If by Whiskey: The Rebrand

Served up with a twist of rhetorical fallacy– this is ‘If By Whiskey’.

In this episode, we introduce the new brand! We unravel the diabolical brilliance of Noah “Soggy” Sweat’s legendary “If by whiskey” speech—a cunning dance of words that both condemns and praises whiskey in the same breath. How did this clever oration capture the essence of political double-speak? Where do we see that today? Join us as we explore the speech’s historical context, its use as a persuasive logical fallacy, and the lasting impact of strategic ambiguity in politics and beyond. Grab a glass—of whatever you choose—and let’s dive in.

One more thing: I’m HONORED to be #3 on this list. I was #39 last year. Thanks, FeedSpot!
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Transcript:

(0:00) Now it’s still spinning. There we go. Now we are live.Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone to a brand (0:10) new Spankin show. The rebrand of Consciously Unmasked, sir. How are you? Yo, I’m great.(0:20) What’s really important, I think, is are we starting over from number one or is this number 11? (0:26) This is number one because I lost count. Okay. It was 11.This would have been 11. (0:33) This would have been 11, so it’s number one. But on that, sir, I bring you the Jason created (0:51) such a beautiful thing.Where’d the music go? You muted it? (0:58) I don’t know. It must not have the music. The Roaming Bandits, the theme.(1:04) Well, that’s Roman’s music and it’s awesome. It’s got this cool Southwestern thing. When you threw (1:10) that in there with that, I don’t even know what they’re called, but it’s awesome.Cool. Well, (1:16) welcome everyone. We have a brand new show called If By Whiskey, sir.And before we start the show, (1:24) we definitely need to explain how this happened. So you and I have been brainstorming for about (1:30) two days and somehow you typed three words together, If By Whiskey, and something in me (1:37) went absolutely clicked. So I’d love for you to share how that inspiration came to you, sir.(1:43) Yeah. Well, first I was just like throwing it out there. Like, do you like the name? Should (1:47) we keep it? And you’re just like, oh, I guess I could change it.And we just went down a rabbit (1:51) hole of, yeah, like you said, two or three days back and forth trying to come up with a name that (1:56) made sense. We had a couple of decent ones, but finally I was just looking through different (2:01) things. I was looking at logical fallacies.That’s where I found this. So If By Whiskey, (2:08) it’s kind of the art of saying everything and saying nothing at the same time. Being (2:13) in support of both sides of an issue.It’s a weaselly thing that politicians do quite a bit. (2:21) Yeah. And it’s funny because you can mask what side you’re on by playing that game, right? (2:27) Yeah.And people still eat it up. That’s the crazy thing. (2:31) They do.And they actually think that you actually have like a backbone. Oh my God, (2:34) this guy took a stand. So yeah.He took both stands, but you know, that should get you more (2:40) votes, right? If you side with both sides, you should get all the votes. (2:45) Yeah. So this If By Whiskey idea, it’s basically off this speech, right? Once again, it’s 1952, (2:52) was it? I believe.Yeah. 1952. (2:55) Yeah.If you’d like to give us a little bit about that explanation about that speech, (2:59) Jason, I’d love to hear about it. So there’s this Mississippi state (3:03) representative. And in 1952, if you guys remember about prohibition nationally, that ended in 1933, (3:10) but Mississippi was one of the last states to still be a dry state.So this young kid, (3:17) I think he was 28 at the time, Noah Soggy Sweat Jr. He gave a speech that it was so good that (3:28) the name of it became synonymous with this logical fallacy. And it’s called If By Whiskey, (3:35) of course, it masterfully dodges divisive issues. In this case, it was alcohol prohibition.(3:44) So he got the people that were for prohibition to clap for him. And then he got the people that (3:49) were against it to give him a round of applause. And how did he do it? Well, we’re going to be (3:55) exploring some of those things.We’re going to look at the speech, actually a reenactment of it, (3:59) but the origins, breakdown, what it means, does it actually work? What does it teach us (4:05) about politics and persuasion today? Any thoughts? 100% sir. Totally, totally on board with that. So (4:17) thank you for sharing that.So basically the If By Whiskey speech, it basically takes both sides (4:21) and it makes the guy look like an absolute genius. And one of the things that I don’t know if you (4:27) thought about, because I always like to think, okay, which one do you use first? You take the (4:32) side that you’re on or do you take the side that you’re against, right? And the questions are like (4:38) the recency fallacy, the primacy, right? Primacy is the first thing you hear, recency is the last (4:43) thing you hear. So like, which one do you battle with and how do you play with this If By Whiskey (4:48) concept? I’m really, it’s kind of fun.And then we’ll talk about some of the actual, we’ll show (4:53) some of these weird places where it takes place. And then we’ll also show like some topics where (4:59) it would really be work really well for some people. So it’s kind of a fun thing.Yeah. It’s (5:04) really an eloquent way of saying there are fine people on both sides. That’s really it.Yes. It (5:10) literally is like saying fine people on both sides. That is a perfect analogy for that.Just Trump’s (5:15) not really good at doing that. He just kind of fumbles over his words and then talks through (5:18) them. Right.And I’m not talking about the white supremacists. Yes. Thank you.So before we do (5:26) launch, I have, there’s a couple of wins that happened this week and I am uber, uber, uber (5:32) excited to share, share this. Oh, Zach’s online. Welcome, Zach.How’s everybody doing, Zach? Thank (5:39) you so much. So one of the wins is this. I was on this, on this thing.I got an email last year (5:47) and it was from this group called Feed Spot. And it looks like it’s a podcast collection website or (5:54) something. And what I, I found out that I was on a number 39 on a list of 80 top inappropriate (6:04) podcasts.Are you inappropriate? Yeah. I wonder why. Yeah.I’m inappropriate. And then I didn’t (6:16) really give it much mind. I was really excited to see that.I didn’t even know, but there’s the (6:20) website, everybody, if you happen to take a look. But lo and behold, I got another email this week (6:26) and I’m not going to lie. We’re relaunching today.And in the beginning, like two weeks ago, (6:32) I almost was like going to stop doing it because I was kind of losing, not losing interest. Like (6:37) what we’ve re-sparked is like the interest that I’m having is like all different topics, (6:41) nothing too serious, but also talking about serious stuff. And I was, you know, I just kind (6:47) of that thing is like the Consciously Unmasked name didn’t feel like it just felt weird.Like (6:52) you were talking about, like, we’re all kind of feeling the same thing as something was off. (6:55) And then come with the idea, name change. And then I get this, this email.If you go on this (7:00) website, I don’t know how, I don’t know why, but I am number three on this list now from 39. I moved (7:07) up 36 spots. So I emailed the guy and the guy just said, it’s some kind of collection of number of (7:13) So I’m hoping we can continue the momentum.I want to thank you, Jason, because I can guarantee (7:18) the last two months or the last three months, how much content we’ve made just alone in the last (7:24) three months, just the two of us with the friends, you and I individually, just being on each other (7:30) shows, like doing all that other stuff. So I just want to thank you, but I want to thank everyone (7:33) else who’s just given us a watch and a listen. I mean, it’s, I’m just absolutely honored.So thank (7:39) you so much for having us. Thank you for your lapse of judgment by watching our show. Appreciate (7:45) it.Yes. And, and I, I hope we become more and more inappropriate as we speak. So all right, (7:52) sir, are you, are you ready for this? Oh, that’s really cool, man.And by the way, he’s right above (7:56) Michelle Obama and Gavin Newsom. So congratulations on that. That would be great.Are they actually on (8:02) there? No, no, no. That’d be hilarious. I am above Howie Mandel.I can tell you that. (8:07) Howie Mandel was like number one or two. When I was even on the list, I was like, no way, (8:11) what am I doing on this thing? I still have no clue.So does everyone have a podcast? (8:17) Like, I feel like every celebrity now they have to, they have to. Yeah. We should, we should talk (8:23) about the Gavin and Michelle one, but it’s so bad.I don’t think we need to talk about air climb, (8:28) reclining, like how, if we should recline on commercial airlines, Michelle Obama, (8:33) who’s flown on air force one and probably first class. So, all right. So the second thing this (8:42) weekend, are you ready for this craziness, my friend? It’s so weird.I’m not ready. Hold on. (8:52) Okay, go.Okay. So it’s, it’s crazy town. I have to tell you this because what I’ve been doing is (9:01) I’ve been saying yes, more and more often, right? I’ve been making sure that I say yes to almost (9:06) every opportunity.Okay. So I’ve been engaging a lot on X and the boomer social network. Other (9:13) now has known as Facebook.And I’ve been sharing with you guys, a lot of the comments that I’ve (9:19) been getting from people. And it’s been pretty fun. However, I get a comment from a woman on (9:26) Friday morning or early afternoon.And she writes something and I’m like, oh, (9:30) oh, okay. Something. And then she, she comments on about Dave Smith.And I’m like, oh, that’s cool. (9:37) Dave Smith, that’ll work. She, she’s like, at least listens to, to Dave Smith.That’s a good (9:41) start. Right? So I get this message out of the blue. You know how Facebook just pings this woman, (9:47) Laura pings goes, I don’t know why we’re Facebook friends, Mark, but based on the podcast I heard (9:53) today, you’re from Arizona.You seem well-versed in political learnings, leanings of geography here. (9:59) Any who you seem cool. And if you were in Arizona, my husband and I are having a house concert party (10:05) tomorrow.And I think you and your girlfriend should come. Shane Brent from the coal train (10:09) is having his album release. Drew Cooper, several other Arizona people are playing, (10:14) look them up.If you don’t know them, cool shit. If you’re interested, we’ll send you the event (10:20) page. Cheers.Wow. Really unsolicited out of the blue invitation to a backyard album release party. (10:30) Okay.So what do I do? I click on, on Laura’s page. It looks legit. It looks kind of cool, (10:36) but you know, I have to look these people up.Like I’ve never seen something like this before, (10:40) right? I’ve never been privy to something like this. So I ended up going through and something (10:46) she said, I said, Oh, you know what? Let’s just go. But I remember when we were getting dressed, (10:51) I’m like to my girlfriend, I look, I go put on socks and closed toe shoes.Cause this might be (10:56) one of those hunting game type things where we might have to run for our life. So I just want to (11:00) make sure that we’re fair. So we drive, we drive out to Gilbert.It’s all it’s Gilbert. It’s out, (11:07) out in Gilbert area. And we drive out there and I was going to mention you, but it was like, (11:13) I just got this invitation.So I didn’t want to feel like too forward. Like I didn’t want to (11:16) be like greedy, you know? So go up to the house. We go in Laura’s right there.She’s like, Oh my (11:23) gosh, Mark. I’m like, Oh my gosh. Hi.So she meets, she meets my girlfriend and they strike it off (11:28) like nothing. They just talk, talking like nothing’s ever happened. Like they’ve been (11:31) friends forever.And they were the kindest thing. Amazing. Acoustic guitar.Let me, let me read off (11:36) the names if I may, because I want to make sure that I honor the right people that were here. (11:40) But basically I want to thank you again, Laura, for inviting us to your home. (11:45) Um, the funny story was when she pulled me, she pulled me aside.She goes, (11:48) I wasn’t sure. But then you mentioned your girlfriend on the podcast. I knew you were okay.(11:53) And I said, cool. I wasn’t going to mention Jason, but Jason’s married. So he’s even better (11:58) than I am.He’s even like more on board. Cause I think you would have really enjoyed this. Like (12:02) I was like thinking like, this is something for you.Right? So the people that I, that were there, (12:07) Austin B. Sweeney, Jackson Republic, Drew Cooper, TJ Taylor, JD Graham, Shane Britt, (12:17) who’s a, it was his album release party. And then tall Paul is Laura’s husband and they have a duo (12:23) called the pompous beggars. And there’s a band they also have called the Lewinsky’s and they (12:28) do nineties country covers.And it’s so fucking fun, she says. So Laura, thank you again for that (12:36) invitation. It was the funnest thing.Like I, I cannot tell you that saying yes has been a cool (12:43) thing to do lately. And I, I’m going to continue doing it. So I hope to bring you along next time, (12:48) man.Cause I think you’d, you would have really enjoyed it. And it’s kind of halfway to you (12:51) cause it’s over. So it’s all the way out there out in the boonies out here.Yeah. (12:58) That’s awesome, man. I don’t know who any of those people are, but it sounds great.(13:03) You know what? They’re all, they all seem to be Arizona locals. A lot of them had like (13:06) Roger Klein t-shirts on. Sorry, go ahead.I think we got out of sync there, but yeah, (13:15) I’m probably would have said no. I’d be like, nah, I just want to stay home. (13:19) That would have been my thing.So that’s awesome. You said yes. (13:23) I admit I hemmed and hawed.I’m not going to lie, but you know what? It’s kind of, (13:28) I think it comes part and parcel with trying to do this is like, if we’re going to put ourselves (13:32) out there, if someone’s going to give the energy to invite someone somewhere, you know what? Maybe (13:38) I should at least consider it. So I at least want to say, if I said yes, I was going to go. So I (13:42) said yes.And we did it. Zach wants to know. It sounds like Zach wants to join us.Yeah. (13:52) You can have my invitation, Zach. Yeah.Is there a sync issue? Something going on? There’s like, (13:59) clicking out here. Do you want me to hit the speech itself or where would you like to go (14:04) with this, sir? Before we get back to that, did you want to talk about the RFK stuff? (14:12) Okay. We’ll talk about it now.Yeah, let’s do it. Okay. All right.So if I can tell you that in (14:18) corporate legacy dinosaur media, it’s not really being talked about, (14:22) but Candace Owens has a bone and when Candace Owens has a bone, she does not let go. (14:28) Once again, she is, it’s got to be schmooly. I mean, definitely.Cause there’s some kind of (14:34) connection there, but anyway, Candace Owens is back in with Ian Carroll. You shared this amazing (14:40) nine minute video before the weekend. You want to tell me what, how you came across that? (14:45) No, you shared it.You’re mistaken. I shared it with you. Yeah.Oh crap. Okay. Well, (14:50) someone shared it with me.So I don’t even know how that happened. Okay. So it’s a nine minute (14:55) video of Ian Carroll, basically talking about Candace Owens exposing RFK Jr’s blackmail, (15:02) some blackmail that he’s under.And we wonder who the blackmail is from. Right? What a shock. (15:08) Now what’s interesting is he’s killed his ex-wife by writing down all his sexual exploits.She (15:16) committed suicide, right? He like drove her to insanity. He openly talks about his drug use. (15:21) He had a whale carcass in his car.He’s had a bear on a bicycle. He’s, he’s cheated on what’s (15:28) her face this fucking election cycle on Sheryl, this election cycle with that nosy lady. Okay.(15:35) What, what could possibly he have blackmail for Jason? (15:42) There are very few things that I can think of that would actually damage him at all. Because (15:48) like you said, he’s had all these things. Uh, he’s gone against the pharmaceutical companies (15:53) publicly.Obviously that’s a, that’s a big no, no in politics. Uh, the COVID-19 stuff he’s (16:00) railed against that, uh, assassination theories against his, his dad and his uncle. Um, just (16:07) openly calling out the CIA.I mean, this guy has messed with all the big players in the game already. (16:13) So what’s left? And the EPA, remember he took on the big companies about the paint in the ocean, (16:18) like in the water. So you’re right.He take on every industry. Yeah. Yeah.So, I mean, (16:23) what’s going to damage him? There are very, very few things. I mean, you can probably use your (16:27) imagination, come up with, you know, some underage nonsense, some shenanigans there, (16:34) like some human sacrifice, some weird, like crazy, violent stuff against a human because (16:41) he’s already done animals. So, uh, yeah, I think, can you think of anything else? I don’t know.(16:48) Yeah. You, you mentioned the sacrifice to me and I didn’t even think about it, (16:52) but the second you mentioned it, you’re like, I’m like, Oh, that’s it. (16:56) It’s just weird.Cause it’s RFK, you know what I mean? He’s such a psychopath. (17:01) He’s out on the Bohemian Grove doing the child. I’m like, it’s gotta be age.(17:05) It’s gotta be one, even one at 17 years and 51 weeks. Yeah. I mean, what’s, what’s, (17:17) what’s the most likely thing is that the second would be boys included.(17:23) I don’t even know. Yes. Hey, I don’t know the thing with that, but, but, um, what’s your, uh, (17:30) Candace has been talking about his relation with Shmuley and we all know about Rabbi Shmuley and (17:36) how absolutely perverted that disgusting pig is.And I’m sure he’ll, he’ll try to sue me for (17:41) defamation because calling a single individual disgusting pig is anti-Semitic. Yeah. Well, (17:49) we all saw on Dave Smith’s show, part of the problem, that question and the pause where Dave’s (17:56) like that much control over our government pause, pause, pause.I don’t know. (18:06) It was, did he have an earpiece? Did he have somebody on the side waving? Oh man. It seemed (18:13) like, ah, it was not a delay, like on a podcast delay.It was a way he, he, he counted to five. (18:23) There were things going on in his head that he wanted to say, but he couldn’t say he absolutely. (18:28) And it’s like, you look at him and you’re like, you watch him on Ukraine and you go, (18:34) he’s dead on you on Ukraine.And then you look at Israel and you’re like, not only is he like (18:39) off here and there, he’s 180 degrees incorrect. You know what I mean? It’s like, you couldn’t (18:45) be more anyone with any sane feelings that has the same feelings about Ukraine cannot without, (18:52) unless there’s an ideological input, cannot feel this, feel it differently about the other (18:57) situation. Just can’t absolutely not.So yeah, I’m, I’m afraid it’s kid. I’m afraid it’s, (19:03) it’s going to be an age thing. Um, but your sacrifice thing makes, I mean, he’s, he wasn’t (19:08) in like jungles and shit and eating, like just doing all crazy stuff, rituals.And he used to (19:14) do heroin. I mean, what, I mean, it could be murder, right? He could have murdered somebody, (19:20) but like, I feel like the black males where they have video and like a lot of like capture, (19:27) not just him shooting a guy or something. You know what I mean? Like, I don’t know.(19:32) He joined Donald Trump’s team. So that’s like the biggest sin you can commit (19:39) in the liberal world order. That’s like, that’s the worst thing you can do.So (19:44) what else could it be? That’s why I, when I heard this, I’m like, ah, okay. It sounds (19:49) like fake news. And he said, he and Carol said that something was dropping this weekend and (19:55) it hasn’t.It didn’t. But when you say fake news, like, then why is he acting the way he is? Like (20:00) if there isn’t anything to the story, right? Oh yeah. Israel has his, has their claws in him for (20:08) sure.But yeah. So maybe he actually agrees with him. Maybe he’s actually, he’s friends with that (20:14) schmooly dude.He’s just friends with the people that tell him what they want him to believe. (20:20) And he believes it. Maybe that’s it, but I don’t know.Yeah. So do you know anything about the (20:27) schmooly guy with Michael Jackson? Cause Candace Owens brought up something about Michael Jackson (20:33) talking shit about schmooly. So I did a, you know, web search, Michael Jackson, (20:39) schmooly allegedly they were real friends and schmooly like came to Michael Jackson’s defense (20:44) all the time.And I’m like, that makes, cause I’m like a Michael Jackson guy who went from (20:50) thinking he did not thinking he did. And I think Candace is on the side that Michael Jackson didn’t (20:54) think didn’t do it either. So like what’s the connection with schmooly? So it’s kind of funky (21:00) now.So I went down a new rabbit hole. I have not heard that one. I don’t, yeah, I don’t know.(21:05) Yeah. I’m going to, I’m going to look into that one next, but Oh, what do we have here? (21:11) Oh, we’ll be releasing files, linking Nazis, including Hitler being in Argentina. (21:17) Still guys gotta be like 120 at this point.Oh my gosh. Speaking of the RFK thing, did you hear (21:24) the, did you see the new Candace one, the new Candace Owens? No, it’s awesome. It’s about Sir (21:30) Han, Sir Han, the guy who like one of the witnesses who was trying to get him out of jail.Now he’s (21:36) 91 years old and he’s basically countering. He’s basically changing his whole story saying, (21:42) I’m sorry that I did this to you, sir. On, it wasn’t you and all this stuff.(21:48) What? Yeah. I’m sorry. Are you familiar with Sir Han, Sir Han? No.Okay. So Robert Kennedy’s dad, (21:54) RFK senior, when he was walked off the stage, he, they, they shuffle him off the stage to go back, (22:00) back into the, uh, into like through the kitchen, right. He gets pushed and actually gets nudged in (22:05) a different direction to go another way.And that’s when gunshots go off and Kennedy gets shot (22:12) and killed within 20, within a day. Robert, Robert senior. Well, Sir Han, Sir Han was in front facing (22:18) Kennedy and all Kennedy’s shots were in the back, in the back of the head.He, he only had a gun (22:26) that five could hold eight bullets, but there were eight, 13 shots and there were 13 casings (22:31) or something. Uh, so there’s a whole, like he, he didn’t have time to reload. There’s a whole (22:36) like thing.It goes into like, Candace just did it. But once again, it was like a case of the (22:40) suicide to me. It was always the biggest suicide I’ve ever seen.He hired, you know, hired all (22:47) these actors, like the game. You ever see that game, the movie, the game with Michael Douglas (22:51) and Sean Penn? No. Highly recommended.I think you’d really, I know nothing. You shouldn’t ask (22:57) me these questions. I don’t know any movies or anything.So yes. So anyway, so Kennedy’s dad. (23:05) Yeah.So Kenny’s dad basically. So to watch him count out of that, it’s like what they’re holding (23:11) a gun to his head. They’ve always held a gun to his head, like pretty much.So I’m really curious (23:17) if, if something breaks, I’m curious if it does break. What do you think of the overall situation (23:23) with Trump and Kennedy trying to, you know, make government more efficient, make that, (23:29) make people healthier and all this stuff. Do you think it’s for real? Like are, are the people that (23:36) are in charge actually letting them do it? That’s a really good question.I, I, I hate to say it’s (23:45) all a psyop, but the doge thing is a really good extract, uh, distraction while we’re moving three (23:53) fucking Navy fleets into Iran. You know what I mean? Like it’s easy to talk, like to have Elon be (24:00) an enemy right now. It’s like when John Bolton existed, I think Trump even said, he’s like, (24:04) I liked the John Bolton was there.Cause he deflected a lot of my heat. Is anybody really (24:09) yelling at Trump about tariffs? No, they’re yelling at Elon about doge. So at worst, it’s a (24:16) good distraction for people, but to think let’s you and I be honest, what do they need to cut? (24:21) They need to cut the military just in half, just to start, just as a starting point is to have it.(24:28) That’s like, that’s only a starting point that that only takes what? 400 billion out, something (24:34) like that a year. That’s like nothing at four 50 maybe. So right there, it just has to happen.(24:39) They’re not going to do that. You and I know they’re not going to do that. They’re, they’re (24:42) ramping up for war.So then Maha Kennedy, one, one more point, Kennedy, his first, one of his (24:50) first acts is calling antisemitism, a health crisis. Come on, man. Like that’s, that’s what (24:59) you’re focusing on.That’s not making us healthy, you know? So what do you say? Kosher, then we’d (25:09) be fine. We’ll have to get blessed by rabbi. Then that’s a whole other, you want to hear that racket? (25:15) You want to hear that racket on Passover? So on Passover rabbis are allowed to marry and have (25:19) children.Okay. The entire family’s blessed on Passover. So the rabbi, the daughters, the sons, (25:26) the wife, they can all go to individual catering companies and get paid money to sit there and do (25:33) nothing while you prepare food, just so they can say it’s kosher for Passover.(25:39) Sounds like a good gig. (25:40) It’s a racket. Oh yeah.It’s one of the best. Well, it’s like any other religion, man. It’s (25:44) like, ka-ching, ka-ching.So that’s why they allowed to have a wife and kids so they could (25:50) really maximize that profit. Yeah. But yeah, on the, the cutting government thing, I think (25:56) they’re more than happy to cut these federal workers who don’t really do anything.They’re (26:01) just bureaucrats sitting up there, but they will not cut the military. That’s, that’s for sure. (26:07) Right.And in addition, how many jobs were added in the government over these last four years? (26:13) Those, those employee numbers were hacked with useless filler government bullshit jobs. (26:22) Absolutely. Now, I don’t know if those are the ones being cut.Okay. And I’d rather overcut (26:27) than undercut and work it back. Let’s not, I’m, that’s how I’d rather be, but I don’t want any (26:31) of it to be honest.You know? Yeah. I wouldn’t, I would cut the whole thing. Cut it all.(26:38) So do you think, do you think it is more just like a general distraction? (26:45) Yes. Also, I think they’re okay with government being more efficient because then they have more (26:51) money to spend on the shit that they want to do rather than paying salaries of people that just (26:56) sit there. Don’t even come into work.What was your, when they initially said, (27:01) oh, we’re going to cut you all a check back. Yeah. What was it? Was your initial knee jerk? (27:07) He’s like, well, we’re fucking drowning anyway.You might as well give me the money. Or is like, (27:11) can we apply that to just our debt and maybe buy something? (27:15) I don’t want to pay the debt. Fuck the debt.I want to default. (27:20) You wanted the paycheck. Yeah.Give me the money. I can use it better. (27:24) Jason’s a liar.Everybody’s not libertarian in the economy with $5,000. (27:28) All right. Okay.Any more thoughts on RFK? Because I have one more question for you before we do move (27:36) on for sure. No, just to want to mention his brain worm as well. I think we, we missed that one.(27:44) That might be it. Schmooly the brain worm. (27:49) A brain worm that ate a six sided star into his brain.(27:53) Oh my God. That’s the next meme is going to be RFK’s brain with a freaking star and David eating (28:00) out of it. Dude.Oh my God. We’ve just got the next meme. I’ve never made a meme.So maybe that’d be (28:06) the first one. There it is. That’s hilarious.So before we do move on, because it’s, it kind (28:12) of all wraps up. What do they have on Tulsi? What happened to Trump? Yemen shouldn’t do it. (28:20) This is awful.Syria, we shouldn’t be anything. What can you explain? What are your thoughts on (28:25) what happened? Yeah. I think you’re referring to the leaked signal chat that came out.(28:32) Oh yeah. But, but Tulsi’s one 80. She was not in, she was not for bombing Yemen.How come JD (28:38) Vance was the only one who had any like nudge saying, Hey guys, is this even in our interest? (28:44) Like he wasn’t even fighting it. Let’s he was that kid. You know, you have a gang of kids (28:48) and the kid doesn’t want to do it at all, but he just can’t say it.So he has to kind of say (28:53) it half. Like, Hey guys, are you, are you sure you guys want to do this? That was JD Vance in (28:59) that signal chat. And they’re like, fuck yes.We want to do a JD. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, (29:05) you’re right.Let’s get them guys. So that’s what it felt like. What are your thoughts on that? (29:11) That whole thing? Uh, I think she’s been full of shit, man.Uh, yeah, she kind of comes in antiwar, (29:18) but remember she’s been a Democrat the whole time. Like she never really changed on that. (29:24) She’s been in the military, so she has some like reverence for the institution of the military.(29:30) I think that, you know, just also like you follow orders, I guess. Like, I don’t, (29:37) I really don’t understand this cause I would not be able to do it. Like if I had that position (29:42) where I reported to the president, the president says, go do this fucked up shit.I would say no, (29:48) like I can’t, no, I’m not doing that. You know what I mean? Yeah. 100%.100%. I just found it (29:56) odd because she spoke so vehemently against specifically Syria, specifically Yemen, (30:02) specifically used her story of going into Iraq in nine 11 and why it’s wrong that we’re in these (30:08) places. And now it’s like fucking let’s go bitches.Bomb, bomb, fire cracker, whatever. (30:16) High five, American flag, fist bump. There’s this idea that I hear from conservatives a lot (30:23) is like, Oh yeah, well they, they know things like that.We just not are, we’re not allowed (30:29) to know as the public, you know, like the government, once they get in there, they actually (30:33) see all the classified information and everything. So they know, and then, Oh, they realize, (30:38) okay, we actually do have to do this, which is always felt like a bullshit excuse to me. (30:43) Just supporting the government because they said so like, no, not for me, but maybe she (30:52) found out some information where she’s like, okay, we actually do have to do this.Is there (31:01) Nope. I lost you for a little bit. (31:04) Hello.Hold on. We cut out for a little bit. Okay.So are you there? Yeah. You good? (31:14) Okay. I’m good.Um, yeah. Yeah. You lost on, you were talking about Tulsi right? That last, (31:21) that last section.Could you repeat that last section is where you froze out, sir? (31:24) Is it possible that she just, she got in there, she heard some classified information that was (31:30) real and she decided, okay, this actually does need to be done. Is that, is that a possibility? (31:36) I do think it is a possibility, but it feels like some of these specific politicians, (31:46) I think Tulsi is one of them. Like they’d be transparent as to their change of heart.(31:52) Like they’d be like, yes, I did feel like Yemen wasn’t a problem, but I was just given some new (31:58) information that’s classified. Unfortunately I can’t share that, but it’s changed my thought (32:02) on Yemen. I mean, is that that hard to do that when you like you’ve, the thing is you’ve built, (32:09) it’s hard to build political credibility nowadays because Bernie’s a little cock now, right? Like (32:14) look at Bernie and AOC are like, who the fuck are these people that were, that was Bernie.(32:19) That’s not the whatever. Right. Like it’s confusing.So, but like a Tulsi, it’s like (32:26) coming back with humility. Like Tucker Carlson is not good or bad because he believes I like what (32:31) he believes. I like what I, what, why Tucker Carlson has my admiration is he goes, I was wrong before (32:38) I was lied to.And I had to do my own research to figure out the truth. And once, and that’s (32:43) what I’m seeking. And if it changes, then I’ll change my mind.And I think people would give (32:49) so much more grace if someone did that, you know, came from that side of, yeah, Yemen’s a lot more (32:55) tricky than I thought. You know what? It is a lot more dire. We do need to go in there, (33:00) but killing one guy.Yeah. You’re also got this entrenched, just institutional power within the (33:07) military that you’ve got to battle too. So they’re probably all on board for the, you know, continuing (33:13) the violence, continuing the wars.Oh, we have our hammers. What are we going to do? Job security. (33:18) Yeah.We’ve got this big military. We got to use it. Can’t just sit there.It just sit there. Can’t (33:25) war to fight. But yeah, the way they were talking on that chat, it’s just like, they didn’t even (33:32) need to do this.They were saying that we’re bailing out Europe, you know, it wasn’t for us. (33:37) It wasn’t for America’s national interest. Right.And to be clear, I don’t want to get (33:44) into the politics specifically of it. However, it’s all, it was only about 3% of our waterways. (33:51) Israel is getting attacked.Why they are attacking is because allegedly Israel broke the ceasefire. (33:57) Not because, not because Gaza or not because Hamas did. Houthis are the poorest freaking (34:03) country in the poorest region in the world.Okay. And not the oil part. We’re talking about the (34:09) people are absolutely dirt poor.Okay. None of those people have any of that wealth. (34:13) And to think that they would fight because they have to fight.It’s a principle. It’s (34:19) actually a principled fight that they’re fighting. You can disagree with their principles.You can (34:24) disagree all you want, but to act like they are not fighting for a principle because it’s actually, (34:29) they are poor. They have nothing. Uh, it’s, it’s so, why can we not just take a step back and go, (34:36) what are we doing this for? Who are we doing this to get the head rocket guy? Oh yeah.(34:42) Let’s wait until he walks into his girlfriend’s apartment and then just level the fucking (34:46) apartment. That seems like very tactic, very smart, sharp tactics. Like, yeah.You know, (34:54) it’s so frustrating because we have these amazing tools that we can’t even use to that extent. You (34:59) know what I mean? I don’t know. It’s crazy.Yeah, man. That’s about the extent of my knowledge (35:04) on the whole situation over there. So I’m not, not going to get too into it, but it just seems like, (35:11) uh, yeah, big giant taking on the little guy and the giant’s just crushing everybody.And for what, (35:17) like really, I don’t know. Yeah. And they’re like, Hey, Iran, stay out of the way while we (35:23) stomp on all your, all your little friends.And you’re like, and they’re literally like, (35:28) okay, we’ve been staying out pretty much this whole time. Let’s be honest. You haven’t heard (35:33) much from Iran.I mean, there’s going to be a fall flat. Do you think a false flag event’s (35:36) going to happen? Is that what’s going to pull? They’re going to pull us in. Something will (35:40) happen.I, yeah, I think the whole thing is a false flag. Everything they do, everything. (35:49) No, it’s a good point.I feel like we’re just pushing on them till they, (35:52) till they strike back and go, see, see, they struck at us. See, see, that’s what happens. (35:57) It’s like taking an animal, right.And cornering it. And then it, it lashes out at you. And you’re (36:01) like, it’s one of those dangerous animals again.Let’s go arm these terrorists. Oh, (36:06) they attacked us too. Oh, here we go.Let’s arm a new set of terrorists. (36:13) Let’s go back to Japan, right? That eight, that eight page or that eight point bulletin point (36:17) to starve Japan of oil. So they have to do something because they literally are dying.(36:23) You know, it’s like, okay. Anyway. All right.My friend, I think we’ve beaten that horse. (36:29) It’s all crazy. It’s all crazy.Well, if by, if by Yemen, you mean the country that has really (36:36) poor people in it, then I’m all for it. But if you mean Yemen, the country that has the terrorists, (36:42) then I am for sure against it, sir. Exactly.Exactly. Great example (36:48) of an, if by whiskey statement. All right, man, where are we at? (36:55) Where do we go with this? So do you want to play the speech? So we’ll get back to it again.This (37:01) was Noah sweat at the time, a 28 year old politician, a state Senator, state representative. (37:09) And he was asked about prohibition because at the time in Mississippi, they were trying, (37:15) it was a hot button issue. They were trying to get rid of it.I think they finally did around (37:21) 1966. So this is still 14 years before that. I looked that up and I was, I was telling, (37:27) I was telling my girlfriend that they didn’t stop prohibition until 1966.(37:34) Yeah. How crazy. And it ended nationally in 33 states rights.Everybody states rights. That’s (37:40) what we got to say to that, right? Yeah. Who cares? That’d be cool.If there’s a dry state, (37:44) I wouldn’t care. I just wouldn’t live there, but fine. Whatever.If that’s what they want. Sure. (37:49) Exactly.That’s what it is. Once again, we talk about 1913 being the worst year ever. So, (37:54) all right, my friend, here we go.(38:01) My friends, I had not intended to discuss this controversial issue at this particular time. (38:09) However, I want you to know that I do not shun controversy. On the contrary, (38:17) I will take a stand on any issue at any time, regardless of how fraught with controversy it (38:23) might be.You have asked me how I feel about whiskey. All right, here’s how I feel about (38:30) whiskey. If when you say whiskey, you mean the devil’s brew, the poison scourge, the bloody (38:37) monster that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys homes, creates misery and poverty.(38:46) Ye literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children. If you mean the evil drink (38:53) that topples Christian man and woman from the pinnacle of righteous, gracious living into the (39:00) bottomless pit of degradation and despair and shame and helplessness and hopelessness, (39:06) then I certainly am against it. But if when you say whiskey, you mean the oil of conversation, (39:14) the philosophic wine, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song (39:21) in their hearts and laughter on their lips and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes.If you (39:27) mean Christmas cheer, if you mean that stimulating drink that puts a spring in the old chap on a (39:35) frosty, crispy morning, if you mean that drink which enables a man to magnify his joy and happiness (39:43) and to forget, if only for a little while, all of life’s great tragedies and heartaches and sorrows. (39:51) If you mean that drink, the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of dollars, (39:59) which are used to provide tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, (40:07) our dumb, our pitiful aged at infirm, to build highways and hospitals and schools, (40:15) then certainly I am for it. This is my stand.I will not retreat from it and I will not compromise. (40:28) I will not retreat from it as his whole speech is a retreat. That’s hilarious.Isn’t that the best? (40:34) Yeah. Oh, man. When you said, like I said, it’s like something clicked when you said, (40:40) when you mentioned If By Whiskey, man, and it really is.This is such a perfect name for one (40:45) of these shows. And then you looked it up and there wasn’t really anything about it. (40:49) It was kind of weird.Yeah. If By Israel, you mean. (40:56) The oppressed people, the children of Moses who went through the desert for 40 years straight (41:03) from the Egyptians who ran from the Nazis in the 30s and the 40s.If you mean by those Israelis, (41:13) then I am most certainly for them. That was beautiful. Beautiful.(41:19) I won’t do the against because then I’ll just be an anti-Semite again. (41:22) Yeah. Someone’s going to clip it out, make you look crazy.(41:26) I’m just going to leave it there. Yeah. So, so the first half he’s (41:31) saying all the things that are just horrible.Oh, whiskey is the worst thing. It ruins people’s (41:36) lives. But think of the children.And then the second half, complete opposite. (41:42) In the same minute, he’s talking about how bad it is and then how great it is. And then, (41:50) it’s like, this is my stand.I’m not going to back away from it. It’s kind of genius. (41:57) It’s also, it’s just kind of like poking fun at the whole thing.It’s kind of one of those (42:03) times where you just, you know, that the facade drops and you just see how ridiculous the whole (42:09) thing is. That’s what I think of politics. Yeah.It’s all doublespeak. And it’s funny because (42:19) we’ve got like three really short examples of these if by whiskeys in real life, but it’s like, (42:23) you don’t even realize some of these spots where you, where you have it. And sometimes you only (42:28) say the one half because you’re not, you’re against it, but you’re not going to really (42:32) say you’re against it.You’re just kind of kind of make a little bit of a point. Right. Yeah.(42:38) And which one do you choose? Would you, if you were doing an if by whiskey speech, would you (42:43) choose your, your actual stance? Would you make that your first part or your second part? (42:50) It’s a good question. I’d probably make it the second part because you can get the (42:57) bullshit out of the way, and then you can say what you actually think. This is kind of like a, (43:01) you know, putting a caveat before you say something like, Oh yeah, of course I like (43:06) these people, but, and then everything you said before the word, but it doesn’t count.(43:11) Right. If by military arms, you mean nuclear weapons, then I most certainly am for gun control, (43:18) but if by gun control, you mean the PP, the, the red range, all my ranger in, (43:24) in the Christmas store, then I am for against gun control. Yeah, exactly.And it is fun. Cause it is (43:33) the, it is a fun experiment. What, what are some of the ones where you find, if you look back, (43:38) do you think of any ones where you see that happening? The if by whiskey in your assessment (43:45) or people using it with you? Nah, I mean, you kind of see this on like climate change stuff, (43:53) like, well, if by, you know, climate change, if by climate change action, you mean the taxes that (44:00) cause hardworking families to, you know, have less money in their pocket and destroying the (44:05) industries and putting undue regulations on companies, then of course I’m against that.(44:11) But if you mean just taking care of our planet, watching for pollution, preventing people from (44:17) dumping things in rivers, then of course I’m a hundred percent behind that. Do you think (44:24) the, they use an F by for those goddamn plastic straws? If by plastic straws, you mean the, (44:33) you mean these little tubes where you suck juices through and have nutrition, then I’m most for (44:39) them. However, if you mean plastic straws is shoved up a turtle’s nose, then I am most certainly (44:46) against the scourge of the turtle population.By the way, allegedly they found this many (44:54) turtles with a straw on their nose, this many one and the whole industry changed too many. (45:01) And what we did was we started what we do. We take, we took plastic straws wrapped in paper, (45:07) and now we came paper straws wrapped in plastic.And to be fair, that turtle was also a cocaine (45:13) addict. So he had a reason to have it got up in the eighties. Wasn’t it like a Miami vice turtle? (45:19) I think.Yeah. Yeah. So I blame Columbia.It’s their fault. It’s we can blame Argentina again. (45:29) Cause of the Nazis.Yeah. Cause allegedly Zach is onto some weird is, I don’t know if he’s (45:36) actually serious. That’d be interesting.So I was going to share, it’s funny. Once again, (45:43) I was going to share an if by here, this is one where it is in pop culture. For example, (45:49) you guys know this show.It’s a very well-known show. Let me see if I can pull it up. (45:57) Well, America’s not perfect.So America isn’t perfect. Is that why you and your son hate us? (46:04) If by us, you mean loud mouth talk show house, which everyone seems to be in this country. (46:09) Then yes, I do hate Americans.By the way, that’s us. (46:21) When I clipped that, I’m like, Oh shit. She’s talking about us.(46:25) Hey, all right. We got, all right. What do we got here? Jason (46:32) whiskey saves the kids from toothaches.Yeah. How could you be against that? If by whiskey, (46:40) you’re going high proof or standard strain, you got to go at least a hundred proof. (46:44) 120 is where it’s at though.Isn’t it 80 is 80, not the number 40% alcohol or no? Yes. (46:51) But a hundred, you’re getting some good shit. And then the barrel strength around 120 could be a (47:01) to it.Smooth. Are you a whiskey drinker? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, trying to cut back (47:11) American, Irish Scotch, which, which, which whiskey Canadian, which one would you say you (47:15) drink? Mostly bourbon.I go with some rise too, but yeah, American. That’s why I made us spell (47:25) if by whiskey with an E the American way, not the communist Irish way. Like, uh, (47:31) or Scottish.Don’t talk about me. Scottish. Don’t talk about me.Scottish single multi little (47:36) bastard. I’ll tell you. I’ll drink my Scottish Scotch the way I want.I’ll crush you like a lot. (47:42) Um, yeah, I’m a Scotch guy. That’s why I did.I did it without the E cause I thought it’d be (47:48) catchy. And then you and, um, Valkyrie you’re like, dude, you didn’t spell it with an E. (47:54) You moron. And I’m like, okay, so she told me that I spelled it wrong.And I’m like, no, (48:02) no, no, no. And I sent her a screenshot and I’m like, it’s both. It just depends where you are.(48:08) It depends. Right? No, no. Communist party are, did she tell you, you spelled it wrong? Like (48:16) you spelled it wrong, Jason.Yeah, she did. Well, you know what though? Everybody’s been (48:22) looking out for us. Right? So thank you so much.Cause you know what? We do misspell things all (48:27) the time. So welcome everybody to our brand new relaunching. If by whiskey moving forward (48:33) from the previous Consciously Unmasked, what do we have next? My friend, (48:38) Zach says he’s a cognac guy.That’s foul. You’re incorrect. (48:45) You can’t be a cognac guy.That’s illegal. (48:50) You’re incorrect. But yeah, back, I mean, back to the speech, it’s just, (48:55) what else can we say about it? It reminds me of like this HL Mankin quote.He wrote this in 1940, (49:03) but he’s talking about politicians. He says that they seldom, if ever get there by merit alone, (49:08) at least in democratic States, they are chosen normally for quite different reasons. The chief (49:13) of which is simply their power to impress and enchant the intellectually underprivileged.(49:19) And then he goes on and says there, there are problems to be solved, but we train a man for (49:24) facing them, not by locking him up in a monastery and stuffing him with wisdom and virtue, but by (49:29) turning him loose on the stump. If he’s a smart and enterprising fellow, which he usually is, (49:35) he quickly discovers that the who he pleases the boobs a great deal more than sense, (49:41) a little bit dated on the language, but it’s just, man, (49:45) if that doesn’t describe this speech, I don’t know what does just, you got to get up there (49:54) and you got to look good. That’s really what politics is.You’re running a popularity contest. (49:59) Nobody cares about policy really. (50:04) Totally.It’s, it is great. And it’s funny because once again, the speech was in 52, (50:09) he was for it and it still didn’t get past those 66. So think about like, (50:17) like the power of the speech.I don’t know how much the culture was, but like he must, (50:22) he had a long career, even in, even though he was on the side of the thing that was losing (50:26) at the time, you know, 33 years also after the 21st amendment pass, which removed prohibition (50:34) nationally. So it took a long time. That’s a crazy.And that’s a crazy thing. And it was all (50:41) those, what the tea totalers, whatever the Bible belt that really pushed for the prohibition, (50:45) I would assume. So when they, when it did get instilled, I bet you, they were some of the (50:49) later ones to back out.Yeah. And then, and then they had a different age for drinking, right? Like (50:56) for example, we were in Pennsylvania. You could drive across the bridge to New Jersey and drink (51:01) at 18.So a lot of people go across the bridge, drink, get drunk and get in a car accident, (51:06) come home, you know, cause during it was just 21 in Pennsylvania and they didn’t make that (51:09) national drinking age 82, 84, something like that. And it was some highway thing. And once again, (51:16) the government did it.Why, how, if you didn’t agree, we just hold funds from you from your (51:21) state. So it’s not like they, they didn’t force you to make the actual thing, but if you didn’t (51:27) comply, you just got punished very badly. So everyone complied.Yeah. Yeah. And we know, (51:34) even though it was a dry state, there’s still tons of people drinking.Oh, it probably made (51:38) a lot of money. They might, I bet you the moneymakers probably want to keep it dry. (51:42) The ones that were selling it.Oh yeah. Yeah. So yes, that’s a big plus for prohibition for the, (51:49) the gangsters, people that are willing to be criminals, they’ll make a lot of money because (51:55) there’s a, there’s a want for it.You know, somebody wants it, somebody will buy it. (52:00) They’ll pay extra because it’s illegal now. So it’s hard to get.(52:05) Yeah. And we were talking about that too, is cause we were going to transition that a little (52:09) bit to the war on drugs and the war on terror. Right.So in the eighties, we get this war on (52:14) drugs and then we get these weird, I forget the guy, Rupert, Mike Rupert, Ruppert. He, (52:21) he suicided himself later, but he’s the guy in the LA thing that stands up and he’s like, (52:27) I’m aware of the CIA selling drugs to inner city youth in South central to fund the black market, (52:33) you know, the black market ops and all the drug running to fight the war on drugs. And you’re (52:36) like, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.Time out. So you’re selling drugs to fight the (52:41) war on drugs. Is that, is that to fund? Is that, is that what I’m hearing? And then you hear about (52:46) Vietnam where Vietnam was, you know, the United States government.Did you hear about Ian Carroll (52:50) did you hear Aaron Carroll on a, on Joe Rogan? No. All right. So even going back to Vietnam, (52:59) you know, all those kids that got hooked on heroin, the United States government got them (53:03) hooked on heroin.They sold the heroin to their own soldiers to fund all those black ops CIA (53:08) operations that were going on in down there to the point where, um, George H W Bush, Herbert Walker, (53:16) the father, his nickname is poppy. Not because he’s a father, but because of the seed of the (53:24) plant. Hello.Tada. And he was the head of the CIA. Right.And then he ends up becoming vice (53:31) president, president thousand points of light. He’s the one that kept pushing. He’s the one that (53:38) wanted to keep the USSR together in 91 in a weird way.Like this stuff, you couldn’t make this stuff (53:45) up. Like everybody has these weird, dope up all the soldiers to keep them like from going crazy, (53:54) from seeing all the messed up shit that happened in Vietnam. (53:56) Yeah.And they utilize that. And they, and they took advantage of that on top of it. Right.(54:01) On top of that to, to hurt every, I mean, everyone was hurt by those things. Everyone’s (54:07) hurt from addiction. That doesn’t hurt just the person addicted.It destroys families and (54:13) everything. These people do not care about us, man. That’s why we got to be on our own.(54:20) We got to do this together. You and me, our group of people, if by whiskey, let’s do it. (54:26) Yeah.So the war on drugs goes way back. Um, you could say maybe it started around 1914 (54:32) where they started with attacks. Very interesting.So they didn’t completely outlaw things, (54:40) but they have, there’s this thing called the Harrison narcotics act. They taxed and regulated (54:45) opiates and cocaine. Um, and then in 1937, they had a marijuana tax act, (54:50) which effectively criminalized weed.It was, I think it was just such a high tax that nobody (54:55) was willing to buy it. So this has been going on for a long time. And then it was (55:00) Nixon really that used, I think he’s the first one to use this phrase in the seventies where (55:07) he created the DEA.Uh, they focused on heroin and marijuana. Um, but because they outlawed these (55:15) things, they just caused worse things to come into the market. I really think that’s true.(55:21) What do you think? Yeah. So before we get dealt too deeply in the drugs, did I skip any parts (55:27) about prohibition or did I, did I put the cart before the horse on that? We’ll go back and forth. (55:33) We can bounce all over.Yeah. Uh, yeah. Cause it’s tangents, man.It’s just when thoughts pop (55:37) into my head. So once again, thank you again for all the, all you joining our new, if by whiskey, (55:43) everybody, we’re going to have this launch and we’re talking about, uh, the war on drugs (55:47) prohibition. Well, I mean, we have a case in point in the thirties, how in the twenties, (55:53) how did that work out? Criminal organizations grew out of those and those became the next group of, (55:59) of like leaders.The Kennedy’s came out of prohibition. That’s where a lot of their money, (56:06) their wealth was generated was during prohibition. So a lot of young, I call young money would be (56:11) anything in that era probably would be anything in a hundred years or less.That’s young money, (56:15) right? That’s where a lot of those things happen when there’s regulations, when there’s, uh, (56:22) limits restrictions, then there’s a market to usurp those limits and regulations and (56:28) restrictions. And that makes for a very profitable business if you can be good at it. (56:36) And I think removing those things, never having them removes any incentive to, to need to have (56:41) that.Yeah. If people had their booze, people had their pot, they don’t really go to other stuff. I (56:48) mean, cause that’s controllable.I mean, people definitely abuse it, but you can kind of, you know, (56:53) you can have a little bit and you’re fine. It’d be all right. So like everybody knows about Al (56:59) Capone, the rise of the organized crime and everything.Speakeasies are an interesting (57:03) thing. Uh, I found this estimate that there were 30,000 or more speakeasies in New York city alone. (57:11) 30,000, 30,000.And these became like places where, yeah, you can go get your booze illegally, (57:18) right? But then you’re in there, you’re like, Ooh, what else? What else is going on? (57:24) You’ve got your solicitation of people. You’ve got your human trafficking. (57:28) Trafficking.Yeah. You’ve got harder drugs. All, you know, all these things, (57:33) they become like a hub because there’s a legal activity.You’re like, Ooh, what else are we (57:38) willing to do here? What else do people want? So it creates the market for it, which is really (57:44) interesting. And then that would even include stupid things like Cuban cigars. Yeah.They’re (57:50) back under embargo, right? Like literally imagine like you, the U S government literally destroys (57:58) your life over you having a rolled up piece of tobacco in your pocket because it came from the (58:05) wrong coordinates on the map. Yeah. Yeah.I mean, it’s, it’s crazy, right? Like we look at like (58:11) I I’m watching the war, I’m watching the war stuff still with, with Russia and everything. And (58:16) they’re talking about, we need to increase embargo or restriction. You’re like, (58:20) how good, what has that done for you? They’ve worked around it for two fucking years.Now (58:25) you’ve literally, you maybe you should have done it all in one shot the first month and just took (58:29) their legs out from under them, but slowly increasing them has given them ways to your (58:34) point of having, finding avenues around it. Like, yeah, exactly. And we don’t learn Jason.(58:41) We don’t learn. We come, like I said, prohibitions one, the petrol dollar, the U S dollar, (58:45) we stand on Russia’s throat and Russia was it. Russia used to deal with like 70% U S petrol (58:52) dollar.Now they’re in the 30% and it’s been replaced by rupees and rupees and wins. So it’s (58:57) like, we’ve now screwed ourselves with our tyranny. You know, it’s like that clenching of (59:04) the fist.The more you tighten your fist, the more slipped through your fingers. (59:10) And it creates violence, you know, all these rival gangs battling each other, fighting it out (59:15) over control because it is an illegal thing. They can’t go to the security.They can’t go (59:20) to protect law enforcement or anything, whatever form that would take. But yeah, it just, you know, (59:27) it caused a lot of bad things. And then it doesn’t even stop people drinking.So the (59:32) intention of the law or, you know, prohibition and alcohol specifically didn’t stop people (59:38) drinking. People still did it. They just did it illegally.And maybe they get, you know, these, (59:43) who knows who’s making it, you know, they don’t have controls on, uh, how safe it is, you know, (59:52) the California opium den act of 1881. I don’t know that one. (59:56) Yeah.If you have a link on that one, Zach, we’re happy to, we’ll put it up for it. (1:00:00) And then he also wanted to talk about that. Interesting.(1:00:06) Yeah. So I’ve, yeah, I see, I saw a stat that said that initially drinking, you know, the, (1:00:12) the rate dropped by about 30%, but quickly rebounded right back up before (1:00:18) prohibition ended. So yeah, it really didn’t help.(1:00:22) Yeah. And that’s the thing is, so whatever group was the people that were in charge of the (1:00:29) prohibition, anyone watch like boardwalk empire and look at the, the good, bad guy, right? The (1:00:34) guy is ATF, but it wasn’t ATF yet. Right.It was something else, part of ATF. And he was like (1:00:39) tobacco and alcohol or something. It was whatever, um, the predecessor.Well, then those guys all (1:00:45) need something to do when they get out of, out of that alcohol prohibition. So what do they do? Oh, (1:00:50) we need new enemy. So they make one up reefer madness, everybody, marijuana, cannabis, (1:00:56) the thing that’s actually calms you down instead of wants you to fight.Like the, (1:01:00) if you had a choice between alcohol and cannabis, honestly, the better choice, (1:01:05) the less bad choice was, was the one they didn’t choose, but didn’t matter because alcohol was now (1:01:10) legal. So we had to find some way to keep these guys, get their jobs, keep, keep their foot on, (1:01:17) you know, on the public and keep their criminality down and keep people in check. Right.(1:01:22) So they had this reefer madness, which was once again, a corporate thing by scripts, (1:01:25) the guy who owned all the, all the newspapers and the guy who owned all the, all the lumber (1:01:30) yards for the paper. Cause hemp was, you could make into a paper. So they made hemp and marijuana (1:01:35) and they combined them.And then they took that ATF and they just switched the, into this war (1:01:41) on drugs after that. And it’s time and time again, just watching it down. Like it’s that (1:01:46) I’ve been talking to the shell game.We call it the shell game. We, we just moved from one (1:01:51) other thing to another topic. And it’s like shiny metal objects are everywhere, you know? (1:01:56) And then you get to what happened at Waco, the ATF coming in and, Oh, your gun barrel is too short.(1:02:04) We better shoot up this whole entire house and light it up. Don’t forget setting them on fire. (1:02:10) Yeah.It’s disgusting. We got named individual names, a guy who was, uh, who had this gun was (1:02:18) on his knees and they kept giving them directions and they kept like confusing them and then just, (1:02:22) just shot them in the back. I forget Derek was a Derek somebody, or there was another one that (1:02:28) was just recent, like not recent happened, but it was posted recently.I saw that, you know, (1:02:32) you get all those interesting stories, you know, the one where they shot the wife and the dog in (1:02:37) front of the, like, what the fuck, man? So once again, takeaway government’s no fun. (1:02:46) Yeah. So that they don’t have to completely prohibit it.Right. They can also use taxes. (1:02:51) We mentioned taxes.The phrase syntax is out there. That’s taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, (1:02:58) marijuana. Now that it’s pretty much legalized in most of the country.Um, they use these things as (1:03:04) like, well, okay, you’re going to do it. We’re going to now regulate the industry and you can (1:03:10) only make certain things with certain levels of alcohol or THC or tobacco. And you have to have (1:03:15) these filters and you can’t do this and that, and that’s, you can’t buy cigars from Cuba.Like, (1:03:22) okay, they do these taxes. Right. And it’s supposed to like, I guess, dissuade people (1:03:29) from using those products, but it doesn’t, it just makes them have to spend more.(1:03:35) And then it gives money to our government who goes and bombs Iran (1:03:39) or Yemen or whatever. Taxes. And they say, well, the taxes are going to protect women and children (1:03:44) and to go against anti-drug drug programs while we sell you drugs.You’re like, okay, so this is (1:03:50) going to go against it. Okay. Yeah.Right. Got it. Yeah.So you’re full of shit. I get it now. (1:03:56) You know, but it, but it is fun to that point, right? You’re saying the syntax and now where’s (1:04:03) the syntax on fucking sugary sodas, Jason, it’s not just like, give her anybody watch a demolition (1:04:10) man.That’s a great example of watching a civilization get completely sanitized to become (1:04:16) nothing but a sanitary wipe. You know what I’m talking about? Right. That movie.So there’s a (1:04:24) Wesley Snipes is the bad guy and Sylvester Stallone’s a good guy. And let me tell you, (1:04:28) Jason, I have it on laser disc. So screw you, buddy.Yeah, that’s right. You don’t even know (1:04:32) what a laser disc is. That’s right.Anyway, it’s in the future. And basically it’s very sterile. (1:04:43) It’s just every, no, one’s allowed to curse.You get, you get, you know, you get a demerit or a (1:04:48) credit charge if you say the F word or whatever. So basically they try to, uh, was it a tax your (1:04:55) behavior? You cannot tax behavior people. You cannot do it.It does not work. People are going (1:05:01) to do what they do. Your face looks rude.Your, your screen just went out. Nope. Hello.Can you (1:05:07) see me? No, no, no. I mean, it went like from bright to dark on your face. I know you’re (1:05:13) watching or something.No, no, you’re good. Yeah. Just, I think you had something on your, (1:05:17) on your laptop.You’re watching or something. I was trying to find that California opium den (1:05:22) thing. Oh, okay.Got it. Yeah. If you happen to let me know, I can, I can put it up there, (1:05:28) but, uh, let me see.Can I, can I do that? No, I can’t copy and paste. I don’t think (1:05:39) 1875 San Francisco enacted the nation’s first anti-drug law, an ordinance banning opium dens, (1:05:45) which were establishments where opium was sold and smoked. Hmm.This is not 1881. (1:05:54) So somebody’s lying. I’ll say Google.Yeah, sure. It’s always a gooks. Yeah.It’s always a gooks. (1:06:04) So yeah. So the syntax is so interesting because, and what’s interesting in Arizona, (1:06:08) if you have a medical license for cannabis, it’s about $300 for every two years.(1:06:16) However, you only pay the sales tax in the city you’re in. But if you don’t have a medical and (1:06:23) you just have, and you also get access to different medical type, different products. (1:06:27) But if you have a recreational car, if you have recreation, you just walk into a place, (1:06:32) you can do that in Arizona.Now you pay an extra 16%. Yes. So in, for example, Tempe, (1:06:40) not that I would know, you would pay 24.3% tax on recreational cannabis.(1:06:48) Yeah. And of course, if you tried to create your own market and say, Hey, I’m not paying these (1:06:52) taxes. They’re, they’re going to come for you.They’re not letting you do that. (1:06:56) Also in the medical card, it says you can’t grow your own. So there’s your point.You want, (1:07:00) they’re making money either way. Right? That’s my point. They monetize this stuff.(1:07:04) They monetize your behavior, but they don’t give a shit about behavior. Look at their behavior. (1:07:11) Yeah.It’s so, it’s silly. It’s so silly. Yeah.I mean, the people making these laws are out (1:07:16) there doing the same things, doing coke and drinking and smoking pot. They’re all, they’re (1:07:20) all doing it. Gavin Newsom and Nancy Pelosi were not wearing their masks.We have video footage (1:07:27) of it. Right. They don’t care.Yes. Anytime you see something like this, you know, they don’t (1:07:32) care about it. They want to figure out how to control you and how to make more money.That’s, (1:07:38) that’s the two big ones. And all these, this prohibition stuff ties back to some (1:07:45) really deep, like racist stuff, because the reason they targeted the opium and, (1:07:52) and the cocaine is because they wanted to target the Chinese people and South Americans or Latin (1:07:58) Americans. So there’s a very deep racial tie to the prohibition stuff.And we do see it, (1:08:06) how it plays out in which populations are more imprisoned, because I don’t believe that Black (1:08:12) people are more prone to do drugs than white people, but there are a lot more of them are (1:08:17) in prison for it. Great point that, so I was going to mention that too, but I didn’t want to sound (1:08:23) like a racist prick, but yeah, the opium was clearly against Chinese. I’m, I’m trying to show (1:08:28) I I’m a little ignorant cause I’m an East coast guy.So I’m not very familiar with how the West, (1:08:32) like I’m familiar with how the West was built and grow grew or everything. But obviously there was (1:08:37) a lot of Chinese immigrants for the railroad expansions, correct? A lot of Chinese like (1:08:41) workers and stuff. And I’m assuming it must’ve been right around that time, 1800, 1850, 1880 (1:08:46) trained like those rail, that’s high labor.Those guys were probably working and just (1:08:52) doing dope and working. That’s probably all they were doing is just getting through the day, (1:08:56) right? Working their asses off, fingers to the bone. Right? So, and then, so to your point, (1:09:03) let’s go back to the war on drugs, 1991 or whatever.We get this war on drugs, a three strike (1:09:07) rule, right? Then we get in the war, the gun crime law, the 1991 assault ban, assault weapon, (1:09:15) bullshit assault weapon ban. Right? So this is this disproportionately hurt these, (1:09:20) these, these affected people. Once again, to your point, Black people, African American, (1:09:24) I don’t know the term people of color.Um, let’s see. Cocaine had a different, (1:09:33) uh, like term to it. Then crack crack had like a 10 times the criminality attached to it than coke.(1:09:40) Well, rich people could do coke. Poor people did crack. So who does, who is it going to affect (1:09:46) disproportionately? If the criminality leans against the people who can’t afford it, they (1:09:52) can’t even afford the representation.They can’t afford the higher drug to get them out of the, (1:09:57) out of the problem. You know, the bigger crime problem. I mean, it just exacerbates, right? (1:10:02) And then you throw, then you throw these guys, the industry, the military, or the, um, prison (1:10:08) industry complex, right? Joe Biden was suing New Jersey to keep a, was it a, um, an immigrant (1:10:16) prison open because they get paid per person.He gets, you don’t think he gets a kickback. (1:10:21) Come on. He’s been in the pocket of the crime of crime with his cool crime bills in the nineties.(1:10:29) It’s all smoke and mirrors. Everybody. They do not care about you.They do not want this. They (1:10:34) do. They don’t want it to be safe.They just want people in prison and they want us to blame each (1:10:38) other for it. Yeah. And they, they are racist going back to early 1900s.All the presidents (1:10:49) were like openly racist. Woodrow Wilson, FDR. You want to like talk about the worst (1:10:55) of the progressive era or also very openly, uh, white supremacist Jim Crow, (1:11:02) Southern Democrats were the absolute fucking worst Jim Lyndon Johnson.I mean, come on, man, (1:11:10) that dude literally was like not a good dude. So, yeah, but they, I mean, they work, (1:11:16) they can pass these bills to do this in tax because people are like, Oh yeah, well I don’t, (1:11:21) you know, if people are doing drugs then they should pay more and they should, you know, (1:11:25) pay more for our social services or whatever. Like, so they pass because people don’t care (1:11:33) that much.I don’t know. Well, I think, I think they pass cause they spin it probably in an if (1:11:38) by way. Yeah.Let’s be, you got some, the, the people, the people are, you know, are forced (1:11:44) they can spin it to the point it’s like, and first of all, let’s be honest, everything for (1:11:49) the children or your safety. Those are, those are your two go-to’s for every government (1:11:55) tyranny you could ever do is for the, for the children, for your safety, Patriot Act and Internet (1:12:01) Safety Act and all the, come on. No, no.They just utilize those words against us, man. (1:12:08) Yeah. It’s just one of those things.All right. Yeah. I mean, (1:12:13) they’ve continued it into the, into the nineties with Clinton, (1:12:17) the 94 crime bill that became a big talking point.You know, not just drugs, but just kind of (1:12:25) harassing people in the streets. Yeah. Not, not a great thing, but a lot more people in prison.We (1:12:31) have way more people in prison than any other country per capita, I think. And yeah, they’ve (1:12:39) spent a ton of money trying to stop it, but then they go behind the scenes and run the drugs in (1:12:45) the background. So I think that they just want to control the market.That’s really it. They don’t (1:12:50) want people to have freedom. It’s all about the freedom.And, and it is industry because Kamala (1:12:59) was withholding the evidence from people who could get off of crimes and even said, (1:13:04) we have a labor shortage. If we don’t extend these, these people’s senses. I mean, I mean, (1:13:12) to argue for prison extension, not for reform sake, not like, Hey, this guy’s onto something.(1:13:18) He’s like 90% through a program. If we just keep them in prison another month, like he’ll finish (1:13:23) the program or graduate out or something. No, not like that.Nothing like that. It’s, we need them (1:13:27) in there longer so we can use their labor, like a little piece of shit slave. It’s disgusting (1:13:33) to watch that and to watch that unfold and hear that like, no wonder I remember growing up and (1:13:40) having those biases, having those disgust buys.Oh, these, these people, these people are so (1:13:48) criminals. They’re all, why are they all criminals? And why? And I don’t mean they like a, (1:13:53) like race, but like poor people are like the city folk, you know what I mean? Or whatever, (1:13:58) whatever the, however they deem the people, right? These bad guys are so bad. I mean, (1:14:02) we had a mafia problem, which was a big white problem back in the East coast, by the way, (1:14:06) just so you know, it was not a black person of color problem.So like, it is weird though. (1:14:13) They made being poor a crime. They started the war on poverty.(1:14:19) So, all right. So this is a great question with Justin before we get into that. (1:14:25) There is a question about that because once again, we were talking about how they’re (1:14:30) criminalizing those drug use so that they can keep that power.Right. And you were even talking (1:14:35) about 16% tax. So on a hundred dollars, you’re spending 16 extra dollars.So like, yeah, their (1:14:43) coffers are overflowing with money. And for what though, where’s it going? Oh, it’s earmarked for (1:14:49) something, right? Like that would be another thing. You can have some transparency.So what (1:14:53) are your thoughts on this one, Jason? Go ahead and go ahead. And Justin just jumped on that. (1:14:57) All drugs should be legal for adults.Yes, I do. And it’s not that I support drugs. (1:15:06) It’s that what we’ve been talking about prohibition actually makes it worse.(1:15:12) And so, yes, there’s going to be problems. That’s not a great solution. I understand.(1:15:17) But like, we can talk about the FDA. The FDA was created to try to stop these, you know, (1:15:25) try to make sure that we have safe drugs, safe pharmaceutical options for this. But they created (1:15:32) the problems that they were trying to stop, right? The opioid crisis.Purdue Pharma caused the opioid (1:15:41) crisis and they hid data that they knew people would get very addicted to these things. (1:15:48) Created the fentanyl crisis. And now that’s made overseas in China and I think Mexico are the two (1:15:54) main sources for fentanyl.But it just it caused people to become addicted to these things and they (1:16:00) probably wouldn’t. We probably wouldn’t have got there. Maybe we would, but (1:16:06) not so fast if the government didn’t step in and create these problems.(1:16:12) So it’s a tough situation. You know, if everything was legal, you could just go to (1:16:18) your grocery store and buy whatever you want. You can buy heroin.You can buy meth. (1:16:23) There’s going to be a lot of people that will do it and it’s not going to be good. (1:16:28) There’s, you know, but that happens now.It happens now. So I don’t know. What are your thoughts, man? (1:16:37) It is one of the best questions to ask because it is almost like the border question.Like, (1:16:44) because it’s like an all or nothing. Are you a one or a zero on this, right? (1:16:48) So if gun to my head, I’d rather legalize every drug than make every drug illegal. (1:16:56) So I don’t know if by.If by legal. If by legal, do you mean people will roam the streets, drug (1:17:07) addled, attacking children, leaving their dirty needles and spreading AIDS everywhere? (1:17:13) Then, of course, I’m against that. Of course, I’m against it.So the thing is, growing up, (1:17:20) I would say I was against all drugs. I was a pretty straight edge kid, not because I was like, (1:17:27) I just grew up straight edge. Everyone drank.Like, don’t get me wrong. Probably all the German (1:17:31) people around me were alcoholics, not my parents or anything, but like a lot of alcoholic Germans. (1:17:36) A lot of them actually fought in the in World War Two on the German side.Like, let’s not get (1:17:40) so we had some we had some guys who had some stuff to bury. OK, let’s not get ourselves. Yeah.(1:17:48) So that was going on. But any drugs were we were always like, (1:17:54) disgust, like anything. It wasn’t like in line.And I remember them handing around rock, (1:17:59) crack rock around like the police brought it in one time to like our PE class, you know, (1:18:04) health class. I remember passing around just touching it. I got that butterfly like, (1:18:08) oh, my God, I’m going to die because it’s illegal.Like because I was very much into order and very (1:18:13) much into that whole thing. But clearly, I’ve always been a defiant person, but always been (1:18:17) orderly. Never really a lawbreaker.Just I like razzing. Now, I’m like, fuck, I’m still a law (1:18:24) abiding citizen, but fuck those lawmakers and the and the people stomping on our necks enforcing (1:18:30) those laws because it’s bullshit. So I’ve really come around full.I can say that I was I think I (1:18:37) was wrong in my thinking that all this stuff should be cooking. It should all be legal. And I (1:18:41) do think this would happen.There’ll be a six month to one year overcorrection where it’d be (1:18:46) a thinning of the herd. I hate to say it. Some people with super addictive personalities are (1:18:51) going to get super hooked, but I think they’re already on it anyway.If they if they’re going (1:18:55) to get that, it’s not I do not think that these limits like outside of marijuana would be to the (1:19:02) point where it’s like they’re already addictive. People who know they’re addictive going in, (1:19:06) who don’t have addictive issues, don’t generally even think about it. They don’t consider it.(1:19:10) So I would think that there would be a spike of issues, but it would be actually very quickly (1:19:17) resolved, just like economy. If we would stay out of the economy, how it resolves itself. (1:19:22) I feel like it would resolve itself.You’d start metering your understanding of how much you can (1:19:26) take or what you can do. And once again, it doesn’t absolve you of a crime you commit while (1:19:31) you’re under the influence of a drug. I mean, we have we have crimes that are against alcohol.(1:19:37) So if you drink and drive, you if you take drugs and you and you do something horrific, (1:19:42) that’s has a penalty already with it. Right. It’s not the drug.It’s the person who acted (1:19:48) on all as a whole on that on that. Yeah. Yeah.I mean, if if meth were suddenly legal, (1:19:55) you could go down to the QT on the corner and pick up some meth. Are you are you doing it? (1:20:00) You’re going to try. No, I’m not.But but I could see you doing it. But this is the point. I do not (1:20:05) I do think initially there might be people who try it.There might be like you’re going to have (1:20:10) fringes of people who are like, OK, it’s legal now. I’m going to try it. You’ve got people who (1:20:15) are like, I’ll never try it.You’ve got people who, regardless of whether it’s legal or not, (1:20:19) are doing it. You know what I mean? But to be honest, I honestly think that this would clean (1:20:25) it up because if you had independent companies, you’d have reviews like a Yelp system for every (1:20:30) drug. No company would want to put shit in their product because if it had an adverse effect, (1:20:36) no one would buy that product.Like, honestly, you could even do this where you can make it. (1:20:41) Go ahead, make your drug. If you like obviously killing someone, you would have it.You would (1:20:46) have some kind of debt like associated murder charge with that, even if it’s third degree (1:20:50) or something. But if you want to make drugs and they get sick, then they stop taking it. (1:20:54) So you’re out of business.So it behooves you to not make a bad product. You know, (1:20:59) it’s funny how we talk about regulations and how they protect us, but it seems to actually (1:21:04) hide the corporation’s ability to tell us what’s in their stuff or hide other things, doesn’t it? (1:21:11) Right. Yeah, they have to be sneaky or not do it at all.So then you’re getting stuff off the (1:21:17) street and who knows what’s in that? That’s that’s kind of the situation. And then legality (1:21:23) is another issue because, OK, let’s say it’s illegal. What’s the punishment? Right.What are (1:21:28) we doing to people? Should somebody be locked up because they had a joint? Like, I do not agree (1:21:35) with that. All right. And the three strikes, what was the one who was the gentleman who taught (1:21:40) himself how to read? He was Brogan and he and Carol talked about it, but as a guy, he got all (1:21:46) three strikes in one instance.Like so they were even misapplying the law, you know what I mean? (1:21:50) And once again, not only that, we’re human. So you’ve got all the way through the chain from the (1:21:58) lawmaker to the judge, to the applier, to the administrator, executor, to all the way down to (1:22:03) the police officer. All have a different life, different experience, different perception of (1:22:11) their interpretation of a law perhaps.Right. So you get this guy who gets in the system and is now (1:22:18) a criminal, but he never should have been in the first place and he can’t get out. He just can’t (1:22:23) get out because he’s in that thing.He’s he can’t get a job because he’s he was a criminal. You know (1:22:27) what I mean? So it’s one of those things where it’s like the Franklin thing. I’d rather have one (1:22:31) guy, you know, is guilty, go free than a hundred or one innocent, you know, hundred hundred guilty, (1:22:36) go free than one innocent be convicted.I would err on the side of humanity in this case because (1:22:42) we’re all fallible and we should have a little more grace with each other. Yeah, for sure. (1:22:48) You know, if you get somebody addicted early, like Justin says here, what group do you think would (1:22:53) be most likely to try? Probably young adults, because that’s when we all try things.But now (1:22:57) I would say young men also. It’s the things that are extremely addictive, not all, but some. So (1:23:04) yes, that’s a risk.Now we can equate this to alcohol in Europe. Okay. So why do we have such (1:23:13) taboo thing with alcohol? Because we can’t drink till twenty one.But in Europe, it’s not a thing (1:23:18) like there’s no taboo behind it. A kid might have a sip or a half a glass or a quarter glass at 16 (1:23:24) or 18. And they don’t drive till 18, you know what I mean? It’s like reversed, you know, (1:23:30) so like I’m not right.So I do think and to Justin’s point, I think those questions are (1:23:37) correct. But I do think that we’ve seen historically it resolve itself where the (1:23:42) taboo goes away. And over time, it’s just not an issue.But yeah, you could look at what (1:23:47) happened with weed. Like, I think I actually don’t know what the stats are. But do you think (1:23:53) more people smoke weed now that it’s legal? Are they suddenly like it was like, was that holding (1:23:58) them back? I don’t know.I will say one hundred percent. Yes, I am. I can say I’m one of those (1:24:04) people.And what I can tell you is this, though, cannabis has less effect than alcohol. It makes (1:24:13) you want to chill out, want to hang out. It does not make you want to get in a car and go crazy (1:24:19) and get liquid courage.It gives you maybe a little bit of hunger, maybe a little bit of (1:24:25) creativity. You get the tingles, you wake up, no hangover. So, OK.All right. Great. I’m not saying (1:24:32) one’s better than the other.I’m just telling you, that’s how the effects of one side versus the (1:24:36) other. The other side, you get braggadocious, you lose inhibitions like it’s a different it’s a (1:24:43) different kind of thing. Which one’s better? That’s for you to decide.But they shouldn’t be. Neither (1:24:48) should be illegal. But I can guarantee when marijuana was cannabis was illegal, I wouldn’t (1:24:53) even consider it because it’s not worth.Like, I didn’t know what it gave me because I never took (1:25:00) it. But like it wouldn’t be worth any risk of any jail time for me. That’s just me.But the second (1:25:06) it was medical, I actually went and went for medical license because I’m like, I think this (1:25:11) would benefit my joints and all like all those things. So I did definitely once the legality (1:25:16) was there, I was able to. To go, yeah, for sure, there’s something about it being illegal that just (1:25:22) makes you want to do it.Maybe that’s just me. I don’t know. Now that it’s legal, I’m like, (1:25:28) I don’t care.I don’t want it. Yeah. And once again, you I came I was going to be a pilot.(1:25:35) So like when I went to college, just imagine a DUI, you’re not a pilot anymore. And you just (1:25:41) spend all that money, you know? So I had very high. There was a very risk reward thing going (1:25:48) on in my head at all times.So it wasn’t like I wouldn’t if I didn’t choose that initially, (1:25:53) maybe I’d have a different mindset about that because I knew that would be a career (1:25:57) ruiner if that makes sense. Yeah, for sure. For sure.Yeah. Well, I think drugs are bad. Okay.(1:26:11) South Park. Good reference. Good reference.Excellent reference. Justin says it’s a tough (1:26:17) one for me. General rule for me is government should stay out of our choices.But for things (1:26:21) that are extremely addictive and destructive, like heroin, it’s tough for me to give it a pass. (1:26:26) Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I but I can also tell you some of the most creative artists, (1:26:34) they do not impact any, none of their actions impact my life.And they’re heroin addicts. (1:26:40) But they bring beautiful art, music and whatever. It’s like, I look at Scott Weiland, (1:26:45) Stone Temple Pilots.And I look at Allison change, you look at all these musicians. I mean, (1:26:50) I’m not Kurt Cobain, but like, how many OD, how many OD on heroin, it opened up their mind. (1:26:55) Now it gave us a short glimpse into that world in a weird way, because I think it did open that (1:27:00) creativity.But there’s a cost. And some people will pay that price. But, but that’s like, I want (1:27:09) to drive fast.So what I don’t do drugs, but I like to drive 90 instead of 45. Well, that’s (1:27:15) probably more dangerous. I’d argue, right? Like, there’s speed limits.I mean, we could take this (1:27:22) all the way down the road of like, where do those limits really happen? And where those restrictions (1:27:26) actually save lives or say, you know, protect people? (1:27:31) Yeah, for me, it’s, I get Justin’s point. I, I agree. I don’t want people to have easy access (1:27:37) to that stuff.But then when you get into regulations, you know, you’re expanding (1:27:42) the conversation to who is in charge of it, who has enforcement power, and you get into some really (1:27:48) sticky things. You get into government bullshit, shenanigans that I’m not okay with. So if it was (1:27:54) up to me, I think legalization is the way.Totally understand people have other ideas about that. (1:28:01) But I don’t want any government. So that’s, that’s where I line up on that.(1:28:07) If by legalization, you mean only good people will get the drugs and we’ll all dance and smile (1:28:13) in circles, then I’m all for it. But if by legalization, you mean everyone possible, (1:28:18) including the riffraff and the bad guys get it, then I’m just not for it, Jason. (1:28:24) Right.Right. Yeah. (1:28:27) Oh, man.So anything else on the war on drugs, sir? (1:28:32) The war on drugs is a failure. Actually, it depends on what the intention of it was. (1:28:38) I don’t think the intention was actually to help people.I think it was to control markets. (1:28:48) 100%. So I just, we have a couple of if by whiskeys still want to share, (1:28:51) because we got a couple people here.Thank you again for spending your Monday evening with us, (1:28:55) guys. We are rebranding. Jason is down there, right there.Hello, I’m Mark. I’m over here. (1:29:01) That’s Jason.And we are if by whiskey. And we’ve been sharing some if by whiskey things, (1:29:07) people who jumped on late, please go back in time and go to the front of this. We shared the speech.(1:29:13) Jason broke down exactly where that came into his mind. And it was an awesome idea. So here’s (1:29:18) one from Fraser that I thought I’d share.And then we have one more from Pulp Fiction, but we still (1:29:22) have a little more chit-chatting to do before we call it a night. Believe me, nothing would make me (1:29:29) happier than discovering a legitimate psychic. Oh, so you’ve never found one? Well, if by psychic, (1:29:35) you mean people with above normal prescience, then a few.If you mean somebody who can beat (1:29:39) the house in Vegas, then no. There’s a weird example of that. So anyway, so there’s one from (1:29:51) the Fraser.Speaking of psychics, telepathy tapes, have you gotten into them yet? (1:29:58) Not yet. I have no time. I’m going to keep pushing, man.I’m going to keep pushing, so. (1:30:05) Yeah, man. Whoa.All right. What do we have here? Oh, hold on. I want to go back.Hold on. I want (1:30:11) to go back here. Vices aren’t crimes.Okay. So are you familiar with that? Was it a Spooner (1:30:20) that wrote that? I don’t know where it started, but yeah, it’s a pretty popular thing. (1:30:26) I think it was.I think because Zach was going to talk about it. So, (1:30:30) Jack, if you want to put down who wrote that, I think it’s a book, right? Vices are not crimes. (1:30:37) So that’s a really interesting one.And then, Zach, I’ll try to connect you and Justin after (1:30:42) so that you can give them your, I think you did a couple episodes on the crime stuff. So (1:30:47) it’d be kind of interesting. So that’s a good question.Yeah, I did one with Matthew Sands. (1:30:53) We talked about that a little bit, how basically the non-aggression principle is kind of the basis (1:31:00) for criminality. And if a crime really has to involve aggressing against someone and (1:31:06) simply doing drugs does not aggress on anybody, what you do under the influence (1:31:12) of the drugs could be an aggressive act.So yes, things should be crimes, (1:31:19) but then you get into enforcement again. Who’s doing it? I think it should be privatized. (1:31:26) Legacy, right? Zach makes a good point down there too.Legalization leads to regulation (1:31:31) and monopoly building. So yeah, good point. By legalization, I mean removing any restrictions (1:31:38) on it.I don’t mean like how they did with marijuana where it’s like, you must get this (1:31:42) license now, you must pay taxes on it. No, just leave it open. (1:31:48) Yes.And once again, Zach did confirm it is Spooner. Any criminality involves a victim, (1:31:55) to your point. So here’s another example, sex work.I’m out on a business trip in Washington, (1:32:03) DC, and some woman approaches me in a bar and she tells me that I get paid, she gets paid (1:32:08) to do stuff. And if I’d be interested, I take her back and we do our thing. Now, (1:32:14) outside of that, who’s affected? We have two consenting adults exchanging a service for a fee.(1:32:21) Now, if she has a pimp and she was sex trafficked, that’s already illegal. So that part of it is the (1:32:29) illegal part. That’s the criminal part, but that has nothing to do with the exchange that those (1:32:32) two people had in the hotel room.Because there was no victim in that portion of that act, for (1:32:39) example. Yeah, right. I actually got to wrap up pretty soon here.Yeah, absolutely. All right, (1:32:50) man. So do we want to transfer real quick about the war on terror at all or anything, how we (1:32:55) transfer, like we see war on drugs, war on alcohol, the war on terror, all these things are (1:33:00) failed things.And now we’re combining the war on drugs with the war on terror on our Southern (1:33:05) border. Any thoughts about that? You’re talking about designating the cartels as terror (1:33:11) organizations? Yeah. Yeah, that’s dumb.All right. It’s dumb. If you want to go take them out, (1:33:19) go do it, I guess.You know? Yeah, I hear you, man. No, privatized like prison, (1:33:27) privatized like I think you mean a police force being privatized, right? Yeah. (1:33:32) Mm-hmm.And Justin, it’s a rabbit hole, man. We can definitely go down that. (1:33:38) Yeah, we have to get out of that.You want to put that one on the (1:33:40) list for we’ll talk about privatization and stuff maybe in the future? (1:33:43) Sure. Yeah. (1:33:44) Sex workers are helping incels.Oh, come on. Zach is being a maniac. (1:33:57) All right.I have to share this Pulp Fiction before we go and then we’ll have a couple (1:34:01) final thoughts here. See, his business is filled to the brim (1:34:12) with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who thought their ass would age like wine.(1:34:21) If you mean in terms of vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don’t. (1:34:33) Don’t.It don’t. Vin Reigns, man. One of my favorites.(1:34:37) Yeah. War on Terror, you can follow the same logic. We try to go fight some terrorists, (1:34:42) that creates 20 more terrorists each time we kill one and more and more and more until it’s (1:34:49) a whole country against us.Who’s math is that? Well, I forget the general’s math. It’s Scott (1:34:55) Horton talks about all the time, but it’s what’s 10 minus two, 20. (1:34:59) Yeah, right.That’s literally what it is. And it’s named after a famous general. (1:35:03) And you got to ask why those people feel the need to resort to terrorism in the first place.(1:35:09) You know, I mean, it is to think that it’s just these bad to like group of people inside this (1:35:19) other group of people that are that’s just how it is, like that there’s no context of how that (1:35:26) got to be like, just like, oh, yeah, these are bad guys. Also, there’s just hate America for no (1:35:32) reason. Right.They picked up a copy of the Declaration of Independence and they’re just like, (1:35:36) what is this? This is where they want freedom in their country. They’re not even near us. (1:35:43) Well, how do we don’t even we can’t even get over there without paddling our fucking wooden boat.(1:35:48) They hate us for our freedoms. Hated for our freedoms. Mission accomplished.(1:35:53) Ten the Chinese. Anyway, so do we have any trumps? Have you have you worked on your Trump at all? (1:36:01) I feel like I’m off my game today, man. I’ll save it for next time.(1:36:04) All right. Cool. Because we need a terrorist Trump because there’s like he’s talking all (1:36:09) kinds of crazy smack.What for a third term? Oh, yeah. The third term on top of it. Yeah.(1:36:15) I heard about that today. That was fun. Watching Steve Bannon.What? Who? How? I can’t. All right. (1:36:23) That wasn’t a sentence.I know. But I said I said like a million things in that little (1:36:27) thing in my head. And why? It’s I. Steve Bannon does.I don’t understand Steve Bannon. (1:36:34) There’s something about that guy that’s not. It’s just he might not be like (1:36:39) totally their bad guy, but he’s not like really a good guy either.Yeah, I know. (1:36:46) I don’t know about that, dude. Never liked.Well, did you ever see the Eco Biosphere two or (1:36:50) whatever with him? He ended up buying the second one. I’ll share. I’ll share the documentary with (1:36:56) you.So. All right. Well, everyone, this is this has been the inaugural if by whiskey.(1:37:02) Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you to Laura for inviting me this weekend. And (1:37:08) next time Jason is going to go to the school party.It’s going to be a lot of fun. And thank (1:37:13) you for putting us number three on feed spot for for that. And Jason, welcome to our little (1:37:20) collaboration, man.Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.Congrats on number three, man. (1:37:25) Well, thank you. I really do you on the list.You helped in charge of it. You helped. You (1:37:32) definitely it was you, Zach, Sean, everybody, Jacob and Andrew, everybody really pitched in.(1:37:39) And we’ve all been working together and trying to collaborate and do stuff. Oh, there we go. (1:37:47) You, sir, before we call an evening, you have any final thoughts? (1:37:51) No, I just want to say thanks.I feel like I was a little (1:37:55) off today, but next time is going to be better. I’ll bring Trump back. (1:37:59) All right.Hey, you know what? We do have off days. You know, sometimes this does happen. We (1:38:04) all have these things where thank you for pushing yourself through, even if you were feeling a (1:38:08) little off.I didn’t even know. So thanks for, like, faking it till you made it. That’s right.(1:38:13) It went OK. Everyone, thank you very much. Eyes wide, sharp party at Justin’s house.He’s going (1:38:20) to give out the address pretty soon. Everybody get a mask because, well, we don’t have masks (1:38:25) anymore. We drop the mask.We Unconsciously Masked. And now we are if by whiskey, everybody. (1:38:32) If by whiskey.Well, thank you very much, everybody. Have a great night. (1:38:37) Take care.Jason, we’ll talk offline, my friend. Take care, everybody.