Let’s get Provoked! Part 2: “Shock Therapy” through “Rose Wilted”

With *special guest* Kyle Anazalone! Jacob Winograd, Shaun Collins & I discuss pages 85 to 170 (paperback) of Scott Horton’s book, “Provoked”. Part 2: “Shock Therapy” through “Rose Wilted” Get the book here: https://www.amazon.com/Provoked-Washington-Started-Catastrophe-Ukraine/dp/1733647376/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1YXTNX0938HTX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.JZ9mkJ5TPMxU1xohpzBN-zWHA_CQdJL9cEh1hKbHILFptB1VraW9pMZHVSW_lhbPAni2C-CVgmWG6XxoqHYkr0G5a0ym–8XWayY-Ak_LbYo2DOhgYLWsCv1_6E3np_O03sSMGncuOJlH15C8ijSXg.uYFutm_DGxP-N9VoNlq3ZWmjQwFc6EQAsEVnB7gg4rI&dib_tag=se&keywords=scott+horton+provoked&qid=1733850772&sprefix=scott+h%2Caps%2C345&sr=8-1

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(0:09) Well, hello everybody, and welcome back to this special edition of the LCI Green Room, (0:19) as well as we’re multi-streaming as well to Mark Channel, the Knocked Conscious podcast. (0:24) And we’re on week two of the Scott Horton Provoked Book Club. Very excited to be diving into this (0:33) book.I feel like I’ve read five books already, and we’re not even halfway through this thing. (0:39) It’s absolutely insane. I don’t know… I don’t know how you two talked me into this, (0:44) because this is just crazy to try to read this much content all at once, (0:48) but I’m also loving it at the same time.I’m learning so much, (0:52) and I’m so excited to be on this journey with all of you guys to try to get these ideas out in front (0:58) of as many people as possible. As we’ve said over the last couple of these that it’s really important. (1:03) Like we’re living in very crazy times right now, and this book, I know it took Scott a long time.(1:09) It was a labor of love, and it came out like, you know, I would say a little bit of divine (1:14) providence. It couldn’t have come out at a better time where people are ready to receive it, (1:19) and the importance of the message and this information is very necessary. I’m, of course, (1:25) joined again, already said, Mark from the Knocked Conscious podcast.We got Sean in his full glory (1:31) today. The feds are no longer disabling his video. He’s not hiding out in a bunker anymore like he (1:36) was last week, so we’re all good there.And then, of course, I’m Jacob Winograd, host of the Biblical (1:43) Anarchy podcast at the Libertarian Christian Institute, and those who follow me should be (1:48) very familiar with our special guest tonight because I’ve had him on, I mean, I think I’ve (1:53) had you on at least maybe four, five, maybe six times, Kyle? I’ve lost count. But Kyle Anzalone, (1:59) he is, I forget all your official positions. I know you do stuff for the Libertarian Institute and (2:06) have your own new podcast that you just launched, the Kyle Anzalone Show, as well as still doing (2:13) Conflicts of Interest.Kyle, go ahead and reintroduce yourself for those who know you (2:19) and don’t know you. Yeah, so I am the opinion editor at Antiwar.com, which probably makes me (2:25) somewhat qualified for our discussion today because that, of course, was the job that Scott (2:30) Horton had before he became editorial director of Antiwar.com and I slid into the opinion editor (2:36) slot, which means I do the viewpoints for the website, put the spotlight article every day (2:41) over there. And that’s part of the reason why I just stay so in touch with foreign policy is (2:48) because we’re reading just, Scott did it before me and now I do just so much content from all (2:53) over the place.And I’m now, after having done this job for a few years, kind of not surprised (3:00) that his book is as thorough and as detailed as it is because he did that job for well over a (3:07) decade, I think like 15 years. And so just the amount that he learned doing that job, plus (3:13) everything, all the research, doing the book and everything is just, it’s absolutely incredible. (3:18) And then I also work for Scott over at the Libertarian Institute, where I’m the news editor (3:23) and people often find my news stories also on the top half of the page at Antiwar.com. (3:28) And I’m the host of a brand new show, the Kyle Anzalone Show.It’s a kind of high production (3:33) show that I’m doing, got a producer. I’m really happy with the quality so far. There’ll be a new (3:38) show out either tomorrow evening or Wednesday morning.So subscribe to the channel for that. (3:45) And then I also host my show that I’ve been doing for some time now, Conflicts of Interest. (3:51) Right on.I know you also, I think, was it Scott Horton’s show you were just on to (3:56) talk about the conflict in Syria? Yeah, absolutely. And I gotta say, guys, (4:03) I actually read the first section of this book along with you guys for the first show, (4:08) because I knew I signed up for the second. I didn’t want to fall behind or else it was going (4:13) to be an absolute beast.And reading the first section in the past week was absolutely crazy (4:20) and infuriating. This is a history book, right? But at the same time that this is (4:26) history book, it’s a massive warning, right? So, Jacob, we’re supposed to start today’s (4:32) section on page 85. And actually on the top half of that page, Scott is issuing a warning about (4:39) ungrateful terrorists.And I’m sure you talked about the Bosnian war on the last show, so we (4:44) don’t have to get into it. But just that we helped out terrorists in the war and it came up to blow (4:49) up in our face. And you guys are reading this, Scott’s book’s coming out with this right at the (4:54) same time that we have this terrorist bat movement in Syria that’s bat by the United (5:00) States seizing power.I mean, what a more important warning to be gained from Skyhorn. (5:05) Like, hey, yeah, we just bat these people seizing power, but this could still absolutely blow up in (5:11) our face. And it will.It will. I think you were looking for the word cautionary tale, (5:18) I think is what you wanted. Absolutely.Well said, Kyle. I mean, this book is history, (5:26) but it’s absolutely prophetic in a way in terms of talking about what’s going on, (5:32) even in the current news cycle. And we brought this point up last week where I said, you know, (5:38) I know that there’s that saying that history repeats itself, but I think that most people (5:43) think that means like, oh, every like couple of decades, right, or every 50 years or 100 years, (5:48) not like, hey, every like six to 12 months, the same pattern of US foreign policy and (5:56) interventionism is just fully on display.I mean, but I mean, there’s a reason that used to be part (6:02) of Dave Smith’s intro, right? Like if you want to know who America’s next enemy is, just look at (6:07) who we’re funding now. And I mean, I don’t know if that’s 100 percent true, but it’s got to be (6:12) at least 99.99 percent accurate as a heuristic to predict, which means, I guess Ukraine, (6:20) and I mean, I don’t know, I guess maybe 99.9 percent. Well, I guess it would be because I would view (6:26) Israel, at least their government, and Ukraine and their government as sort of the enemies of (6:30) America, even though they’re buddy-buddy with people in the top positions of our government.(6:37) But we could go on for current events and all sorts of stuff. But we’re here to talk about (6:42) starting with shock therapy tonight. So just to recap, people, last week, if you missed it, (6:48) week one, we covered the beginning of the book, which was the end of the Cold War and then brought (6:55) it up to, through the Bush senior administration, to the beginning of the Clinton administration, (7:01) talked about some of the consequences of the Bosnian War, and we’re going to get more into (7:07) Clinton and his policies.And Mark is going to kick us off by summarizing this first section. (7:14) So Mark, take it away. Actually, it’s me.(7:18) Sean, sorry. The guy who’s got a camera this week. And let me first start by saying, (7:24) I really apologize about last week.I really don’t know what happened. My stuff just didn’t (7:30) want to work. And then to boot, as soon as we got off the show, my whole computer just crashed.(7:34) I lost everything. It was wild, dude. So I’m glad to just have it back.My wife did it all by (7:40) herself, bless her heart, because I’m a tech tart. I don’t know how to deal with this stuff. (7:45) I can click buttons and get online and shit, but that’s about it.So kudos to her for doing that. (7:51) But for real, I lost all my editing stuff for my show and everything. It’s gone.It’s back now, (7:57) thanks to her. But many apologies. Thank you for sticking with it and stuff like that.(8:05) But let’s just get into it. We talked about last week a little bit, how the origins of the war (8:12) happened and stuff and promises that were made and promises that were broken. And then little did (8:18) I know when I was taking over this piece, because I’m reading it week by week.I’m not just reading (8:23) far ahead. I need it fresh in my mind. It’s just something I need to do for myself, because (8:28) I need it there.I can’t just go and go and go and go and try to remember stuff. (8:34) The fact that I picked up the part that had the economy in there was perfect, because I’m big on (8:41) econ, huge on econ and money, monetary system, banking system, stuff like that. So this was (8:49) absolutely great to read this section, actually.So let’s just get it started right now. (8:53) Shock therapy. Shock therapy was really just an economic… I don’t know what word I’m looking for.(9:01) It was a form of economics that the West, the United States, thought they were going to (9:07) quote-unquote help the Russian economy, offering privatization. That was a big word. They kept (9:14) saying privatization, privatization, privatization.But what really ended up happening was, let me (9:20) grab my notes here, was a group of brats from Harvard. They called them the Harvard boys, (9:28) led by the Undersecretary of Treasury Larry Summers, World Bank economist Andre Schliefer. (9:35) If I sabotage these names, I sabotage them.Sorry, y’all. Let’s see. Schliefer, rival professor (9:42) Jeffrey Sachs, that was easy, along with David Lipton, Andres Aslan, Jonathan Hay and Treasury (9:50) Secretary Robert Rubin came up with a plan to help the Russian economy by coming up with a bunch of (9:59) grants.It was just one of those things where we’re going to come up with these grants, we’re (10:03) going to help them out. Really, in theory, it was a way to destroy their economy. And we’ll go into (10:09) that a little bit more.So all that being said, they come through, Al Gore led the charge on that, (10:16) by the way. And this all leads to inflation that the US essentially had to bail them out on. (10:24) So the US gets involved with Russian monetary system, prints a bunch of money on the Russians’ (10:30) behalf to quote-unquote save them, which of course causes some inflation.And by some inflation, (10:37) we’re talking 2,500%, according to the book, which totally buried the Russian economy. (10:44) It was bad. They buried them.People didn’t know what to do. It was in bad shape. (10:49) Other than the oligarchies that were up top, people were screwed.(10:56) And after that, they try to say everything should be privatized from there. (11:01) In the meantime, Mr. Murray Rothbard, my favorite economist of all time, look at the flag behind me. (11:09) I’m a Rothbardian big time.He’s screaming, hey, private, private, privatize everything. (11:15) But Russia kind of kept their hands on the price controls. They kind of let some go, (11:22) but they also kept some intact.And by the way, they continued to print more money, (11:28) which turned into an absolute disaster. So those boys from Harvard, along with the US, (11:38) the West, or whatever you want to call them, because there’s a bunch of different names in (11:42) the book at this point, it’s either US, it’s the West, NATO, whatever it may be, (11:45) the US is involved no matter what. They come up with this voucher system.(11:50) Right. And so this voucher system, oh, by the way, we got to throw this name in there. And if (11:58) I sabotage it, I’m so sorry.Anatoly Chubais. Did I get that right, Kyle? (12:07) Oh, don’t ask me. I just read these things.I don’t. You have to go and listen to it. And (12:13) usually you’re going to get like some BBC anchor saying in a British accent, (12:18) so it’s only partially helpful, but you’re probably close enough.(12:22) So Anatoly Chubais, with the advice from those Harvard boys, come up with a voucher program (12:28) to give $10,000 in rubles, in vouchers, I’m sorry, $10,000 worth of vouchers and rubles (12:37) to every Russian to invest in these brand new companies, right? Well, the problem is Russia (12:44) kind of had a lock on the companies that you could invest in and not invest in. And the ones (12:50) that were worth a damn kind of were off limits. So then these people ended up investing in these (12:56) companies down in the Arctic Circle, right? And let me see where I’m at here.Oh, let’s see. (13:07) Which, oh, yes. So they ended up investing in these companies way down in the Arctic Circle.(13:12) That didn’t matter. They didn’t mean anything. These people were getting screwed from the top (13:18) all the way to the bottom.And here we are saying, hey, we’re helping, we’re helping, (13:23) we’re helping. Of course we’re helping. Anytime the United States helps, especially here in America, (13:28) you know what I’m saying? Their help always leads into something not so great.(13:32) So this was the US’s plan all along. They really wanted to cripple the Russian economy. (13:36) They did not want to help them.And this goes back to the broken promises from before, (13:40) you know, when they said, hey, you know, we’re not going to move anywhere more East, you know, (13:45) and then they moved in the East Germany and then it was a little bit more and a little bit more. (13:49) Next thing you know, they’re in Poland and the Czech Republic and Hungary, you know what I mean? (13:54) So this is just another way to screw the Russians, you know, like I’ll keep saying this a million (13:59) times during this show. This book is called Provoked for a Reason.Okay. So next on the (14:08) agenda, Professor Janine Weddle wrote in 1996, calling out the Clinton administration on the (14:17) voucher program, a way to prop up Chubis, which was true when the CIA warned Gore of how corrupt (14:25) Chubis was. Gore called bullshit on that, which Gore later came out and said, I wasn’t right about (14:32) that.Isn’t that something? So let’s get back to 1993. 1993 was an important year because there (14:42) was another coup, or at least they tried to do it again. So they tried to get Yeltsin out again, (14:49) but they were responded with great force and power.And he gained his power back by (14:57) overthrowing the people who tried to get him out. He brought the military in, he brought tanks. (15:01) He said, no, I’m not going anywhere.This is how it’s going to be. I’m staying put. This is what (15:07) it is.Sorry, not sorry, pretty much. This is Yeltsin who loves to drink, by the way. (15:15) So let’s go to Davos.At this point, Yeltsin had a 6% approval rating because of how bad (15:24) everything went with the voucher program and everything else that the US kind of helped with. (15:30) And the writing was on the wall, Yeltsin was on his way out. They were going to boot him (15:33) and say, we’ll see you later, homie, because this isn’t working out.Well, during that Davos, (15:41) which at the time was called the Global Economic Forum, not the World Economic Forum, which is (15:46) kind of funny. But anyways, he makes a deal with All Regards to support his re-election for (15:55) exchange on a loan for shares program to screw the people once again. This is how he got re-elected.(16:04) And now this is where I feel like anything that has to do with Ukraine, (16:08) I’m just going to read it from the book, because that’s the only way to do it justice. (16:13) Let me just make a message. I’m sorry.(16:22) Well, I was going to fill the time while you were getting it up. But if you’re ready, (16:28) I’m ready to go. So messing with Ukraine.And I will always read when it says Ukraine in the (16:34) main title. I’m going to read it because that’s important. Because obviously, this is what this (16:39) is all about.In July 1997, NATO and Ukraine signed the Charter on Distinctive Partnership (16:47) with promises to develop relations and broaden and strengthen their cooperation in the Western (16:52) Alliance. Though they said that no state should pursue its security at its expense of that of (17:00) another state. This evidently was a reference to Russia’s presumed wish to prevent such association (17:09) rather than any sort of recognition of their concerns.It is also promised the beginning (17:16) of planning to work towards NATO-Ukraine military operation interoperably, as well as military (17:26) training under, oh my goodness, what a word, Scott, thank you for this. Auspice of the PFP, (17:34) the Partnership for Peace, which is what we talked about last week, a purgatory for countries like (17:42) Russia to be good little soldiers and hang out and conform until they can be led into NATO. (17:49) In August, US and Turkish warships held a week-long joint exercise named Seabreeze 97, (17:57) which involved troops from Ukraine, Georgia, Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey, and the United States.(18:04) Russian Defense Minister Igor Sergiev denounced the exercises while deputies in the parliament (18:11) threatened to leave the PFP. They were going to have the Marines land in Crimea, (18:19) Parliament threatened, oh, I’m sorry, to practice intervening in an ethnic conflict. The Los (18:24) Angeles Times reported that the theoretical events were taken as NATO warning to the Kremlin of what (18:31) could happen if it sought to recover Crimea.This caused an immediate reaction from Russians, (18:39) so the US altered the scenario to earthquake relief. Thousands of demonstrators still turned (18:46) out to protest what they saw was a show of force against Russia. The Times noted that what was (18:52) intended to enhance Ukraine’s military preparedness may actually hurt security by provoking new (18:59) problems with Russia.Yeltsin complained about this training in his meeting with Clinton (19:05) in March of 1997, saying that you are conducting naval maneuvers near Crimea. (19:12) It is as if we were training people in Cuba. How would you feel? It is unacceptable to us.(19:19) We are not going out to seize Sevastopol. Dude, think about that for a minute. (19:28) They started it back then.The hard stop was Ukraine, which has been the hard stop this entire (19:37) time. Here we are in 1997, and they’re playing these games back then. Please tell me how Russia (19:47) is the bad guy.Isn’t it so frustrating? Scott’s had a couple of debates now. I think in each (19:54) debate, the people he’s been talking to are like, well, Russia didn’t care about NATO expansion (20:00) in the 90s and the 2000s, and only cared about Ukraine because of evil boogeyman Putin wants to (20:16) recreate the USSR. We’re not even past the Clinton stage of this yet, and we already see that (20:23) Yeltsin has multiple times gone to Clinton and talked and complained and said, hey, (20:28) what are you guys doing? This is making it difficult for me to sell this idea of America (20:37) and Russia being friendly, sell the idea of us trying to pursue Western values and Western (20:44) democracy.I wonder, you said, Sean, I want to get Kyle to comment on this, that it’s just because (20:53) they’re trying to screw over Russia economically. I guess part of it’s that, but isn’t it also (21:03) partly just even when maybe they were trying to be helpful, they’re just too stupid to know how to (21:09) properly implement free markets? Because this is Bill Clinton and the Bill Clinton administration, (21:15) and they’re not implementing free markets even back home in America. (21:19) Yeah, I’m sure that is a part of it.Although if you read this chapter and look at how it plays (21:27) out, it’s very hard to see the, quote unquote, privatization of the Russian economy as being (21:37) anything other than a giant corruption scheme that was aided and abetted by the United States. (21:44) With the corruption just being so obvious, I think it’s very hard to argue that they must (21:51) not have assumed that they were intentionally weakening the Russian economy and the Russian (21:57) state and the Russian future, and that that was a good thing. Scott gets into that, and it gets a (22:04) little bit more explicit in later sections of this chapter when they’re talking about the pipelines (22:09) and the Caspian Sea, and how the US is even less concerned about making money than they are (22:16) about making sure that Russia doesn’t make money.I’m sure that’s a part of all this, (22:22) but at the same time, I think just so much corruption going on, being willing to profit (22:30) off of that corruption, and at the same time, not caring about the Russian people. (22:34) When I first started at antiwar.com, I would often email Scott questions, (22:40) and I remember one of the first questions I emailed him, and I couldn’t believe it. (22:44) I read this, and I checked it, and I was like, ah, this just doesn’t seem right to me.So (22:49) Scott will know the answer. He’ll know who’s debunked this, and that was that the situation (22:54) in Russia actually got worse after the fall of the USSR. Just being a libertarian, you assume that (23:01) after a country gets prices, that the situation is going to get marginably better.I’m not saying (23:08) that you instantly go from communism to utopia, and that free markets just take off. Never thought (23:15) that. You just assume that the average life expectancy goes up a little bit because prices (23:22) in the healthcare sector help you determine where to send and have doctors and medical care, and all (23:29) these kinds of things that you assume would happen.Actually, the life expectancy in Russia (23:34) dipped. The outlook for Russians, the alcoholism skyrocketed. Suicide skyrocketed.The people there (23:42) were miserable. Their lives were terrible. They had no opportunities whatsoever, and again, (23:49) it’s just very hard to see how the Americans were not intentionally aware that that was going on, (23:55) and were okay with it.I’m sure we’ll talk about it throughout this entire show, but I think (24:00) two threads that are really important in this entire chapter we’re talking about today, (24:07) but particularly are important in the first section, is we see the losing of the Russian (24:13) people. After the fall of the USSR, there was a real opportunity for the Americans to come in, (24:20) and look, I support, and I’m sure all of you guys do, the Rothbard plan. (24:24) We privatize.We let the Russian people work it out, rather than this incremental privatization (24:30) that is set up in a way that fleeces the individual Russian people. When they get the (24:36) waivers, there’s nothing good on the market, so they trade away their waivers, believing that (24:41) they’re never going to get anything for them, and then they put the good stuff on the market, (24:46) when only the people who had capital and the ability to hang in there, and they were able (24:51) to get everything, and so this fleecing of the Russian people really loses the Russian people (24:57) in respect to the Americans, and even had we followed the Jeffrey Satz plan, which isn’t a (25:03) libertarian plan, but at least that would seem to aim to actually help the Russian people, (25:08) where what we ended up with, the Harvard boys, the partial kind of odd shop therapy that they (25:14) implemented in Russia, and just how everything was stolen, all the capital was stolen, and so much (25:20) of it went to completely unuseful places. It was just horrific what happened to the Russian people (25:28) there, and then there’s just one little part in this section that I thought was really key here.(25:35) Scott writes, murder, suicides, a broken healthcare and pension system, massive alcoholism, and drug (25:42) abuse. Yeltsin’s hyperinflation and gangster state destroyed Russia. Just imagine the fall (25:49) of the communist regime and Marxist economy, leading to lowering the life expectancy by more (25:54) than six years.That’s the reality of the result of the corruption and bad faith of the neoliberal (26:00) economic advisors Bill Clinton sent to Russia, their bosses back home, and their family of (26:06) criminals they support in power. Scott, by the way, in the book, estimates hundreds of billions (26:12) of dollars, or hundreds of billions of dollars, nine figures, nine. A number with eight zeros (26:20) behind it, stolen from Russia, in dollars, not in rubles, in dollars, stolen from Russia during (26:26) this period.That is absolutely unreal. Didn’t the life expectancy, African-Americans, (26:32) either the entire population or for men, drop below 60? Was it 57 or 58 or something? That’s just (26:38) insane. It’s just hard to fathom.Five million people died over that time. (26:43) Right. Yes.Yes. What I found really interesting about the one part of that, if I just may jump (26:49) in for one second, was they initially had it sell off all the assets and then burn that money. (26:57) That would solve the inflation part and start privatizing.Then they totally did the opposite. (27:04) They sold it and then kept it in circulation. It just created even more hyperinflation over time.(27:14) Well, yes. There was the initial 2500% inflation that went up. Then, I can’t remember.I can’t (27:21) see it in my notes, but there was something else that happened in between there where inflation (27:26) went up another 36%, which made it even worse. I left out a big part between Jeffrey Sachs and (27:36) the US government. The government was trying to pin Sachs, saying that he pulled this voucher (27:42) program to prop up Shoebeast or whatever.He’s going back saying, no, no, no, it was you guys. (27:48) This was your economic plan. It turned into this big he said, she said thing.At the end of the (27:55) day, Russians suffered. That’s just what happened, which led us into the Rambouillie, (28:01) if I’m saying that right, which was the disaster in Kosovo. Economic hardships cause desperate (28:09) times, cause for desperate measures.The people of Kosovo, that goes far beyond economic stuff (28:17) because there was Muslims there, there was Christians there, and they just needed to (28:24) try to figure out a way to hang out. That didn’t go well. Kosovo happened.I’ll never (28:30) forget Kosovo for the rest of my life. That was a bloodbath. It was so gross.(28:39) The Kosovo stuff, I think we should probably touch on here before we go to the next section. (28:44) I forget if you had touched on, Sean, the initial … I think you touched on it briefly, (28:51) the how much the US government then supported Yeltsin to get him to win his second election, (28:59) and how much that doubled down the economic consolidation of the means of production (29:06) and the economy being owned by these oligarchs and mobsters, essentially. Then too, how that (29:13) also paved the way for what we’ll get to later, which paved the way for then Putin to come to (29:20) power in the first place.I remember Scott talking about this when I had him on a couple (29:25) weeks ago. He was like, it’s a really simple syllogism. Bill Clinton puts in Boris Yeltsin, (29:31) and then Clinton supporting Yeltsin directly leads to Vladimir Putin.It’s like anytime people want (29:38) to freak out like Putin’s the devil, just throw it back in their face. Yeah, Bill Clinton put (29:43) him there, basically. Well, the reason he supported Yeltsin so much is because otherwise, (29:51) the other way was going to be the communist oligarchs coming back through, which is pretty (29:57) much who Yeltsin overthrew twice.When they tried to ax him out of there, he chased him out of town (30:02) two times at this point, with most likely US help. Right, but then it was basically, (30:09) it backfired anyway, because after he won, basically all the oligarchs were essentially (30:16) back in power anyway, in a sense, because they had helped to basically fund him in there. (30:21) I forget the section where they’re threatening the new foreign minister and saying, you’re going (30:28) to put our guys in there, or you’re just not going to be the minister anymore, right? That’s a direct (30:35) result of US intervention.US intervention is the root of everything that is evil at this point, (30:43) and I’m not even afraid to say that. Sorry if YouTube takes your show down for saying something (30:48) like that. Yeah, it’s right here.It’s the payoff. We said Yeltsin appointed nickel oligarch (30:54) Vladimir Putin as minister of the economy and deputy prime minister, and thievery only grew. (31:01) Alexander Lifshitz, the new finance minister, later told journalist Alexander (31:07) Gentilev that he was summoned to a meeting with the oligarchs, and they told him, (31:10) we brought Yeltsin to power, the country belongs to us, and you’ll do what we tell you.(31:15) And he asked them, what is it you want from me? And he said, they gave me a list of demands, (31:19) which included consultation with them about all decisions, and the appointments of ministry (31:24) personnel with their consent, and so on. And then he asked, what happens if I don’t do it? (31:28) It’s like, you’ll no longer be minister. (31:32) Yeah, everything’s fine.All right, let’s go into Kosovo quick then. (31:37) So then I’m passing it along. Excellent.Hey, everybody. Welcome, Kyle. (31:50) If I may, before we start, I just haphazardly asked for media credentials for AmFest this week.(32:00) And I got accepted. So I have no idea what I’m going to ask a bunch of people who believe in (32:06) supporting Israel for four days, what their thoughts are. But we’ll see how that goes.(32:12) So I’ll see if I make it out of there unscathed. So we’re going to start with Rambouillet, (32:20) and I hope, Kyle, you can sprinkle in all the things. So in honor of Dave Brockie, (32:26) if anyone knows Dave Brockie, there was a heavy metal band, I think Sean would know him, called (32:30) GWAR.Yes. And basically, they used to, like, yell their name, right? Well, basically, think of (32:37) this next section is basically that without the G. So it’s just war. I mean, never trust a person (32:47) who has a brooch for every different occasion.You know, I got to be honest. Madeline’s War. (32:53) Let’s start with there.The Rambouillet Agreement. Madeline Albright. Yes, exactly.(33:05) And she’s going to come up like a boil, like a key, like turning up like a bad penny (33:10) throughout this for a little bit here. So we have this agreement where U.S. and NATO, (33:16) they’re exactly a boil. So they have this agreement where they are, U.S. and NATO’s like, (33:23) hey, let us just occupy your land for you.And Milosevic’s like, no, thank you. So they said, (33:29) we don’t like that. So we’re just going to start bombing you.Kyle, can you sprinkle, (33:34) can you give it shade a little bit more? I just kind of put the outlines there. Please (33:37) shade and color in if you may. No, I mean, I think you’re doing a good job.I’ll let you keep going (33:43) and I could jump in with some thoughts in a minute, but I’ll let you keep going and fill (33:48) in a little bit more details. Sounds great. So thank you.So basically that didn’t do so well. (33:56) So basically we started occupying, you know, Serbia and Kosovo and Yugoslavia and everything. (34:02) And that’s basically, they became under protectorate of NATO.So imagine if something, (34:07) they’re on the border of Russia at this point. Imagine there was some conflict there and NATO’s (34:12) there. It automatically draws them into some conflict and you just see them encroaching more (34:17) and more and more on top, sitting on top of Russia’s space.They’re just looking for like, (34:23) they’re looking for that little conversation space. So NATO expands. We have 1999.We have (34:30) what Poland, Czech and is it Yugos, is a Hungary, I think joined NATO. So once again, (34:37) these are the three countries they initially said, no, no, right. This is before, this is before the (34:43) Ukrainian red line.So now they’re like, no, no. And now they’re in. And here comes NATO expanding.(34:51) Then we get the Balkan wars. So after the agreement, we’re looking at the Balkan conflicts. (34:57) And this is just where, this is all the 90 stuff, right? The role of NATO in Bosnia war and the (35:04) Kosovo war.They are the broader conflict, US foreign policy. Let’s just do it. We’ll just sweep (35:09) everybody out.And then after that, after that, we have the Chechen wars. So we’ve got the Russia (35:17) military campaigns in Chechnya, the international implications, and the, they’re discussed where (35:23) the US foreign policy indirectly influenced Russian actions. So it’s, once again, this book (35:29) to Sean’s point is called provoked.It’s not justified per Sean, per Scott’s point. It’s (35:36) provoked. They have said time and time again, this is unprovoked and we’re finding (35:41) puzzle pieces saying something to the contrary.So I’d love for you guys to jump in. (35:47) Yeah. I had a section here highlighted that I thought summed up Kosovo fairly well from, (35:54) from Scott.It’s on page 108 and it’s section titled illegal. He writes on March 12th, 1999, (36:02) Poland, Hungary and Romania were officially admitted into the supposedly defensive NATO alliance. (36:11) Just 12 days later, NATO launched a 78 year or 78 day air war against Serbia to guarantee the (36:18) independence of Kosovo.That war called operation allied force was based on the outright lie that (36:25) the Serbs had massacred a hundred thousand Kosovo Albanian civilians and the threat that they were (36:31) sure to obliterate the rest. And launching that war, Clinton sided with the Kosovo liberation army (36:38) or the KLA, a violent insurgent group, which had been funded by communists and the sons of (36:45) fascist militia supported by Italy in world war II. Though by 1998, they were better described (36:51) as heroin dealers and been Latin night terrorists.President Clinton bypassed the UN security council (36:59) where Russia had inherited the USSR seed and veto power and instead wage war on his own (37:06) and NATO’s pretended authority. Clinton did not even bother to seek authorization from the (37:11) Congress official declaration of war as required by the US constitution before a bombing campaign (37:18) where H.W. Bush began the Iraq war in 1991 to enforce US resolutions, demanding the reversal (37:25) of Iraq’s illegal invasion of the separate sovereign state of Kuwait and reluctantly (37:30) obtained an authorization from Congress. Clinton was watching this war with no authorization from (37:36) anyone.And so it just goes in and he explains how this war happened for the US for absolutely no (37:43) reason. Scott has a lot of details in here about how the US was allied with Al-Qaeda (37:51) in this conflict that I think is really important. And it’s kind of like his section later in the (37:56) book that we’ll get to on the Ukrainian Nazis, where he does a really thorough job of documenting (38:02) this.That way, when people say, oh, it’s overstated, or these really weren’t the Al-Qaeda (38:06) guys that later knocked down our towers. Scott really details how these were the same guys. (38:12) Now on Kosovo, Scott, I think has a great summary here on page 122.He writes, despite all their (38:21) claims about the success of American space age superpower ability to coerce behavior with (38:27) precision airstrikes, a post-war study by the military determined that despite dropping tens (38:33) of thousands of bombs on Kosovo and Serbia, NATO had only destroyed 14 tanks, 18 armored personnel (38:40) carriers, and 20 artillery pieces. 58 successful strikes out of more than 20,000 bombs dropped. (38:48) Clark’s air force had been completely fooled by Serbia’s cardboard tank force deployed to (38:54) distract them.As James Bovard noted, at the end of the war, the Serbian military was largely (39:00) unscathed, but the country’s civilian infrastructure was in ruins. NATO bomb fragments were far more (39:07) effective against women, children, hospitals, and retirement homes than they were against soldiers. (39:13) And so that’s major.And then, of course, Scott details at the end here how this was really big (39:19) for the Russian people, understanding that NATO really is an offensive threat to them. The timing (39:24) of this coming right after NATO expansion, I think, was all the sign that the Russian people (39:31) really needed. And then, you know, a couple more notes on Chechnya here.It’s just, again, (39:38) the real documentation of the terrorist involvement in the Chechen war on the side of (39:48) the Americans here. And, of course, how all this helps Putin’s rise to power. And so, you know, this (39:55) makes a lot of sense, right? If your country is being humiliated, you know, economically on, (40:02) you know, within your own spheres of influence by another country, and your leader is a drunkard (40:08) who can’t even show up to work and who you know is owned and is corrupt, then a strong man like (40:16) Vladimir Putin, who talked so positively about the history of Russia, it shows to have, you know, (40:23) you can hate Putin for this, but just understand, if you were a Russian citizen, the way he talks (40:29) about Russia is just as inspiring as an American politician giving a rousing speech about George (40:35) W. Bush, or George, not George W. Bush, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.You know, that’s (40:42) the way he talks about Russia. And so, that, you know, understanding that the humiliation of Russia (40:49) is absolutely going to lead to a strong Russian nationalist to come to power in Moscow. And Putin (40:55) is a very calculating man.So, he didn’t act like a bull once he got in and immediately waged war (41:01) against NATO over Kosovo or in Albania or in any of these wars that we talk about. Now, he was (41:07) absolutely brutal to the Chechens, right? So, we had the Americans, you know, basically doing to (41:13) the Chechens what we did to the Shias and the Kurds in Iraq following the first Iraq war, right? (41:21) Where we encourage, we agitate, we get them, we try to get them to rise up against the central (41:26) power. And then once the central power hits back, we just leave them to completely get decimated (41:32) time and time again.Because overall, in the grand scheme of geopolitics, you know, what’s (41:37) 10,000 Kurdish lives for a propaganda point Washington against Saddam Hussein. And I think (41:44) the same thing was true with Moscow when we look at Chechnya. Excellent points.Yeah. So, I’ll (41:52) continue just a couple more points, if I may. The next point is the missile defense systems.We cover (41:58) that point. Scott covers it very extensively. The U.S. withdraws from the anti-ballistic missile (42:03) treaty in 2002 under George W. Bush.They plan for missile defense systems in Eastern Europe (42:09) in countries like Poland, Czech Republic, which are direct threats to Russian security. (42:16) Russia’s sitting there like, what are you doing? They’re like, oh, we need them against, I believe (42:19) they said Iran. And they’re like, you need them against Iran over here? And then they even offered (42:25) places that they could help them.And they just turned them down and said, no, we’re good putting (42:29) them here. So obviously you had Russian reactions, including threats to counter with their own (42:33) missile deployments and say, you know, the more you keep pushing on us and they keep saying it (42:38) over and over again, they’re not hiding what they’re saying. Russia is very clear with their (42:43) threat.They feel slightly threatened. They’re like, you guys keep coming. That’s going to cause (42:48) us to react, don’t you think? Every time.And we just keep pushing and pushing. And then lastly, (42:55) there were assassinations and espionage and there were various incidents with Russian (43:00) assassinations, espionage activities. So that is the end of mine.And I will pass it off to Jacob (43:06) for some summarization and continuation of his part. (43:12) Alrighty. And sorry, I’m pushing the format on everyone.I’m just trying to, (43:17) we, I initially had stuff set up for three and realized that we got four. So just trying to (43:22) make it fill up the screen a little bit better. All right.So I have from, (43:30) let’s see, where did I start? I know where I ended. I ended pretty much at the, yeah, (43:37) I had the color revolutions all the way up to Rose-wilted NATO round two. So there’s a lot (43:43) to cover here.The, I guess, theme of a lot of the section is that the U.S. is back, which, (43:51) you know, got, I’m glad this only happened in the past and doesn’t happen anymore, (43:55) that the U.S. backed all these regime changes disguised as democratic reforms. And so, (44:03) and this was done through the creation of NGOs. And so there’s like the NED, (44:09) the National Endowment for Democracy, the NDI, IRI, I think there’s a few other ones as well.(44:15) And so now they wouldn’t like, you know, overtly, so they were overt, but like they had to like (44:22) still make it kind of cute. Right. So they’re like, well, we’re not endorsing candidates.(44:27) We’re just kind of endorsing like, you know, civilized society, right. Like a polite society, (44:33) you know, just all things good in society and these different things. So they would, (44:40) you know, generally go into places where they don’t like someone who’s in charge.He doesn’t (44:44) align with American interests. He doesn’t align with, you know, my democracy trademark. (44:52) And so they would do heavy funding of opposition parties.They would do media campaigns. They would (44:59) do these really manipulative, what are they called, like the, where they, the polls, right. (45:08) So they’d poll people post voting and they’d come up with like, you know, hey, the results (45:13) actually supposed to be this.And the reporting of the votes is actually not matching up with it. (45:20) So we think that there might be some election fraud going on, misinformation, so to speak. Again, (45:27) none of this has anything, no corollaries to any modern things going on, both, you know, (45:32) whether it’s here in America or elsewhere.So they had a lot of successes with this strategy (45:39) early on, Albania, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Romania, and then this set the stage for (45:47) more interventions in the future. We had Slovakia. That was, I think, primarily done by the (45:58) NED, the National Endowment for Democracy have also, there’s a whole section in here about Soros (46:04) and his involvement in a lot of this stuff, including in Slovakia.And Scott kind of goes (46:10) out of his way to kind of like just dispel the, yes, we can talk about Soros and his, you know, (46:17) sort of like a stateless statesman, heavily involved in all this stuff. And no, you don’t (46:22) have to talk about it and, you know, fall into conspiracy theory, you know, the Jews or anything (46:29) like that when you’re talking about it. But they ousted Vladimir Mikhar, hopefully that’s how you (46:39) pronounce it.It’s in 1998. And they, again, they used a lot of the tactics I talked about. They (46:45) even funded like rock concerts.They had TV ads. They mobilized, quote unquote, grassroots events (46:52) trying to mobilize youth turnout. Again, they used this sort of exit polling to discredit the (46:58) official result and to pressure a coalition government.And so then the outcome is that (47:08) Mikuláš Žurinda replaced Mikhar. And so this was a model for future interventions as well. (47:21) We get to Croatia.You had Tudman, and he was once a U.S. ally. Again, that’s just a one-off (47:30) thing, you know, not a pattern of anything to come where we turn on people we used to fund (47:35) and support. But he became a target after his policies diverged from Western interests.(47:42) So they had, they formed what was called GONG, Citizens Organized to Monitor Elections. (47:49) This was to coordinate election interference. And there were Slavic operatives like (47:57) Pavel Demes.They were trained Croatian opposition leaders. And the outcome of that was (48:06) pro-Western leaders coming to power. The bulldozer revolution in Serbia.U.S. ousted (48:21) Slobodan Milošević. I’ll just mute myself every time I say it. (48:29) It’s Milošević.Yeah, that’s the big one. It’s spelled so different than it sounds, (48:35) but it’s Milošević. It’s the one that sounds familiar, but doesn’t look it.(48:38) Yeah. That’s again Soros is involved here with a group called Otpor, which means resistance. (48:47) And $40 million in funding going to parallel vote tabulations and protests, (48:54) more grassroots stuff, more exit polling.So, yeah, we see a pattern coming up here. (49:02) I don’t know if anyone wants to comment more on any of those revolutions I talked on. (49:09) Yeah, I’d love to jump in.I think it’s really interesting about the rock concert (49:13) aspect of it. We’re seeing Scott and Mike Benz cyber online, right? Mike Benz, (49:19) he talked about how they use rock concerts to distract and to draw people in. They get in this (49:24) rhythm and it helps build them up and gin up their power and everything.And once again, (49:29) we talked about Brosh lady, Madeleine Albright. She was one of the ones in one of those revolutions (49:33) where, where did the black fist come from, from BLM? Oh my gosh. It came from one of the (49:39) revolutions in the Eastern European breakaways.So there were even pictures of Madeleine Albright (49:45) with the black fist and it was Madeleine Albright. They spray painted her face on it. So it was (49:49) pretty funny at that point.She’s an evil wolf. Everything her name was on. He’s about as bad (49:57) as Margaret Thatcher, swear to God.Her name, her, her between her and Margaret Thatcher. I mean, (50:03) obviously one’s here and one’s in Britain, but like, well, she’s not in Britain anymore. You (50:11) I could say, I could post a video about ding dong, the witch is dead and all that stuff.(50:16) But anyways, I digress. Yep. There’s a few other interventions that we could talk about.(50:25) I don’t want to necessarily go into all of them. There was like still stuff going on (50:31) over in former Yugoslavia. And I want to jump ahead to the section that was called there’s (50:40) always NATO.And so this was kind of like Scott wrapping up sort of the Bill Clinton section (50:45) before we get to George Bush. And I get the section called there’s always NATO. So talking (50:50) about how there continued to be the addition of more European nations continuing to break the (50:56) promises that they had made in the nineties, which as we talked about last week, this was all like, (51:01) just because they weren’t written down doesn’t mean that they weren’t important because the whole (51:04) thing that led to German reunification was predicated on the very explicit promises made (51:10) by multiple people.I think last week I had like seven explicit promises from several different (51:15) people in, you know, between the American administration, the Germans, the British, (51:21) all saying we’re not going to go one inch eastward. We’re not going to put weapons over here, (51:25) et cetera, et cetera. And then naming out specific countries we’re not going to add.(51:29) So, you know, you guys have already talked about how that promise has been broken. (51:35) And these moves, along with all the economic interventions and just like living conditions (51:42) in Russia, really soured Russia’s perception, like the population’s perception of America. (51:49) They basically got to the point where they were like, all right, like democracy, capitalism, (51:53) all this, like this is, we’re not down with this.This is just making us like puppets of (52:01) American interests. We’re just being exploited. And we were, you know, they were ready for (52:08) something different, you could say.As well as, you know, the expanding of NATO, you know, into (52:18) spaces they said they weren’t going to be. So this all leads to, as I talked about, I think I (52:22) hinted at earlier, that you have Putin starting to consolidate power. And he’s initially the (52:27) prime minister.And then he is appointed. So he’s appointed then to the presidency by, (52:37) oh, what’s his name? (52:40) Yeltsin. (52:40) Yeltsin.Yeah. Having a brain fart. And initially, it’s funny because it’s like there’s so many (52:46) times where America is like pro something that’s happening.They later come to like, you know, (52:51) they wouldn’t admit it now. But yeah, they were all like pro Putin at the very beginning. And (52:58) thinking that he was going to continue to be a reformer, that he was going to bring stability, (53:05) stuff like that.There’s a section here. So right from the beginning, the making of Vladimir Putin, (53:12) and I’m going to try to find it in the midst of my chicken scratch here. Because there’s, (53:19) Scott says something really, here we go.Yeah. It starts on another page. In 2000, (53:27) Boris Fyodorov explained that though Putin might consolidate power at the expense of organized (53:33) crime, the man was no angel.Everyone expected him to purge the family that made him. (53:38) Fyodorov wrote, but it doesn’t mean that anybody today in Russia thinks that Putin is a great (53:43) reformer, that Putin is a great Democrat, that Putin is ideologically motivated, (53:49) idealist or anything like that, because he’s clearly not. But Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris (53:53) Yeltsin are now widely hated and reviled in Russia as villains and traitors for selling (53:59) out the country to America.And by then, the virtually the entire national consensus was (54:04) that democracy was a failure, the world itself became a curse, the word itself became a curse. (54:09) The men who led Russia’s transition from communism, with much assistance from their (54:14) American friends, had blown it. And if a strong man could give them their dignity back, (54:19) they would let him.So any comments on that before I… I’m going to chime in right now. (54:26) What the hell did you expect those people to think? Honestly, seriously, between Gorbachev (54:33) and Yeltsin, who were reformists, they were trying to like play ball with the West or whatever. (54:39) And they got played like a fiddle, not only when the promises were broken with the NATO, (54:46) saying, you know, nobody’s coming closer, nobody’s coming closer, they came closer.(54:50) And then all of a sudden, NATO is carpet bombing Slavic states, which are touching Russian borders. (54:55) Are you kidding me? And then they come back and they destroy the economy. (55:00) They destroy them economically.What are people supposed to think? That they’re not wrong. (55:08) I don’t know, like, I don’t care if I catch up for this. They’re not wrong.They got screwed (55:14) by the Americans and or NATO, NATO both. And they’re mad. And so they’re going to go with (55:22) the guy who says they’re going to stick up.He’s going to stick up for them, protect them from (55:27) these people. And he’s living up to his word now. It’s plain and simple.I mean, I don’t know what (55:32) else to say to folks. Yeah. Well, the last paragraph in the Clinton section basically says (55:40) something I think Kyle alluded to earlier, which is that Russian patriotism is a powerful force, (55:44) often compared to America’s own sense of their country’s special destiny.They did not react (55:49) well to being robbed blind, starved and threatened, especially by their longtime foreign rival. (55:54) Instead of heeding the lessons, we talked about this last week, of Versailles and treating our (55:59) defeated foes with respect. President Clinton kicked the Russians while they were down, (56:03) sowing extreme deprivation and resentment that lasts to this day, setting the stage for the (56:09) rise of Vladimir Putin.And again, I mean, I’m a bleeding heart and cap. So on one hand, (56:16) like I could get into a purity spiral and say, well, I wouldn’t have liked it if America had (56:22) been friendly to Russia, because then they just would have, you know, been really friendly. (56:26) And it would have been statism and like it would have been like I could go down that purity spiral (56:33) or I can live in the real world and go, you know what? Like we wouldn’t be on the precipice of (56:38) World War Three.I mean, I don’t want to be dramatic because I don’t actually I don’t actually (56:43) think that. But the point is, we’re way closer than we should be to that. And there’d be just a (56:49) lot less innocent people being killed.Right. If we had sought if we had actually done a legitimate (56:58) effort towards collaborating with Russia, towards bringing them into sort of like the (57:04) quote unquote West, actually doing things good for the good of their economy and not (57:09) just for the good of American hegemony, American interests. So any anyone else, Kyle, Mark, anyone (57:17) want to add any more to that? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, everything Sean said earlier, (57:24) and just to add all the color coded revolutions and the fact that any time there’s an election (57:29) where the results are the opposite of what the Americans want, they cancel it, including in (57:34) Russia, or the fact that in particularly 1996, the Americans read the election for Boris Yeltsin (57:42) in a way that, you know, is a 10 times the conspiracy that Russiagate was even alleged to be.(57:49) Of course, Russiagate is all fake. But even if every word of Russiagate was true, what that what (57:55) we did, what we overtly did what Time Magazine reported the Americans did in Moscow in 1996 (58:03) is so much worse than Russiagate. And so why would Russians think elections are a good idea? (58:08) If it’s just apparently the way America controls the world.And, you know, I think this is actually (58:15) one of the most important light sections of the book. Because once you read this, you’re never (58:21) going to not be able to see these things happening in real time. We just saw one this or two this (58:28) past year, at least Venezuela and in Georgia, the Americans forced the Venezuelan government to hold (58:34) elections.They held elections. And then after the elections are done, they declared a different (58:40) winner and said, oh, we have this independent Carter Center that tells us that the opposition (58:46) actually won the election. When meanwhile, the Carter Center is funded by the State Department.(58:51) Right. This is exactly the same things that were going on in the 1990s and the 2000s. The same (58:57) thing is happening right now today in Georgia, where they’re, you know, getting all the young (59:01) people all roused up and in the streets.And of course, I think it’s happening right now, (59:06) probably because the CIA is worried that Donald Trump may not sign off on these operations and (59:12) they have a friendly year right now with Joe Biden. So we’re seeing these things happen now. (59:18) Just one more thing.I had this under my Bush section, so I forgot to mention earlier when (59:23) Jacob did. But he mentioned the destruction of the nuclear treaties under the Bush era (59:29) and particularly the anti-ballistic missile treaty. Now, this is one of the most important (59:34) things, because what the U.S. does is after we get out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty, (59:39) we put the Aegis Ashore missile defense system in Poland and Romania.And this actually ends (59:45) up happening under the George Bush administration towards the end of it. But getting out sets it up. (59:50) And the reason that this is so important is because that missile defense treaty system, (59:56) while a missile defense system, the Aegis Ashore, it can also fire Tomahawk cruise missiles, (1:00:03) which the U.S. does have the capability to put a nuclear warhead in.And so this is effectively (1:00:08) Russia putting launchers into Mexico or Canada that could fire nuclear warheads at the United (1:00:14) States of America. Obviously, this is completely intolerable to Russia. And, you know, this is, (1:00:20) again, you know, when we’re talking about provoked, of course, Scott does a really good job of (1:00:25) detailing the million little provocations towards Russia, all these color revolutions, (1:00:31) all this little, I mean, major economic warfare that certainly do add up to a lot.But then there (1:00:37) are these just major events, too, like the destruction of the anti-ballistic missile (1:00:42) treaty and then putting the Aegis Ashore missile system in Poland and Romania. (1:00:47) Let me add a little bit of context to that, because you’re so right. But what makes that (1:00:53) more impactful is that, like, you see how—like, and again, I want to preface this by saying that (1:01:00) I’m not saying Putin is an angel.I’m just—I think we all, as libertarians, know here that (1:01:07) it just does not—these situations rarely boil down to good guy versus bad guy. It’s a lot more (1:01:14) nuanced than that, than a sort of like Saturday morning cartoon version of history and conflicts (1:01:20) that go on. But for all of Putin’s character flaws, for all the libertarian critiques we could (1:01:27) throw at him, post-911, Putin really still was trying to build a friendly relationship with (1:01:36) America and the West.Like, he was like, hey, listen, like, listen, Russia could have—and (1:01:43) Putin knows this, right? He could have just said, hey, 9-11, well, you had that coming. (1:01:48) You guys have been messing, you know, around, mucking a buck over here in former Yugoslavia (1:01:54) and Bosnia and all this, supporting the Mujahideen over here, basically creating the (1:02:01) sort of like forging ground, the sort of like petri dish that then formed al-Qaeda, that formed (1:02:08) those who would do 9-11. Our intelligence agencies had opportunities, as Scott goes into and explains, (1:02:15) to pick this stuff before it ever happened and not only ignored it, but like we continually went, (1:02:21) no, no, we’re supporting them.They’re helping us, right? Like, we’re not going to label them (1:02:28) terrorists. There was that section, I don’t think we touched on it, but where Clinton said like, (1:02:33) oh, we owed them one, right? So we’re going to support them over here, even though we’re still (1:02:36) building these bases in Saudi Arabia and, you know, blockading and throwing bombs into Iraq (1:02:42) and whatnot. Like, that’s what they’re upset about.We’re not going to change that, but we’re just (1:02:45) going to, you know, help them with some other stuff over there and hope they forget about it, (1:02:49) which is just crazy. But to get back to Putin, Putin is like very gracious after 9-11, says like, (1:02:56) we want to, we want to help you, we want to support you. Then even after they start, they throw the (1:03:02) treaty out and they’re going to like build these missile systems in Poland.So then, you know, (1:03:08) Putin’s like, all right, well, this seems like a problem. And he’s like, well, if you’re concerned (1:03:14) about, the official explanation was to have systems in place to thwart missile strikes from Iran. (1:03:22) And then Putin’s like, all right, well, Iran doesn’t have missiles that you need to worry (1:03:27) about right now.And if you ever did, we would have a heads up on them because we would see (1:03:32) them testing them before they ever used them. And so we’d have time to, you’d have time to build (1:03:37) those systems before you ever, they ever became an actual threat. But he’s like, listen, how about (1:03:42) we just partner on this? How about, if you’re concerned about Iran? He’s like, fine, let’s, (1:03:46) let’s make this a joint American-Russian project where we work together to sort of like create (1:03:52) systems that are aimed at defending all of Europe from potential threats in Iran.And I think, (1:03:59) so he had the one idea, he suggested they put stuff in the Mediterranean or Italy, or saying (1:04:05) that, I forget which, I’m trying to find where he said it. (1:04:11) Didn’t he let him borrow a base? Didn’t he offer one of his own bases? (1:04:14) I’m trying to find. (1:04:15) Kazakhstan or something? (1:04:17) Yeah, I think they let them use the K2 base in Uzbekistan, which was a former (1:04:26) Soviet base, which I think was actually a nightmare for the Americans.But, you know, (1:04:32) Jacob makes a really good point that after 9-11, Putin offered to help the Americans. It’s not as (1:04:38) if, you know, he was, he exploited this opportunity or did what the Americans probably would have (1:04:44) done, which is after the Americans went to Afghanistan, he would have started backing (1:04:49) the Taliban against them. You know, that’s certainly what Washington would have done (1:04:53) if the roles were reversed.So, you know, it’s interesting that Putin tries to help and (1:04:58) sees it as an opportunity to really, I think, make Russia a part of the West. (1:05:03) And instead, Russia’s just once again rejected. (1:05:06) Yeah, I mean, it’s- (1:05:08) And to that point, Kyle, if I may, to that point, you’re talking about the, all of us, (1:05:15) all of America supported all the terrorism in Afghanistan against Russia in the 80s.(1:05:22) Yes. (1:05:22) And then in the 90s, we support the terrorists and we globalize it, right? The Bin Laden (1:05:27) night is globalized, right? The globalization of Bin Laden night or whatever. And now, (1:05:33) then they attack us.And some of what was there, one of their things, or some of their early, (1:05:37) the younger troops are like, why are we training against America? Because they (1:05:41) had so much support from America. And even through all of that against Russia, (1:05:46) Putin extends the hand because he knows terrorism equals bad. And he wants to defeat that.And he (1:05:52) wants to work together with America. He thinks it’s a great opportunity to consolidate, collaborate, (1:05:56) work together, and they box them out again. And if I may, one other thing to watch, (1:06:02) Bringing Down a Dictator was about the, about one of the revolutions with Madeleine Albright (1:06:08) and the fist and Optor or Otpor.Mike Benz, it’s an hour long documentary, but Mike Benz has it (1:06:14) on Twitter. And it’s like a three and a half hour breakdown of a one hour documentary by Mike Benz. (1:06:20) It is so fascinating to watch how they manipulate and how they work crowds and how they got (1:06:26) all this stuff to coordinate.Yeah. Yep. And I did find the part where it says that, (1:06:34) you know, I just had it and I lost it again.This book’s too big in my mic, (1:06:39) like right in front of it. But yeah, there was a base in, man, I just had it and I lost it again. (1:06:46) Should I get my finger? Oh yeah.The Gabila radar station in Azerbaijan. And yeah, the interceptors (1:06:55) would then be able to be placed closer to Iran at sea or in Turkey or Iraq, where America still (1:07:02) had a lot of troops there because at this time we’re already in Afghanistan and Iraq. Anyway, (1:07:07) the point all there being that Putin, and again, not to make Putin an angel, but it’s just like, (1:07:14) put it this way, the amount of restraint he’s showing towards the actions that NATO and America (1:07:20) are doing in his neck of the woods is not reciprocal to what American officials would do (1:07:28) in similar situations.And I think that discrepancy alone makes the propaganda of like this, (1:07:37) you know, war in Ukraine being the unprovoked attack. And we haven’t gotten, you know, to 2014 (1:07:43) or some of the spicy stuff yet, but, but we should get to, before we run out of time here, (1:07:50) the, the Rose. We haven’t even started Obama.What about, there was, there was the orange (1:07:54) revolution in 0405. You know, the book doesn’t bring up the orange revolution, I think till (1:08:02) after the Rose. And I think that, yeah, it is a little bit later because I ended, (1:08:07) I ended on NATO round two and right after NATO round two was the orange revolution.(1:08:12) So that’s correct. Yeah. That’s where I had it split.So, yep. So we’ll, we’ll, we’ll, (1:08:17) we’ll talk about the orange revolution next week, next week. Yep.But we’ll end on. So the, the, (1:08:23) the last two sections that were here, so we had the, so this is where the George Soros section (1:08:28) was, which I kind of already alluded to. And then we have, but that was all part of the Rose, (1:08:35) the Rose revolution, which, so pull up my notes here.(1:08:39) And remember you were talking to Jacob, the NED and everything, look who was heading these groups. (1:08:44) Wasn’t John McCain, head of the I was at the INI and, and who was the head of the other group? I (1:08:49) mean, complete neocon, you know, just absolute crazy people who want to bomb everything. (1:08:56) I don’t think people realize that when we say that like John McCain is responsible for like (1:09:04) the deaths of, you know, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, it’s like, it’s not (1:09:08) just like, well, oh, he had a bad voting record.Right. It was like, no, this guy’s absolute, (1:09:13) like just the, the worst, like one of like which is why I, like when I became very aware of all (1:09:23) of this stuff going on is what led me to be a Democrat because I just looked at like John (1:09:29) McCain and I was just like, and, and what he represented it. And it was, I didn’t know.(1:09:34) I missed the Ron Paul moment back in the day. So, unfortunately that didn’t, (1:09:40) wasn’t an option for me at the time, but yeah, so the Rose revolution, sorry, I have like way (1:09:46) too many windows open right now. So this was going on in Georgia under president Edward (1:09:56) Shchebnadze, Shchebnadze, Shchebnadze, I think.Shchebnadze, Shchebnadze. (1:10:00) That’s not how I’m listening to like an audio thing. I know it pronounces it.(1:10:05) I think it’s Shchebnadze, something like that. Shchebnadze. But he had again been a U.S. man, (1:10:10) this is a weird pattern, right? A U.S. ally in the early 1990s receiving lots of Western financial (1:10:15) aid.That’s, that’s so weird. But fell out of favor in Washington due to his policies that (1:10:21) were strengthening ties with Russia. So he was making deals with Gazprom about like the pipeline, (1:10:28) the gas pipelines and stuff.And so basically like they were going to be buying a lot of their (1:10:34) oil and gas and stuff from, from, from Russia. And they were not open to Georgia integration (1:10:41) with NATO. And they were addressing Chechen insurgents on Russian terms.And so he was just (1:10:48) more aligned with, with Moscow. But you know, listen, I’m sure that these Western leaders who (1:10:54) preach so much about self-determination and democracy were totally fine with this government, (1:11:01) this country near Russia, deciding that they just wanted to cooperate more with their neighbor than (1:11:06) with this other country halfway across the world, right? Obviously not. And so we, some key players (1:11:16) also, there was ambassador Richard Miles and he was also involved in the Serbian bulldozer (1:11:23) revolution.And he was sent to Tbilisi to lead the U.S. effort to depose, help me out, Mark, (1:11:35) Shevardnadze? Shevrenitsa. Shevrenitsa, something like that. It’s all right, man.We’re trying, (1:11:42) we’re all trying this together. This is a great book to learn like eight languages. (1:11:46) You know all these things way too good.Are you sure you’re not Russian? (1:11:50) Dude, I mean, I will put my- (1:11:52) I am looking for this. I do not know for what you are talking about, please. (1:11:56) Oh my God, you even have the accent.(1:11:58) As much as they accuse me of taking Kremlin money, I’m like, listen, I got five kids. (1:12:02) If the Kremlin wants to give me money, I will give them my Venmo, my cash. Like, go ahead.(1:12:09) Right. Soros was funding the Liberty Institute, which was a Georgian opposition group. You had (1:12:19) OPAR, again, that’s Serbian revolutionaries.You had, the key opposition leader was Mikheil (1:12:31) Sakwasvili. He was a former justice minister of Georgia. (1:12:35) But again, they’re doing kind of the same stuff they’d already tried out.A lot of the propaganda, (1:12:42) the media ads, the putting the money in, the grassroots movement and protests and whatnot. (1:12:48) They were mobilizing street teams to go and do graffiti protests and stuff and put the symbols (1:12:56) of these different groups. The NDI was heavily involved in this.It’s the National Democratic (1:13:01) Institute. You got to love the names of these organizations, right? I forget what show Scott (1:13:10) was on the other day where the host compared it to, it’s like gender affirming care. (1:13:15) It’s like you’re just begging the question with these organizations.You name it, (1:13:20) very good organization. Well, obviously their name is very good organization. They only do good (1:13:24) things.Exit poll manipulation was still very present in this. The outcome of the Rose Revolution, (1:13:38) so they didn’t quite win the election, but Shevardnadze was still going to be, (1:13:47) so there’s going to be a coalition government, but he was still going to be the head. (1:13:50) But then the US government, all the people involved, the different NGOs and stuff were (1:13:57) just basically like, this election was rigged and stuff like that and put so much pressure on him.(1:14:06) And so then he resigned under this immense external pressure and he called the coup a (1:14:14) victory for democracy, which is pretty funny. But then the next guy they installed, that was (1:14:24) Saakashvili, then wins the 2004 elections with 97% of the vote. I’m sure that election was (1:14:30) totally fair and free.Nothing to see here. Everything is fine. And now everything’s (1:14:39) right with the world because all these Eastern countries are now aligning with the West and (1:14:43) Russia’s being completely isolated.And I’m sure that treating Russia as this bad guy that we (1:14:50) shouldn’t get along with is not going to be any type of self-fulfilling prophecy in the least. (1:14:56) So there’s a lot more we could go into about that, but that’s kind of where I ended was the (1:15:04) Rose Revolution. Is there any other points in that section anyone wants to talk about or anything (1:15:11) that came to people’s minds in that spot? I like that.Well, I don’t like, but the fact that (1:15:20) the Olive Branch was extended by three different presidents of Russia at this point. (1:15:29) And not only were they shot down, they were shot down, spit on and kicked on and bent over. (1:15:36) Like this is a fact.Like the last three presidents they’ve had have tried to work (1:15:43) with the United States and or NATO. They really did. The fact that Russia extended an Olive Branch (1:15:49) after 9-11 was a very huge deal because our so-called quote-unquote allies like Israel (1:15:56) didn’t do a damn thing.That’s not true. That’s not true. They danced in the streets about it.(1:16:02) Well, I mean, they were in on it too, but that’s a totally different thing. (1:16:07) Benjamin Netanyahu said, this is great. Yeah.I mean, oh my God, we should probably (1:16:12) do a podcast on 9-11 someday. Well, I digress. Anyways, we, you know, promises were made, (1:16:20) promises were broken.The economy was destroyed. Olive Branches were still extended to the United (1:16:25) States. They spit in their face.Why is it a surprise that Russia is upset at this point? (1:16:33) Why? It shouldn’t be. It’s a surprise because the mainstream narrative is saying that Russia (1:16:39) is this big bad bully who, you know, invaded this country on a, for whatever reason they decided (1:16:46) they want to take the land, right? Well, that’s not true. And this book is proving it.And this (1:16:51) is why we’re doing this, you know, but the fact of the matter is US foreign policy is so vile (1:16:59) and so gross that not only have they done this to Russia, not only did they actively (1:17:08) give money and weapons to Afghanistan in order to put military bases in Afghanistan while we were (1:17:16) at war with them to boot, wow, right? Now we’re actively, Zach, attack. I see what you’re laughing (1:17:25) at. But no, no.Now we’re actively funding Al-Qaeda in Syria right now. So please tell me (1:17:35) where the United States government is the good guy when it comes to foreign policy. By the way, (1:17:40) anybody who has served in the military post 9-11 is probably very, very, very, very upset (1:17:49) at this moment.And I’m mad too, as should the rest of us be. This is sick. So hey, if you want to (1:17:57) believe the United States is a good guy and all their foreign policy, go ahead.You know, you can (1:18:01) live in blissful ignorance. We’re here to tell you otherwise. Sorry to be so harsh, but I’m being very (1:18:07) honest because I’m tired.I’m tired of this. It’s sick. It’s gross.People need to wake up. (1:18:14) I agree. (1:18:14) What’s interesting about that too.Go ahead, Jacob. (1:18:17) Well, I was going to say, I think it’s like the last section in the Nato round two part, (1:18:22) even like the New York Times was writing that, you know, to Russia, the meeting is clear. The (1:18:27) alliance still views it as a potential enemy rather than a partner, which goes against what (1:18:32) George Bush said post 9-11 when he met with Putin and was like, I looked into his eyes and I saw (1:18:38) that he was a good man and all that.And that’s my really bad George Bush impression. (1:18:44) Chinese. (1:18:45) But he’s like, I think he’s a good guy.I think he’s a reformer. I think, you know, (1:18:51) and it’s like, but that’s not how you treated him every step of the way. I mean, it’s like, (1:18:55) you know, the honey on their lips, the honey of their words going to Putin, like, you know, (1:19:01) no, no, it’s all good.It’s all good. Don’t worry. Nothing to worry about.Nothing to worry about. (1:19:04) Don’t worry about these military bases going up next to your border. Don’t worry about NATO (1:19:07) expanding.No, we’re all partners. We’re all partners. But then it’s just like every step (1:19:12) of the way the actions are communicating that we don’t like you.We’re never going to like you. (1:19:16) You’re never going to be part of our team. You never get it.It’s it’s it’s kind of like (1:19:21) continuing to bully a kid at school who just wants to sit at your table, except this kid had nukes. (1:19:26) So yeah, I guess a plan. (1:19:29) Yeah, the one thing I would add to that, Jacob, and the one thing that I feel like so far, (1:19:34) I’ve really taken away from the first about 150 pages of this book that I guess I kind of knew (1:19:40) before, but I didn’t realize how much this was the case.It’s not just like, you know, (1:19:45) those nice words and the things like the Partnership for Peace or the European Russian (1:19:53) Alliance, like all these different groups that they come up with, all these different proposals (1:19:57) that they come up with. It’s not necessarily that they’re just stupid. (1:20:03) That’s a con, right, that they’re tricking the Russians.And Skye kind of lays it out (1:20:07) in the first section that there’s some concern early on, particularly in the H.W. Bush and the (1:20:12) Clinton years, that if they scare the Russians too much, a new Iron Curtain is going to go up (1:20:19) somewhere in Europe. And so they have to really con Russia and get Russia to believe that this (1:20:26) isn’t their grand plan to expand NATO right up to their borders, to weaken, to threaten Moscow. (1:20:33) But that really does seem to be the plan all along.It’s just that they had to slow walk it (1:20:39) for that reason. And so, yeah, Jacob, they say all these nice words, but that’s just a part (1:20:45) of the scam. It’s just, I guess, you know, I kind of assume that H.W. Bush made promises, (1:20:52) Clinton broke some of those promises, and they made new promise.W. Bush broke those promises (1:20:58) and made new promises, and the cycle goes on. But it seems all so much more intentional than that, (1:21:05) that they really knew that the promises that they were making at the time weren’t promises (1:21:10) that they were going to keep, but rather promises that would get Russia not to have a major reaction (1:21:15) at the time, so then they could take a further escalation that they could provoke Russia further (1:21:21) down the line. Yeah, it’s all about American hegemony.It’s all about, like, it’s our security (1:21:26) interests. It’s about, like, we have to have control over the resources, the oil, the military (1:21:32) bases, the security. And it’s all about, you know, it’s about us, but it’s because us, because we’re (1:21:37) the good guys, because we’re the ones who are going to ensure democracy.And by ensure democracy, (1:21:41) we mean that all elections around the world go exactly the way we want them to go. It’s just (1:21:47) absolutely insane. And then for, when you study this history, and then, like, Scott already brought (1:21:51) it up, I think, in the first section about, like, the, like, they do all this, and then they want to, (1:21:56) like, like, let’s, let’s just, like, for a minute think that, like, Russia did heavily influence the (1:22:03) 2016 election.And, like, listen, I’m sure Russia maybe tries to influence it somewhat, but it’s, (1:22:10) like, what hypocrisy to be, like, how dare they, right? I wouldn’t endorse Kamala, for goodness’ (1:22:15) sake. Yeah, like, what, what hypocrisy to be, like, oh, like, how, like, like, we’re so high and mighty, (1:22:21) like, we would never funnel money and misinformation and NGOs and stuff into another country to have (1:22:28) some kind of impact on their elections. I mean, it’s just, it, it would be funny if it wasn’t so (1:22:37) depraved and evil.So, and I want to read one last little thing here, and then kind of give everyone (1:22:44) closing thoughts, because this is important, this is the last paragraph of the section, and it (1:22:48) pertains to, we’re moving closer and closer to the crisis in Ukraine. In 2002, NATO published (1:22:56) their first NATO-Ukraine action plan, which was different from the more controversial (1:23:01) membership action plan, which President Bush attempted to push through at the (1:23:08) Bucharest summit in April 2008. Still, this was another step toward further integration (1:23:14) between the alliance and Ukraine, setting objectives for the reorganization of Ukraine’s (1:23:20) armed forces and communication systems for easier integration with allied military forces.(1:23:27) But, you know, I forget where it was someone earlier said, well, you know, like, Russia has nothing to (1:23:33) worry about, unless they decide to, you know, start doing bad things, which is just as dumb as (1:23:39) saying, well, what do you have, what do you have to fear from the police if you’re not doing anything (1:23:42) wrong? It’s, it’s, it’s that dumb. It’s like, you know, it’s like, well, whatever, like, why do you (1:23:51) care about privacy? Like, like, we just, let’s let, let’s just have the military and FBI just put (1:23:58) people in our houses, because like, if you’re not doing anything bad, what’s, what do you have to (1:24:02) worry about if you got, you know, government military and government intelligence just pointing (1:24:07) guns at you and spying you all the time, right? Like, you got something to hide? Anyway, let’s go around (1:24:15) and everyone give a closing thoughts before we hop off here. Okay, Sean, you go first.(1:24:24) Okay, I will go first. Closing thoughts. Turn off your TV and go do your own research.Get on a podcast, (1:24:31) read a book, talk to people outside of the mainstream narrative. They’re probably gonna (1:24:37) have a little more information than the status quo. If you want to live in bliss for ignorance, (1:24:43) keep watching Fox and CNN.You know, that’s, that’s what I have to say. If you want to (1:24:49) grow your mind and, and see the way things are, do the things I just said. Otherwise, that’s all I (1:24:57) got.Follow me at BUDZ and Reality on all things. It’s at BUDZ, letter N, reality. (1:25:04) Yes, and Zach Attack says touch grass too.Go outside. Yes, touch grass. Love your family, love (1:25:09) your neighbors, love your people.That’s the message. Awesome, love it. Mark, final, final thoughts? (1:25:16) Yes, sir.Yeah, so we’re clearly seeing NATO expansion and at least getting Russia’s attention (1:25:24) at minimum. Let’s just say they’re getting Russia’s attention. (1:25:28) And we haven’t even gotten to the land dispute over parts of Ukraine yet.(1:25:34) We’re not even there yet. No. Like we’re not even there yet.And look at our, (1:25:39) like we could have a final conclusion to our thesis right now and be like, we’ve got our (1:25:44) closing arguments. We’re good to go. But wait, there’s more.So I’m very excited to look what’s (1:25:50) Mark Sean pulls on X and everything. No, I am not. I’m not a three name person who does bad (1:25:58) things to people.But I do use my full name just because. But watch us, follow us. Thank you (1:26:06) everyone for checking this out.It’s Buckle Up should be the name of the book. It’s just called (1:26:12) Buckle Up. So thank you, Kyle.Thank you so much for joining us, man. It was great pleasure meeting (1:26:17) you. Well, speaking of what Sean said, which is don’t watch CNN and don’t watch your mainstream (1:26:23) media, you should be getting at least a bulk of your news from the Libertarian Institute at (1:26:27) antiwar.com. Kyle, go ahead.Oh, one more thing, if I may invite people who disagree with you to (1:26:34) watch this stuff. Like, yeah, but don’t attack them. They’re not stupid idiots.You could say, (1:26:41) hey, you just might not be informed the way you might not know this information. (1:26:44) Please, I welcome you to watch this. Come and join us.Look, there’s comments. You can even (1:26:50) refute in the comments and we’ll look at it and maybe even bring it up. So we need to make our (1:26:54) own NGO like National National Endowment for Liberty.That’s just like a propaganda (1:27:00) institution that just puts up Libertarian Institute (1:27:03) articles and podcasts on just like TVs, like in random cities and stuff. (1:27:10) Kyle, go ahead on your closing thoughts and where people can find you. (1:27:14) Yeah, I mean, guys, thank you so much for having me.And look, you know, Scott, Scott pays me. So (1:27:20) I got to say it, but I don’t got to say it because it’s Scott Horton. And if you know, (1:27:25) because he pays me, he won’t ever require me to say this.This book is really phenomenal. (1:27:31) I think it’s a really good combination of his first two books, Fool’s errand and Enough Already, (1:27:37) where it kind of has the same pacing as Enough Already, where it’s taking you through this story (1:27:44) fairly quickly, where you’re learning new things. And at the same time, it has all the same (1:27:49) documentation as Fool’s errand.And so the book’s absolutely fantastic. I think you’re really going (1:27:57) to enjoy it. And as I’ve kind of pointed out through this, enjoy is the wrong word.It’s (1:28:02) going to infuriate you. But, you know, when you read a book, you want to feel like the most (1:28:09) important thing is feeling like you’re not wasting your time and you will not feel like you’re (1:28:13) wasting your time reading this book. Chapter after chapter, paragraph after paragraph, (1:28:17) you’re learning new, important information from, you know, the highest place and the most important (1:28:23) sources.Right. Scott isn’t relying on, you know, some off color websites or things like that to (1:28:30) get. It’s all the absolute closest he could get to the firsthand sources.So really, really just (1:28:38) fantastic. I can’t recommend it highly enough. And so much of what’s happening in this book (1:28:44) has really important lessons for what’s going on today in Syria, in Ukraine, around the world, (1:28:50) in Venezuela, anywhere where we’re trying to color revolution.And if you guys can, yeah, (1:28:55) check out my new show, The Kyle Anzalone Show. I really appreciate it. Yep.And I have Kyle’s (1:29:00) new show linked in the description of this video here on YouTube. So definitely go check that out. (1:29:07) Everyone, wherever you’re watching, make sure that you are subscribed to my channel as well as (1:29:11) all three of the other gentlemen here on this panel, that their channels as well.Give this (1:29:16) video a thumbs up so more people can watch it. I’ll, of course, plug again, the Libertarian (1:29:20) Christian Institute, as the bottom ticker there says. If you appreciate this kind of content (1:29:27) and these kind of conversations, LCI is hosting this and we’re a nonprofit just like.So listen, (1:29:33) donate to both the Libertarian Institute and the Libertarian Christian Institute. We’re all out (1:29:40) there trying to promote this very vital message of liberty and peace in this chaotic, dangerous (1:29:46) world we live in. And other than that, we’ll be back again next week, same time.Actually, (1:29:54) we probably will be. I’ll make sure we’re all good for Christmas week. But if there’s any changes, (1:29:59) we’ll make announcements.And other than that, there should be, other than maybe not next week, (1:30:06) if there’s an issue, there should be every Mondays going forward. It’s past the deadline, (1:30:13) technically. But as someone I saw Gunpowder and Vanilla said earlier, we’re trying to find that (1:30:20) comment.So she is part of the LCI book club that we’re doing as part of this whole Provoked (1:30:28) series that we’re doing. So if you want to have, you know, get even more involved and have some (1:30:33) private, you know, conversations and discussions on this book and these sections, we’re technically (1:30:40) past the deadline if you didn’t sign up yet. But if you just, if you, this will be the last night I (1:30:44) allow it.If you go to find me on Twitter, at BiblicalAnarchy, message me if you want to join (1:30:51) and I’ll get you hooked up. But that’s all I have for you guys. All we have for you guys for (1:30:55) tonight.And we’ll be back soon. Thank you again, everybody, for listening. Thank you guys.(1:30:59) Thank you, Kyle. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Sean, for being here and helping us get this (1:31:05) together.And we’ll talk to you guys next time. Until then, take it easy and be safe.