Join hosts Jason and Mark on If By Whiskey for a spirited deep dive into the evolving landscape of right-wing media following Donald Trump’s presidential election triumph. In this episode, the duo uncorks the complexities of how conservative outlets—spanning cable news giants, digital platforms, and influential X voices—have recalibrated their narratives, influence, and audiences in the wake of Trump’s victory. With their signature blend of sharp analysis, wit, and a touch of whiskey-fueled candor, Jason and Mark explore the power shifts, emerging players, and internal fractures shaping the right-wing media sphere. From the rise of populist influencers to the struggles of legacy pundits, they dissect what’s fueling the discourse and where it’s headed next. Pour a glass and tune in for a no-holds-barred conversation that’s as bold as the headlines it unpacks.
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(0:32) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone. Jason. (0:37) Good evening, sir.How are you today? (0:40) I’m doing great, man. How are you? It’s been two weeks. (0:43) I’m good.I feel rested, relaxed, I’m ready to go. (0:47) Very nice, very nice. I had to have a fill-in for us, unfortunately, so we had to do it that way.(0:54) Yeah, did you survive? How did it go? I caught the end of it. (0:57) It went well. Joel’s really good.I just never know what, like, Joel doesn’t generally do the podcast and stuff. (1:04) He’s just a really smart guy. So whenever we do podcasting, you never know how it’s going to go.(1:10) But it went great. So I love it. So welcome, everyone.(1:14) Did you learn everything about Abraham Lincoln? (1:17) We learned as much as we could. I learned that dude was kind of a prick. (1:21) He was not the coolest dude.(1:24) He was a big asshole. (1:26) And William is already on here. William, welcome.Welcome. Howdy, y’all. (1:30) And if you notice.What’s up, brother? (1:32) If you notice in the bottom right-hand corner, down that way. (1:35) Oh, we got the chat. Oh, I love it.(1:39) So what we did was we kind of rejuiced everything a little bit and did all that. (1:44) So every once in a while, we’ll put up the banner. (1:46) Once again, Jason is at Drop the Mask Channel on Rumble and at Drop the Mask Pod on X. (1:54) And we are If By Whiskey.So welcome, everyone. (1:56) We already have five people on. That’s awesome.(1:58) Thank you so much. We’ve been starting to get a lot of people on when we start. (2:02) I love that.So thank you. Thank you to everyone who’s joining us. (2:05) Jason, what do we got today, my friend? (2:08) Yo, we’re going to be talking about all the different things going on in the right-wing media.(2:14) Because there’s a whole lot. (2:15) You’ve got everything from James Lindsay, who we’ve spent three episodes now talking about the woke ride and all that bullshit. (2:23) We got Jordan Peterson going off the rails.(2:25) We got what’s going on at the Daily Wire, the Israeli wire, as some like to call it. (2:31) There’s all kinds of shit going on. (2:33) And then if you look at, you know, the kind of the old guard, the Mark Levins, the who else is in that? (2:40) Tucker Carlson.It’s all a big mess, really. (2:45) It’s hard to know what’s going on. (2:46) And if I were, I don’t consider myself on the right.(2:49) But if I were there and I still watch some of these guys to see what’s going on, I’d be a little bit confused about what I’m supposed to think. (2:56) So, yeah. Yeah.(2:58) And this this is one of the first times I can say where. (3:02) OK, so there’s the most divisive the nation’s ever been. (3:08) But like the people in the middle, you know, the ones that actually matter, the swing voters.(3:13) When I say like those people that voted Biden in 20, Trump 24, like those people, those are the people who are looking back on what the hell do we vote for? (3:22) I can only imagine what they’re saying. (3:24) Now, on top of that is the regular MAGA people who are like, oh, they’re like, why is Robert F. (3:32) Kennedy in my camp? (3:34) You know, like it’s like both of those, you know what I mean? (3:36) So like once again, the Democrats push the left, left them and pushed all of them to this other group. (3:44) That’s not really together.(3:46) I mean, most of us do each other in this. (3:49) Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of people have been pushed from the left into the right camp, like people like RFK.(3:56) Like you said, why are they here? (3:58) We have almost nothing. (3:59) Even if he’s conservative, but that’s so the right might feel good about, oh, hey, all these people are joining our team, but it’s creating this kind of chaos that’s going on. (4:11) People don’t there’s not one unified thing, if there ever was.(4:15) But it seems to be fracturing, splintering more than more than normal. (4:20) Totally. (4:21) It’s pretty crazy.(4:22) So we got a bunch of clips. (4:24) We’re ready to start. (4:25) I’m ready when you are ready to follow your lead, my friend.(4:31) Yeah, I’m good. (4:32) So let’s see what’s going on with Trump, I guess. (4:34) First, right.(4:34) There’s been a lot going on. (4:37) He’s got a big, beautiful bill that he’s been pushing through the House and the Senate. (4:42) Has it passed yet? (4:43) I’m not sure.(4:45) Do you know? (4:46) I think I don’t know if it’s passed the Senate yet, but I can you see it not? (4:50) I mean. (4:51) If it got through the House, which had some pretty decent dissenters right in the Freedom (4:55) Caucus and some other things. (4:58) They gave him the concessions.(4:59) A big, beautiful bill that promises to spend one trillion dollars on the military. (5:05) On military. (5:06) Remember.(5:08) Oh, God. (5:08) No. (5:09) And of course, you know who voted against it.(5:12) Our friend Thomas Massey. (5:14) Our true American Thomas Massey. (5:17) Thank you very much, sir.(5:18) And the other thing, too. (5:20) Do you recall literally when he started before he took office, he was talking a week before (5:25) about having the military bill. (5:28) And we’re like, holy crap.(5:30) That would save us 400 million dollars. (5:33) And now he’s increasing it 150 to go over a trillion. (5:38) And none of the doge cuts are in the bill.(5:42) None of the things that they found. (5:44) Hey, here’s all this corruption. (5:45) Here’s all this waste.(5:47) No, we’re not going to cut it. (5:49) And they’re cheering that stuff. (5:51) Doge is so awesome, bro.(5:54) Yeah. (5:54) It seems like Elon Musk is dropping out of the whatever he’s doing, his role there. (6:00) I don’t really know.(6:02) I’ve heard rumors that he’s not really involved anymore. (6:05) Yeah. (6:05) I heard he’s dropping out.(6:07) This is what I think. (6:08) I think he thought he could run it like he runs his companies. (6:12) And government is an antithesis to companies, is antithesis to efficiency.(6:21) It’s an antithesis to liberty and freedom and all the things that make real corporations (6:28) like innovative corporations like SpaceX and Tesla probably pretty great. (6:33) You know what I mean? (6:34) Yeah. (6:34) Yeah.(6:35) Well, that’s really interesting, too, because I think Trump thought the same thing when he (6:39) became president the first time. (6:41) He thought he could actually go in and run the show like running a business. (6:45) Yeah.(6:45) But of course, that’s not how it works. (6:47) You know, even even if it were functioning as it should, there’s supposed to be checks (6:51) and balances, people that can stop him from, you know, wielding absolute power this time. (6:58) It feels like he’s just ignoring that.(6:59) He’s like, OK, I’m going to do it anyway. (7:03) Oh, I am for I am says it passed the House spending can pass with 51 votes. (7:07) The balance won’t get 51 and we’ll get altered.(7:10) OK, so we may have some some tweaks to the bill in the Senate. (7:14) OK, and then that’s where it’s going to get interesting, right? (7:16) Let’s be honest. (7:17) Those tweaks come back to those House Freedom Caucus guys.(7:20) How much of a sword do they how sharp is their sword and how much are they willing to actually (7:25) land on it for the country? (7:27) This is not for their constituents. (7:28) Is this is this is a huge thing. (7:31) Now it’s going to get through.(7:32) Right. (7:32) We know that. (7:33) But this is ridiculous.(7:34) A trillion dollars for the for the Pentagon after failing. (7:39) How many after failing? (7:41) How many after the two point three trillion that Rumsfeld lost after the seven trillion (7:46) that they could couldn’t audit? (7:47) I mean, come on, man. (7:48) Come on.(7:50) Yeah. (7:50) So where I was going with the Trump thing, he thought he could be president. (7:54) He thought he could come in and run the show.(7:55) That’s not how it works normally. (7:57) But even if he could, there’s a whole the deep state behind him, which is really just (8:03) the state. (8:03) But there’s people that that run things.(8:05) The president isn’t really in charge. (8:08) And we kind of learned that between Trump and Biden, like Trump, they stopped him at (8:14) every every turn. (8:16) Right.(8:16) Biden had his brain completely turned to mush. (8:19) So he wasn’t obviously running the show. (8:23) He was not.(8:24) Someone else. (8:26) And definitely so. (8:27) And I do.(8:27) I’d argue it was blinking and Sullivan and the State Department that just were running (8:31) the show and just ran it horribly. (8:33) I mean, not look, this stuff you can you can argue. (8:37) Yeah.(8:37) Trump’s doing action. (8:38) But it’s like, once again, you and I would argue, what kind of action is this? (8:41) How authoritative is it? (8:43) How whatever? (8:43) Could it be been that beneficial? (8:45) Sure. (8:45) But net beneficial and tyrannical still can be can still happen.(8:49) Right. (8:50) Yeah. (8:52) Yeah.(8:52) The definition of net beneficial has to do a lot of work because net for who? (8:57) Exactly. (8:58) And that and that’s what it is. (8:59) Government takes and redistribute.(9:02) That’s there is it makes not a thing. (9:05) People, it makes nothing. (9:07) It makes nothing.(9:09) I can’t. (9:10) We cannot stress this enough. (9:11) So, OK, so this bill is about to come.(9:14) And Thomas Massey, our true American patriot on this Memorial Day. (9:18) Hey, welcome, everybody, on this Memorial Day. (9:20) Once again, Jesse, I know Jesse served.(9:22) Thank you for your service to all the military service men and women. (9:26) Thank you to the military government. (9:29) You can’t go fuck yourself, but that’s my one.(9:32) So here comes here comes Trump. (9:34) And this is what’s beautiful about this. (9:36) This conversation is Trump talks about Massey and fiscal hawk.(9:40) And like, it’s such a beautiful thing. (9:42) Just watching this guy dance. (9:45) I mean, is he a car salesman or a car salesman? (9:47) What is it? (9:48) All right.(9:49) You ready for this? (9:51) I’m ready. (9:52) All right. (9:52) Here we go.(9:56) I’m a fiscal hawk. (9:59) I’m a bigger fiscal hawk. (10:00) There’s nobody like me.(10:06) Because we have to fix the country. (10:08) Do you think that Thomas Massey is correct in saying this? (10:11) No, I don’t think Thomas Massey understands government. (10:15) I think he’s a grandstander, frankly.(10:17) Oh, probably. (10:18) But we don’t even talk to him much. (10:19) Look at Johnson’s face.(10:21) He’s just like trying to hold it in. (10:24) If you ask him a couple of questions, he never gives you an answer. (10:26) He just says, I’m a no.(10:28) He thinks he’s going to get publicity. (10:30) And you have that. (10:31) You have that.(10:32) They’ve got some, too. (10:34) Go ahead. (10:37) I’m the biggest fiscal hawk you’ve ever seen.(10:40) I’m a fiscal hawk and you’re a fiscal. (10:42) It makes me think of that chicken hawk thing. (10:45) Do you ever watch cartoons? (10:46) I’m a chicken hawk and you’re a chicken.(10:48) I just see that pop into my head. (10:49) And he’s like, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. (10:53) No one’s a bigger fiscal hawk than me.(10:55) No one’s a bigger fiscal hawk than me. (10:57) I’m the best. (10:59) I don’t think he knows what that means.(11:01) Oh, man. (11:07) This is great. (11:08) He thinks that means that they spend the most money.(11:12) By Trump. (11:14) Yeah. (11:16) I think he thinks that that means I spend more money.(11:20) That’s what a fiscal hawk is. (11:21) I think that’s what it is. (11:23) It’s like I spend money for government because that’s what government is supposed to do.(11:25) I don’t think he understands what government means. (11:29) Yeah. (11:30) And it’s odd the level of understanding he has for some things.(11:37) And the things he just does not. (11:39) He doesn’t know because he’s at this level where he has how many layers of people doing all different tasks that you and I are like responsible for. (11:49) Like my electric bills do.(11:51) Like I got to worry about it. (11:52) I don’t think he’s worried about his electric bill the way I’m worried about my electric bill. (11:57) You know what I mean? (11:58) Yeah.(11:58) Like those kinds of things. (12:00) Like car oil changes. (12:01) Does he concern himself with such things? (12:03) I do not think so.(12:04) And then when he gets somebody in his ear about tariffs, he’s like, well, somebody shot at you. (12:09) You must be like McKinley. (12:10) So I guess let’s do tariffs.(12:11) Abraham Lincoln loved tariffs. (12:13) So I’m like Abraham Lincoln. (12:15) Oh, that honest Abe.(12:17) And once again, thank you, Joel, for being here last week. (12:19) It was a great time. (12:20) We had a really good time with that.(12:22) So we go from Trump, who’s like, you know, mega. (12:26) We’re going to go. (12:27) We’re going to shift gears.(12:28) Who are you going to talk about next, my friend? (12:31) Well, we’re not quite shifting. (12:33) We’re still going to be talking about Trump, but somebody else has been commenting. (12:38) This came out about a week ago, right? (12:40) Yes, sir.(12:41) From a concert. (12:42) Bruce Springsteen talking in another country, by the way. (12:47) He was not even in the United States talking about this.(12:49) But this is so I work with people from Europe pretty regularly. (12:54) And this is kind of their level of understanding of what’s going on. (12:57) This is what they hear.(12:58) They hear the CNN version that everyone is a Nazi and blah, blah, blah. (13:02) It’s just like. (13:03) And this is what you’re going to hear from old Springsteen here.(13:07) Yeah. (13:07) So, well, let’s let’s paint a little context here. (13:12) Does everyone remember a little podcast that Bruce Springsteen did? (13:16) Oh, yeah.(13:16) Who is that with? (13:17) It got canceled like it was really crappy is a really crappy one. (13:20) Oh, that’s right. (13:22) President Barack Obama.(13:24) These guys were in, I don’t know, cahoots. (13:27) One would say they were canoodling and snuggling all soft and warm and fuzzy, loving America. (13:34) Oh, yeah.(13:34) Hey, Jason, do you know the email that the cabinet members that were selected for Obama? (13:39) You know who that came from, right? (13:42) Did you ever hear that story? (13:43) Do you care to enlighten me? (13:44) Yes, sir. (13:45) I would love to enlighten you. (13:47) Obama gets an email saying these are your cabinet members from J.P. (13:51) Morgan Chase.(13:53) Oh, that’s right. (13:55) They’re not the same. (13:57) They’re not two wings of the same bird.(13:59) They’re not evil, psychopathic, narcissistic pricks who want to rule everything. (14:04) No, no, Bruce. (14:06) Your guy’s nice.(14:08) Your guy is cool. (14:09) And our guy or whoever’s guy is not our guy, clearly. (14:13) But the other guy is such the evil, right? (14:16) Yeah.(14:17) Yeah. (14:17) Well, let’s hear what he says. (14:19) All right.(14:19) Yeah. (14:20) And if you want me to pause, just tell me when to pause. (14:22) Go ahead.(14:25) The mighty H.B. (14:27) Fair is here tonight to call upon the righteous power of art, of music, of rock and roll in (14:36) dangerous times. (14:38) Dangerous times. (14:40) In my home.(14:41) Unprecedented. (14:42) The America I love. (14:44) The America I drink about.(14:47) It has been a beacon of hope that liberty for 250 years is currently in the hands of (14:54) a corrupt, incompetent and treasonous monster. (15:02) Tonight, we ask all who believe in democracy and the best of our American spirit to rise (15:09) with us, raise your voices against authoritarianism and let freedom ring. (15:17) This is.(15:22) Well, well, well, raise your voices against authoritarianism. (15:30) Let freedom ring, bro. (15:31) In Manchester, England, by the way.(15:33) And I’m sorry. (15:34) Did you ever hear that Constantine Kissin statistic about arrested for social media (15:39) posts by any chance? (15:41) No, I think it’s some like in Russia, like 400 people or 600 people. (15:45) Arrested for social media posts in England.(15:48) It was like 4000. (15:50) Yeah. (15:51) And you’re like, where? (15:52) Where’s the speech? (15:53) Like, this is all an illusion.(15:55) Everybody, you know, Putin is the evil dictator. (16:00) Yeah, that’s it. (16:01) And what’s funny is, OK.(16:05) Real really quickly, interjection about the Ukraine war. (16:09) Scott Horton goes on Piers Morgan a week ago. (16:11) We can.(16:12) He talks about this thing called the self licking ice cream. (16:14) We’ve talked about it before, but Putin is literally in self licking ice cream mode. (16:20) OK, he’s taken over this whole area.(16:24) Ukraine is decimated. (16:26) America’s out. (16:27) All he has to do is go over and take that whole portion where Odessa is and all that.(16:32) And it’s all done. (16:33) He can stop. (16:34) But he’s here right now.(16:35) He still has to do this part. (16:39) He continues and he makes us look bad because it’s like we’re not just none of it’s justified. (16:44) We just know how world leaders go in it.(16:47) And then Trump. (16:48) What are you doing, Putin? (16:50) I thought I knew the guy. (16:51) He’s killing people.(16:52) I’m like, he’s a he’s a leader of his people. (16:56) What do you want him to be like? (16:58) Yeah. (16:59) Now, to be clear, Putin’s not a good guy.(17:02) Just like this is the logic people have. (17:04) Oh, well, because the news says Russia bad because Trump worked with Putin. (17:10) He talked to him at one point.(17:12) Well, obviously, he’s an evil dictator. (17:15) It’s just that is the level that people understand the world. (17:19) And it’s crazy that that’s I mean, that’s what we’re trying to do here is trying to help people get out of that.(17:24) Right. (17:25) Yeah. (17:26) So you pulled this clip because we talked about Springsteen.(17:29) Right. (17:29) We’re continuing on to this whole team with Springsteen, though. (17:33) Before we move on.(17:34) I just like he’s not 100 percent wrong. (17:37) You know, like. (17:39) Yeah.(17:40) Trump is doing some really authoritarian shit that I don’t like, but this is not unique. (17:45) Right. (17:46) He’s like America’s been a bastion of freedom and liberty for 250 years.(17:50) Like, no, it has not. (17:52) That’s the psyop. (17:54) The psyop is that America is a free country.(17:57) We’re not. (17:58) We have our income stolen for a world empire. (18:00) It’s just it is not what people think it is.(18:04) And Trump might be bad. (18:05) But what bothers me about this is that he’s just he doesn’t see it anywhere else. (18:11) Like, we only see Trump bad.(18:13) Look at Obama. (18:14) Look at Biden. (18:15) Look at Bush.(18:16) Look at Bush senior. (18:18) It just it all. (18:19) You keep going back as far as you want.(18:22) Like, they have all been bad. (18:24) They’ve all done authoritarian things. (18:26) They’ve all started wars.(18:29) It just I don’t know, man. (18:32) I’m getting I’m getting angry here. (18:34) I want you to get angry, man.(18:36) Channel that angry anger. (18:38) Yeah. (18:38) Channel your hate.(18:39) Your hatred. (18:42) No, this is perfect because it’s true. (18:45) This is the thing, man.(18:46) He’s like besties with Obama. (18:49) Obama had the most drone strikes. (18:52) Obama murdered a 16 year old and not.(18:56) US 16 year old American citizen. (18:59) And when asked about it, they said, well, his dad shouldn’t have been such a bad guy. (19:04) That’s the.(19:05) Yeah, that’s the response, man. (19:08) That’s what kills me. (19:10) Like they they are all.(19:12) Why? (19:12) Why can’t art should speak against all of it? (19:16) It shouldn’t speak on a liberal. (19:18) It will be more liberal, but it should speak against it. (19:22) Whatever it is, this thing coming this way.(19:26) And young COVID. (19:28) And then he does this. (19:29) And now he’s on the side with Springsteen.(19:31) He’s like, dude, you can’t. (19:32) You’re really picking every losing side, man. (19:34) Really? (19:34) Like, why? (19:36) Pick the side that’s right.(19:38) Yeah. (19:39) Yeah, exactly. (19:40) Like, it’s crazy, man.(19:42) It’s totally like we’re anti establishment. (19:44) But like, no, you are promoting and worshiping the establishment. (19:48) Right.(19:49) The liberal government. (19:50) The liberal government is the establishment. (19:53) Yeah.(19:53) Yeah. (19:53) They become the monster. (19:55) Right.(19:55) It’s an ancient thing. (19:56) And we talk about this. (19:58) This is where the state of the woke right media has become is they’ve got a little bit (20:01) of an anchor hold.(20:02) And now they’re trying to pigeonhole everything and wedge it all in there all as much as they (20:08) can before they lose the power. (20:10) And it’s almost like, you know what? (20:12) Maybe you should stick with the idea. (20:14) And good ideas don’t lose power.(20:18) Good ideas tend to stick around. (20:20) It just works. (20:21) I don’t know.(20:22) Call me crazy. (20:24) Bad ideas, unfortunately, also tend to stick around. (20:28) Once they’re in, it’s really hard because they’re sold with some degree of like, this (20:33) is going to do good for poor people or whatever.(20:35) And it’s just like, oh, well, now you want to take that away. (20:38) You must be evil and hate poor people. (20:40) It’s like, no, it’s not working.(20:41) Look at it. (20:42) Come on. (20:44) Yes, it’s unbelievable.(20:45) It’s totally crazy, man. (20:47) All right. (20:47) So once again, we’ve got.(20:50) Oh, God. (20:52) He said, I’m so done. (20:53) I think I should sell, move to a ranch, build a bunker rather than get off my lawn.(20:59) It is stay off my property with a rifle cocking sound. (21:03) Yeah, that might be the best thing for all of us at this point. (21:07) Find your land, defend it to your last breath.(21:11) That’s all you can do. (21:12) Yeah. (21:12) But then the ATF will come and set it on fire and then they’ll shoot your dog and go down (21:17) in a blaze of glory.(21:19) You know what? (21:20) It’s better to burn out than fade away. (21:25) All right. (21:25) I think we can move on.(21:27) Yeah. (21:27) So Trump has been saying some stupid shit like, you know, fighting with Thomas Massey (21:32) seems to happen a couple of times a year. (21:35) He has a new feud with Thomas Massey because Massey is actually principled and Trump just (21:39) wants to do whatever the hell he wants.(21:41) And it’s always on that spending bill. (21:43) Guys, listen to me. (21:45) Listen, this is I’m going to do the math for you.(21:47) It’s very simple. (21:48) I was at Freedom Fest. (21:50) Thomas Massey, we’re going to use twelve hundred dollars because I think most people got twelve (21:54) hundred.(21:54) We’ll just use that as a base number. (21:56) OK, that twelve hundred dollars was only five percent, five percent of the entire spending (22:03) bill. (22:04) So think about it.(22:05) You’ve got twelve hundred dollars in your pocket. (22:09) Ask yourself, where did the other twenty two thousand eight hundred go? (22:15) Because one twentieth, twelve hundred times twenty right to one twentieth is five percent (22:19) is twenty four thousand dollars. (22:22) So each of us put in twenty four thousand into the bill to get out twelve hundred.(22:28) And we blame the Democrats for the inflation. (22:31) We were. (22:32) You got it.(22:32) We got you guys. (22:33) We I’m not part of that. (22:35) You guys got away with that.(22:36) Like literally, I don’t know how you got away with that. (22:38) Like the economics on that. (22:40) Six point six trillion in 2020, guys.(22:42) Six point six trillion. (22:44) Who was president in 2020? (22:46) I can’t remember. (22:47) Exactly.(22:48) Warp speed. (22:49) Yeah. (22:50) Yeah.(22:51) A lot. (22:51) The initial two weeks to stop the spread. (22:53) Yeah, we’ll we’ll do it.(22:55) And that was you know what? (22:56) That’s the Trump that I don’t like. (22:58) He’s the negotiator for that part. (23:01) And he’ll negotiate liberty rights.(23:03) He’ll negotiate liberty and freedom in in a net better way. (23:08) But net better. (23:09) Once again, to your point.(23:12) Better for who? (23:14) This point. (23:14) This is a Trump we like, though, right? (23:18) This next one. (23:19) Yes.(23:19) Yeah. (23:19) The next we’re going to go. (23:20) He gave a speech in the Middle East to a bunch of the leaders there.(23:24) I don’t remember where exactly. (23:25) Was it in Saudi Arabia? (23:27) It was Riyadh. (23:27) I think you said.(23:28) Yeah. (23:29) Oh, yeah. (23:29) It was in Riyadh.(23:30) Yes. (23:31) Clearly a prepared speech because it’s very different from how he talks. (23:35) Just off the cuff.(23:36) But we’ll see it. (23:38) Let’s just get into it. (23:39) I guess.(23:40) Right. (23:41) And I’d like to preface this, too, because, like, you know, we talk about Trump like, oh, (23:46) he talks about Putin or whatever. (23:48) World leaders have a mental issue.(23:52) Can we be like you have to be wired a certain way to be able to handle that position? (23:58) Can we can we honestly say that? (24:00) Like, not everybody’s geared to handle that. (24:02) And you have to be kind of a unique individual. (24:04) So you have to be wired a certain way to want to want that position.(24:08) Right. (24:09) First place. (24:10) Exactly.(24:11) So you are you are you need to be smooth over and buttered over and cream. (24:16) You know, you need to be all judged and all that. (24:18) When these leaders talk to each other like this.(24:21) Remember, they’re speaking in their language, not ours, per se. (24:24) Right. (24:25) So but the message is better than the ones we’ve had for the last 30 years.(24:30) So I’m ready to play it, my friend. (24:32) You ready? (24:34) I’m ready. (24:34) All right.(24:35) Future where the Middle East is defined by commerce, not chaos, (24:40) where it exports technology, not terrorism, (24:42) and where people of different nations, religions and creeds are building cities together, (24:48) not bombing each other out of existence. (24:51) We don’t want that. (24:58) And what’s the one trillion budget for? (24:59) And it’s crucial for the wider world to know this great transformation has not come (25:05) from Western interventionists or flying people in beautiful planes, (25:12) giving you lectures on how to live and how to govern your own affairs.(25:15) No, the gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called (25:21) nation builders, neocons or liberal nonprofits like those who spent trillions (25:26) and trillions of dollars failing. (25:28) To develop Kabbalah, Baghdad, so many other cities. (25:34) Instead, the birth of a modern Middle East has been brought by the people of the region (25:39) themselves, the people that are right here, the people that have lived here all their lives, (25:43) developing your own sovereign countries.(25:50) All right. (25:51) All of that. (25:55) Holy crap.(25:56) When did Ron Paul join the Middle East? (26:00) Yes. (26:01) And for him to specifically call out neocons is a big deal that I don’t think he understood (26:07) what he was doing. (26:08) I think he was just reading the teleprompter.(26:10) But that’s a big deal. (26:12) Do you think neocon was in the teleprompter? (26:15) You think he threw it? (26:15) It sounded like it was in there. (26:17) But geez, man, that seems like a weird word for a speech writer to put in there.(26:24) I really want to know. (26:25) I know other people have said this. (26:27) I really want to know who wrote that speech.(26:29) Who’s behind this? (26:30) Because this is good. (26:31) This is good, Trump. (26:33) This is a good American message.(26:37) This is just a good idea. (26:39) We’ve gotten to this point, man. (26:41) Everybody’s crumbled.(26:43) There are no heroes, guys. (26:45) You can admire people. (26:47) That’s not about this.(26:48) But there are no pure heroes. (26:50) Everyone’s flawed. (26:52) So we just take the good from what they have.(26:54) When you talk about Peter Sellers, there’s still value. (26:57) There’s still some value there. (26:59) It’s just not all value.(27:02) Separate the wheat from the chaff. (27:03) Was this still when he was trying to become Pope? (27:06) Was he still in the running at this point? (27:09) It might have been, actually. (27:11) We need to be peaceful.(27:13) No wars. (27:15) That’s pretty funny. (27:19) Oh, man.(27:20) Ah, but, man. (27:23) I don’t know if this pissed people off. (27:25) But it’s got people talking, right? (27:28) The comment specifically about the neocons.(27:31) Yeah, he said, yeah, we don’t want you guys bombing each other, which is code for American bombing you. (27:38) But we don’t want that. (27:40) We don’t want you fighting each other.(27:42) You can build this on your own. (27:44) You don’t need us. (27:44) We don’t need to be nation building.(27:46) And this is the doctrine of the neocons that’s been happening for 50 plus years. (27:51) I don’t even know how long. (27:53) But they’ve been wanting.(27:55) And my best Ron Paul. (27:57) Yeah. (27:58) They’re over here because we’re over there.(28:01) Yeah. (28:02) Like, that’s literally what Trump just says. (28:04) Like, guys, you guys got this.(28:07) You guys have run your Middle East port. (28:10) You guys got this, Ottoman Empire. (28:14) Now, I don’t expect this to stick.(28:18) I don’t expect to hold him to this. (28:20) Next week, we’re going to find out he bombed Yemen again or something. (28:25) It’s not like he’s going to stick with this.(28:29) This is a speech someone wrote for him. (28:31) But again, yeah, going back to the neocons thing, people have been talking about it. (28:37) This is maybe causing problems for the right wing media who are used to being like whoever the Republican is.(28:44) We’re going to say he’s the best because we can get away with what we want to happen behind the scenes. (28:51) It doesn’t matter, Republican, Democrat, really. (28:55) And little does he know in the Twitter world, in the X-verse, whatever this is, (29:01) Douglas Murray just got his ass handed to him.(29:05) And he just wrote a book in 2005 literally titled Neoconservatism, Why We Need It. (29:11) And the president of the United States is in the Middle East. (29:15) The place that you and I, our childhood, our livelihood, it’s our Vietnam, whatever you want to call it.(29:20) It’s our albatross for our generation. (29:25) He’s literally saying the neocons. (29:27) He’s literally calling them out as they’re trying to gain this power with Israel and all these other things.(29:33) I don’t know if it was intentionally or not. (29:35) It’s like I really need to know. (29:39) It’s like a jab.(29:41) Speaking of these right-wing people, Mark Levin wrote on Twitter the other day, (29:47) Neocon is a pejorative for a Jew. (29:50) You’re a moron. (29:53) What do you mean you’re talking about this? (29:54) What do you mean we can’t go to war? (29:56) What do you mean we can’t do this? (29:57) I’m so sick of it.(29:58) Oh, my God. (29:59) This is such a crazy fucking thing. (30:00) We’ve got to do this.(30:01) That was much better than mine. (30:06) Yes. (30:06) Sorry, everybody.(30:09) Mark’s going off the rails. (30:10) He’s on the third rail. (30:11) What’s funny is, did you see Rectingwall called him out? (30:13) Because he misspelled.(30:14) He wrote pejorative and prerogative or something. (30:17) And then he deleted it. (30:18) And then Rectingwall, Rect’s like, I made him delete it.(30:22) I made him delete his tweet. (30:24) It’s hilarious. (30:26) It’s like, this is not a real place.(30:28) When Dave Chappelle’s like, this is not a real thing, dude, this is not a real place. (30:31) It’s unbelievable what we could get away with on this thing. (30:34) We’re talking to people that are actual famous people.(30:38) You know what I mean? (30:39) Like, Bridget Phetasy likes one of your posts. (30:41) And you’re like, holy, what? (30:42) Bridget Phetasy likes one of my posts? (30:44) What? (30:45) I made a funny? (30:46) Like, cool. (30:47) You know, it’s like, this is such a crazy time, Sam.(30:50) Don’t you dare use the N-word. (30:54) Oh, when he said, oh, the N-word again. (30:58) Oh, you’ve never been.(31:00) And we’re going to get there again. (31:01) We’re going to get there again. (31:02) And so, right-wing media, Trump wins.(31:05) And it’s, once again, these people aren’t together. (31:10) They got all pushed together from a really crappy left side. (31:15) And the Democrats are clearly to blame here.(31:17) And I don’t know how or why or whatever. (31:19) But it is literally whatever the Democrats did in this election, they just played everything they could do they did wrong. (31:29) From, like, what’s the Biden thing now? (31:31) He’s had cancer.(31:32) How long do you think he’s had cancer? (31:34) A long time, guys. (31:36) A long time. (31:37) How long has he had dementia? (31:38) Even longer.(31:39) Let’s not kid ourselves. (31:40) This is unbelievable. (31:42) So, it’s just interesting.(31:43) Full Jake Tapper. (31:46) Yeah. (31:47) Capitalizing on both sides.(31:48) And he’s actually in the circuit trying to step up. (31:51) And we didn’t clip the Megyn Kelly stuff, but I watched it. (31:54) And it’s gold.(31:56) But how does this guy even get away with it? (31:58) How dare he? (32:01) And what’s funny is the other author, who probably is in it for real intense, is like, uh-oh, I got sucked in with Jake Tapper, who’s, like, a total, like, prick, captured asset. (32:11) I don’t even know who the other guy is. (32:12) But, yeah.(32:13) I don’t know either. (32:14) But I’m watching him. (32:14) He looks very uncomfortable trying to answer these questions.(32:17) Because, like, I don’t he’s not the one who was on the thing going, no, he’s got a stutter and you’re a racist. (32:22) What? (32:23) What the? (32:24) What? (32:24) A stutter and you’re a racist? (32:25) I’m a racist because he has dementia? (32:27) That’s my fault? (32:29) I thought you couldn’t be racist against white people. (32:32) Yeah.(32:33) Whatever. (32:34) I’m Nazi, I guess. (32:36) Ah, see you, William.(32:38) Oh, William, take care, man. (32:40) We’ll talk to you soon. (32:42) And we’ve got 30 people on already, man.(32:44) Thank you so much for joining us on Memorial Day. (32:47) I salute. (32:48) I was not in the military, but I admire the people who served.(32:52) I was also bamboozled. (32:53) I did try to get into the military. (32:56) So I can say that I was bushwhacked into believing in America.(33:00) To all the people who died and whose lives were ruined because your government lied to you. (33:07) Thank you. (33:08) You are heroic still for believing in something and and risking your life to fight for it.(33:14) Honestly, like, it’s not your fault that your government lied to you and put you somewhere you should never have been. (33:22) Humanity’s heroic. (33:23) One hundred percent.(33:24) Like, look, we can talk whatever we want about 42 Tillman, right? (33:29) We talk about Tillman all you want. (33:31) That’s a weird one. (33:32) But the dude laid what? (33:34) Three million.(33:34) I mean, the dude, the guy did. (33:36) He followed what he felt was right. (33:39) And you can’t you know, I got to give him credit for that.(33:44) So, yeah, we’ll talk about war next time. (33:46) So that that’ll be good. (33:47) We can get into that stuff, too.(33:49) Yeah. (33:49) Yeah. (33:49) We’re in two weeks.(33:50) We’re going to talk about just war theory and all the things that Dave Smith was talking about with that Spence guy from West Point, because people aren’t getting it. (33:59) They just don’t get what we’re trying to tell them. (34:02) And now that I think about it, that would have been a great topic for Memorial Day.(34:06) But it would have been good. (34:07) I don’t think we would have been prepared enough. (34:09) We’re not that prepared.(34:10) No, we’re just clipping stuff. (34:12) So. (34:12) So it’s interesting.(34:13) Rogan. (34:14) Tim Dillon goes on Rogan last week. (34:16) And here here’s my best.(34:18) Tim Dillon. (34:18) I don’t know why. (34:21) Why, Joe? (34:22) They don’t let me come on here.(34:23) I did a full hour with those guys and they don’t want me to do it for an hour. (34:28) And they wanted to clip it or something. (34:30) I don’t know.(34:31) I’m working on it. (34:32) It’s hard to do. (34:32) But so he goes on there and he’s like, they’re not going to show the hour.(34:38) And Joe’s like, what? (34:40) Because they wanted to clip it. (34:41) They call him like, no, put it out in its entirety or don’t put it out at all. (34:45) And oh, my God.(34:47) CNN did a mitzvah, ladies and gentlemen. (34:52) Watch it. (34:53) But we’ll clip a little bit of it.(34:55) Yeah. (34:56) So, yeah, the right me the right wing media is really the topic for today. (35:00) But just to contrast for you guys, we’re going to look a little bit about the state of the (35:05) left because it’s as much as the right wing is fractured and splintered off in all different (35:11) directions.(35:12) The left is just completely dumbfounded at this point. (35:16) They don’t they don’t know what’s going on. (35:18) They don’t seem to understand how any of this works, why they’re lost, why they’re down, (35:23) why no one’s paying attention to them anymore.(35:25) They really don’t seem to get it. (35:28) They’re trying to blame it on Joe Rogan. (35:29) Oh, everybody just went over there.(35:31) But they don’t ask themselves why. (35:33) Or they’re just like, he’s a racist and everyone’s a racist. (35:36) So, fuck, that’s it.(35:38) Like, no, think a little bit deeper about it. (35:40) There’s more. (35:41) There’s obviously more to it.(35:43) So we’re going to look at this. (35:45) This Tim Dillon interview with CNN, we clipped a few things out of it just to see where the (35:50) left is at, because it’s really telling. (35:54) And it really isn’t.(35:55) And this is where it’s really telling for me is they just don’t get it. (35:59) Once again, we understand the turmoil in the in the right wing, but it’s not really the (36:04) right. (36:05) It’s just whatever.(36:05) Not the Democrats were in this election. (36:07) That’s really what it is. (36:08) It’s so simple.(36:09) People are like overanalyzing this like it’s some movement or no, no, no. (36:13) It’s literally people just got fed up with the bullshit of the last four years. (36:18) They just the normies got sick of it and they just went back to this thing.(36:23) Like they just they went back to something else. (36:25) That’s what they did. (36:25) That’s what we do.(36:26) OK, so what the left just does not understand, they still come from power. (36:32) They still only come from power. (36:34) This is this is my left and right wing things that I think that concert, whatever, left and (36:38) right.(36:39) This is the thing. (36:40) The left only believe in power. (36:42) They don’t believe in the competence.(36:45) They only believe in the power and the corruption from the power. (36:48) They don’t believe in the competence that led the person into the power in the first (36:51) place. (36:52) The Republican side, they look at the competence and the power, but they never acknowledge the (36:57) corruption that the cause from all that hard work that they put in.(37:02) So, like, it’s like it’s three legs and they’re each missing one leg of the three to help it (37:07) stand. (37:08) Right. (37:08) And that’s where I think that disconnect is with the left and the right.(37:11) This woman, she got her prominence in the Charlottesville video vice. (37:17) That’s where we know her from. (37:19) So I also recommend watching the Charlottesville video.(37:22) Obviously, it’s vice. (37:23) You’ll know. (37:24) Come on.(37:24) Very fine people. (37:25) Both sides that that one. (37:28) But the way she talks about power.(37:30) Right. (37:31) This lady also. (37:32) Let me interject.(37:33) Sorry to interrupt. (37:33) But no, no. (37:35) The interviewer, she I just like, is this really the talent that you can get on CNN? (37:42) Like, how much are you paying her? (37:43) Because she’s just like, I guess maybe they’re trying to go for like a normal person.(37:48) Like, hey, we’re just we’re just regular people. (37:51) We’re not these like, you know, power elite people on Wall Street. (37:55) And, you know, it’s just like, OK, maybe they’re trying to go for that vibe.(37:59) But she’s really just. (38:02) She’s just there. (38:03) Like she she barely exists in this interview.(38:06) You know what I mean? (38:07) Yeah. (38:07) One hundred percent. (38:08) And the more she asks like these passive type questions, the more it’s like clear how weak (38:13) the position is.(38:15) Mm hmm. (38:16) You know what I mean? (38:17) Like, she’s kind, but it’s like there’s no oomph behind what she’s at. (38:20) She’s just asking, well, are you going to use the power that you earned? (38:26) What? (38:27) Like, what are you are you going to use? (38:30) You know what I mean? (38:31) We’ve lost some power.(38:32) Therefore, you guys have it right. (38:34) It’s your power. (38:35) Like, why aren’t you bombing people? (38:41) That’s exactly right.(38:43) I’m going to start this one. (38:44) This is about the new establishment, I think. (38:46) Right.(38:47) Mm hmm. (38:48) All right. (38:48) Do you feel like you’re part of a new establishment? (38:53) I don’t think I’m part of a new establishment.(38:56) I think it would be pretty difficult to look at these podcasts. (39:00) I know it’s a popular thing right now, especially in certain media circles, (39:04) to say that after running an incredibly unpopular candidate (39:09) who was introduced very late in the race because an elderly man (39:13) who could not be the president, who everyone told (39:17) whose function was the president for four years, decided to. (39:21) This wind is wild, huh? (39:23) Yeah.(39:24) But but this is a very specific circumstance in which Kamala Harris (39:29) ran for president. (39:30) She was somewhat unpopular and she was not a star in democratic politics (39:34) before this at all. (39:36) And her communication strategy was was pretty weak.(39:41) I think most people have admitted that. (39:43) So to hang this defeat all on was pretty weak to say (39:48) that they were the problem. (39:52) I never I don’t buy.(39:54) I just don’t buy the narratives. (39:55) I don’t think I’m in the establishment. (39:56) If you weigh, again, a few comedians with podcast verse (40:01) all of the people that supported Kamala Harris, (40:06) you know, Democrat donors, billionaires, big people.(40:10) If the idea is that me and a few comedians have more power (40:14) than multibillionaires, huge media institutions, (40:19) a whole political party apparatus. (40:22) I just don’t think most people are going to buy that. (40:25) I think it seems like a great way to excuse running an unpopular candidate (40:30) on a platform that American people weren’t sold on.(40:37) So to to give the devil his due here, just to, you know, (40:45) make sure we know what we’re talking about. (40:47) I watched this whole interview. (40:49) She did not ask about why Kamala Harris lost.(40:53) She she only asked, you know, what’s going on? (40:57) Are you guys the new establishment? (40:59) And he tied it back to Kamala Harris, which it’s, you know, (41:04) it’s a fair like link to make. (41:06) But I don’t think it’s exactly what she was asking. (41:11) You know what I mean? (41:11) One hundred percent.(41:12) No, no. (41:13) What? (41:13) Yeah, absolutely. (41:14) This is the point.(41:16) They think that they just lost the power. (41:20) Mm hmm. (41:22) They just think that it just magically went to the other side.(41:28) And they’re not concerned with why at all. (41:32) And I don’t know how you can’t be self-reflective as to what could like. (41:37) OK, we get in a car accident and it’s it’s hard to determine exactly fault.(41:43) Right. (41:43) You know, he turned like on a light yellow and you were going through a red. (41:46) You know what I mean? (41:47) Like, it’s just bad accident.(41:48) But sometimes you look back. (41:49) Oh, yeah. (41:50) Maybe I shouldn’t have gone through that light or maybe I shouldn’t.(41:53) Maybe I should have stepped on the brake. (41:54) Like you do reflect. (41:56) Right.(41:56) Like, how much more could she have gotten out of him? (42:00) Like, instead of making him look or look like an idiot the way he like (42:04) down, he almost mansplained it instead of her asking it. (42:08) Like, what did what did the what did this side do wrong? (42:12) And he would clearly say, you took a demented man who was unfit (42:16) and you replaced him with a woman who was unelected. (42:21) Like, just think about just those ramifications alone.(42:24) Nothing about the politics or anything outside that you’re talking about (42:27) in America where you had no choice about your side. (42:31) So you tell me that you’re going to pick the side where you had no choice (42:34) on that side. (42:35) It’s it is so silly.(42:37) And I think watching Tim Dillon’s face is like, how do you not see this lady? (42:42) How are you so freaking stupid that you don’t see what we’re trying to show you? (42:47) Yeah, that’s that’s really where I was going to try to get to is like, yeah, (42:52) she didn’t ask that. (42:53) But that’s kind of the underlying question. (42:54) It’s like, why are we losing? (42:56) And they cannot seem to understand that we did something wrong.(43:01) Not we, they, you know. (43:03) Yeah, right. (43:03) We from their from their perspective, her perspective.(43:06) What did we do wrong? (43:08) Why are people going over to Joe Rogan? (43:09) They cannot figure it out. (43:11) They think it’s just that this, you know, this disembodied thing that is (43:16) power has transferred over. (43:18) And now it’s suddenly, oh, it’s over on the right.(43:21) As much as you can call Joe Rogan the right, you know, like, right. (43:26) It’s suddenly transferred over. (43:27) And it’s just like, no, it’s because you guys are lying.(43:32) It’s because we know you guys are lying. (43:35) It’s because you work with the power, not against it. (43:37) You’re as a journalist.(43:38) You were not supposed to be on the side of power and to think. (43:43) And again, this goes back to the Springsteen thing, too. (43:45) Like, to think that all, oh, only Republicans, only the right can use (43:50) power in a bad way.(43:51) When it’s done on the left, it’s fine. (43:53) Like, no, it’s all bad. (43:55) It’s bad on both sides.(43:57) Right. (43:57) And really the same things happen left and right. (44:00) It doesn’t really matter who’s in power.(44:02) And we look, and literally, if you just look on a piece of paper, what were (44:08) the three biggest issues? (44:11) Prices, immigration, and, like, trans something. (44:14) Something trans. (44:15) Something.(44:15) It was definitely that whole thing. (44:17) Okay. (44:18) I definitely know it’s the parents that were like, I just can’t have my (44:21) daughter getting beat up by a boy.(44:23) I just can’t have that. (44:25) I just, that is unacceptable to me. (44:27) This is my red line.(44:28) This is my don’t join NATO. (44:31) This is my don’t join NATO. (44:32) That’s really what I think it was.(44:33) I really think it was almost a singular issue. (44:35) And if it wasn’t, they wouldn’t have played that stupid commercial a (44:38) gazillion. (44:39) It was like, I think it was played like 78% of the total airtime of all (44:44) political commercials in, like, certain areas.(44:46) Now, I clearly think that that did it because it just spat in the face of (44:52) reality. (44:54) Ideology is not reality. (44:57) And these people are ideological.(45:00) They’re not realistic. (45:02) It’s just, you’re, it’s a world that you’re just, and it’s funny. (45:06) Cause I watched her accept the, like an Emmy for her Charlottesville thing (45:10) or something.(45:10) And it’s like watching the whole group of them together. (45:13) You’re like, oh, that that’s your friends. (45:15) Those are the people you hang out with.(45:17) I see how you can all see the same thing. (45:19) Cause no one fights you guys on any stupid bullshit. (45:22) You say like, hi, I’m a puppy today.(45:24) Oh, welcome puppy. (45:26) We’re going to bring you in. (45:27) Go ahead and shit in the corner.(45:29) Yeah. (45:30) They get in a huge bubble. (45:31) They don’t live in reality.(45:32) They don’t have to worry about the gas prices because they make six, (45:36) seven figures salaries, depending on, you know, (45:38) where you’re at in the, in the whole scheme of things. (45:41) But it’s just like, they’re not, they’re not living in the same world. (45:45) And to even ask this question of, are you guys the new establishment? (45:49) It’s like, no, we are actually, we are fighting against the establishment.(45:54) We do not want an establishment. (45:56) That’s the whole point. (45:57) The reason that you’re talking about us, or I’m sorry, (46:01) the establishment is the reason you’re talking about us.(46:04) Cause we are not them. (46:05) That is exactly what you’re doing and watching these people. (46:09) But it is, it is.(46:10) That’s those people at CNN just can’t get out of their own heads that they (46:14) think they own this thing. (46:16) They own nothing. (46:17) The only value they had was the coverage they had in a war.(46:21) We shouldn’t have been in. (46:24) When in wars in Iraq, (46:25) that was literally what brought them to prominence and it destroyed America, (46:31) destroyed America. (46:32) And I just watching these people act like, Oh, are you in that? (46:35) No, you are.(46:36) And we’re fighting you and you lost. (46:39) Now you need to reach. (46:40) Now you need to circle your wagons and figure out what you did wrong and try (46:44) to get it back.(46:45) Cause you can’t clench a fist. (46:46) It’s the tighter you clench a fist. (46:48) The more systems slip through your fingers.(46:52) Yeah. (46:52) And honestly, like just realistically, it wouldn’t be that hard. (46:57) You just, you have, you still have, (46:58) you still are the establishment to be real.(47:00) Like you have all the money behind you. (47:02) You have the CIA, you have the government behind you. (47:06) All it would take is you to be a little bit better at the game and making (47:10) people believe you and not just being so blatant and, (47:14) and dishonest, you know, just tell the truth a little bit.(47:19) You know, make it at least sound feasible. (47:21) You’ve completely lost the plot. (47:23) You completely made it into like so obvious that you’re lying and you’re full (47:30) of shit that no one believes you.(47:32) That is why people are not tuning in. (47:35) If it was realistic, if you would at least like say some true things, (47:41) people would be like, okay, you know, maybe they’re not always wrong. (47:44) Maybe they’re not all bad, but it’s just like, (47:46) you’re so blatant and so crazy with it.(47:49) So out, out of reality, you just, (47:52) you cannot expect to keep people tuning in when it’s so obvious, (47:57) the disparity between reality and what you’re saying. (48:02) It’s unbelievable. (48:03) And the next one is this clip, this next one, (48:06) I love it because I literally had to call it epiphany.(48:09) She, she says she has an epiphany, Jason. (48:13) Well, at least she has something. (48:14) Yeah.(48:15) But then we have to listen to what her epiphany is. (48:19) This is all right. (48:20) I’m just going to play it.(48:21) Cause it’s like, Oh yeah. (48:24) You’re so insightful. (48:26) So insightful.(48:27) All right. (48:28) Let me play it. (48:30) Let’s go.(48:31) Like in this interview, it’s like, I wonder. (48:34) It is possible that maybe the journalistic fixation on the whole podcast (48:39) thing is partly like you guys are kind of taking our jobs, (48:42) but not doing the shit. (48:45) It’s like the uncomfortable thing in the room.(48:47) That sucks. (48:48) Like, are you bad? (48:49) It’s like, like. (48:51) Are the journalists doing that? (48:52) Are they doing the, are you bad? (48:55) Is that what journalists.(48:57) Sure. (48:57) But is that what you, is your view of me? (49:01) And it’s a fair question. (49:02) Is your view of mainstream American journalism? (49:05) Calling out powerful people.(49:09) Oh, that’s the best part of this whole thing. (49:13) Honestly. (49:14) What we’re doing.(49:17) You guys are doing to Jake Tapper. (49:21) He’s got a stutter. (49:23) Jake.(49:24) He’s got a stutter. (49:26) Are you really calling out power? (49:28) Is that what you’re doing? (49:30) Are you really against them? (49:33) She just told Tim Dillon. (49:35) I’m going to argue her senior.(49:38) And it doesn’t matter. (49:39) It’s not an elder’s thing. (49:40) Okay.(49:41) But I’m going to argue that that woman is younger than Tim Dillon. (49:44) Would you, would you agree with me? (49:45) I think so. (49:46) Yeah.(49:47) But she talks about it like an epiphany is like, you’re, (49:50) you’re taking our job, but you’re not doing the shitty part. (49:55) They’re taking our jobs. (49:58) Why? (49:59) What did he take? (50:01) No, we earned your freaking jobs.(50:04) You, you wasted the credibility you had. (50:08) We’re at what? (50:08) 21% credit, but something like that in journalism, 21 in an America. (50:14) America.(50:15) And we’re finding the Bernstein’s and the Woodward’s and all these (50:19) people, people were psyops. (50:21) They’re all planted. (50:22) Anyway, (50:23) all of the news we were given was generated and cultivated to (50:26) manufacture our consent time and through, (50:29) whether it’s for government or for a corporation, (50:31) for whoever had the pay, the, who was paying the receipts at the top, (50:35) whoever was making that pay.(50:37) That’s who, that’s who calls the shot. (50:42) This is exactly what we thought. (50:44) We thought we all were free here in some weird way.(50:46) And it’s not, it’s we’re still free. (50:48) Right. (50:48) I’m sorry.(50:49) I got to just finish this out, but we’re still free, but it’s like, (50:51) we just got to realize that we, that they’re trying to limit us. (50:55) You know, (50:56) I feel very Jordan Peterson with my fingers. (50:59) Did he do this? (51:00) Then you sound very intelligent.(51:03) Weaving my thoughts through the ether. (51:08) Yeah. Anyway, no, this is exactly what I was saying though.(51:10) It was like. (51:13) If they were doing that work, right? (51:15) Like it does take work to go and find information to report on it, (51:18) to talk to people. (51:19) So she’s, she’s doing some work just to give her like the steel man (51:23) position.(51:24) They’re doing work and then podcasters come in and just talk about it. (51:27) And they’re better at it. (51:29) So that they, you know, they get more views, they get more money.(51:33) Kind of makes sense. (51:34) I get where she’s coming from, but that’s what I was saying is like, (51:37) if you were just good at telling the truth and making sure you are (51:42) actually standing up to power, standing up to abuses of power, (51:46) especially then there wouldn’t, you wouldn’t have this problem. (51:49) You wouldn’t have so many podcasters having to do this.(51:53) You know, (51:53) there’s a reason that people have to do this because you guys aren’t (51:56) telling the truth. (51:57) Like I was saying, if you just went on the news and said what was real, (52:01) you wouldn’t have to have podcasters dissecting, you know, (52:05) looking at where your biases are and understanding, oh yeah, (52:08) they’re lying because of this. (52:10) Right.(52:11) 100%. (52:12) And like, I love that. (52:13) Is that what they’re doing? (52:14) Is that worth? (52:15) No.(52:15) Which one who’s doing the real work? (52:18) Let’s be honest. (52:19) The guy who told Jake Tapper, no, just say he has a stutter. (52:22) Like don’t look into it.(52:24) Just say he has a stutter or the guy who actually is the guy who knows, (52:29) or, or he knows it. (52:31) And who does more work actively suppressing the information to get to your (52:35) means. (52:36) That’s the worst.(52:37) You’re actively suppressing knowledge that everyone should have. (52:42) And I’d love for you to answer this one, Jason, we got, (52:44) we got back in the house. (52:46) Yeah.(52:47) The guy who has been in government for 50 years and never once had a (52:51) stutter the whole time, but suddenly developed one. (52:54) Yeah. (52:54) Right.(52:55) And dementia on top. (52:56) It’s like, yeah, it was a stutter. (52:57) Right.(52:58) Right. (52:59) Anyway, Zach says, (53:00) how do you perceive we fix the outlook on media coverage, (53:03) both old legacy and new legacy to actually report on news rather than create (53:07) narratives. (53:08) You can’t.(53:09) That’s my easy answer. (53:11) You can’t. (53:12) Everyone has a narrative.(53:13) You and I are doing it right now, (53:14) even though the narrative is like truth, liberty, freedom, (53:16) it’s still a narrative. (53:18) We’re all doing it. (53:20) Yeah.(53:21) We all have a story to share. (53:23) I just, I just go back to like, (53:24) don’t be so obvious that you’re not telling the truth. (53:27) Then people will tune you out.(53:29) You know, if you can build a story, you know, that’s what we all do. (53:32) Right. (53:33) We’re building a narrative.(53:33) We’re building a story. (53:34) We’re trying to tell from our perspective, what we see going on. (53:38) That’s normal.(53:39) That’s what everyone does. (53:40) We expect that it’s when we can so obviously see that the media is lying (53:46) to us, that they’re active. (53:49) Like you said, actively suppressing real information.(53:52) That’s when, you know, it’s over. (53:54) It’s over. (53:55) Okay.(53:56) So you’re never going to get a hundred percent unbiased coverage of (53:58) anything. (53:59) It’s just impossible as humans. (54:01) Now, I think that L. (54:03) Reeve, I think that’s her name.(54:05) I do think that L. (54:06) Reeve could consider herself a journalist. (54:08) She could be like a Luke Rikowsky on the left. (54:11) Okay.(54:12) I mean, Luke Rikowsky is on the left. (54:14) I mean, I mean, Tim pool came from the left occupy. (54:17) I mean, like, so, I mean, journalism is like a, (54:20) cause it’s a liberty thing, right? (54:21) It’s more of a liberty, free press, like speech thing.(54:23) So it is a little bit leftist, but it’s more just liberty, right? (54:26) It’s just free, but like real, real classical liberal. (54:30) Like, yeah, for sure. (54:32) Not 1990s liberal.(54:34) She’s, she may not be a corporate capture corporate asset. (54:37) She’s biased in her bubble and that’s what they tell her. (54:39) But she’s also listening to the trickle down from only those sources also.(54:43) So there’s a danger there too. (54:45) Like what, (54:46) how many times do you see me send you a DM or something throughout days? (54:49) Like I’m forcing myself to watch another one of these mood shows with (54:53) somebody I disagree with. (54:54) Cause I have to like, I need to hear if there’s something there.(54:58) Cause there might be one nugget. (55:00) Once again, like we’re trying to, we’re fighting our own ideas too. (55:05) Right.(55:05) That’s the constant reflection that you and I talk about. (55:07) And this person, no, you just took the power. (55:09) So what are you, what are you going to do with it now? Huh? (55:11) What are you going to do with it? (55:12) Are you going to, you just took our power and you didn’t do anything.(55:14) You’re you’re being irresponsible and shitty with it. (55:17) So welcome to the EIB excellence in broadcasting Rush Limbaugh, (55:21) your ditto heads. (55:22) We’re going to go to the next clip cause I got to push it along here.(55:25) Cause I’m talking way too much. (55:27) Yeah. (55:27) Let’s keep it going.(55:28) Yeah. (55:28) All right. (55:29) So give her some credit for actually sitting down with Tim Dillon and, (55:33) and talking to him and listening and putting the whole interview out.(55:36) Credit for that. (55:38) I don’t see him with Aaron Burnett. (55:40) I don’t see him with, you know what I mean? (55:42) With Caitlin Collins or any of the other hard hitting CNN journalists.(55:47) Like I could imagine this is probably, they’re like, (55:49) I can’t talk to Tim Dillon. (55:51) I can’t talk to Tim. (55:52) I can’t, there’s no way I could.(55:53) Hey, no, I’m not going to do that. (55:55) And then this girl goes. (55:57) Sure.(55:57) So, you know what? (55:58) A lot of credit for that. (56:00) A lot of credit. (56:01) So here’s, here’s the comparison she makes.(56:04) Well, (56:05) in the way of one April to carry an audience along many, many hours. (56:11) And then, but two, you really did drive opinion. (56:15) I think he did for sure.(56:17) Yeah. (56:17) But I think it wasn’t said that that wasn’t said in like a, (56:20) probably in a complimentary way from your side. (56:23) This was not a hater.(56:24) This was not a hater. (56:25) This was not a hater, but. (56:26) Yeah.(56:27) Do you see or hope for some parallels with one bot in that way? (56:31) And the one you can do the solo hours. (56:34) I hope to drive opinion. (56:37) I hope to make a good show.That’s interesting. (56:40) I mean, that’s really, that’s all I’m trying to do. (56:43) If my show is interesting and entertaining that it’s worth someone (56:45) listening to.(56:46) I mean, this idea of like driving opinion. (56:50) I, I call out things I think are crazy. If people agree with me.(56:53) Great. There’s a lot of people that don’t agree with me to go, (56:55) but it’s an interesting or funny show. (56:57) So as long as you’re listening, I don’t care if you agree with me or not.(57:00) I think Limbaugh cared or at least he had, it was a little different. (57:04) If you disagree with me, (57:06) I don’t care as long as you find the show interesting or funny enough to (57:09) listen. (57:10) Okay.I think that’s the main difference. (57:12) That’s fair. (57:15) She can’t get out of her way.(57:17) She just can’t get out of her way. (57:20) Like is, is it just a block? (57:23) Like are you trying to control the narrow? (57:26) Are you trying to use your power and wield it for your evil intentions? (57:30) Are you taking our power that you didn’t just fully earn that you didn’t (57:34) even, didn’t even get in any real way that somehow we got, (57:38) that you didn’t get, that you didn’t deserve, that we earned, (57:40) that you didn’t get it, that you should have it, that you’re using it. (57:43) Are you, what are you, what are you going to do with that thing? (57:45) What are you, are you going to whip it out? (57:47) Are you going to whip it out now? I mean, I I’m lost, man.(57:51) Help me under like, it just doesn’t get through. (57:55) It does not. (57:57) She’s she found about 20 different ways to ask the same question over and (58:01) over in this interview.(58:03) And you’re right, man. It’s just like, wait, (58:06) you guys have this power and you’re not using it for evil. (58:11) Like what? I don’t understand.(58:14) As Tim Dillon is not trying to persuade people to take any action, right? (58:18) He like he comments on the stuff that’s going on. (58:22) And obviously he has his opinions about it and everything, (58:25) but he’s just saying like, Hey, this is bullshit, right? (58:29) He’s pointing out the absurdity of the situation. (58:33) He’s not running cover for evil people.(58:35) And that’s really the big difference. (58:38) You know, that’s the big difference between the, (58:40) the mainstream media as it were, or Tim Dillon, (58:44) the podcaster crew that they’re all upset about. (58:47) And because the structure of a show has like, (58:49) we’re going to talk about topics.(58:51) His are not all political. (58:53) They’re not all everything. (58:54) They’re so although it’s like, well, (58:55) we talk about like, they’re all over the place.(58:58) Everybody, Joe Rogan, same thing. (59:00) Just talks to everyone who interests him, interests him, you know? (59:05) So we got to, we got to shout out. (59:08) Oh, the N word.(59:10) Happy Memorial day. (59:11) You Neocons. (59:13) Happy Memorial day, Jesse.(59:14) Hey, thanks for serving, man. (59:16) We’re so glad that you came back in one piece. (59:18) We’re happy that you’re with us, man.(59:22) So indeed. (59:24) Indeed. (59:26) Neocons.(59:26) Hey, I was right. (59:27) I called it. (59:28) All right.(59:28) So, so do you want to work on the transition on the pivot? (59:32) Cause it’s a hard pivot. (59:33) We’re going to. (59:35) So we’ve seen what’s going on to the left.(59:38) I feel like this is pretty emblematic. (59:40) They’re reeling. (59:41) They don’t understand what’s going on.(59:43) They’re really trying to grapple with the big loss. (59:47) Trump took all the swing States. (59:49) He took them at the super, I don’t know if it’s a super majority, (59:52) But he took a very large portion of the electoral vote in 2024.(59:58) So when the popular vote as a Republican, like that. (1:00:02) That is a hard. (1:00:04) Right.(1:00:05) And especially coming out when you saw 2020s numbers. (1:00:09) I know there’s a suspect on top of it. (1:00:12) I’m confused.(1:00:13) I’m questioning these numbers, but it makes you even. (1:00:16) Right. (1:00:17) What’s weird is it could be legit.(1:00:19) And just, this is how crazy we are. (1:00:21) The simulation hit chaos mode. (1:00:23) They just switched them on there.(1:00:25) Obviously Russia interfered with this election. (1:00:28) Personally, we are far too looking for changes in the election, please. (1:00:32) We cannot help the Americans from having them hurt themselves from the Ukraines.(1:00:39) Yes. (1:00:39) Yes. (1:00:40) So anyway, we’ve seen what’s going on the left.(1:00:42) Now we get back to the right. (1:00:44) Cause like I said, there’s Peterson. (1:00:45) There’s Daily Wire.(1:00:47) There’s what else? (1:00:49) James Lindsay. (1:00:50) Dave Rubin. (1:00:52) Dave Rubin.(1:00:53) Or McIntyre. (1:00:54) They’re all over the place. (1:00:56) Yeah.(1:00:57) You got Noel Shapiro-Peterson from the Daily Wire. (1:00:59) You’ve got Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire. (1:01:02) You’ve got, and that’s the biggest one.(1:01:04) But then you’ve got these other James Lindsays jumping in. (1:01:06) And then you’ve got Dave Rubin, which is like an answer. (1:01:08) I don’t know what Dave Rubin is.(1:01:10) You know what he’s not? (1:01:11) I know what he’s not. (1:01:12) He’s not a comedian. (1:01:13) That’s what I do know.(1:01:14) He’s not. (1:01:15) Yeah. (1:01:17) So Peterson, after his conversation with James Lindsay, (1:01:20) which I think was one of the most ridiculous interviews I’ve ever seen, (1:01:24) if you go watch it, there is like maybe 5% of it is actually making sense.(1:01:31) The rest is complete nonsense. (1:01:33) And it’s like they’re both trying to out-compete each other to how much nonsense (1:01:37) they can get by with without the other one questioning it. (1:01:40) It’s really weird.(1:01:41) How much intellect can they shove into a box? (1:01:44) They shove 10 pounds of intellect into a five pound. (1:01:50) Only intellectuals can do that type of thing. (1:01:52) Well, you know, the post-modern negative communist, (1:01:55) post-Nazi modern architecture.(1:01:58) You’re like, what, dude? (1:01:59) Can we just use words, English, please? (1:02:00) Well, the morning star, obviously. (1:02:02) You wake up. (1:02:04) And then you’re woke.(1:02:04) No. (1:02:05) What do you do when the morning star comes, Jason? (1:02:07) What do you do? (1:02:09) You wake up. (1:02:10) What? (1:02:11) Woke.(1:02:12) Oh, my God. (1:02:13) Woke. (1:02:14) Oh, my God.(1:02:15) Woke. (1:02:17) But so Lindsay and Matt Walsh were beefing after that. (1:02:20) Right.(1:02:21) And so Peterson, who also works at the Daily Wire with Walsh, (1:02:24) they’re talking to each other. (1:02:26) And that’s where we get into this. (1:02:31) I’m going to take a half a step back because I am going to share something (1:02:36) of the tactics of the media.(1:02:38) Okay. (1:02:39) There is a power struggle always going on in media. (1:02:43) And the momentum did definitely shift to a Daily Wire-ian kind of (1:02:48) perspective a little more.(1:02:51) Okay. (1:02:51) Definitely shift. (1:02:52) Look, Matt Walsh’s Am I Racist and What is a Woman, (1:02:54) they are just highly entertaining.(1:02:57) That you can get Robin DiAngelo to take money out of her pocket (1:03:01) and physically give him, the guy, money, his producer. (1:03:07) It was like, wow. (1:03:08) Like, I mean, it just speaks to how, like, so once again, (1:03:13) just because Lindsay figured out the rape culture thing, once again, (1:03:18) these people, just because they figured these things out, (1:03:19) doesn’t mean they’re correct or their ideology is correct either.(1:03:23) Just because they can expose the incorrectness of others. (1:03:26) Does that make sense? (1:03:28) Doesn’t make theirs correct. (1:03:31) Just because they see the silliness in others.(1:03:33) Right. (1:03:33) Yeah, yeah. (1:03:35) Very much so.(1:03:35) Okay. (1:03:36) You’re muted. (1:03:36) My bad.(1:03:37) I was. (1:03:39) So anyway, so we do have this thing. (1:03:41) And this is where it takes over.(1:03:43) And like, I’ve watched Peterson, and this is what I think it is. (1:03:47) Peterson is getting all, he got on with Murray and Lindsay. (1:03:50) They are circling the wagons.(1:03:51) I’m telling you, this is a Zionist Israel movement. (1:03:55) They cannot lose anyone else. (1:03:57) They are shaking.(1:03:59) They’re like, please, Lindsay, don’t leave us. (1:04:01) No, Matt, I got to, no, no. (1:04:02) Lindsay, oh, we can’t have Lindsay and Walsh arguing.(1:04:05) Those are the two bookends of our Zionist agenda. (1:04:09) Like, because they literally are. (1:04:10) Lindsay’s not a right one.(1:04:11) Lindsay’s a lefty. (1:04:13) Lindsay’s a professor. (1:04:14) Well, if he’s even that.(1:04:16) So, all right. (1:04:16) He was. (1:04:17) Those are the things.(1:04:18) These things are concerted efforts, guys, to get you to think a certain way. (1:04:22) So just take a step back and just listen to what they’re telling you. (1:04:27) Don’t get sucked into the way they’re, you know, Matt Walsh got a beautiful voice.(1:04:31) And Peterson, you know, Kermit brings back a lot of memories from growing up. (1:04:35) But, you know, it’s still, what are you talking about? (1:04:39) All right. (1:04:40) So I’ll just shut up now.(1:04:41) Anything else before I go? (1:04:42) You just got to clean your room. (1:04:46) Oh, lobsters. (1:04:47) All right.(1:04:47) Anything else before I get playing this? (1:04:51) Oh, no. (1:04:53) I want to talk to you a little bit about The Daily Wire, too, because since we’re both (1:04:57) part of it, because I’m struggling in a sense with trying to figure out exactly what (1:05:04) the proper role is of our style of communication on the political side, given the new political (1:05:12) reality in the United States, I’ve been trying to puzzle out since Trump took office (1:05:17) exactly what the role of the kind of more political commentary that I was doing on my (1:05:23) podcast now is, because, as you know, and like you, I’ve been a fervent adversary of (1:05:32) the woke council culture, progressive Marxist, resentful race baiting mob for, you know, (1:05:41) 10 years. (1:05:42) Like, what do you think the crucial issues are for conservative commentators like yourself (1:05:47) and maybe even more broadly for The Daily Wire? (1:05:50) And like, where is your interest gravitating with regards to what kind of issues you want (1:05:55) to focus on and comment on? (1:05:59) I had to share this because there’s three, there was literally three separate parts of (1:06:03) that interview where he’s trying to dance of how do we make you believe in what we want (1:06:09) you to believe? (1:06:12) What’s our role to tell you what to do, what to think, how to be? (1:06:16) Like, do you hear the way he was freaking dancing around? (1:06:20) Three different ways he asked it.(1:06:22) He did the exact same thing with Joe Rogan, right? (1:06:25) As soon as the Murray Smith debate happened on Joe Rogan, Peterson was there within the (1:06:30) week talking to Joe Rogan. (1:06:33) Well, how do you actually decide? (1:06:37) Who do you have on your interviews? (1:06:39) And now he’s doing the same thing. (1:06:40) How do you put the barbells on, Joe? (1:06:42) Well, now that you’re so big, I got to think how you parse out the wheat from the chaff.(1:06:49) Dude, he talks about freaking UFOs and alien abductions. (1:06:54) And like, come on, man. (1:06:55) It’s Joe Rogan, for God’s sakes.(1:06:58) What makes him great is just, that is just Joe. (1:07:03) That’s the thing. (1:07:04) You guys are not human.(1:07:06) Reptiles aren’t human. (1:07:09) Hillary is not a human being. (1:07:13) There’s no way that Kamala is a normal human being.(1:07:16) I have never seen someone act horribly like that in public. (1:07:23) I’ve never seen someone be so bad in public. (1:07:28) And as a public figure.(1:07:31) There’s no way. (1:07:32) These people are lizard people. (1:07:34) There’s something wrong.(1:07:36) Yeah, she’s a big time lizard. (1:07:38) Yeah. (1:07:40) So, if you don’t know anything about this, if you haven’t seen anything before, you could (1:07:46) easily think this was a very innocent line of questioning.(1:07:49) Like, hey, what should we talk about? (1:07:51) What should we be focused on as conservatives at the Daily Wire? (1:07:54) What do we do here? (1:07:57) It could be. (1:07:57) It could be innocent. (1:07:58) But, it feels more like they’re getting to something specific that we were talking about.(1:08:05) It’s just like, how do we put the guardrails on? (1:08:08) Oh, how do we, what do we talk about? (1:08:10) Should we really talk about Israel? (1:08:12) Uh, I don’t know. (1:08:14) It’s just. (1:08:16) It’s so diversionary.(1:08:18) Because we’re going to get into what Matt Walsh says are the biggest issues facing us. (1:08:26) Dude, we beat it with that last election. (1:08:29) I literally just told you.(1:08:30) That trans thing has. (1:08:33) No, it’s not that the fight doesn’t continue in some weird way. (1:08:37) But, it’s lost.(1:08:38) The trans issue is lost. (1:08:41) It’s been lost globally. (1:08:43) And, it’s been lost in America by vote and by everyone.(1:08:47) Any parent is just not interested in this shit anymore. (1:08:50) They’re just not. (1:08:51) But, how.(1:08:52) Then, he goes to these things. (1:08:53) Is this the one? (1:08:54) Is this the clip? (1:08:55) Okay. (1:08:56) This is where.(1:08:57) This is the one. (1:08:58) Now, listen to what he blames on the resultant thing. (1:09:03) He says it twice.(1:09:05) The cause. (1:09:06) And then, I’m going to ask you after to use a different word. (1:09:12) And, see.(1:09:13) Let’s see how these things jive. (1:09:15) Because, this one is the one that really stuck out that I don’t think people are talking enough about. (1:09:20) I really do not think that they are not talking about this clip.(1:09:24) That, if you heard. (1:09:27) If he didn’t say the cause twice. (1:09:30) You would be like.(1:09:30) Oh my gosh. (1:09:31) He’s talking about this other thing. (1:09:33) Right? (1:09:35) Pretty much.(1:09:36) Alright. (1:09:37) So, let me hit play. (1:09:38) Let’s let the audience decide.(1:09:40) And, once again. (1:09:41) We’ve got 30 plus people here on Memorial Day. (1:09:44) Thank you so much for everyone being here.(1:09:46) Jesse, specifically. (1:09:47) If anyone’s served. (1:09:48) Please jump on the comments.(1:09:50) Jump in the chat. (1:09:50) Tell us that you served. (1:09:51) So, we can thank you for your service.(1:09:53) We are so grateful that you believed in something. (1:09:58) And, put your literal life and your everything on the line for a period of time. (1:10:03) Put your life on hold to serve a country.(1:10:06) It is admirable. (1:10:07) It’s absolutely admirable. (1:10:08) And, we just.(1:10:09) We can’t thank you enough. (1:10:10) Regardless of what our feelings are about the government itself. (1:10:13) Let me hit this.(1:10:14) Listen guys to what they say. (1:10:16) It’s just so. (1:10:17) Oh God.(1:10:18) It’s so frustrating. (1:10:19) You conservatives have this idea. (1:10:24) That feminism started out as a wonderful thing.(1:10:27) And, then it went off the rails at some point. (1:10:29) And, my answer to that has always been. (1:10:31) You know.(1:10:31) Before you even do any research into the history of feminism. (1:10:33) Which you should. (1:10:35) You have to ask yourself a question.(1:10:36) Which is. (1:10:37) Okay. (1:10:38) If a movement can go off the rails.(1:10:41) In a matter of decades. (1:10:43) In a matter of decades. (1:10:44) To the extent that.(1:10:45) It goes from something. (1:10:47) Quote unquote good. (1:10:48) To.(1:10:49) Before you know it. (1:10:50) It’s justifying the mass slaughter of infants. (1:10:53) Doesn’t that tell you.(1:10:54) There might be something wrong with that movement. (1:10:56) Fundamentally. (1:10:57) Like.(1:10:57) If it could go that wrong. (1:10:59) That quickly. (1:10:59) To that extent.(1:11:01) Then. (1:11:01) Obviously. (1:11:02) There’s something fundamentally wrong with this thing.(1:11:07) Slaughtering infants. (1:11:08) You say. (1:11:08) What.(1:11:09) What could that be about? (1:11:12) Look. (1:11:13) Yeah. (1:11:14) So.(1:11:14) Like. (1:11:15) There’s two words you could replace feminism with. (1:11:20) One’s an ism.(1:11:21) One’s a nation state. (1:11:22) An ethno state. (1:11:25) You just replace.(1:11:27) You know. (1:11:28) Zionism. (1:11:29) Decades.(1:11:30) It was good. (1:11:31) And if you can justify the slaughtering. (1:11:33) Then you’re thinking about.(1:11:34) What do we fall back in this. (1:11:35) He literally says. (1:11:37) Exactly.(1:11:37) What Israel are doing. (1:11:39) And he attributes that. (1:11:42) To feminism.(1:11:43) In this. (1:11:45) In March. (1:11:46) Or May of two.(1:11:47) May of 2025. (1:11:48) After the election. (1:11:49) After the vote.(1:11:51) After. (1:11:51) The reformation. (1:11:52) Or whatever.(1:11:58) I. (1:11:58) Yeah. (1:12:00) If we. (1:12:01) Even.(1:12:01) Take this at face value. (1:12:03) And. (1:12:04) Look at feminism.(1:12:05) Is that really. (1:12:06) One of the biggest issues. (1:12:08) That the right.(1:12:09) Is facing. (1:12:09) Do you think. (1:12:10) At this.(1:12:10) In 2025. (1:12:14) And they talk about abortion. (1:12:15) Okay.(1:12:15) Okay. (1:12:16) I don’t know the numbers. (1:12:17) On how many people.(1:12:18) Are aborted in a year. (1:12:20) But. (1:12:21) I don’t think.(1:12:22) I. (1:12:22) Once they’re born. (1:12:23) You shouldn’t. (1:12:24) Bury them under.(1:12:25) Tons of rubble. (1:12:25) Either. (1:12:26) Maybe.(1:12:28) Maybe. (1:12:28) That’s probably. (1:12:29) A good idea.(1:12:29) To. (1:12:32) Jesus. (1:12:33) Yeah.(1:12:34) That sounds like. (1:12:35) A leftist argument. (1:12:36) Almost.(1:12:36) Where they’re like. (1:12:37) Oh. (1:12:37) You only care.(1:12:38) About pro-life. (1:12:38) Until they’re born. (1:12:39) And then.(1:12:40) Fuck them. (1:12:41) And they. (1:12:42) Demonstrate it.(1:12:43) Then. (1:12:44) Yeah. (1:12:44) You know.(1:12:45) Like. (1:12:45) Come on. (1:12:46) Man.(1:12:46) Those are the Christians. (1:12:48) And Jordan Peterson. (1:12:49) Can’t call himself.(1:12:50) A Christian. (1:12:50) Of course. (1:12:51) But.(1:12:52) These are the. (1:12:53) These are the guys. (1:12:54) Like.(1:12:55) That. (1:12:56) Clip. (1:12:56) The.(1:12:57) I mean. (1:12:57) You’re listening to Matt Walsh. (1:12:59) Of the Daily Wire.(1:13:00) Who’s under fire. (1:13:01) Literally under. (1:13:02) The biggest fire.(1:13:03) For their pro-Zionist. (1:13:04) And anti. (1:13:05) Anti-Zionist.(1:13:06) Move. (1:13:06) Whatever they are. (1:13:07) You’re like.(1:13:08) And he goes. (1:13:09) Yes. (1:13:09) Slaughtering women.(1:13:10) Children. (1:13:11) Feminism. (1:13:13) Feminism.(1:13:14) Yeah. (1:13:15) Yeah. (1:13:15) I mean.(1:13:16) Hey. (1:13:17) You. (1:13:18) You.(1:13:18) You. (1:13:18) You can only give so many passes. (1:13:20) For like.(1:13:21) Ignorance. (1:13:21) Like. (1:13:21) We do make mistakes.(1:13:22) We do. (1:13:23) See. (1:13:24) There’s.(1:13:24) This is not. (1:13:25) This is ideological capture. (1:13:27) This is capture.(1:13:28) This isn’t. (1:13:28) This isn’t a belief. (1:13:30) This is.(1:13:31) Clear capture. (1:13:31) He would lose everything. (1:13:32) And what’s funny is.(1:13:33) I think if he left. (1:13:34) The Daily Wire. (1:13:34) He’d be like Candace.(1:13:35) He’d actually do better. (1:13:37) Peterson. (1:13:38) You mean.(1:13:38) Or Walsh. (1:13:39) Walsh. (1:13:40) Well.(1:13:40) Probably. (1:13:41) Peterson. (1:13:42) Yeah.(1:13:43) But Peterson’s. (1:13:44) Struggling. (1:13:45) He’s always struggled.(1:13:46) He’s always had. (1:13:48) Weird issues. (1:13:48) It’s probably down to being a Canadian.(1:13:50) To be honest. (1:13:51) You know. (1:13:52) It’s really tough there.(1:13:54) But the thing is. (1:13:55) He did invest all that in the academy though. (1:13:56) So.(1:13:57) That is a flop. (1:13:58) If that doesn’t bring back. (1:14:00) Returns.(1:14:00) Is this like. (1:14:01) Trump University. (1:14:02) Where.(1:14:03) Oh. (1:14:04) No. (1:14:04) I got another failed.(1:14:06) University. (1:14:07) You know. (1:14:08) Trump and Peter.(1:14:08) The Trump. (1:14:09) Peterson Academy. (1:14:11) Oh my god.(1:14:12) We should totally do. (1:14:13) You and I should do a commercial. (1:14:15) Advertising for the Trump.(1:14:16) Peterson. (1:14:17) Online Academy. (1:14:20) It’s going to be the greatest.(1:14:21) I mean. (1:14:22) Trump will tell you. (1:14:22) It’s the greatest.(1:14:24) How many. (1:14:25) How many years until Sam Harris is. (1:14:27) Like.(1:14:27) Well. (1:14:28) I don’t care. (1:14:29) If Kamala Harris had the corpses.(1:14:31) Of dead kids in her basement. (1:14:33) The thing that. (1:14:34) that Jordan Peterson did with Peterson Academy (1:14:37) is just so bad.(1:14:40) It was online. (1:14:42) It was, it was online. (1:14:44) It was accessible to millions.It could reach (1:14:45) so many people. (1:14:46) It could reach almost the entire internet (1:14:49) until Google shut it down. (1:14:51) I mean, think of, if people actually logged on (1:14:55) and if people learned what he knew, (1:14:58) then it would be really dangerous.(1:15:04) God, that’s gonna happen. (1:15:05) Everybody’s lost, man. (1:15:06) Just predict for the future.(1:15:07) I can only hope that you and I get to any level (1:15:10) of coolness that we both lose it. (1:15:13) That’s gonna happen, man. (1:15:14) Can you hope for that? (1:15:15) Oh yeah, it’s gonna happen.(1:15:16) Cause like, we’re not even close to that (1:15:18) and I feel like I’ve already lost it, you know? (1:15:21) Lost our minds, that’s for sure. (1:15:24) Let’s keep going. (1:15:25) There’s some more issues that Walsh is talking about.(1:15:31) All right, I’m gonna hit it. (1:15:32) Yep. (1:15:35) Big things like protecting the family.(1:15:38) What are the institution of the family? (1:15:43) What are the forces that are destroying marriages (1:15:48) or convincing people to not get married in the first place? (1:15:51) The birth rate is declining. (1:15:54) We still have millions of babies being killed (1:15:56) by abortion every year. (1:15:59) So what are the, that’s a battlefield.(1:16:02) Now it’s always been a battlefield, (1:16:03) but I think that there’s an even greater focus on that. (1:16:06) What are the forces that are driving that? (1:16:11) You know, again, I go back to like, (1:16:13) is this really the rights big issue right now? (1:16:17) You know, they’re supposed to be like a limited government, (1:16:20) fiscal responsibility, all this stuff. (1:16:22) And they’re talking about abortion and family stuff.(1:16:25) Like I get it’s important. (1:16:28) Sure, if you want, you know, if you want to be that, (1:16:31) if that’s what, if you want that to be your main issue, (1:16:33) go ahead, you know, that’s great. (1:16:36) But is that really your biggest thing? (1:16:40) It’s not.(1:16:41) And once again, it’s deflection from the biggest things, (1:16:44) which they are losers on. (1:16:47) And that’s Israel and spending. (1:16:49) They’re not not spending.(1:16:51) Dude, come on. (1:16:52) We just talked about it. (1:16:53) Doge is shit.(1:16:56) People are like, oh, that’s so entertaining. (1:16:58) Oh, you got entertained into nothing. (1:17:02) There was not, nothing was saved.(1:17:04) Nothing was caught. (1:17:05) Nothing was, as a matter of fact, (1:17:06) we’re increasing spending (1:17:08) from what Joe Biden spent last year. (1:17:12) Does everyone have two of these? (1:17:14) We are increasing spending from last year’s Joe Biden (1:17:18) that we complained about.(1:17:21) I’m going to clip that. (1:17:23) Does that just not, do people not like get this? (1:17:29) They don’t, they don’t. (1:17:31) Because they think, hey, it’s my guy in office.(1:17:34) Can do no wrong. (1:17:35) This is the guy I voted for. (1:17:36) So how could I be wrong? (1:17:40) I didn’t, I’m not talking about me, by the way.(1:17:42) No, no, I know. (1:17:44) But that’s the thing. (1:17:45) It’s like, you’re in for a penny.(1:17:46) Like, why can’t you go? (1:17:47) Yeah, you know what? (1:17:48) Look, in the current situation of a handpicked (1:17:51) Kamala Harris over a demented Joe Biden (1:17:54) from a Trump who got, who stood up and said fight (1:17:56) after getting shot by a piece of something in the ear. (1:17:59) That’s pretty impressive. (1:18:00) I think I know what side I’m going to go with, right? (1:18:02) Like I, we kind of knew what, (1:18:04) I felt like there was no way.(1:18:06) There was, I could not see a situation (1:18:09) that Kamala was going to win. (1:18:10) Did you have any, I went, I was so odd. (1:18:13) I was scarily calm about it.(1:18:15) I was like, there’s, there’s just not. (1:18:17) It just can’t, it was, it just can’t. (1:18:19) And it didn’t even come close, to be honest.(1:18:22) And that’s, so glad that happened. (1:18:24) But like the fever did break everybody. (1:18:26) But now we’re, we’re just spending more (1:18:28) and now you’re defending it.(1:18:29) I, you know, Larkin Rose is a good guy to listen to. (1:18:33) Hopefully he’ll be at Freedom Fest. (1:18:34) I met his wife at Freedom Fest last year.(1:18:37) By the way, she’s a singer. (1:18:38) Holy mackerel. (1:18:39) Sorry, karaoke crushed it.(1:18:42) Anyway. (1:18:43) So welcome everyone. (1:18:44) Dane is on.(1:18:45) Dane, welcome, sir. (1:18:46) Hey, buddy. (1:18:49) So I’m going to get to the next one.(1:18:51) Yeah, I, one thing, the declining birth rate. (1:18:54) That’s a big thing on the right too. (1:18:56) What do you, what do you think about that? (1:18:58) Is that a problem? (1:18:59) Is that a real issue? (1:19:01) It, it’s a, it’s an issue for a capitalist society (1:19:03) that is attinged upon increasing population, (1:19:07) which is what we’re into now.(1:19:10) I would not call that capitalist just to be. (1:19:13) Oh, sorry. (1:19:15) On the way the Ponzi scheme of economics is set up.(1:19:20) And taxes, yes. (1:19:22) Yes. (1:19:22) The way the Ponzi scheme of economics is set up, (1:19:25) I would argue that.(1:19:26) What are your thoughts on it? (1:19:27) Yeah, I agree. (1:19:29) Our, yeah, definitely our system of social security (1:19:33) and all that has built on a permanent population growth. (1:19:37) Like the, you know, the people having three, four kids (1:19:41) will pay for the two, you know, older elderly adults (1:19:44) that need help.(1:19:45) And that’s kind of what it was built on, right? (1:19:47) But that is not the case now. (1:19:50) And it’s continuing to get smaller. (1:19:52) So it’s going to lead to an economic collapse (1:19:54) if nothing else.(1:19:56) But I don’t think necessarily (1:19:58) that a declining birth rate is bad. (1:20:00) It’s just, it’s kind of a response to the reality (1:20:03) that we live in. (1:20:04) It’s like, we don’t need to have nine, 10 kids (1:20:08) to work on the farm and keep it going.(1:20:09) It’s just like, we need to have a couple (1:20:12) to keep humanity alive. (1:20:14) That’s really it. (1:20:16) And our technology is increasing so much (1:20:18) that we shouldn’t have to have all these people working (1:20:23) so many hours all the time just to keep things going.(1:20:26) It’s like, we can relax a little bit. (1:20:28) But if our government wasn’t using all our money (1:20:30) to go blow people up around the world. (1:20:34) Translation, Jason believes in reducing population (1:20:37) every day.(1:20:38) I do, honestly. (1:20:40) There’s too many people. (1:20:41) It’s funny because you and I, (1:20:42) I think are very similar in that.(1:20:45) We are extremely pragmatic about this. (1:20:48) Like there is no need for eight children anymore. (1:20:52) I do understand there was.(1:20:53) Now we know that baby boomers came out of the death (1:20:56) from the wars, right? (1:20:58) We know to your point, (1:21:00) the nature does kind of take care of itself, right? (1:21:03) So civilization’s gotten easier. (1:21:06) We’ve gotten into a move to urbanize a little bit. (1:21:08) It’s gonna shrink the farm size.(1:21:10) It’s gonna shrink the family size. (1:21:12) But the problem is we’re binary about it. (1:21:17) We need to merge the two ideas (1:21:19) and not say it’s this or that.(1:21:21) It’s like, look, they both exist. (1:21:23) Some of us like, look at me. (1:21:24) I’m in a beautiful, loving relationship (1:21:25) with a woman who helps children with communication delay.(1:21:30) Neither of us decide to have children in our life. (1:21:34) But we are in love. (1:21:35) We’re not married, but we’re together.(1:21:38) Like that is a way one can live a life (1:21:40) that doesn’t have to be that cookie cutter way, right? (1:21:43) And I do think that when society pushed a certain way, (1:21:48) you had the blowback. (1:21:49) The Ron Paul blowback, socially or culturally, (1:21:53) became that trans, not goth, (1:21:56) but you know what I mean? (1:21:56) Like that counterculture, right? (1:21:58) And then there’s a counterculture, the counterculture. (1:22:00) Now the Gen Z kids are more conservative (1:22:02) than their parents, right? (1:22:04) So we see this constant flow to your point, (1:22:07) but it is dangerous for like a North Korea (1:22:10) because North Korea just got to some technological beauty.(1:22:15) I really admire Kia, Samsung, Hyundai. (1:22:20) I really like what North Korea’s done. (1:22:22) But their birth rates like 0.7, or South Korea.(1:22:26) Did I say North Korea? (1:22:28) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (1:22:29) I think I gotta stop reading. (1:22:31) You’re admiring North Korea? (1:22:33) Did you? (1:22:34) I knew you were a filthy socialist.(1:22:36) I knew it. (1:22:36) No, Kim Jong-un got like 19 holes in one (1:22:39) in an 18-hole golf course. (1:22:40) You didn’t know that? (1:22:41) Well, yeah.(1:22:41) If you don’t believe that, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. (1:22:44) No, I believe it. (1:22:45) Yeah, it’s South Korea.(1:22:46) So, and what’s funny is North Korea’s birth rates (1:22:48) like tripled as South Korea. (1:22:50) So like, once again, is it ideology? (1:22:52) Is it culture? (1:22:53) What’s pushing what and who’s doing it? (1:22:55) And it is true. (1:22:56) I think it’s top-down.(1:22:57) Technologically, Bill Gates wants us all dead. (1:23:00) Now, you and I can just look at it and go, (1:23:02) we’re realistic about it. (1:23:04) Okay, two parents, two kids or whatever.(1:23:07) Like, but look, if you want to be a Josh Smith, (1:23:09) is it Josh Smith, right? (1:23:10) He has like 11 kids. (1:23:12) Do you want to be a Josh Smith? (1:23:13) Dude, then be a Josh Smith. (1:23:14) Just don’t, you know what I mean? (1:23:16) But if I’m not, if I have zeros, please don’t.(1:23:19) Like, I like to think I still contribute, you know? (1:23:22) You should, yeah. (1:23:23) If you want to have kids, (1:23:25) you should have as many as you can take care of reasonably. (1:23:28) Yeah.(1:23:28) Yeah. (1:23:29) But I’m not pushing anyone. (1:23:31) I don’t care if you have kids.(1:23:32) Like, I don’t think that’s necessary. (1:23:35) I don’t think it’s necessary (1:23:36) to have a continued growth in population (1:23:38) because there are, you know, (1:23:41) as much as people don’t like to think about it, (1:23:42) there are finite resources. (1:23:45) Let’s not completely blow up the population (1:23:47) because then a bunch of people are going to die.(1:23:49) A bunch of people are going to starve to death or something. (1:23:52) Like, we don’t need that. (1:23:53) But the hyper, the hyper fear (1:23:55) of that 40 billion person population, (1:23:57) we knew that was definitely not a thing, man.(1:23:59) It was definitely overblown (1:24:01) because we do know that civilization will cause you (1:24:04) to just have a slower birth rate. (1:24:06) And we, the problem is we need to land this emergency plane (1:24:11) while it still has some power (1:24:12) so we can pick our landing spot, guys. (1:24:15) I do not want to be out of power (1:24:17) and have be forced to take a spot (1:24:19) that we don’t want to be around.(1:24:21) You know what I mean? (1:24:21) Like, economically speaking, we need to bite this. (1:24:25) The transition is going to suck, (1:24:27) but someone’s going to eat the transition. (1:24:31) Someone’s going to eat that.(1:24:32) And that’s usually where death happens. (1:24:35) Yeah, and I think a lot of people that are empowered (1:24:38) are content on pushing it down the road (1:24:40) to the future generations. (1:24:42) And I would be like, hey, let’s stop this now.(1:24:44) I will take it. (1:24:46) Let me take it on. (1:24:47) It’s going to suck, but we got to end this (1:24:50) because it’s going to keep getting worse.(1:24:52) That’s what I wish Congress and Senate was about. (1:24:55) Run two years, run two, two, two years, six years, (1:24:57) run one Senate term and then get the heck out. (1:25:00) It’s like, it should have been like a military service (1:25:02) without guns.(1:25:04) You know what I mean? (1:25:05) Like, it literally is a duty to America (1:25:08) to hold onto his values, not to change it. (1:25:12) It’s literally, that was the duty of Congress (1:25:14) to slow it down. (1:25:15) That’s why these three branches were to fight each other (1:25:21) the whole time, right? (1:25:22) Combat against each other.(1:25:23) They were to compete. (1:25:24) Nothing was supposed to happen. (1:25:26) It was supposed to be like, leave us alone, we’re good.(1:25:29) And it was so nice. (1:25:30) It seemed like it was nice for a while. (1:25:33) Do you want to hit Zach’s comment here? (1:25:35) Yeah, which one we got? (1:25:36) Just woke up, just want to? (1:25:38) I just want you.(1:25:38) I just want to make you go deep into yourselves. (1:25:42) It’s a little gay, but okay. (1:25:44) What are your thoughts on revigorating faith (1:25:47) and converting lost souls back to God or spirituality? (1:25:55) Is that tied into the having kids thing? (1:25:58) I could say, yeah, that’s great.(1:26:04) Revigorating faith. (1:26:06) I do think it is a net positive (1:26:09) for people to get back to faith. (1:26:11) I think whatever you find in the… (1:26:19) I don’t know what I’m saying here.(1:26:22) Whatever you find in the contraptions that men create, (1:26:26) the governments, the leaders, (1:26:28) the hierarchies that men put together, (1:26:30) whatever you find in that, (1:26:32) there’s going to be major faults in it because it’s human. (1:26:38) So when people go to God, (1:26:40) I don’t think that it’s… (1:26:42) Even if you think it’s not literally true, (1:26:46) there’s something there that is like, (1:26:48) I’m putting my faith into this higher power (1:26:52) and that lets me exclude the rule of man. (1:26:59) Does that make sense? (1:27:02) I’m trying to… (1:27:04) Yeah, it does make sense.(1:27:05) Please continue. (1:27:06) No, you’re doing great. (1:27:07) I am following you 100%.(1:27:08) You’re totally making sense. (1:27:09) I know that whatever humans create will be flawed. (1:27:13) So because of that, (1:27:15) I’m putting my faith into a higher being, (1:27:17) a higher power, a God, (1:27:18) whatever you want to call it.(1:27:21) And that is my belief system. (1:27:24) And whether it’s literally true or not, I don’t know, (1:27:28) but there’s definitely value to that (1:27:30) because when you don’t do that, (1:27:33) then you have the opposite. (1:27:34) Then you do put your faith in the hierarchies of men.(1:27:38) And that really is a… (1:27:41) That’s a big mistake in my opinion, (1:27:43) as we see with what our government does around the world. (1:27:46) They have completely forgotten God. (1:27:48) They don’t care.(1:27:51) And no matter what you have in this world as humans, (1:27:59) it’s going to be bad or it’s going to be flawed. (1:28:01) It’s going to be not evil necessarily. (1:28:05) Some people try to do good.(1:28:06) They really do. (1:28:07) But because they are not omnipotent, (1:28:10) because we are very, very inadequate as humans. (1:28:15) We are not fit to rule other humans.(1:28:18) And anyone thinks that they are is the opposite of God. (1:28:23) The Bible pretty much tells us to fight for ourselves (1:28:27) and work together with other people. (1:28:29) That’s basically what it does.(1:28:30) So it is an independent thing. (1:28:32) So I consider God completely evolutionary utilitarian (1:28:37) you can piss on my grave if you want (1:28:40) for not having that faith. (1:28:42) I’ve shared experiences that I’ve had.(1:28:44) I do have a weird belief of what happened, (1:28:49) but dude, I can’t like I shared with you. (1:28:52) So like, I don’t think we’re on base reality. (1:28:54) I think we’re in multiple versions (1:28:56) of realities down the road.(1:28:57) I think base reality did not have a consciousness. (1:29:00) I think it emerged with the first reality. (1:29:03) And once it became an emergent property, (1:29:05) it then commanded the result of the next iterations (1:29:10) of the realities that we iterated.(1:29:12) I know that sounds super crazy. (1:29:14) I don’t have a way to explain it, (1:29:16) but it doesn’t negate God. (1:29:19) What God to me is, it’s utilitarian in the fact (1:29:22) that purpose, meaning you must clean your room.(1:29:27) You do the self-protecting of the lesser, (1:29:32) the weak, the children and the women. (1:29:34) These are all evolutionary things that made total sense. (1:29:37) I’ve always come from that side.(1:29:39) Experiencing what I’ve experienced, (1:29:41) I know there’s a spiritual aspect to it, (1:29:43) but it’s like energy. (1:29:44) Can we call it this deity thing? (1:29:48) A theist, a deist, what is it, right? (1:29:51) Like atheists, it’s not just they’re against God. (1:29:54) Like theism is like that there’s a God (1:29:56) that like makes things happen.(1:29:58) The deist God is like a watcher, for example, right? (1:30:03) Like, I don’t know of that, (1:30:05) but I do understand that blaming God (1:30:07) for fumbling the football on the one yard line (1:30:10) and losing the national championship game (1:30:12) doesn’t have utility. (1:30:14) But thanking God for the food that’s on this plate, (1:30:17) hoping that tomorrow will be the same thing (1:30:19) because gratefulness and grace, those things, (1:30:24) appreciation, those are actual meaningful. (1:30:26) Those come out of those religions.(1:30:28) So I think we should have a podcast about that. (1:30:33) So probably should do one. (1:30:35) Yeah, practicing gratitude for sure is a huge thing.(1:30:39) Again, whoever you are grateful to, (1:30:41) just being the fact that you are grateful, (1:30:44) that shifts your mind and puts you in a better place. (1:30:47) I think that’s really true. (1:30:48) And I know I fumbled through that explanation (1:30:51) of what I think about the whole God thing, (1:30:53) but it’s like- (1:30:54) No, you cleared it up, man.(1:30:55) I know we put you on the spot. (1:30:57) We put you on the spot. (1:30:57) It was really off the cuff.(1:30:59) So I would like to do something about that (1:31:01) because I think it would be worthwhile. (1:31:03) I’m down. (1:31:04) Because once again, I’ve run the gamut of my faith.(1:31:08) I’m not gonna lie. (1:31:10) I don’t have… (1:31:11) I would say just politically homeless, (1:31:13) I’m pretty much faith homeless. (1:31:14) I don’t know there’s no- (1:31:15) Yeah, like you said, (1:31:16) I don’t think that a simulation (1:31:18) or multiverse type thing would negate God.(1:31:22) It doesn’t mean that it’s not God. (1:31:24) It’s kind of just a way of understanding, (1:31:26) whatever that is, whoever created it. (1:31:29) I will answer this very quickly.(1:31:31) So the base reality into multiverse is the next, (1:31:34) into the next reality, (1:31:35) it actually was the universal consciousness (1:31:38) that emerged from the base reality itself. (1:31:41) So real quick, single-celled organisms (1:31:43) become multi-celled, multi-celled become this, (1:31:46) they become neurons, neurons become this, (1:31:48) then become conscious. (1:31:49) Different levels of consciousness, (1:31:51) aware that you’re aware, (1:31:52) aware that you’re aware that you’re aware.(1:31:53) You know, those ones where you can think down the road, (1:31:55) there’s ones that were just know that you exist, (1:31:57) whatever, all those. (1:31:58) Okay, then there is a global consciousness (1:32:03) that arises from that. (1:32:04) And I do think one of our worlds had that- (1:32:07) The globalists.(1:32:08) There you go, globalists. (1:32:10) But there’s a consciousness that arises globally. (1:32:12) And you’ve heard, you’ve seen measures of movement.(1:32:15) Prince dying, I think, (1:32:17) there was like this dip in some measured, (1:32:20) like sadness level lever or something, (1:32:23) and globally or something. (1:32:24) We can consciously do things. (1:32:26) We’ve experienced it, we’ve experimented with that.(1:32:29) So once it came, like our global, (1:32:33) there were multiple worlds that had that. (1:32:35) This, you know, all the different universe, (1:32:37) those are the aliens. (1:32:39) Remember, it’s just older than us.(1:32:42) Like, it’s just like, give us another thousand years. (1:32:44) You know, we could do it in another 100 years. (1:32:47) Well, a thousand would be ridiculous, right? (1:32:49) Like, if we don’t blow ourselves up.(1:32:51) So we got to that point. (1:32:52) And then those then became a universal. (1:32:56) It got to the point where each of those consciousness (1:32:58) became a universal thing.(1:33:00) And the first one may have been a smaller, (1:33:02) and then this just expanded from that. (1:33:04) And if you look at the fractal, (1:33:05) the way the fractals and the nature, (1:33:08) the spider web of the universe, (1:33:10) it’s oddly structured, man. (1:33:12) It’s got a structure.(1:33:16) The other one is consciousness is the foundation, (1:33:19) and it’s like the Higgs field. (1:33:20) It’s something that exists, (1:33:22) and you pass through it, (1:33:23) and that’s what makes it be. (1:33:25) So we made the next one or whatever it did.(1:33:30) So that long story short. (1:33:31) Yeah. (1:33:33) Really, what I was trying to say is like, (1:33:36) placing all the human hierarchies subjugated (1:33:40) under a higher power that is perfect (1:33:43) or superhuman in some way.(1:33:46) I think there’s value to that for sure. (1:33:48) There’s value in hierarchy too. (1:33:50) Peterson talks about it.(1:33:52) Look, we do have to organize, (1:33:53) like, do I take out the trash first, (1:33:55) or do I wash the car first, (1:33:56) or do I fix the roof that’s leaking, (1:33:59) or do I, right? (1:33:59) Like, we have to prioritize, (1:34:01) and that’s, prioritization is life. (1:34:04) That’s hierarchy. (1:34:05) So it all mixes in.(1:34:07) It all mixes in together like that. (1:34:09) All right. (1:34:10) So do we want to skip while she gets to talk? (1:34:12) Let’s keep moving.(1:34:13) Yeah, we’ll come back to this. (1:34:15) Great question, Zach. (1:34:16) We will definitely get back in.(1:34:17) It is. (1:34:17) Probably do a whole episode about this, (1:34:19) but yeah, let’s move on. (1:34:22) We’ll do one.(1:34:22) Yeah. (1:34:23) All right. (1:34:23) Walsh.(1:34:24) He’s going to talk about the woke right. (1:34:28) Walsh on the woke right. (1:34:29) That’s the last Walsh, (1:34:31) and then we’ll- (1:34:31) The last Walsh with Lindsey? (1:34:34) Yeah.(1:34:35) All right. (1:34:35) We’ll do that one then. (1:34:36) We’ll skip one then.(1:34:37) All right. (1:34:37) Here we go. (1:34:38) Did we skip one? (1:34:39) He has been, and others, (1:34:42) have been on kind of this crusade recently (1:34:44) about what they call the woke right.(1:34:45) And I think that there’s a discussion we had there too, (1:34:49) because I think that, you know, (1:34:50) my take on it is, (1:34:51) I think the label is at a minimum not useful at all. (1:34:55) It’s not a useful label. (1:34:56) Nobody can really even explain what it is exactly.(1:34:59) There are, you know, (1:34:59) I’ve asked people over the last week, (1:35:01) what does this even mean? (1:35:02) I’ve gotten 10 different answers, (1:35:03) which tells you, (1:35:04) that’s what tells you that you’ve come up with a term (1:35:06) or a label that’s not useful, (1:35:07) is when no one is very clear on what it actually is. (1:35:11) There it is. (1:35:12) They’re hiding it once again.(1:35:15) It’s Zionism. (1:35:15) This woke, (1:35:16) this immediate specific woke right movement (1:35:21) is this specific thing. (1:35:23) It’s not a general thing.(1:35:25) There isn’t a woke right general thing. (1:35:27) It is this thing that these people, (1:35:29) these soldiers of Israel have all done. (1:35:34) Does it make sense? (1:35:36) Do you hear the way he’s talking? (1:35:40) So I actually did take this at face value.(1:35:44) Oh. (1:35:45) I think that he’s right. (1:35:48) Woke right.(1:35:49) And we spent a couple of episodes trying to define this (1:35:52) and figure out what the heck James Lindsay (1:35:54) is talking about. (1:35:55) And we really couldn’t nail it down (1:35:58) because it has no meaning. (1:36:00) It’s really just him talking about like (1:36:02) what he thinks the right should do.(1:36:05) And they’re not doing what he thinks they should do. (1:36:07) So they’re wrong. (1:36:08) And so they’re woke because of that.(1:36:10) So it’s not a useful term. (1:36:13) I don’t, I think it’s not. (1:36:15) Right.(1:36:15) It’s not useful. (1:36:16) No, I miss. (1:36:17) I hope I didn’t make that thing (1:36:19) that it is some kind of useful term.(1:36:20) What I’m trying to say is (1:36:22) James Lindsay created this bullshit term (1:36:27) to attack anti-war people (1:36:30) of which those, they just happen to be anti, (1:36:34) they’re not anti-Israel. (1:36:35) It’s just anti-war. (1:36:37) Because Israel needs you to be pro-war (1:36:40) to be pro-Israel.(1:36:42) You need both of them. (1:36:43) You can’t be pro. (1:36:44) I’m like pro-Israel but anti-war.(1:36:46) Like, no, you gotta kind of be pro. (1:36:47) So they need you to be both. (1:36:48) Okay.(1:36:49) So what they did, they created this bullshit (1:36:51) and it’s these daily wire people, (1:36:53) like all this group, (1:36:54) this group of people that created this thing. (1:36:57) What, how can we disparage this growing, (1:37:01) this disgusting, vile, pathetic anti-war movement? (1:37:06) We want women and children slaughtered. (1:37:08) We want our own men and women to die (1:37:10) and their limbs blown off.(1:37:11) We want them to have PTSD. (1:37:12) How do we get our people back onto this war machine? (1:37:16) And that’s what I think they did. (1:37:18) And that’s why Dave Smith (1:37:20) is like the head of the woke, right? (1:37:22) Is like the poster child of the woke, right? (1:37:24) What? (1:37:25) No, he’s just anti-war.(1:37:27) He’s literally just anti-war. (1:37:29) That’s it. (1:37:31) So that’s what they did.(1:37:32) And they failed. (1:37:33) And now they’re scrambling going, (1:37:35) see, I don’t think it’s genuine. (1:37:36) And I do get what your point is.(1:37:38) Cause Matt Ross is weird. (1:37:40) I think we’re on the same page now. (1:37:41) Yeah, yeah.(1:37:42) I think we’re on the same page for sure. (1:37:44) Because yeah, Dave Smith is not anything like a woke, right? (1:37:49) Even if we try to find a sincere definition of that, (1:37:53) he’s nothing like that. (1:37:54) It’s really what you said.(1:37:57) We’re not a hundred percent in favor (1:38:00) of what Israel is doing in Gaza. (1:38:04) That’s what he’s trying to say is woke, right? (1:38:07) You know, and that’s the whole daily wire right now. (1:38:09) And so that’s why Jordan Peterson is here.(1:38:12) I think he’s trying to subtly say, (1:38:15) hey, where are your guardrails, bucko? (1:38:17) It’s just like, from my perspective, it’s crazy. (1:38:23) Like how much their reputation has fallen (1:38:26) in the daily wire. (1:38:27) It’s just like, I don’t know about the right in general.(1:38:31) It’s hard to place like how much that the daily wire (1:38:36) represents the right in general. (1:38:38) But you know, given some of the things (1:38:40) that we’ve heard in the last few months (1:38:41) about Jeremy Boring stepping down as CEO (1:38:43) and financial issues, I really wonder, (1:38:46) like how are they doing? (1:38:49) Yeah, I don’t know. (1:38:51) Yeah, and it’s funny.(1:38:52) It’s like right when they’re struggling (1:38:54) because Jeremy’s mismanaging the money allegedly, right? (1:38:58) Like 50 million into some movie or whatever. (1:39:00) Like all these things, (1:39:02) that’s when they lose the ideological battle too. (1:39:06) So it’s a weird timing for that, right? (1:39:09) Like just on its own, so.(1:39:12) Yeah. (1:39:12) So that’s Walsh and Peterson, everybody. (1:39:15) That’s the daily wire.(1:39:16) Guardrails and how do we tell you how to tell what to do? (1:39:18) Now we got fun times. (1:39:19) We got Buck Sexton and Michael Malice (1:39:21) who will be at Freedom Fest. (1:39:23) Michael Malice, looking forward.(1:39:25) Hopefully I can stalk him, not stalk him, but talk him. (1:39:29) Oh, you’ll stalk him. (1:39:30) All right, what do we got, my friend? (1:39:32) You know, we got Buck Sexton.(1:39:34) He was on Michael Malice. (1:39:35) This is another section of the right. (1:39:37) And yes, I do kind of put Michael Malice on the right, (1:39:40) even though he says he’s an anarchist, (1:39:42) he talks to a lot of right-wing people.(1:39:43) He’s anti-communist. (1:39:44) He talks to a lot of right-wing people. (1:39:46) He’s friendly with them.(1:39:48) I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, (1:39:50) but you know, it seems a little too friendly sometimes. (1:39:54) I think he does kind of consider himself right (1:39:58) even though he is a very famous anarchist. (1:40:02) So who’s Buck Sexton? (1:40:03) I agree.(1:40:05) And I think Malice is more just anti-communist, (1:40:08) which is whatever that is, (1:40:09) it just puts you to the right of whatever that is. (1:40:12) Because like he grew up in it, right? (1:40:14) Didn’t he stay, didn’t he grow up in like, (1:40:16) kind of like Constantinople? (1:40:18) He was born in Ukraine, yeah. (1:40:20) Which was Soviet Union at the time.(1:40:22) Correct. (1:40:23) Yeah. (1:40:25) All right, so here’s Buck Sexton.(1:40:27) Who’s Buck Sexton? (1:40:28) Can you tell? (1:40:29) I don’t even know. (1:40:30) He’s like a conservative podcast or radio guy. (1:40:33) Okay.(1:40:34) He goes on Fox. (1:40:35) He goes on places. (1:40:36) Nice guy.(1:40:37) He just played Travis. (1:40:38) So that kind of tells me. (1:40:39) Very Matt Walshian.(1:40:40) You do know what he, (1:40:41) look, this is the thing. (1:40:42) I’m good. (1:40:43) You come at me straight with your belief, (1:40:45) your ideology, and you believe it.(1:40:47) You really believe it. (1:40:48) We can talk, man. (1:40:49) We can talk all day.(1:40:50) But you come at me with a lie. (1:40:52) Something you don’t believe (1:40:53) that you’re using to get in to get to the conversation (1:40:56) and we can’t do it. (1:40:57) Like, I think these people literally (1:40:58) just believe these things (1:40:59) and they’re just wrong.(1:41:01) Like, and that’s okay. (1:41:03) Cause I’m wrong and I’ve been wrong. (1:41:04) I will be wrong.(1:41:06) Like, that’s kind of the point, right? (1:41:07) Like we, we, the people on this side (1:41:09) have realized we’ve made mistakes (1:41:11) and we were bamboozled before (1:41:12) and we don’t want to fall for it again. (1:41:14) That’s just what I think. (1:41:15) So, all right.(1:41:16) Here’s a fun one about cops, I think. (1:41:19) Is that this one? (1:41:20) Yes. (1:41:21) Listen to the training of our police officers, (1:41:24) ladies and gentlemen, (1:41:25) your protectors, (1:41:26) those people who will stand in front of you (1:41:29) and protect you from bad people.(1:41:33) I remember when I was the NYPD (1:41:34) and we went out for range day (1:41:36) and just from my pretty limited CIA training, (1:41:39) the guys were like, (1:41:40) wow, how’d you learn how to shoot like that? (1:41:43) And I was kind of, (1:41:44) at first I was like, well, you know, CIA, (1:41:46) but then I was like, well, but I’m an analyst. (1:41:47) Like what, like you guys are cops, right? (1:41:49) How often do you shoot? (1:41:50) You know, you know, do you know how many rounds (1:41:52) most cops shoot in a given year? (1:41:54) No. (1:41:55) Less than a hundred.(1:41:57) Are you serious? (1:41:58) Less than a hundred. (1:41:59) I shoot, I go to the range, (1:42:01) I will shoot a thousand rounds in a day, (1:42:04) pretty readily, pretty easily. (1:42:07) You know, think of it like, you know, 60, 70 mags of a 15.(1:42:12) Like that’s not even, (1:42:14) people are like, that’s really expensive. (1:42:15) Well, you know, radio is a good business to be in. (1:42:17) Right.(1:42:18) But most law enforcement, it’s funny, (1:42:22) people are like, I think only the cops should have guns. (1:42:25) And this is, by the way, I’m not bragging. (1:42:26) And I spend time with guys who are SEALs and who are Delta.(1:42:29) And they’re like, you know, they’re like NBA players. (1:42:32) I’m like a good high school player. (1:42:33) Right.(1:42:34) But most cops wouldn’t even make the high school team. (1:42:37) That’s my point. (1:42:41) All right.(1:42:42) So cops, I mean, this is an issue (1:42:45) that the right doesn’t talk about enough that they should. (1:42:51) Authoritarian cops and the way it’s structured. (1:42:53) So talking about right-wing media (1:42:55) and the state of where everybody’s at, (1:42:57) I’m glad that at least somebody on that side (1:43:00) is bringing this up because we’ll get to more later.(1:43:04) But, you know, something I think, you know, (1:43:08) I thought maybe COVID would do more (1:43:10) to persuade people on this. (1:43:12) Cops went in and arrested moms (1:43:14) for taking their kids to playgrounds. (1:43:16) They stopped people from going to church (1:43:19) because of a virus that would potentially harm (1:43:24) 0.001% of the younger population.(1:43:30) It’s insane. (1:43:32) So if people did not learn that lesson, (1:43:35) that’s really something that conservatives need (1:43:37) to be better educated on. (1:43:42) Yeah, this one is shocking.(1:43:45) And I actually do have, or I’m sorry, (1:43:48) I may or may not have. (1:43:50) A service revolver that someone used (1:43:52) like Sergeant Smith or something. (1:43:54) It may or may not be a Glock 40 caliber.(1:43:57) It may or may not be. (1:43:58) Anyway, what’s funny is I go to Arizona, you know, (1:44:01) fire place to pick one up or whatever, (1:44:03) and they’ve got service revolvers. (1:44:04) And the guy’s like, yeah, it’s had 400, 500 rounds throughout.(1:44:09) And I’m like, what? (1:44:12) It has 400 rounds. (1:44:16) Each magazine holds 20. (1:44:19) So you’ve gone through 25 magazines.(1:44:22) That’s all that guy used to practice? (1:44:25) Like, yeah, he just used it for his proficiency. (1:44:28) And then he would just, okay, okay. (1:44:31) Are they shooting at him while he’s getting proficient? (1:44:33) Is he shaking? (1:44:35) Has he just run for a mile? (1:44:37) Has he gone under any stress? (1:44:39) Like, I understand they go through training.(1:44:41) I’m sure there is. (1:44:42) But look at some of these cops, guys. (1:44:44) Come on, man.(1:44:44) Look at these New York people. (1:44:46) Like, on their door to protect and serve. (1:44:49) They arrest you, they ain’t serving you, (1:44:52) and they sure as heck ain’t protecting you (1:44:53) if they can’t shoot right.(1:44:55) I’m sorry, they’re just not. (1:44:56) They’re just not. (1:44:58) Like, and we sit here and it’s crazy to hear it.(1:45:01) But this is the money. (1:45:02) And then we talk, who’s gonna do the cops? (1:45:04) It’s like, no. (1:45:05) How we do it is we have a private force (1:45:07) that is locally funded that answers to us as citizens.(1:45:12) They wouldn’t dare because they aren’t there (1:45:15) if we don’t take care of them. (1:45:17) Like, it’s just, they don’t exist. (1:45:18) So it’s like, we’re just taking the money, no, the cops.(1:45:21) And the whole defund thing, wrong, no. (1:45:24) And yeah, I would wanna add funds (1:45:26) because you want more, but they don’t use it right. (1:45:28) So get rid of the whole thing and restructure it.(1:45:30) How about restructure the police? (1:45:34) I’ll say defund, defund the police. (1:45:36) Yeah, cool. (1:45:37) I’m cool with that.(1:45:38) I mean, come on, you know what I mean. (1:45:40) I do. (1:45:40) But we don’t, look.(1:45:41) We also don’t wanna have a call and no one answers, right? (1:45:43) But there’s people, seven, 10 minutes, (1:45:45) they don’t even answer the phone. (1:45:47) Middle of emergency now. (1:45:49) No, yeah, yeah, yeah.(1:45:50) Yeah, exactly what you’re saying. (1:45:51) Like, we pay for it, we have no choice. (1:45:56) Even if they mess up and they continually mess up (1:45:59) and they don’t protect us, (1:46:00) which they are not meant to, by the way.(1:46:03) Supreme Court, multiple Supreme Court decisions (1:46:05) have said the police do not have a duty (1:46:07) to protect your life, your property, none of it. (1:46:12) And they can take it. (1:46:13) They’re not your friends.(1:46:14) They’re not there to protect you. (1:46:15) They’re not meant to be capable of protecting you. (1:46:18) They’re meant to clumsily be violent against citizens, (1:46:21) to remind you that you are not in control of your life.(1:46:25) They’re there to remind you (1:46:27) that the government has complete control over your life. (1:46:30) And if you step out of line in any way that they deem fit, (1:46:35) they can shoot you, they can kill you, (1:46:37) they can take your stuff, doesn’t matter. (1:46:41) Civil forfeiture, have 10 grand in cash (1:46:44) on your passenger seat when they pull you over (1:46:47) for your seatbelt.(1:46:48) When they actually followed you to the bank (1:46:50) and followed you home. (1:46:51) I’ve heard stories. (1:46:52) I’ve heard some crazy stories.(1:46:54) And they just pull over, it’s like, (1:46:55) oh yeah, that’s civil forfeiture, we can just take that. (1:46:58) Oh, you’re traveling with $10,000 in cash? (1:47:02) That’s weird. (1:47:03) Let’s take it until we figure out what’s going on.(1:47:06) Must be for something. (1:47:08) Yeah. (1:47:10) So, yeah.(1:47:11) And once again, police officers who choose, (1:47:14) that job is not easy, man. (1:47:16) I’m not disparaging. (1:47:18) Just like military service, (1:47:20) you guys are put in some really bad spots (1:47:22) and you chose it.(1:47:23) But if you did choose it, nut up, man. (1:47:26) Like get the training. (1:47:27) Like I do.(1:47:28) The one thing Andrew Yang said is like, (1:47:29) they should have like a purple belt or something. (1:47:30) Yeah, you should be able to fight. (1:47:32) You should be able to run.(1:47:33) You should be able to, you know what I mean? (1:47:35) Like be some shape that’s not round. (1:47:38) Yeah, but it’s a problem with the system, (1:47:40) not the people in it. (1:47:42) 100%, 100%.(1:47:44) So in the next clip, (1:47:45) the case that they make is they actively prohibit you (1:47:50) from also defending yourself, (1:47:52) which is another big problem. (1:47:53) So let’s look at this next one. (1:47:56) Keep things moving along here.(1:47:58) Yeah, and the problem is, (1:47:59) not only do they not help you, (1:48:01) they keep you from helping. (1:48:03) You’ve all say, which is one, (1:48:07) I mean, it’s like, (1:48:08) you know, I was gonna say, (1:48:09) like one of the most appalling school shootings. (1:48:10) I mean, they’re all, (1:48:11) all these kinds of mass shootings are demonic, by the way.(1:48:14) There’s that word again, or there’s that evil, (1:48:16) that clear evil. (1:48:18) But it showed people something as well (1:48:20) in terms of the government response. (1:48:23) And you all day in a very profound way (1:48:27) showed a lot of people, (1:48:29) if you think that when your life is on the line, (1:48:34) brave, well-trained men and women, (1:48:37) but most people think of men doing this, (1:48:39) are going to arrive and put their lives on the line for you, (1:48:43) you may be very disappointed.(1:48:47) But Buck, if it was just that, (1:48:50) we could wrap our heads around it (1:48:52) because it’s like, (1:48:52) I’m not putting my neck out for some kids (1:48:54) no matter what badge I have. (1:48:56) They held the parents back. (1:48:58) That’s the part that makes it a whole other level.(1:49:01) Well, it’s even worse. (1:49:02) They were more concerned about like departmental liability (1:49:06) than the active murder of small children, (1:49:10) small defenseless children. (1:49:11) And again, to the point that you made, (1:49:14) and where we were talking about before, (1:49:17) and it was interesting, (1:49:18) when we had, when that case happened, (1:49:20) on my show, my radio show, (1:49:21) we have a lot of law enforcement listeners (1:49:24) and they call on all the time, (1:49:26) they’re writing all the time.(1:49:27) And it was interesting, (1:49:28) there were some people who were like, (1:49:29) you can’t judge, like you weren’t there. (1:49:32) And I was like, no, no, I saw the video. (1:49:33) I can judge.(1:49:34) I would rather be dead (1:49:37) than be an adult with a firearm (1:49:39) who was present that day, (1:49:40) who did not go into that room. (1:49:42) No question, I would rather be dead. (1:49:48) Pretty much says it all, right? (1:49:50) Like, I’m sure there are cops out there (1:49:52) that would have gone in, (1:49:54) that would have been happy to sacrifice if they had to, (1:49:57) to help save some kids in there.(1:50:00) But that’s- (1:50:01) That’s one of the 200 that were outside. (1:50:03) Yeah, but that’s not the norm. (1:50:06) And likely, they would have been punished for doing so (1:50:10) because it wasn’t per protocol.(1:50:13) It wasn’t, as they talked about, (1:50:14) it wasn’t following departmental guidelines (1:50:17) and they would have been liable (1:50:18) for some something or other. (1:50:20) And they’re just not willing to do that. (1:50:23) So there’s something deeply wrong with the system.(1:50:27) And this is one thing that right-wing media (1:50:29) should be focused on because it’s a big problem. (1:50:34) I do think it’s a huge problem. (1:50:38) You and I probably very much look at the room.(1:50:40) We walk in a room, we’re like, how many exits are there? (1:50:42) Okay, is there a group of guys? (1:50:44) What are they, are they drinking? (1:50:44) Okay, that’s just drunk girls. (1:50:46) Guys, it’s a bachelorette party. (1:50:47) They’re harmless.(1:50:48) They’re just gonna be stupid. (1:50:49) Okay, but these guys are real quiet (1:50:51) and they’ve been slamming them back. (1:50:52) We gotta pay attention.(1:50:53) Like, we’re all doing this, right? (1:50:54) Like you, I just feel like you and I have this weird, (1:50:56) like, situational awareness (1:50:59) that it’s like a masculinity thing. (1:51:02) You run towards the gunshot when your kid’s in there. (1:51:05) You just do it.(1:51:07) The woman did. (1:51:08) She ran in, grabbed her kid. (1:51:09) Remember, came running out.(1:51:10) She said, F you, ran in, grabbed her kid, ran out. (1:51:13) Unbelievable, unbelievable. (1:51:15) And what happened, and watch that.(1:51:17) Watch Uvalde, guys. (1:51:18) Not what they showed you. (1:51:19) Just watch the general footage, the time.(1:51:21) They just stood there, stood there. (1:51:24) And I didn’t take that position to be a police officer. (1:51:28) I didn’t.(1:51:30) So I really, but if I did, that’s my duty. (1:51:36) Like, that’s kind of the point. (1:51:37) Like, you took the duty.(1:51:40) I do other, you know what I mean? (1:51:41) Like, I put my hand out when I break quickly. (1:51:45) Put my hand out. (1:51:46) It’s, are you okay? (1:51:47) It’s, you know, it’s just what we do.(1:51:49) It’s like the protection thing, the ultimate protection. (1:51:52) And how many shootings get stopped by civilians with guns? (1:51:56) Not the, not actual police. (1:51:59) Yeah, a lot, a lot.(1:52:01) A lot. (1:52:01) You look at the stats. (1:52:02) Yeah, yeah.(1:52:05) We got one more from Buck and Mike. (1:52:08) Grifters. (1:52:09) Going to Grifters.(1:52:10) By the way, have you ever seen that movie (1:52:12) with John Cusack and what’s, is it Angelica Houston? (1:52:16) I think it is. (1:52:18) Phenomenal movie in the eighties, Grifters. (1:52:20) It’s about con people, like con men.(1:52:22) Con men, con women. (1:52:23) Really, really good movie. (1:52:25) I’m intrigued.(1:52:26) I’ll check it out. (1:52:27) It is actually really good. (1:52:28) All right.(1:52:28) You want me to hit it or you need to set it up? (1:52:30) Hit it, go ahead. (1:52:32) All right. (1:52:32) People use the term grifter.(1:52:35) It’s all, by the way, it’s fair or unfair. (1:52:37) People just, if someone doesn’t like somebody else, (1:52:41) the first, on the right, (1:52:42) I feel like the first thing they go to is he’s a grifter. (1:52:44) By the way, hold on, hold on, hold on though.(1:52:46) There are lots of people you and I know in this space, (1:52:49) and I can’t think of names off my head, (1:52:51) who are just repeating the talking points (1:52:53) and read me to the audience (1:52:54) who don’t have any principles of their own. (1:52:56) And there are some- (1:52:57) Well, they may be a simpleton, (1:52:59) but like, are they a grifter? (1:53:00) Do you know what I mean? (1:53:01) Yes, they’re a grifter. (1:53:02) If they are saying things (1:53:04) that they fundamentally don’t believe in (1:53:06) to hoodwink the audience, (1:53:08) then I think that’s applicable.(1:53:09) I’m not saying there are no grifters. (1:53:11) I’m just saying everybody calls everybody (1:53:13) they don’t like a grifter. (1:53:14) No, no, so you don’t understand, there’s a hierarchy.(1:53:17) So after grifter, if you get successful enough, (1:53:19) you’re controlled to opposition. (1:53:22) Oh, that’s right. (1:53:23) So I think you and I are still grifters.(1:53:25) Like we haven’t- (1:53:26) We’re still grifter style? (1:53:27) Okay, all right, yeah. (1:53:27) Jordan is controlled opposition. (1:53:33) So.(1:53:34) What do you think? (1:53:34) I’m gonna last a bit of night before we call it a day, (1:53:37) but we wanna talk about this and talk it out, so. (1:53:40) Was he talking about Jordan Peterson there? (1:53:42) Jordan’s controlled opposition? (1:53:44) Yeah, he said he was controlled opposition. (1:53:46) Honestly, he might be.(1:53:47) But he’s friends with him. (1:53:48) But he’s friends with him. (1:53:49) See, now I do, this is, okay.(1:53:51) I love, let me get your thoughts on what grifters are (1:53:54) and how you do it. (1:53:55) What are your thoughts on that statement (1:53:56) that he was like defend, (1:53:57) almost defending or thinking they weren’t in? (1:54:01) Yeah, it’s definitely way overused, the term grifter. (1:54:04) Like anyone you don’t agree with is just, (1:54:07) oh, you’re doing this for the money.(1:54:09) But there are grifters out there. (1:54:10) And his definition was pretty good. (1:54:12) Like people that who are doing this (1:54:16) just for the prestige or whatever, you know, some money.(1:54:21) And they don’t actually believe what they’re saying. (1:54:23) That’s really it, right? (1:54:25) If you don’t actually believe what you’re saying (1:54:28) and you’re doing it because you see a market for it, (1:54:30) that’s the grifter. (1:54:33) So those people are out there.(1:54:35) But I think we might be able to point to someone (1:54:39) like James Lindsay at this point as a grifter. (1:54:43) Someone like Douglas Murray as a grifter. (1:54:47) Jordan Peterson, I don’t know.(1:54:51) There’s a line, maybe, maybe. (1:54:55) So those people are out there, (1:54:57) but it’s not as common as everyone says. (1:55:00) Like people will call Dave Smith a grifter.(1:55:02) Like what is he grifting for? (1:55:04) It’s just like, he’s anti-war. (1:55:07) He doesn’t, you know, he’s rejecting this, you know, (1:55:09) this monolith of big money going into military contracts (1:55:13) and killing people around the world. (1:55:15) That’s not a grift.(1:55:17) That’s something you actually believe in. (1:55:20) There’s no money on the opposite side, you know? (1:55:23) The money’s all on one side. (1:55:26) Trust me, it’s on the war side (1:55:27) because those are the ones that are paying for all the bombs.(1:55:29) Trust me, that’s the one that has all the money. (1:55:32) Yeah, so. (1:55:33) Good point.(1:55:33) What do you think? (1:55:36) Yeah, that’s exactly your point. (1:55:38) So, oh man, grifter. (1:55:42) Let’s see.(1:55:44) Peterson’s borderline, because this is what is, (1:55:46) okay, this is the word I’m trying to use. (1:55:47) Genuine. (1:55:49) Like genuine.(1:55:50) Peterson doesn’t feel genuine anymore. (1:55:54) He just doesn’t feel, I don’t feel the, (1:55:57) do you know what I mean? (1:55:58) It felt different when he spoke before. (1:56:03) Like Rogan’s still Rogan and Malice is Malice (1:56:08) and Smith has been Smith for this whole time.(1:56:12) So like, it is about, are they genuine? (1:56:15) I think you and I are genuine. (1:56:17) Are you and I wrong at times? (1:56:18) 100%. (1:56:19) But when we’ve discovered we were wrong, (1:56:22) we’ve gone, hey, we’re, I know.(1:56:24) I forgot you’re perfect again. (1:56:26) The perfect Jason. (1:56:28) But right, so like we do, once again, (1:56:30) reflection, recalculate, pivot.(1:56:33) Like Tim Dillon, as fake as his act is, (1:56:37) he’s like genuine a goof. (1:56:40) That’s the genuineness that is him, is his fakeness. (1:56:43) Like almost like, it’s weird.(1:56:46) Like Ricky Gervais might actually be an asshole, (1:56:48) but it just seems like, he seems like a genuine just person. (1:56:52) I don’t know. (1:56:52) It’s just, you get the vibe right, you know? (1:56:55) Yeah, and if you watch that whole Tim Dillon interview (1:56:58) on CNN, you might, at least I got the sense (1:57:01) that he was kind of nervous at some points (1:57:04) where he was like, oh shit, I actually have to defend (1:57:06) what the hell I’m talking about.(1:57:08) But he was like genuine enough to be nervous about it (1:57:12) where he’s like, okay, I actually have to make (1:57:14) a real point here, not just goofing around, (1:57:17) but like, okay, someone’s calling me on my shit. (1:57:20) I actually have to defend it. (1:57:22) So I got that sense from it.(1:57:24) And so that is why I think he is genuine (1:57:27) and not a grifter, because again, (1:57:29) the money is not on his side. (1:57:32) Right, and this is not about the actual ideas. (1:57:36) Because if you can, I’ve been compelled to change my mind.(1:57:39) So if you can do it, I admire those people. (1:57:42) I’ve been changed about Michael Jackson, for goodness sakes. (1:57:45) That’s a big one.(1:57:46) Like, that’s a hard one for me to like change. (1:57:49) That’s a hard one to go 180 on, okay? (1:57:51) So you compel me to change my mind, I’ll change my mind. (1:57:54) They’ve given me nothing, nothing that I can hold onto.(1:57:58) Douglas, I’ve watched every Lindsey. (1:58:01) I’ve watched Murray, Peterson. (1:58:02) I’ve watched them all and I just watch.(1:58:04) And then I’ll watch a Dave Smith and I’ll go, (1:58:06) there’s a refreshing piece of genuine realness. (1:58:10) Like it really just, yeah. (1:58:12) You can pick out some moments with Dave Smith (1:58:15) where I feel like he wasn’t being genuine, (1:58:18) but like it’s pretty obvious because it usually is.(1:58:22) Right, so we’ve got a minute, sir. (1:58:26) Before we call it a day. (1:58:28) State of the world.(1:58:28) Do you wanna get into, speaking of grifters, (1:58:30) do you wanna play one more thing (1:58:31) about the Murray, Peterson interview? (1:58:36) Which one, the propaganda one? (1:58:38) We would be number 14 here. (1:58:41) Yes, sir, we’ll do it. (1:58:47) The terrible hand of Iran is behind Hamas and Hezbollah.(1:58:54) Iran has absolutely no compunctions (1:58:55) about sacrificing every single Palestinian to the cause. (1:58:59) What possible response could Israel have (1:59:01) except to roll over and submit? (1:59:03) That’s not an option. (1:59:05) An army that fights by the laws of war, (1:59:09) which the IDF does, (1:59:10) the civilized army, (1:59:12) seeks to minimize the civilian casualties.(1:59:17) All right, guys. (1:59:18) Yeah, yeah, well, do we wanna call it (1:59:20) or are we gonna do it? (1:59:21) We can go through it. (1:59:23) We’ll call it.(1:59:24) Guys, take care. (1:59:24) You guys know what it is. (1:59:25) We talked about it.(1:59:26) We’ll talk offline. (1:59:26) Take care, everybody. (1:59:27) Bye! (1:59:30) I’ve got my iron and my six-string.(1:59:35) Gonna ride into the night. (1:59:39) And if the law doesn’t catch me, (1:59:43) well, I’m sure the desperation will in time.