:04:39) You don’t understand. (1:04:41) You can’t continue to play with us if you refuse to share.(1:04:45) It’s not fair. (1:04:46) I understand that. (1:04:49) But that’s how it is when you play with friends.(1:04:52) So when I ask you to show us all your Pokemon dragon cards. (1:04:57) I received them for Christmas. (1:04:58) They are my dragons.(1:05:00) If you keep going like this, you know what? (1:05:02) Nobody will want to play with you anymore. (1:05:04) You never want to let me play with your Xbox. (1:05:08) How do you think that makes me feel? (1:05:10) There are some games that are too violent for you.(1:05:12) And you’re still too young. (1:05:13) It’s not that violent. (1:05:14) Yes, it’s violent.(1:05:15) And you’ll end up having nightmares again, crying to your mom. (1:05:19) And then she’ll call my mom. (1:05:20) I’ll be the one who gets in trouble.(1:05:22) So you’re going to stop complaining and give me your Pokemon cards and your lunch money (1:05:26) before I punch you. (1:05:29) I’m sorry. (1:05:30) I had to throw that one in.(1:05:31) There’s so many good ones out there. (1:05:33) Well, no, that’s perfect. (1:05:35) Because when it comes down to it, it is all about the violent video games.(1:05:39) So we have to put it at the hands of Nintendo, who owns Pokemon, right? (1:05:43) I mean, the fact that you’re like capturing animals and putting them in a ball and then (1:05:49) making them fight each other. (1:05:50) That’s just you see what happens. (1:05:52) It just escalates issues in Ukraine, Russia.(1:05:55) America gets involved, not the EU. (1:05:57) It’s just, you know, it’s all Japan’s fault. (1:06:00) They just haven’t stopped since World War II.(1:06:03) You’re blowing my mind. (1:06:04) Let’s drive them into this. (1:06:07) You’re making connections I never thought possible.(1:06:09) Wow. (1:06:10) Okay. (1:06:11) I got to rethink my whole position on this.(1:06:14) I thought it was Australia. (1:06:16) But Pokemon? (1:06:17) I just, I don’t know. (1:06:19) They do have a lot of Pokemon looking animals on there too.(1:06:23) They do. (1:06:23) Actually, they probably are. (1:06:25) That’s like literally like that’s hell.(1:06:27) That’s got to be hell, right? (1:06:28) The Outback, whatever animals are able to survive that place. (1:06:32) That’s got to be a pretty… (1:06:34) I got a lot of listeners in Australia. (1:06:36) I might have to go visit one of these states.(1:06:38) It’s definitely on my bucket list to go down there and check out the Outback. (1:06:43) Can I ask how you came up with the name Roaming Bandits? (1:06:46) Yeah. (1:06:47) I just, very simple.(1:06:49) Roaming. (1:06:49) I just like Roman Band. (1:06:51) Roaming Bandits.(1:06:52) There we go. (1:06:53) Like it. (1:06:54) I thought that Roman had something to do with it, but it’s cool that you kind of incorporated (1:06:58) that.(1:06:59) Yeah. (1:06:59) Thanks. (1:07:00) So, all right, Jason, take over, sir.(1:07:03) All right. (1:07:04) All right. (1:07:05) So we can get back to the real thing.(1:07:08) Let’s go with number seven. (1:07:12) All right. (1:07:12) I do have them all uploaded now.(1:07:14) I swear I, until I screw up the next one, it won’t be screwed up. (1:07:18) Yeah. (1:07:20) Okay.(1:07:20) Is that one correct? (1:07:22) Looks like it. (1:07:23) Yeah. (1:07:24) So this is actually where they start fighting and this is what the media, what Morning Joe, (1:07:29) everybody else is calling just a disgrace.(1:07:32) It’s disrespectful. (1:07:34) It’s making America look like idiots and blah, blah, blah. (1:07:39) So this is what they’re talking about.(1:07:41) And Jason, can you share the Michael Maus thing about what, how the media, what they share (1:07:46) truth or something versus fact? (1:07:48) What’s that statement that he always says? (1:07:49) Factual, but not truthful. (1:07:51) So they’ll share real clips, real statements, but completely out of context. (1:07:55) So it sounds like the opposite.(1:07:57) I’m a Rick Rubin guy. (1:07:59) Broman, I’m assuming you might like Rick Rubin a little bit, but he has the things that context (1:08:03) changes the content. (1:08:05) And here, here’s one of those.(1:08:07) Here’s a clip. (1:08:08) Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect, I think it’s disrespectful for you to come (1:08:11) to the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media. (1:08:13) Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have (1:08:18) manpower problems.(1:08:19) You should be thanking the president for trying to bring it into this conflict. (1:08:21) I’ve been to Ukraine. (1:08:22) Did you see what problems we have? (1:08:24) I have been to… (1:08:25) I’ve actually watched and seen the stories, and I know what happens is you bring people, (1:08:31) you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President.(1:08:33) Do you disagree that you’ve had problems bringing people in your military? (1:08:37) And do you think it’s disrespectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of (1:08:40) America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your (1:08:44) country? (1:08:45) A lot of questions. (1:08:46) Let’s start from the beginning. (1:08:47) First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you.(1:08:51) But you have a nice ocean and don’t feel now, but you will feel it in the future. (1:08:55) You don’t know that. (1:08:57) God bless you.(1:08:57) God bless you. (1:08:58) You’re not in the war. (1:08:59) Don’t tell us what we’re going to feel.(1:09:00) We’re trying to solve a problem. (1:09:01) Don’t tell us what we’re going to feel. (1:09:03) I’m not telling you.(1:09:04) Because you’re in no position to dictate that. (1:09:09) Don’t tell us what we’re going to feel. (1:09:11) You have no idea.(1:09:14) We’ve got to get a J.D. Vance down. (1:09:16) Damn, I’ve got to work on that. (1:09:18) Are you saying, Mr. President, that you think Mr. Zelensky, you can’t even say thank you? (1:09:24) That’s not it.(1:09:25) Yeah, that’s the thing. (1:09:26) So that’s what everybody got pissed off about. (1:09:28) It’s like J.D. Vance, mostly, when he stepped in and he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.(1:09:33) You’re coming in here telling us what to do. (1:09:35) You’re telling us that we need to give you a security guarantee when we’ve given you $350 (1:09:40) billion so far. (1:09:42) And for what? (1:09:43) People are dying.(1:09:45) You’re not making progress. (1:09:46) You’re not winning this war. (1:09:47) You don’t have the cards.(1:09:50) The problem was the cameras were on. (1:09:52) That’s 100%. (1:09:53) J.D., you think a Trump and a J., you think those personalities are going to allow to get (1:10:00) any slight disrespect in their house, on their time, with their cameras, with their whatever (1:10:08) they’re doing, whatever they perceive they’re doing? (1:10:10) This is a total, completely ego, right? (1:10:13) We know that that’s so easy to get out of hand.(1:10:15) But this is crazy that he, first of all, did anyone see him get out of the car? (1:10:21) Zelensky looked like he was coked up out of his mind. (1:10:25) He was jittery and shaky. (1:10:28) And it’s almost like he just couldn’t keep from biting his tongue anymore.(1:10:32) And then that stuff just started coming out. (1:10:35) It was the same talking points, an ocean between us. (1:10:37) Didn’t we use that in World War II? (1:10:40) Oh, there’s an ocean between.(1:10:42) Oh, you know, you’re happy. (1:10:43) You’re lucky, lucky to be happy. (1:10:45) Yeah, I think the question is, does he want peace? (1:10:51) Once you start a war, there’s only certain ways to get to peace, right? (1:10:58) Either get demolished by your enemy, demolish your enemy, or you come to the table and a (1:11:04) stalemate.(1:11:05) I mean, I’m thinking of the three most obvious examples, right? (1:11:09) What’s the current situation? (1:11:11) Do you want peace? (1:11:12) Where are we at? (1:11:13) It seems like there’s a stalemate. (1:11:15) That’s what I’m getting from a lot of the information I’m seeing. (1:11:19) And so if you’re asking for money to continue the war, it seems like you’re asking for money (1:11:25) to continue the war versus, you know, sitting down at the table and coming with a compromise, (1:11:30) right? (1:11:31) And a lot of people, I think a lot of people that support Ukraine are like, no, there’s (1:11:35) no compromise that you know.(1:11:37) But then the only other option is provide them with enough weapon to decimate Russia, (1:11:44) right? (1:11:44) Because that’s the only way you’re going to get everything you want. (1:11:48) And people, they can have all the equipment they want, but literally, you spoke of the (1:11:52) stalemate. (1:11:53) That stalemate the last six weeks resulted in like 100,000 deaths between the two sides.(1:12:00) That’s like, this is just carnage beyond carnage. (1:12:04) I mean, and you’re right. (1:12:05) It is literally about the peace.(1:12:07) He does not want peace because these people are not voting for peace. (1:12:11) They have gotten billions and built and they’re walking around with $100,000 cars or whatever (1:12:16) they’re doing rich out the gills. (1:12:18) All three, 286 of their parliament members have taken our money and are profiting, sending (1:12:23) their children mentally disabled, throwing them in vans and having them blown up on the (1:12:28) front lines for their greed.(1:12:30) It didn’t start out that way. (1:12:32) That’s not how they start. (1:12:33) Once again, it’s kind of like this.(1:12:34) It wasn’t the end game, right? (1:12:36) But Zelensky got pressure from the Azov to fight, not give up. (1:12:41) But once it turned, he then got caught up in all of it, right? (1:12:45) And then you’re not getting out. (1:12:46) You’re in a loop now, right? (1:12:47) He’s in the loop that he can knock it out of because I don’t think Azov will let him (1:12:51) live if he doesn’t continue this.(1:12:53) And I don’t think he can get out without and it’s profitable for all everyone in Ukraine (1:12:58) that’s sending their children to die. (1:12:59) It’s profitable. (1:13:02) So that’s just an opinion from what I’ve seen.(1:13:05) They’re not sending their best. (1:13:07) No, I think I think you’re right. (1:13:09) So what, like it, you know, some of the Russia came into Crimea with, you know, unarmed (1:13:16) troops back in what, 14, 16, something like that.(1:13:20) And but Roman, I went into that. (1:13:21) Do you know how many people died in the invasion of Crimea in 2014? (1:13:25) Well, like six. (1:13:25) Take a guess.(1:13:27) It was six. (1:13:29) Right. (1:13:29) Like we saw your interview, man.(1:13:31) We know once again, I’m not I’m not belittling the invasion of Crimea, right? (1:13:36) No, no, no. (1:13:36) I’m just I’m just saying, like, like, you know, I think you’re right in the sense of like, (1:13:40) wasn’t it? (1:13:41) Well, I think maybe you did speak about that this week. (1:13:43) That’s where I’m getting the information from.(1:13:45) OK, so don’t believe everything. (1:13:46) It was with Scott. (1:13:47) It was on Scott’s literally.(1:13:49) Yeah, that’s that’s what it was. (1:13:50) Yeah. (1:13:51) Share your thoughts.(1:13:52) So what was it? (1:13:54) So you guys were talking about the Crimea coming in. (1:13:58) And then then from there, it was the Azov that started throwing, you know, launching, (1:14:04) you know, missiles and bombs or whatever at that area. (1:14:07) Right.(1:14:08) So they’re they’re the ones that have the power there. (1:14:11) So you’re probably right that they’re the ones that are like, no, we’re we’re not going to (1:14:14) allow anything but the destruction of Russia. (1:14:17) Right.(1:14:17) So that’s that’s one way to to end a war, I guess. (1:14:21) But I mean, that means that you have to bring in the EU and the US for that, you know. (1:14:27) And then, you know, the question becomes is when will the nuclear weapons start flying? (1:14:33) Right.(1:14:33) At what point does Russia say escalation is the concern? (1:14:36) Yeah. (1:14:36) So and I never think I’d agree with Mark Milley ever. (1:14:41) Never thought I would agree with Mark Milley.(1:14:43) But after August, September 2022, after Ukraine had initially like like fought off the initial (1:14:51) onslaught, Milley’s like, that is the best time. (1:14:54) This is when you’d have to negotiate now while this is the upper hand. (1:14:58) This is it.(1:14:59) But we pushed we pushed our hand once again. (1:15:02) We didn’t have the cards either because they didn’t have the people and they didn’t have (1:15:05) the expertise and they didn’t have it, you know, to do it. (1:15:08) So, yeah, well, I got I got kids that are turning 18 soon.(1:15:15) So this is starting to hit a lot harder than some of the other wars. (1:15:20) And it was just, you know, that, you know, was it was it going to be me? (1:15:23) That gets, you know, I saw the I saw the videos that, you know, that you were referencing (1:15:30) that people getting pulled into the vans and dragged into into the front lines in Ukraine. (1:15:36) That’s that’s I mean, if that’s if that’s true, again, they always have to question what you (1:15:41) see online.(1:15:42) If that’s true, that’s that’s just crazy. (1:15:45) I mean, that’s just nuts. (1:15:47) And Zelensky has said before, like, we are going to need your people.(1:15:51) We need your sons and daughters to go fight. (1:15:54) And even in this meeting, he mentions like we need the security guarantee or it’s going (1:15:58) to be you, you know, and a security guarantee. (1:16:01) If you think about it, what does that mean? (1:16:03) That means the United States fighting or at least keeping giving money, more money, more (1:16:08) money, more money forever, which is its own form of conscription or slavery.(1:16:13) You know, it’s it’s just like you have to realize what this means. (1:16:18) And even out bigger outside of that, Jason, is why do you think we want the minerals is (1:16:23) so we can put a presence there? (1:16:25) Like, take a step back. (1:16:27) We need a military presence to protect our interests in the mineral protection extraction (1:16:32) while we’re there.(1:16:33) So like they’re bamboozling us to put military there by saying we want the minerals. (1:16:38) They’re trying once again, they’re framing it like it’s us that know what it would take, (1:16:44) just like what it would take to have a no fly zone. (1:16:46) You would need to eradicate the area around the air where air to air missiles can still (1:16:51) strike.(1:16:52) Right. (1:16:52) Or surface air missiles. (1:16:53) So it’s not just the little thing they’re literally telling us it would have troops (1:16:59) on the ground to protect the interests of protecting the minerals that we are going to rip off (1:17:03) from that.(1:17:04) Right. (1:17:04) Like that’s how it works. (1:17:06) It’s just another excuse to do it because they already have like nuclear stuff.(1:17:10) They already have bioengineering there. (1:17:13) They’ve had they’ve been putting military people there already. (1:17:17) That’s why Rutger was so pissed off.(1:17:19) And I think where Zelensky, I think, you know, third language kind of propagandist, not he (1:17:25) said that one thing about the about being safe that Trump, I think, took because Trump (1:17:29) does kind of one piece. (1:17:31) I think Trump wants to be his legacy is I don’t want war. (1:17:34) I don’t want conflict.(1:17:35) I’m a dealmaker. (1:17:36) His whole life has been the deal. (1:17:39) Right.(1:17:39) So he wouldn’t want to tarnish that with this little guy walking into his office and trying (1:17:45) to, like, tell him that we’re the ones that are going to die if he doesn’t continue fighting. (1:17:51) Yeah. (1:17:51) And I heard that from Zelensky that he doubled down on, you know, it’s going to be your (1:17:57) people, your kids, your sons and daughters coming to to fight the war.(1:18:02) And then he had to backtrack that because he was giving some pushback on that. (1:18:06) No, I said, if, you know, we don’t get the support, then it’s like, yeah, no, I don’t (1:18:11) think so. (1:18:11) I will fight to make sure that my kids don’t have to go to that.(1:18:14) Yeah. (1:18:15) It’s just like retirement. (1:18:18) But what’s your response? (1:18:19) Are they Churchillian? (1:18:20) I mean, are we World War Two in this all over again? (1:18:24) Yeah, they’re like, well, no, we’re going to stand up and we’re going to step on your (1:18:28) throat.(1:18:29) Like, what? (1:18:30) They’re going to fund that with a few billion dollars. (1:18:33) Right. (1:18:34) I saw the propaganda rearm Europe.(1:18:36) So it’s it’s escalating, ramping up for World War Three. (1:18:42) And what France and UK have nuclear. (1:18:44) Germany does not.(1:18:46) I think that’s those are the only two of the five of those five. (1:18:49) Right. (1:18:50) You know, I’m not sure I’d have to look at it again, but I know Germany does not have (1:18:54) nuclear capability.(1:18:57) Yeah, well, let’s go back. (1:18:58) So we’ve seen the fight. (1:19:00) We’ve seen the media frame a little bit.(1:19:02) They’re saying this is the worst thing to ever happen in American diplomacy, blah, blah, (1:19:05) blah. (1:19:07) So let’s go back and see how it started. (1:19:09) Clip one.(1:19:11) You got that? (1:19:12) I’ve got a flip one, sir. (1:19:13) Have I got clip one? (1:19:15) You better have clip one. (1:19:17) That’s the one I started playing wrong, incorrectly.(1:19:20) Yeah, we have something that is a very fair deal. (1:19:24) And we look forward to getting in and digging, digging, digging and working and getting (1:19:29) some of the rare earth. (1:19:31) But it means we’re going to be inside.(1:19:32) And it’s it’s a big commitment from the United States. (1:19:35) And we appreciate working with you very much. (1:19:38) And we will continue to do that.(1:19:40) We have had some very good discussions with Russia. (1:19:44) I spoke with President Putin. (1:19:46) And we’re going to try and bring this to a close with something that you want and that (1:19:49) he wants.(1:19:49) We have to negotiate a deal. (1:19:51) But we’ve started the confines of a deal. (1:19:53) And I think something can happen.(1:19:56) The big thing is the number of soldiers, mostly at this point, but soldiers being killed, (1:20:03) they’re losing thousands of soldiers on both sides. (1:20:05) We’re losing a lot of soldiers. (1:20:06) And we want to see it stop.(1:20:08) And we want to see the money get put to different kinds of use, like rebuilding, the (1:20:12) rebuilding. (1:20:13) And we’re going to be working very hard. (1:20:18) Yeah, so nothing too crazy here.(1:20:20) He’s like, hey, we’ve got a good deal. (1:20:22) We’re ready to sign it. (1:20:23) We’re going to dig, dig, dig.(1:20:25) Which means we’re going to be deep inside. (1:20:27) I know I’ve got a couple inches myself. (1:20:29) JD here has a few more deep, deep inside.(1:20:32) You’re not going to believe it. (1:20:33) Tremendous. (1:20:36) But yeah, he’s on both sides.(1:20:38) His favorite term on both sides. (1:20:42) He’s got to say on both sides. (1:20:43) He’s always on both sides.(1:20:44) Because the motherfucking guy’s a dealmaker. (1:20:46) He’s a dealmaker. (1:20:47) If you can’t see this guy just wants to like haggle and just bargain all day.(1:20:52) That’s what he does. (1:20:53) That’s what he does. (1:20:54) Yeah, if you can’t get both sides to the table, you’re not going to get anything done.(1:20:58) So right. (1:20:58) You got to get you have to talk to Putin, even if you do believe he’s a monster. (1:21:02) Maybe he is.(1:21:05) No, it’s it’s it’s the same thing with the Middle East, right? (1:21:07) It was, you know, we’re going to go in there and get the oil, right? (1:21:10) That’s you just said the thing, right? (1:21:13) So we’re going to get all that oil. (1:21:16) So, yeah, I mean, there’s always a cost to to it. (1:21:20) And yeah, it’s unfortunate that government gets involved in all that stuff.(1:21:24) Then again, you know, they’ll they’ll like to make the deals and for the for the benefit of (1:21:37) their cronies. (1:21:38) Right. (1:21:38) So, yeah, you know, you see you see a situation where you’re like, OK, well, we’ll make peace.(1:21:45) But what is it for us? (1:21:46) Right. (1:21:47) It’s not it’s it can’t it can’t just be about like, hey, what about you know, there’s just (1:21:51) a lot of bloodshed. (1:21:52) It’s a stalemate.(1:21:53) And and perhaps, you know, let’s just stop, stop, do a ceasefire and come to the table (1:21:59) and figure things out. (1:22:00) No, it’s you know, you have to you have to throw a little bit in there for you. (1:22:04) Right.(1:22:04) Unfortunately, or fortunately, I mean, whoever side you’re on. (1:22:07) But yeah. (1:22:09) Right.(1:22:09) Exactly. (1:22:10) Yeah. (1:22:11) So I’m sure and definitely saw it already.(1:22:13) People in the media, people on the left, especially taking issue with even the fact that he’s (1:22:18) talking to Putin and not just condemning him as a dictator. (1:22:22) He’s a dictator, guys. (1:22:23) I don’t know if you knew this.(1:22:25) Putin, I don’t know if you’re aware. (1:22:27) He’s a dictator. (1:22:30) And he will at least I don’t agree with his elections, but he holds them.(1:22:35) I don’t I don’t agree. (1:22:36) Like if you ask if I agree with the outcome of 88 percent approval rating, I’m going (1:22:40) to probably say, no, probably not. (1:22:43) But they’re probably bigger than ours.(1:22:45) Right. (1:22:45) But he still does them right. (1:22:47) Like you couldn’t have feigned an election.(1:22:51) Like on top of that, arresting your political opponents, killing Gonzalo Lira in prison (1:22:56) while while crying that Navalny died in a Russian prison, a Russian person in a Russian (1:23:02) prison died. (1:23:03) Oh, my God. (1:23:04) Oh, end of the world.(1:23:05) An American died in a Ukraine prison that we’re funding. (1:23:09) Which one really matters here? (1:23:12) Which one matters? (1:23:14) Democracy, freedom, whatever. (1:23:16) Like which one? (1:23:17) You know, that’s where and then it sends me to 11.(1:23:20) Because I don’t have this like cushiony escalation for me. (1:23:23) I go I go nuclear right away. (1:23:25) My head just pops off every time.(1:23:29) Yeah. (1:23:30) So, yeah. (1:23:31) Then another thing the media did was freaking out that somebody asked Zelensky why he doesn’t (1:23:38) wear a suit.(1:23:38) And I was led to believe through the original reaction that I saw that it was J.D. Vance (1:23:43) that asked him this question. (1:23:44) But it was not it was one of the reporters standing around. (1:23:48) So this is number four.(1:23:49) If you want to pull that up. (1:23:53) Zelensky, why don’t you wear a suit? (1:23:56) Why don’t you wear a suit? (1:23:58) You’re the highest level in this country’s office and you refuse to wear a suit. (1:24:02) I just want to see you own a suit.(1:24:04) Yeah, yeah. (1:24:05) Problems. (1:24:05) A lot of Americans have problems when you’re not expected to be in this office.(1:24:09) I will wear a costume after this world will finish. (1:24:13) Yes. (1:24:13) Maybe something like yours.(1:24:16) Yes. (1:24:17) Maybe something better. (1:24:18) I don’t know.(1:24:19) We will see. (1:24:20) Maybe something cheaper. (1:24:21) But yeah, thank you.(1:24:26) Kind of a cringy. (1:24:27) You know, Florida suit, can’t they? (1:24:29) It’s all our money. (1:24:30) They’re walking around with $100,000 Gucci bag, for God’s sakes.(1:24:34) Yeah, well, what do you think about the suit thing, Mark? (1:24:38) I know that Zelensky’s thing is a costume, right? (1:24:41) I know what he is is a costume. (1:24:43) So him walking in because it’s a visual thing. (1:24:46) Like, I totally understand what Zelensky went in there trying to get some camera (1:24:50) time to look tough.(1:24:52) So he came in and just like the Nicaragua guy, like Noriega comes in with his green hat, (1:24:57) or like Castro’s got that military look, right? (1:24:59) That is who he is. (1:25:00) Trump is a suit and tie guy. (1:25:02) I don’t give a shit about a suit.(1:25:03) I give a shit about ideas. (1:25:05) I care about people. (1:25:07) I care about getting things resolved.(1:25:10) That’s what I care about. (1:25:11) What are your thoughts on it? (1:25:14) Me or let’s go to Roman. (1:25:17) Roman? (1:25:18) Yeah, Roman.(1:25:18) No, I agree with that. (1:25:20) I think it’s, you know, the suit part, I agree with you. (1:25:24) It’s part of the statement.(1:25:26) It’s like, you know, he’s trying to look militant or whatever. (1:25:30) It’s the same way that all those, you know, dictators have always done over the years. (1:25:37) The thing that concerns me is the fact that the media asked the question because they (1:25:42) knew that that was going to, you know, take care of the narrative.(1:25:45) I mean, it was going to take over the narrative, right? (1:25:47) It was going to be part of the thing that created a conflict within the people. (1:25:51) And that’s what we’re talking about. (1:25:52) We’re not talking about peace.(1:25:53) We’re not talking about funding wars. (1:25:56) We’re talking about who’s wearing what, right? (1:25:59) It’s just another way to do a reality fashion show or fashion show. (1:26:03) Who are you wearing, Roman? (1:26:05) Who are you wearing? (1:26:06) Just a generic outdoor camping shirt.(1:26:11) Love it. (1:26:12) Yeah, agreed. (1:26:13) I think what he wears is not important.(1:26:15) He looks fine. (1:26:16) He’s not like in drab clothes that are falling apart. (1:26:19) They’re nice.(1:26:20) Who cares? (1:26:22) It was kind of cringy to see the reporter ask that question in that context, especially (1:26:26) where they’re just talking about like thousands of people dying and putting an end to the war. (1:26:32) And he’s like, why don’t you wear a suit? (1:26:33) I was like, fuck off, man. (1:26:36) And on top of that, Jason, isn’t the angle of the camera shot that they share with us (1:26:40) telling because you thought it was JD and anyone who else wasn’t watching that (1:26:44) saw that it was coming from that side of the room, and they would assume JD.(1:26:48) Didn’t sound that dissimilar from him. (1:26:51) They didn’t clarify reporter asked questions, right? (1:26:53) It’s easy to be like, JD asks another world leader why they look like a schlub. (1:27:01) It is funny how they manufacture just even the camera angles, right? (1:27:06) Yeah, so we can go back to Morning Joe, number nine, if you want to cue that up.(1:27:10) They talk about the suit question, and it’s not 100% wrong. (1:27:16) But just the this is the other side of it. (1:27:18) Just the amount of offense that Morning Joe takes to this is kind of crazy.(1:27:23) So many things deeply disturbing about that meeting, but you don’t have to take that from (1:27:29) me. (1:27:30) Just look at Marco Rubio slouched on the couch when the question is asked of a man who has (1:27:37) been enduring the most horrific of slaughter from Russian troops over the past three years, (1:27:43) and watching people that he knew and loved killed and watching the country that he loved (1:27:47) invaded by Russian invaders, killed, asked if he was wearing a suit, why he wasn’t wearing (1:27:56) the suit. (1:27:57) Interesting, Winston Churchill, never asked that question in Washington.(1:28:01) Well, we must talk slowly to know that I’m serious. (1:28:08) This is the worst question that’s ever been asked of a leader in our time. (1:28:14) Like it was bad, but it was a country he had, like, it’s like Ukraine was past tense already (1:28:19) the way he talked about it.(1:28:21) Yeah, yeah. (1:28:22) And he’s like, Oh, Winston Churchill was never asked that question. (1:28:25) And for people that didn’t know, I didn’t know either till I heard that.(1:28:29) And I was like, What the fuck is he talking about? (1:28:30) Churchill actually wore like a zip up onesie thing during wartime that he called a siren (1:28:37) suit. (1:28:38) So when the bomb sirens go off, then he could quickly jump into it. (1:28:41) And I don’t know why he doesn’t just stay in his clothes from the beginning, but that’s (1:28:45) his own business.(1:28:48) What was he talking about? (1:28:50) What did he say about Marco Rubio? (1:28:51) Was that a reference to what Marco Rubio said about the suit? (1:28:54) I don’t, I don’t get his demeanor after the meeting, how he was slouched and like, Oh, (1:29:00) this is bad. (1:29:01) It’s embarrassing. (1:29:03) That’s interesting.(1:29:03) Because his reaction to it, right? (1:29:05) It’s like the woman who put her hand in her head. (1:29:07) She’s like, Oh, we just lost every bit of funding for Ukraine. (1:29:10) Yeah.(1:29:11) Like that one. (1:29:12) That was my favorite. (1:29:14) Yeah.(1:29:15) All right. (1:29:16) Yeah, it’s interesting to see the media kind of like, you know, take the side of Bush and (1:29:21) Rubio and some of the neocons and stuff. (1:29:23) It’s like, Oh, yeah, okay.(1:29:24) Well, that that that answers a lot. (1:29:27) What happened? (1:29:28) That’s what’s funny. (1:29:28) I asked Scott that question yesterday.(1:29:30) I’m like, what happened to the class? (1:29:32) What happened to the liberal? (1:29:35) Like, I offered people to watch Scott Horton talk about a different side of Ukraine than (1:29:40) what they’ve been told on MSNBC and CNN. (1:29:42) I’m offering it. (1:29:44) And they’re like, no, thank you.(1:29:45) I don’t need it from a right wing fringe libertarian. (1:29:48) And I’m like, a right wing, what, what? (1:29:52) Half of these guys were probably more like you than them. (1:29:55) Like there were classic Democrats who realize that you’re full of shit.(1:29:59) I don’t know. (1:30:02) Yeah, I’ve I’ve met a lot of ex Bernie supporters in the libertarian movement. (1:30:07) You know, you’re the libertarian movement is kind of a home for all those disenfranchised (1:30:12) people for better or worse.(1:30:15) I guess it’s hard to unite, though, right? (1:30:17) Because it is literally a tribe of tribalists. (1:30:19) Right. (1:30:19) So, like, we have to hate.(1:30:21) We see those memes all the time where it’s like the three libertarians beating on each (1:30:24) other, like or like the other circle in the copier right from office space. (1:30:28) And like the copier is a libertarian, too. (1:30:33) It’s a tribe of anti tribalists, really.(1:30:35) I mean, it’s people that are like, man, I’m sick of these fucking assholes over here and (1:30:40) those ones over there. (1:30:41) I need my own thing. (1:30:42) But then they get together and they’re not even on the same page.(1:30:44) So it doesn’t really work, unfortunately. (1:30:51) Let’s do one more. (1:30:52) We’ll finish off with this one for the Zelensky stuff.(1:30:55) Number three, just a funny thing from Donald Trump here. (1:30:59) I’ve got this one talking about digging for those rare earth materials of it. (1:31:09) We don’t know exactly how much because we’re going to be putting some money in a fund that (1:31:14) we’re going to get from the raw earth that we’re going to be taking and sharing the raw (1:31:19) earth.(1:31:20) A lot of money will be made from the sale and from the use of raw earth. (1:31:24) And as you know, our country doesn’t have much raw earth. (1:31:26) We have a lot of oil and gas, but we don’t have a lot of the raw earth.(1:31:33) And that’s it. (1:31:34) He just kept repeatedly saying raw earth instead of rare earth. (1:31:39) The earth is so raw over there.(1:31:41) We’re going to bring it all back to the United States. (1:31:44) We’re going to not. (1:31:45) We’re going to wrap it up.(1:31:48) Just typical Trump style, man. (1:31:50) It’s so funny just watching. (1:31:51) It’s like he gets caught on a bone and won’t let go until the next bone that he grabs onto.(1:31:55) That’s like that’s Trump. (1:31:56) And if we can’t see that after all this time, like literally, it’s almost like I don’t get (1:32:01) I don’t react to that stuff anymore. (1:32:03) Like, oh, yeah, it’s just Trump again.(1:32:05) You know, it was the one where the media take him literally, but don’t take him seriously. (1:32:11) And his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. (1:32:14) And it’s kind of like, yeah, a little bit of that.(1:32:17) A little bit of that. (1:32:19) Yeah, I think you guys mentioned a few weeks ago on one of your shows that, you know, if (1:32:25) the media would have just like let him do his thing, you know, and just it wouldn’t have (1:32:30) got into this extreme. (1:32:32) And I think even, you know, if they would have if they would have praised him, you know, (1:32:38) rubbed his ego, they would have gotten everything.(1:32:41) They would have he would have grabbed on to that. (1:32:44) And he’d be gone. (1:32:46) Yeah, there would be no Trump anymore.(1:32:48) His eight years would be over. (1:32:50) Like, literally, they could have just let it. (1:32:52) But the D state just did not like what he said when he came in and said, drain the swamp.(1:32:57) It was like target time. (1:32:58) They’re like this this effort. (1:33:00) We can’t let him.(1:33:01) And they should have just let him talk. (1:33:02) To your point. (1:33:03) He just talks.(1:33:05) So let him talk. (1:33:06) And then it would have probably all blown over in a weird way. (1:33:09) But they actually systematically went after him.(1:33:11) And that’s probably a mistake for the most famous person, at least in the world that (1:33:15) I would think, like most recognizable person in the world. (1:33:19) Exactly. (1:33:20) Yeah, they could have they could have even pushed them, you know, further into into the (1:33:25) left, you know, just by praising him, because that’s all he wants is, you know, from the (1:33:30) left.(1:33:30) It’s not like he’s a right wing far right. (1:33:34) Like, it’s just silly. (1:33:38) Yeah, I’ve said a lot and I maintain that I think he could have run as a Democrat and (1:33:43) we would be living in opposite world right now where Democrats would be loving the shit (1:33:46) out of him.(1:33:47) Republicans would be freaking out, losing their minds about everything he does. (1:33:52) And he wouldn’t have to change policy, really. (1:33:55) Yeah.(1:33:55) What do you think? (1:33:56) Yeah, but the problem was Hillary picked him as his run as his as his opposition. (1:34:00) She’s like, Donald, you should run against me. (1:34:03) Wouldn’t that be cute? (1:34:05) Like, literally, like, yeah, it’s weird how much that got pushed.(1:34:08) You know, I think that’s part of the anger, too, is the fact that they that he actually (1:34:12) did beat her. (1:34:15) And then they were just angry about that. (1:34:17) And and instead of like, you know, we’re talking about earlier, just, you know, rolling with (1:34:22) the punches and having a plan B and thinking about they just went full on bore hatred.(1:34:26) And again, during his first presidency, they could have completely just had him push all (1:34:33) of their agenda. (1:34:33) They could have pushed abortion through. (1:34:36) They could have pushed.(1:34:38) Yeah, I mean, all the left wing, they could have pushed more of the the. (1:34:44) Yeah, the more funding towards all of their programs, basically, so but they didn’t. (1:34:50) They went full on crazy and hatred.(1:34:52) And now that pushed him further to the other side. (1:34:56) So now you see the pendulum swinging right now. (1:34:58) It’s coming back even further from whatever side you’re on.(1:35:01) Let’s call it the right. (1:35:03) And then and then, of course, in a few years, it’s going to get pushed back from the left (1:35:07) and they’re going to push back even harder. (1:35:10) And then we’re all just stuck here.(1:35:12) The people in the middle are just getting back in the middle with you. (1:35:15) Yeah, I’m all be on the outside, though, just looking at all. (1:35:17) Now we’re on the outside.(1:35:19) We’re the ones eating the popcorn, watching the watching the allegory in the key. (1:35:24) It’s a sad movie. (1:35:26) That’s unfortunate.(1:35:28) It’s interesting. (1:35:29) It’s it is kind of funny, though, watching this happen like these people. (1:35:33) Oh, man, I don’t I don’t even know.(1:35:36) They push everybody out and then they wonder why people are against them. (1:35:40) Like, it’s true. (1:35:41) They push the tech people out with Elon.(1:35:43) They push RFK out, Tulsi. (1:35:46) I mean, Tulsi, Tulsi Gabbard should be the president. (1:35:51) Now, she could have been a phenomenal Democrat presidential nominee against Trump, (1:35:55) against Trump.(1:35:57) They’re like 90 percent the same. (1:35:59) And except for she seems to be more eloquent. (1:36:02) I don’t know.(1:36:03) And I’m not supporting her. (1:36:04) Obviously, we’re all kind of anti state here. (1:36:06) But if we’re talking about who’s available, right? (1:36:09) Like, it’s pretty interesting that she was competent and the Democrats don’t want her.(1:36:14) But they’re happy to take a Pete Buttigieg. (1:36:16) They’re happy to take that guy who’s more interested in renaming train stations than (1:36:21) caring about the and renaming no tam because it’s not notice to airmen anymore. (1:36:26) It’s notice to air whatever, instead of actually caring about air traffic or something, (1:36:31) actually caring about the safety, you know? (1:36:34) No, you’re right.(1:36:35) They did push a lot of people out. (1:36:37) The tech tech companies banned a lot of people at the at the call of the FBI. (1:36:43) So what happens then if you have a lot of freedom minded people that get pushed out (1:36:47) of the mainstream and their voices get suppressed, you’re going to have a parallel (1:36:52) economy of of information.(1:36:54) And that’s and that’s harder to control, which is good in some senses. (1:36:58) But you’re going to have a lot of crazy stuff coming out, too. (1:37:01) But, yeah, it’s that’s what happened over the last few years.(1:37:05) Right. (1:37:05) And that’s what led things to be to get to where we are today is that continually just (1:37:11) trying to control information, pushing people out and then pushing people to either extreme. (1:37:17) So it’s unfortunate because I think we’re all we could all sit down and agree that perhaps (1:37:23) we shouldn’t use the government as a tool to force our views on other people.(1:37:27) But it just keeps happening. (1:37:29) So that we are. (1:37:31) Well, Roman, you seem like a real level headed guy.(1:37:34) I mean, talking about people who are losing their minds about stuff. (1:37:37) Have you ever had any success like talking to people, trying to get them to loosen up, (1:37:43) or at least or even get them to come over to the more libertarian way of thinking? (1:37:48) We found anything that works. (1:37:50) The way I look at it is I don’t I don’t talk to people trying to change their mind about (1:37:54) things.(1:37:55) I talk to people from the perspective of what I believe and why I believe it through my (1:38:00) experiences. (1:38:01) I’ve done a lot of going back to the ACLP. (1:38:03) I’ve done a few events where we’ve gone and talked to people and just set up our tables (1:38:09) and we’ve had plenty of people come by, had tons of Republicans and Democrats, and they (1:38:13) all asked me the same thing.(1:38:14) Why are you with the Libertarian Party? (1:38:16) You should come over to our side. (1:38:18) I just tell them the views that I’ve found within libertarianism are the best things (1:38:24) from what I thought either one of those other two sides believe. (1:38:29) And they asked me, well, give me an example.(1:38:31) What do you believe that the Democrats will believe? (1:38:34) Well, at one point, I believe that people that consider themselves Democrats believe (1:38:38) in prison reform. (1:38:40) There’s a lot of nonviolent people out there that are just thrown in jail for no particular (1:38:46) reason. (1:38:47) And I thought Democrats believed in that, but they obviously don’t, at least not the people (1:38:51) at the head of the whole thing, because you don’t do anything about it.(1:38:55) You don’t stop the system because there’s way too much money into it. (1:38:59) Joe Biden. (1:39:00) Hold on.(1:39:00) Joe Biden signed the gun bill, the drug bill and the prison bill. (1:39:06) He also signed in the allowing to take money out for college and that you can’t get out (1:39:12) of the debt from college. (1:39:13) These are all driven by the state.(1:39:16) The guy who ran for four years as a senator pushed all of those initiatives through to (1:39:22) criminalize. (1:39:22) And then he wanted to keep what did he sue the state of New Jersey to keep a prison open? (1:39:27) Because he wants the labor commonly even said it that they wanted. (1:39:31) They extended sentences and hid evidence to extend sentences because we’re running out (1:39:36) of labor, not out of criminals actually doing bad things, but out of the labor that we’re (1:39:42) benefiting from the person being in the cage.(1:39:44) Right? (1:39:45) Yeah. (1:39:45) So, I mean, the goal is to see that if you’re if you’re supporting one side or another, (1:39:50) you have to see the hypocrisy. (1:39:52) And I saw that.(1:39:54) And so I tell people I see the hypocrisy and therefore I step away from those either side. (1:39:59) And I have my beliefs and I try not to, you know, I try not to let a party, you know, (1:40:06) I’m not going to go back up back a team knowing that they suck. (1:40:11) Right.(1:40:12) That team sucks. (1:40:13) I’m not going to root for them. (1:40:15) And they both suck.(1:40:17) Cardinals. (1:40:22) Anyway, man, thanks for joining us today. (1:40:25) I got to wrap up pretty soon.(1:40:26) But where can people go find your stuff? (1:40:28) Do you have any live performances? (1:40:30) Anything that people can come support you? (1:40:33) Yeah, I’ll do some open mics here and there. (1:40:35) You can you can check out the roaming bandits.com. (1:40:38) You can find all of my music in any of the streaming platforms. (1:40:42) You can you can even buy CDs on Bandcam.(1:40:48) But yeah, the Roman bandits.com has a lot of my information. (1:40:51) And I’m somewhat on social media. (1:40:53) But again, I’m mostly unplugged nowadays.(1:40:56) Thanks for having me. (1:40:57) I appreciate you guys. (1:40:59) Yeah.(1:40:59) Thank you so much, man. (1:41:00) It’s been great. (1:41:01) You’re a natural at this.(1:41:04) You should consider starting your own podcast. (1:41:08) Actually, you should. (1:41:09) You should do a music one.(1:41:10) It sounds like you have a music appreciation. (1:41:13) So you could probably do like with all the different styles of music. (1:41:16) I actually spoke with the got Brendan B. Brown of Wetus.(1:41:20) For example, as long as you don’t talk politics with them, (1:41:25) you can pretty much talk to any musician about music. (1:41:30) Because I can only imagine what’s it like in your… (1:41:36) It is musician. (1:41:37) Do you perceive more visceral or actual more materialistic? (1:41:42) Is it more concept? (1:41:43) Where do you get your ideas? (1:41:46) Oh, it’s all.(1:41:47) I mean, it just comes like you just have to be. (1:41:51) I think Bob Dylan said it where, you know, you and actually Billy Corgan just said something (1:41:57) similar in a podcast I was listening to. (1:42:00) I’m on.(1:42:01) It’s just something that just comes to you like and I don’t know where it comes from. (1:42:06) It’s like it’ll be a riff. (1:42:07) You’re sitting down on whining.(1:42:10) I don’t watch TV. (1:42:11) I don’t like keep up with anything, really. (1:42:14) My the way to relax is to play music.(1:42:16) And so I’ll pick up the guitar. (1:42:18) I’ll play with a piano a little bit, and I’ll just something will come to me. (1:42:21) And then from there, you start just letting the idea develop.(1:42:24) So I’ll have a riff that I’ll be sitting for a year, and I’ll come back to it. (1:42:28) And let me check that out. (1:42:29) And then all of a sudden it will develop into something else.(1:42:32) And you try to just let the song become its own thing and tell you where it wants to go. (1:42:39) And if you force it too much, for me, it sounds forced. (1:42:43) And so that’s what I love about it.(1:42:45) It’s the whole process of being able to just let the music kind of like and listen to it (1:42:50) and think about where it wants to go. (1:42:53) If there’s a melody that needs to go in here and this and that. (1:42:56) And so every song is a new learning experience where you just try to let it go.(1:43:02) Take you somewhere, you know. (1:43:04) And then I think subconsciously things just come out. (1:43:07) And Billy Corgan said this in that Pockets of Tama.(1:43:11) There’s layers to the meaning. (1:43:12) There’s the meaning of the words. (1:43:15) And then there’s the meaning for me as a writer that I go beyond them, perhaps unintentionally, (1:43:21) where you think back, you know, like, holy shit, this pertains to this part of my life.(1:43:26) And then there’s the meaning of going through the process. (1:43:29) What was going on in your life at the time and thinking back and having those memories of it. (1:43:35) And then you have the final product, and you’re like, hey, I built something.(1:43:38) You know, this is great. (1:43:39) And like I was talking about earlier, when you have like a construction project, (1:43:44) you look back and you’ve done it with your own hands. (1:43:46) In this case, it’s more with your mind and hands.(1:43:48) Or actually, in both cases, because you have to visualize a construction project too. (1:43:53) You can’t just. (1:43:54) So being able to visualize it and then have it take you to where it want to go.(1:43:58) That’s kind of how I look at music. (1:44:01) And some people might like it and some people don’t. (1:44:03) That’s one of the things as, you know.(1:44:05) Music’s subjective. (1:44:06) Yeah, quote-unquote musician. (1:44:08) You can be a musician who plays for the people.(1:44:11) You can be a musician who plays for other musicians. (1:44:13) You get into a more technical aspect of it, like being in a jam band back in the days. (1:44:19) And then at this point in my life, I’m just somebody who’s there for my own.(1:44:23) I just do the music for myself. (1:44:25) So and, you know, if people don’t like it, that’s fine. (1:44:28) I don’t take any offense to it.(1:44:30) I like it. (1:44:30) I like listening to it. (1:44:31) So.(1:44:32) Yeah, we’ll give it a shot, everybody. (1:44:35) It’s really good. (1:44:36) Go find them on Spotify.(1:44:37) Get those numbers up. (1:44:40) Roamingbandits.com, I think, right? (1:44:41) Yeah, the Roamingbandits.com. (1:44:44) And there’s links to all of the streaming sites there too. (1:44:48) So you can just go follow me on Spotify or Apple Music or wherever you like.(1:44:53) Amazon, all that stuff. (1:44:54) Thank you, guys. (1:44:55) Appreciate you having me.(1:44:56) Thank you. (1:44:57) Thank you for joining us. (1:44:58) Yeah, absolutely.(1:44:59) Once again, we had another Consciously Unmasked. (1:45:01) It’s a unique day. (1:45:03) It’s a Saturday.(1:45:04) But we are going to be officially moving, I think, the 24th or the 31st, whichever way (1:45:09) day we actually start doing it. (1:45:11) But we will be moving to Mondays, correct, Jason, going forward? (1:45:16) Yes, moving to Mondays, I think on the 24th. (1:45:18) So on the 24th.(1:45:20) And then we’ve got Kyle. (1:45:20) We have tentatively, I’m only going to count the chicken right now, but it’s tentatively, (1:45:25) we have Kyle Anzalone on the 18th at 7.30 Eastern. (1:45:31) Because it’s a three-hour time.(1:45:32) It sucks. (1:45:33) We don’t do daylight savings. (1:45:34) This is when we switch over this week.(1:45:36) So my brain is trying to do that whole thing because all my family’s over there and screws (1:45:40) it all up. (1:45:41) And anyway. (1:45:41) Yeah, we don’t do daylight savings, but we’re screwed by everyone else who does.(1:45:45) Exactly. (1:45:46) Screw you, America, and the world. (1:45:49) Except for Hawaii.(1:45:50) Hawaii’s cool. (1:45:51) Yeah. (1:45:51) Yeah.(1:45:52) I tell my customers, quit messing with the time continuum, man. (1:45:57) It messes everything up. (1:45:58) Just stop.(1:45:59) You know, if there’s something you want to do, let’s first, everybody just stop doing (1:46:03) the time change thing like we do in Arizona and Hawaii. (1:46:05) And then after that, we all stop paying taxes. (1:46:07) And then after that, we all stop fighting wars and we’ll be all in peace.(1:46:11) That should be it. (1:46:12) Stop. (1:46:12) We’ll just have a big stop time.(1:46:15) That’ll just be it. (1:46:15) Stop will be our message. (1:46:17) Just stop it all.(1:46:18) Then stop daylight savings. (1:46:19) Stop taxes. (1:46:21) Stop funding wars.(1:46:22) That’s how we’ll do it. (1:46:24) Roman, thank you so much for joining us, man. (1:46:26) This is awesome.(1:46:27) I’ve never met you, but I’m looking forward. (1:46:28) Hopefully we can hang out sometime. (1:46:30) We’ll find a triangle.(1:46:31) We’re literally in a triangle thing. (1:46:33) We’re out to meet some weird place where all UFOs hang out or something. (1:46:36) That works, yeah.(1:46:37) We’ll go UFO searching. (1:46:39) That works. (1:46:40) Awesome, guys.(1:46:40) Thanks again. (1:46:42) Thank you again, sir. (1:46:43) Once again, Jason, let’s close it out.(1:46:45) You have any parting words before we call it a day? (1:46:47) Wrap it up, man. (1:46:47) Let’s cut it. (1:46:49) Let’s cut it.(1:46:49) That’s it. (1:46:49) Take care, everybody. (1:46:51) Thanks, everybody, for showing up.(1:46:52) Take care. (1:46:56) Bye-bye.