Join Jason and Mark for a raw, unfiltered “If By Whiskey”, where we dive into the evolving landscape of masculinity in 2025. This episode explores what it means to be a man today—beyond stereotypes, societal pressures, and outdated tropes. From the rise of vulnerability as strength to the clash between traditional roles and progressive ideals, we’ll tackle the big questions: How do cultural shifts, technology, and media shape male identity? What does healthy masculinity look like in an age of AI, remote work, and global uncertainty? Expect sharp insights, real talk, and a few laughs as we peel back the layers of manhood in a world that’s rewriting the rules. Perfect for anyone curious about identity, gender dynamics, or just figuring out how to navigate life as a guy today. Tune in, reflect, and join the conversation.
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(0:20) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone, sir. (0:24) That kicks ass, man. (0:25) I love that intro.(0:27) If I do say so myself. (0:29) You crushed it. (0:30) And Roman, kudos Roman.(0:34) Awesome job, man. (0:35) It’s so cool in the way it fits. (0:37) We’re both we’re in the Southwest.(0:38) I’m going to stretch it out a little bit longer, I think. (0:42) But yeah, I like it. (0:43) Yeah, well, what we’ll do, let’s do a 30 second or something.(0:45) We’re doing outro too. (0:46) You’ll give you some opportunity to be creative on the end too. (0:49) But we’re going to do the intro for both.(0:51) We’re starting to get professional, sir. (0:53) Is the matrix thing like too much? (0:55) Is it does it fit? (0:56) I don’t know. (0:58) Did I ask you that before? (0:59) I don’t remember.(1:01) I think it looks great. (1:02) I think it fits awesome because like I said, (1:04) it’s kind of like has got this cool just chill vibe (1:07) that we’re just going to we’re going to go with. (1:09) So welcome, everyone.(1:10) Once again, we’ve got my friend drop the mask pod over here, Jason. (1:15) Yo. So, Jason, (1:19) what’s going on, my friend? (1:20) It’s been a week.(1:21) Hey, I’m good, man. (1:23) It’s been a week. (1:24) It’s been very busy, but I’m doing great.(1:27) I I’ve been being driven crazy by these tariffs, man. (1:31) I just don’t. OK.(1:34) I’m leaving like a one percent chance that there’s an upside to this, (1:38) that maybe Trump has this plan and he’s trying to get people (1:42) to get rid of all their tariffs. But (1:46) man, when when has one of his plans works? (1:49) When is you know, because he doesn’t he doesn’t telegraph his plans, right? (1:53) He will just say, oh, this is the best thing ever, no matter what. (1:56) But other people will come in and make excuses for him, right? (1:59) Like, oh, yeah.(2:00) No, he’s just doing this because every other country has tariffs on us (2:04) and he’s going to get them to go away. (2:05) But like people have always done this. (2:08) Going back to his first term, making excuses for him.(2:12) And it never works out the way that they say it will. Right. (2:16) Like the covid stuff is a big example.(2:19) 100 percent, my friend, like this thing’s driving me crazy. (2:22) So first of all, welcome, everyone. (2:24) We were starting to ramp up.(2:25) There’s already people already on today versus yes. (2:27) Last week, we had to warm it up a little bit, but welcome. (2:30) We’re going to talk about masculinity.(2:32) There’s a lot to talk about that. (2:33) Promise we’re going to get to that, everybody. (2:35) But Jason had to bring up tariffs.(2:37) There’s this is an absolute ridiculousness. (2:40) And the numbers that they’re coming up with that they think (2:43) they can generate from these tariffs, half a trillion, a trillion, two trillion. (2:48) And you’re sitting there like, hey, why do we need to bring in money? (2:51) Because we spend money.(2:54) How do you fix anything? (2:57) You cut spending. (3:00) That’s every tax is government spending. (3:03) That’s what it is, whether it’s a tariff, income, whatever.(3:06) And these people are they’re bamboozling you. (3:08) You think that that money saved is to give you money back (3:12) or to have your lower taxes? (3:13) You’re not getting five thousand in your pocket. (3:14) You’re not.You’re just not going to get that. (3:16) They’re going to give it to the other tax cut or some other break (3:19) and spend it somewhere else. (3:21) It’s not coming back to us.(3:23) And that’s that’s the issue. (3:26) It’s not how we’re generating revenue. (3:28) It’s literally how much we’re printing over our means.(3:34) Yes, absolutely right. (3:36) By the way, let’s introduce Mark. (3:38) Mark Sean Pulse, the Knocked Conscious podcast host.(3:42) Hey, buddy, I didn’t mean to skip over you. (3:45) This has just been driving me nuts, man. (3:47) And we are if I whiskey the new brand, it’s real good.(3:53) So but you nailed it last week. (3:55) Yeah, good. Sorry.(3:56) The Trump thing that like people have been making excuses like, OK, (4:01) we’re going to get rid of the IRS. (4:03) We’re going to get rid of income tax. (4:05) And this is going to fund the government.(4:06) Well, have you seen your taxes go down? (4:08) Like how long do we have to put up with both these high tariffs (4:12) and income taxes? Right. (4:14) That’s one thing. (4:16) And the Congress has power of the purse.(4:18) So once again, he’s he can’t cut income tax under emergency, (4:22) but he is implementing these tariffs under emergency. (4:26) Right. So like that’s how he’s usurping the the Congress.(4:29) But ultimate power of the purse is Congress. (4:32) But yet again, still no no declaration of war as we move battleships to Iran. (4:37) Like still.I mean, it’s craziness, right? (4:40) Oh, yeah. But then he also says that he wants no trade deficits, (4:45) which is just fucking retarded, man. (4:48) Like this is the stupidest thing that I’ve ever heard.(4:51) Like I’m at the point where I’m starting to think that Kamala Harris (4:55) would have been better than Donald Trump. (4:57) Like this is bad. (4:59) This is bad.Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. (5:03) Really? You’re there already. Yeah.(5:07) But she would have probably done a price control thing, right, (5:10) which would have been its own problem on all kinds of horrible things. (5:14) But it would have been kind of status quo. (5:16) This is upending the cart when you (5:20) unnecessarily say you don’t have a plan to fix it, (5:23) like you don’t have a follow up.(5:25) He’s just like, I’m going to do this because I’m Trump (5:27) and people are going to negotiate with me and I’m the best. (5:30) It’s just like, what is your plan? (5:33) Maybe he has one. (5:35) Like I said, I’m holding out a one percent chance (5:37) that there’s something he’s working on that will work out for the better.(5:41) But I really don’t think so. (5:44) And that’s so funny, is like they’re talking about, oh, (5:46) it’s going to bring industry back here is like, (5:47) do you know how long it takes to build a building? (5:50) You are in semiconductors, you’re in chips and stuff. (5:53) You know what TSMC is, right? (5:55) How long is that building been still being built? (5:58) They’re all 74 in Cave Creek.(5:59) It’s like been there for a long time. (6:02) Still being built. (6:03) They don’t even have the people ready for it.(6:04) They don’t have the personnel to fill it. (6:06) It’s going to be a problem. (6:08) And that’s not it’s not that we can’t do that.(6:10) But to your point, when we have elected officials for four or eight years. (6:16) You you can’t have long term plans. (6:19) And yeah, that’s a good point.Right. (6:21) I’ll use a weird comma. (6:22) I don’t I’m not a Kamala person and I’m not a communist.(6:26) But when you look at China and you look at their long term goals (6:30) and how they slowly meticulously go, everybody, we’re doing this to you. (6:35) But we’re also doing this for you. (6:37) You’re going to suck it up.(6:39) And ultimately, it’s better for everyone. (6:41) And they have 20, 30 year (6:43) you know, projects to, you know, to dam up things or to, you know, (6:47) they’ve got crazy stuff. (6:48) So I don’t agree with how because you and I are liberty minded.(6:52) But if we’re going to have tyranny, couldn’t we at least have (6:56) decent, structured, good tyranny, like with a good infrastructure? (7:00) Yeah, that’s kind of the Hoppian argument, right? (7:03) Like monarchy might be better in many cases than democracy for that reason, (7:07) because there’s no long term thinking ahead. (7:11) People have to make action. (7:12) Things happen right now.(7:14) They want short term results. (7:15) And that is not what is good for people. (7:18) So, yeah, maybe maybe something good will come out of this.(7:23) I’m really not convinced I have seen. (7:26) I think Taiwan and Vietnam also already said, OK, we’ll offer you zero tariffs. (7:31) Let’s let’s just have none.(7:33) And if everybody does that, great. That’s awesome. (7:36) But he wants this to fund the government.(7:38) He wants to replace income tax with tariffs. (7:42) And it’s just not it’s just not going to work. (7:45) No.And I’m telling you, it’s it’s totally like some kind of weird bait (7:49) and switch thing, or I don’t know, they’re just trying to do something now. (7:53) He got tariffs in his ear and he’s right. (7:55) Tariffs did fund it.We weren’t what we were. (7:58) When were we economically prosperous? (8:00) When tariffs were in place prior to the income tax? (8:03) You repeal the 16th. (8:05) You repeal the 17th and you get rid of the Fed.(8:08) Oh, now we’re talking. (8:10) Now we’re talking. (8:10) But we I mean, until we do those things, we’re not the republic that we were.(8:15) It’s a silly thing to think. (8:17) Think how and certainly not a state centralized republic. (8:20) Because remember, 1913 was not just the 16th Amendment was the income tax.(8:25) 17th Amendment was election of senators. (8:28) It used to be state chosen senators because the state, (8:32) if the state was red or blue, it would choose red or blue senators. (8:37) Generally, I would think sometimes they would balance, (8:39) depending on how how their structure was built.(8:41) And but it was state run. (8:43) And as soon as they made it a federal election, (8:47) once again, it took power from the states. (8:51) Yeah.And not to mention the Federal Reserve created in 1913. (8:56) All kinds of things. (8:58) World War one was just gearing up.(9:00) We’re getting ready to get involved with that. (9:03) It’s yeah, it was a bad year. (9:05) It was a bad year.(9:07) Protectionism, though, that’s what you know, that’s what people are citing. (9:10) With these tariffs, they’re saying that, oh, we’re going to bring jobs back to America. (9:14) We’re going to have these factory jobs as if that’s what people want to do.(9:18) We want to work in factories. No. (9:21) But say you even bring back 10,000, 100,000 factory jobs.(9:26) You don’t know the economic consequences of that. (9:29) You might be killing a million other jobs in other industries. (9:32) So it’s just it’s not worth it and it’s not going to help.(9:36) Yeah. And I heard arguments today. (9:38) It’s like, well, you’re if you have.(9:41) OK, so let’s bring it all back and it’s all automated. (9:44) Well, we still need people to fix the machine. (9:46) So some jobs fixing the automated machines after you bring the industry back (9:51) is better than no jobs being.(9:53) And you’re like, dude, is this literally you’re not an 80 chest, bro. (9:56) You you can’t even think three years ahead. (9:58) You can’t even get a four year budget plan.(10:01) I mean, these guys are budget 10 years out and how many they get. (10:03) What? They’re good for three years. (10:05) Every one of them is good for three years.(10:06) Why? Because we have four year cycles, two year cycles, six year cycles. (10:10) That’s it. No, we do not plan long term.(10:12) And they always go over anyway. (10:14) We sell out. What’s that? (10:16) They always go over anyway.(10:17) So who cares what? Why do we even have a budget? (10:20) Right. I mean, it’s almost the weirdest way. (10:22) Right.Exactly. (10:23) Money equal. Give them a slush fund.(10:25) And when it’s at zero, it’s zero. (10:27) That just be OK. You guys spend it.(10:29) And then when it’s, you know, you’re just out, you know, no, right. (10:33) Anyway, they have the power of the money printer. (10:35) So that’s why.(10:37) But that’s why we can be such a net importer. (10:40) Right. We can buy things because we print the money.(10:43) We have the World Reserve currency. (10:44) So this is he’s messing with things that if you really don’t know what you’re (10:49) doing, you probably shouldn’t mess with it because it is going to cause some pain. (10:55) And and maybe, you know, we do need to get rid of that stuff.(10:57) We do need to get rid of the Federal Reserve. (10:59) We do need sound money. (11:00) But if you don’t really know what you’re doing, you’re just going to make it worse.(11:05) One hundred percent and one percent. (11:07) So once again, welcome, everyone. (11:09) We’ve got 10 people on.(11:11) It’s another if by whiskey and today’s topic, sir. (11:15) Would you like to tell us a little bit about this topic here? (11:19) Yes. So if you guys followed us when we were Consciously Unmasked a whole (11:23) two weeks ago, we talked about Tim Walls and his comments when he went on Gavin (11:28) Newsom’s podcast and we made a lot of good fun of him because, God, he’s just (11:33) such a mindless robot of a person filled with Democrat talking points.(11:38) Everything’s racist, misogyny, fascism. (11:41) And he tried to he tried to flex and say that he could kick everyone’s ass, which (11:46) is hilarious. (11:48) And it’s worse because he really is a bad person.(11:52) If you guys remember, he was absolutely giddy to implement the worst of the terrible (11:57) covid policies five years ago. (11:58) He was the governor of Minnesota, set up snitch hotlines so people could tell on (12:04) their neighbors. He sent SWAT teams marching through neighborhoods, shooting at (12:08) people who were just sitting on their front porches for violating the measures, (12:12) shooting at them with paintball guns or beanbag rounds.(12:15) I’m not 100 percent sure which, but I think it was I think it was I think it was (12:19) both. Yeah. Yeah.(12:21) You can go find the videos and it’s enraging. (12:24) So this guy, even with how bad Trump has been, thank God. (12:28) He’s not in the White House.(12:29) He doesn’t deserve to be walking around freely, let alone going off spouting this (12:34) bullshit. But he is. (12:36) And he was on to some show and said some crazy stuff.(12:39) And it’s relevant to what we’re going to be talking about today. (12:43) Masculinity, and in case you missed it and you don’t know what we’re talking about, (12:47) we got a recap. (12:49) We definitely have a recap here, sir.(12:51) Let me pull this up. So are we going to play the back to back or are we going to do (12:55) the first one first? Just number one. (12:57) Yeah.All right. (13:01) Why is it not finding it? (13:02) That’s weird. (13:08) Zach keeps talking about this Mar-a-Lago Accords, by the way.(13:10) I don’t. It’s a plan to phase the dollar out of existence (13:14) in order to implement a new American centric world reserve, maybe. (13:19) Is that is that this one right here? (13:21) Yeah.Yeah. (13:22) Let’s talk about that real quick. (13:24) That’s always a possibility.(13:25) I still have not heard of the Mar-a-Lago Accords outside of Zach spamming us on (13:30) here. It just sounds like it’s one of the is it is it one of those things where we’re (13:34) doing something with the CBDC, some kind of centralized digital. (13:37) And that’s what it sounds like for me.(13:39) Coin DC all over. (13:40) Yeah. (13:41) Whatever.And once again, Trump ran against that. (13:45) So Trump, you know. (13:47) Trump coin is the new currency.(13:50) All right. Now, I I don’t have a bone to pick with you, sir, but I have a bone to pick (13:55) with you, sir. You’re you’re making us play Michael Waltz, Mike Waltz multiple times (13:59) when we’re not.We’re kind of making fun of him, but like we got to find new things. (14:02) He is a treasure trove of things to make fun of. (14:06) I know.I just I want to recap, because this one is directly related to the (14:10) masculinity stuff that we’re going to talk about. (14:12) One hundred percent. You ready, buddy? (14:14) Yeah.All right. There is a crisis. (14:16) Some of us scare him.I scare him a little bit. (14:18) Why they spend so much time on. (14:20) No, I’m serious, because I can’t fix a truck.(14:22) They know I’m not bullshitting. (14:24) You think I’m afraid to rebuild a carburetor? (14:26) I eat carburetors for breakfast. (14:27) I ain’t afraid of bears.(14:29) Most of their ass. (14:30) I do. But I’m not afraid to win.(14:35) They ain’t afraid of bears. (14:36) I’m not afraid of women. (14:40) I just had to get that guy again, man.(14:42) I’m sorry. That will never not be funny. (14:45) I’m not afraid of anyone.(14:47) I’m not afraid of women. (14:50) I’m afraid of not women. (14:52) I’m not scared of them.(14:53) They don’t scare me one bit. (14:55) Those sexy bitches. (15:00) Like, OK, I’m not afraid of bears.(15:02) Does that I mean, does that make you a man? (15:04) Because you probably should be afraid of bears. (15:06) Let’s be honest. (15:08) OK, I was going to pull it up here because when you mentioned the bear thing.(15:13) Yeah, I just watched a video of a guy scuba diving and a fucking shark is like boom. (15:19) And it’s like great. (15:20) What you see the teeth from the video and you you see him do the thing on the nose.(15:25) And dude, the dude’s a man. (15:27) He’s a man. (15:27) He’s doing what he needs to do to not get fucking eaten.(15:29) But you hear him screaming underneath in his scuba like, oh, get away. (15:35) I told you to get away. (15:36) And you’re just watching this freaking thing going totally like, what would you do? (15:40) What would you do? (15:41) The guy did everything a man needs to do.(15:44) But like, yeah, he was scared shitless the whole fucking time. (15:47) Oh, we’ll be screaming that. (15:49) Yeah, that would be fucking terrifying.(15:51) Absolutely. (15:52) And there’s nothing wrong with being scared. (15:53) That doesn’t make you not a man to be afraid.(15:56) There are legitimate reasons to be afraid of things. (16:01) Yeah, 100 percent. (16:03) But the men, we talk about the jumping in front of instinctually, right, (16:06) running toward the fire, the instinct to write and we’ll get into all that for sure.(16:10) Yeah, there’s a protection aspect. (16:12) Yeah, for sure. (16:13) So anyways, that was the recap.(16:15) That’s why we’re talking about this, because there was so much more (16:18) that we could have gone off of that. (16:21) And so here’s a couple of new clips from the same same episode. (16:26) Of the Newsome cast, I don’t even know what he calls it, but (16:30) number two, who’s cast, maybe he had the douche.(16:34) And it’s really interesting because Newsome seems to kind of get it a little bit. (16:40) He’s like at least being a little bit self-reflective. (16:42) But Walls is just like (16:45) diarrhea, Democratic talking points.(16:48) Yeah. And if I may, I have not watched much of the Gavin Newsome stuff, (16:53) but I’ve watched I I would give him political credit (16:57) for bringing on guests who he’s brought on. (17:02) However.Softball City, have you watched some of these conversations? (17:06) I have not seen Charlie Kirk like lick somebody’s boot even more than that. (17:10) Like or whatever. It’s like weird, right? (17:13) Or was it post it wasn’t posterized Kirk, right? (17:15) Kirk was on.Yeah, Charlie Kirk. (17:16) And you have Bannon and Bannon. Yeah.(17:19) And come on. It was almost like a weird love that’s like, guys, (17:22) we’re in the same club, right? (17:25) We are two wings of the same bird, right, guys? (17:28) And like you saw that happen, right? (17:30) They’re they’re chummy because they literally are not going to actually (17:35) be principled and stand up for their part, because who would you think (17:38) you’d invite them on there? (17:39) You think you’d actually clip that if they attacked him? (17:41) No, they have to play this weird, odd, you know, judge game. (17:45) Yeah, there’s something about that, right? (17:48) Like any guess that we would have or anyone would have.(17:52) You can’t just full throated attack them while they’re on your show (17:55) because they’re going to leave or they’re just, you know, (17:58) they’re going to find a way to mess you up. (17:59) So, yeah, I find it. (18:02) But remember, he wasn’t the inviter.(18:04) Gavin was the inviter that gives the guest a little more free range. (18:09) And they didn’t really take advantage of that, I think. (18:12) You know what I mean? (18:13) Because I came down.(18:14) It’s like, Gavin, you asked me to come on. (18:17) You know, you invited me for my opinion. (18:20) This is my opinion.(18:21) You know, it’s it’s interesting that we still have a lot. (18:24) Like it just speaks to the general kindness of people. (18:27) I think they don’t want, you know, can’t get too out of hand.(18:28) Right. You have to play this odd game. (18:31) So anyway, true.(18:33) I can’t message to misogynists. (18:36) I can’t message that women shouldn’t have. (18:38) But I think when we say people are misogynists, then we’re falling prey.(18:41) We’re in that frame. (18:42) Not everybody that disagrees with us is a misogynist. (18:45) But I think this notion of I think it’s (18:48) this notion of toxicity and masculinity needs to be separated.(18:53) And I think it’s been conflated. (18:54) And I think we’re going to have to work on that a little bit. (18:58) And I think there’s look, there is a crisis.(18:59) Some of us scare them. (19:00) I think I scare them a little bit why they spend so much time on it. (19:03) No, I’m serious, because I can fix a truck.(19:05) They know I’m not bullshitting on this. (19:07) I’m not putting this in people’s grill. (19:09) I don’t know if my identity is not hunting.(19:12) My identity is not football coaching. (19:15) My identity is not, you know, a beard and a truck. (19:18) I like all those things.(19:20) But how did we get to this where have they figured it out (19:23) that the identity piece of this is more important than the actual substance? (19:32) What did did fucking identity politics (19:36) just call out the other side for identity politics? (19:40) Did I hear that? (19:42) Yeah, I wish there was more to that. (19:44) I only got that cut off right there. (19:47) But what is he saying about do they realize the identity (19:51) is bigger than the actual substance? (19:58) Interesting, isn’t it? (19:59) This is what we make fun of them for.(20:01) This is no identity is not more important than substance. (20:06) This is exactly why we’re doing this, (20:09) because you guys keep pushing this bullshit. (20:12) He talks about hunting.(20:13) Show you can operate a fucking rifle, dude. (20:16) Show that you can operate that shotgun. (20:18) And I will absolutely call you a competent hunter.(20:21) But don’t fucking do substance when you show me incompetence. (20:26) I work on my truck and I think that scares people. (20:30) And then like he starts out, he’s like, everyone’s a misogynist.(20:34) This is just embarrassing. (20:37) It’s embarrassing. (20:38) Like how little he seems to have thought about this.(20:40) It’s it’s regurgitation of political bullshit. (20:46) You know, at least Newsom’s like, hold on, there’s more to this than just (20:48) we can’t just write everyone off on the other side. (20:50) Not everyone’s a misogynist who disagrees with us.(20:54) There might be a legitimate argument. (20:56) And I was just like, no, they’re racist. (20:58) They’re sexist.(21:00) They’re fascists. (21:01) It’s just, yeah, come on, dude. (21:03) Like, what are you in high school? (21:06) This is not going to fly.(21:08) I mean, this is from the guy whose wife had to open up the window (21:11) so she could smell the burning tires from the riots. (21:15) So it would connect her to those poor indigent people (21:18) that are in the inner city. (21:21) Like, listen to how captured these fucking people are.(21:25) But it’s so ideologically not. (21:29) It goes against like all the urges of like what men and women are in general. (21:35) Like this is an attack on masculinity.(21:37) It’s like attack on human culture and human nature. (21:40) That’s what it’s like. (21:41) They’re trying to they’re trying to behaviorally engineer human nature.(21:45) And that’s not that doesn’t work. (21:49) Yeah, exactly. (21:50) Let’s keep going, because there’s there’s one more clip of walls.(21:54) This is the last one. (21:55) I promise you better not be lying to me, man. (22:00) Now we’re going to really transition into the masculinity part of it.(22:03) So they already mentioned a little bit about toxic masculinity. (22:06) We got to separate that from what masculinity is. (22:10) So let’s see what they say here, because I saw it for me.(22:16) And it’s not that I spend much time thinking about this, (22:18) and it just baffled me (22:19) how much time they spent trying to attack me, (22:22) that I wasn’t like masculine enough in their vision. (22:24) Like I would have never believed this. (22:25) I saw Fox News did like a couple of days because I used a straw.(22:29) And I’m like, hell, man, what am I? (22:31) How else do you drink a milkshake type of thing? (22:33) But they they focused on it obsessively, which I think, again, (22:36) is their obsession, their weirdness. (22:38) We buy their frame on these issues of sexuality. (22:41) You know, but the whole thing was is that they spent all their time.(22:44) These guys on Fox News that that was it was gay, not masculine. (22:47) And, you know, he doesn’t coach football the way he should or does. (22:51) What do you what do you think about this? (22:53) I mean, I mean, it’s the misogyny in here that’s out.(22:56) Yeah, well, but this notion of masculinity is is deeply part of it. (22:59) That’s one of the I mean, I think it goes, you know, and you can look (23:02) at the reasons why we’ve had this sort of dialectic over the MeToo movement. (23:06) We’ve had this dialectic even prior to the MeToo movement.(23:08) And this notion of fight it. (23:10) And well, this this notion of take most of their ass. (23:12) I do think I want to do.(23:14) I know I can run, but I don’t know if we’re going to fall into that place (23:17) where we want to. (23:18) OK, we challenge you to do, you know, a WWE fight here type of thing. (23:24) How many times did he kick their ass? (23:26) Is that the third time from a different clip? (23:29) It’s the same clip.(23:30) Oh, he. Oh, yeah. (23:32) It’s just extent.I extended that one. (23:34) No, no, it’s cool. I’m just like, yeah, man.(23:37) Yeah, dude. (23:38) First of all, OK, is drinking out of a straw gay? (23:41) I think we need to answer this milkshake out of a straw (23:46) or drinking anything out of a straw. (23:48) Is that gay? No.(23:52) Oh, OK. First of all, McDonald’s soda can only be drank (23:56) through that exact diameter straw that they give you. (24:00) The McDonald’s soda has been brixed.(24:02) I don’t know if you know what brixing is, but it’s the (24:04) the connection of the CO2 with the with the water (24:08) and the amount of fountain soda. (24:10) Those things are like, well, they used to be. (24:12) I think we’ve blown that up, but it used to be so perfectly aligned (24:16) where they’re trying to make a currency.(24:17) It’s a different thing. (24:19) Exactly. And but the diameter of the straw is perfect (24:23) to the point where Wendy’s made their straw bigger, (24:25) knowing that it hits the tongue more and like creates a bigger flavor.(24:29) So, yes, the straw is absolutely mandatory. (24:31) I will I will die on that hill. (24:35) OK, I will leave it.(24:36) I’ll leave it there, then. (24:38) You’re like, I’ll let you die on that hill. (24:41) I don’t use straws, not for any particular reason.(24:45) I just don’t. I don’t like them. (24:47) I’ll just say hands behind your back, leaning forward and just (24:52) that’s gay.(24:57) It’s how your hands are off. (24:59) That’s how you drink from the straw. (25:01) You don’t hold it like this.(25:02) You don’t, you know, (25:04) by the way, is this Newsome dude, is he trying to get the Trump thing? (25:09) This hand, I think, is going to be it’s going to be the death in him (25:13) if he can’t get that under control. (25:14) There there is no one can take him seriously with that. (25:18) What about milkshakes? (25:20) Should a grown man drink a milkshake? (25:23) That’s Daniel Day Lewis did it, and there will be blood.(25:27) Milkshake. Hmm. (25:30) Anyway, I don’t know.(25:31) Do you feel like that’s some Hollywood propaganda, though? (25:34) We are we turn this into a Michelle Obama podcast all of a sudden? (25:38) Well, what do you think about milkshakes, Jason? (25:40) Are straw sandwiches? (25:43) I’m not. I’m not. (25:44) I was just playing.(25:46) I’m going to get it to serious. (25:49) I was trying to have a little fun. OK.(25:50) We’re having fun. We’re having fun. (25:52) No, we’re definitely having fun.(25:53) Welcome, Justin, by the way. (25:54) Justin’s back on. (25:58) I didn’t say that, but that’s what he said.(26:01) Justin says everything Mark said sounded gay just now. (26:07) Well, calling a spade a spade. (26:10) Yeah, it’s it’s a bear.(26:11) It’s a burden I got to bear. (26:11) I got a burden. I got a bear or something across.(26:14) I got a bear. Yeah. (26:16) But anyways, anyways, so Wallace is saying (26:20) they made fun of me for drinking out of a straw or something.(26:23) And Fox News went on this whole three day thing, calling me gay (26:26) because I didn’t do masculinity right. (26:28) And it’s like. (26:30) The reason that they went on this tirade is because.(26:35) The marketing around the Democratic Party was framing him exactly (26:39) as this manly component of the Democrat ticket, you know, (26:43) because they do see masculinity as this caricature. (26:47) And I brought that up in the episode last time. (26:49) But that that message was all over the corporate press (26:52) that Wallace brings a masculine flavor to Kamala’s ticket.(26:55) And and that’s why they made fun of you, dude. (26:58) Like whatever he’s bringing, it is not masculinity. (27:03) Yeah, I think they even try to play into it (27:06) the way they had him sit in on Kamala’s interviews.(27:10) To make him look like that bigger, like, oh, look at me coming in. (27:14) Remember, she was he was even sitting higher than her. (27:16) Like it was awkward.(27:18) There were some weird visuals. (27:20) I and I’m telling you, they do that stuff intentionally. (27:23) That lighting and all that stuff is done very intentionally.(27:27) So it makes you start wondering. (27:28) It’s like they knew they were in trouble from the get go. (27:31) I mean, the masculinity ticket.(27:33) I mean, come on. (27:35) I mean, Kamala’s more masculine. (27:36) Part of that was just covering up for Kamala being retarded.(27:39) Like she couldn’t answer a question, but. (27:41) It was a little bit of that. (27:43) We need someone who can actually speak.(27:44) So Wallace can do that. (27:46) He can talk. (27:46) Not that he could, though.(27:48) I mean, seriously, I saw the watch it. (27:49) The J.D. I I didn’t know J.D.’s debate skills (27:53) going into the one with he and he and Walt. (27:56) But coming out of that, J.D. (27:57) seemed pretty competent debate wise.(27:59) I don’t know if he won or lost. (28:01) I’m not going to do that. (28:01) But he seemed way more common.(28:02) I will say I thought Waltz was going to do very well. (28:05) J.D., you haven’t earned that title. (28:07) The respect you call him, Mr. (28:09) Vice President.(28:13) Well, we tried to get the country and you know, you have ocean between you (28:18) and you know, even think you can go to Ukraine and have it go to J.D. (28:23) What you talked about, J.D., I doubt that. (28:27) I thought that was your title. (28:29) I don’t know what you’re talking about.(28:31) Oh, by the way, I’m officially challenged. (28:34) I’m dropping the gauntlet to Kyle Dunnigan. (28:36) I don’t want to stalk him, but you and I both met.(28:40) First of all, you and I met at a Kyle Dunnigan show. (28:43) And it was true. (28:44) And it was awesome.(28:46) And he was just on Rogan. (28:47) And just listening to it is so funny because I think that we could all (28:51) have a great conversation. (28:52) He could throw our OK.(28:53) You got Trump. (28:54) We’ve got Jordan Peterson. (28:56) Shapiro can come in.(28:57) And I did want to do the Shapiro, if I may. (28:59) What do you mean Israel is getting a getting a tariff tariff? (29:02) Israel shouldn’t get no tariff. (29:03) There’s 70 percent, 70 percent, zero percent tariff, tariff, tariff, tariff.(29:07) But only with Israel. (29:10) All the all the other countries go fucking. (29:12) But no, fuck that tariff on Israel.(29:15) No, no, sir. We will not have that. (29:18) Yeah, I saw that.(29:20) Very on brand for him. Yeah. (29:23) Very, very current Shapiro, isn’t it? (29:25) Like these guys, when they fall, boy, do they fucking fall? (29:29) And I heard for the first time, (29:31) I think Candace actually has more viewers than Shapiro now after breaking.(29:35) That is impressive. (29:38) And she is a bulldog, man. (29:40) You do not want to get on her bad side.(29:43) If she really gets in touch with her libertarian side, (29:47) she could be a force to be reckoned with, because remember when she first came out (29:50) like her first time on Rogan, she started like saying some stupid shit (29:55) about climate change, like she really did not know what she was talking about. (29:58) I don’t know why that sticks in my head, but it was like, OK, (30:01) she’s saying some good stuff and then just messed it up. (30:05) But she’s learned a lot since then.(30:07) That was years ago. (30:08) So she talks to Dave Smith. (30:10) She talks to (30:12) did she talk to Scott Horton, too? (30:15) Yeah.And he and Carol. (30:17) Yeah. And he and Carol and her kind of this new, (30:21) really new independent, independent wave like they’re even outside (30:26) of like the corporate new independent movement.(30:29) You know what I mean? (30:30) Like, I know Rogan’s Rogan, but Rogan’s still an enterprise in itself. (30:34) Right. Like Spotify, 200 million, whatever they are.(30:37) Obviously, all these other podcasts are. (30:39) But The Daily Wire and all that, all these people have now broken away (30:41) and are doing it here still like almost a counter (30:46) to this corporatization of the new independent movement (30:50) that started getting popular and getting money. (30:53) If that makes like, you know, I mean, if that makes sense.(30:56) Absolutely. Yeah. (30:57) It’s like I’m still checking.(30:58) I can’t speak for all of her opinions. (31:00) I don’t really watch her regularly. (31:01) I see clips, you know, just like pretty much everybody.(31:05) So I think there’s probably still a lot that she’s not good on, but still (31:10) she’s getting there. (31:11) I think she’s going to get her. (31:12) You couldn’t be more wrong, Justin.(31:14) I’m just saying, yes, but (31:16) yes, he couldn’t get through affirmative action. (31:18) Now she’s competent. (31:20) But the thing is, you were right.(31:22) I think she was like, you know, anti-racist and all that other stuff. (31:25) At the beginning. (31:26) And then she saw that it was bullshit.(31:28) You know, it’s kind of like how I was that. (31:31) I was at Bulldog Neocon for, you know, in Iraq and all that stuff. (31:35) I believe we should do it.(31:36) Blow them up. Fuck it. Who cares? (31:38) It’s just it’s just women and children in some fucking sandpit.(31:41) What do I care? (31:42) Like, seriously, what? (31:43) You know, I could so naive, you know, like just myopic (31:47) and so clearly selfish, you know, and they hate us. (31:51) If they had their way, they’d come blow us all up right now. (31:54) They want it.They want to win our freedom. (31:56) They’re jealous of our freedoms. (31:58) You got to fight them over there so they don’t come over here and blow us up.(32:02) Right. So once again, we took a little tangent, (32:05) but we’re back on masculinity, everybody. (32:07) Welcome to everyone who’s joined us for another if by whiskey (32:10) and if by masculinity, you mean.(32:13) So I’m asking you. (32:15) Yeah, where are we? (32:17) We’re talking about masculinity today because it gets so confused (32:20) and perverted in people’s minds. (32:21) So we’ll talk about what we think it is, what’s good about it, (32:25) what can go wrong, whether or not it’s toxic, all that good stuff.(32:29) We got a clip from Dave Smith. (32:33) Speaking of Dave Smith and Candace Owens, (32:35) he brought this up on Joe Rogan this last week. (32:39) I forget which day that came out, but he was talking about (32:43) he brought up Andrew Tate, which we’ll talk about.(32:46) He brought up just the general feeling of people (32:52) putting men down. (32:53) Right. I think that’s what we’re getting into here.(32:58) It’s kind of weird because it’s like another Ron Paul was right again. (33:03) I mean, you talk about CIA blowback like I look at this stuff (33:08) and we look at like cultures, right? (33:10) I look at the Gen X people like my people coddled our kids (33:13) to make the millennials to make them like soft. (33:15) And then look at this new generation that’s coming up.(33:17) It’s kind of a little more resilient than the millennials were. (33:19) You know, I mean, like (33:21) there’s always a counter (33:22) push to the general wave that it’s going to some way. (33:25) And this is kind of how this grew, in my opinion, what what we faced.(33:29) Oh, masculinity is inherently wrong. (33:31) What do you think is going to come out of that? (33:33) And then like the same people are like, where did this Andrew Tate guy pop up from? (33:36) And you’re like, you made him. (33:37) You made him.(33:39) If you wanted to make him, you couldn’t have done a better job. (33:46) I guess that’s it. We lost the sound.(33:49) I don’t know what happened there. (33:50) You want to try it again? (33:52) Well, let’s see if it worked. (33:53) So, yeah, hopefully it works.(33:56) OK, yes, you’re going to sit here and for fucking 15 years (34:00) tell young white men that they are toxic and they are the problem (34:04) and their masculinity is inherently wrong. (34:06) What do you think is going to come out of that? (34:08) And then like the same people are like, where did this Andrew Tate guy pop up from? (34:12) And you’re like, you made him. (34:13) You made him.(34:14) If you wanted to make him, you couldn’t have done a better job. (34:18) That was it. Yeah, yeah.(34:21) So, yeah, if you wanted to make him (34:23) just like Trump, man, I think this is the same phenomenon. (34:26) It’s people pushing on something like masculinity. (34:30) And, you know, maybe you can make a good argument that men have had undue power (34:34) and abused it a little bit as a, you know, a general thing.(34:39) Not everybody, of course. (34:40) So you can make that argument. (34:41) But then there’s this pushback and then there’s a reaction to that pushback.(34:45) So with Trump, it’s like it’s all of that stuff. (34:48) It’s everybody being like, oh, white men are the worst Americans (34:52) being proud of your country is terrible. (34:54) And and then Trump’s like, no, this is great.(34:56) You guys are awesome. We love you. (34:58) And everyone’s just like, OK, this is good.(35:01) So Trump is, I think, a reaction to that perversion of whatever (35:06) ideology is happening at the moment. (35:08) So masculinity is a big part of that. (35:12) One hundred percent.(35:13) And 2016 showed that. (35:17) We all talk about Trump beginning this whole weird (35:20) bulliness that he is. No, no, no, no, no, no.(35:23) He was the result of all the shit that we went through over (35:27) since Bush senior and Clinton and to Bush to and Obama. (35:33) All those shitty policies come home to roost. (35:36) And we kind of had it.We were fed up. (35:37) And Brexit was happened to be right at the same time (35:41) because we all got fed up. (35:43) All the people who believed in liberty and the freedoms (35:46) and the stuff we grew up on saw this stuff going away in a very quick way.(35:50) And they weren’t happy anymore. (35:52) And they really they really were the effect. (35:54) This is the result.(35:56) Trump is the result. (35:57) We are the fault to make Trump. (35:59) And not only that, Trump could have been gone now.(36:03) No, no, no, no. (36:04) He had to lose in 2020 and fucking stretch it out another four years. (36:09) So now we got 12 years of this stuff.(36:11) You know what I mean? (36:12) Like it’s been so heavy on us to talk about this with everyone (36:17) because we just want to talk. (36:19) We just want to get better. (36:20) And like people just take their side, just know, you know.(36:24) And I thought this I thought being like looking everything objectively (36:28) would make more friends. (36:29) And all it’s done is made it an enemy. (36:34) Yeah, exactly.(36:35) Yeah, Justin says Trump’s nationalism was a direct (36:38) clapback against 15 plus years of anti-American rhetoric (36:42) from our own institutions. (36:44) Yeah, they seem to be directly sabotaging it. (36:46) And it’s really crazy.(36:48) And that doesn’t mean that everything Trump does is good. (36:51) But he recognized that he got on board with it. (36:54) And he amplified that message and said, no, you guys are great.(36:57) We love men. (36:58) We love white people, you know, even though (37:01) people will interpret that the wrong way. (37:03) It’s just like especially white men have been just (37:09) pushed to the side like, nope, you guys are out.(37:12) You had your time. (37:13) And now it’s time for everyone else to take over. (37:16) But that doesn’t create a good outcome.(37:19) You know, like fighting racism or sexism with more racism (37:24) or sexism does not fix it. (37:27) It just amplifies the problem. (37:29) So that’s kind of where we are, right? (37:32) And that was its own blowback, right? (37:35) Like the anti-racism was against the racism (37:39) that there was that you could find, you know, and there is racism.(37:43) But it’s not 1960s people. (37:46) It’s not in the 1930s. (37:47) Like, it’s a different it’s not the same.(37:49) I think we can. (37:50) I think we can also all agree on that. (37:52) But it became an industry, didn’t it? (37:54) Not not enough to be anti-racist.(37:56) You be actively anti-racist. (37:59) And then some rabbi goes into Congress today. (38:02) Right.This week, last week, Rabbi (38:06) Stuckham, Stuckham, Stuckups, whatever. (38:08) I don’t know what his name is. (38:09) He goes in, he goes.(38:10) It’s not enough to be anti-anti-anti-Semitic. (38:14) You’d be actively anti-anti-Semitic, (38:17) actively anti-anti-Semitic. (38:20) And you’re like, you just fucking fought that for fucking (38:24) 10 years on the other side.(38:26) And that’s just what got Trump elected was this retardery (38:31) on the other side that they fucking threw at us. (38:34) And now you want to the first the first order of business (38:37) is to make anti-Semitism a health crisis. (38:41) That was your first order of business.(38:42) I’ve I heard cash to open his fucking mouth one bit about the CIA (38:46) and how shitty they are while he fucking bitched about him for two years. (38:49) Not a fucking word, man. (38:51) And I get, oh, and I don’t know if that’s masculinity, but I took I, (38:56) you know, I’m just that the righteous outrage.(38:59) That’s part of it. Yes. (39:01) But it’s how you use it.(39:03) It’s how you channel it. (39:06) Right. Yes.(39:07) So we’re going to talk about we’re talking about masculinity. (39:10) What is it? (39:11) I mean, people think of like strength, kind of like a duty and honor. (39:17) Patriotism, even stoicism.(39:21) I mean, what what do we think that masculinity is? (39:25) Because it’s not something that just sits alone in a vacuum, right? (39:28) You got to compare with the opposite side and maybe it’s not even opposing. (39:32) But you know what I mean? (39:33) Like femininity, right? (39:34) That’s the counter the counterbalance. (39:37) Like you wouldn’t have this thing defined as masculinity (39:39) if there wasn’t something else on the other side.(39:41) So and you need both. (39:44) So what I mean, maybe we could talk about a couple of things. (39:47) What do you think masculinity is? (39:51) Yeah, so this is where we pulled up.(39:54) I pulled up ten of them. (39:55) Were we just going to talk about a couple of them, Jason? (39:57) We just want to go back and pick a couple of your favorite ones, (39:59) maybe one at a time. Yeah.(40:01) Yeah. So the first one that I came up with, (40:03) just in a general sense, and I mean, it’s good for everyone, (40:07) but masculinity is for me, it’s responsibility. (40:10) And that means fiscal, personal, communal.(40:13) You don’t infringe on others with any of your, you know, (40:16) with with the way you live your life. (40:18) You pay your bills, you honor your commitments. (40:21) So I think I always thought that found that just a responsibility (40:24) portion of that is highly masculine.(40:29) Absolutely. That lines up exactly with one of mine, (40:32) which I’ll put a little libertarian flavor on it. (40:35) But I would call it self-ownership, right? (40:37) You you own yourself.(40:38) You’re responsible for protecting you, yourself, your own development, (40:42) your own needs, meeting your own needs. (40:45) And that, you know, kind of encompasses a lot of things to do that. (40:49) You’ve got to be strong.(40:51) Oh, hey, strong, purposeful, resolute. (40:54) Absolutely. Those are great things.(40:57) That feed into that self-ownership. (41:00) So, yeah, great one. (41:02) So what’s one for you? (41:03) So you go next.(41:05) So so beyond self-ownership, you also, I think, need self-control. (41:10) So that’s including like remaining calm in a crisis, (41:14) being able to control your emotions. (41:16) It doesn’t mean don’t have emotions.(41:18) It doesn’t mean you should ignore them. That’s bad. But (41:23) yeah, like just being able to (41:27) react appropriately to a given situation, (41:30) because there’s always going to be something.(41:33) Attacking you, not and not necessarily like physically attacking you, (41:36) but something coming at you that you got to deal with. Right. (41:39) So being able to just take a breath, control yourself, (41:44) not have the worst reaction, not have your impulse.(41:48) Impulse control is maybe a good way to put it. (41:50) Does that make sense? (41:52) That’s a great one. (41:53) And to your point, actually, number three on mine was calmness.(41:57) So it aligns perfectly what you’re saying. (42:00) A certain sense of calm, like as a default setting, (42:04) like not the instant jump to something, you know, not the instant, (42:07) you know, just more of a take it in, count to five, something like that. (42:13) So along the lines, I thought of one was (42:17) kind of the self-ownership responsibility was accountability.(42:20) Own up to every decision you make and take. (42:22) Don’t shy away from ownership of your actions. (42:26) That’s a great one.Yeah. (42:28) Yeah, it’s really easy to kind of pass the buck and just shift blame (42:33) when something doesn’t go right. (42:35) And the people that really stand out to me that I’ve seen in my life (42:39) have always taken accountability that even if it’s not 100 percent their fault, (42:44) you know, they are the leader.(42:45) They take responsibility, say, hey, I’m going to fix this. (42:50) And so, yeah, it’s not just taking blame, but it’s also finding a solution. (42:54) Right.Yeah. Yeah. (42:56) I just I just come from a sales background.(42:58) I work in service and things. (42:59) And they and it’s funny because the thing is, never apologize. (43:04) You always hear it.(43:05) Never apologize because then they’ll get you for blame. (43:07) He’s like, no, no, no. (43:08) You don’t understand when I fuck up.(43:11) I say the first word is apologies. (43:15) This is exactly the situation and how it happened and where I messed up. (43:20) And not a single one has ever attacked me (43:23) for me telling them where I screwed up.(43:26) Not a single. Yeah. (43:29) Yeah, because because because humanity has a grace to it.(43:33) It’s like you just have to admit it just fess up like we’re so happy (43:38) to forgive people. (43:41) We really are. (43:41) We are so dynamically beautiful in that way.(43:44) But the problem is no one wants to admit it (43:47) because they don’t want to look weak or incompetent or something. (43:50) It’s like the whole point is that we are all fallible. (43:53) And the more we realize that, (43:55) the more grace we can have between each each other and with with each other.(44:00) Absolutely. Yeah. (44:02) We’re working with people like having employees (44:05) that really comes in handy because it’s like I really respect (44:09) the people that can come to me and say, oh, I made I made a mistake (44:13) or I could have done this better even like it kind of went OK.(44:16) But here’s what I could have done better. (44:18) And not only expressing that to me, but sharing it with our team (44:22) and be like, here’s how we can approach this better. (44:26) I’d never put anyone under the bus for making a mistake.(44:29) It’s especially if they come and own it like that. (44:32) It’s just, oh, yeah, I did this. (44:34) This could have been better.(44:35) Here’s what we can do next time. (44:37) Awesome. You get you get bonus points in my book for that.(44:43) And like to our point is like we’re doing this collaboration. (44:46) You and I are sitting here on a Monday night. (44:49) There’s 20 people watching.(44:50) They could have better things to do. (44:52) You and I could certainly have better things to do. (44:54) But you and I have gone back and forth and trying like we don’t talk that often.(44:57) We don’t get to talk much, but we communicate through electronic, (45:00) you know, electronic means like, OK, how are we setting up the show (45:03) or how are we doing this? (45:04) And sometimes we screw up, but it’s like we do our best to be like, no, (45:07) we we screw that up. (45:08) But when it’s good, we’re like extra helpful. (45:10) So it’s like part of that same thing where it’s like, you know, (45:13) praise in public, criticize in private or something like that.(45:18) Yeah, for sure. (45:19) And just to mention one, but yeah, purpose and not just any purpose, (45:24) but like a positive purpose, something constructive, (45:27) something that’s actually like adding to the world. (45:30) I think that’s very important.(45:32) And that could be something as simple as like I’m raising a family. (45:36) I’m raising good kids to grow up and do positive things in life, too. (45:40) So it doesn’t have to be like, oh, I’m changing the world.(45:43) I’m sending rockets to Mars or anything like that. (45:45) It can be very simple, very localized to your own life, your own family. (45:50) But just having that, I think, is necessary.(45:56) I think that’s huge. (45:57) Yeah, I think purpose is what ultimately drives humanity as a whole. (46:04) Whether it’s even a feminine, the feminine nature, too, because like purpose (46:07) for being a mother, you know, the nurturing aspect, obviously, (46:10) that’s a feminine trait.(46:12) Yeah, you know. (46:13) Yeah. And this is, I think, why why Jordan Peterson resonated with so many people (46:17) was he told people that they need that and they’re like, oh, yeah.(46:22) I think that modern life has been so like divorced from purpose. (46:27) It’s just like you live, you eat, you have fun. (46:30) And that’s it.That’s what you need for a good life. (46:32) But that’s really not it. (46:34) And so when people hear Jordan Peterson talk about that kind of stuff (46:37) that really got in, especially young men’s heads like, oh, yeah.(46:43) Oh, OK. I don’t have to be depressed because there is more to life. (46:47) You know, there is something I can put my attention to, my focus toward.(46:51) One hundred percent. (46:53) And purpose does play such a big role in so many ways (46:57) because it doesn’t have to be the same, right, to your point, (47:01) like it could be a child for somebody, it could be a business for someone else. (47:05) But but we can say that (47:08) as we’ve handed off, once again, we’re just messengers, right? (47:13) Let’s bring this back to a libertarian perspective (47:15) as we’ve handed off more babysitting duties and more jobs off (47:19) that we don’t want to take personal accountability, responsibility (47:24) or self-ownership of the three things we’re talking are masculine, right? (47:29) Yeah, we’ve taken it off our plates.(47:31) So now we don’t feel that we have any of that (47:34) because there’s none of it needed in our life or it’s atrophied almost. (47:40) Exactly. Exactly.(47:41) So speaking of Jordan Peterson, we got a clip here. (47:45) I think I got a little bit ahead of myself (47:47) talking about the counter between masculine and feminine. (47:50) But he he’s good on this stuff.(47:52) So we got a clip of him. (47:55) The difference between men and women. (47:57) I think this is a good start for us.(48:00) And before we let’s let’s put a couple of Justin’s up here, (48:03) I’m going to pull that up. (48:04) You mind reading that off for us? (48:05) Blockbuster said it best to fail as human to rewind. (48:08) It’s divine.That’s funny. (48:11) Jordan Peterson came about at just the right time as masculine counter (48:15) to Andrew Tate. Yeah.(48:17) I don’t remember who came first. (48:19) Was it Tate or Peterson? But. (48:22) They’re interesting, came up slightly different through maps (48:25) of meaning in his anti racism.(48:27) He came up slightly different. (48:29) So the masculine stuff was it was a line, but it’s like that wasn’t Peterson’s thing (48:35) because like the rules in order. (48:36) What is it? Twelve rules, right? (48:39) It was after maps of meaning.(48:40) So I know that maps of meaning was his first thing. (48:42) And he taught one’s purpose, meaning, right? (48:44) All the same stuff. (48:45) Yeah.Well, he really got famous talking about the trans stuff, the pronouns. (48:50) Like, yes, you’re not going to tell me what to say. (48:53) You can’t tell me about pronouns.(48:56) Oh, no, there’s a C12. (48:59) Well, by God, gosh, I can’t even do it now. (49:01) It’s like, oh, buckle.(49:03) There’s a C12 rule in Canada and they want us to know (49:07) they’re going to force us to call you by what you need to be called. (49:11) And I will not comply. (49:13) I will not do it.(49:15) I’m just doing Kermit the frog. (49:18) Kermit the frog. I can do Kermit much better.(49:21) Anyway, it’s it’s easier just to do Kermit. (49:23) I’m still working on it. I’ll get it.I’ll get it. (49:27) You’ll get it anyway. (49:28) All right.Here we go. (49:30) In your room, men are more interested in things and women are more interested (49:34) in people, and that’s actually the biggest difference (49:36) we know of psychologically between men and women. (49:39) And and even though men and women are quite similar, (49:43) all things considered, the extremes make a difference.(49:45) So you imagine that in order to become an engineer, (49:48) you have to be extraordinarily interested in things rather than people. (49:53) Well, most of those people are men. (49:55) And if you want to become a nurse, well, then you have to be much more (49:58) interested in people than you are in things.(50:00) And most of those people are women who cannot minimize that by social engineering. (50:08) Yeah, man. So do you agree with that? (50:10) I mean, do you think men are more interested in things versus, (50:13) you know, women being more interested in people? (50:16) I absolutely can.(50:17) I can I I’ve been a Jordan Petersonite for a long time. (50:21) The data back it up. (50:22) The more egalitarian what that means is the more free society is to choose, (50:28) the more men and women actually choose like gender.(50:34) Gender leaning kind of outcomes as a rule, not as you know, (50:40) not a specific one here, it’s not like you’re going to slap a pencil (50:42) out of a girl’s hand for one to do a math problem, OK? (50:46) But women in like nurses, doctors look at the the lifting in that (50:51) because they work with people and you look at engineers and, (50:55) you know, like yourself and people who work on mechanics. (50:58) They work with things, masonry, brick building. (51:00) Those are all things.(51:02) Have you I OK, I work in a you work in chip manufacturing. (51:06) You probably have a service division. (51:07) I work in tech like IT management copiers.(51:11) We have technicians. (51:13) They are all awesome people, but they are different. (51:18) They’re different.(51:19) They they aren’t as verbose as us, but they’re more intelligent (51:23) in this other way, right? (51:25) Like you’re talking to one of them. (51:27) What’s that? (51:28) You’re talking to one of those guys. (51:30) All right.Exactly. Exactly. (51:31) I mean, you’re kind of like, but you’re doing this, too.(51:33) You put yourself out there. (51:34) So, you know, you’re a little bit more right. (51:36) But you’re at least a little bit more of that.Right. (51:38) But to your point, that’s exactly the type of person. (51:41) And what’s interesting is I have a little bit of that, (51:43) but a lot more of the verbose stuff.(51:44) So it’s like I was like there always is good transitional bridge (51:47) between the people who just did the sales stuff (51:49) and the people who are like the tech people, you know. (51:52) I’m the go between. (51:53) I get the specs from the from the customer and I give them to the engineer.(51:58) I have people skills, damn it. (52:00) What is wrong with you people? (52:02) I got to jump to conclusions back. (52:08) Anyway, yeah, man.(52:11) So I think you’re right, though, like and there’s a reason (52:14) like going back through time, masculinity has had to mean (52:17) kind of that, you know, the physical strength, which means they had to be (52:20) protectors and they got more focused on things that would help them do that. (52:24) The tools which sparked engineering and then strategy and all that stuff. (52:30) So and of course, that’s not to say that women can’t do those things, (52:33) just that it kind of evolved that way because of the strength.(52:37) They had to be that person. Right. (52:40) One hundred percent.(52:42) And once again, this isn’t a criticism of either side. (52:47) No, it’s a natural, general. (52:50) And it makes sense.(52:52) I mean, you’re talking about (52:55) the the sex that has to hold another human in them for nine months. (53:01) I would hope that they were the more nurturing of the two sexes. (53:05) I would just it’s it just makes sense.(53:08) And you’d want the other half of that to be bullish and to get in the way (53:12) of the other people trying to hurt the two things that you’re protecting. (53:15) Like that is just one of them, you know, because protection came up for me as one. (53:20) To be honest, like is it protection? (53:24) Is that exactly what? (53:25) Yeah, protection.(53:25) Protect the people you love, your property, the people in your community (53:28) jump in front of the lion. Right. Like.(53:33) It’s so important. (53:36) Yeah, we face, you know, different realities because of that biology, (53:40) because women are carrying children, that’s a huge investment, (53:44) like just physically alone, you know, not to mention the time that they spend (53:49) caring for a child, raising it because children are basically helpless (53:52) for the first, I don’t know, at least 10 years of their life. (53:56) Right.You got to you got to take care of them. (53:58) So because they have to do that, then they have to be more selective about the men. (54:02) So they need a man that can do those things, someone who can protect them.(54:07) You know, someone who will be physically strong enough. (54:11) You don’t have to be this big bodybuilder guy. Right.(54:14) Like even when I was pretty ripped back in the day, like I don’t (54:17) never like felt super masculine because of it. (54:20) It was just like, OK, I’m strong, but what can I do with it? (54:23) Probably not that much. (54:25) But anyway, like so that’s true.(54:29) That is I’m sorry. (54:30) I only posted this because it’s true. (54:31) This is not glib.I’m not making fun of it. (54:33) Some men destined whatever you want to call it. (54:36) Like some people are born.(54:37) People are born with preferences. (54:39) It’s OK. Maybe.(54:41) I mean, maybe that’s more common nowadays because of the world we live in. (54:45) Like things have changed. (54:46) We’re not in this like hunter gatherer type situation anymore.(54:49) We’re not, you know, fighting for survival every day. (54:53) We’re just kind of chilling. (54:55) So I think the line between masculine and feminine is has shrunk considerably.(55:00) And maybe that’s part of why you see more homosexuality. (55:04) Have you heard a little bit about this? (55:06) And I don’t want to jump too far out of it because it’s like biological, (55:09) but allegedly the stress from World War two, (55:12) the percentage of homosexual children in Germany. (55:16) Is like double what the the you know, the off the standard deviations, (55:20) like one or two deviations off, and it’s like there was a spike (55:24) and they attribute something about the barbaric nature (55:27) with some kind of stress hormone that that affected some DNA (55:31) or something in the you know, in the birth.(55:34) And like you could totally factor. (55:37) You could totally see that happening. (55:39) I mean, yeah, biology is so freaking ridiculously adaptive.(55:44) Like it’s it might take some time, but like I could see those types (55:47) of events happening, you know, and and the truth is, yeah, culturally like. (55:51) But to be honest, when a woman who’s adopted five different children (55:56) from four different countries and they’re all shades of everything (56:00) and all different and they all turn out trans. (56:03) I mean, they just happen to be all trans.(56:05) What? She smell it off and she adopted them. (56:07) Are you kidding me? (56:09) For example, in that way, it’s like you got some crazy people (56:13) with these notions that they can just do like they turn their children (56:16) into like their playthings, you know, their objects or their dolls. (56:19) And that’s all.Yeah, you know. (56:22) Yeah, that’s a whole other thing. (56:23) You should not mess with all of this.(56:25) Not all. Yeah, but yeah. (56:32) I’m just I’m just not going to.(56:34) I’m not I’m not doing it. (56:35) I’m not doing it, man. (56:36) Yeah, we’ll skip that one.(56:38) Anyway, Brett, Brett Weinstein, I think everybody knows who he is. (56:43) Evolutionary biologist. (56:44) He talks about this stuff a lot and he points out that the differences (56:47) that have shaped this difference, you know, difference between masculine (56:51) and feminine (56:52) lead to like a greater variability in traits like intelligence (56:56) or physical strength.(56:59) So that means not that men are necessarily smarter (57:02) on average, but just that there are more likely to be men on the extreme ends. (57:08) So on the dumb end to and the smart end and on the super strong (57:11) end and the weekend, because we all not the weekend, but the weaker side. (57:18) My understanding, I think it’s something like 60 percent women in the middle (57:22) and 20 on the extremes, but for men, it’s like 40 percent in the middle (57:27) and like 30 percent on the extremes of some flatter curve.(57:30) Right. And it goes longer. (57:32) Yeah.Flatten the curve. (57:34) 15 days. What was it? (57:36) 15 days.Two weeks, two weeks to flatten the curve week. (57:41) Yeah, it’s a fun welcome, everyone. (57:43) Once again, we’ve got another if by whiskey.(57:44) Today we’re talking masculinity. (57:47) We’ve got 25 people on. (57:49) So thank you very much for joining us tonight on a Monday evening.(57:52) We’ve got the chat open and no, Ron Paul was right. (57:57) Zach, Ron Paul was right. (57:59) Let me let me put this one up.(58:01) What do you want to talk about that with Justin? (58:03) So now and come up, Justin says, it’s interesting how there was no such thing (58:07) as toxic masculinity when things like physical strength (58:10) played a bigger role in survival or earning a living. (58:13) That is interesting. (58:14) And that’s kind of what we’re talking about, right? (58:16) That’s the change of how people live today (58:21) definitely plays a role in what we see as masculine (58:24) or what’s traditionally masculine.(58:26) And does that fit? (58:28) In our society anymore. (58:30) Yeah, and I’m going to attribute it to technology is a huge one. (58:35) OK, when you have a cell phone (58:38) and you can call your best friend to come over real quick (58:41) if there there’s emergency (58:43) or if you have pepper spray or a whistle or a gun.(58:49) Like, remember, the man jumped in front of a lion with a stick. (58:55) The gun made the stick kind of unnecessary if a woman can pull a trigger. (58:59) It kind of it didn’t like to your point, the strength wasn’t required.(59:04) Right. The same way. (59:06) So in a lot of ways, that ability, the birth control (59:09) was another thing that empowered women and changed (59:13) a lot of this type of of cultural piece as well.(59:20) Absolutely. (59:20) And the roles now have definitely been blurred in modern times. (59:24) And I think recently there’s a trend of saying that masculinity is toxic, (59:28) probably because that traditional strength, the aggression (59:32) doesn’t quite have the same utility that it used to.(59:37) Right. And we have become, once again, (59:39) a little more accepting society, a little more, a lot more. (59:41) I mean, times have been easier.(59:43) That whole cycle of, you know, hard times make tough men, tough men (59:46) make easy times, easy times make the weak man. (59:49) We’re we’re kind of that. (59:50) We had those a generation of people are much different, (59:55) I would argue, than the most of the humans I’ve met.(59:58) And they can’t make eye contact. (1:00:01) They can’t like it’s very odd. (1:00:03) It’s really weird.(1:00:05) But that stuff got lost somewhere for like a generation. (1:00:09) And I hope we can reel that back. (1:00:14) Yeah, Zach has a good comment, actually.(1:00:17) Why is our society stuck in the fallacy that traditionalism (1:00:21) was this happy go lucky, leave it to Beaver 1950s style sitcom perfection? (1:00:26) Yeah, it definitely wasn’t. (1:00:27) That was that was more of the time when we got away from (1:00:32) what we’re talking about as traditional masculinity. (1:00:34) They’re talking about it as like the dad goes to work (1:00:37) and provides for the family and comes home and drinks a bottle of whiskey.(1:00:41) And who knows what happens after that? (1:00:44) But like the madmen type of thing where they’re, you know, (1:00:47) grabbing the ass of the secretary and, you know, all the. (1:00:52) The bad things that that people rightly call toxic, (1:00:56) I think that’s where that’s where masculinity goes wrong. (1:01:01) Well, something just popped in my head.(1:01:02) I’m thinking about an office space. (1:01:04) OK, I’m thinking about an office like in Madmen. (1:01:07) It’s all strangers coming together.(1:01:09) Of course, they’re going to fucking play grab ass. (1:01:11) They’re all type a person now is whatever you get on a farm. (1:01:15) First of all, you generally don’t have people that work for.(1:01:17) It’s usually your family that works for you. (1:01:19) It’s however many kids you can make is is your hand, right? (1:01:22) Is you’re like all your hands, right? (1:01:24) But if you did hire some, you’re not playing grab ass there. (1:01:26) You’re too fucking busy working.(1:01:28) You know what I mean? (1:01:29) Like, like all these downtimes of all these weird businesses that we, (1:01:34) you know, these urban things that we did, that we did, whatever it is. (1:01:38) That’s not a problem. (1:01:39) Those jobs are fake, right? (1:01:41) It’s not a complaint.(1:01:41) It’s just like these are results of the direction that we went, right? (1:01:45) Like this is just a you push this. (1:01:47) That’s going to move that way, right? (1:01:49) These are just acknowledgments of things. (1:01:52) Yeah, exactly.(1:01:53) Yeah, like I said, most office jobs, you have so much downtime. (1:01:57) They’re mostly fake, even mine. (1:01:59) I say that as one of those people.(1:02:01) I’m like, there’s so much I could be doing. (1:02:04) And I’m just I’m just there to kind of keep things flowing. (1:02:10) It’s kind of a waste.(1:02:13) But anyways, before we get too much into the toxic side, though, (1:02:17) we talked about already the traits we thought were positive that made it a good. (1:02:22) At least a good start for masculinity, right? (1:02:26) I do have one clip from Robert Greene. (1:02:28) He wrote the 48 laws of power, the laws of human nature, some other books, (1:02:33) I think, but here he was on modern wisdom talking about self-control.(1:02:39) That’s the one I mentioned. (1:02:42) But he’s got some good comments about it. (1:02:44) Yeah, and I will say I like Robert Greene, 40 laws, and he also did 50 cent, (1:02:50) the 50th law or something, I think on 50 cent.(1:02:53) And he said that dude lives that life, it’s did you watch (1:02:56) the Chris Williamson entire podcast with him? No. (1:03:00) OK, if you get it, it is an interesting guy to watch. (1:03:03) He’s really interesting.(1:03:03) He was on there a couple of times. (1:03:04) So, all right, I’ll hit this one for you. (1:03:08) And it’s a cultural problem because men are very confused.(1:03:11) I didn’t have that confusion when I was growing up. (1:03:15) You know, so now it’s very difficult because you’re being told (1:03:18) that all these things that you feel naturally are negative. (1:03:22) They’re only negative if you can’t control them.(1:03:25) So self-control is a very masculine quality. (1:03:30) You’re able to control yourself. (1:03:31) You’re able to control your passions.(1:03:32) You’re able to not talk too much if you don’t need to talk too much. (1:03:36) I’m not saying that women don’t have the opposite is wrong. (1:03:40) These are things that men naturally have because of their biology.(1:03:43) And I’m sorry, I do believe in these things, but they’re good. (1:03:47) They’re just how you use them. (1:03:48) That can be bad.(1:03:49) And so I just wish there were more positive role models out there. (1:03:58) Yeah, that’s kind of maybe a little could have been in a better spot, better order. (1:04:03) But anyways, yeah, that’s a big thing that.(1:04:07) People, men especially, are being told that how they are naturally is bad (1:04:13) and that that is a negative, that’s something that I would like to put a stop to. (1:04:18) Right, because that’s like saying women are too emotional. (1:04:23) I mean, it’s the counter to that.(1:04:25) In a weird way. (1:04:26) We talked about anti-racism, anti-anti-Semitism. (1:04:31) Now it’s anti-feminist.(1:04:33) It’s like, all right. (1:04:34) It’s now is another answer. (1:04:35) Yes.Shit used to be different, everybody. (1:04:39) And we’ve softened over time. (1:04:40) You just got to give us fucking time.(1:04:42) We’re monkey. (1:04:43) We’re monkey shit in our hands and throwing at the wall to see what sticks. (1:04:47) Give us time to adapt to these things, man.(1:04:49) Like all these ideological things. (1:04:51) We’ll get there. (1:04:52) We’ll figure it out.(1:04:53) And the natural progression is so much better than pushing on the pendulum. (1:04:58) You know, it’s crazy. (1:05:01) Yeah, one of the things they like to talk about is mansplaining.(1:05:04) I think, you know, this this phrase everybody probably knows. (1:05:08) Explain that to me. (1:05:08) Well, what is maybe.(1:05:10) Well, as a man, let me tell you what this is. (1:05:13) No, it’s it’s really being condescending, right? (1:05:17) That’s what it is. (1:05:17) And men can do it.(1:05:19) Women can do it. (1:05:19) And so I really hate that phrase mansplaining, (1:05:22) because it’s not just men that do it. (1:05:25) You know, there are men who are condescending, who do that, (1:05:28) try to explain things to you that you already know.(1:05:31) But maybe you’re also not doing a good job (1:05:33) demonstrating that you already know it if they feel like (1:05:36) they have to explain it to you, you know? (1:05:39) Yeah, totally. (1:05:40) And that’s funny, there’s I think her last name’s Summer, (1:05:43) but she’s a feminist and she’s of like Camille Paglia. (1:05:47) I think like in her foot.(1:05:48) Really awesome. (1:05:49) I’ve seen her podcast like way back in the day. (1:05:51) I think she might have been on Rogan way back, like a long time ago.(1:05:53) But she had a podcast called Femmesplaining. (1:05:56) And it’s kind of like she’s laughing at it, too. (1:05:59) It’s like, look, there’s like there’s some logic doesn’t have a side (1:06:03) or a gender or an idea like this is logic, people.(1:06:07) This just makes sense. (1:06:09) It has nothing to do with like, you know, like what you feel like or whatever. (1:06:13) It’s this is just logic.(1:06:15) And this it’s shown throughout history biologically. (1:06:18) And yes, you can be a variant of that. (1:06:21) That’s what variance means.(1:06:23) You’re not forced to be this. (1:06:25) You might just have a propensity to be a certain thing or a certain way. (1:06:29) That’s all.Yeah. (1:06:31) Some people just they’re that know it all type that feels like (1:06:34) I want to explain this to everybody and you don’t need it. (1:06:38) But OK, that’s just their personality.(1:06:42) They can change. (1:06:43) They can also you can just say, hey, I didn’t like that. (1:06:45) You don’t have to start a whole fifth wave feminist movement about it.(1:06:52) Exactly. Yeah, good point. (1:06:54) Yeah.I love this country. (1:06:56) That’s kind of what we agree. (1:06:57) Talk about self-control.Right. (1:06:59) So that’s part of it. (1:07:00) Controlling yourself like, oh, I have a tendency to overexplain and be condescending.(1:07:05) OK, let me look at myself and see what I can do to fix that. (1:07:08) Could be, you know, aggression. (1:07:10) Aggression is good in the right situation at the right level.(1:07:14) But you can definitely overdo it. (1:07:17) So if you tend to do that, you can look at yourself, reflect. (1:07:21) Hey, what triggers me to do that? (1:07:23) How do I stop it? (1:07:24) How do I control myself? (1:07:26) How do I discipline myself enough that I can be in control? (1:07:32) Right.Yeah, and I love it. (1:07:34) And you said aggressiveness. (1:07:35) And if I may, I’ll jump in.(1:07:37) We talk about trades. (1:07:38) You asked us to list a couple. (1:07:39) I actually I was looking at aggressiveness and I shifted a little bit.(1:07:43) I called it assertiveness. (1:07:45) Assertiveness. Yeah.(1:07:46) I call it the ability to act once a decision’s been finalized. (1:07:51) And I think the wishy washy, right, it’s kind of like you. (1:07:56) I step on the gas more than the brake when I when there’s a car issue.(1:08:01) Because there’s something about being able to maneuver out of the way (1:08:05) or something versus getting stuck in something, if that makes sense for me. (1:08:08) I always felt that was more of a control way. (1:08:12) In some way, not not every.(1:08:13) Yeah, it’s kind of like the ability to get things done. (1:08:17) Right. Like not just waiting for it to happen.(1:08:20) Getting like being assertive, being having a little bit of aggression (1:08:24) in making things happen with your purpose in mind. (1:08:27) It’s like, hey, we got to go this way now. (1:08:30) Like there is no time.(1:08:32) No, we got to go this way now. (1:08:34) That is we decided we’re going. (1:08:36) I don’t care if it’s the wrong decision, (1:08:38) but staying here is definitely not the right decision, you know, kind of thing.(1:08:41) It’s like those kinds of things, you know. (1:08:43) And it is a borderline with aggression (1:08:46) because it’s sometimes met with resistance. (1:08:48) But you have you know what I mean? (1:08:50) So you kind of use a little force and sometimes in some cases.(1:08:55) Yeah. Yeah. (1:08:58) Well, we talked about Jordan Peterson a little bit already, but we got another.(1:09:02) He’s talking about we didn’t talk about Jordan Peterson. (1:09:05) He’s still here and he’s still up in Squattsdale. (1:09:10) Oh, geez.(1:09:12) You got to clean your room, take responsibility, (1:09:16) face your suffering head on, fight the dragon that’s stolen your father. (1:09:23) There’s a difference. (1:09:24) There’s also a reward.(1:09:26) There’s treasure, but there’s also a reward on the end of that. (1:09:29) There are rainbows on the buckle. (1:09:31) There’s the all right.(1:09:32) I’m trying to pause this thing, but it’s not liking me. (1:09:35) Difference. (1:09:36) Ah, all right.(1:09:39) All right. (1:09:39) So is this the right one? (1:09:42) Maybe it’s seven. (1:09:44) Yeah, no, I think this is right.(1:09:45) This is right. (1:09:46) So we’re talking about like his take on masculinity because we talked about him, (1:09:49) kind of the contrast between between him and Andrew Tate. (1:09:53) Tate is somebody that people might look at as more of a toxic masculinity type.(1:09:58) Peterson is the opposite, although it’s very interesting (1:10:02) because they talk about a lot of the same things there. (1:10:05) There’s a lot of overlap there. (1:10:07) Would you agree? (1:10:09) One hundred percent, and and I know we’re getting into Tate, too, (1:10:14) but masculinity has many faces to it, (1:10:17) just like femininity has many faces to it.(1:10:22) There women are so capable. (1:10:25) How many fucking wars have been started over a woman? (1:10:29) Exactly. How many over a man? (1:10:32) Right, exactly.(1:10:34) Like it’s not you know what I’m saying? (1:10:35) Like Helena Troy had to have been something, you know what I mean? (1:10:40) Like Cleopatra had to have been there, had to have been something about like (1:10:44) that ability, and it’s not bad. (1:10:46) It’s just used the way, you know, it can be used poorly. (1:10:50) Right.But it’s like a beautiful thing. (1:10:51) That ability to entice people or whatever. (1:10:54) Right.Of course. For example. (1:10:55) Yeah.All right. (1:10:57) Let me hit this guy. (1:10:59) All right.(1:11:00) Between letting people. (1:11:01) There’s a big difference between letting people do something for themselves (1:11:06) and saying men should be dangerous, (1:11:09) by dangerous, that implies I should be ready to threaten someone to hurt somebody. (1:11:14) No, you should be capable of it.(1:11:16) But that doesn’t mean you should use it. (1:11:18) There’s nothing to you otherwise. (1:11:20) Like if you’re not a formidable force, there’s not there’s no morality (1:11:22) in your self-control.(1:11:24) If you’re incapable of violence, not being violent isn’t a virtue. (1:11:28) People who teach martial arts know this full well. (1:11:30) If you learn a martial art, you learn to be dangerous, (1:11:32) but simultaneously you learn to control it.(1:11:34) Both of those come together. (1:11:36) And the combination of that capacity for danger (1:11:39) and the capacity for control is what brings about the virtue. (1:11:42) Otherwise, you confuse weakness with moral virtue.(1:11:45) I’m harmless. Therefore, I’m good. (1:11:47) It’s like, no, that isn’t how it works.(1:11:49) That isn’t how it works at all. (1:11:51) If you’re harmless, you’re just weak. (1:11:52) And if you’re weak, you’re not going to be good.(1:11:54) You can’t be because it takes strength to be good. (1:11:58) It’s very difficult to be good. (1:12:02) That’s a great point.(1:12:04) And that video is off for some reason, so I don’t know what. (1:12:06) Yeah, I don’t know, but I think the point stands. (1:12:10) You’ve got to be dangerous, right? (1:12:12) This I heard from him years ago and it stuck with me.(1:12:16) And I think I was the guy who was weak, you know, (1:12:20) I might have been like kind of physically strong (1:12:22) because I was an athlete and stuff, but I was like (1:12:26) not emotionally, but rhetorically, like I avoided conflict. (1:12:31) I avoided arguments and stuff because I just wasn’t good at it. (1:12:35) You know, it’s not that I was like a peaceful person.(1:12:38) It’s that I just couldn’t argue with people (1:12:41) because I hadn’t taken the time to explore the right ideas. (1:12:45) I hadn’t taken the time to like. (1:12:47) You know, build the mental attitude that I needed (1:12:50) to be able to fight these battles, the things that I’m trying to do now.(1:12:54) Not saying I’m that great at it yet, but I’m working on it. (1:12:57) That’s part of the reason why I’m doing this, because I want to be able (1:13:00) to have those conversations, be able to be persuasive. (1:13:04) And that, I think, is a lot more useful (1:13:08) than physical strength in a lot of cases in modern times.(1:13:13) And it also is a purpose for you to like it kind of checks a couple of boxes. (1:13:20) Yeah, the dangerous point. (1:13:22) This is this was my thing.(1:13:23) I’m like with I use the military as a great example. (1:13:26) We should have the broadest sword, but it should be sheathed at all times. (1:13:30) Simple is that we should be at the ready.(1:13:33) Shouldn’t use it ever. (1:13:35) Shouldn’t ever have to need to use it. (1:13:38) But dammit, if we’re not the strongest, because with if you can impose (1:13:43) and you don’t, that is where that is where you gain respect.(1:13:49) Like and we use let’s use Scott. (1:13:51) Let’s use Scott Horton and provoke. (1:13:53) Let’s use Ukraine and Russia as a great example.(1:13:55) Let’s use after World War one Treaty of Versailles. (1:13:58) Same thing. (1:13:59) Churchill, Europe stomped on Germany’s throat with the upper hand.(1:14:04) They just did not let them go. (1:14:06) And if they had some grace. (1:14:09) We don’t know how strong that nationalism backlash would have been, (1:14:13) but it may not have been what it was.(1:14:16) Pretty sure it may not have been what it was. (1:14:18) That same thing when we go into this thing with Russia and Ukraine (1:14:22) after the unipolar moment, we had every opportunity to help (1:14:27) to bring the second largest country in the world (1:14:32) into the fold of Western democracy in its own way. (1:14:37) And no, we just wanted the enemy was let’s just keep encroaching.(1:14:41) We need NATO to get bigger. (1:14:43) Our greed, you know, our greed takes over. (1:14:46) And and it’s crazy that that we, you know, (1:14:49) our other traits take over for the other traits.(1:14:53) That really yeah, that really brings to mind a good one, I think. (1:14:58) That masculinity or even just being a good person, (1:15:01) it doesn’t have to be manly, but is part of that is just bringing up (1:15:05) people around you, not being the strong man, the bully that, (1:15:09) you know, pushes their weight around the world in that case. (1:15:12) Like the United States does, it’s helping others to get better.(1:15:16) And that’s not what the United States has done. (1:15:18) And that’s been (1:15:21) it’s been good for some people, right? (1:15:23) It’s made a lot of people very rich and not the right people, though. (1:15:27) It’s it’s been very bad for both of us.(1:15:29) Yeah, right. It’s profitable, but not prosperous, right? (1:15:32) That’s kind of how we look at it. (1:15:34) Yeah.And to your point is like, look at look at all this stuff (1:15:38) we do about like, look at Zach and Justin are on right now, (1:15:40) like boosting us up, commenting, engaging. (1:15:43) They they’ve been on almost every podcast we’ve been on. (1:15:46) Why? Because they know us.(1:15:48) Because they’re cool. (1:15:49) And if I can jump on Zach’s, I try to jump on somebody’s. (1:15:53) But like, I make sure to watch yours or, you know, promote yours.(1:15:56) Or however, engage as much as we can, because like we’re understanding (1:16:00) that that’s our community that we have to build up in that way. (1:16:03) And that’s the best way we can do it. (1:16:06) Yeah, absolutely.(1:16:08) And peace through strength is what Justin says. (1:16:11) I think it’s a good comment. (1:16:13) Like people say an armed society is a polite society.(1:16:17) So it’s not that people are just being nice because they’re weak. (1:16:20) You know, like at any moment, somebody could pull out the gun and shoot you. (1:16:24) Right.And so that, you know, that’s kind of an incentive. (1:16:27) Maybe that’s I don’t know if that lines up exactly what we’re trying to say, (1:16:31) but being dangerous definitely has (1:16:35) some some good features to it. (1:16:38) Yeah, and I’ll add to that.(1:16:40) And I put this up here as yes, peace through things, but very careful (1:16:44) because like the Yemen peace through strength is not the what peace (1:16:47) through strength we’re talking about. (1:16:49) Like, yeah, we don’t need to show our strength to do it. (1:16:53) We need to just be peaceful while we are strong.(1:16:56) And I think it’s a slightly different angle than peace through strength. (1:17:00) It’s peace while strong. (1:17:03) Something like that might be more of an accurate (1:17:06) or better way to view it.(1:17:08) Here’s an analogy. (1:17:09) I don’t need to go on Facebook and start spamming everybody’s timeline (1:17:13) with my ideas or my ideology, right? (1:17:16) But if somebody comes out and says something stupid, (1:17:20) I’m going to jump all over it because I just I can’t tolerate that. (1:17:24) So I’m strong in my ideology.(1:17:26) I’m strong in what I know, but I’m not just going out there (1:17:29) like beating people over the head with it. (1:17:31) You know, if you want to come, I do hear about it. (1:17:33) I’m here.But yeah, (1:17:35) what is that I do? (1:17:37) And I go on X and I’ll just go on like (1:17:40) what the sum of memes like the D the D, whatever of memes. (1:17:44) And I’ll just like boom, boom, boom, boom, like the first 20. (1:17:48) I’ll throw on Facebook and just watch the bombs just go off like crazy.(1:17:54) It’s it’s fun. I’m not going to lie. (1:17:56) Yeah, it can be fun.(1:18:00) We got to say give it up to Zach for a little John Cena (1:18:03) trying to go for number 17 at WrestleMania. (1:18:07) But Zach says I should go out beating people over the head with stuff. (1:18:11) Maybe, maybe.(1:18:12) Well, you can only hit somebody so hard with the carrot, right? (1:18:14) That’s what Sam Harris said. (1:18:16) Speaking of which, Sam Harris, what I’m not. (1:18:19) No, I’m not.I’m not deviating. Let’s continue. (1:18:21) Yeah, maybe we’ll do that next time.(1:18:24) We’ll do another one. We’ll do another recap. (1:18:26) Harris dudes lost his fucking mind.(1:18:28) Lost it completely. Yeah. (1:18:31) Yeah.Well, on this theme, we got another clip from Joe Rogan this time. (1:18:35) He’s kind of piggybacking off what Peterson says, but it’s also a good one. (1:18:40) All righty, Joe Rogan, and this will transition us (1:18:44) into the toxic masculinity.(1:18:48) All right, there we are. (1:18:50) Had to find it. (1:18:53) You can’t be weak.(1:18:54) And in this country, being weak is thought of as a virtue. (1:18:58) Jordan Peterson has a really interesting way of looking at this. (1:19:01) And he said it to me once, and it made a lot of sense.(1:19:04) He said people think that you should be weak and you should be docile (1:19:09) and then you should be a pacifist. (1:19:11) He goes, no, you should be a monster. (1:19:14) He said you should be ruthlessly ambitious and then learn how to control it.(1:19:19) And it’s that old expression. (1:19:20) It’s better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. (1:19:26) Wow.Oh, love that. (1:19:31) You got to be ready. (1:19:32) That’s part of the masculinity, man.(1:19:34) You got to you can’t be weak. (1:19:36) You got to you got to be strong at something. (1:19:38) There’s all kinds of different ways that you can be strong today.(1:19:41) But if you’re just sitting around doing nothing, that’s not it. (1:19:46) I certainly can attest to that because I’m nothing and I don’t do anything. (1:19:52) So I’ve done that.(1:19:54) Yeah, 100 percent. (1:19:55) Like it’s the gardener, the gardener in a war. (1:19:58) Come on.Better be a warrior in a garden. (1:20:00) That is such a great just a I know it’s so simple and reductionist, (1:20:05) but it’s so true. (1:20:08) You want to restrain yourself from just need to do.(1:20:11) And and look, I’m I’m going to flex one second because we were (1:20:15) we were going to talk possibly MMA, but you didn’t know this gentleman. (1:20:17) But I’m going to flex that (1:20:19) last year after Freedom Fest, I met someone through Freedom Fest (1:20:22) that I met in Phoenix the week after. (1:20:25) And Pat Miletic, MMA, great Pat Miletic, (1:20:29) superstar wrestle middleweight or welterweight champion at Miletic.(1:20:34) I think UFC early as UFC 12 Pat Miletic comes to my house for sous vide steaks. (1:20:40) And I spent $400 on non-antibiotic steaks because I knew it was coming. (1:20:45) And only four people showed up.(1:20:46) But it was awesome. It was a great time. (1:20:48) He was so cool.(1:20:48) But like the dude can snap my fucking neck. (1:20:54) And he was the calmest guy in the entire play of all the guys. (1:20:57) There were five, six people there.(1:20:59) He was the calmest, most chilled those guys. (1:21:02) Because it’s like it’s that whole the gangster thing. (1:21:06) No, they can’t.(1:21:08) Don’t talk shit because they wrote gangsters don’t need to write like (1:21:11) they don’t flex them because they know they got them. (1:21:14) And there’s a masculinity in that, you know? (1:21:16) Yes. Yeah.(1:21:17) Being strong gives you that ability to just (1:21:20) be the calmest person in the room, because, you know, if something goes down, (1:21:24) you got it under control. (1:21:25) You can handle it where you do have to eat. (1:21:31) That’s funny.(1:21:32) And hopefully not vegetables. (1:21:34) Better to be the warrior in the garden. (1:21:39) One hundred percent.(1:21:41) So we got to talk about toxic masculinity, right? (1:21:44) This this came from, I guess, this movement back in the 90s. (1:21:49) I think that’s where it started, maybe 80s. (1:21:53) But this toxic masculinity phrase was used to describe (1:21:57) an exaggerated, harmful masculine behavior like aggression, (1:22:01) emotional repression and domination that this scientist guy, (1:22:06) Shepard Bliss, he believed that that stemmed from patriarchal socialization, (1:22:12) not masculinity itself.(1:22:13) So something that’s socially influenced. (1:22:16) What do you think about that? (1:22:19) Well, I think about the prior to the toxic masculinity (1:22:22) considering I went to college between 92 and 97. (1:22:25) Don’t say a word.(1:22:27) You son of a bitch. (1:22:27) You were five freaking years old. (1:22:30) Oh.It was like the frat boy thing. (1:22:35) That’s what toxic masculinity was like. (1:22:37) That was what the frat boy jock boy was on campus, right? (1:22:40) Drug like drug up or drunk, get a girl drunk and like mess with her.(1:22:44) Like I’m just saying that was a big thing. (1:22:47) Look at meatballs and porkies in the 70s and all those movies. (1:22:50) Revenge of the nerds had rape in it.(1:22:53) Revenge of the nerds. (1:22:54) Literally, the dude raped a woman because it was she did not have conformed (1:22:58) informed consent that it was that dude that was throwing it in her. (1:23:02) Like legit like this is real stuff back then.(1:23:05) And I don’t know that stuff. (1:23:08) I think that was where the like the correction happened with the, (1:23:12) uh, you know, 80s are Schwarzenegger blowing up the extra (1:23:16) that extra masculinity, it kind of just overran things. (1:23:20) And I think I don’t know if it became toxic, but it’s like (1:23:24) everybody tried to prove they were a man like Mike Waltz and don’t know how to.(1:23:28) You can’t prove to be a man. (1:23:30) You can just be a man. (1:23:32) You know what I mean? (1:23:33) You can’t you don’t prove it by doing like, oh, I raped a girl and I drugged her drink.(1:23:37) Like, that’s not what a man, you know what I mean? (1:23:39) Like, that’s not what it was. (1:23:40) So like, you know, you know what I’m saying? (1:23:42) Like, we’re in college and stuff. (1:23:44) I think that’s what that initially was, was that frat boy kind of mentality (1:23:47) where they did do that, took advantage of girls apart.(1:23:50) You don’t see movies like that anymore. (1:23:51) I mean, even like American Pie, where that’s kind of what I grew up with was like (1:23:56) the whole point was then to just try to have sex with a girl. (1:23:59) That was that was the whole thing.(1:24:01) And maybe I’m not just out of touch. (1:24:03) I’m out of touch with what’s coming out today. (1:24:05) But I don’t see anything like that anymore.(1:24:08) That was. (1:24:10) That wasn’t even right, that was like that’s our whole goal. (1:24:13) That’s what makes you a man, it’s just like, OK.(1:24:18) Once again, that’s like that’s the hero’s journey, though. (1:24:21) I mean, it’s 16 candles like Anthony Michael Hall. (1:24:24) Like every generation had its movie that was like that in a weird way.(1:24:30) But to your point, it kind of almost did stops. (1:24:33) It’s like. (1:24:34) Once again, these things aren’t toxic.(1:24:37) They are things which we need to mold and control like clay (1:24:42) to make the best shape, to be the best shaped person. (1:24:47) Just like everything else is right. (1:24:49) Like it’s like putting a good or bad on it is really challenging, I think.(1:24:53) Yeah, and that’s a step to everybody, like becoming an adult, right, (1:24:57) is figuring out a mate, right? (1:24:59) Like that’s an important step, no doubt. (1:25:02) And I think that the toxic (1:25:05) pressure, the people pushing, saying that this is toxic, (1:25:08) like does have a detrimental effect on that because there’s a good side of that (1:25:15) and that, you know, we’re kind of telling people that that’s wrong. (1:25:18) Like you shouldn’t even think about it.(1:25:20) You shouldn’t ever talk about sex with the opposite sex, because (1:25:23) that’s going to be harassment. (1:25:25) That’s going to get you a lawsuit, you know? (1:25:27) Right. To the point where people.(1:25:30) I mean, I don’t I haven’t had the chance to do well, not chance. (1:25:33) I have had zero desire to do it in the last six years going on seven (1:25:38) because I’ve been with Megan all seven years. (1:25:40) But I can tell you, if I were out there and I approached a woman, (1:25:44) how many do you think would be like, huh? (1:25:46) Huh? Like think I’m like attacking them or something.(1:25:49) I’ve seen it. (1:25:50) I’ve seen it in the wild where they’re like they don’t they’re that interaction. (1:25:55) It’s oh, I can’t swipe.(1:25:56) I can’t talk to you. (1:25:57) And that’s that’s guys, too. (1:25:59) Guys can’t even approach women anymore.(1:26:01) They can’t even talk to women. (1:26:03) It’s crazy. (1:26:03) They can’t make eye contact.(1:26:05) They can’t. It’s weird. (1:26:09) Yeah, and I was never good at that, but still, yeah, I definitely (1:26:13) even when I had to start dating again after a long term relationship, (1:26:17) it was just like, I don’t know what to do.(1:26:20) Can I even talk to people about this? (1:26:21) And like, it feels weird because the expectations are one thing. (1:26:25) And then, you know, if you don’t do that, then you’re like not a man. (1:26:29) And it’s just it’s very bizarre.(1:26:32) Yeah, I mean, dating. (1:26:33) We didn’t even talk about dating and masculinity nowadays (1:26:35) because it’s like hard to do you pick? (1:26:39) I’ve not picked up. (1:26:40) OK, in the last 10 years that I did, like when I dated, when I was dating, (1:26:44) I haven’t picked a girl, a woman up at her place in probably 15 years.(1:26:49) Yeah, maybe 20, maybe 15, probably 15 to 18 years. (1:26:55) Like literally going to their house to go to a date. (1:26:57) No, I usually meet them like even, you know what I mean? (1:27:01) Unless you were like actual dating, like actually we’re talking about, (1:27:04) like at a date, I did not go to their door, ring their doorbell, (1:27:08) open their car door, bring you know what I mean? (1:27:11) Like, I know I met them there.(1:27:13) And like, it’s funny because that toxic masculinity (1:27:17) put it so far in my head that I pushed for that. (1:27:22) Like, I’d be like, don’t you want to meet at the place (1:27:24) because you want to be safe, right? (1:27:25) And I don’t want to make you feel. (1:27:27) And I’m like, why, why, why am I talking like I’m a fucking psychopath here? (1:27:31) I’m a good dude.(1:27:32) Why am I telling this lady to like be careful? (1:27:34) You know what I mean? (1:27:36) Yeah, my wife gave me some shit about that. (1:27:39) She’s like, why didn’t you want to come pick me up? (1:27:41) And I was like, oh, I just I thought like our first date, (1:27:44) like I thought you’d want to just meet. (1:27:45) And then if I’m crazy, you can leave or if you’re crazy, I can leave.(1:27:51) Yeah. And it’s kind of it’s dating’s (1:27:54) almost become a little more transactional, almost in a way, too. (1:27:58) And it’s made it challenging to really have deep connections in some ways.(1:28:02) And I think women and men to your like we talked about that generation (1:28:07) that what 18 year old boys are like way conservative and 18 year old (1:28:11) young women are not at all conservative. (1:28:15) And that’s once again, a cultural thing where that divide. (1:28:19) It’s hard.It’s hard to get along with somebody. (1:28:22) You don’t have some some alignment or core. (1:28:24) Like if you can’t talk the same language, right? (1:28:26) Like if you know the core things to communicate, (1:28:28) then you definitely can’t get along.Exactly. Yeah. (1:28:34) And welcome.I am, by the way, I am is coming on to if by whiskey (1:28:39) special Thursday episode on the 10th. (1:28:42) I it’s going to be I’m going to wear my head. (1:28:45) What’s that? (1:28:46) I’m looking forward to that.It’s going to be good. (1:28:49) Very much so. We’re going to talk about intellectual property (1:28:52) if by intellectual property.(1:28:55) So it’ll be a good one. (1:28:56) So we’re we’re looking forward to it. (1:28:58) So anyway, but like to your point, like (1:29:00) Peterson and Tate, we’re going to get there.(1:29:03) But they cross a little bit on the masculinity side. (1:29:05) But there is a slight difference. (1:29:07) It’s like I haven’t seen Jordan Peterson use it.(1:29:11) To flaunt to peacock the cars and the women and the money (1:29:15) necessary, like I think that and we’ll get there soon. (1:29:20) Yeah, but we’ll get that. (1:29:21) He does have some beautiful suits.(1:29:22) You know, I saw him on November 8th to 2022. (1:29:25) He was wearing his half blue, half red suit. (1:29:29) It was great.(1:29:30) Yeah, I think I lost him. (1:29:32) I think I lost him in. (1:29:34) I mean, I guess he’s gone.He’s gone. (1:29:36) He’s gone. Anyway, what do we think? (1:29:38) What so what is what makes masculinity toxic? (1:29:41) Do we have like a definition? (1:29:45) I would say using (1:29:49) your advantages to (1:29:52) to get something from someone else (1:29:56) who isn’t as advantaged as you in certain things.(1:30:00) So let’s let you I mean, rape is a great example of that, right? (1:30:04) Like a man overpowers a woman. (1:30:06) It’s a power thing, clearly, whatever. (1:30:07) But he overpowers a woman.(1:30:09) That’s what that’s clearly one where it’s toxic. (1:30:12) Right. You and I, we can easily overpower people.(1:30:15) You don’t see us holding down people all day. (1:30:17) It’s not what we are, but we could. (1:30:20) And I would think that’s one.(1:30:21) What are your thoughts on on one? (1:30:25) Yeah, I’m with you there, I think. (1:30:28) Yeah, it’s taking the positive traits just to an extreme (1:30:31) and being like abusive with it. (1:30:34) So, yeah, if you’re naturally aggressive and strong, (1:30:39) we can easily imagine how taking that to an extreme would go bad.Right. (1:30:43) And yeah, like you said, it’s using that power that you have, (1:30:47) your natural abilities, things that come with being a man. (1:30:51) Like the extra physical strength, using that.(1:30:55) In a negative way, just to harm somebody, right, (1:30:59) to make people’s lives hell around you, that’s that’s what it is. (1:31:02) And it could even be like something like an addiction. (1:31:05) You know, if you get addicted to alcohol, drugs or something and.(1:31:12) You’re just sitting around, you’re not providing for your family, (1:31:14) you’re not doing the things that you need to do as a man, (1:31:17) that’s also part of the toxicity, I think. (1:31:21) Yeah, for sure. Yeah.(1:31:22) Not not using your masculinity is also toxic, right? (1:31:27) Like like like denying it in a weird way. Yeah. (1:31:31) Right.It’s like then you’re you’re start you’re becoming like you. (1:31:35) The beautiful of femininity, masculinity is that there’s a balance. (1:31:38) And they and they you know, it’s the sine cosine curve (1:31:41) and they fill each other out.(1:31:43) That’s the whole point. (1:31:43) They they end up the lows that we have are the highs that women are like. (1:31:47) To your point, toxic femininity.(1:31:50) How great does it feel when your wife comes up to you and just says, (1:31:54) oh, my God, Jason, you did this thing, you screwed on this hinge on this door. (1:31:59) I hadn’t said anything to you, but like I just saw it was loose today (1:32:02) and I came back and it was tight. (1:32:03) Oh, my God, you were the most amazing.(1:32:05) I love you so much. (1:32:06) It’s like how that feels. (1:32:08) But I’ve seen women use that and use it to like pit people against each other, too.(1:32:12) Right. So it’s how that how that’s used. (1:32:16) It can be some toxic femininity in there.(1:32:19) Right. So there’s it’s the same thing. (1:32:21) Once again, it doesn’t make that a toxic trait.(1:32:24) But if it’s wielded improperly or with the ill intent, then it could be right. (1:32:31) Yeah, it kind of comes down to really just (1:32:34) is it something people want, you know, like (1:32:37) it’s kind of like the voluntarist mindset, like is this a voluntary (1:32:42) transaction between us? (1:32:43) Do you want me to be aggressive? (1:32:46) Do you want me to take leadership in this role? (1:32:49) You know, and if everybody’s on board, then that’s a positive thing. (1:32:56) Can a male address this and be more feminine? (1:33:01) Good question.(1:33:02) Would one argue that submission is a feminine trait? (1:33:10) How about being more? (1:33:12) What’s that called? Agreeable. (1:33:14) Let’s say agreeable versus agreeable is a better way. (1:33:17) Right.Let’s just use that. (1:33:18) Like you see these CEOs who like dominate the world (1:33:21) and then they go and they get their balls stepped on or something (1:33:24) or they get beat up by a woman, like because it’s like a release thing. (1:33:28) There’s a weird psychology there.(1:33:30) So I there there could be some of that. (1:33:33) Right. We’re like, but it’s more of a release of some sort.(1:33:36) So it’s it gets pretty nuanced. (1:33:39) There might be something to look into. (1:33:40) But I think there’s a lot of factors in that.(1:33:44) Yeah. Interesting question. (1:33:45) I got to think about that one.(1:33:47) Hmm. I like Justin also said, I think not I’m assuming he meant (1:33:52) rape is not really masculinity. (1:33:54) And I would agree.(1:33:55) My point is the overpowering or the strength and the, you know, the might have. (1:33:59) Yeah, I think maybe that was referring to the strength and the, you know, (1:34:03) aggression type stuff. (1:34:05) But yeah, right.(1:34:07) That’s not all masculinity is, of course. (1:34:09) That’s just one example of a thing that men naturally (1:34:13) generally have more of than women. (1:34:15) But that doesn’t necessarily make you masculine.(1:34:18) That’s right. (1:34:21) Speaking of the toxic side, we got to talk about Andrew Tate. (1:34:25) So we got a couple of his clips.(1:34:28) And like I said, a lot of what he says overlaps with what Peterson says. (1:34:32) And a lot of it is good. (1:34:33) Maybe 90 percent is good.(1:34:36) But there’s also some some not so good stuff in there. (1:34:40) And I don’t think that he is a great role model (1:34:44) to follow for people. (1:34:45) But that’s my opinion.(1:34:49) Well, I can say this. (1:34:52) Why do we have to take the person as a whole? (1:34:56) Why can’t we look at his discipline? (1:34:58) His work routine, his ethic. (1:35:02) Why can’t we look and go, go, man, Andrew Tate really works his butt off.(1:35:07) Wow. Andrew Tate’s really disciplined. (1:35:11) Wow.Andrew Tate really has his life (1:35:14) structured the way he needs it to to get his job. (1:35:17) Not the other stuff. (1:35:18) Not not judging the other stuff, but looking at those traits as individual things (1:35:23) and then the other side going, OK, we can dismiss these other things.(1:35:26) What are your thoughts on something like that? (1:35:29) Yeah, definitely. (1:35:30) I think what came to mind was Bill Cosby. (1:35:34) I keep not doing as I do as they say.(1:35:38) I like to talk to you about my Jell-O pudding pops. (1:35:42) Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Jell-O pudding. (1:35:45) Sorry, I got a decent Bill Cosby.(1:35:47) Yeah. For people that know me, you know, I’m obsessed with Norm MacDonald. (1:35:50) He has a great joke about this.(1:35:52) He’s just like, oh, yeah, I used to love Bill Cosby. (1:35:56) I didn’t really like his comedy so much, but who he was as a man. (1:36:01) He’s like, well, that was before we knew about the raping.(1:36:04) They didn’t put that on the the the comedy album notes that he was (1:36:10) at the cleanest comedy album that I that I stole from (1:36:14) from a department store himself. (1:36:16) Oh, my God. Well, remember, I’m from Philadelphia.(1:36:19) He always had like family values and like the conservative kind of mindset. (1:36:23) And like he like he said, a lot of good things. (1:36:25) But then you find out he’s actually this monster behind the scenes.(1:36:28) That’s anyway. (1:36:30) But that doesn’t totally discount everything he ever said about (1:36:35) that, the good stuff, you know. (1:36:37) Really good point.(1:36:38) And and it and it sucks because once again, I grew up in Philadelphia. (1:36:43) Bill Cosby was a Philadelphian. (1:36:45) So my my my mom worked with a catering company.(1:36:48) And we’re like, we did really good catering stuff. (1:36:50) We did like Trump’s yacht, the princess and stuff. (1:36:53) We did a bunch of cool catering stuff, like really awesome stories (1:36:57) about some pretty high end stuff.(1:36:59) But that was one of the Bill Cosby is one of our people I’ve got. (1:37:03) And and it’s just real interesting. (1:37:05) And like how we looked at him, like he’s a black guy.(1:37:10) Given us the thing that we’re kind of telling (1:37:12) we think black guys should do or something, I don’t know what the hell. (1:37:15) Well, I don’t know how to say it like it. (1:37:17) It’s stupid, but it’s like, remember, this is this is the 80s, everybody.(1:37:20) Like, hello, we don’t fucking know. (1:37:22) We’re Archie Bunker. He’s still OK, whatever.(1:37:25) So these people are idiots. (1:37:27) And anyway, so he had this thing. (1:37:31) Pull up your bootstraps.(1:37:32) He had really good things that himself. (1:37:35) Album is one of the most amazing albums, and it’s totally clean. (1:37:38) And then the same guy also roofie drinks and rape women.(1:37:41) And you’re like, wow, that is really unfortunate. (1:37:46) Like, what do you I don’t know how to I don’t know. (1:37:48) What do you make with that? Right.(1:37:49) Do you do you throw the baby out with the bathwater on that? (1:37:54) No, I don’t. (1:37:55) But also, man, just like all the people that not all the people, (1:37:59) I will say a lot of people that I see advocating for, like (1:38:04) kind of some conservative things that I might agree with (1:38:08) are also just like frickin weirdos and they’re crazy. (1:38:13) And yeah, Mark’s definitely high.(1:38:16) Trying to get in focus. (1:38:18) I’m trying. There we go.Drew. Drew. (1:38:22) Anyway, are they paying you? (1:38:23) Otherwise, get that shit off the screen.(1:38:26) They might be assuming. (1:38:29) Anyways, yeah. (1:38:31) So, no, I don’t discount good things people say (1:38:34) because they also do bad things like you could look at (1:38:37) the founders of America, right? (1:38:40) They own slaves.(1:38:41) But that doesn’t mean that they also didn’t have good ideas. (1:38:43) You know, they didn’t all work out in. (1:38:47) Yeah, Jefferson was about as liberty minded as one could be.(1:38:51) And he had sleep. (1:38:54) So, yeah, people have faults. (1:38:57) Everybody has a fault.(1:38:58) I’ll find one in myself eventually. (1:39:01) Yeah. And and and the interesting.(1:39:04) Yeah, and the interesting is, did you want me to play (1:39:05) that other clip before the Tate one? (1:39:10) Now, let’s go. Let’s just go into number nine. (1:39:14) Yeah.(1:39:15) So we’re getting back to kind of the difference between men and women. (1:39:20) And this one, he’s talking about feminine leaders. (1:39:24) So this might this might play into what I am for.(1:39:27) I am said 100 percent. (1:39:30) We don’t hate men. (1:39:30) Look, here’s a man, but he’s not masculine.(1:39:33) They hate men who act masculine. (1:39:34) They like the men who act like girls because they’re eunuchs. (1:39:37) They like the eunuchs and the girls.(1:39:38) They don’t like the real masculine men. (1:39:40) And there’s not a single leader in Europe which is a masculine man. (1:39:43) Europe is a feminine continent.(1:39:44) And the problem with femininity as a whole is that as their emotions change, (1:39:48) their obligations change. (1:39:49) It’s the masculine imperative to make a promise and make a pact. (1:39:52) And even if your emotions change, you stick to your word.(1:39:55) That is masculine. (1:39:56) Female is I love you so much right now. (1:39:58) I’ll never do everything for you.(1:39:59) I’ll die for you because I love you. (1:40:00) As soon as she stops loving you, everything’s out the window. (1:40:02) Nothing matters.Her words don’t matter. (1:40:04) All that matters are her feelings. (1:40:05) Problem that Zelinsky has now is his allies are women, (1:40:08) which means right now they feel like helping him, (1:40:10) which means they’ll make him a whole bunch of promises.(1:40:12) They mean what they say. (1:40:13) They’re not lying. They mean it right now.(1:40:15) But when their feelings change, everything changes. (1:40:20) All right. A couple of things in there, man.(1:40:22) Like one, are people trying? (1:40:26) Maybe this is too obvious of a question, (1:40:28) but are people trying to make men weak so that they can just control them? (1:40:39) Not maybe not intentionally, but as. (1:40:44) The ebb and flow of the cycle of life goes. (1:40:49) There is remember, Robert, who’s the guy who did a free will thing (1:40:52) where the there was a baboon, some kind of baboon tribe.(1:40:56) They got sick. (1:40:57) All the all the aggressive male baboons died. (1:41:00) And then it was real gentle baboons, and that’s how they chose (1:41:04) their mates going forward is the gentleness because there was a change.(1:41:08) But. In this case. (1:41:13) I, I, it’s like the softness comes with the ease of life.(1:41:19) Like, we can’t knock people over the head and drag them to the cave anymore. (1:41:23) I mean, we can’t even ask them out in person. (1:41:26) Yeah.I. (1:41:28) But then, I mean, you see that in selection by women, right, (1:41:32) that they’re not attracted to these guys that are useless and helpless, right? (1:41:37) Even if they end up settling down with one of them, they have, you know, (1:41:41) they’ll they’ll bring in a bull to come (1:41:44) have sex with them while their their husband watches or something. (1:41:48) You know, I mean, it’s crazy. (1:41:52) And yeah.I don’t. (1:41:54) I don’t know. (1:41:55) So when women, women will claim like, let’s be honest, (1:41:58) women will claim they want their best friend.(1:42:02) I’m sorry, ladies. (1:42:05) Your man cannot be your fucking best friend. (1:42:10) Your best friend is Jen, and it’s not I can’t.(1:42:13) It can be the same. (1:42:14) It can be something of a different sex. (1:42:15) But generally, your best friend is whoever you went through (1:42:19) the hardest times in your life with.(1:42:21) That’s who your best friend is. (1:42:22) And that’s a person that can pretty much stab you in the heart (1:42:25) and stab you in the back or whatever. (1:42:26) Generally, same sex, though.(1:42:28) Because they are the understanding of the challenges are similar. (1:42:34) Because the challenges tend to be similar. (1:42:37) Yes, there are variances.(1:42:39) This is just we’re talking generalities here, right? (1:42:41) As a as a general rule, men act differently. (1:42:44) All men are interested in things. (1:42:46) So dudes will huddle around a fucking car engine, (1:42:49) sipping a beer and not say a fucking word, not say a word.(1:42:53) Yeah. Right. (1:42:54) And you got women in the back pouring a tea and just having like chuckling, (1:42:58) having a great time, laughing it up.(1:42:59) It’s like it’s not good, bad or indifferent. (1:43:02) These are just how we are. Right.(1:43:05) So, yeah, I just saw a meme like that. (1:43:08) It’s like men will stand around like this for hours (1:43:11) and never ask each other’s names, like standing around drinking (1:43:14) and, you know, working on a car or something. (1:43:17) They will talk and and hang out.(1:43:19) And I don’t yeah, I don’t even need to ask your name. (1:43:21) I don’t know about your feelings or things. (1:43:24) It’s just and like you said, things with my wife that she (1:43:29) needs to talk to another woman about because I just I don’t understand.(1:43:33) Like I don’t I would like to. (1:43:35) I love you, but I just (1:43:38) I don’t get it. (1:43:40) So there’s always desire.(1:43:42) It’s not out of lack of love. (1:43:43) Like you just are in incapable of that exact need. (1:43:48) Now you can support her and I’m here for you if you need an ear just to talk.(1:43:51) But if you’re talking about a different level, there’s a different level. (1:43:54) You know what I mean of that? Yeah, for sure. Yeah.(1:43:58) But yeah, I mean, it’s like I talked about these kids. (1:44:01) I had to my best friend growing up back, back, back. (1:44:05) East has two kids just graduated high school.(1:44:09) And it was something I was like, are they dating? (1:44:11) When a couple of years ago, I’m like, are they dating? (1:44:13) And he’s like, well, no, like, no, you have to be non-binary (1:44:17) or fluid or something. (1:44:19) You can’t be a boy looking to date a girl. (1:44:22) I’m like, what? (1:44:24) And I’m like, I never heard.(1:44:25) You don’t see that in Arizona schools. (1:44:27) Don’t get me wrong. I’ve not heard that.(1:44:28) Like it’s it’s probably regional or whatever. (1:44:30) But like some of these schools have gotten very corrupted (1:44:32) with some of these ideologies. (1:44:33) And you’re just like, you have to be you have to be not white, like to flu.(1:44:38) Like, I don’t even understand what that means. Right. (1:44:42) Like, I don’t know.(1:44:43) I have no idea your responsibilities, right? (1:44:46) How much how important is that? (1:44:48) Loyalty, stay true to your people and your commitments. (1:44:52) That’s another one I put down. (1:44:54) And Andrew Tate, that’s a true loyalty.(1:44:57) I think they are trying. (1:44:58) I think it’s very intentional. (1:45:00) Whoever they is, the people in charge, they really do want weakness.(1:45:04) That’s a goal. (1:45:05) And like Tate was saying, like they want these men in charge, (1:45:09) but they’re not masculine. (1:45:11) They’re not like they’re not men, you know, they’re very feminine.(1:45:17) By the way, Robert Sapolsky was the baboon guy. (1:45:20) Thank you, Justin. (1:45:21) Justin saved the day.(1:45:22) Did I did I bombard you with that one, Justin? (1:45:24) I probably send everybody everything. (1:45:26) When I you seem to have more. (1:45:28) OK, just for first of all, welcome to all.(1:45:31) Welcome to an if by whiskey. (1:45:32) We’re talking about masculinity. (1:45:34) I’m with my good buddy.(1:45:35) Drop the mask at drop the mask on X. (1:45:37) Go over there. (1:45:38) Drop the mask pod at drop the mask pod. (1:45:41) Drop the mask on rumble.(1:45:43) Sign up. Follow him. (1:45:45) Follow this guy over here.(1:45:47) And what? (1:45:48) It’s so interesting when I go down the rabbit hole. (1:45:51) How much shit do I just bomb? (1:45:52) I just drop on you. (1:45:53) I’m like, I’m watching these three things right now.(1:45:55) Good, good, good. (1:45:57) And you’re like, what the fuck are you doing? (1:45:58) Oh, man, it’s like from free will to consciousness over to this. (1:46:02) And then I threw it on anyway.(1:46:03) So I totally understand when I mentioned something and you’re like, (1:46:06) what the fuck are you talking about? (1:46:07) That’s me on me. (1:46:10) Yeah. Some of the things I’m like, I just don’t have space (1:46:13) in my brain for that right now.(1:46:15) I’ll park it. (1:46:16) I’m losing song lyrics are getting pushed out. (1:46:20) Yeah.Anyway. (1:46:23) Yeah, we got one more take clip. (1:46:25) Then we can start wrapping up pretty soon, I think.(1:46:30) Yeah. One more thing. (1:46:32) This one is on Piers Morgan.(1:46:38) Emotional as a society crying too much about everything. (1:46:43) What you got a point? (1:46:43) She’s completely right. (1:46:44) And the dangerous thing about overly emotional men is that they’re dangerous.(1:46:47) They’re genuinely dangerous. (1:46:48) This is what’s crazy. (1:46:49) All these people talk about toxic masculinity (1:46:50) and how bad it is for men to be traditionally masculine.(1:46:53) A traditionally masculine man does things he doesn’t feel like doing (1:46:56) because it is his duty to do that. (1:46:57) He charges into the burning building because it is his duty. (1:47:00) Not because he feels like it, because it is his duty.(1:47:02) We’re now teaching the new generation of men that they don’t have duty (1:47:05) and they can just act on their feelings and act how they feel. (1:47:07) And they don’t have to act as a man should. (1:47:09) Do you know what happens when you get men who just act how they feel? (1:47:12) You get school shooters.(1:47:13) You get violence. You get rapists. (1:47:15) Men who do not control their emotions are dangerous.(1:47:17) If you find a man who is stoic, he’s not going to hurt people. (1:47:20) He’s going to sit and think about his actions very carefully. (1:47:22) And he’s going to be a good man who protects and provides for his family.(1:47:24) You find a man who just acts out on impulse and does whatever he feels like. (1:47:28) You’re going to find a dangerous man sitting here telling men to cry more (1:47:31) and act with their feelings. (1:47:32) And it’s OK to feel this way, that way, et cetera, and have no self-control.(1:47:36) That is why we have the problems we have in the world. (1:47:38) Absolutely not. They’re wrong.(1:47:39) So when they talk about toxic masculinity, (1:47:40) they have it completely inversed on its head, completely wrong. (1:47:43) We need to be teaching stoicism. (1:47:45) We need to be teaching young men to understand that the world is very, (1:47:46) very difficult.It’s hard to be a man. (1:47:48) You’re going to feel bad sometimes. (1:47:49) You just suck it up and perform anyway.(1:47:55) Yeah, there we go. So dangerous. (1:47:57) I mean, he talks about dangerous in the opposite way, like people (1:48:00) who are weak become dangerous because they act on impulse (1:48:06) because they’re not in control.(1:48:08) So this is kind of the opposite of what Peterson was talking about, (1:48:10) where you should have the potential to be dangerous, but you shouldn’t. (1:48:16) You shouldn’t be so weak that you become dangerous that way. (1:48:20) It’s like the opposite end of the spectrum.(1:48:23) All right. And with the strength in the danger (1:48:28) comes the strength needed to control the danger. (1:48:33) And what I think is these men are not (1:48:37) they’re not as strong as traditional men, but they’re still men, (1:48:40) but they’re somewhat emotional, which makes them extremely more dangerous (1:48:45) because they’re three quarter man (1:48:49) with emotional tendencies versus all man with stoic tendencies.(1:48:54) If that if that makes kind of a sense. (1:48:56) Yeah, yeah. (1:48:58) Because regardless, a man on a tirade (1:49:01) is more dangerous than a woman on a tirade, like, you know, (1:49:05) just starts going berserk, just absolutely berserk.(1:49:07) It’s just a physical thing. (1:49:09) It’s not, you know, just a general. (1:49:11) Yeah.So these couple of clips probably make it look pretty good. (1:49:15) But he’s he’s also got some bad shit. (1:49:18) How can you not take how can you not take good points away from that? (1:49:21) He’s what are your thoughts on that? (1:49:23) You tell me what are your thoughts on what emotion being dangerous for a man? (1:49:27) What are your thoughts? (1:49:27) I mean, what do you like? (1:49:28) Do you think men should share their feelings? (1:49:32) Do you think that’s appropriate? (1:49:33) Is that masculine? (1:49:34) Is that something men should be doing? (1:49:36) Because they kind of says, no, we don’t want you (1:49:39) like feeling your feelings and acting on acting on them anyway.(1:49:44) But should we at least talk about them? (1:49:49) Yeah. And I struggle with that because I’m not going to lie. (1:49:53) I have like depression issues.(1:49:55) Like, so I remember you met my girlfriend, (1:49:59) but I remember waking up on a Saturday morning, going, looking at her (1:50:02) for like with the most stoic thing, no emotion going. (1:50:05) I’m telling you right now, I’m feeling very depressed. (1:50:08) I don’t like how I’m feeling.(1:50:11) Like, I’m able to be complete and be like, (1:50:16) but I can imagine how horrifying that felt for her to hear. (1:50:21) Because like the first thing you do is internalize. (1:50:23) What did I do? What am I? (1:50:24) Am I how can I fix? I can’t fix it.(1:50:27) What am I? I can’t. (1:50:28) You know what I mean? (1:50:28) Like, we all do that, right? (1:50:29) Because it’s out of love. (1:50:31) But like, it’s hard to express sometimes where it’s like (1:50:34) I can be very pragmatic about a very emotional thing for her.(1:50:37) But let me tell you how much time and work that took on my like I went. (1:50:42) I’ve taken my I’ve dragged myself through some very challenging, emotional, (1:50:47) like mental, psychological things to get to this point. (1:50:53) And I’d like us to be this way.(1:50:56) But I think it’s I think you have to always work at it if that’s what you want. (1:50:59) But I found myself. (1:51:01) This sharing happened after you guys had been together for a long time, right? (1:51:04) This wasn’t just like, oh, yeah, your first date.(1:51:07) You’re not like, I got to be honest with you. (1:51:09) I’m super depressed. (1:51:10) And actually, I don’t like myself.(1:51:12) Like, I’m not going to do that. (1:51:14) No, I did tell her about my weird shit, though, because I (1:51:17) because she’d have to live with it. (1:51:18) So I did mention the weird stuff that I get.(1:51:21) But yeah, to your point, you do put a little bit of your best foot forward, (1:51:24) for sure. (1:51:25) But like the point is, like, I want you to know how I’m feeling. (1:51:28) I want you to know 100 percent it’s not you.(1:51:33) I know how you’re going to feel about that statement. (1:51:36) Like, you know, it’s like I’ve thought about all these things (1:51:38) before telling you this, but I can’t not tell you because if I’m. (1:51:43) You you’re going to sense that I’m not feel I’m different (1:51:46) and you’re going to ask me and I’m going to say I’m fine or something.(1:51:50) So I might as well just kind of just stoically pointed out now. (1:51:54) You know what I mean? (1:51:57) Yeah, right. (1:51:59) So I think there’s a time and a place for it.(1:52:01) I think men do need to share. (1:52:02) But yeah, who you share with and when (1:52:05) and you know what the context is around it. (1:52:07) I think that can say a lot, because women will always say like, (1:52:12) oh, you should share your feelings and you should talk to me.(1:52:15) Sometimes when you do that, it backfires. (1:52:17) It’s really not what they want, even if they say they do. (1:52:21) Right.And I do think to your point, I think to be more nuanced, (1:52:24) maybe the sharing should be among men. (1:52:28) Could be once again to the same point of like, I’ve heard of these men groups. (1:52:31) I know a lot of church groups do them.(1:52:34) I’ve not been in one, but I’ve heard some really positive things (1:52:37) about these men groups where they literally, you know, they’ll talk about (1:52:40) stuff that they maybe should share with their wife or something, (1:52:43) but it would freak them out if if you ladies (1:52:48) do not ask what’s inside a man’s head for it’s either nothing (1:52:51) or fucking atomic bombs. (1:52:53) That’s like that’s literally all it is. (1:52:55) It’s either nothing or fucking every explosion in the entire world.(1:52:59) That’s that’s all we are. (1:53:00) We are empty or just great, like great. (1:53:03) That’s just it.Sorry. (1:53:04) But, you know, we just be patient with us, have some grace. (1:53:10) Yeah, and being able to share definitely shows some confidence.(1:53:14) I’m stealing Zach’s comment. (1:53:18) Oh, please. Yeah.(1:53:20) So but well, thank you. (1:53:22) And I think part of this is like, once again, you and I are messengers. (1:53:27) We had different ideas before.(1:53:30) No one starts out the way we think. (1:53:32) We got there through some variance of learning, experience, whatever. (1:53:36) And if we don’t show where we fucked up or where we thought different, (1:53:39) the same points like we have to show that accountability of, hey, (1:53:42) we got that wrong and this is where we steer differently, right? (1:53:46) Mm hmm.Yeah. (1:53:48) So we’re running low on time here. (1:53:51) I think we could start getting to the end, maybe to sum it up (1:53:55) from a bird’s eye view, what I think masculinity is (1:54:00) is kind of three stages.(1:54:01) You got to be able to take care of yourself (1:54:04) and you’ll need a collection of different traits and skills, (1:54:07) abilities to do that. (1:54:08) But that’s the first thing. (1:54:10) You’re not going to become a man until you can take care of yourself.(1:54:13) If you’re dependent on somebody else that kind of just throws it out the window (1:54:18) and then take care of your family, start a family, (1:54:22) take care of them, your spouse, your your kids, whatever that looks like to you. (1:54:25) That’s going to be different for everybody. (1:54:26) I’m not saying you have to necessarily have kids or anything.(1:54:30) It’s just that’s part of it. (1:54:32) And then after, if you can do that successfully, (1:54:35) then start thinking about the world around you, your neighborhood, (1:54:37) your community, your city. (1:54:40) Think about how you can make a better place (1:54:42) and not in the way of like a politician, how they want to take control (1:54:46) and do things for other people and steal people’s money (1:54:49) and then feel like they’re good because they do that.(1:54:53) You know, take care of your community, go do something for people, serve people. (1:54:58) I think that’s you know, if you’re if you’re developed enough (1:55:01) that you can take care of yourself and your family and then still have time (1:55:05) to help other people that really (1:55:08) to me, that’s the biggest part of being a man, being an adult. (1:55:13) Yeah.And to your point. (1:55:16) It’s not just clean your room. (1:55:18) It’s like you got to put your oxygen mask on first.(1:55:21) Mm hmm. You’re too busy scrambling when everybody else is (1:55:25) you’re going to pass out and no one gets help. (1:55:27) You got to take it on your shoulders.(1:55:30) Be the first point of contact. (1:55:32) Always be the first, you know, shield, whatever that is, (1:55:36) whether it’s a weight or a load or a force you have, you have to be there. (1:55:41) And it it is a duty.(1:55:44) There is a duty aspect to it. (1:55:47) And it’s because it’s gotten us here. (1:55:51) Yeah, because we live in a world that’s pretty easy, (1:55:55) like life is pretty easy, at least to do the bare minimum (1:55:59) that people just kind of get complacent.(1:56:02) They get stuck in that and they don’t ever get to the point (1:56:05) where they’re really taking care of themselves. (1:56:07) They’re really taking care of a family there. (1:56:09) They’re still dependent on people.(1:56:11) So, yeah, just as I think being responsible for others (1:56:17) is one of the things that forces young men into becoming a man. Absolutely. Yeah.(1:56:22) Yeah. How many people? (1:56:25) I and I not had that pleasure of being a parent, (1:56:29) but I’ve heard fathers be like, I’m fucked, I’m fucked, I’m fucked, (1:56:34) I’m fucked, I’m fucked, I’m fucked and then go, holy shit, everything makes sense. (1:56:39) Now I fucking know exactly what I need to do.(1:56:41) Like, I’ve just heard that story so many times from from friends of mine (1:56:46) that are just like it. (1:56:48) There’s a purpose there. (1:56:49) And it probably is the strongest purpose.(1:56:51) It really is, because it is you. (1:56:53) It’s literally you like, I don’t know. (1:56:56) I like, yeah, yeah, that goes down to your deepest instinct, I think.Yeah. (1:57:04) So we got one more. (1:57:06) Williamson, number 11.(1:57:08) So this is just kind of wrapping it up, talking about the positive parts (1:57:11) of masculinity that I think people need to remember, (1:57:14) because there’s so much focus on the negative (1:57:17) in the discourse today that it’s good to remember that. (1:57:22) There are positive parts of it. (1:57:24) 100 percent, I think, like what you said is like these traits are just traits.(1:57:29) How they are used is like a tool, right? (1:57:32) You can use a gun to protect your property and family, (1:57:35) but you can also use it to go on a rampage. (1:57:37) You know, same thing. (1:57:38) This is taking (1:57:40) something which is uncertain.(1:57:42) It could go either way. (1:57:43) You know, this desire for mastery, for conquer, for achievement (1:57:48) and and using it to propel you forward and. (1:57:51) Hopefully making the world a better place, (1:57:53) there’s no reason that your desire to pursue and conquer (1:57:58) and become masterful in a thing has to leave the world worse.(1:58:01) It’s not some weird zero sum thing where in order for you to become better, (1:58:05) you need to take from the world. (1:58:07) I think it it’s additive. (1:58:12) That’s it, man.(1:58:13) When you really take care of yourself, that’s additive. (1:58:16) That it adds to the world, you know, just the simple fact (1:58:20) of not being a leech on the people around you already adds to the world. (1:58:25) And then when you take it to the next level, the next level, (1:58:27) you really can make exponential change in the world and make it positive.(1:58:33) And again, it’s got to be it’s got to be voluntary. (1:58:36) I’ll take it back to my to the libertarian side. (1:58:39) You know, it’s got it can’t be by force.(1:58:42) You can’t take people’s money and make the world better. (1:58:44) It just doesn’t work. (1:58:46) It really doesn’t.(1:58:47) And to your point, that community in the libertarian world (1:58:51) works with that accountability and with all those kinds of pieces as well. (1:58:58) Zach says, always, gentlemen, you help me procrastinate. (1:59:01) You’re very welcome for that.(1:59:03) That’s what we’re all really doing here. (1:59:04) We’re all procrastinating, getting real shit done in the real world. (1:59:09) 100 percent.(1:59:10) And once again, we are so grateful. (1:59:12) Thank you, everyone, for joining us for another another if by whiskey. (1:59:18) This was once again, an if by masculinity (1:59:21) before we call it a night with the channel, guys.(1:59:24) We got a whole channel set up on Rumble. (1:59:27) Go follow Mark at Mark Sean Pulse on X, (1:59:31) the Knocked Conscious podcast on all your favorite podcast platforms. (1:59:36) Give him a follow.(1:59:36) Give him some likes. (1:59:38) Go subscribe to his content. (1:59:40) Send him a buck or two.(1:59:42) He deserves it. (1:59:42) He’s been doing this a long time. (1:59:45) Well, sir, any rants, by the way? (1:59:47) Thank you to Zach.(1:59:48) Zach granted us a dollar on Rumble today. (1:59:51) So that’s going in our coffers. (1:59:54) So we’ve we’ve got I’ve got a screenshot.(1:59:57) I’ll send you, sir, so we can keep accountability (1:59:58) because I am also aggressive and voluntarious. (2:00:01) And I am not going to mess up with our social contract because we (2:00:04) I think we got something here, man. (2:00:06) I really think this has been awesome.(2:00:07) And I’m really grateful for for doing this. (2:00:10) And the name change. (2:00:11) Does everyone like the name change? (2:00:12) We should probably ask some people.(2:00:13) But thank you again. (2:00:14) Thirty five people on tonight, on a Monday night. (2:00:17) You know, thank you for sharing your time with us.(2:00:19) We’re really so grateful for that. (2:00:22) Yeah. Thank you, everybody.(2:00:24) Really appreciate it. It’s been great. (2:00:26) We got I am for I am coming up on Thursday.(2:00:29) We normally we did switch to Mondays, but we’re doing a special one for him. (2:00:33) So come check us out this Thursday, same time. (2:00:37) And maybe we can finish up.(2:00:39) We’ll leave people to think about is this positive masculinity (2:00:43) or is this toxic? (2:00:45) This one’s an interesting one. (2:00:46) We’re going to leave it on this one. (2:00:48) Thank you again for joining us Thursday again.(2:00:50) I am for I am 5 p.m. (2:00:52) Arizona time, 8 p.m. Eastern. (2:00:55) We’re going to talk about intellectual property. (2:00:57) I’m still man.(2:00:58) I think you I think you, Jason, and I think I think I am are going to (2:01:03) give me so many things to think about. (2:01:05) And I’m I’m more going to absorb more there in that one. (2:01:08) So we leave you with this clip, this clip.(2:01:12) Hey, you’ll understand if you’re a man, you’ll understand. (2:01:17) And he’s just put a (2:01:20) a wrench, a stick and a belt (2:01:22) on the table and just say, choose. (2:01:26) Well, I got to go with the belt, have an (2:01:27) I used to go with the wrench by the wrench.(2:01:32) It’s fucking that’s why. (2:01:36) Because fuck him. That’s why.(2:01:38) Fuck him. And I think Dave Smith uses an analogy, if I may, (2:01:43) just to kind of put a pin in it as to where we heard this. (2:01:46) I think he was talking to himself or he was on with Rogan.(2:01:48) And he’s like, imagine you own a home, your grandparents for 100 years (2:01:54) and some stranger comes and goes, you don’t live here anymore. (2:01:58) They take your home. (2:02:00) You have no recourse to get that home back.(2:02:03) And you get to the point where you go, I’m going to burn it the fuck down. (2:02:07) And the guy goes, that’s not really rational. (2:02:09) And you’re like, yeah, but but is it? (2:02:12) I mean, it’s not like you’re getting it anyway.(2:02:14) So like, it’s not like you have access regardless of its ability to be there. (2:02:18) So what is the ability to be there for? (2:02:21) I guess if it makes me, you know what I mean? (2:02:24) Like, oh, man, humanity is so tricky, ladies and gentlemen. (2:02:29) Would you choose my wife? (2:02:31) And I just watched this movie last week.(2:02:34) No kidding. Really? (2:02:36) Before they talked about it. Yeah.(2:02:39) Well, no way. (2:02:40) So did you did that part like do anything during (2:02:42) or were you just kind of watching it? (2:02:44) Oh, yeah. That part always gets me.(2:02:45) It’s just like, oh, yeah, fuck him. (2:02:49) That’s why. That’s why.(2:02:51) I don’t I think I could be driven to the wrench, but I don’t think that’s my go to. (2:02:56) I wouldn’t know. (2:02:58) That wouldn’t be me.(2:02:58) But I’m like, OK, that’s that’s a strong guy there. (2:03:03) You know, it’s weird. (2:03:04) Do you is it weird that you wish you could be? (2:03:08) Because I kind of wish I could, I kind of yeah, of course, I wish I could, right? (2:03:12) Like, OK, so that’s masculinity right there.(2:03:15) Like wishing to be the dude who fucking accepts the wrench. (2:03:20) Look, that’s fucking masculinity because living this life (2:03:24) is fucking hard, whether you’re a man or a woman. (2:03:28) How about that? (2:03:30) I think we just define masculinity, accepting the wrench.(2:03:34) Taking the ranch. That’s right. (2:03:36) We wasted two hours just to tell you, take the ranch.(2:03:39) We could. We were going to start the whole show with that. (2:03:42) And now we could end it with it.(2:03:43) Or now we end it. So I think it’s a good anyway. (2:03:47) Gentlemen, sir, thank you so much.(2:03:50) Once again, I am on Thursday. (2:03:52) We’ve got another one on Monday and then we’ve got a friends the next Thursday. (2:03:55) We’ve got a busy couple of weeks here.(2:03:57) So thank you, everyone, to whoever joined on. (2:04:00) Please drop the mask on rumble (2:04:04) at drop the mask pod on X. (2:04:09) Please follow subscribe link. (2:04:12) You’ve got a locals to write on your rumble channel.(2:04:15) Yeah. Drop the mask pod dot locals dot com. (2:04:17) I’m working on some new stuff.(2:04:20) I’ve been taking a little bit of a break from my normal podcast, (2:04:23) but I got some things cooking. (2:04:26) So hang in there. (2:04:28) I did see something you share with me, and I know nothing.(2:04:31) I know nothing. (2:04:33) I’ll be like Schultz from Hogan’s Heroes. (2:04:35) But is that something you’re still pursuing? (2:04:37) Because I thought that was an awesome idea.(2:04:41) It’s going to be cool. (2:04:42) I’m excited about it. (2:04:43) So, yeah, I think.(2:04:45) And yeah, I’m really excited. (2:04:46) So keep keep sharing. (2:04:47) Once again, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much.(2:04:50) We figured this thing out. (2:04:51) Jason was has the intro. (2:04:54) He created that intro Roman of roaming bandits.(2:04:58) Roman Garcia. (2:04:59) He created the music. (2:05:00) Jason put it all together.(2:05:02) Jason’s we’re going to have the same outro as we did intro. (2:05:05) But Jason has committed because he’s a man and he’s masculine. (2:05:09) He’s going he’s committed to doing a different outro.(2:05:12) So we are going to do something slightly different. (2:05:14) But thank you again, everyone who joined stick around. (2:05:17) It’s been another if by whiskey.(2:05:19) We’re going to have another one Thursday with with William of I am for I am. (2:05:24) And it’s going to be about intellectual property if by intellectual property. (2:05:28) Thanks, everybody.Have a good night. (2:05:29) Jason. Thank you, sir.(2:05:31) Have yourself a good evening. (2:05:33) Adios. All right.Take care.