From boardrooms to battlefields, from ancient tribes to modern corporations, hierarchy is everywhere. But why do humans instinctively organize into leaders and followers? Join The League of Ordinary Frens as we unpack the psychological, evolutionary, and social forces that drive us to structure our world the way we do. Each episode explores the science of power, influence, and status, revealing the unseen mechanisms that shape our relationships, workplaces, and societies. Whether you aspire to lead, prefer to follow, or question the system altogether, this podcast will change how you see human organization—and your place within it.
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(0:01) Sure, I might as well. There we are. (0:03) What is an intro? (0:04) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone.(0:06) We have Sean. (0:09) We got, I think, who we got? (0:12) We got Zach over there. (0:13) Zach, we hand it off to you, man.(0:14) Who else we got? (0:15) We got Andrew Joseph. (0:19) Andrew, and then Andrew, who we got down there? (0:22) All right. (0:24) Welcome everybody.(0:24) Yeah. (0:25) All right. Today, ladies and gentlemen, (0:28) we’re going to talk about leadership and following and leading and all this cool stuff, (0:34) because a lot of stuff has happened in the last five years, as we reflect.(0:37) This is the week the government actually shut down for COVID. (0:41) This is the week. (0:42) It was this week, like between the 13th and 20th, just so everybody knows.(0:46) So, it’s five years. (0:48) Five-year anniversary, everybody. (0:49) Woo! (0:50) Happy anniversary.(0:51) Tyranny rules. (0:53) So, leadership’s a big thing. (0:54) However, with that, we do want to talk about Roger Ver first, (0:58) and that’s going to be Andrew’s specialty, and he’s all the way over there.(1:03) We’re going to have to kind of point him all the way over there. (1:05) But after that, we’ll get into this thing, (1:08) and we’re going to talk about hierarchies and why they are and stuff. (1:11) And what’s funny is there’s five of us here who are pretty independent people (1:14) who are probably all weird personal leaders, (1:16) but I would argue we probably have some challenges with, like, group leadership or something.(1:20) We probably talk about some challenges we face with our personal lives (1:23) and how we try to run as we’re ramping this journey up for our podcasts (1:27) and our businesses, those things. (1:31) So, welcome, everyone. (1:32) Thank you so much for joining.(1:33) We’re already up to five people. (1:35) Hello. (1:35) That’s pretty awesome.(1:36) Thank you. (1:37) There were, like, two people waiting. (1:39) So, that’s pretty cool.(1:40) Let’s get in there. (1:41) Let’s see if we have any comments. (1:42) Who wants to take care of the comments section? (1:45) Anyone in there? (1:47) All right.(1:47) So, we’ll keep that open. (1:49) Once again, I think we should hand it off to Andrew to talk about Mr. Roger Veer. (1:56) Probably give a little bit of history, background, and then talk to us about what’s going on, Andrew.(2:01) Oh, did you want to pull up the video? (2:05) Yeah, if you have a video, if you want to share that, I can pull that one up. (2:08) I sent it to you last night. (2:11) Hold on.(2:12) All right. (2:13) Just a second. (2:13) Let me pull it up.(2:15) All right. (2:15) Sorry about that. (2:17) Are you good? (2:18) Let’s see.(2:18) Look at this. (2:18) This is just how it works. (2:20) Oh, you’re good.(2:21) Just a second. (2:22) All right. (2:23) Yeah, if you want to pull it up, I can play it from here.(2:25) It should be okay. (2:25) Yeah. (2:26) Give me just a second.(2:28) Anyway, so, we haven’t been doing Sean. (2:31) How you been, man? (2:32) You’ve been working hard. (2:33) What you been up to? (2:34) Working hard.(2:35) That’s all I ever do. (2:37) That’s life, dude. (2:38) Like, I go to work, and I’m up between 3 and 5 a.m. every day of my life, and I go paint, (2:46) and then I come home and do more work because I have to do proposals and bids and stuff like that.(2:54) Life is crazy right now. (2:56) But I’ll take it. (2:58) It could be not crazy, and I could not be making money.(3:01) So, I’m not complaining, not even a little bit. (3:05) You feel like you over-deliver, Sean? (3:07) I’m sorry? (3:09) You feel like you over-deliver? (3:11) Never. (3:12) To your commitments? (3:13) Oh, okay.(3:14) I just wondered. (3:15) Never. (3:17) This is turning to put Sean over tonight.(3:21) Do you miss the podcast game? (3:22) That’s my question. (3:25) Actually, I miss it a lot. (3:27) It’s actually a thing where I’m like, well, I really need to get back to it, but I’m planning carefully for this next one because I don’t want to turn the next one into the one I just had.(3:42) If that makes any sense. (3:44) Absolutely. (3:45) You’re busy right now.(3:47) Honestly, part of the Buds in Reality thing was, in the very beginning, it was actually Buds in the Basement. (3:55) Because I do this shit in my basement. (3:56) If you can’t tell, I’m in my basement.(3:59) You moved from the basement to reality? (4:03) No, I stayed in the basement. (4:05) I just got more serious about stuff. (4:09) It’s one of those things where the original show was supposed to be about all the things I want to do now, but the politics took over.(4:24) When I tried to do something outside of politics, nobody watched or listened or anything. (4:31) My tribe was actually looking for me to do these things. (4:39) I was like, this is not fun anymore.(4:43) I totally get that, man. (4:44) That’s a huge thing we’ve run into. (4:47) It was momentum over time and stuff.(4:49) I think, Jason, you were even talking about it in your reflection thing. (4:51) You didn’t think you talked just about politics. (4:55) I don’t want to talk about politics.(4:57) Politics is bullshit. (4:58) I guess they can’t connect it to the weather. (5:01) It’s like, what are the basic things people have to talk about? (5:05) I like what we’re doing.(5:07) We talk about simulation theory, and we talk about more of a high-level view of how the media works, stuff like that. (5:15) It’s tangential to politics, but it’s not just straight up like, oh, did you see what Trump did today? (5:20) It’s fucking bullshit, blah, blah, blah. (5:22) That stuff, you can miss me with that.(5:24) That gets really annoying real fast. (5:26) Yeah. (5:28) For sure.(5:29) I posted a link in the private chat if you want to hold up. (5:33) Okay, thank you. (5:33) When you’re ready.(5:34) Give me just a minute. (5:35) That’s the thing about conversations. (5:38) Anything that we get into, every topic is going to interlink into some form of politics.(5:44) It’s just inevitable. (5:46) I mean, there’s politics in everything. (5:49) Yeah, politics has got into everything.(5:51) That’s the problem. (5:52) Well, I just mean the idea of politics is just an interaction thing. (5:59) So, whenever you interact, there’s always going to be clashes between different ideas.(6:06) So, sometimes it gets muffled into something negative, and lately, all it is is negative. (6:14) So, it’s always good to expand into something positive. (6:20) Politics is the art of selling security.(6:23) Politics is okay and retarded. (6:26) It is. (6:27) The funny thing is too, I was talking with Jason about it, and it comes across.(6:31) I was like, we’re not telling you guys what to think. (6:34) We’re just trying to deprogram what they’ve programmed into you. (6:39) Because you got to start the deprogramming before you can apply another shitty software on top of it.(6:46) You know what I mean? (6:47) Think about Windows upgrades, right? (6:49) If you don’t do a full uninstall and then a full fresh install, you’ve got problems. (6:55) So, you’ve got to get all that other junk out first before you can even start developing your own thoughts. (6:59) You’ve got to get the predetermined stuff out of your head.(7:03) Speaking of that, we have the Bitcoin Jesus video coming on here, and it’s 20 minutes long. (7:09) Are we watching a 20-minute video right now? (7:11) That’s what I was about to ask, Andrew. (7:13) What are we doing here, buddy? (7:16) It’s the whole context of his situation.(7:21) Can we break it down into a 30-second recap? (7:30) Do you mind if I get a stab at it, and then, Andrew, let you take it from there? (7:36) Yeah, you can take a stab at it. (7:38) Basically, Roger Ver, young man, he’s up and coming, and he sells products on the Internet. (7:48) Firecrackers on eBay.(7:50) Yeah, firecrackers on the Internet. (7:52) During something, he said something derogatory about the ATF. (7:57) He called him out for Waco.(7:59) He called him out for Waco, right. (8:01) Was it on a podcast? Was it on a radio station or something? (8:05) No, he was a libertarian candidate in California. (8:08) He was running for his district representative.(8:13) Exactly. He sells these firecrackers, then the ATF come down on him because he didn’t have a license, (8:19) yet no one ever had gotten anything outside of a fee or a fine, right? (8:26) What’s funny about the firecrackers is he was selling it for the farm firecrackers. (8:35) You know, when you buy it, like, for Fourth of July.(8:39) Right, for crows and stuff. To scare crows and scare… (8:44) Right, so it was for actual utility purpose, and I don’t think you even need a license, but ATF… (8:50) So, during that time, there was a trial, right, or whatever, (8:54) and something about the ATF guy is like, (8:57) you didn’t hear what he said about us. (8:59) And you’re like, oh, this is where it goes, right? (9:02) So, it was politically motivated, yeah.(9:04) All right, Andrew, you want to take it from there? (9:06) Well, like I said, if anybody is interested, watch the video later. (9:13) If you look at it, it was politically motivated, right? (9:19) So, it was advised to him just to do the time and, you know, (9:26) try to keep his head low so that he doesn’t get in any more trouble. (9:31) So, he did the time.(9:34) He went to jail. (9:37) Did business while he was in jail, because he’s a professional. (9:40) He’s a businessman, not like, you know, one of these sleazeballs, (9:44) but like an actual bread-and-butter businessman.(9:46) He was into, like, computer technologies and stuff like that. (9:50) And he got out of jail, waited until he was, you know, free to go, (9:57) and he renounced his citizenship. (9:59) And he spent the last 10-plus years just promoting Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash (10:07) because he felt like that was the only, you know, safe, free way (10:13) that he could fight the system without, you know, causing any direct conflict.(10:21) And they only have laws on the books. (10:26) This is just the IRS’s preferences. (10:29) They took his tax returns, and they said that he didn’t file his tax returns (10:35) because he filed them through the mail, and they said they never got them.(10:39) And so now he is fighting extradition. (10:43) He’s in Spain in order to call their bluff. (10:52) The crazy thing is, like, he paid, right? He paid taxes.(10:56) Yeah, he said he’ll pay the taxes, but they won’t tell him what he owes. (11:01) He’s calling their bluff, and, I mean, it’s just crazy. (11:06) And what’s crazy is I did watch the video, and I remember what he said was about, (11:12) he said I was even meticulous in his emails.(11:16) This has to go through a fine-tooth comb. (11:18) He had, like, three groups watching each other going through this (11:22) because he said, they’re after me anyway, (11:24) so I need to make sure this is bulletproof, waterproof, watertight as possible. (11:27) So he was intentionally trying to do the right thing.(11:31) He had two or three different tax services do his taxes. (11:35) And he has it on a book. (11:37) They went and raided his office, not his office, his lawyer’s offices, (11:45) and they were trying to, you know, try any dirt that they could on him.(11:49) Yeah, no warrant. (11:50) And they were trying to find any dirt they could on him because he’s basically squeaky clean. (11:56) He’s trying to do everything as, you know, as good and honest as possible.(12:01) Well, here’s the reason that they’re going after him at this point (12:07) is because he paid what he was owed 10 years ago. (12:11) But because of the price of Bitcoin going up astronomically, (12:16) they’re playing off of the number go up game of where Bitcoin’s value is now (12:22) compared to when he actually exited and was able to complete his denouncement in 2014. (12:31) So they’re trying to get him for what the value is now.(12:36) And remember what they’re trying to do in future taxes, right? (12:38) This could even set another precedent for they’re going to get you to tax you on future gains. (12:45) Well, what if it drops? (12:46) Do you get the money back when you get a loss for that? (12:50) This is what Kamala Harris was talking about when she was trying to run on her platform, (12:55) was that even if you don’t recognize any gains because you hold the asset, think of a house. (13:02) This is something they were seriously trying to push through.(13:05) Just because you own a house, but you haven’t actually, you know, recognized any gains, (13:10) like, you know, sold it or anything like that. (13:13) You still owe taxes for the value that this is what they’re trying to pull, (13:20) is that you pay taxes on something you haven’t even made money off of. (13:24) It’s literally a house that’s supposed to be utility, right? (13:27) And I can live in ones and zeros, right? (13:29) That provides a good cover for my head, those ones and zeros? (13:32) Yeah, yeah.An unrealized gain tax on top of your property tax that you already fucking pay. (13:39) Right. (13:41) Or you can just realize that Bitcoin is a fucking Fed coin as soon as BlackRock got involved.(13:47) It is now. It is now. (13:50) I pray to God they let Roger Ver go.I do. (13:56) Like, he did nothing wrong. The man is a gentleman.He did the right thing. (14:00) He got caught in the wrong places, whatever. (14:02) But, like, honestly, Bitcoin, just like every other cryptocurrency, is a Fed coin.(14:12) Everything. It’s all trash. (14:14) Like, just wait.I’m telling you guys right now. (14:17) And I know a lot of you guys are involved in the blockchain. (14:20) The day’s coming where they’re going to shut everything down and you guys are going to be left with nothing.(14:25) And I’ll be sitting here with my silver and copper going, (14:29) DuckTales, whoo! (14:31) Sean’s our resident Luddite here. (14:34) What was that? (14:36) Sean’s our resident Luddite. Afraid of technology.(14:39) We’ve got an I told you so-er already in here. (14:42) It’s like all five of us. (14:45) It’s like everything is like, I told you so, just cross it out and just end it with Ron Paul’s right.(14:50) No, I agree. I think Sean’s right. It’s hijacked.(14:53) And I think a lot of people are saying, like, Roger Ver got taken on now because of the book that he released. (15:00) The hijacking Bitcoin book. (15:03) Suspicious timing.It was like a few months after that book came out that he got arrested in Spain. (15:09) So what do you guys think? (15:10) Suspicious timing. The Madtown BB’s house got visited by the IRS that day that he was in Congress doing an actual deposition.(15:18) Yeah. (15:19) You don’t got to worry about BB. BB gets his way no matter what.(15:22) Like when it comes to American politics and anything in America, BB’s straight. (15:28) I promise you that. (15:29) I wouldn’t.I wouldn’t say straight. (15:33) The funny thing about Israel against me. (15:37) I’m not allowed to say it.I promise. (15:40) What, you? (15:41) No, the other one, the F word. (15:47) No one talks about it.She’s like Israel asked us to look at them. (15:52) So we looked and now we see what they do. (15:55) And it’s like, yeah, that’s their frickin own fault that they cried like little babies to look at them.(16:03) And now we look at the situation when, huh? (16:06) You’re right. It is worse than we thought. (16:09) Just not the way you think, right? (16:14) So, Andrew, let me ask you, why? (16:16) Why do you want to bring this up? (16:18) What’s the key point? (16:20) Well, we did what we had talked about at the end of last, the last podcast we were together.(16:25) So I was just, you know, I didn’t have one on the promise. (16:29) You want to close it out. (16:30) OK, gotcha.(16:31) You know what? (16:32) It kind of goes up to what we’re going to be talking about today because Roger Veer and his situation kind of proves where his standpoint is in life. (16:43) And he is a leader. (16:45) He’s a leader in his own fashion.(16:47) He has taken the lead in his entrepreneurial exploits within crypto, all his other avenues that he’s dealt with pre-crypto because he was a very wealthy man before Bitcoin. (17:03) He was financially independent before even Bitcoin took off. (17:08) So there he started.(17:10) Bitcoin is the freedom, not really, not even just as like an investment thing. (17:13) He saw it as like freedom. (17:14) Yeah.(17:15) Well, he started. (17:17) He started his announcement. (17:19) Please riddle me that.(17:21) How is Bitcoin freedom when BlackRock is involved with it? (17:26) It’s not freedom. (17:27) When the Jews and the central banks are involved in that, it is absolutely not freedom at all. (17:34) Bitcoin is not a thing to CBDC.(17:37) Mark my words, bookmark this shit. (17:39) I think that’s it. (17:40) I think that’s the point.(17:40) Right. (17:40) Sean is is Jason was talking about the book that Roger just wrote. (17:45) And it’s about it getting hijacked about not that wasn’t the intent.(17:48) Right. (17:49) And now it’s because it was not. (17:50) Yeah.(17:50) That’s the intention. (17:52) The idea of Bitcoin is freedom, even if it has been compromised. (17:56) Yeah.(17:57) But the people who who blindly follow that shit are like, well, wouldn’t wouldn’t you (18:02) just be so happy when all these rich bankers got involved in your shit? (18:06) And I’m like, no, absolutely not. (18:09) No, Max. (18:10) But the number goes up.(18:12) I think some people are looking at it as an investment only, which is that was never (18:16) this gambling. (18:17) It was it wasn’t designed for currency. (18:20) The number is down to like seventy four thousand.(18:24) It was just over a hundred grand. (18:25) It was it was different. (18:28) It’s in.(18:28) It started out as zero. (18:30) And then last year, Bitcoin will fall down to zero. (18:35) It’s going to do that.(18:36) It’s it’s it’s marching its way there, especially when the orange man just said, hey, we’re (18:42) going to get involved in all this stuff and blah, blah, blah. (18:45) No, that’s probably a good thing. (18:47) Excellent.(18:48) We’ll see. (18:49) We’ll see how his regulators are. (18:51) Well, and for Trump’s regulators, please tell me who they are.(18:57) More concerned. (18:58) I will be honest. (18:58) I’ll be more concerned about a CBDC.(19:00) And then just whether whether Bitcoin because Bitcoin’s a voluntary thing that you can be (19:05) in. (19:05) That’s right. (19:06) I can choose to not be in it.(19:08) But if we go to CBDC and yeah, at least you’re off, ladies and gentlemen, at least we no (19:13) longer have Gary Gensler as the head of the SEC. (19:17) Let’s just put it that way. (19:20) Is that something Trump did? (19:23) No, he resigned before his term let let out.(19:27) There was a lot of social pressure. (19:31) Do you think they can take Bitcoin and turn it into the CBDC? (19:36) Yes. (19:37) That is something that that, you know, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, is (19:43) is trying to pivot towards.(19:46) And that’s what they’re doing. (19:47) They’re making out to like the direct deposit. (19:49) I mean, it stops the fiat system and current implementation because it slows it down and (19:58) it it it controls inflation.(20:01) But at the same time, they can only do so much with what the trajectory of Bitcoin historically (20:08) is designed to do. (20:12) So where on the dollar did Bitcoin touch you, John? (20:20) Where did the Zionists touch you? (20:22) Where did the Bitcoin touch you? (20:26) Trust me, the Zionists are touching everyone everywhere. (20:29) I promise you that.(20:31) That’s one thing we could definitely agree on is that. (20:35) Well, what if what if we want what do we what if we want to be touched by the Zionists? (20:39) And that’s your voluntary choice. (20:42) Knock yourself out.(20:43) If you want to get pounded by Jews, go for it. (20:46) I’d say pounded. (20:48) I thought it was a gentle touch.(20:53) It’s just a gentle touch. (20:55) All right. (20:56) So with Roger, where are we currently at with Roger, Andrew? (20:59) Do you know just the most current update? (21:02) As far as I’m aware, he lost the appeal for extradition and now he’s just waiting to be extradited.(21:10) So he’s on that island in Spain, right? (21:12) Just waiting to be taken in. (21:15) Why is Spain dragging their feet? (21:17) Any reason why Spain dragging their feet or why? (21:20) Because they’re smart. (21:21) Well, I’m wondering, are they actually opposing this? (21:24) I mean, he’s in a Western democracy, right? (21:28) And that’s, you know, they’re power players in the grand scheme of things.(21:33) Allegedly. (21:34) Yeah. (21:35) He’s also in the same place that uninstalled McAfee.(21:40) Right. (21:41) That’s true. (21:42) It was in the same prison.(21:44) It wasn’t the same prison. (21:46) I actually reached out to Roger through email. (21:50) Sent him an email asking if he wanted to talk.(21:52) He actually responded, but he’s like, yeah, I can’t really talk about the Bitcoin stuff right now. (22:00) That’s awesome that you reached out, though. (22:02) So right now Roger’s in that.(22:05) So this is a perfect segue, Jason. (22:07) What compelled you to just go, huh, I really like to talk to Roger Rare, but I have no way of knowing what do I even think to do and what gives you like that internal drive to actually make that action to do that? (22:27) Hell if I know, man. (22:29) But honestly, I just I read his book.(22:31) I read Hijacking Bitcoin. (22:33) It was really good. (22:34) I had some questions.(22:36) I was like, hey, what’s up, man? (22:37) You want to talk? (22:38) And I had seen him going around on like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones and stuff. (22:42) He was on those shows. (22:43) I was like, hey, maybe he’s bored.(22:46) He’s sitting around waiting to be extradited. (22:49) He can’t go anywhere. (22:50) He’s on house arrest.(22:50) So why not? (22:51) Maybe he’ll just want to hang out. (22:54) But the angle I’m going for, though, is like you. (22:57) What acted you to do that? (22:58) Right.(22:58) There’s an internal drive inside you. (23:00) Like the curiosity obviously continued your interest. (23:04) But you know what? (23:05) 90 percent of us, 80 percent of us at least would just read the book.(23:09) Oh, man, that was the most interesting book I’ve ever read in my entire life, man. (23:13) My entire life changed for it. (23:15) And then they put it in the corner and it just starts collecting dust.(23:17) Right. (23:18) They don’t think to take that step. (23:20) Right.(23:20) So it’s a kind of a leadership thing. (23:22) This is the most interesting book I’ve ever read in my entire life. (23:26) I agree.(23:28) It’s pretty good. (23:28) Freaking encyclopedia, man. (23:30) It is.(23:32) It’s beyond. (23:32) I have never read anything this big. (23:37) Right.(23:38) And that’s kind of thing is like we’re talking about leadership. (23:40) Right. (23:40) And you have a quality in you, Jason.(23:42) Like, I’m going to reach out to Roger because I just want to talk to Roger. (23:46) I’ve reached out to people. (23:47) I like I said before this, I actually emailed that Bill Murray Yahoo address.(23:52) And I said, hey, Bill, here’s the link to our stream yard. (23:56) We’re doing tomorrow. (23:57) We think you’d be awesome to join us.(23:59) And I got like an email. (24:00) But who cares? (24:02) Like, who cares? (24:03) Right. (24:04) So what’s inside of us that starts that whole drive? (24:08) And I just got to say, I saw that email last night because you copied me on it.(24:13) And I was just like, this motherfucker really reached out to Bill Murray. (24:20) Why not? (24:21) Why not? (24:22) It’s awesome. (24:23) But that’s the point.(24:24) I know he’s not going to. (24:25) Speaking of that, I know he’s not going to hear this, but Thomas Massey. (24:29) Come on.(24:30) The legacy. (24:30) Right. (24:31) I’ll be right.(24:33) Do it. (24:34) I’ve I’ve invited Thomas actually in person and his his guy, Matt. (24:38) I think Matt’s his press guy.(24:40) You know, fitting him in is always tough. (24:43) We always have an open invite. (24:45) But right.(24:45) But like once again, what drive what drove us to do is like we’ve got nothing to lose. (24:50) But how many percentage what’s a percentage of us would actually do that that actually would have sent that email? (24:55) Right. (24:55) Who would have emailed Roger Ver after that? (24:58) So like it’s us.(24:59) Right. (24:59) But that’s we’re sitting here talking about the leadership stuff. (25:02) So, Jason, do you want to start kind of the beginning of how we got into this and what we want to talk about? (25:10) I don’t know why we got to this, but it’s a it’s a great topic.(25:16) We you go around in your daily life. (25:18) You know that some people leave. (25:20) Some people follow.(25:21) A lot of people have heard of like the Pareto principle where 20 percent of the people do 80 percent of the work. (25:29) The same thing probably applies to leadership. (25:33) Some people just seem to have it.(25:35) Some don’t. (25:36) But maybe there’s something you can learn. (25:38) Maybe it’s something you develop and everybody has to follow at some point in their life.(25:44) And you kind of grow into being a leader. (25:46) And I think probably some of the things we’re going to talk about might be like being a parent, being a father. (25:53) That’s definitely a leadership role that men need to take in their life if you choose to do that.(26:00) So that’s where we’re getting started with. (26:02) I think. (26:03) Yeah.(26:04) Any other comments? (26:05) I think it’s going to blend into kind of the Enneagram stuff we’re going to talk about probably the next time we get together with Andrew. (26:12) Andrew’s going to get us those lists. (26:13) But Zach, you had talked about this, too, coming off of this.(26:17) You were really interested in talking about this. (26:18) What was your interest in talking about this whole leadership stuff? (26:22) Well, I’m going to lead in with a question. (26:25) What do you guys think? (26:27) How do you think? (26:28) How do you guys think? (26:33) I had the question in my mind.(26:35) I’m going to read it out. (26:37) How can what do you guys think for how we can excel as a leader? (26:44) There we go. (26:44) That’s better.(26:45) I had it written down. (26:46) I was trying to just read it off the paper. (26:52) But what do you guys think about being a leader and how you can excel as a leader? (27:00) Well, I mean, you’ve got to white knuckle it at first.(27:04) It can be stressful. (27:05) But the more efficient you operate, the easier things get down the road. (27:16) Efficiency is a good point.(27:18) Absolutely. (27:20) I think to excel as a leader, you have to really care. (27:24) I think care is a big aspect of it.(27:27) You not only care about your own success, but you care about your team, your group, (27:32) whoever it is that you’re leading. (27:33) You have to really be in it. (27:36) You have to have that drive to push to a next level.(27:41) So I’ve had leaders that are just like, OK, we maintain where we’re at. (27:46) We’re not really going anywhere, though. (27:48) We’re doing good.(27:49) But just like, that’s it. (27:51) We’re going to stay flat. (27:53) But I think an excellent leader will really see.(27:56) You can see what’s going on at the level and you can look to the next level and say (28:01) that, hey, there’s something more up here that we could get to. (28:05) I think that’s maybe the difference between an OK leader and a great leader. (28:13) And I think it depends on what page you’re on.(28:18) If you’re on the same page, you’re going to operate more efficiently than if you’re not. (28:23) Yes. (28:24) Yeah, you got to be able to connect with people.(28:26) You got to be able to communicate, communicate ideas, communicate where you’re at. (28:31) You have to be able to give feedback to people, help them understand if they’re not doing (28:37) something wrong in a way that doesn’t demotivate them to. (28:41) Got to be able to listen, actively listen.(28:44) I think my challenge. (28:46) And there’s two. (28:47) I think there’s kind of multiple versions of leadership.(28:50) Right. (28:50) Like you’re talking about like leading a group of people or you’re talking about, you know, (28:54) just leading yourself. (28:55) Right.(28:55) Just having self-discipline, for example. (28:57) Like I think the five of us are very extremely disciplined, but being small libertarian anarchist, (29:04) whatever we are, we probably have a challenge with authority and therefore have a challenge (29:08) taking authority in in that way. (29:12) Right.(29:12) Like for me, it’s always been like I’ve been a horrible follower. (29:17) So I actually think that I would have to work on that ability before I could ever even think (29:22) to leave is my ability to understand that the hierarchy is required to make it happen. (29:31) Yeah.(29:34) So any thoughts on the hierarchy or anything? (29:36) Do you want me to play the one Jordan Peterson about the hierarchy and how it works with (29:40) hierarchy? (29:40) I’ll chime in real quick. (29:42) Yeah. (29:43) And I’m going to say this.(29:45) Mark and I come from a different breed. (29:49) We’re Gen Xers. (29:51) And no, no.(29:52) This is where I’m going with this. (29:54) I know you’re laughing, but no, this is. (29:56) I’m with you.(29:56) No, no. (29:57) I totally get it because there’s always like a battle of the generations, you know. (30:00) Mark’s a boomer.(30:01) Don’t let it fool you. (30:02) I’m like a boomer plus, man. (30:04) No, no, no.(30:05) Mark’s actually 70. (30:07) I am Gen X. (30:07) Trust me. (30:08) Trust me.(30:09) I don’t even know technology for fuck’s sake. (30:12) But no. (30:13) How? (30:13) Wait, hold on.(30:14) How? (30:15) When Mark is older than you. (30:18) What are you talking about? (30:19) I don’t know it either. (30:21) I don’t really know exactly.(30:24) Sorry for interrupting, Sean. (30:25) No, no. (30:26) Sean’s got a point.(30:26) I totally get it. (30:28) I totally understand. (30:28) Go ahead, Sean.(30:30) I’m busting your balls. (30:32) What is it? (30:32) Is that a Gen X saying? (30:34) I forget. (30:35) Sean, what were you saying, buddy? (30:36) But go ahead.(30:38) People like Mark and I, you got made fun of for being a follower back then. (30:45) You did. (30:46) It was a thing.(30:47) You didn’t want to be a follower when we were growing up. (30:50) You wanted to be a leader. (30:52) So whether you led the charge of a certain group of people or you led the charge for yourself, (31:00) because that’s a thing for Gen X too, is we’re very much loners.(31:04) We can be loners. (31:05) We’re very fine with being by ourselves. (31:08) I know I am.(31:10) I’m going to piggyback on that because I got the same situation. (31:15) I was actually bullied when I was a kid because I wasn’t willing to chime in with the same old, same old. (31:25) I wasn’t willing to be ride or die with some jackass kid at school.(31:31) Everybody else followed them because they were scared of them. (31:34) Me, I just did my own thing. (31:36) And that’s based.(31:38) That’s awesome. (31:39) I’m glad to hear that. (31:40) And I’m actually not surprised to hear that from you at the same time.(31:45) You know, you’re much younger than me. (31:47) You’re over a decade younger than me, dog. (31:50) So, like, let me ask.(31:52) So what I see is this 80-20 thing. (31:54) Is it genetic? (31:56) Like, is it cultural? (31:58) Because it still kind of does play itself out over the long term, right? (32:05) And it’s kind of weird to say it’s genetic because, like, only 20% of humans are wired to be leaders. (32:13) It seems odd, right? (32:15) It almost seems like these are, I mean, I think you can improve the skills, but I think you have to have a drive to have something, a goal that you think you have a vision for.(32:24) And I think, Jason, you mentioned that, like vision. (32:26) What are your thoughts on that? (32:28) I think the angle that Sean was taking on it is definitely cultural. (32:32) It’s something that has been shifting more and more towards it’s basically a socialist mindset where it’s like if you step out of line, if you don’t go along with the herd, you’re outcast.(32:43) You’re just pushed to the side. (32:46) That is not rewarded. (32:48) And more and more it’s that way, I think.(32:51) I was talking to a kid, and I was talking to my buddy, and he’s got like two kids in high school. (32:55) And I asked him if they’re dating. (32:58) You know what I mean? (32:58) That’s what we all talked about.(33:00) And I remember talking about that as a kid, right? (33:02) You date? (33:03) And he’s like, no, because if I date, I have to be some kind of non-binary thing. (33:09) I can’t be like a boy looking for a girl. (33:12) He has to, like, they have to declare themselves as some fluidity or else they can’t date the general population.(33:21) To be fair, back in my day, we would act like we were – oh, I really want to say the F word right now. (33:29) We would act like we’re gay. (33:32) We’d act like we’re gay.(33:33) I made a promise. (33:34) I can’t say it. (33:35) I can’t.(33:36) Yeah. (33:37) But then we’d turn around, and we’d bang that bitch. (33:43) Wait a second.(33:44) Wait a second. (33:46) I think you skipped over some key details here. (33:51) Did you get high? (33:53) I thought I was high.(33:55) I would just bang that bitch. (33:56) Like, are you high right now? (33:58) I mean, look at Bill Murray’s missing out, isn’t he? (34:02) Isn’t Bill Murray missing out right now? (34:04) I think Zach just got fucked up before the show. (34:07) Where are you even – what does – (34:11) What’s the right course? (34:13) Motivate us and send her for horse.(34:15) Holy shit, dude. (34:19) I’m high off that contact buzz. (34:22) Wait.(34:24) No, but really, I – (34:26) Those are the same signals I was sending. (34:27) The funny thing is – (34:27) So I can get logged on. (34:31) I only say that story is because I had a buddy of mine that acted like he was gay.(34:36) Or he didn’t even act like it. (34:37) He had this girl that thought he was gay. (34:41) And, like, probably like six months later, he’s hanging out, and then she asked him, (34:46) You’re not gay, are you? (34:53) So did they hook up or what? (34:56) They hooked up, man.(34:57) They hooked up. (34:59) At least there’s a happy ending to that story. (35:01) All right.(35:02) There’s always a happy ending. (35:03) My stomach hurts. (35:07) I’ll try to get it back on course.(35:09) Oh, my God. (35:11) All right, so this is part of the thing, man. (35:13) I did some mad research.(35:16) It’s called a Google search. (35:18) I did mad research. (35:19) I literally typed in leadership following, how do we do this, what’s all this craziness, (35:24) and it came up.(35:25) All I got was Jordan Peterson clips, guys. (35:27) I’m really sorry. (35:28) So I have two Jordan Peterson clips.(35:31) But I wanted to introduce this one because the leadership thing is really important. (35:36) What’s good, Sean? (35:37) They’re not 20 minutes, are they? (35:39) No, no, it’s literally like 40 seconds. (35:42) I promise you, I’m not giving you the Andrew treatment over there.(35:45) Is Jordan at least acting like he’s gay? (35:51) Oh, you don’t know what he’s got until he’s got less of an accent. (35:55) But then he might talk about something else. (35:59) He’s got a very, it’s a very mild Jordan Peterson.(36:01) Well, it depends what you mean by gay. (36:03) First, you have to define the word. (36:05) What do you mean by pocket? (36:07) But now it means that you sound like Kermit the Frog.(36:12) I love my frogs. (36:15) It’s not easy being green, you know. (36:17) It’s not easy with gawd.(36:20) All right. (36:21) When you’re Canadian, it’s just normal. (36:23) Everyone’s a little bit gay.(36:28) Look, man. (36:29) Kermit the Frog’s gay, God damn it. (36:32) It’s the frogs.(36:33) It’s all the frogs. (36:35) We’re going to have to do an Alex Jones on Alex Jones off one of these days. (36:41) I don’t think so.(36:42) I think you’ll yield to Andrew. (36:43) I’ll happily do mine, but I think I will yield to Andrew. (36:46) I don’t want it to be a competition.(36:47) But so basically the hierarchy thing is we have to live our life by that, right? (36:52) It’s like what do we value first? (36:54) Because if we didn’t have a set of values or we didn’t rank our stuff, well, what do we start with? (37:01) The closest thing, you know what I mean? (37:03) So there is always some kind of ranking in some way. (37:06) So this is about the hierarchy and why leadership might even be required. (37:10) Well, how about no hierarchies? (37:12) No.(37:13) How about not? (37:15) Wrong. (37:16) Because all that happens if you flatten, one of the things that happens if you flatten out the hierarchy is you can’t even organize your perceptions. (37:23) You can’t perceive the world without looking at the world through a hierarchy of value.(37:29) And because you can’t perceive the world unless you make one thing more important than all the other things because you don’t even know what to look at. (37:36) And if one thing is more important than all the other things, then you have nothing to aim at. (37:39) If you have nothing to aim at, then you have no meaning in your life.(37:44) Yeah. (37:46) What are your thoughts on hierarchy and why we need to like literally rank things in our life to even get through the day? (37:56) Oh, we have to have something that justifies our existence, right? (38:01) And the more we build towards something, the broader the picture becomes. (38:09) It’s all about purpose, right? (38:13) I mean, that’s the whole point of life is to try to discover yourself.(38:18) If you don’t have anything that you’re striving for, then you get stuck. (38:25) So I think the reason why we try to rank things in order from best to worst is which road are we going to take? (38:36) It’s like that meme. (38:39) You go this way to happiness, you go this way to misery.(38:44) Which one do you want to take? (38:48) And it’s interesting too because you’re looking at this thing and he’s talking about how the hierarchy works. (38:58) Now imagine your personal life. (39:00) That’s the thing.(39:01) Do I shower first? (39:02) Brush my teeth? (39:02) What order do I do my life or whatever? (39:04) Now that goes to everything else in an organization, a group. (39:09) Of course, some kind of structure would have to be. (39:11) You start looking towards some upper person who might have more experience than you, who might know it better, who you respect and admire.(39:20) So we talk about how this works because it’s tough because we talk about hierarchies and we believe in hierarchies as ANCAPs even. (39:28) Because we believe in governance over government, I guess. (39:31) And I think we’re happy to look at people that we see as leaders that we can all agree to have an expertise on certain things and value those things.(39:42) I mean, you guys can have a hierarchy. (39:44) I’ll be in the back alley selling dopes. (39:48) You’ll be free to do so, brother.(39:53) Well, I mean, at the end of the day, people are wired one way or the other. (39:58) So you’re either going to lead or you’re going to follow. (40:01) And certain people will lead the way and certain people are going to follow them.(40:05) And that’s just the way human nature is. (40:09) That’s the way we’re wired. (40:10) It’s been that way since the beginning of time.(40:14) So it’s hard to argue that. (40:17) But at the end of the day, anybody with their own mind is going to lead themselves one way or the other. (40:29) You know what I’m saying? (40:30) Like I was saying just before, us Gen Xers, a lot of us are comfortable with being loners.(40:38) We can buy a loan. (40:42) I could definitely do it. (40:44) I would be perfectly fine.(40:46) Had I never gotten married or anything like that, I would have been the forever bachelor, man. (40:53) That was actually the plan. (40:55) And then I met my wife, and she kind of changed things.(40:57) Kind of funny how life is. (40:58) I love my girlfriend. (40:59) I’m in love with my girlfriend.(41:01) But there are days where we are able to spend a lot of solitude, even in the house. (41:06) We’ll be in different sections, and we’re comfortable like that. (41:09) We’ll check in on each other.(41:11) That is amazing. (41:12) But it’s a beautiful thing that we can just, oh, you know what? (41:16) Let me go downstairs for a second, give her a kiss, and then head back up and kind of get into my own head again. (41:21) And that’s base.(41:23) Seriously. (41:24) Well, the whole thing is that we’re programmed, since we’re little children, through the preschool and the kindergartens and the elementaries and middle schools and high schools and colleges. (41:42) They’re all telling you you need a hierarchy from the time you’re born.(41:48) Seriously, though. (41:49) People don’t think about this much. (41:52) But this is some real shit.(41:53) It’s like you are literally bred and taught that somebody has to tell you what to do for your entire life. (42:04) Yeah, and I think that hierarchy is different than the leadership you’re talking about or the authority, right? (42:10) It might even be leadership. (42:11) It’s like authority.(42:12) Always look to your ex, right? (42:14) Like the guy in the white coat is the doctor. (42:17) Well, he’s also my butcher, the guy in the white coat. (42:21) So what am I looking to him for an expertise on, right? (42:24) So we talk like authority, right? (42:26) Or like what’s that? (42:27) That bowing down to authority or whatever.(42:30) Yeah, this is a good one. (42:32) Go ahead, Zach. (42:34) No, go ahead, Jason.(42:35) Go ahead. (42:36) Okay, I was going to say this is like Michael Malice talks about how people are conditioned to accept leaders, right? (42:43) But he also takes it a step further. (42:45) Like we’re conditioned to accept, what do you call it? (42:49) Inferior leaders like teachers, for example.(42:53) You know, some teachers are great, not trying to knock teachers, but like you don’t know everything. (42:58) You don’t need to have control over every single person, every single thing that that class does. (43:05) So we’re conditioned to not only accept a hierarchy, a structure, but just people that are shitty.(43:11) And if you look at Congress, you look at our government leadership, they’re all fucking retarded. (43:19) And we just accept that. (43:20) But that’s why it’s so hard to get people to get into anarchy.(43:24) It’s because of that conditioning. (43:26) They’re like, oh, but if we didn’t have this, who’s going to build the roads? (43:30) How will we know where to put them? (43:31) It’s just like, come on. (43:34) Go ahead.(43:35) When we’re all on the same page, there’s no form of quality control. (43:41) Before we continue, I just want to tell Jason to settle down a little bit, sir. (43:45) You’re getting a little down.(43:48) This is not good for me. (43:51) I’m loving it. (43:52) No, you learn.(43:54) Let’s get kicked off. (44:01) Drop this. (44:02) Drop this comment onto the screen, actually, because I think this.(44:06) Which one? (44:07) Yes. (44:07) Talk about Milgram’s experiment, please. (44:09) Because Milgram’s experiment actually kind of explains why hierarchy seems to be the condition that we perceive ourselves.(44:19) We think that we need some sort of authority to tell us what we’re unsure we should do. (44:27) But we’ve been taught that our whole lives, our whole lives. (44:31) Our whole lives.(44:32) And that’s what Milgram’s experiment kind of proves. (44:35) When you have these two choices, whether you’re to press the buzzer and shock the other person in the next room or not. (44:48) And this white coat doctor telling you, go ahead and press it.(44:54) It’ll be OK. (44:54) And then you’re just hearing scream. (44:56) And then the voltage goes up.(44:58) You hit the button. (44:59) They even do it past death, right? (45:00) They scream louder. (45:01) Even do it past death.(45:03) Even when you start to hear not hearing any any sounds. (45:07) Well, I don’t hear anything. (45:09) Why do people tend to still listen to that white coat, that white lab coat expert? (45:16) Why do we think that the experts know more than what we we should understand or we already understand ourselves? (45:25) Trust the experts.(45:28) And you brought up COVID at the beginning. (45:30) This is a perfect example. (45:33) COVID was.(45:34) You’re supposed to trust the experts and they got everything wrong. (45:37) Everything. (45:38) Yeah.(45:39) And we will get to COVID. (45:40) Let me play this two minute clip. (45:41) I just pulled this up on Milgram.(45:43) So it should just probably be a quick little explanation of it. (45:46) And then we’ll get back to the conversation. (45:50) A decade earlier, psychologist Stanley Milgram had also looked at how we respond to authority.(45:56) In order to understand how people were induced to obey unjust regimes and participate in atrocities such as the Holocaust, he set up an experiment. (46:08) Volunteers were told they were taking part in scientific research to improve memory. (46:20) Separated by a screen, the teacher would ask the learner questions in a word game.(46:25) And administer an electric shock when the answer was incorrect. (46:29) He was told to increase the voltage with each wrong answer. (46:34) Cloud.(46:35) Horse. (46:36) Rock. (46:37) House.(46:39) Answer. (46:40) Wrong. (46:43) 150 volts.(46:45) Answer. (46:46) Horse. (46:49) Experimental.(46:50) That’s all. (46:50) Get me out of here. (46:51) Get me out of here.(46:53) Please. (46:53) Continue, please. (46:53) Go right ahead.(46:54) You’re excused to go in. (46:55) Let me out. (46:56) You’re excused to go in.(46:57) The experiment requires you to continue, teacher. (46:59) Please continue. (47:00) Participants didn’t know that the learner was really an actor, and the so-called shocks harmless.(47:06) You’re going to get a shock. (47:08) 180 volts. (47:13) I can’t stand the pain.(47:15) Let me out of here. (47:16) You can’t stand it. (47:16) I’m not going to kill that man, eh? (47:18) I mean, who’s going to take the responsibility if anything happens to that gentleman? (47:21) I’m responsible for anything that happens here.(47:23) Continue, please. (47:24) All right, next one. (47:26) Slow.(47:27) Walk, dance, truck, music. (47:30) Two-thirds of volunteers were prepared to administer a potentially fatal electric shock when encouraged (47:36) to do so by what they perceived as a legitimate authority figure. (47:40) In this case, a man in a white coat.(47:43) 375 volts. (47:45) I think something’s happened to that fellow in there. (47:48) I don’t get no answer.(47:49) He was hollering with less voltage. (47:51) Can’t you check in and see if he’s all right, please? (47:54) Milgram’s findings horrified America. (47:57) They showed that decent American citizens were as capable of committing acts against (48:01) their conscience as the Germans had been under the Nazis.(48:06) Ordinary men. (48:08) Ordinary men. (48:09) That is a book.(48:11) Ordinary men is a book. (48:12) Holy shit. (48:14) Just the numbers alone of all the people.(48:18) It was crazy. (48:20) Thank you, everyone. (48:22) Once again, we’re back to this.(48:23) Milgram’s, once again, guy in the white coat. (48:25) Right? (48:26) Authority. (48:26) Respect to authority.(48:27) Or just because they come because they have some kind of piece of paper on a wall or because (48:32) they’re dressed a certain way. (48:34) It’s funny. (48:34) Like, back East, to your point, Sean, it’s not just cultural by generation.(48:41) But, like, I’m an East Coast guy. (48:43) So I’m from Philadelphia. (48:44) And if you, I had a realtor back East who drove a shit box who looked like crap.(48:51) And I gave them all the business because I know they were hustling because they needed (48:55) the work to get it, not because they weren’t competent, but because they’d work hard to (48:59) get it because they were hard workers. (49:01) That’s how I equated a lot of that. (49:03) When I came out to here, Arizona, it’s this Scottsdale kind of California light mentality.(49:09) The dude was born with a huge Rolex rolled up in like, you know, an infinity or something (49:14) and just like was dressed to the nines. (49:17) And I didn’t trust the guy. (49:18) I didn’t choose the guy to be my realtor.(49:21) I’m like, that guy’s not going to work for me. (49:23) That guy’s nothing but like, you know, all, you know, visual. (49:27) Right.(49:27) So it’s kind of interesting how that but people here would have kind of sucked into that kind (49:33) of mindset. (49:33) Right. (49:34) Because of how it is out here.(49:35) So curious on the environmental, like, not just that, but location to the regional and (49:40) the cultural on top of it. (49:44) Well, they don’t they don’t call it the left coast for no reason. (49:47) Right.(49:51) Yeah. (49:51) So once again, thank you, everybody, for joining us. (49:54) We’re talking about leadership, hierarchy, things like that.(49:56) We’ve got over 50 people on. (49:58) So thank you for joining us. (50:00) I do have a question for you, gentlemen.(50:02) I think if I can word it properly, I don’t know if it’s right, but here’s the way I’ve (50:09) looked at politics in this. (50:12) The left look at the rise of someone through the ranks and power, but and they look at (50:21) the corruption side of it. (50:22) Right.(50:22) They look at the power side and the corruption side, but they never look at the competence (50:27) that got the person to some point of authority in the first place. (50:32) Right. (50:33) Like whether their expertise, the right side looks at they look at the competence and the (50:39) power side, but they don’t ever look at the corruption.(50:42) So when shit hits the fan in an institution, they’re very much happy to defend the cracking (50:49) of the institution somehow and go down with the ship. (50:52) So it’s weird that I think like the left and the right both see like two thirds of each (50:57) of those equations, but not the full picture. (50:59) And I’m wondering if you guys have that same kind of thought on that.(51:03) Well, I was I just recently watched Adam Carolla video and he made a good point. (51:10) And I touched base on something else here before I pick up on his point. (51:13) There’s something called tabula rasa in legal theory and it’s blank slate.(51:18) Right. (51:19) We’re born blank slate. (51:21) Adam Carolla was talking about how, you know, you create train a dog.(51:25) Right. (51:26) Well, when when you’re raised, you’re basically trained to behave under a certain set of instincts (51:33) and behaviors. (51:34) And that’s it’s something that they’ve been able to, you know, master is to appeal to (51:43) to those those instincts and those behaviors in order to, you know, guide the political (51:48) system that we have in today’s society.(51:51) So that’s something to consider. (51:54) I just think people are retarded. (51:58) Go ahead, Jason.(51:59) People are retarded. (52:00) Yes. (52:01) That ties into what I was going to say, too.(52:04) I think you’re right. (52:06) Kind of like Sean was saying, too, it is conditioning. (52:08) Right.(52:08) But humans are also very susceptible to that conditioning because we’re always looking (52:14) for shortcuts. (52:15) And that’s probably true of like any animal. (52:17) Right.(52:17) But we’re always looking for a shortcut to get the things we need. (52:21) We want food. (52:21) We want shelter.(52:22) We want all this. (52:23) And everything that we do is going to be like a way to get that. (52:28) Right.(52:29) Fill your Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, whatever. (52:34) Everything that we do is that. (52:36) So if we can find shortcuts, that’s great.(52:39) And we know that when we divide labor, when we share jobs and specialize in things, then (52:44) you can exponentially grow the output. (52:47) And that’s where we’re living right now. (52:49) Like with some of the results of that, even though government tries to steal all of it, (52:53) we’re living with the results of a few people that have made amazing strides and built things.(53:02) Like you were saying, Mark, people like Steve Jobs building the iPhone. (53:07) That was a revolutionary thing that raised everybody up. (53:11) But people will look at him and be like, especially people on the left, they’re kind of in this (53:15) like oppressor versus oppressed mindset that if they did something, then well, they have (53:21) all this money.(53:22) That means they must have exploited somebody else. (53:25) And if you’re looking at it through reality, you realize that they did that and it actually (53:31) made everyone better. (53:32) Even if, yes, there’s a big differential between Steve Jobs’ wealth when he was alive and everyone (53:38) else, right? (53:39) But it’s not necessarily a bad thing.(53:44) But there are times when we ignore companies exploiting others when they actually do it. (53:50) Yes, there is exploitation. (53:52) That’s a crony capitalism issue, not a capitalism the way we look at free markets, right? (53:56) So we’re talking, you know, the way we’re talking from a philosophical standpoint, that’s (54:02) not an issue because we wouldn’t have the crony capitalism the way it is now to be a (54:07) problem.(54:09) Anyway, any other thoughts on that, guys? (54:12) Do you want me to play this other Jordan Peterson clip real quick? (54:15) I would say this. (54:16) Yeah, go ahead, Sean. (54:18) Build yourself a community with some like-minded people to where like conversations like this (54:26) are irrelevant.(54:29) If that makes any sense at all. (54:32) Yeah, make the job that we want to do useless. (54:35) Thanks, Sean.(54:36) No, but I mean, and maybe do it so other people from the outside world listen or something. (54:43) But like, no, like conversations like this, you know, if you’re in a like-minded community (54:49) where you’re building things up, man, you don’t got to worry about any of this stuff, (54:53) man. (54:53) You’ve nullified stuff from the state and you’re doing your thing and you’re living (54:57) your life and you’re making your money and your money’s yours, your property’s yours.(55:02) Dude, what else could you ask for? (55:05) Yeah, I’d rather sit on the porch and listen to Zach’s awesome stories growing up selling (55:11) weed or something. (55:13) And slaves. (55:15) It was pills.(55:17) Oh, pills. (55:17) Okay. (55:18) I smoked the weed.(55:20) I don’t want to put words in your mouth. (55:24) I don’t know if I ever got to my point. (55:26) I think what I was trying to say is we take shortcuts because there are leaders that do (55:31) things that we want.(55:33) And so we’re just like, oh, that thing already exists. (55:35) Okay, I’m just going to fall in line here. (55:37) And that’s just a very natural thing.(55:40) But when people take advantage of it, that’s when it becomes a problem. (55:43) So people know that humans are susceptible to that and then they take advantage. (55:49) That’s what I was trying to say.(55:50) There’s some of that, but there’s also a genetic factor, too. (55:53) What was it? (55:54) Something about if the father of these two twins that were orphaned became criminals (56:02) regardless of the household they were raised in or something. (56:05) It’s like a 58% genetic, even more than cultural.(56:09) So it is a little more natural than nature. (56:13) But then again, you’ve got these other factors that come into play, for sure. (56:19) But Adam Carolla is a great example, Andrew, because if people didn’t know this, (56:24) Adam Carolla’s mom was on welfare and she just sat on a couch and didn’t do shit.(56:30) And he was like, I don’t want to live. (56:31) What kind of life is that? (56:33) So he had something internal that he could have culturally just accepted the life (56:38) that was handed to him, just a continuation of the welfare, I guess. (56:41) But he saw something different in his ability to not be part of that.(56:49) Before we jump into the next Peterson clip, though, I’ve got a question for you all. (56:57) Who do you think in your own lives is the best example of somebody that you strive to be better than? (57:06) Oh, man. (57:07) Zach Geyser, definitely.(57:13) I’m just kidding, man. (57:15) I don’t know. (57:16) I love it.(57:19) I like to think of it as myself every day because I can’t compare myself to anyone else (57:28) because I don’t have their strengths and their weaknesses the same way. (57:33) They’re different, right? (57:34) So I think I can only compare myself to me 10 minutes ago, a half hour ago. (57:39) And it’s funny because the more we’ve done podcasts like this, we talk about people walking by and ignoring others.(57:45) What was it, the one we did something about a bystander? (57:47) We did the bystander effect. (57:49) I was walking into Costco and there was a guy kneeling down, looked in pain. (57:55) And I was going to ignore the guy.(57:57) But something popped in my head because we had talked about the bystander effect. (58:00) I looked at him and I go, hey, are you all right? (58:02) The guy’s like, oh, I’m good, man. Thanks.(58:04) But it’s kind of that kind of stuff. (58:06) We got these messages to just kind of keep these ideas in the ether. (58:11) Because I think, Sean, I think you’re right.(58:13) I think it sucks that we have to talk about these things all the time. (58:15) But maybe that we stop talking about them and assume that they would stay that way is how they atrophied in the first place and got to this point where we have to kind of reel it back in. (58:28) I mean, it’s hard to tell.(58:30) The world’s crazy right now. (58:31) So it’s like it’s it’s just too hard to tell. (58:35) Everybody everybody has their own thing.(58:38) You know what I mean? (58:39) So like when you say it’s hard to like outdo yourself or whatever, you know, or who are you trying to outdo? (58:48) I’m the same way. (58:49) I’m like, I’m trying to outdo myself every day because I’m me. (58:53) I can’t be somebody else.(58:54) I’m not at their level. (58:55) I’m at my level. (58:57) So, like, I need to outdo what I’ve done the day before and the day before and the day before and so on and so on, you know, because I can’t I can’t get on your level.(59:09) Are you level or your level or your level? (59:11) I can’t because I don’t know your level. (59:15) You know, we’re all homies and stuff on and whatever. (59:18) But, like, even if we were like super close neighbors or whatever, I still don’t know your level because I’m not you.(59:26) So, yes, I’m not doing somebody. (59:28) You can only do yourself. (59:30) And that should be your goal, man.(59:32) Like, OK, today sucked. (59:34) I’m going to do better this day. (59:36) Yeah, I mean.(59:38) Yeah, 100 percent. (59:41) And I think our formative. (59:44) Sorry.(59:46) Go ahead, Andrew. (59:46) You’re first. (59:47) I say I think our formative years are really will guide us.(59:52) And I was talking about this the other day with Zach. (59:54) It’s called a foundational myth. (59:55) Right.And our experiences will motivate us to to behave in certain ways and try to overcome, you know, whatever it is that we struggle with. (1:00:07) And that that will guide us for the rest of our life. (1:00:10) But, yeah, I think that’s a big part of what you guys are talking about is I am my own person.(1:00:19) But I’m not equal to my myself last week as I am to yesterday or next week. (1:00:25) It’s time to strive for the best. (1:00:27) Yeah, it’s a very Jordan Peterson answer.(1:00:30) Yeah, I like it. (1:00:33) No shade. (1:00:34) That’s good.(1:00:34) You’re going to make me get a point. (1:00:36) Oh, cool. (1:00:37) I mean, I’ll I’ll just go ahead and answer the question.(1:00:40) I strive to be better than my dad because I know I can do better than my dad. (1:00:47) Do we all have that? (1:00:48) Yeah, but I I understand where y’all are coming from, too, because it really is. (1:00:54) You need to be better than yourself because you’re always learning from your past mistakes.(1:01:02) Speaking of the dad thing, I would agree that my dad is like the most amazing man in the entire world. (1:01:08) But I would not want to be like him as a parent. (1:01:12) And it’s not that he was bad.(1:01:14) He just wasn’t what I felt I needed. (1:01:17) Right. (1:01:18) So that’s just how it was.(1:01:20) But that’s not that is not an indictment on him. (1:01:22) And what did we what did you expect him to do? (1:01:24) You have a book. (1:01:25) Great guy.(1:01:26) It was my mom. (1:01:27) He’s 85. (1:01:28) He’s going to be 85 this year.(1:01:29) How awesome. (1:01:30) I love it. (1:01:31) Dude, dude.(1:01:32) Fucking amazing. (1:01:33) He’s a great guy. (1:01:34) Dude, let me let me say this, Thomas.(1:01:36) So quote, because Andrew was just talking about it. (1:01:39) No one is equal to anything. (1:01:42) Even the same man is not equal to himself on different days.(1:01:46) That is my favorite Thomas. (1:01:48) So quote ever. (1:01:51) Because a really good one.(1:01:52) Yeah. (1:01:54) Had nothing to do with econ either, which is crazy. (1:01:57) And that’s interesting.(1:01:58) He’s like and that’s kind of like the only thing is we can set these set of (1:02:02) hierarchical principles, right? (1:02:05) Non-aggression, all this stuff, and then try our best to live by all those (1:02:08) things all the time. (1:02:10) And the human part of us slips. (1:02:12) And that’s all we can expect is we’re going to have an off day here.(1:02:15) And then you know what? (1:02:17) We got to give ourselves some grace. (1:02:18) Get back on the horse. (1:02:20) Right.(1:02:24) All right. (1:02:24) Let me share this last little Peterson. (1:02:26) It’s a real short one, but it’ll be just a little bit more about hierarchies.(1:02:29) Wait, one more thing before you get that on the theme of Zach’s question. (1:02:34) I wonder if you guys had a similar thing. (1:02:38) Like, did you ever did you see a podcast host? (1:02:42) Like somebody kind of successful and you’re like, I could do that.(1:02:46) Did you guys have that moment that kind of got you into doing it? (1:02:51) I mean, Dave Smith. (1:02:54) Dave Smith. (1:02:55) He’s Robbie the fire.(1:02:57) We’re trying to emulate him. (1:02:58) I am the Libertarian Tupac, man. (1:03:03) Well, I always thought of myself as a part of the audience.(1:03:06) Right. (1:03:06) So anything that I learned from like Stefan Molyneux, for example, just pass (1:03:12) along to other people. (1:03:13) That’s that’s that’s my whole motivation is to disseminate the information (1:03:18) whenever I can.(1:03:21) You will disseminate among nations. (1:03:26) I went to one of the best broadcasting schools in the nation. (1:03:30) So this was kind of like something I wanted to do.(1:03:33) You know, it just that real life didn’t take me there. (1:03:38) It was unfortunate. (1:03:38) But I have a degree in radio broadcast.(1:03:42) School from the Spexhoward School of Broadcast Arts, which is now called the (1:03:47) Spexhoward School of Media Arts because they do graphic design and computer (1:03:52) shit now. (1:03:53) But it was just a TV and radio program for a long time. (1:03:56) And they put out serious people out into the world, whether it comes to, you (1:04:01) know, TV or radio personalities on the news, you know, whatever, you know.(1:04:07) So it was cool. (1:04:08) But like, that’s why I got into it. (1:04:12) You know, I wanted to be a rock star and the rock star thing didn’t work out.(1:04:15) So I said I’d be a rock jock. (1:04:17) But here I am talking about government shit. (1:04:19) Fuck’s sake.(1:04:22) I’m actually in the same boat as you, Sean, is like my one of my first (1:04:26) goals growing up was I wanted to get in the radio broadcasting. (1:04:30) I wanted to talk sports, though. (1:04:31) But I never I never actually had the discipline to continue on, though.(1:04:37) I just fucked around, found out. (1:04:40) And then I’m working shit jobs. (1:04:42) Right.(1:04:43) But one I started podcasting with another buddy of mine before me and Andrew (1:04:49) decided to start this. (1:04:50) And it was just a little project. (1:04:53) We didn’t go anywhere with it.(1:04:54) But we talked about like paranormal stuff. (1:04:57) And like we always in in one reason is is like I was so enamored with if I (1:05:02) don’t know if you all have listened to a paranormal podcast or campfires with (1:05:08) Jim, his other podcast with Jim Harreld. (1:05:10) Like I wanted to, like, become like the next Art Bell or even the next Jim (1:05:15) Harreld because Jim Harreld was like the king of the podcast, like specifically (1:05:20) in the paranormal genre with podcast.(1:05:22) Of course, Art Bell, you know him from like radio. (1:05:27) So I happened when I had my when I saw like mental health and I had that thing (1:05:34) that happened to me. (1:05:35) Mm hmm.(1:05:36) I literally it just like it hit me like a fucking two by four. (1:05:39) I’m like, I got to do I got to do something with some kind of messaging. (1:05:44) And Rogan was there at the time.(1:05:45) But that was this is 2014 15. (1:05:49) This is when they’re nobody’s. (1:05:50) And the Jordan Petersons are being attacked.(1:05:53) You know, I mean, these guys are like Brett Weinstein’s and the, you know, (1:05:57) the Erics, they’re smart and the atheists, you know, the horsemen of the (1:06:01) apocalypse, like Sam Harris didn’t have Trump arrangement syndrome yet. (1:06:05) And they didn’t sound like morons. (1:06:06) Yeah.(1:06:06) Like, it’s funny how like each one of them slowly over time have lost have (1:06:11) lost kind of grace. (1:06:12) You know what I mean? (1:06:13) Like Sam Harris, clearly Richard Dawkins, clear imperialist. (1:06:17) And then you look at like Hitch.(1:06:18) I still love, but he passed, but he was like pro Iraq war. (1:06:22) But he was like, well, we’re there anyway. (1:06:23) So we might as well destroy them all.(1:06:25) Like he was just something with his religious stuff. (1:06:28) Then it was the only one who did it. (1:06:30) But I would listen to all those podcasts.(1:06:32) And what I would find myself is asking all the questions before they would (1:06:35) ask a question. (1:06:37) So, like, I found myself the curious in the same way. (1:06:41) So I always found the way to ask questions.(1:06:44) I would generally send people like have that little dissonance to make them (1:06:47) actually think about the answer. (1:06:49) And it’s always those things that I always found is I want to know the (1:06:52) questions that no one, I don’t want to hear. (1:06:54) How did you grow? (1:06:55) Like, how did you grow up for me to be? (1:06:57) It’s like, no, tell me how you got there or what you did there, you know, (1:07:01) and try to get different angles.(1:07:04) And we should stop paranormal, by the way. (1:07:07) I’m happy. (1:07:09) I actually have a good buddy of mine who’s a paranormal investigator.(1:07:13) And I had done podcasts with him every year during Halloween time. (1:07:17) When I did my show, it was awesome. (1:07:20) I met a guy named Remzo Martinez.(1:07:22) I think I can use his name, but he was a ghost hunter at one point. (1:07:24) He was actually at Freedom Fest last year. (1:07:26) So hopefully he’ll be there again.(1:07:28) But he was a really interesting guy. (1:07:30) And he said he did, like, he would go to house hunting stuff. (1:07:33) He’d actually did the equipment, took it all out and everything.(1:07:36) It was like, all right. (1:07:39) I need to get out my old recorder and recharge it, (1:07:41) see if I can find where me and Andrew, (1:07:44) we were at a little schoolhouse in the Smokies. (1:07:48) And we captured some things.(1:07:50) I don’t know if we got any actual dialogue recorded, (1:07:53) but it was pretty wild when the little red recorder light was blinking every time (1:08:01) something, and it would get cooled down. (1:08:03) And then all of a sudden other people started. (1:08:06) We were alone in there.(1:08:07) All of a sudden other tourists showed up and then it stopped. (1:08:11) So we still, to this day, we still think, (1:08:14) we think we came across some school kids, the children of the corn. (1:08:24) All right.(1:08:26) Let me go fire this guy up one more time here. (1:08:29) Anything else before we continue? (1:08:33) Let me do the Gavin. (1:08:34) Let me do the Gavin Newsome.(1:08:35) Anything else before we continue? (1:08:37) A little shoulder roll? (1:08:39) Can we talk about this while we’re talking about stuff? (1:08:42) Have you seen this podcast? (1:08:43) Anyone speak a witch? (1:08:45) Have you seen this Gavin Newsome podcast? (1:08:47) It’s the worst trash I’ve ever seen. (1:08:49) It’s like I’d watch three seconds. (1:08:51) Okay, I’m good.(1:08:52) I have a feeling. (1:08:53) I’m going to play some more Jordan Peterson. (1:08:54) He’s a god, what a good idea.(1:08:57) Most human hierarchies, as I already pointed out, (1:08:59) are hierarchies of competence, not power. (1:09:03) That’s why we don’t live in a patriarchal tyranny. (1:09:06) And so if you want to be a successful man, (1:09:08) then you should be competent.(1:09:09) And that will move you up the hierarchy. (1:09:11) And that will make you attractive, and for good reason, (1:09:14) unless you want an incompetent mate, (1:09:16) which is possible and happens, (1:09:20) but isn’t something that I would recommend. (1:09:22) People will sometimes choose an incompetent mate (1:09:24) because they’re intimidated by competence.(1:09:26) And so they’ll settle for someone who they don’t respect (1:09:29) because they feel that they can master them (1:09:33) and they won’t be intimidated. (1:09:34) But it’s not a recipe for a happy life, I can tell you that. (1:09:41) So what are your thoughts on that? (1:09:43) When we see people who are competent, (1:09:47) those are the people I’ve generally looked up to.(1:09:49) It’s like, wow, that person does X really well. (1:09:53) We just talked about it. (1:09:54) Who did you look up to to do this podcasting thing? (1:09:58) So what are your thoughts on that? (1:10:00) It’s kind of a perfect segue that you mentioned that.(1:10:03) Well, I think it really depends on the case-by-case basis. (1:10:07) Like somebody who’s a revolving door, right? (1:10:09) There is always a crisis day in, day out. (1:10:12) Maybe you don’t want somebody who’s interested in asserting authority.(1:10:17) Maybe you just want the stability and the peace (1:10:18) of not having that conflict and that revolving door mentality. (1:10:27) Yeah, I have some thoughts. (1:10:29) I think he’s a little bit right and also a little bit wrong.(1:10:33) I think competence is an indicator for leadership. (1:10:36) That should be what is. (1:10:39) But here’s where I can sympathize with the left a little bit (1:10:43) is that people find ways to cheat the system.(1:10:47) People find ways to fake their leadership competence (1:10:50) because leadership is not just one thing. (1:10:53) So you can be a really good speaker and be full of shit, (1:10:56) like look at a lot of politicians. (1:10:58) Obama.(1:10:59) Yeah, Obama, great speaker. (1:11:02) No substance, right? (1:11:04) He says what people want to hear. (1:11:06) He sounds good saying it.(1:11:08) He looks good saying it. (1:11:10) But do you guys want him as a leader? (1:11:12) I don’t. (1:11:13) Well, to be fair here, that’s when the teleprompter is going.(1:11:17) Once the teleprompter stops, he’s kind of a bumbling idiot. (1:11:23) I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him. (1:11:24) It’s funny.(1:11:24) I bet it’s like reverse with Kamala. (1:11:26) I bet you behind the scenes, she’s all like totally warm (1:11:29) and cool and shit to hang out with. (1:11:31) And you put her in front of the camera (1:11:33) and she just literally becomes a fucking piece of shit robot.(1:11:36) That would be hilarious. (1:11:37) Probably won’t stay hammered. (1:11:39) That’d be like, yeah, let’s go do some shots, girl.(1:11:41) Let’s go. (1:11:42) Yeah. (1:11:43) I’m telling Mrs. Buds.(1:11:46) She’d do shots, too. (1:11:47) But hijacking companies are great. (1:11:50) If she’s going to join, never mind then.(1:11:52) That’s good. (1:11:55) Hijacking Bitcoin, hijacking companies. (1:11:58) Nepotism is kind of an example of that, right? (1:12:00) Where it’s like family business and the son is some entitled prick (1:12:05) who didn’t do shit.(1:12:06) And he’s like the stupidest idiot. (1:12:08) And you’re like, how did you get your dad’s business worth (1:12:11) multimillion dollars? (1:12:12) You can’t even flush it. (1:12:13) Yeah, there’s another way to get in, right? (1:12:15) Without earning it, without merit.(1:12:20) Right. (1:12:20) But one would argue like the merit was earned at some point, right? (1:12:23) It was just passed down in a different way as an asset, I guess. (1:12:29) It’s merit.(1:12:31) Yeah. (1:12:33) What’d you say, Zach? (1:12:34) Oh, I said I think y’all just described Donald Trump. (1:12:37) He didn’t really earn it.(1:12:39) It’s all daddy’s money, which is to compare and contrast, actually. (1:12:46) Let’s compare and contrast Vince McMahon to Donald Trump. (1:12:50) What is the difference between Vince McMahon and Donald Trump? (1:12:55) Because both of them effectively inherit.(1:12:57) His dad made him buy WWF. (1:13:01) No, he didn’t make him buy it. (1:13:02) He didn’t prove that he could manage the responsibility.(1:13:07) And then he bought it for some money. (1:13:10) I thought he did actually sell it to him for a dollar amount. (1:13:13) Is that not true? (1:13:14) No, he did sell it to him.(1:13:15) Oh, he did. (1:13:16) He did. (1:13:16) Oh, okay.(1:13:17) Because I thought that was part of it, too. (1:13:19) But remember, he was an announcer for all that time. (1:13:24) Vince McMahon, the son of the owner, was doing shit work.(1:13:28) He was doing the grunt work. (1:13:30) It’s not like that dude wasn’t working every day. (1:13:33) He was putting.(1:13:34) Right. (1:13:35) He was hustling. (1:13:36) That dude was competent.(1:13:39) I don’t want to say a Paris Hilton. (1:13:43) But maybe a Paris Hilton compared to Dada Hilton, who built the whole empire. (1:13:49) It’s not like she was making it a bigger empire.(1:13:52) Paris made sure she got her own name up there. (1:13:57) But she got it from a fame thing, not through being a Hilton. (1:14:00) She didn’t get it.(1:14:01) It’s not like she earned the name. (1:14:06) I have no love for Paris Hilton. (1:14:08) But what I’ve heard is she actually has done really well to learn the business and actually make it something good.(1:14:14) That’s what I’ve heard, too. (1:14:16) I totally believe that, too. (1:14:18) And I think a lot of people are underestimating business models.(1:14:21) I mean, look at the Kardashians. (1:14:23) Off a television show, you’re able to make what people are worth. (1:14:27) Actually, three commas.(1:14:28) What’s she worth? (1:14:29) A billion, right? (1:14:29) Kylie or something. (1:14:30) You’re like, whoa, this is unbelievable. (1:14:33) So, yeah.(1:14:34) And that’s like an it factor, too. (1:14:36) Isn’t leadership part of that having an it factor? (1:14:40) Well, let’s see. (1:14:41) Let’s go.(1:14:42) Let’s go down the list. (1:14:44) I’m sorry. (1:14:44) Answer if you want to go.(1:14:47) OK, well, I’ll answer real quick. (1:14:48) But then I got to get out of here. (1:14:51) Let’s say, draw a comparison between Vince McMahon and Donald Trump.(1:14:55) One has no impulse control and one has no impulse control. (1:14:58) But at the same time, he prioritizes trying to be motivated to control those impulses. (1:15:08) So, that’s something you can consider.(1:15:14) It’s a ranking, right? (1:15:15) Ordinal ranking, as they say in economics. (1:15:19) It’s what you prioritize most in order to get ahead. (1:15:25) Vince McMahon, he did all the work because he knows how hard it was.(1:15:31) Because he was in a trailer for so many years. (1:15:34) And then he got an opportunity from Vince Sr. (1:15:37) Donald Trump never had that hard work because his dad was rich and he was in the city. (1:15:44) And I’m not saying I wasn’t there when he was growing up.(1:15:47) But you can tell there was contrasting environments. (1:15:51) It was a different phase of life. (1:15:54) He might have had to do what Donald Trump did to Donald Trump Jr. (1:15:59) And made him clean and assist around.(1:16:02) But it’s not the same. (1:16:04) So, it really depends on how you function as a person and the environment that you were brought up in. (1:16:14) The foundational myth of your existence and where you came from.(1:16:18) And nobody’s saying that Donald Trump didn’t put in work. (1:16:22) But it certainly wasn’t to the level that he himself would probably claim. (1:16:27) Definitely not what Vince did.(1:16:29) But let’s go down the list. (1:16:33) One thing I did. (1:16:34) Thanks for coming, Andrew.Are you taking off, bud? (1:16:36) Yeah, I got to get out of here. (1:16:39) Thanks for having me on. (1:16:41) Welcome to the friends, man.(1:16:43) Hey, how’s it going? Sign off, bud. (1:16:46) Sign off. (1:16:47) We’re kind of retarded here.(1:16:50) We are kind of retarded. (1:16:51) Have a good night. (1:16:52) I’ll see you tomorrow.(1:16:54) Bye. (1:16:56) I got to think about boogieing soon, too, man. (1:16:59) I got to get up early.(1:17:00) No worries, man. (1:17:01) Anytime you got to go. (1:17:03) I’m following you, Zach.What’s up, man? (1:17:05) You got a question? (1:17:06) Yeah, from the podcast. (1:17:10) And it was more on the Christian ask. (1:17:11) But they came up with a list of what leadership traits are.(1:17:16) And I kind of agree with them to a certain extent. (1:17:19) You could pass it around. (1:17:22) You could add other pieces to it.(1:17:24) But leadership traits that should be looked into, especially for one that wants to be like a good husband. (1:17:32) Or a good father. (1:17:34) Or some sort of role model or mentor on that level.(1:17:38) Assertiveness. (1:17:40) The ability to listen. (1:17:44) Having vision with your own life.(1:17:47) And being able to have an imagination on a set goal. (1:17:54) And striving for it. (1:17:55) Humility.(1:17:57) Being humble. (1:17:58) Optimism. (1:17:59) Just to promote yourself more positive.(1:18:03) Integrity. (1:18:04) Understanding the idea of what it means to do the right thing. (1:18:09) And then one thing that they added on this list was godliness.(1:18:15) Or just the ability to be good, kind, respectable. (1:18:21) What can you do to make people respect you? (1:18:26) So what do you guys think of that list? (1:18:29) Is godliness like an aspect of humility? (1:18:32) Because it’s kind of like saying there’s someone up above me that is better. (1:18:36) That I look up to.(1:18:37) I strive to this perfect ideal that may not exist within humanity. (1:18:44) But that’s what I’m comparing myself to. (1:18:47) And that’s a position of humility, I think.(1:18:51) I would say so. (1:18:52) Or is there more to it? (1:18:54) I mean, I would actually agree to that. (1:19:00) Because it shows that you’re much smaller than you perceive yourself in a more immature mind.(1:19:10) So it’s to be mature. (1:19:12) And understand that you’re less than what I guess the world tells you pretty much. (1:19:20) It’s in this fast-paced, influential, expanded, cultural, decadent world of ours.(1:19:32) Nothing wrong with a little decadence. (1:19:34) Nothing wrong with a little decadence. (1:19:36) But then there’s narcissism that goes a little too far because of that decadence.(1:19:41) And you think that you’re untouchable. (1:19:44) And I think that’s one thing that we’re missing is the vulnerability aspect. (1:19:48) You’ve got to understand we’re all vulnerable.(1:19:51) How many are on that list, Zach? (1:19:53) We can go down each one real quick and just kind of touch up on each one. (1:19:56) We’ve got assertiveness, listening, humility. (1:20:00) Let’s just go with that.(1:20:01) So assertiveness, guys. (1:20:02) We would agree that taking a stance and not being wishy-washy and being like, (1:20:07) Okay, we need to go. (1:20:08) We need to move and go in that direction.(1:20:10) How many times are we told, like, I don’t know what to do. (1:20:13) I swear to God, it was two years before I actually did the podcast. (1:20:17) But I built all this framework.(1:20:18) I built all this stuff. (1:20:19) I hemmed and hawed. (1:20:21) I bought all the equipment.(1:20:21) Talked about it forever. (1:20:23) And it’s like, just do. (1:20:25) Just do it.(1:20:26) Just have the assertiveness. (1:20:28) Any other thoughts on that? (1:20:30) I was the exact opposite. (1:20:32) I just started using mix.(1:20:35) Right. (1:20:37) But you’re way more assertive than I am. (1:20:40) Well, you kind of have a bias toward action, right? (1:20:42) You’re taking action that’s a little different than assertive, I think.(1:20:46) Okay. (1:20:47) All right. (1:20:48) Assertive is more like I’m comfortable to push my point of view, my ideas.(1:20:54) To be expressive with who you are and what you think? (1:20:58) Yeah. (1:20:58) That’s actually a good point. (1:21:00) Okay.(1:21:00) Yeah. (1:21:01) What’s the next one, Zach? (1:21:03) How about listening? (1:21:05) Having the ability to listen. (1:21:09) Why would that be important? (1:21:13) That’s hard for, like, most people.(1:21:15) Most everyone. (1:21:19) Can I say something? (1:21:20) Yeah, I’m a good listener. (1:21:21) No, you’re not.(1:21:22) When I started this, I thought I was a good listener. (1:21:27) I realized I am not. (1:21:29) And also being married has helped me realize that.(1:21:34) I’ve been pretty quiet most of my life. (1:21:37) But that does not necessarily mean you are listening. (1:21:40) So that’s a difference.(1:21:44) What does it mean to be a good listener, then? (1:21:47) What should we do in order to show that we are listening? (1:21:51) You actually have to listen. (1:21:53) Sorry, what did you say? (1:21:58) Exactly. (1:21:59) Exactly.(1:22:00) We made both our points just that easily. (1:22:03) Exactly. (1:22:05) But that actually, to Jace’s point, I know it was a joke, (1:22:09) but asking questions really showing that at least you’re attentive.(1:22:16) You are muted. (1:22:19) Thank you. (1:22:20) There it is.(1:22:22) And I just didn’t want to talk too much. (1:22:23) Thank goodness. (1:22:25) No, it’s not just the question, but it’s repeating what they told you to.(1:22:29) It’s like, oh, so you’re telling me, so you’re saying X. (1:22:33) Okay, off of that, what do you think? (1:22:35) You know what I mean? (1:22:36) So a lot of people, you can just ask your questions. (1:22:39) I know some guy who has a podcast, (1:22:42) and they just want to talk to this type of person, (1:22:45) but they have their questions all planned out. (1:22:47) It’s like, how do you get to know somebody when you have the question? (1:22:52) I know you want to try to play off it, but if you just stick to that, (1:22:56) you’re not going to get deep.(1:22:57) You’ve got to be very fluid. (1:22:59) And somebody will tell you something. (1:23:01) Jason made a good example.(1:23:02) I think I said something with Jacob and Sean were on a podcast, (1:23:05) and I said something about I had an experience. (1:23:07) And Jason in his head is like, what was the experience? (1:23:10) But Jacob and Sean didn’t mention it. (1:23:13) In Jason’s head, he’s like, what was the experience? (1:23:16) I can totally see myself doing the same thing.(1:23:19) So it’s kind of funny. (1:23:19) Yeah, and I’m not good at that. (1:23:22) I’m getting better, I think.(1:23:23) But to start out, I had everything, (1:23:25) like every single question planned out for an interview, (1:23:27) and I was very much in my head thinking, like, (1:23:30) just what am I going to say next? (1:23:31) What am I going to say next? (1:23:32) And not listening to what they said at all. (1:23:35) And I still get caught up in that a little bit. (1:23:37) But, yeah, it’s very easy to do.(1:23:42) It’s hard when you plan. (1:23:44) And to your compliment, like you said, (1:23:45) you’re 37 of these podcasts in that you’ve mentioned. (1:23:49) And there’s a marked improvement between podcasts 1, 2, 8, 10, 15, (1:23:55) 23, and the 40th one, right? (1:23:58) So you can see the difference.(1:24:00) And you see it. (1:24:00) Even the Andrew Heumann’s a great example, (1:24:02) where you really paid attention to the moment that was being shared. (1:24:07) And that’s sometimes hard, (1:24:09) because you’re so focused on what you want to ask.(1:24:12) Absolutely. (1:24:13) Yeah. (1:24:15) Anything else we got, gentlemen, (1:24:17) for the thing we want to go to the banality of evil (1:24:20) and how that shit happened with COVID? (1:24:23) Because there was no fucking leadership outside of those tyrannical bastards (1:24:28) telling us what to do.(1:24:30) Oh, my God. (1:24:30) I wish I had time to get into all that. (1:24:33) But I really got a boogie, man.(1:24:34) I got a freaking boogie. (1:24:36) You got a boogie, man. (1:24:37) Yeah, I got a boogie.(1:24:39) Thanks for having me on. (1:24:40) Love you, brother. (1:24:41) Yeah, we got in a month.(1:24:42) So we’ll let you know. (1:24:43) We’ll keep you posted. (1:24:44) I’ll send you smoke signals.(1:24:45) Be good, fellas. (1:24:47) I’ll send you a telegraph. (1:24:48) I’ll get the Western Union.(1:24:50) Word. (1:24:52) Bye, brother. (1:24:54) Take care, man.(1:24:56) Thanks, brother. (1:24:57) All right. (1:24:58) Anyway, good, guys.(1:25:00) Well, on that topic, (1:25:01) tyranny is not leadership. (1:25:03) That’s a key distinction to make. (1:25:05) Bossing people around is not being a leader.(1:25:10) I don’t know if you guys work in management at all. (1:25:13) If you have employees or anything. (1:25:17) If you just try to tell people what to do without any other listening, for one, (1:25:24) any other context, (1:25:26) any of those other features of leadership that you talked about, (1:25:30) it’s not going to go well.(1:25:33) I’ll tell you, I was a supervisor one time in my life. (1:25:39) And I hated it. (1:25:40) And one day, I wanted to just ring some of the employees that I worked with.(1:25:48) And then the next day, I was actually able to work with one of them. (1:25:52) And we were able to set a schedule so nobody bits and moans. (1:25:57) A rotation schedule because it was security.(1:26:00) So we’re not at the same post every day. (1:26:03) Oh, God, coming in and hearing one of the guys whining (1:26:07) because I’m going to be at the main entrance again. (1:26:13) Shut up, dude.(1:26:14) You’re sitting on your ass playing on your phone. (1:26:17) Give it a break. (1:26:19) The management is tough with a hierarchy.(1:26:21) And I’ll be honest. (1:26:22) I always took jobs that didn’t really have a hierarchy to them. (1:26:28) I did a sales job.(1:26:29) I had metrics to meet. (1:26:30) If I didn’t meet those metrics, that’s why I didn’t get my job. (1:26:33) I could be the biggest total asshole as long as I did the stuff I needed to do, right, (1:26:37) in sales, for example.(1:26:39) But I never took a management position because I am very certain of my shortcomings (1:26:46) as a quote-unquote leader. (1:26:49) I fear that I would be semi-tyrannical in a bossy, not listening sense as much. (1:26:55) As much as I’d want to care, I’d either be too soft or too hard.(1:26:58) And neither of those work. (1:27:01) That’s what she said. (1:27:03) That is what she said.(1:27:05) Speaking of metrics, that’s the reason why I’m making sure I’m getting this license (1:27:09) at the end of the month. (1:27:11) Yeah, buddy. (1:27:12) Speaking of metrics and not having to deal with bullshit and work with yourself, (1:27:17) you’re on your own.(1:27:18) Yeah, you’re supervised. (1:27:19) Yeah, you might have some people you can lean to. (1:27:23) Realtors are so solo, bro.(1:27:25) You’re going to love it. (1:27:26) You’re going to love it. (1:27:26) Yeah.(1:27:28) And I just want to do it. (1:27:30) I just want to get set up and then do it towards the summer and the fall (1:27:35) and then just walk away because the bubble’s about to pop next year anyways. (1:27:41) Yeah, man.(1:27:42) It is. (1:27:43) You’re going to buy it. (1:27:44) Sell about four houses and maybe a commercial building and then walk away.(1:27:49) That ain’t happening in that short a time. (1:27:52) No. (1:27:53) They’ll lower interest rates.(1:27:54) The bubble will keep inflating. (1:27:57) Probably. (1:28:01) Do we want to get there? (1:28:02) Do we want to go there? (1:28:03) See how bad it’s going to get? (1:28:04) I mean, I don’t even know.(1:28:06) I can’t imagine. (1:28:09) It’s like the fix is going to create a problem, but it’s necessary. (1:28:16) There’s a correction that’s necessary, right? (1:28:19) Do we want to live through it again or do we want to wait until it’s worse next time? (1:28:22) Kick it down the road.(1:28:23) Let our kids deal with it. (1:28:25) They’re becoming shorter and shorter and they’re becoming harsher and harsher. (1:28:29) 2008 was the last one? (1:28:31) Or what was the last one you’d say? (1:28:33) 15? (1:28:33) Was there a 14, 15? (1:28:35) Probably about 15.(1:28:36) What was it? (1:28:37) The housing market? (1:28:39) Yeah. (1:28:40) It was 7, 8 and then another eight years and then 10 years. (1:28:44) Yeah.(1:28:45) It seems like we’re on that decade or close to a decade. (1:28:49) The housing market has to correct in some capacity. (1:28:52) But they save it.(1:28:54) They save it in their own fake way. (1:28:58) But speaking of leadership. (1:29:02) Speaking of leadership, though, and the economic policy.(1:29:08) What are your thoughts on what Trump is doing with the tariffs and the stable coin ordeal and crypto? (1:29:17) Is this a way for him to depreciate the dollar and use inflation to the advantage of just devaluing the dollar to the point where we can actually inflate ourselves out of the debt and start over? (1:29:43) Give me a second, guys. (1:29:45) Hold on. (1:29:52) Donald Trump.(1:29:54) Who was it? (1:29:55) Let me talk to you. (1:29:58) Got to get on there, Jason. (1:30:00) Now, Jason, you got to stop talking like that.(1:30:03) You don’t give up the beans. (1:30:05) Don’t tell them what they got to say because you got to learn what’s going on. (1:30:10) And how about that shit that happened? (1:30:11) Well, well, I mean, while Jason’s gone, he can chime in, too.(1:30:14) What about the shit that went in for wars? (1:30:17) What the fuck? (1:30:19) Dude gets fucking gunned down. (1:30:21) And now that could have just been something. (1:30:23) But I don’t know.(1:30:25) Seems odd. (1:30:25) It could have been. (1:30:26) It is a little odd.(1:30:28) But then they swatted another dude the next day. (1:30:31) Another dude gets swatted from Infowars. (1:30:33) I think the narrative on X right now is it’s all Ukraine.(1:30:37) I honestly think it’s Israel. (1:30:40) But I have ideas. (1:30:42) What’s Alex been talking to? (1:30:43) He’s been on Trump, though, and Trump’s been on Israel.(1:30:45) So I don’t know why. (1:30:47) I don’t know how they could really hold it. (1:30:49) Are they is he talking anti-Israel? (1:30:52) I feel like I don’t think he is.(1:30:55) I think I think I. (1:30:58) Jason, do you know if Alex Jones is talking anti-Israel or not? (1:31:01) I feel like he’s not. (1:31:03) I don’t think he is. (1:31:04) I don’t know about it.(1:31:06) Right. (1:31:06) So I don’t think the Infowars that Israel would be gunned down. (1:31:09) I totally see Ukraine doing it.(1:31:11) I totally can believe that. (1:31:12) Are you talking about that guy that got swatted? (1:31:14) Yeah, well, swatted. (1:31:16) And the other guy got shot the night before, killed the night before.(1:31:18) Yeah. (1:31:19) Yeah. (1:31:20) Yeah.(1:31:20) We’re just talking about it because, you know, we were doing Alex Jones. (1:31:25) I don’t know. (1:31:26) But man, I feel like that would be right in his wheelhouse talking about that (1:31:30) shit.(1:31:31) Well, that’s the thing is, is he’s so with Trump. (1:31:34) Like, can we can we all be honest? (1:31:37) We are all. (1:31:37) But I don’t even think he’s like in lockstep with Trump either.(1:31:44) He keeps saying great American. (1:31:45) I don’t. (1:31:46) Man, I don’t know anymore.(1:31:48) And I thought Alex Jones would have been more like remember when he spoke (1:31:51) against George Bush, like when Joe Rogan talked about when he first met him, (1:31:55) it was like an H. (1:31:56) It was a W. (1:31:56) Bush rally or something where he’s wearing like a George W. (1:31:59) Bush mask or something or a Clinton mask. (1:32:02) It’s like that’s the guy who we didn’t know. (1:32:04) We saw him as the far right wing crazy conspiracy guy in Sandy Hook.(1:32:10) And it’s just great. (1:32:12) Yeah. (1:32:12) So any any thoughts on that, Jason? (1:32:13) What happened with the Infowars guys? (1:32:16) It’s very suspicious.(1:32:18) I don’t know that much about it. (1:32:19) It’s just like, yeah, I saw some guy got killed, like right after he was (1:32:23) talking about something related to government bullshit. (1:32:28) I don’t even remember what it was.(1:32:29) What was the the topic? (1:32:33) I don’t remember what the topic was that he said. (1:32:34) I don’t know. (1:32:35) Yeah.(1:32:36) Infowars like late one night and then he just got shot and then the other (1:32:39) guy got swatted. (1:32:40) So I don’t even know. (1:32:41) I have to find it.(1:32:42) But yeah, it was something like he just reported on such and such thing. (1:32:46) And then all of a sudden, boom, dead. (1:32:49) Not good.(1:32:50) It might have been Waco as well. (1:32:52) Those ATF. (1:32:53) Yeah.(1:32:54) That’s what it was. (1:32:54) It was Waco. (1:32:55) Fuck with the ATF, man.(1:32:57) Don’t fuck with the ATF. (1:33:00) They got they got the alcohol and the tobacco. (1:33:03) Yeah.(1:33:04) Dangerous. (1:33:04) Dangerous combination. (1:33:07) Yeah.(1:33:08) And the firearms and explosives. (1:33:13) So any other. (1:33:14) But what was your guys’ thoughts on the economic policy of Trump? (1:33:22) Is it is it a reset? (1:33:24) Try to inflate ourselves out.(1:33:26) I think it’s just him trying to get support like he’s talking about. (1:33:31) Oh, people love Bitcoin. (1:33:33) OK, let me say Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Ethereum, whatever.(1:33:37) He’s just like playing to his base and trying to get them to be like, oh, yeah, we love Trump. (1:33:42) He talks about Bitcoin. (1:33:43) We love Bitcoin and Trump talks about it.(1:33:45) So we love Trump. (1:33:46) That’s I think that’s really the extent of it. (1:33:48) And it sounds retarded and it is.(1:33:50) But I think that’s where most people are politically. (1:33:55) He’s a cult of personality. (1:33:58) Yeah.(1:33:58) And we he’s not that he has business savvy. (1:34:03) Like there’s no doubt that Donald Trump has certain instincts that are very spot on and he understands certain things very well. (1:34:11) But some things he does not fucking understand.(1:34:15) He doesn’t understand. (1:34:17) I will. Yeah.(1:34:18) I will give him a little a little bit of sway with the with the tariff thing he has gotten through kind of with like Mexico and Canada because they don’t want to they don’t want to be fucked with. (1:34:32) I mean, like like Honda legitimately like is moving their civic process production over to Indiana at the Honda plant literally like an hour away from me in Greensburg. (1:34:44) So they’re going to so there’s avenues to kind of utilize that tariff policy to say, hey, you you want us to fuck with your production or what’s going on? (1:34:58) Well, Mexico is not going to want to lose Honda.(1:35:02) They’re not going to want to lose that niche of Honda. (1:35:05) I mean, the United States does still have their Honda production, but Mexico is not going to want to lose that. (1:35:11) Right.(1:35:12) But but to the point that you were saying, too, though, is Trump Trump’s dangerous in the way that he’s a populist. (1:35:19) So he’s chasing the shiny metal object. (1:35:22) We we know that terrorists don’t a tariff war doesn’t work for us.(1:35:27) Yeah. (1:35:28) Like we know that as a whole. Right.(1:35:30) So economically, someone got his ear and said terrorists are great. (1:35:35) Terrorists are good. (1:35:35) And there were some of that voted for him.(1:35:37) Right. So he’s like terrorists are good. (1:35:38) That I mean, look, have you heard anything about JFK files again? (1:35:42) I mean, Epstein already went away and he was talking about that.(1:35:47) They really just they came out with some freaking binders and they were like, we got the files. (1:35:54) And it was this year. (1:35:56) Yeah.They redacted the shit. (1:35:58) That was. Yeah.(1:35:59) It was just the same. (1:36:01) Other to cat tart and shit. (1:36:04) Fucking douchebag.(1:36:05) Fucking cat tart. (1:36:09) I don’t know how I got blocked by fucking guy, but I’m kind of proud of that. (1:36:14) You should be.(1:36:15) All I can say is. (1:36:17) It’s weird. (1:36:18) I didn’t even know.(1:36:19) I was like, I saw something come up and I, I clicked on a profile says cat turd to his block to you. (1:36:24) And I’m like, cool, cool. (1:36:26) Good week.(1:36:28) You win. (1:36:28) No, he hasn’t blocked me yet. (1:36:30) OK.(1:36:31) But no, it’s just it’s odd. (1:36:33) But yeah, to your point is like. (1:36:36) He’s not creating a he’s the deficit isn’t getting smaller.(1:36:42) So government spending is out of fucking control. (1:36:46) He really doesn’t have that much control over that. (1:36:50) Does he now? (1:36:51) Ultimately, since Congress has the power of the purse so he can talk all the economics he wants, he can only make it worse or less worse.(1:37:00) I don’t know if he can actually make shit better with his power, the power that he has. (1:37:05) What are your thoughts on that? (1:37:09) Can he remove embargoes and stuff like from country sanctions or is that a Congress thing? (1:37:19) I don’t know. (1:37:21) I’m curious to like just removing sanctions on everybody.(1:37:23) We just open everything up. (1:37:25) You know? (1:37:26) Yeah, I think he does understand that tariffs are a tool to get other countries to do what they what he wants them to do. (1:37:35) And it’s worked right now.Right. (1:37:37) We can argue that in some. (1:37:39) Oh, well, I was there.(1:37:40) Oh, we lost that. (1:37:41) Yeah. (1:37:42) I’ll wait till he gets back on in some way.(1:37:44) I can’t add him in here. (1:37:49) But in some way. (1:37:50) Yeah.(1:37:51) It’s kind of interesting. (1:37:51) What’s that? (1:37:53) Did he say anything? (1:37:54) No, no. (1:37:54) It’s just awesome.(1:37:55) In the. (1:37:56) Let me see. (1:37:57) He gone.(1:37:59) He go. (1:38:00) Yeah, he just I mean, he just froze up. (1:38:02) But anyway, to your point.(1:38:04) Yeah. (1:38:05) He’s been using them as a tool in his work. (1:38:07) But now now there’s starting to be some weirdy pushback.(1:38:10) So I’m not sure. (1:38:13) Yeah, I was actually going to be. (1:38:15) I got kicked.(1:38:18) Anyway. (1:38:19) So, yeah. (1:38:19) What do you.(1:38:23) It’s just me and you. (1:38:26) Like the populism stuff scares me because we’re seeing it seem really popular. (1:38:30) The Doge thing.(1:38:31) But like, where’s the Doge thing on? (1:38:32) Well, what happened to you? (1:38:34) I’m sorry. (1:38:35) I was just. (1:38:36) What did you.(1:38:37) Did you just watch something? (1:38:38) What? (1:38:38) Whoa. (1:38:40) I don’t know. (1:38:41) I was watching myself.(1:38:42) All right. (1:38:42) I said. (1:38:43) I said, it’s just me and you.(1:38:45) I don’t know if I’m comfortable with this. (1:38:46) And then I tried to make my eyes really big. (1:38:48) I saw it.(1:38:49) I was like. (1:38:50) You’re like blink twice, Jason. (1:38:52) If you if I’m making you stay here.(1:38:56) Okay. (1:38:56) So, since it’s you and I right now till till Zack comes back, we’ve got 63 people on. (1:39:01) Thank you so much for joining us.(1:39:02) We’re talking about leadership hierarchy. (1:39:04) Earlier, we talked about Roger Ver. (1:39:06) But next Tuesday, you and I, sir, is it 730 p.m. (1:39:11) Eastern? (1:39:12) I think we’re going to do it.(1:39:13) You and I. (1:39:13) So, I have are hosting the one and the only Kyle Anzalone. (1:39:19) Kyle. (1:39:20) And Antiwar.com. (1:39:22) Kyle Anzalone.(1:39:24) Kyle Anzalone. (1:39:25) So, we’re going to have him on. (1:39:27) So, we’re really excited about that.(1:39:28) I’ve never. (1:39:28) I did speak with him with the Jacob and Sean. (1:39:32) But I did not speak.(1:39:33) I know you spoke with him individually. (1:39:34) But I have not yet. (1:39:35) So, the two of us are having a good time.(1:39:37) He’s great. (1:39:38) He’s just like Scott Horton. (1:39:39) He knows freaking everything.(1:39:41) And he’ll just talk and talk and talk about the wars and everything. (1:39:44) So, yeah. (1:39:45) It’ll be good.(1:39:46) My favorite podcast are those. (1:39:48) Because they’re like. (1:39:49) I’m.(1:39:49) How do you talk to Scott Horton? (1:39:50) I go. (1:39:51) Well, this is what you say. (1:39:52) You say, hey, Scott.(1:39:53) And then Scott says the rest. (1:39:55) Can I tell you. (1:39:57) I’m still a little bit intimidated by Scott Horton.(1:40:01) I’ve met him. (1:40:02) And I’ve seen so many podcasts with him. (1:40:05) I’m still a little bit.(1:40:06) Like. (1:40:07) Like if I had him solo. (1:40:09) I’d be like.(1:40:09) I don’t know what to say. (1:40:11) Right. (1:40:11) And the thing is.(1:40:12) He does go on his own. (1:40:13) I feel awful. (1:40:14) Because you know how I am.(1:40:15) I cut in. (1:40:16) Because like. (1:40:17) I got to get a thought.(1:40:19) I got a tangent as many times as possible. (1:40:21) I can’t be. (1:40:21) We can’t have a straight conversation.(1:40:23) Right. (1:40:24) I have to break. (1:40:25) I have to break things.(1:40:25) Because it’s. (1:40:26) Because it’s working perfectly fine. (1:40:28) But.(1:40:28) That’s how I work. (1:40:29) So when I like. (1:40:30) Jump in on Scott.(1:40:31) I feel awful. (1:40:33) But I’m also like. (1:40:34) It was like eight minutes man.(1:40:36) Yeah. (1:40:37) But it’s not. (1:40:39) Once again.(1:40:39) Scott’s the fucking library. (1:40:41) I mean. (1:40:42) He’s a. (1:40:42) He’s a whole encyclopedia.(1:40:44) Of everything. (1:40:45) He really is. (1:40:46) Of course.(1:40:46) He should. (1:40:46) Yeah. (1:40:47) Welcome back.(1:40:48) Zach. (1:40:49) I don’t know what happened. (1:40:50) Yeah.(1:40:51) Sorry. (1:40:52) I literally just like. (1:40:53) Got kicked off.(1:40:55) Then it’s. (1:40:56) I looked at you. (1:40:57) You froze.(1:40:57) And then you just disappeared. (1:40:59) Yeah. (1:41:00) There was a storm going on here.(1:41:01) I was worried that one of us. (1:41:02) Would get kicked off. (1:41:03) Yeah.(1:41:04) I thought so too. (1:41:05) We had some pretty nasty stuff. (1:41:06) Where we were at too.(1:41:07) Jason. (1:41:07) We were on our side. (1:41:09) The storm hasn’t hit here yet.(1:41:10) So we’re going. (1:41:11) We’re looking at something. (1:41:12) And over the weekend.(1:41:13) So. (1:41:16) Yeah. (1:41:17) Yeah.(1:41:18) So how. (1:41:18) So how do you guys. (1:41:20) Deal with leadership.(1:41:20) In your lives. (1:41:22) Do you. (1:41:23) Look at it as like.(1:41:25) Recommends. (1:41:26) Obviously. (1:41:26) Your direct boss.(1:41:28) Has real influence. (1:41:29) Over like. (1:41:30) Something you do.(1:41:30) Right. (1:41:30) Because you don’t want to piss them off. (1:41:32) But without fault.(1:41:33) How independent are you. (1:41:35) Even in a hierarchy. (1:41:38) I make it a point.(1:41:39) To be very independent. (1:41:41) I leave my boss. (1:41:42) Out of the loop.(1:41:43) On a lot of things. (1:41:44) Which. (1:41:44) May not be the best.(1:41:46) But. (1:41:47) It works for me. (1:41:48) You take it on yourself.(1:41:49) Yeah. (1:41:50) You take the responsibility. (1:41:51) Yourself.(1:41:52) Yeah. (1:41:53) Yes. (1:41:54) I’m.(1:41:55) I very much. (1:41:55) Take things on myself. (1:41:56) Probably more than I should.(1:41:58) So. (1:41:59) I could delegate more. (1:42:00) I could.(1:42:01) Be more of like. (1:42:02) You know. (1:42:03) Cooperative.(1:42:04) Person. (1:42:04) But I’m. (1:42:05) I don’t know why.(1:42:06) I’m just very. (1:42:07) I’m very independent. (1:42:08) I’m like.(1:42:08) I need that. (1:42:09) I need my space. (1:42:10) Leave me alone.(1:42:11) I’ll get the job done. (1:42:12) I’ll do more than you want. (1:42:13) But.(1:42:14) Don’t. (1:42:15) I don’t want to talk to you about it. (1:42:17) That’s.(1:42:18) Is it cool. (1:42:19) That your. (1:42:19) Your.(1:42:20) Business. (1:42:22) Sees. (1:42:23) That as a value.(1:42:24) In you. (1:42:24) That you’re able. (1:42:25) To do this.(1:42:26) So they know. (1:42:26) Not to fuck. (1:42:27) With you.(1:42:27) Because. (1:42:28) They know. (1:42:29) What you can.(1:42:29) Contribute to them. (1:42:31) So. (1:42:31) Here’s where it helps me.(1:42:34) With my direct. (1:42:35) Boss. (1:42:36) And my.(1:42:37) Colleagues. (1:42:38) It helps a lot. (1:42:38) Because they can see it.(1:42:40) Very well. (1:42:41) But. (1:42:42) Outside of that.(1:42:43) Like looking up. (1:42:44) The chain. (1:42:45) They don’t see me at all.(1:42:46) I’m basically invisible. (1:42:47) That’s where it does not. (1:42:49) Work for me.(1:42:50) I feel. (1:42:51) The exact same way. (1:42:52) I’m literally invisible.(1:42:53) The only way you hear from me. (1:42:54) Is when I’m not there. (1:42:55) Because that’s when stuff.(1:42:56) Doesn’t generally run. (1:42:57) Smoothly. (1:42:58) Yeah.(1:42:59) But I’m also at. (1:43:00) Bottom of the totem pole. (1:43:01) I’m not in any leadership.(1:43:02) Position where. (1:43:03) I understand you. (1:43:03) Have some kind of management.(1:43:05) Position or. (1:43:06) Probably much bigger than. (1:43:07) You’re.(1:43:07) Willing to tell us. (1:43:09) I’m a boss. (1:43:10) What are your thoughts.(1:43:11) Zach. (1:43:11) On it. (1:43:12) I’m lucky.(1:43:14) So. (1:43:14) With my job. (1:43:15) I’m.(1:43:15) I’m in security. (1:43:16) Right now. (1:43:17) So.(1:43:17) It’s very independent. (1:43:19) And my boss. (1:43:21) Pretty much.(1:43:22) Is just. (1:43:22) One of those guys. (1:43:23) That.(1:43:24) Isn’t. (1:43:25) Stuck up. (1:43:25) Your ass.(1:43:27) He isn’t. (1:43:27) That type of dude. (1:43:28) He just.(1:43:29) He. (1:43:30) Understands. (1:43:31) That.(1:43:32) It’s security. (1:43:33) You got to keep them. (1:43:34) As long as you can.(1:43:35) Keep them. (1:43:36) And make people happy. (1:43:37) As best as they can.(1:43:38) Because it. (1:43:40) It comes. (1:43:41) You know.(1:43:42) I mean. (1:43:42) People come and go. (1:43:43) In security.(1:43:44) Easiest job. (1:43:46) And. (1:43:47) Doesn’t always pay the bills.(1:43:49) So. (1:43:49) I mean. (1:43:51) And.(1:43:52) Nobody wants to be. (1:43:53) It’s. (1:43:54) I mean.(1:43:54) As easy as it is. (1:43:55) Nobody wants to. (1:43:56) Be.(1:43:57) A security guard. (1:43:58) So. (1:44:00) But.(1:44:01) For me. (1:44:02) It’s just. (1:44:03) Just keeping my head down.(1:44:05) I don’t have to do a whole lot. (1:44:07) I don’t have to really deal with many people. (1:44:09) And when I do have to deal with people.(1:44:11) It’s all. (1:44:12) Me. (1:44:13) I don’t have to.(1:44:13) Be thinking on my own feet. (1:44:14) And interacting with people. (1:44:16) It’s just like.(1:44:17) As if I’m interacting. (1:44:18) With you guys right now. (1:44:23) Pretty cool.(1:44:24) Yeah. (1:44:25) I know. (1:44:25) I’m familiar with.(1:44:26) Like. (1:44:26) Catering. (1:44:27) Security.(1:44:28) Very seasonal. (1:44:29) Very like. (1:44:30) Kind of.(1:44:31) Tangent. (1:44:32) Like. (1:44:33) Tangentiary.(1:44:33) Kind of jobs. (1:44:34) Transient. (1:44:34) Kind of jobs.(1:44:35) Right? (1:44:35) A lot of people like. (1:44:36) Mm. (1:44:36) I just need a couple.(1:44:37) Couple weeks. (1:44:37) Of work. (1:44:38) Or.(1:44:38) here and there just to, it’s hard to have like a, (1:44:43) I don’t know if you have this Zach, (1:44:44) but I have like a constant battle in my head of like, (1:44:48) I wanna get better and like be this great employee (1:44:53) and get a raise and get promoted and all this shit. (1:44:55) And then half of me is like, no, I wanna be quiet. (1:44:58) I wanna like just do my work.(1:44:59) And then I can do my own thing (1:45:01) and not have this extra responsibility. (1:45:03) I don’t know if you feel that, (1:45:05) that kind of sounds like it. (1:45:06) Yeah, I feel that not as much as like past jobs.(1:45:12) I mean, where I would be in that general form, (1:45:17) like I’ve just, then maybe I should work my butt off, (1:45:20) try to do what I’m asked, maybe it’s insert myself here, (1:45:25) try to get ahead perhaps, but I mean, sometimes it works. (1:45:31) It depends on who your boss is and where you work (1:45:33) and if they have a need. (1:45:35) But a lot of times they might just, you do all the work, (1:45:39) but they’re probably gonna, (1:45:41) I mean, they’re gonna, a lot of kiss assing anymore.(1:45:44) So they’re gonna hand it over to somebody else. (1:45:46) So now I just look at it like, I’m just here. (1:45:49) I’m here to work.(1:45:50) I’m here to like do my thing, get a paycheck, pay my bills. (1:45:54) And then when I go home, I’m getting prepped to do this (1:45:59) or I’m preparing for real estate. (1:46:03) So to become an agent.(1:46:05) So I got my own needs. (1:46:09) Yeah, I hear that. (1:46:11) I cannot do the ass kissing thing.(1:46:13) That just will never happen. (1:46:15) I don’t understand how people can, honestly. (1:46:19) I’ve bumped heads with a lot of people calling them out (1:46:22) for being an ass kisser.(1:46:24) I’ve got like the best boss because they recognize, (1:46:27) I think kind of like how Jason’s probably (1:46:29) people recognizing him, just like just leave the dude alone. (1:46:33) And he doesn’t need anyone to watch over him. (1:46:37) Just give him, point him in a direction.(1:46:39) He won’t do it our way, but he will do it (1:46:43) and it will probably be better (1:46:44) and it’ll be done and whatever. (1:46:45) Like that’s just how I remember. (1:46:47) But I remember my first week or something at work (1:46:50) and I used to be a singer in a cover band.(1:46:53) And I remember I was, I just started working (1:46:57) and I walk in and the boss was talking to a new person (1:47:01) that he was bringing in the office. (1:47:02) He goes, hey, Mark, come here for a second. (1:47:04) He goes, hey, you sing, right? (1:47:05) Can you sing us a couple of bars? (1:47:06) And I’m like, I don’t sing on command.(1:47:09) You ever say that to him? (1:47:11) And I walked down, I’m like, oh fuck. (1:47:14) Like so fucking stupid that I didn’t become a dancing monkey (1:47:17) but like something in me just said, (1:47:19) I don’t do dancing monkey shit. (1:47:22) I’m just sorry, I just, it’s not.(1:47:24) So like, I know that I spent a lot of months (1:47:27) doing credible work to get that taste out of his mouth. (1:47:33) I absolutely could tell that, because people get hurt. (1:47:36) Like they’re so social about it.(1:47:38) And when I get to work, it’s like a wall. (1:47:40) It’s like, it’s like severance. (1:47:42) It almost is almost like severance.(1:47:43) I’m like two different people. (1:47:45) Like I’m here to do the job. (1:47:49) Leave me alone.(1:47:50) I’m gonna go to my cubicle. (1:47:52) Go fuck yourself. (1:47:54) Right, and I will admit I made a little, (1:47:56) I made more money in my previous iteration (1:47:59) but I also had more stress.(1:48:02) I would say work more time (1:48:04) on completely meaningless things where like, (1:48:07) I don’t know what this is gonna be (1:48:09) or if it ever will be anything, (1:48:11) but sharing messages with people like you guys, (1:48:14) getting to do this every once in a while is really great (1:48:16) because you guys have made me think about (1:48:19) so many things just today. (1:48:20) Just with just the conversation, (1:48:22) all the different directions gone. (1:48:23) So it’s, this is what, (1:48:25) this is what drives me in this way is connection.(1:48:28) Cause I’ll be honest, (1:48:29) like I think all of us kind of experienced a challenge (1:48:31) with connection because A, we’re not that interested (1:48:34) because a lot of times we kind of are in our own selves, (1:48:37) like in our own heads in that way. (1:48:40) That’s interesting that you brought up that sometime. (1:48:44) I mean, it’s cool to get paid a little bit more, (1:48:46) get a raise and, (1:48:48) but then you have more added stress and responsibility.(1:48:52) It’s like my mom actually, (1:48:54) she ended up getting like a supervisory role (1:48:58) as a CNA, like in-home CNA company. (1:49:03) And she just got so stressed and nobody really, (1:49:07) like the actual like direct support (1:49:09) that she was supervising, (1:49:11) they were mostly all garbage, (1:49:12) calling off, walking out, not caring. (1:49:15) So she would be doing that job anyways.(1:49:18) This stress got so bad that she ended up, (1:49:21) she just, she took a pay cut and demoted herself (1:49:24) and went down to just the direct support CNA role. (1:49:28) She has so, she could just do that (1:49:30) rather than have that extra stress and responsibility. (1:49:33) And even though she was getting paid more, (1:49:36) like I think she went from like $20 an hour (1:49:39) down to like 14, the equivalent, (1:49:43) but she didn’t, yeah, but she didn’t care (1:49:45) because she was happy.(1:49:48) Yeah, I mean, she was, she wasn’t happy, (1:49:51) but she was happy. (1:49:52) It’s a troll thing, right? (1:49:54) Traitor. (1:49:54) There’s no solution.(1:49:56) Like if you want to, okay, (1:49:57) if you want a little less stress, (1:49:58) you’re not going to get paid more. (1:50:00) I’m sorry if you’re, (1:50:03) everyone has a position and everyone has value. (1:50:05) That’s not the same thing.(1:50:07) But if you’re pushing a broom, (1:50:08) you’re not getting paid the same as a guy (1:50:10) who’s like fixing the internet. (1:50:12) You’re just not, you’re just not, you’re just not. (1:50:16) So any other thoughts, gentlemen? (1:50:20) We’re coming up on two hours, (1:50:21) probably getting pushed, pushing on it on the time here, (1:50:24) but there’s 64 people who logged on.(1:50:26) Thank you so much again. (1:50:28) We had Sean, Bud’s in reality. (1:50:31) We had Andrew at AI 90 something.(1:50:35) I don’t know. (1:50:36) AI, AI Conan 90. (1:50:38) Okay, cool.(1:50:39) AI Conan 90. (1:50:40) We got Drop the Mask over there. (1:50:44) We’ve got Legacy Zach down here.(1:50:49) And then I’m over here. (1:50:50) Hey guys, please, Drop the Mask is over here, okay? (1:50:54) He just did his 38th episode. (1:50:57) It’s a reflection of his previous episodes.(1:51:00) I just started watching it. (1:51:01) Congratulations on coming this far with it already, Jason. (1:51:04) Seriously, I’ve seen, I could tell right away (1:51:09) just the way you’ve dedicated to it (1:51:10) that the improvements we’re going to have, (1:51:13) it’s exponential improvement for sure.(1:51:15) And Zach, I’ve really enjoyed your stuff (1:51:17) because you just, I feel like you’ve been consistent, (1:51:20) but like consistent, what, five days a week, (1:51:23) six days, something crazy. (1:51:24) You’re just there. (1:51:25) There’s stuff that I can watch of yours all the time.(1:51:28) So I’m learning so much from you guys. (1:51:31) So I just want to thank you guys (1:51:32) for helping me grow in this way (1:51:35) because I’m trying to push all of us to do different things (1:51:38) so we can grow and be better. (1:51:40) Yeah.(1:51:42) Now that you said that, we go live tomorrow at 11 (1:51:46) and then, oh God, then on Sunday, (1:51:50) we’re recording our Monday through Wednesday episodes. (1:51:53) So thanks for reminding me. (1:51:56) You got work to do.(1:51:57) I’m busy, man. (1:51:59) I can barely pull off one a week. (1:52:02) I don’t even know how we’re pulling this off.(1:52:05) Yeah, I mean, like, okay, so once again, (1:52:08) the League of Ordinary Friends is what, monthly, right? (1:52:11) So we’re looking at, I think we might be looking at, (1:52:15) I think it’s going to be April. (1:52:17) We’re probably looking at April, does 17th sound okay? (1:52:21) Something like that. (1:52:22) Probably be in that range right before 420.(1:52:26) Right before WrestleMania. (1:52:28) Right before 420, yeah, WrestleMania. (1:52:30) You know what? (1:52:30) We should go to Vegas.(1:52:32) Who wants to go to, you want to go to Vegas, Jason? (1:52:34) Yeah, let’s go. (1:52:36) You want to go for real? (1:52:37) Yeah. (1:52:38) Okay, I’ll figure it out.(1:52:39) Because I’m going to St. Paddy’s. (1:52:40) I’m going to Vegas for St. Paddy’s Day, so that’ll be fun. (1:52:43) But anyway, so like, once again, Zach, (1:52:47) Zach, tell us all the shows that you’re doing.(1:52:49) Tell us all your cool socials (1:52:51) so we can follow you and get on your shows. (1:52:55) Well, first off, you can follow me at Legacy underscore Z-A-K. (1:53:01) It’s Legacy Zach.(1:53:03) Me and Andrew, we do the Legacy News. (1:53:07) It’s our perspective piece of, (1:53:10) because we’re the media now, (1:53:12) and the Legacy media is dying. (1:53:14) So every Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, (1:53:16) we do typically a half an hour episode.(1:53:21) Mondays is typically politics, (1:53:25) something to do with politics and the news. (1:53:28) Tuesday is usually our culture type of news (1:53:32) that we try to talk based on, shoot the breeze on. (1:53:37) And then Wednesday is Crypto Wednesday.(1:53:39) So we try to stay more crypto oriented. (1:53:43) Lately, we’re doing a series following a show from 2018 (1:53:49) called Breaking Monero. (1:53:51) So we’re diving into that.(1:53:53) And then you can also catch me and Andrew (1:53:54) on the World Blockchain Roundtable every Tuesday, (1:53:57) or every Thursday at 11 a.m. Eastern. (1:54:00) It’s just a round table, cool group of guys, (1:54:05) hosted by Joe Rhoades, the creator of Dragon Chain, (1:54:11) lead developer. (1:54:14) And IAM4AM’s on there, right? (1:54:15) That’s the gentleman that we see a lot, Jason.(1:54:20) So IAM4AM is on there. (1:54:22) We got Greg for Rivet, LightCoin Lisa, Satoshi, Sean, (1:54:28) all sorts. (1:54:29) Sometimes Aaron Day jumps on, pops in on there.(1:54:32) So, and then every Friday, 11 a.m. live, (1:54:39) damn near everywhere for the Legacy, right? (1:54:42) So we’re gonna go into vices or not crimes tomorrow. (1:54:46) Very nice. (1:54:48) Yeah, you said you’d start reading that again.(1:54:50) Cool. (1:54:51) Well, we got this next, (1:54:52) I think next time we’re gonna try to do Andrew’s thing. (1:54:54) So he needs to take the lead on this (1:54:56) and give us those tests that we can all take (1:54:58) so we can figure out what our stuff is.(1:55:01) But- (1:55:01) I’ll get him to send us the test. (1:55:06) Or the link for the test. (1:55:08) What are we getting tested for? (1:55:10) We’re gonna do like Enneagram, Myers-Briggs, (1:55:14) and Big 5 personality, I think.(1:55:16) I think we’d like to do that, just kind of talk about, (1:55:18) cause like, what’s interesting about this (1:55:20) is the leadership hierarchy stuff is part of it, (1:55:22) but like knowing who you are (1:55:24) and how you interact and stuff, (1:55:26) like I, we all have uniqueness to ourselves (1:55:30) and I guarantee that we’re gonna find results in ourselves. (1:55:33) It’s like, holy crap, you’re this and this, (1:55:36) but those things seem contradictory. (1:55:37) But for some reason, people like us (1:55:39) can hold those two contradictory things in our heads.(1:55:42) So it’s kind of fun to see that. (1:55:44) And like the ENTJ, right? (1:55:46) What’s that, the big, what’s a Myers-Briggs, right? (1:55:48) And to see which ones interact. (1:55:50) And it’s funny, cause I will almost guarantee, (1:55:53) and it’s just, this is a loose thing, (1:55:55) cause we’ll figure it out.(1:55:57) But once we take these tests, (1:55:58) we’ll figure out that we’ll have, (1:56:00) I bet you Jason and I and you, Zach, (1:56:03) have like something in ourselves that have us connect (1:56:05) and then something connects with Sean (1:56:07) from some other part of it. (1:56:09) So it’s gonna be fun to see how, (1:56:10) like how the league of ordinary friends came together. (1:56:15) Like just to see through that stuff.(1:56:17) So, and then, so Jason, before we continue there, (1:56:21) please share all your stuff. (1:56:22) Cause then we’ve got some exciting, (1:56:24) consciously on my stuff to share after that. (1:56:28) Yeah, man.(1:56:29) Well, you mentioned my reflection episode. (1:56:30) I’ve been doing some, (1:56:32) taking some time to just look back, see where I’ve been. (1:56:36) And there’s a part two to that reflection coming soon, (1:56:39) which might feature somebody to my left here.(1:56:45) Somebody who’s been on, dropped the mask himself. (1:56:50) So yeah, it’s gonna be great. (1:56:52) I’m looking back, like Sean was talking about, (1:56:55) I’ve been caught up too much in politics (1:56:58) and I really wanna get back to my original idea (1:57:01) that pulled me into it, (1:57:02) which is kind of taking a step up, (1:57:05) looking at it from a balcony view.(1:57:07) Why are people doing things? (1:57:09) Talking about psychology, talking about sociology, (1:57:13) just human behavior and not really focusing (1:57:17) on what’s happening within the day-to-day (1:57:19) because so many people do that. (1:57:22) I don’t wanna keep up on it. (1:57:24) I don’t have the energy.(1:57:25) I don’t have the time. (1:57:26) So anyway, please go follow me, (1:57:29) drop the mask pod on X, (1:57:31) find me on Rumble, YouTube, (1:57:33) anywhere you get your podcasts (1:57:35) and go to my locals channel, (1:57:37) dropthemaskpod.locals.com. (1:57:39) Some bonuses in there that you’ll only find (1:57:41) on my locals channel. (1:57:42) It’s free.(1:57:43) But if you wanna subscribe, that does help. (1:57:47) That’s it. (1:57:49) Follow at dropthemaskpod, (1:57:51) follow at legacy underscore Zach.(1:57:54) What’s cool is once again, (1:57:55) we’ve talked about this (1:57:56) and this last month has been crazy amazing (1:58:00) for just this collaboration with all of us, (1:58:05) but specifically with you, Jason, (1:58:06) just because we’ve done more of them, obviously, (1:58:08) but we’re on an episode, what, (1:58:09) eight or nine or something already (1:58:11) and it’s Consciously Unmasked. (1:58:13) And like I said, the last 90 days, (1:58:16) just Rumble views, I had a total of 2,200, (1:58:19) but the last 30 of those was 1,200. (1:58:23) So it just speaks to, (1:58:25) I’ve quadrupled or something, (1:58:27) just with the collaborations that we’ve done here, (1:58:29) we’ve pushed each other and all of us (1:58:31) to do these things that are uncomfortable.(1:58:32) Like Jason, we talk about (1:58:34) being a little more improvisational, right? (1:58:37) We talk about improv and stuff like that. (1:58:39) It’s not that you can’t do it, (1:58:41) it’s just something you’re not comfortable with doing. (1:58:43) And I have to get better to your point (1:58:45) at the listening and pausing or waiting or flight, (1:58:47) those types of things process.(1:58:49) Did I say that? (1:58:51) What’s that? (1:58:52) Did I say that? (1:58:54) Did I say that? (1:58:56) Yes. (1:58:58) But anyway, so we have this cool thing. (1:59:00) So to that extent, please follow the three of us.(1:59:03) Please follow at Buds in reality as well. (1:59:05) Follow AI Conan 90. (1:59:09) Also, Consciously Unmasked, Kyle Anzalone on the 18th.(1:59:14) Tuesday, the 18th, 7.30 p.m. (1:59:17) And then Jason and I are gonna do, (1:59:19) we’re gonna start Mondays, correct, Jason? (1:59:21) I think it’s starting the 24th. (1:59:23) Starting March 24th, we’ll be on Monday nights. (1:59:26) Monday nights.(1:59:26) And Jason will be responsible (1:59:28) for all of the episodes going forward. (1:59:31) Cause this is the one we’re doing is on IQ. (1:59:34) I’m taking a leadership role.(1:59:36) Yeah, Jason’s gonna take a lead role (1:59:38) because we both took an IQ test (1:59:42) and Jason crushed me. (1:59:45) I am a fucking idiot. (1:59:47) Just to be clear.(1:59:48) I am a fucking stupid idiot. (1:59:50) Those tests are bullshit and you know it. (1:59:52) We took the test, bro.(1:59:54) The test, the online test does not lie. (1:59:57) The internet doesn’t lie. (1:59:59) But no, but I’m gonna say- (2:00:00) The test doesn’t tell you anything.(2:00:02) If it’s on the internet, (2:00:04) if it’s on the internet, it’s true, right? (2:00:06) Right, of course. (2:00:08) That’s the whole point. (2:00:08) So Jason and I took the same online test from Mensa.(2:00:11) It was Mensa approved. (2:00:13) And he did much better than I. (2:00:14) We will share the results. (2:00:15) So I’m not gonna tell him yet, (2:00:16) but he crushed me and I feel very inferior.(2:00:20) But I knew he would beat me. (2:00:22) I just didn’t think I would do so poorly. (2:00:24) I just thought I would do where he kind of was.(2:00:26) And I thought he would do better than that. (2:00:28) So anyway, I feel shame, but not so bad. (2:00:33) Gentlemen, thank you so much.(2:00:35) Please, any closing remarks before we call it a day? (2:00:40) Well, you guys are gonna be competing on Mondays (2:00:44) with your IQ with Technically Turek. (2:00:48) So put two screens on if you wanna escape everything else (2:00:54) and just listen to Turek. (2:00:56) Wait, what time on Monday do you go on? (2:00:59) Technically Turek, I don’t go on.(2:01:01) I’m just a show coordinator. (2:01:03) So I’m his program coordinator. (2:01:06) What time Eastern time? (2:01:07) What time East Coast? (2:01:08) Because we’re Arizona, we’re screwed up.(2:01:10) We don’t have daylight savings. (2:01:11) Yeah, they’re 8 p.m. Eastern. (2:01:13) So put both screens.(2:01:14) Right, we’re going on. (2:01:15) Yeah, put both screens. (2:01:16) So yeah, put on picture in picture.(2:01:17) Put us on in Rumble, put you guys on live stream on YouTube. (2:01:21) Exactly. (2:01:22) They’re on YouTube.(2:01:23) They’re only on YouTube, so. (2:01:24) Right, just on YouTube. (2:01:26) We’re on Rumble, so there you go.(2:01:27) Yeah, open up Rumble, there you go. (2:01:31) Well, gentlemen, I do wanna thank you. (2:01:32) Jason, do you have any closing words before we call it? (2:01:36) I have no words.(2:01:37) It’s been amazing. (2:01:38) I love you guys. (2:01:40) Love you guys, man.(2:01:41) But my next goal is in person, man. (2:01:45) We gotta get this thing in person. (2:01:46) It’s such a different vibe.(2:01:49) I watch, I love these. (2:01:51) These are great, technology’s awesome. (2:01:54) But man, when you get in a room with someone, (2:01:55) it’s just, it’s so different.(2:01:58) It’s so different. (2:01:59) And I think the value does show to the audience too, (2:02:03) like to people who watch it. (2:02:04) So anyway, 67 people, thank you so much.(2:02:07) We talked about leadership, hierarchies. (2:02:10) We talked some Jordan Peterson. (2:02:13) Mr. Trump, President Trump, (2:02:16) could you send us out before we call it an evening? (2:02:19) We’re gonna have to do this again (2:02:20) because there’s so much about leadership (2:02:23) that you’ve never even heard that I can tell you.(2:02:26) Let me tell you, it’s the best. (2:02:29) Your favorite president, (2:02:31) the best leader that the world has ever seen, (2:02:34) probably the galaxy. (2:02:35) I don’t know.(2:02:36) We don’t have their television channels, (2:02:38) but yes, it’s great, so great. (2:02:42) Thank you for coming, everybody. (2:02:43) Have a great night.(2:02:46) Joe Biden wants to say something. (2:02:47) Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. (2:02:48) Go ahead, Zach.(2:02:49) Joe Biden wants to say. (2:02:56) That’s great. (2:02:58) I just shit my pants.(2:03:01) All right, guys. (2:03:02) Have a good night, guys. (2:03:03) Thank you so much for joining us, everybody.(2:03:05) Have a great night. (2:03:06) Take care.