Fundraiser for Dr. Michael Rectenwald (https://www.givesendgo.com/rectenwald-2025)

Zak joins me for an impromptu fundraiser for Dr. Michael Rectenwald, who is to undergo surgery. Andrew jumps on about halfway through, then Dr. Michael Rectenwald himself joins us (1h, 30m in)! It was a very fun & informative conversation, with some Q & A sprinkled-in.
Rec’s GiveSendGo: https://www.givesendgo.com/rectenwald-2025

Transcript:

(0:00) Yeah. (0:01) Oh, do you want me to, are you good? (0:04) No, we’re good. (0:05) Hey everybody.(0:06) All right. (0:08) Welcome, welcome, welcome everyone. (0:11) We got Zach.(0:13) That no, this direction. (0:14) No, man. (0:14) I always get it.(0:15) I don’t do the camera stuff right. (0:17) There’s Zach right there. (0:18) He’s ready.(0:19) Welcome. (0:19) We have. (0:20) Can you put up the first post? (0:26) All right.(0:26) So allegedly they’re having trouble streaming to X. (0:30) This may have issues on X. (0:32) They’ll keep us updated. (0:33) They’ll keep trying. (0:34) So right now we’ve got no X connection, but that’s where everybody is with us.(0:40) So great. (0:41) Awesome. (0:42) Well, I guess we’ll have to keep going from here, my friend, Zach, welcome man.(0:45) How are you? (0:46) Hey, welcome. (0:50) So what’s going on? (0:53) Lots of things are going on. (0:55) Ross Albrecht is free.(0:57) He actually did it. (0:59) Yes. (0:59) Can you believe that? (1:01) I’m ecstatic on that one.(1:03) I am. (1:04) I am too. (1:05) So let’s start with that.(1:07) So first of all, today is just, we threw this together. (1:10) We heard that Rex going to have some surgery. (1:12) We heard that he’s going to be under the knife and he’s going to have some stuff happen.(1:17) That guy, look, whether you agree with his mind or not, the guy has a brilliant mind. (1:23) He’s written like 12 books and I don’t think the guy is incapable of changing his mind (1:29) considering he was a Marxist. (1:30) So I think if we, brilliant ideas need to be expressed.(1:35) You know what I mean? (1:35) The more, that’s the diversity that I think we need in this world is the ideas, right? (1:41) I mean, he could change his mind. (1:44) I mean, he did go from a Marxist to a libertarian. (1:47) So he’s definitely- (1:48) Right.(1:48) That’s what I’m saying. (1:48) He’s capable of that. (1:49) So we want those ideas, right? (1:51) Because maybe he can give us a nugget of something that we’re missing that’s a little piece of (1:55) something else.(1:55) Right? (1:55) So what’s happened is it’s been great because how I heard about this is Chase Oliver, (2:00) puts out a tweet and speaks at REC Law. (2:02) Now REC and Chase were opponents for the position for president and Chase won. (2:09) Hey, look, outside of all that politics stuff, we don’t wish harm on anyone.(2:15) It was a beautiful message that Chase did. (2:17) So I thought we’d throw this together and I have Dr. REC Law’s give, send, go up top (2:23) there. (2:23) So feel free.(2:24) If you have a couple of bucks and want to donate, that’d be awesome. (2:27) There’s already 10 people on here. (2:29) So jump on the chat, ask us questions because we have no idea what we’re talking about, (2:33) but we’re going to start with Ross, right? (2:36) We’re winging it, my friend.(2:37) We’re going to start with Ross. (2:38) Oh yeah. (2:39) So man, you’ve been a libertarian probably way longer than I have in actual thought.(2:45) I probably always flirted with it, but man, you’re deep and wide. (2:49) So how long have you known about Ross? (2:51) What are your thoughts? (2:53) What’s going through your head, man? (2:55) I pretty much knew a little bit about Ross and his case and everything, honestly, just (3:03) because of the crypto, mostly my buddy, Andrew, who we host a pod with. (3:08) That’s how I pretty much learned about Ross and the fact that he spent like a decade in (3:15) prison with two life sentences for building a marketplace, there’s a lot going deeper (3:24) into that.(3:27) As far as libertarianism, I don’t really consider myself a libertarian, actually. (3:34) I’m just a straight up anarchist. (3:36) I went from, honestly, when I was a kid, I probably, like a teenager, me and my buddy (3:42) would draw swastikas and SS bolts on our hands, give ourselves some handmade tattoos.(3:52) I was into the Nazi occult, dude. (3:56) I didn’t care. (3:57) I didn’t care about life.(3:58) I didn’t care about other people. (4:00) I was straight up- Like a Nazi goth. (4:04) I was basically a Nazi goth without the goth.(4:09) I was just straight up an outcast. (4:11) But libertarianism though, probably I learned about Ron Paul in 2009, 2010, ended up reading (4:24) probably somewhere on my bookshelf, somewhere. (4:26) I don’t know where.(4:28) It’s hidden at this point. (4:28) How many books do you have, right? (4:31) Exactly, way too many. (4:32) But yeah, I read In the Fed and then that got me on the Murray Rothbard.(4:40) And then Andrew ended up linking me up with Lysander Spooner. (4:46) And I started looking more into Lysander Spooner. (4:49) I’m like, hold on.(4:51) I think I gravitate more to Lysander than anybody. (4:56) And that was basically my journey right there. (5:00) Within the last couple of years, I’ve learned a little bit more of like agorism, Samuel (5:05) Edward Konkin, his agorist theory, his new libertarian manifesto or left libertarian, (5:12) as he likes to refer to himself as.(5:15) And I’ve really looked into myself on that and saying, hold up. (5:21) I sold drugs. (5:23) I’ve done drugs.(5:24) I’ve ran that street life. (5:26) I was an agorist before I knew what agorism is. (5:28) Because that’s basically agorism to a T on the negative effect.(5:32) So back to Ross, that’s effectively what Ross Albrecht did with Silk Road, was he created (5:42) a marketplace using the TOR network that allowed for a voluntary exchange of all sorts of goods (5:53) across it. (5:53) It wasn’t just drugs. (5:55) And that was just the notorious part.(6:00) So he created a marketplace that undercut the government and he went down hard for it. (6:07) Now, as far as like the other allegations with the supposed hit. (6:14) Kind of sounds more like it was a sting operation to take him down.(6:19) And it wouldn’t sound like they tried to pile some stuff up, right? (6:23) Like whether the guys that he was talking about were bots or informants or just straight (6:29) feds in general. (6:31) That’s another story. (6:32) But, and that’s, I mean, we could go on that for days.(6:36) Yeah, well, that’s the thing, man. (6:37) I shared that weird, there’s a cool thing. (6:40) Victoria Skousen and Mark Skousen at Freedom Fest.(6:44) Lynn Ross’s mother has been at Freedom Fest all these years and I happened to go this year (6:48) or last year, 2024. (6:50) I met her. (6:51) I bumped into her outside and I’m like, excuse me.(6:55) Are you, are you, are you Lynn? (6:57) Like, I didn’t know how, I didn’t know what to do. (6:59) Cause like, there’s like famous people, but there’s like famous people who like look, (7:05) seek fame. (7:05) And then there are famous people who have it like thrust upon them.(7:09) And I think she’s just loves her son and she got, she’s an act, she’s active. (7:13) So she got fame thrust upon her. (7:15) So like I asked her for a hug.(7:17) So I, she gave me a hug and I did not ask for a selfie. (7:19) Cause like, I just, it just felt so out of place. (7:22) You know what I mean? (7:23) Like, cause it’s, it wasn’t about that.(7:24) It was just about seeing her and like getting her story from her was this really beautiful (7:30) moment. (7:31) And now that we might be able to see them together at the next one would be pretty cool. (7:36) That’ll be awesome.(7:38) Yeah. (7:39) And I’m going to share this, this documentary that they did. (7:43) It’s on YouTube in Spanish, but you can pay for it.(7:45) This one has Spanish subtitles, but it is, uh, it was something about the deep state. (7:50) It’s about Ross’s thing. (7:51) And I shared it with you guys in the thing.(7:52) I didn’t know if you had a chance to watch it yet, but it is, it dissects it where they (7:58) basically throw all these charges at them. (8:00) They use these extra charges to hold them in prison. (8:04) And then they drop those charges right before they actually start the process.(8:09) It’s like, well, why was he held in prison for these things that you’re not even going (8:12) to charge them for, you know? (8:13) Just the crazy shenanigans that went about it. (8:17) I mean, so for people who don’t know the guy basically built an Amazon, but only built (8:23) the site. (8:24) So let people talk to each other and, and trade goods services.(8:29) Yes. (8:29) Things outside the government control. (8:32) Yes.(8:32) Probably not the best thing for everybody. (8:36) Whatever. (8:37) There was, there was one thing, one rule on it though, that could not be traded amongst (8:43) the marketplace.(8:45) Child porn, as much as everybody wants to go to the, well, that was being traded. (8:49) Now that was not on that marketplace. (8:52) It was, it was the only illicit things would be like drugs, guns, probably some prostitutes, (8:59) but that’s consenting adult sex stuff.(9:01) That’s not child pornography. (9:03) But that was where he was. (9:05) And if it’s a one-on-one and, and like end to end, like sex work, like individual sex (9:10) work, totally.(9:11) That’s consenting adults making a deal for a service. (9:15) Yeah. (9:15) Totally with you.(9:16) I think that one guy like the printed guns, right. (9:18) He sold like a bunch of like 3D printed guns was one. (9:21) And so, yeah.(9:22) So, but basically what, what happens is this, we are grown up under this guise of government (9:30) and we have a department of education and they tell us how it, how it is. (9:35) And until you look, it’s only how they tell you it is when you actually realize that it’s (9:43) nothing like what they tell you it is. (9:45) If you just open your eyes, followed a little bit of, you know, took a little different (9:49) path, you’d find a very different life for you, you know? (9:53) And, uh, to watch this happen is like, everybody’s like, oh, well he sold drugs.(9:58) And you’re like, and someone took them. (10:02) Yeah, exactly. (10:04) Like, and theoretically he wasn’t the one that did it.(10:07) He wasn’t selling the drug. (10:08) He just created the marketplace that people, other people were selling the drugs. (10:14) So what? (10:15) And he got two, two life sentences plus 40 years, two life sentences plus 40 years for (10:21) this.(10:21) And you’re sitting there going, now you don’t need to know who this guy is, but you’re like, (10:25) if we took an American citizen who created a website that other people did other stuff (10:30) on that you don’t agree with, how much punishment should that guy get for creating the thing? (10:37) Like, I don’t blame Ford for a drive-by shooting, nor do I blame the gun manufacturer for the (10:43) drive-by shooting, right? (10:44) Like I don’t blame Goodyear for the tires that were used in the, uh, parade, the guy (10:50) who drove through the parade. (10:52) You know what I mean? (10:52) These are ridiculous things that are happening. (10:56) So that’s like, that’s, that’s like the, the bullshit rhetoric now that gun manufacturers (11:02) have to be held liable because somebody committed a mass shooting.(11:06) It’s like, no, they’re not. (11:09) It’s there. (11:11) Okay.(11:11) Sure. (11:12) Gun is used. (11:15) No, the actions of one did not be the consequence of another.(11:21) Yeah, it’s, it’s so crazy how they jump that. (11:23) And it’s like, I’ll, I’ll be honest with you. (11:25) Like I come from the neocon side.(11:26) So growing up, you know, believed in government, America was good, you know, and I look, I (11:33) still think America is the greatest country. (11:35) So we can, we were able to speak against it. (11:38) Like just that ability right now for us to talk pretty freely.(11:43) It’s not free, we know, but it’s pretty darn decent that we get to kind of vent the valve (11:48) a little bit. (11:49) Right. (11:50) So, I mean, I, I just grew up like that and I just thought law and order was the way it (11:54) goes.(11:54) Like someone like yourself, if I grew up, like I would be like offended and like, I’ll be (11:59) honest, disgusted by a druggy. (12:01) It just wasn’t a thing that we did. (12:03) You know what I mean? (12:03) We were staying up strong people so wrong, such a wrong way to see the world.(12:08) Cause it was so narrow and you, it, it got, it got great as I got older, you know what (12:14) I mean? (12:14) And that was a beautiful thing. (12:15) I started getting color and shade and you start meeting people that are nothing like (12:21) you that are at the same place you are in life, just in a totally different way. (12:26) And what’s wrong with that? (12:29) You know, I started to realize like there’s not one way to live.(12:34) Now, I mean, I, uh, I just like testing the waters and the rebel. (12:38) I was just a little, uh, I was, I was a good kid up until I was like 12. (12:43) And then all of a sudden I just went, I went a different path.(12:47) And then by the time I got into high school, my dad ended up becoming a full-time prosecutor. (12:52) And then that’s when I was starting to get really deep into the street stuff. (12:55) So I was a rebel.(12:57) My dad was a, was a prosecutor and I still, yeah. (13:01) And I still had a little bit of a blowback. (13:03) You did, you’re like a little Ron Paul blowback to your dad being a prosecutor.(13:07) And a little bit, I think part of it, other things with my, with my dad, probably just (13:12) I was raised effectively by a single mother. (13:16) My dad was there. (13:18) It’s not like I didn’t have both my parents.(13:20) I did have both my parents, but he was never really in the picture. (13:22) So part of that was probably just rebelling on the fact that I just had mom really. (13:29) So, yeah.(13:30) Yeah. (13:30) So, so I, I never heard this story about you. (13:33) So let, let’s get into your origin story, man.(13:35) It sounds fascinating to me. (13:37) So you’re, you’re straight narrow kid. (13:39) You hit this puberty part where you rebel.(13:42) How bad did it get? (13:44) How bad would you say it got? (13:45) Like any stories where you got away with like something you could have died or something, (13:49) just thinking you look back and go, man, how did I, how am I here? (13:53) I mean, about the only thing I could say that I don’t remember is one time I fell asleep. (13:59) We were shit face drunk and high. (14:02) And I fell asleep in the shotgun of my own van.(14:05) And I woke up at like three o’clock and I’m like, what the hell? (14:09) What, where are we? (14:10) Why am I? (14:10) I look out, I’m like, why am I at Kyle’s? (14:13) What? (14:14) And find out I basically passed out. (14:18) Just messed up. (14:20) There was a funny story where I guess I, I don’t know, but I, I don’t even remember that night.(14:27) I was so trashed, but yeah, that was, there wasn’t anything, anything that I actually (14:35) got into a danger mode, but I have been in other situations where (14:40) me and my buddies did have to save and make sure that we got a couple of our friends to (14:48) the hospital or at least to their parents so they could get to the hospital because of an overdose. (14:53) So I’ve had a couple of incidents where we actually had some, one of our friends ended (14:57) up overdosing on us. (14:59) So luckily it wasn’t anything at that point, like strong, like heroin, but it was like (15:05) when we were like really, really young.(15:07) And then for the most part, just pretty much got deeper and deeper, but as, as deeper as, (15:15) as like me and like, I still got my, I got a best friend named Zach as well. (15:20) We’ve been ride or die forever. (15:22) Me and him, the deeper, yeah, the deeper that we went in and got even worse than the drugs, (15:28) the smarter we became to where we didn’t put ourselves into a situation.(15:32) Cause like we got busted, he get, well, he get really got bad into it. (15:37) He got bad at heroin. (15:39) I was a big oxy head and we just basically hustled and we didn’t steal.(15:45) We actually, one thing that we made sure we didn’t do, like it was like against our path (15:50) to steal unless there was like another junkie, but I mean, it was, yeah, (15:58) check this out. (15:59) You’re, you’re talking about heroin and oxy. (16:01) Uh, I just pulled this up cause I didn’t, once again, like we’re doing this impromptu (16:04) and I want to, I want to get back to your story for sure, but check this out.(16:07) I’m going to share the screen real quick cause it’s a new, uh, I pulled up AP and Reuters, (16:12) you know, how they like talking about stuff and check this out. (16:17) It looks like, which one is it? (16:19) Is this the one? (16:20) There it is. (16:22) All right, there we go.(16:25) So Purdue, uh, Purdue pharma, right? (16:28) That’s the one who, the Sackler family, they’re the ones who started the whole oxy thing. (16:34) Oh, uh, the owners are to pay $7.4 billion in settlement, which I’m sure it will get (16:39) deferred or something like that. (16:40) But there it is, man.(16:42) So, so did you, you got caught up in, in, in part of this? (16:46) I mean, for real, like, is this what your neighborhood or your child, like kind of (16:50) your neighborhood was like, I’m different. (16:52) Cause like most people, you know how they go, they jump into it cause they get prescribed (16:58) and then they get addicted. (17:00) And like, again, it like grows on it, but you were just a kid who started.(17:03) Me, I was just a kid that just started. (17:05) Actually, the first time I ever did drugs in my life, I, uh, I started, uh, popping (17:09) Xanax at the age of 15. (17:12) First time I smoked a joint, I was 18.(17:14) I went, I, so the gateway drug thing, marijuana, the big drugs, that’s false. (17:20) Yeah, it’s a false thing. (17:21) I can tell you 100% that’s false.(17:25) 100% I can tell you right now that that’s false. (17:31) So, so, okay. (17:32) So you rebelled, you had some close calls, you had a friend OD, but they got through.(17:38) So where did you go? (17:44) Okay, man, I’m, I’m, I’m a little bit off course. (17:47) I got to straighten this shit out. (17:49) I mean, where I should have woke up was well, a little bit, I woke up kind of, but really (17:54) I didn’t because I, uh, at 19, I’ve gotten some trouble.(17:58) Luckily, just like misdemeanor stuff, wasn’t getting in trouble with the hard stuff, but (18:05) I went to jail. (18:06) And from that point on, I basically told myself I ain’t never going back to jail, but (18:12) I got deeper into becoming an addict, uh, after I got off PO and got out of all that. (18:19) And I still kept on doing stupid, being a stupid little druggy.(18:26) So we’re all stupid little druggies at some point. (18:29) Exactly. (18:30) Everybody’s got a drug, whatever it is.(18:33) We all got a vice. (18:34) We’re a slave to it in some weird way. (18:36) We just got to catch it and manage it.(18:38) Right. (18:38) So I’m with you, man. (18:39) I’m with you.(18:40) Yeah. (18:41) But let’s give a little grace here to people. (18:43) Cause it kind of disappoint is like, we can’t, we can’t be all hardcore on this.(18:47) This is like crazy. (18:47) This is real talk. (18:48) These are people learning.(18:50) It’s a health thing. (18:52) It’s actual health, you know? (18:53) It is, it is. (18:55) And I mean, I say that it made me a little smarter though, because like I didn’t, I, (19:02) I never got busted ever again.(19:04) And, uh, but the, the time that I kind of changed was like me and my buddy were going, (19:10) uh, he actually was about to go into work. (19:14) I actually just got off my job. (19:17) We wanted to go score some dough and, uh, he was really feeling on like dope dope.(19:23) And, uh, I never actually had done dope. (19:26) Um, so we ran, we actually ran up to the city. (19:30) He called him, he called up his dude.(19:32) And, uh, we went to, we went to Avondale over to Cincinnati from our little enclave and (19:39) Suburban, Indiana. (19:41) And, uh, we got some dough and, uh, soon as we’re on our way to, for me to go drop (19:47) him off at work, he breaks it out. (19:49) He’s like, you want to get, you want to get to try some of this? (19:52) I’m like, I probably shouldn’t.(19:54) I don’t really want to. (19:56) Cause I’m like me, like I’m an addict, but I don’t really want to jump in. (19:59) I’m like, part of my mind was like, I really don’t want to get myself deep, deep, deeper.(20:05) Like I’m a smart addict. (20:07) Right. (20:07) I don’t know.(20:08) Yeah. (20:09) Yeah. (20:10) It’s kind of like the guy who takes, if he’s a dealer, right? (20:13) Like you don’t take your own product, but like at some point you go, I can manage it (20:18) maybe.(20:18) Or there’s that one little hesitation, which I can imagine you must get that, especially (20:23) with your friend. (20:24) Like, exactly. (20:25) Like, you know what I mean? (20:26) The kid you trust the most is like here, bud, you know, I get that.(20:30) Yeah. (20:30) But eventually I’m like, you know what? (20:32) Fuck it. (20:33) And, uh, I do a little bump.(20:35) I do a little bump of, uh, of a tense, uh, of heroin and we drive to his work. (20:41) He ends up being late ends up realizing he forgot. (20:44) And he’s by this point we’re hired and shit.(20:47) Um, he realized that he forgets his, his badge that, you know, that he needed cause he worked (20:54) at Amazon. (20:54) So you need that. (20:55) And, uh, so he had to call his mom and let her.(20:58) And, uh, so he tells her, tells her to meet him down there. (21:04) We, we pull up, he, she’s already there. (21:08) Basically she found out and she knew, like, she already knew, like we went up to the city (21:13) to go get dope.(21:14) Luckily to this day, I don’t think she knows that it was heroin, but, uh, but what happened (21:21) was like, yeah, or pills or something. (21:25) But, uh, she, uh, from that point, I think it was, she thought it was like pills. (21:31) Cause by that point, like he, his mom looked at him and she was pissed the next day.(21:38) She made sure that his ass went straight to the methadone clinic, which by this point (21:42) we’re 35. (21:43) So that was like 15 years ago. (21:46) He’s probably one of the most successful methadone clinic patients ever.(21:49) Like he’s on, he hasn’t done anything. (21:52) He, if he’s still, I think, I don’t think he’s going anymore, but he was on the lowest (21:56) dose, like within five years, he was on the lowest dose. (21:59) And so, but he’s probably one of the few that actually is successful with that program.(22:06) Cause really it’s just the government’s drug pusher. (22:09) That’s really all methadone is. (22:11) And I looked at, it’s like a pharmaceutical company’s replacement.(22:16) Like oxy was a pharmaceutical company’s replacement of heroin. (22:20) Yup. (22:21) Yup.(22:23) So, so I looked, I took that. (22:26) I’m like, Oh shoot. (22:28) This was like the next day when he texts me up and tells me that it’s like, this shit (22:33) just got real.(22:34) This might get real. (22:35) So I pretty much kind of looked him back in my mind. (22:38) Cause back in my mind, I really was, I was already thinking, I’m like, I need to get (22:42) out of this.(22:43) Like, I need to stop. (22:45) So you had voices already calling. (22:47) I already had voice.(22:48) Yeah. (22:49) You’re out of prison. (22:51) You’re still having a challenge in life.(22:53) It’s not going a hundred percent and you’re not getting out of it, even though you’re getting (22:57) more. (22:58) Well, it is, it is wiser in a weird way. (23:01) Cause it’s the experience.(23:02) Like, you know what I mean? (23:04) Like you, you grow to learn these things. (23:07) Cause like, it’s not like you can learn that in a book. (23:10) You learn managing your self-regulation can’t be done by reading someone’s text about how (23:16) to do it.(23:17) You know what I mean? (23:18) Like you kind of got it. (23:19) It’s a trial by fire. (23:22) So, yeah.(23:23) And like, honestly, like back of my mind, like I honestly, from this point on, like (23:28) reason why I always wear this is like, God was, I think God was constantly talking and (23:34) telling me like, no, this is, this is not what your life is about. (23:37) Like, this is your, you’re meant for something. (23:39) Like you always got to find, like, whether you’re religious or not, there’s always, there’s (23:44) always something that pulls us.(23:45) Like there’s some, you’re meant for this life. (23:48) There’s something that there’s a goal that you got to hit before you’re done. (23:52) So what is that goal? (23:54) You got to figure that out.(23:55) So basically from that point on, he’s going to the methadone clinic, he’s getting clean. (24:02) He’s going the hard route, being forced to go that direction. (24:07) And me, I just like, I called, called Turkey, uh, just stopped doing pills, stopped doing (24:12) everything.(24:13) I went through my little withdrawal stage and like, from there, months later, I’m like (24:20) clean as a whistle. (24:21) Like, I didn’t even smoke weed anymore. (24:23) Like, I don’t think, I think the last time I, well, yeah, last time I smoked weed was (24:28) probably like at the age of like 25.(24:30) And that was just, dude, uh, dude just came back from Colorado when they just passed the, (24:36) made it legal. (24:37) And he had some really fun, like, you know what? (24:40) I am going to try that. (24:41) And you do know, you know, it’s not a gateway.(24:45) You’re kind of like, you already had that experience. (24:47) It’s not like it drew you in anything heavier. (24:49) It was the heavy stuff that drew you in heavier stuff, not the light stuff.(24:53) Yeah. (24:53) So like I, I had my little, my little incense where like everybody relapses. (24:59) I did heroin a second time.(25:01) I mean, tell me about that experience. (25:04) Cause what I hear is people where people really make that like a live and die mistake is they (25:11) get off the drug and then they, the first time they take it is like the dosage that (25:17) they did when they got off it. (25:18) Not like a starter dosage again.(25:21) Did you have that experience yourself? (25:23) Or did you like, how, how did that work for you? (25:26) I didn’t have that experience actually. (25:28) And I think it was probably cause it was like, well, it was probably like months, months, (25:32) maybe even like a year after. (25:34) So, I mean, and it wasn’t like bunk.(25:37) It wasn’t bunk anything with like, it was straight fire. (25:41) Like I, the people I knew like could get fire stuff. (25:45) Like there was, it wasn’t cut with anything.(25:49) Bullshit that, I mean, that’s what kills you. (25:52) But, uh, like the story thing is funny. (25:55) Like we, we talk about that thing with Ross, right? (25:57) Like the alcohol prohibition, first of all, you’re making it in your bathtub.(26:02) Where’s the rate, where’s any quality control there. (26:06) And then in addition to that America, the, the government’s poisoning alcohol (26:10) to get you to stop drinking it. (26:15) Like, you know, there, the, the cream rises to the top.(26:19) Somebody who’s, who sells a horrible product is not going to be able to do it. (26:23) They’re just not, you know what I mean? (26:25) It won’t let them the whole way the review system works. (26:28) I mean, think about it.(26:29) It was like, it was brilliant in that, you know, please continue. (26:34) So we’re, we’re, we’re, we’re on a, doing a rectum walled fundraiser today. (26:37) Gibson go is at the bottom right there.(26:39) Check it out. (26:40) Meanwhile, we got Zach and I’m giving Zach the rundown. (26:43) I’m trying to shake him down and get his history so I can use it against him later.(26:46) We got north of 30. (26:49) Thank you for joining. (26:50) Yeah.(26:50) I’m trying to get you a locked out. (26:52) No, I, I’m fascinated because like we have two different lives. (26:55) I mean, I knew of people who had, who lived like, or, you know, had different experiences (27:01) for sure.(27:03) But I’m, you know, I, well, hearing, hearing you go with total rollercoaster cause you, (27:11) you, you were good. (27:12) And then, then you had challenges and then you straightened out and then you got back (27:15) and then, you know, so, all right. (27:17) So, so now you got your buddy, he, he’s recovered.(27:20) You, you take, you go and try to take it again, but you’re like, nothing. (27:25) It doesn’t hook you again. (27:26) Nothing.(27:27) The sec that’s (27:28) cause I think part of the, part of the, I mean, the high was great. (27:32) Both times since I, since it was so far out, like I’m like my experience, honestly, I literally (27:38) like, I just went home and just passed out and had the best sleep of my life. (27:43) That’s my experience.(27:45) I’ve heard, I’ve heard. (27:47) It’s like a kiss from an angel. (27:49) Like I don’t want to know, but that’s what I’ve heard.(27:54) And it’s like, that sounds real tempting. (27:56) So yeah, dude, you start wondering, like, you know, the history, like the opium dens (28:02) where they’d smoke and they’d have to lay down. (28:04) Like, that’s what it feels like.(28:05) Like, holy shit. (28:06) Right. (28:06) And if it’s pure, right.(28:08) Obviously. (28:09) And obviously by a lot, like not GMO, not like chemicalized. (28:12) Right.(28:13) I mean, it’s, it’s pretty crazy. (28:16) Or not. (28:17) So, okay.(28:17) So, so you get, so you’re, you’re, you’re clean and you’re, do you mind if I ask how (28:23) old you are now? (28:24) Oh, I’ll be 36 in May. (28:27) 36. (28:28) So I’m almost 36.(28:29) So yeah. (28:31) Almost 36. (28:32) Dude, I’m 50, man.(28:35) That’s not old. (28:38) When you wake up in the morning, it feels old. (28:41) I’m saying it’s not old now.(28:43) And then I’ll turn 50. (28:44) I’m like, I’m old, man. (28:48) Tell me about your neighborhood, man.(28:49) So are you in the same area that you grew up with? (28:53) Grew up in? (28:53) I live further out, closer to the country now. (28:57) So where I lived, it was a typical run of the mill suburbia is where I grew up. (29:05) Nothing, nothing special.(29:06) Did you say suburbia of Cincinnati or which, which city? (29:08) Outside of Cincinnati. (29:10) Like. (29:10) Okay.(29:11) Cause I was filled out. (29:11) A town called Greendell. (29:13) So.(29:14) Okay, very cool. (29:14) Yeah. (29:14) I mean, nothing special.(29:16) I mean. (29:17) One of my favorite movies is Airborne, if you could believe it. (29:21) Do you know which one? (29:22) Movies.(29:23) One of my favorite movies is Air Bud. (29:27) Air Bud, the dog. (29:31) You know, you know the movie.(29:32) I’m trying to think Airborne. (29:34) Actually, I should know that movie. (29:35) I’m such a, at one point I was such a connoisseur.(29:41) It’s a Rollerblade movie that has Seth Green in it. (29:45) And Jack Black, I’ll send it to you. (29:48) Dude, dude, let’s do that.(29:49) We’ll do a discord. (29:50) We’ll watch it together. (29:51) You will love it.(29:52) It’s like all about Cincinnati. (29:54) And you’d probably be like, oh my God, I know that place. (29:56) Oh my God.(29:57) I know that place. (29:58) Probably. (29:58) Yeah.(29:59) There’s a lot of movies that have been done in Cincinnati, actually. (30:03) Kind of cool. (30:05) Yeah, it’s pretty cool.(30:07) It’s like a premier location for a lot of filmmakers to go. (30:11) So I know Emilio Estevez loves the town and he just did. (30:17) What was it called? (30:19) He was like a few years ago.(30:20) I forget what the movie’s called, but he was down here filming a movie in Cincinnati. (30:26) Very cool. (30:26) But I’m a big Emilio Estevez fan.(30:29) Men at Work is one of my favorite movies, man. (30:31) Hilarious. (30:32) That’s great.(30:35) But yeah, and I think his favorite neighborhood is Over the Rhine, which is spectacular. (30:42) The way that they’ve actually developed it, it’s pretty nice now. (30:46) It’s just a little too yuppie to my taste, I guess.(30:52) And then you go deeper into it. (30:55) You walk down Vine Street from downtown into Over the Rhine. (31:01) You get into Over the Rhine on Vine Street.(31:04) It’s all bars and shops and restaurants. (31:07) Then you get onto the other side of Vine Street and it’s all abandoned buildings and sketchy (31:13) and you’ll probably get mugged around the corner. (31:16) It’s kind of like, have you been to Austin? (31:19) I’ve never been to Austin.(31:21) Okay, so I was lucky to go. (31:24) I just went for my birthday. (31:25) I’m like, you know what? (31:25) I’m just going to go.(31:26) I went by myself for a few days. (31:27) I went to see Rogan’s Club and stuff. (31:30) You just walk down Austin on Sixth Street.(31:32) It’s like that. (31:32) It’s like weird buildings and then empty, burned out places. (31:36) You’re like, what? (31:37) How did this? (31:38) How does this kind of coincide? (31:42) But that’s what revitalization is.(31:43) Same thing happened in Philadelphia too. (31:48) All right, man. (31:49) So I remember spending a night at my aunt and my cousin’s one year when I was like seven.(31:59) While we were there, there was a building down the street on Dane Avenue in the north side (32:07) neighborhood of Cincinnati where she lives. (32:09) Just down the street, got torched. (32:11) A day or two later on the news, they discovered a body in the remains of some girl.(32:20) I guess she got raped and murdered and then they burned the place down. (32:24) It wasn’t even but just down the street from where my aunt still lives, actually. (32:30) I just remember my mom, she basically just said, (32:34) you’re not staying over there anymore.(32:36) You’re not going to go spend the night over there anytime soon. (32:42) That’s scary, man. (32:44) Yeah, that was like, I don’t know.(32:47) I was like seven. (32:48) So I guess 1996 or I don’t remember. (32:54) So, okay.(32:55) So you’re this anarchist, druggy, ex-druggy. (33:00) And then now you’re a crypto bro. (33:04) I’m not really a crypto bro, but.(33:06) I know, I know. (33:07) I have, like I said, I have like 0.0002 Bitcoin or something. (33:14) I’m so behind on any technology, but you got this show with Andrew.(33:19) So tell us a little bit about your show. (33:21) Might as well make this a full interview, man. (33:22) Tell us a little bit about your show, what you guys talk about and how you got into that.(33:28) Honestly, we were just bored. (33:30) We figured, let’s try it. (33:31) And I learned about Anchor.(33:36) Now, I think it’s called, what is it? (33:39) Like podcasters, podcasters for Spotify or creators for Spotify now. (33:44) They’ve rebranded so much in like such a short time. (33:47) But we literally just started, we would just record off the app on our phones and just talk.(33:56) And we went over like a bunch of things, politics. (34:00) I think we actually, there was one episode that’s in our library. (34:05) I need to just bring that out of the crypt.(34:08) But it’s because there’s a movie called Iksa Iksa. (34:12) It’s a German film. (34:14) And it’s basically about two twin boys and their mother is going through some things.(34:23) And it’s a really good movie actually. (34:25) But basically an accident occurs. (34:29) I don’t want to spoil the whole movie because I want you to know.(34:32) No, please don’t. (34:32) But something happened. (34:34) But something happens at the beginning where the two boys are playing.(34:37) Then one of the boys goes into this cave, this little cavern looking thing. (34:43) And doesn’t come out. (34:45) You just hear the voice and then it goes into the movie.(34:48) And the mother has her issues. (34:51) And there’s like a struggle between son and mom. (34:56) And so, I mean, it’s really interesting.(35:00) I don’t really want to talk. (35:02) If I say more. (35:03) It’s called Iksa Iksa Iksa? (35:06) Iksa Iksa.(35:08) You’ll have to put that in the comments. (35:10) I want to hear it. (35:11) I want to see it.(35:11) Oh man, that’s cool. (35:13) All right. (35:16) So you guys just started recording just out of the blue on your app, your phone.(35:20) Like so different from me, man. (35:22) I’m like one of these overpreparers. (35:24) And I it took me actually like two years.(35:27) Like I built like that soundproofing behind me. (35:30) I built like four or five of these panels. (35:32) I built like all the stuff.(35:33) I bought the equipment. (35:34) Then I upgraded my equipment before I even recorded my first podcast. (35:37) It’s like how backward delusional I was.(35:41) Like like the way I did it because I’m one of these weird tech people. (35:45) So like I love technology. (35:46) So like any excuse to buy stuff, right? (35:49) Like electronics.(35:50) Exactly. (35:51) So so it took me years to even get started. (35:53) But it’s so cool.(35:55) Like you and your buddy, you’re like, you know what? (35:56) There’s so many different ways how we got into that. (35:58) Totally different. (36:00) Different styles, you know? (36:01) Well, that’s that’s what’s kind of nice about it.(36:03) Now is you can you can use just anything. (36:06) You don’t even have to have a mic really anymore. (36:08) Like you can just talk.(36:11) So yeah, it is pretty cool. (36:13) I mean, I love that you and I like put a little bit into it now with the setup. (36:16) You got the microphone, the headphones, obviously.(36:18) Yeah, like it took me a while to finally get set up. (36:20) I need to probably set myself up because the sound is just it’s horrible. (36:25) So I need to.(36:26) It matters. (36:27) It really does. (36:28) People do listen.(36:30) They do listen. (36:31) So all right. (36:32) I’m going to put up.(36:32) Justin is a friend of mine. (36:34) He is in Arizona and he is the best way I he and I are a lot more similar than we might (36:42) think. (36:42) But I think he’s like a couple of years behind my path.(36:46) I think he’s he’s like me, like a conservative neocon guy. (36:50) But no, I don’t want to criticize that good guy. (36:54) We’ve we’ve met.(36:55) We he actually sings Drops of Jupiter like nobody’s business, apparently, which we actually (36:59) have to have a Drops of Jupiter off. (37:01) But that’s a whole other thing. (37:04) But Justin’s a good dude.(37:05) He’s got a great question because I’ve been kind of trying to I’m here to help deprogram. (37:10) I’m not trying to to program people to think a certain way. (37:15) I’m just trying to get people to think, you know what I mean? (37:17) Like, guys, what you’re being told, just expand that.(37:21) Like, take two steps back. (37:22) Look at it from a different angle. (37:24) Look at it from a different view.(37:25) You got it. (37:26) Just it’s that’s how I am. (37:27) So my idea, I program people to deprogram.(37:31) So Justin has a great question. (37:33) How does anarchist view work? (37:35) Are there any limits or is it Darwinian survival of the fittest? (37:39) He he’s great about this because what I love about Justin is (37:44) he like law and order. (37:45) We are law and order, guys.(37:48) What was it? (37:48) Steve Smith just did one. (37:49) What do you call this? (37:50) Right wing liberals. (37:52) Isn’t that Rothbard? (37:53) Right.(37:55) Something like that. (37:56) I think I ran called us right wing hippies. (37:59) And you’re like, holy crap.(38:01) Right wing hippie sounds exactly like an oxymoron word for what we are. (38:07) Because it’s like I think we live our life very conservatively. (38:10) I think we have to have values and accountability and responsibility with everything we do.(38:15) That’s pretty right wing, I guess, or whatever. (38:17) But then we’re also hippies in the way it’s like we allow you to be to be that person, (38:22) to be that way for yourself. (38:24) So share with me the anarchist view for Justin, because I’m not as well versus you.(38:31) I’m going to sound like Michael Malice on this one, but I love I love how he says it. (38:36) I love how he says it, though, because he’s on point. (38:41) Anarchy is literally relationship.(38:44) You build a relationship like me and you, Mark. (38:48) We’re in we’re in a relationship right now. (38:51) This is anarchy.(38:52) I don’t have authority over you and you don’t have authority over me. (38:56) And we’re just having a conversation. (38:58) You’re conducting it a little bit more because this is your show.(39:01) You have a little bit more authority just on the basis of how you want things to be (39:07) around a little bit, because this is your theoretically your property. (39:12) Right. (39:12) And at the same point, you consented to that by agreeing to have the conversation.(39:16) Exactly. (39:18) So that is part of the relationship. (39:20) So like the definition of anarchy, though, comes from the Greek prefix.(39:30) Anos, which means without and the suffix archaea, which means rulers. (39:39) Not not no rules, but without rulers. (39:43) So you yourself are a ruler.(39:47) You rule yourself, not to say that you can’t have a leadership. (39:51) I mean, there I mean, why not? (39:52) I mean, I’m not against I’m not against if if if you can set up a society or a community (39:59) that has a leadership that’s limited in its governance, it’s broad, it’s broad scope of (40:06) governance and it works. (40:08) Why not? (40:10) If it works, it works.(40:12) So there can be like so that’s all anarchy really is. (40:15) It’s just relationship building, being voluntary with one another and respecting each other. (40:23) Really? (40:24) I mean, that’s the real view of anarchism.(40:29) And what would be that? (40:32) Yeah, like it is a relationship. (40:33) And so so this is the thing I I try to say it this way and like where Justin and I are (40:39) really gotten connected actually through Facebook and we just got connected on there. (40:45) And we know that the Twitter crowd and the Facebook crowd are two completely different (40:51) crowds.(40:52) And I it’s my opinion that the Facebook crowd’s like, I like government when it does what (40:59) I want it to do. (41:01) And you’re like, OK, and that’s like that’s a valid argument. (41:05) Like everyone likes the government that does what kind of that works with them.(41:10) OK, sure. (41:11) The problem is that’s not how it stays, right? (41:15) Like the thing changes. (41:16) So it’s like we take a step back and go, why am I giving anyone power to wield one way (41:23) or another for good? (41:24) Because you’re good isn’t my good necessarily.(41:28) I can assure you that the suburbs of Cincinnati were way different, have different needs than (41:33) where you’re living right now, which is a little bit more on the outskirts of Cincinnati, right? (41:37) Like in a more rural area. (41:38) So all these points being said, it’s like it’s like the government for for government (41:45) to be able to get to do something for you. (41:48) It also gives them the power to do something to you.(41:52) And we’re just trying to untangle that part, right? (41:55) Like it’s like like up. (41:58) Should we get rid of illegals who have been violent committers of crime? (42:03) That sounds really good on paper. (42:05) Yeah, 100%.(42:07) Now, how do you do it now? (42:09) Implement it right now. (42:10) Implement that. (42:11) Oh, you’re going to bust down my door.(42:14) You’re going to violate my Fourth Amendment because because you’re going to do a house (42:18) to house search for these illegals. (42:20) Well, that doesn’t jive with me, you know. (42:24) So what are your thoughts on something like that? (42:25) And like when we use it in a practical sense? (42:29) Well, see, I’m from Indiana, so if the cops don’t have technically theoretically, I mean, (42:34) they’re going to fight it.(42:34) But there’s a law in Indiana that says if they don’t have a warrant, you can. (42:41) Oh, yeah. (42:43) So not to say that that’s not going to harm you in the long run.(42:52) I mean, remember, they have guns. (42:54) Well, everything, every action has consequences, right? (42:57) Exactly. (42:58) But that’s where I think we don’t really necessarily need a police unit.(43:05) I think to a certain extent, you can set up your own policing powers elsewhere. (43:13) Keep it private. (43:15) I mean, you don’t need a public one because I mean, when you get when you start going up (43:19) the level tier and creating public enforcement, that’s creating a government.(43:25) And then you have somebody’s always going to think that they have they can overpower (43:29) the others. (43:30) So why not have different vehicles for different people if they don’t like how this system, (43:37) this service works and how they run things and they can go somewhere else? (43:41) Or you can just defend yourself. (43:44) Right, and one of the things, too, is like I try to to your point, like separate governance (43:49) from government, like you can have a hierarchical structure where competency like is the wisdom (43:56) of the wise person of the tribe or whatever you want to call it.(44:00) And yeah, you have Dunbar’s number, which is a limitation. (44:04) But we now have some pretty amazing technology, which I think we can expand the Dunbar number (44:09) to maybe 10 X. (44:11) Now, that still doesn’t make it a million person city. (44:15) But why do they have to be million person civilization? (44:17) Why do why do they have to be comprised of these sizes? (44:20) We can make them smaller.(44:22) And I’ve always thought of the governance part, like because governance is is the way (44:28) we rule or the way we rule ourselves. (44:30) Right. (44:31) So police is a great example, like people talk about state police or private police (44:37) like, well, who’s beholden more to the citizens? (44:41) Someone who directly pays their paycheck.(44:45) Or through some tax system has 52 layers of protection for them to be able to enforce (44:53) laws that they have created to enforce. (44:58) Well, I mean, the best bet for public police service would be your local sheriff, because (45:06) at least you have some sort of control over the sheriff whom hires his deputies. (45:12) So if you don’t like how he’s running, then I hate to go into the notion of democracy (45:18) and voting, but because I hate it.(45:21) But you still have a say in as a community to vote that that sheriff out and you can (45:27) hold your influence over the sheriff to be constitutional rather than be a tyrannical (45:33) nut job, whereas you don’t really have that with large metropolitan and I get it. (45:39) Larger cities, you’re going to have a lot more issues, bigger police force. (45:44) So it’s just hard to regulate in a large city.(45:49) But these other jurisdictions that are outside of the county or large cities, I mean, it’s (45:59) just you don’t know exactly how they’re getting paid. (46:03) Like you said, we have a tax system that goes thick and thick as thieves, very deep, and (46:08) it’s very intrinsic. (46:10) Whereas, you know exactly where your sheriff’s getting his money, your property tax.(46:16) Right. (46:17) That’s true. (46:18) Yeah.(46:18) And to your point, I mean, from a pragmatic perspective, even as an anarchist, you could (46:23) even make arguments that you’re like, you know, some of the local elections really (46:28) directly, directly affect me and those matters. (46:32) So maybe I should. (46:33) Right.(46:33) So it’s not like we’re like, tear it all down, burn it to the ground. (46:37) We’re just saying be vigilant, right? (46:38) Exactly. (46:40) Well, there’s a there’s this girl.(46:42) Her name is Rachel Sunshine. (46:44) She is an anarchist. (46:45) She actually wrote a book before COVID called How Medical Tyranny Murdered the Constitution.(46:53) And if you go to her Facebook page, there’s a PDF. (46:57) She has it on PDF because that’s how you can get it now and download it for free and be (47:03) able to check it out and read it. (47:04) But me and Andrew had her on actually last year.(47:09) I forget exactly. (47:10) I think it was early last year, I think literally like a year ago. (47:13) And February, March.(47:17) But she actually is of the fact that local was matter. (47:21) And she’s a hardcore and like anarchist like she’ll even she’ll even say she is your Emma (47:27) Goldman style anarchist like and we’re talking Emma Goldman before she got deported to Russia. (47:34) Violent Emma Goldman, not not not peaceful.(47:39) Um, but she actually has ran locally. (47:44) I think when she was out in California, I believe I think that’s what she said. (47:48) But she’s actually ran locally as an anarchist.(47:55) Not even a political party. (47:56) She actually ran as an anarchist just to prove the point. (48:00) And so like I think political aspirations on trying to get certain single issues going (48:07) and talked about on the local level, you certainly could utilize just because you’re an anarchist (48:13) doesn’t mean you can’t be active politically.(48:17) Yeah, well, like, once again, we just keep going back to these points like the government (48:21) sounds great. (48:22) Trump wants to get rid of bad guys. (48:24) Sounds great, right? (48:25) Yeah.(48:25) Check that out, guys. (48:27) Go to Gibson. (48:28) Go gives give a couple bucks.(48:30) We’re you know, we’re having a little fun. (48:32) We’re having a fundraiser. (48:34) We’re gonna have a telethon.(48:36) We’re gonna have crazy stuff. (48:37) Juggling will be going on, but not by me. (48:40) So and we’re here to make America great again and very healthy.(48:49) That was actually good. (48:51) That’s the best. (48:53) I I’m Robert Kennedy Jr. (48:56) And I ran against the wall.(48:59) I did a debate with him and he bought the floor with me. (49:02) I would like to send him some gifts that go at the link down below. (49:10) So that’s a lot out of me.(49:12) That has to be. (49:14) I don’t know how you how you could do that one. (49:17) Was that the brain words? (49:18) Brain worm speaking? (49:20) That’s brainworm guy.(49:21) Yeah. (49:22) So you saw it. (49:24) The the files, the JFK files.(49:27) Did you see him do the sign? (49:29) I shared that link with you. (49:30) Let me see. (49:31) I think I might have a pulled up.(49:32) Let me see if I can pull it up here because it is like the coolest thing. (49:35) All right, let me let me pull this up for everybody to watch this. (49:39) We’re going to do this.(49:40) We’ll talk about it real quick because we love this so much. (49:45) All right, where are you at, Twitter? (49:49) They’re going to see our thing. (49:52) While you fix it, I’m going to answer Justin’s question here.(49:56) We all started tribal, then came and actually the religious aspect was. (50:03) Kind of mixed within the tribal and the hunter gathering stuff. (50:06) But we discovered agriculture and we started to settle because of agriculture.(50:14) And from there, we started realizing if we’re going as we began to create civilization and (50:21) urbanize, we needed other systems in place because there was going to be much more than (50:25) just agriculture. (50:27) So then as urbanization grew, that’s where you had you started rising a government structure (50:33) from bottom to top as a foundation. (50:36) And then that’s where we we just go from there.(50:38) And that’s just going basic history, looking into the ancient Sumerians and how they how (50:45) they started their civilization. (50:47) So they were the cradle of civilization for our modern sense. (50:54) And I’m going to answer that question also from a different angle.(50:57) I think people crave a hierarchical structure, not necessarily a government structure. (51:02) And it’s hard to say. (51:04) I mean, I think there’s an evolutionary there was an evolutionary benefit, obviously, to (51:08) that.(51:09) And even Jordan Peterson, I think, talks about the lobster and how it’s hierarchical. (51:13) So like we’re talking about it is deep brain evolution, this hierarchical structure, because (51:20) ultimately there is a self, right? (51:22) There’s a self survival of some sort. (51:24) So you need you want to be the top of everything.(51:27) Now, that said, culturally, we’ve done it through religions and other things, and we (51:32) really build everything on this hierarchical structure versus like a check and balance (51:38) kind of structure, right? (51:39) Where that was unique about the United States with the little three legged thing where they (51:44) kind of had a little bit of check and balance. (51:46) And the fourth was the people with with their ability to defend themselves or whatever to (51:50) a backing the freedom of speech. (51:53) So I I think that people do see a hierarchical structure, and I think it is hard to deprogram (52:01) that because I think that’s like everybody has different levels of intellect.(52:07) I would think ninety nine point nine percent have this level of intellect, and it’s hard (52:13) to break that to these other levels above that. (52:17) But everybody has this base hierarchical, and that’s why it kind of works for everybody (52:21) because it’s kind of utilitarian. (52:24) And to your point, and this is one of the book many books that I keep trying to read, (52:30) but this is about the Anunnaki connection.(52:34) And to your point on the structure of how we have that hierarchical naivety in our in (52:43) us, we need to have something. (52:45) I think it does. (52:46) It goes back to the gods.(52:49) And I’m going to go in the pick in the brain like I think if the Anunnaki, I actually do (52:55) believe the Anunnaki existed and they were another race from from far off and they created (53:03) man. (53:04) God didn’t. (53:05) God created everything else.(53:07) I’m not that’s not taking away my Christianity, but. (53:12) Something human beings and evolution and the Darwinian idea of evolution does not make (53:18) sense. (53:18) Everything else on this planet with evolution makes sense, but human beings don’t.(53:23) And I think there’s something in our DNA that has created our want for and our need for (53:31) some sort of hierarchical structure. (53:33) And I think it goes that goes back towards the Anunnaki. (53:38) But I would even yeah, well, did you did you see my podcast on Jason’s on Drop the Mask? (53:49) Which one? (53:50) Last one where like where he kind of just interviewed me, kind of like how we’re talking, (53:54) like we’re getting to know each other.(53:57) I don’t think I have yet. (53:58) I’ll have to look that up. (53:59) OK, so I’ll look that one up.(54:01) Yeah, I’ll share. (54:02) Yeah. (54:02) And just at a 50,000 foot level, I had a near death experience at 13.(54:07) And I started getting psychic visions at 40. (54:11) So I start experiencing things that happen and. (54:16) I’m you if you talk to me right now and I told you that like that doesn’t sound like (54:21) someone something that I would be able to like that, that would be me because like we’ve (54:26) had conversations that have nothing to do with any of that.(54:28) They’ve all been about reason and logic and general like stuff. (54:31) Right. (54:31) So like I struggle with what that is, and I actually struggle with religion.(54:37) And I, I absolutely understand the value 100 percent. (54:42) I think that we have it wrong. (54:44) And that’s the problem, because as a truth seeker, I’m not saying that it’s our (54:50) interpretation is not correct or we’re not being told the full story because there’s (54:54) stuff that’s being hidden once again through the church, whatever, if it is all through (54:58) the church.(54:59) I think it’s also outside the church and other stuff. (55:03) But yeah, I’d ask you to check out that podcast. (55:05) But remember when I told you I did my run of like 12 podcasts, one on the it’s actually (55:12) on the UFO Chronicles podcast.(55:14) So I did like an hour and a half with them. (55:17) That should be coming out like mid February or something. (55:20) So I’ll let everybody know when that’s out.(55:21) Like to your point, you’re talking about and it’s like you and I could probably have (55:25) some I don’t want to get too far off the rails. (55:27) We should have a separate podcast about that, probably because we’re talking about actual (55:31) real things like get making wrecking ball better. (55:33) Where’s that? (55:34) Where’s that link at? (55:35) Let’s see.(55:36) Where’s he at? (55:37) No, that’s not it. (55:39) All right. (55:39) There it is.(55:40) All right. (55:40) So make sure that happens down there, everybody. (55:42) So I really want to tell you, but I think you’re Anunnaki things right to an extent.(55:47) Like it could be the evolution just from the base of all creation has that hierarchical (55:53) structure worked its way up into multi celled organisms. (55:57) But and I think we’re going to table it in a second because we might go off the rails. (56:01) But are you one of those like they dipped into the DNA and made us jump? (56:06) Oh, yeah.(56:07) Huge evolution. (56:08) OK, so with that, I think they put like a slave DNA hierarchical structure in that as (56:14) well, like as an added judge. (56:17) Yeah.(56:18) OK, so yeah, that’s exactly what that would be good for you. (56:22) The Anunnaki came to this planet. (56:26) They discovered our cousins and realized we were sick and tired.(56:32) We don’t really want to mine our own our own gold. (56:36) But the simple part of the story, I’m not going to go detail, but they came to this (56:43) planet seeking. (56:45) They kind of just ran into it.(56:46) I mean, Nibiru, the home planet, is on a 3600 year site orbit, but they they needed (56:56) their atmosphere was failed. (56:57) Like I believe their atmosphere was failing because of they were in a war and their enemies (57:04) used a planetary like destruction, like a planetary weapon, sort of like the Death Star. (57:13) And so their atmosphere was failing and they needed to replenish it with gold.(57:18) And when they discovered what they discovered on Earth was an abundance of gold. (57:22) So they needed to mine that, send it back home. (57:26) And that’s where they kind of started messing with the creatures on this planet.(57:31) Ape like maybe other creatures. (57:33) Possibly it’s where you get the Nephilim in the Bible. (57:37) And they just started splicing, trying to figure out that that perfect master slave (57:43) race that they could use and abuse and get the work done.(57:47) And then you have anyways, then you have the brothers, though, Enki and Anil, whom Anu, (57:57) he had to go back to the home world for something. (57:59) And he left Earth with in command. (58:06) He left the command of Earth with Anil and Anil and Enki kind of had this little feud (58:14) on the basis of what to do with these people.(58:18) Right. (58:18) And Enki actually, essentially, he like he perceived that they had something more than (58:25) just being a slave race. (58:27) So now we’re going to go into like the Genesis and the Bible with the serpent.(58:33) It kind of gets flipped. (58:35) Enki is the serpent, but he’s actually doing it good by giving humans knowledge so that (58:42) they can actually. (58:43) Knowledge is the light.(58:44) Yes. (58:45) So they can actually venture back. (58:47) So they can free themselves from the slavery that they’re being forced up under as subjects (58:53) to Anil.(58:54) So you have that rebellion in nature there. (58:58) So that’s where it kind of. (58:59) Let me ask you this, but I got to ask you this because it’s absolutely curious on a (59:04) percentage out of 100, what’s what’s the what’s your probability of this? (59:11) This being the case, are you like sold on it? (59:14) Are you like 51, 49 and growing or where are you at on that? (59:18) Because like I love the ideas because I we don’t know anything until we start delving (59:24) in.(59:25) So like I love that that that happened. (59:28) Is this from all from this book that you just that you shared or was this is it from. (59:32) Oh, that’s one.(59:33) This is this is one book. (59:35) And actually, I got this this one and the Anunnaki connection. (59:39) Actually, it was recommended because she was on Heather Lynn was actually on the Paranormal (59:46) Podcast with Jim Harold and they do recommendation on books.(59:53) So I got this and started reading it. (59:55) But then I’ve also I’ve I’ve read like Zachariah Zichin and Von Daniken. (1:00:03) So Eric Von Daniken, all them guys.(1:00:06) So like a little bit of what is it? (1:00:10) Are you familiar with Dolores Cannon? (1:00:12) She does hypnosis and can talk to alleged like Nostradamus and stuff. (1:00:17) Oh, yeah, I know who Dolores. (1:00:18) Yeah, it’s a real interesting one.(1:00:21) Yeah, you definitely I would definitely recommend you check out. (1:00:24) And actually, I’d recommend everyone check out the one with Jason, because what you hear (1:00:28) here is nothing what what I talk about and what I’ve experienced in my life. (1:00:34) It is night and day.(1:00:37) Now, I am intrigued because I did when I you and I just met. (1:00:41) Actually, what? (1:00:42) Three weeks ago, two weeks ago. (1:00:43) So I’m like, actually, like, even through that.(1:00:46) And I saw your your cross. (1:00:49) And it just makes me curious right off the bat because you’re displaying it. (1:00:55) So obviously, is it pride? (1:00:58) Is it a shield? (1:01:00) Is it just so you can look down and recognize it? (1:01:02) Because you had a connection to that earlier.(1:01:04) You mentioned like a connection to that. (1:01:08) Oh, it’s both. (1:01:09) My pride is my pride with God.(1:01:11) Yeah. (1:01:12) Because I mean, I’ve had like I’ve been fighting and battling between Christian all my life. (1:01:19) So I’ve been a rebel.(1:01:21) So and every time it seems like I’m going back to God, I turn around and give him the finger. (1:01:28) I mean, and I’ve had a I actually had a rough year and I actually put this cross back on. (1:01:35) Uh, like, I think like, no, like, maybe November.(1:01:41) No, I think I finally put it on, but really with no meaning in like November of 2023. (1:01:51) And I started going. (1:01:53) But then out of like at the end of November, I started I ended up something happened where (1:01:59) like I started having panic attacks that I’ve never had in my life.(1:02:03) Um, and I think it just had a whole lot of stress from losing my mom a year earlier, (1:02:10) and finally sitting down and finally, and grieving like I never actually truly grieved. (1:02:18) And, and then there were other issues too, that arose. (1:02:22) And I just had, I ended up going through like bouts of panic attacks and anxiety.(1:02:29) And one day last March, I touched this cross, (1:02:35) I went out and it was standing on my back deck, I went like this on this cross. (1:02:40) And then I just started praying to God, like, please let me get through this. (1:02:45) Like, I beg of you, like, help me give me strength.(1:02:49) And what do I need to do to get over all this? (1:02:52) And from here on out, I’ve actually been like I got on medication to just to just to help. (1:03:01) But that was before I got back on medication. (1:03:07) A week later, I finally saw the doctor to get back on some medication.(1:03:13) And, but I ended up everything just stopped. (1:03:17) I’m like, well, I guess I’m, I guess I’m turning myself back to the Lord. (1:03:24) So because (1:03:25) Hold on, I want to change it.(1:03:28) I want to change that too. (1:03:29) Because I have a specific question. (1:03:31) Did you, I think Spike mentioned it.(1:03:34) Spike Cohen just found faith, for example. (1:03:37) And he, it’s like a surrender. (1:03:40) Like you didn’t turn, you didn’t turn to it.(1:03:43) You like trust fell. (1:03:44) You just like let go. (1:03:46) Do you feel let go? (1:03:49) Or do you feel a turning? (1:03:51) Because the experience I feel would be the euphoric one would be like a letting go, (1:03:56) like almost like, you know, like elevated or hovering out of it.(1:04:00) You know, versus like turning, because turning yourself around is really you doing it. (1:04:04) And the surrender is like, yeah, because it changes it for you. (1:04:08) Yeah, that’s a good question.(1:04:10) Actually, I would probably say the former. (1:04:14) I felt like I just kind of let myself go back to God (1:04:20) and let him take care of it all. (1:04:22) Because all of a sudden, like within, like it was within a mere minutes, (1:04:28) like I was having a really bad panic attack at that moment.(1:04:34) And I couldn’t come out, calm down, come out of it. (1:04:37) And I had just got to come back from like a week straight one. (1:04:41) Like I don’t like I where I never could come down from it.(1:04:46) And as soon as I prayed, and I literally meant it and let my soul and my heart go to God. (1:04:57) It just it was like the world stopped. (1:04:59) And like, I just calmed down just out of nowhere, just within minutes.(1:05:04) And then I got gradually better within the week. (1:05:07) The next day, I called my doctor to get in to see somebody to get back on my medication (1:05:13) that I hadn’t been on in a while, but it has somewhat worked. (1:05:18) And from here on out.(1:05:19) Well, you got like this answer when you when you set your intention. (1:05:23) I mean, we can the religion and spiritual thing are so parallel. (1:05:29) And one of the biggest issues between the two is like, (1:05:33) you’re trying to personify it, describe it, label it like it’s crazy.(1:05:37) So like what happens is praying is setting an intention. (1:05:42) It’s the same thing. (1:05:45) Like and the problem is people are like, well, I’m praying to God.(1:05:49) Well, what do you think you’re setting an intention is like you’re putting it out there (1:05:53) like how it’s the same type of thing, you know? (1:05:56) And it’s interesting how people fight so much over the religion, blah, blah, blah. (1:06:02) I think I have completely different issues with it, but which I’m able to eloquent. (1:06:06) But it’s like, but the faith thing, man, is absolutely beautiful.(1:06:11) And I love like, I’ll be honest, it’s if anyone could talk me into probably (1:06:16) believing or having that moment like you, it’d be Spike Cohen. (1:06:20) That guy can talk. (1:06:22) That guy can talk anybody into or out of almost anything.(1:06:25) The dude just like has this way of doing it. (1:06:29) You know what I mean? (1:06:29) He’s like persuasive, you know? (1:06:31) So like, it’s great that he joined that. (1:06:33) But I’m like, I want to pick his brain as to how that happened.(1:06:35) And I think what you’re sharing is very similar. (1:06:38) It’s like this letting go. (1:06:39) Now, is the cross, was that from a gift? (1:06:43) Did you buy it yourself and just didn’t wear it? (1:06:45) Oh, this is actually surprisingly enough, this is probably the only thing my dad ever (1:06:49) got me that was worth something.(1:06:52) And he actually got it blessed by the bishop in our diocese. (1:06:58) So this is a blessed cross. (1:07:01) When did you get it? (1:07:02) For a present? (1:07:05) I think I got it.(1:07:06) I think he got it for my birthday 10 years ago. (1:07:11) Something like that. (1:07:13) I think it was like 10 years ago.(1:07:14) It’s a Philippians chapter four, seven and 13. (1:07:22) So, and I’m going to butcher it unless I read it off the cross. (1:07:26) Hold on, I’m going to pull it up.(1:07:27) Just keep talking, man. (1:07:29) We’re going to four, four, 13. (1:07:32) Four, four, seven and four 13 are the verses.(1:07:37) So Philippians, but effectively Philippians 13 is my strength is within Christ. (1:07:47) Just to tell you the gist of it. (1:07:49) So basically, I’m going to try this.(1:07:51) I don’t, I hope this is correct, but it says fix your thoughts on what is true and honorable (1:07:56) and right and pure and lovely and admirable. (1:07:59) Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise. (1:08:01) Keep putting into practice all you learn and receive from me.(1:08:04) Everything you heard from me and saw me doing, then God of peace will be with you. (1:08:09) Does that sound close? (1:08:12) Very variations. (1:08:14) That sounds okay.(1:08:15) Yeah, I just, that’s an AI pull up. (1:08:17) So yeah, that is awesome. (1:08:20) That is beautiful, man.(1:08:21) So, so you touch it and you literally get that zap. (1:08:25) Like it, it, it is it. (1:08:28) So man, every day, like most people probably think I’m weird.(1:08:31) Like I was just in the last time I went to mass because I go to mass every now and again, (1:08:36) just to just, cause I, I, I still would like to go. (1:08:39) You have to do what you have to do. (1:08:41) Right.(1:08:41) And if you want it, like I know people who love that stuff, man, do it. (1:08:46) Yeah. (1:08:47) What, what, like, how is it different than any other hobby or any other thing you like to do? (1:08:53) You like to work on a car.(1:08:54) If you like to go to go to meet people, if you like to bathe in that energy, whatever. (1:08:59) Exactly. (1:09:00) That’s beautiful.(1:09:01) Well, yeah, I, I, I guarantee you, they probably look at me like I’m weird. (1:09:06) Cause like, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll do the sign of the cross like this. (1:09:09) And then I’ll kiss my cross and then I’ll go like this.(1:09:15) And that’s how I end mine. (1:09:17) Like I’m, I, I have like a huge, I’ve made a routine out of, out of (1:09:22) ending and starting a prayer. (1:09:25) So that’s cool though.(1:09:26) But like you made it yours. (1:09:27) Like it’s your personal. (1:09:29) It’s my personal.(1:09:31) Yeah. (1:09:31) And, and that’s the thing I’ve always said is like, I I’ve, I’ve used religions like, (1:09:36) like any hierarchical structure, like a government is like, they’re going to manipulate (1:09:40) and use what they know. (1:09:42) If you think about certain things when they could only read and write, what are they telling you? (1:09:46) They’re telling you what’ll keep you in line much more than what’s like truthful about the world, (1:09:51) the God or whatever.(1:09:52) You know what I mean? (1:09:53) Just, that’s just my opinion. (1:09:54) Cause humans are fallible. (1:09:56) That’s just how we, how we do it.(1:09:58) Right. (1:09:59) That’s just how we are. (1:10:00) So that’s what I’ve always had is like, you got to have that direct personal faith, that direct (1:10:05) thing.(1:10:05) And to do your thing, your ritual, that, that is exactly what, what that is. (1:10:11) Cause that’s yours. (1:10:12) Yeah.(1:10:13) That’s pretty cool. (1:10:14) All right. (1:10:15) So I’m going to pull it up now.(1:10:16) Speaking of that, I’m going to say father, the son, the Holy spirit. (1:10:23) Right. (1:10:24) I do spectacles, testicles, watch your wallet, but you know.(1:10:27) Yeah, there you go. (1:10:28) That works too. (1:10:29) But a quick prayer to both God and dr.(1:10:39) Evil. (1:10:40) Um, so, uh, help Dr. (1:10:46) help Michael Recton. (1:10:47) We’ll get a hundred, a hundred billion dollars and, uh, 11 billion, 11.(1:10:53) Yes. (1:10:54) Excellent. (1:10:55) Never do it again.(1:10:55) And, uh, (1:10:56) One for my Hermie. (1:10:59) All right, man. (1:11:00) So let’s, let’s go back.(1:11:02) We’re going to do this. (1:11:02) I got to play it. (1:11:03) I think I found it.(1:11:04) I’m going to pull it up here. (1:11:04) Let’s see if I can’t butcher this or not, but let’s see. (1:11:40) You find it.(1:11:46) All right. (1:11:47) All right. (1:11:47) Did I not share it? (1:11:49) Oh man, I’m the dumbest person.(1:11:52) See, this is what 50 year olds do here. (1:11:54) My friend. (1:11:55) All right, here we go.(1:11:57) Are you ready? (1:11:57) All right. (1:11:59) Is it working? (1:11:59) Okay. (1:12:00) There we go.(1:12:00) Now we got it. (1:12:00) All right. (1:12:01) My apologies, everyone.(1:12:02) I think we just lost 22 people, but I apologize. (1:12:06) Lastly, sir, we have an executive order ordering the declassification of files relating to the (1:12:12) assassinations of president John F. Kennedy, uh, Senator Robert F. Kennedy and, uh, Reverend (1:12:17) Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. (1:12:19) That’s a big one, huh? (1:12:21) A lot of people are waiting for this for a long few years, (1:12:25) for decades, and everything will be revealed. (1:12:37) Okay.(1:12:43) There it is. (1:12:48) I just want to know if they have enough black ink for when they redact everything. (1:12:54) I know, seriously.(1:12:56) So here’s what’s interesting. (1:12:59) I think Libertarian Goth shared this, shared the clip. (1:13:03) And she’s like, oh my goodness.(1:13:06) Oh my gosh, they did it. (1:13:08) And you’re like, yeah. (1:13:09) And the second I saw it, I was like, this is cool.(1:13:13) And I got to admit, does Trump know how to freaking sell everything, man? (1:13:20) He’s just looking so pretty, like this superhero. (1:13:23) He’s like, it’s all going to be revealed. (1:13:26) It’s going to be great.(1:13:27) And he goes, give the pen to Robert. (1:13:29) Give him the pen. (1:13:30) The one that I just told you, the one that murdered your uncle and your father.(1:13:34) And you’re just like, God damn, that’s fucking brilliant. (1:13:39) You know what I mean? (1:13:40) He knows how to work. (1:13:41) He knows how to sell a work.(1:13:44) Yes, that is like, but like, that’s so American to me. (1:13:50) I mean, he was part of Wrestlemania one year. (1:13:56) He did get to shave Vince McMahon’s head.(1:13:59) He did. (1:14:00) Yes. (1:14:01) Perfect storyline.(1:14:02) Stupid, but perfect. (1:14:04) It’s amazing, man. (1:14:06) It’s like, and then I look and it’s like, executive, when he goes, oh, it will be revealed.(1:14:13) And you’re like, you said it. (1:14:15) You shouldn’t have said all that shit because you know it’s not all going to get revealed. (1:14:18) You’re done.(1:14:20) Did it again, Donald? (1:14:21) You could have just said, I’m signing the executive order. (1:14:24) You could have just stopped there, but he had to like, do that extra. (1:14:27) And now he’s going to get burned for that.(1:14:29) You know what I mean? (1:14:30) Does that all revealed? (1:14:32) No way. (1:14:34) No, they’re not going to let it. (1:14:35) They won’t.(1:14:37) They’re not going to let it get revealed. (1:14:40) They’re going to hide as much as they can. (1:14:42) And honestly, it’s just going to, it’s probably going to end up what we don’t know.(1:14:48) And we will never know is what did Israel have? (1:14:52) Did Israel have anything to do with it? (1:14:54) And if they did, then that’s definitely going to get buried because he is too far up Netanyahu’s (1:15:01) ass. (1:15:01) It’s not even funny. (1:15:04) So if we, yeah, if we look now there’s a, there’s an amazing documentary or maybe a mini (1:15:10) series or whatever, multiple show series, it’s called a continuation of government, (1:15:15) something like that, or, or no, this is how we all die or something, or this is how, what (1:15:22) the heck is it called? (1:15:23) It’s some really crazy one anyway.(1:15:25) And what is it? (1:15:27) It shows you that there is an underlying current that, that is running to stay like to exist (1:15:37) just like a single celled amoeba has to exist after the whole asteroid thing goes right. (1:15:43) Like there’s a continuity, the continuation of government continuity, continuity. (1:15:49) Oh man, I screwed up the continuity of government.(1:15:53) Somebody said it, what during a, was it an Iran contra and they shut down the hearing (1:15:57) and somebody just said it at a congressional thing like last year while under the Biden (1:16:02) administration, she said something about continuity of government. (1:16:05) Can’t stop. (1:16:06) And you’re like, there’s something that runs underneath it.(1:16:09) And it’s even part of our, even nuclear stuff is like, it doesn’t matter. (1:16:13) We just need one more of us than them or, or we just need two of us or something left. (1:16:18) What’s that? (1:16:19) I think it, I think that was Harris.(1:16:20) Harris said that in a, in a speech. (1:16:23) Yeah. (1:16:24) Yeah.(1:16:27) Yeah. (1:16:28) So there’s this thing and I do implore and I’ll, I’ll try to put off the feed from when (1:16:31) we have these conversations because there’s so many things we talk about, but it’s like (1:16:35) this thing is underlying. (1:16:37) And if I, I have zero issue with any race, religion, creed that anyone carries.(1:16:44) I have national issues with Israel, the state. (1:16:48) I come from Nazism. (1:16:50) I know what Nazi actions are.(1:16:53) And I, it’s my opinion that the Zionists are doing not very good actions right now. (1:16:59) They’re emulating the people that did horrible, atrocious things to them. (1:17:05) And well, not much, never deserved completely wrong, absolutely wrong, but it kicking it (1:17:11) down the can and becoming your oppressors isn’t exactly the greatest solution to that.(1:17:17) Anyway, just an opinion. (1:17:19) Anyway, so these things run deep, they run long, but there’s obviously been a connection (1:17:26) with Israel and this country where we are, you know, we call it the United States of (1:17:30) Israel, even in jokes, the 51st state, you know, 50, whatever. (1:17:35) And look at this stuff.(1:17:36) Apex influence, 97% of the people they, they backed in primaries one. (1:17:41) And they’re, you know, obviously they’re touting that, like, look how much influence (1:17:45) we have. (1:17:46) And Apex is the front of it.(1:17:48) There are behind the scenes that are funding way more money. (1:17:50) Like Soros has all these things funded behind other things. (1:17:53) Yep.(1:17:54) As other organizations as well. (1:17:56) These are real things. (1:17:58) This isn’t conspiracy stuff.(1:17:59) This is real. (1:18:00) So with all that said, if we find a direct connection that that continuity government (1:18:06) started when Kennedy said, I’m not going to have a continuity government. (1:18:09) Like, cause we look, remember the cruise ship, we looked at the Cuban missile crisis.(1:18:13) That’s where I think they said, all right, nuclear, nuclear stuff can really happen. (1:18:18) So we got to figure out a way that we’re going to survive that. (1:18:21) Cause it might still, you know, what are your thoughts on, on, on that? (1:18:27) Well, I mean, the government has, speaking of continuity government, the government has (1:18:31) a plan.(1:18:32) They even have a plan to add the day after plan from after we’re all annihilated and (1:18:40) the nukes have gone off and we come out at fall, a fallout. (1:18:43) They have a plan to still retrieve the taxes. (1:18:47) Yeah.(1:18:48) They say, give, send, go your taxes. (1:18:51) The IRS says go everybody. (1:18:54) So, I mean, that’s, it runs deep.(1:18:58) Not only that, but I don’t know if it’s still open. (1:19:01) I think they finally shut that one down now. (1:19:03) It’s just historical, but there’s a house and I think it’s in Virginia.(1:19:10) It’s out like, you know, it might be West Virginia, but there’s like this big old mansion (1:19:15) and there’s a bunker underneath. (1:19:16) And it’s to house like the, both houses of Congress and the president and his cabinet. (1:19:26) And I mean, they can literally, they can function in a bunker underneath this mansion in the (1:19:32) middle of nowhere, Virginia as in just still run the government while chaos is ensuing from (1:19:40) like attack nuclear or otherwise, or invasion or whatever.(1:19:45) I mean, I don’t know. (1:19:47) I don’t know if it’s commissioned anymore, but just because they might say it’s decommissioned (1:19:54) doesn’t necessarily mean it’s decommissioned, but then you also have Denver as well and (1:20:00) their underground situation, which is kind of creepy. (1:20:05) So that could be another area where they could continue with the government.(1:20:10) I mean, they have so many other options to continue running. (1:20:15) It’s crazy. (1:20:17) It’s crazy.(1:20:18) And it’s funny because I used to work at Xerox and there’s this building like outside of (1:20:25) Virginia that I, we went to for some kind of training or whatever. (1:20:29) And it was one of these underground Pentagon type things. (1:20:32) And the corridors got lost and everything.(1:20:34) They had a cafeteria down there and it was one of those retrofitted old, like whatever (1:20:39) shelter type things where you could just live it down there forever. (1:20:43) And it was a freaking maze, man. (1:20:46) And that was just some regular building.(1:20:48) No one really thought anything of it. (1:20:49) And you’re like, man, this is crazy. (1:20:52) So, all right, I found the thing.(1:20:53) It’s called while the rest of us die. (1:20:55) I put an Amazon prime up there, but I’m sure you can get it everywhere else. (1:20:59) But once again, guys, we have 57 people on tonight.(1:21:02) Thank you so much for joining Zach and myself. (1:21:05) That’s awesome. (1:21:06) I think that’s amazing.(1:21:07) It’s a Thursday night. (1:21:08) You could be doing much better things than that, but we’re not here for us. (1:21:12) We’re here for rec.(1:21:14) We’re here to wreck the regime, everybody. (1:21:15) I’m going to share before we continue this conversation. (1:21:18) I’m going to share one more thing about rec, because this is exactly what you said.(1:21:22) You listened and I had rec on my show for the first time, December of 2023, even. (1:21:29) Was it? (1:21:29) No, 24, December of last year. (1:21:32) Oh, no, it was 2023.(1:21:35) Yeah, it was that long ago. (1:21:37) Jeez. (1:21:37) Anyway, he is such a nice guy, and it was funny because it was Natalie Danilishan’s (1:21:44) birthday, and I had asked him to sing happy birthday.(1:21:47) So he actually sings happy birthday, but then he ended with this beautiful piece that I’d (1:21:52) like to share with you. (1:21:57) And there it is. (1:21:59) All right.(1:22:00) Thank you so much. (1:22:03) That is our gracious doctor. (1:22:05) And then the Fed, he’s like a silly guy.(1:22:10) He can laugh at himself. (1:22:12) He’s a grandfather. (1:22:14) Everybody, donate.(1:22:15) Donate. (1:22:16) Couple bucks. (1:22:17) Just a couple bucks.(1:22:18) We’re just so grateful that you guys could join us for tonight. (1:22:21) And if the shenanigans in that gummy didn’t get in the way. (1:22:26) You heard him talk about the gummy.(1:22:28) Hey, look, he took accountability for it. (1:22:30) He’s like, I expected it to be like a 10 or 20, and it was like a 200 or something. (1:22:33) He’s like, that’s going to do it.(1:22:38) I blame Donald Trump, honestly. (1:22:40) I think it was somebody from the Trump campaign. (1:22:44) He was angry, wasn’t he? (1:22:46) Something happened, and I don’t even know the whole story.(1:22:51) Yeah, that’s gummy gate, right? (1:22:54) Unfortunately. (1:22:55) Gummy gate. (1:22:55) But there was more to gummy gate than the gummy, though.(1:22:59) That’s for sure. (1:23:02) And we can talk about that. (1:23:02) Certainly, man, I don’t know how much I want to.(1:23:07) I’m not sure. (1:23:11) Angela McCardle certainly trumpeted Ross over it. (1:23:16) But Thomas Massey has been doing it, too.(1:23:20) Thomas Massey got to read a letter that he got from Ross in prison on IRL yesterday. (1:23:26) And look, this is amazing. (1:23:29) If I look back, and I smelled shenanigans in the LP when I watched that vote and the (1:23:35) watch the way that unfolded, and I met Chase, I met Turmont, I met Angela, I shook their hands, (1:23:41) looked them in the eye, and I just got a strange vibe from each of them in different ways.(1:23:46) I tried to engage with them and ask them questions, and it felt like they were not (1:23:50) interested in my depth that I was willing to dig. (1:23:55) It’s something just. (1:23:58) And then you look at the connection, how everybody’s together, and you’re like, (1:24:01) you know, like what? (1:24:03) Ancap Air.(1:24:03) You got you jumped on that yesterday. (1:24:05) There was a spaces with Ancap Air in Jeremiah. (1:24:07) And I’ll be honest, I’m going to take a step back.(1:24:11) I’m going to share this. (1:24:12) Scott Ritter. (1:24:14) Scott Ritter was a U.N. or U.S. military bomb inspector or something, and he is now anti-war.(1:24:22) Now, he is embroiled in some really salacious allegations that have to do with children, (1:24:29) and that’s absolutely unacceptable. (1:24:33) However, I do know that that is the first and foremost way that all people get (1:24:42) dinged. (1:24:43) And when Ancap was on last night and Jeremiah spoke about it, (1:24:49) they were talking about Scott Ritter and not a good light.(1:24:51) Once again, I think he is a convicted of that. (1:24:56) That doesn’t. (1:24:57) Once again, this is one of those ones where we’re like, those are always guilty, (1:25:01) guilty regardless.(1:25:02) It’s like a rape allegation. (1:25:04) You can never shake those. (1:25:06) So what are your thoughts on Ritter? (1:25:08) And have you ever thought about like where Ritter’s place is with this, (1:25:12) like with Horton and all the stuff? (1:25:13) Because like Horton’s pretty clean as a whistle.(1:25:15) I haven’t seen anything with that. (1:25:16) He’s, you know, happily married and all this stuff. (1:25:18) Obviously, Dave Smith’s, you know, who he is.(1:25:22) But Ritter’s got this weird cloud over his head. (1:25:24) And I’m curious if you think that there’s shenanigans at play or if he. (1:25:29) That’s a good question.(1:25:31) I don’t know a whole lot about Ritter, but it’s interesting. (1:25:36) Why now? (1:25:38) But at the same time, the heart. (1:25:42) But at the same time, you just don’t really know.(1:25:45) Like, because these are the cases and my dad’s a prosecutor. (1:25:51) So he’s this. (1:25:52) These are the hardest cases to try.(1:25:55) And when you take somebody down and convict them, you have to have. (1:26:01) You have all the evidence. (1:26:03) You have to have all the facts straight.(1:26:05) So, I mean, you said he is convicted, right? (1:26:10) I don’t want to. (1:26:11) I don’t want to speak out of turn because that’s what I hear, (1:26:14) because that’s what they said on the on the spaces yesterday. (1:26:16) I’m trying to be sensitive because, like, I can tell you this.(1:26:21) Jared, Jared of Subway is a complete douchebag. (1:26:26) And we know that like that should happen. (1:26:27) We do know that.(1:26:28) I also do know that computer stuff has been put on other people’s stuff. (1:26:33) And if it’s just that it carries the same federal crime (1:26:36) because it crosses state lines, for example, things like that. (1:26:39) So, like, I don’t know.(1:26:42) Andrew, welcome, man. (1:26:43) You want to chime in, my friend? (1:26:45) How are you doing? (1:26:46) Not bad. (1:26:47) I didn’t get.(1:26:48) I don’t know what you guys are talking about. (1:26:49) So, I just. (1:26:51) So, we’re talking about Scott Ritter.(1:26:54) OK. (1:26:55) Do you know who Scott Ritter is? (1:26:57) I don’t know. (1:26:57) It’s the context of the situation.(1:27:00) OK, never mind. (1:27:01) We’ll let it go. (1:27:02) But anyway, final thoughts on that before we move on, because we got to talk.(1:27:06) Yeah, I was going to say the only thing I would have to say there is if he’s convicted, (1:27:12) then it’s kind of hard to say, well, what what what? (1:27:16) You could look. (1:27:17) It’s all public. (1:27:18) Like, what facts did they have evidence wise? (1:27:21) So, they would have to they really would have to have a lot of evidence (1:27:26) collected in order to prove his guilt.(1:27:30) If he’s not, it’s one of the these cases are one of the hardest to convict, (1:27:36) especially when I mean, it’s easier to charge somebody with. (1:27:42) CP on their computer because it’s there. (1:27:46) But at the same time, to your point, somebody else could have put it could have planted it.(1:27:50) So, maybe you do a further investigation. (1:27:53) Usually, it’s just open shut, though, sadly, if there’s an actual child involved, though, (1:27:58) in those and you go further on that case, it’s a lot harder because it’s a child (1:28:04) and they’re not really the best witness as a victim because they’re a child. (1:28:10) So, I mean, unless so unless they’re a little older, but we’re talking like (1:28:14) and it’s the most sensitive thing to talk about.(1:28:16) It is. (1:28:17) So, thank you for even sharing some thoughts on it, because like, (1:28:20) look, the thing is, we’re just seeking truth. (1:28:23) And when I and if if, you know, he’s going to he’s going to deny it every time.(1:28:29) I think everybody who was convicted of it, regardless of doing or not, would. (1:28:35) So, you know, I don’t know. (1:28:36) And it’s like it’s tough because it’s like the idea of his anti-war stance, really powerful.(1:28:43) But if it’s mired in like an evil acting individual, you know, who violates the absolute (1:28:51) most of, you know, the most sacred of which is children, that is unacceptable. (1:28:57) So, all right. (1:28:58) I’ll let that go.(1:28:59) Andrew, let’s laugh, man. (1:29:00) All right. (1:29:01) Everybody, give Sen go.(1:29:03) Give Sen go. (1:29:03) Give Mike some money. (1:29:04) Rick, Rick, Rick.(1:29:06) Oh, Lori has a Lori has a question in the comments for you. (1:29:11) Oh, yes, absolutely. (1:29:13) Let’s get them on here.(1:29:14) All right. (1:29:15) So, Andrew, why don’t you why don’t you catch us up with how you’re doing? (1:29:19) And I’m going to hit mute here while I talk with Lori. (1:29:23) I’ve been doing OK, just, you know, working every day and trying to help him with Zach.(1:29:28) So not too terribly interesting going on. (1:29:34) Yes. (1:29:34) But are you are you growing hair? (1:29:39) That’s that’s top secret.(1:29:42) Oh, come on. (1:29:43) Top secret like the JFK files. (1:29:46) Right.(1:29:47) Wait, what do you have? (1:29:48) Have you seen that clip yet? (1:29:50) Trump Trump did it, man. (1:29:52) He’s yeah, he did it. (1:29:54) What do you think about the family? (1:29:57) There you go.(1:29:59) Oh, man. (1:30:00) I mean, I hope it’s definitely something juicy. (1:30:03) I think everyone deserves to know the truth.(1:30:05) So how do you think this is actually out there yet or not? (1:30:11) Do you think we’ll actually know the truth, though? (1:30:13) Do you think they’ll make sure some things don’t get out? (1:30:18) Oh, I’m sure that they’re going to only release like 80 percent of what they do have, (1:30:23) that they probably won’t release anything seriously killer. (1:30:27) They’ll probably say, oh, yeah, by the way, we forgot about this 20 years ago. (1:30:30) So 20 years ago.(1:30:34) And that’s the thing is like the problem. (1:30:36) The people aren’t the problem. (1:30:38) It’s going to be the institutions that they were working under for.(1:30:43) And look who we have. (1:30:45) We got right on the house. (1:30:48) Welcome.(1:30:50) How are you doing, buddy? (1:30:51) Talk to us. (1:30:52) Yeah, well, I just want to correct one thing. (1:30:55) I haven’t gone under the knife yet.(1:30:58) So that’s coming up very shortly. (1:31:01) They want they want to run some tests. (1:31:04) And I should say that the what I have is a severe stenosis of the arterial (1:31:13) of the artery, my aorta.(1:31:19) So in the mouth, this goes. (1:31:23) So it causes a shortness of breath and stuff because of the regurgitation of blood. (1:31:33) And I don’t think this is from some sort of self-abuse.(1:31:37) I know you talked about the tummy, which I want to address. (1:31:42) And this is a genetic because I have a bicuspid valve. (1:31:49) And the bicuspid, it tends towards stenosis.(1:31:53) Don’t ask me why. (1:31:54) But and then I have an aortic aneurysm. (1:31:58) And so they figure they’ll just take care of both of them at once.(1:32:03) Well, God, God bless you, Rick. (1:32:06) And hopefully all goes well. (1:32:09) Speaking of the aortic.(1:32:10) Yeah, why I wanted to jump in was because of some of the things you (1:32:17) about the Bible, about about the interpretation of scripture you mentioned. (1:32:27) And I’m very familiar with all this. (1:32:30) It’s very interesting.(1:32:33) I should say, you guys were talking about surrender effectively and drugs and (1:32:45) addiction, really. (1:32:46) And I have a lot of experience with that, but not so much myself. (1:32:51) My son is a crack addict.(1:32:55) And that’s all been going on at the same time as I’m dealing with this. (1:33:00) So he has, he’s under the grips of this unbelievably powerful drug. (1:33:12) He’s really, he’s really in trouble.(1:33:22) So I’m afraid that he, you know, like he surrendered at some point. (1:33:35) Let’s not go on. (1:33:42) Let’s go.(1:33:43) I want to speak about the Scott Ritter thing. (1:33:46) Scott Ritter was set up by the FBI. (1:33:50) They sent a young girl to contact him.(1:33:56) I guess there’s some sort of instant messaging thing. (1:34:03) And then he bit, he bit on it, not knowing her age. (1:34:08) But then they sent somebody again, I think the same person.(1:34:13) And by this point, he knew her age. (1:34:15) Incredible. (1:34:16) And it was only online sexual harlots.(1:34:24) It wasn’t, he never had sex with someone. (1:34:28) So this was a complete setup. (1:34:32) And they did that because he knows, he knew too much about the fact.(1:34:38) He was the weapons inspector in Iraq. (1:34:42) He learned that there were no sub-human beings. (1:34:45) He’s the guy that turned up to the president’s office.(1:34:48) There was nothing there then. (1:34:51) So that’s why they were after him. (1:34:54) That’s to the gumming.(1:34:58) We had to talk about it, right? (1:35:00) We had to. (1:35:01) We had to, right? (1:35:03) Yeah. (1:35:03) No, and that’s the thing is like, we’re here to talk about openly about all, (1:35:07) we’re fallible humans here.(1:35:08) We all do stuff, but it’s like, none of our intent is evil. (1:35:13) But we see these people actually having evil intent and doing these evil actions. (1:35:16) And we just want some freedom here.(1:35:18) Over the course of the campaign, I spoke to like getting like one hit of a bait, (1:35:26) a weed bait before each debate and before each talk, (1:35:30) because it loosened me up and let me sort of flow better. (1:35:35) And before the Trump thing, it was like the biggest, like, (1:35:42) I was nervous out of my mind. (1:35:44) I was supposed to speak right after Trump.(1:35:47) And so I thought what I was given was like a CBD. (1:35:54) And I didn’t realize it was 100 milligrams of marijuana, you know, THC. (1:36:01) And so the rest is history.(1:36:04) I mean, here’s what I would have said, had I been in my right mind, (1:36:12) that the authoritarians that were attacking Trump were much worse than him. (1:36:17) And we’re seeing that play out right now. (1:36:20) These people are complete tyrants.(1:36:27) And Trump has flaws. (1:36:30) You know, I don’t agree with his sort of market policy, economic policy. (1:36:38) I’d rather not have tariffs, although I think it’s better than income tax.(1:36:45) And the other thing about Trump is, you know, (1:36:52) he might do some things that will offend libertarians. (1:36:58) But most of the stuff right now, it’s like gravy, man. (1:37:02) It’s unbelievable.(1:37:04) So, I mean, he’s releasing the RFK and MLK files. (1:37:11) We talked about that. (1:37:13) He basically suggested what was going to be redacted.(1:37:17) It’s going to be material related to Israel. (1:37:23) And that’s a very, very good question. (1:37:26) We need to get the files that include information about all of the players involved.(1:37:35) Like, for example, Sirhan Sirhan, who built RFK, was a taxi. (1:37:44) He did not do it. (1:37:45) I mean, the bullet came from his back.(1:37:48) How they get away with this shit is beyond words. (1:37:50) The bullet came, it was in the back of the head. (1:37:55) Sirhan Sirhan was facing RFK.(1:37:58) Excuse my setting here, I’m in bed. (1:38:01) So anyway. (1:38:05) And so.(1:38:06) There’s questions about James Earl Ray as well, isn’t there? (1:38:09) About he was just a lowly crook or whatever. (1:38:11) And then all of a sudden he got all these means. (1:38:13) Yeah, he was a CIA plant.(1:38:18) And Sirhan Sirhan, they picked him because he was Palestinian. (1:38:22) So that they could, you know, basically deflect onto the enemy instead of, you know, (1:38:29) themselves to deflect the guilt from themselves to the very, to the enemy. (1:38:36) Well, this is how twisted this deep state is.(1:38:40) I think it comes from the. (1:38:48) The elements within it, you know, and. (1:38:53) The same people that are, listen, this is not the Jews, OK, but the same people that (1:38:58) are controlling Israel are controlling, you know, are the deep state of the United States.(1:39:05) And and to be clear, before you continue, Doc, we we’ve made a very clear distinction (1:39:10) between any race, religion, color, creed, whatever, and this nation state of evil that (1:39:16) we’re talking about. (1:39:17) Right. (1:39:17) And it’s a deep state in this.(1:39:20) And the sense is that not all the players are actually technically involved in the state. (1:39:28) But they have a tremendous influence on the state. (1:39:31) They end up pulling the levers of power.(1:39:36) It’s not the right. (1:39:39) Through various means, blackmail, bribery, you know, perilous pitfalls. (1:39:45) It’s very simple.(1:39:46) So. (1:39:49) I actually I want to pick your brain on something a little bit, because there’s a pattern, (1:39:53) actually, if you think about it. (1:39:56) What do you think of the pattern between.(1:40:00) Between the Federal Reserve, the founding of the Federal Reserve, (1:40:04) with the Balfour Doctrine in the founding of the CIA, CIA and then the founding of the (1:40:12) state of Israel. (1:40:13) How does that all tie in? (1:40:14) Because it’s kind of coincidental that all four. (1:40:17) It’s like boom, boom, boom, boom.(1:40:21) It’s weird. (1:40:22) Well, the Balfour Declaration was signed in the letter. (1:40:30) So in 1918, right? (1:40:36) I’m in that range.(1:40:37) Well, we’ve got we’ve got to create we’ve got income tax and the creation of Fed in 13. (1:40:41) The Great War or War One starts in 14. (1:40:48) You know, there’s a there’s not there’s a correlation there, right? (1:40:51) The story is that Wilson was the very susceptible blackmail.(1:40:59) Plus, he had a affair. (1:41:05) This time, you know, more about things like that. (1:41:15) Balfour Declaration.(1:41:16) That’s one theory. (1:41:18) You know, I’m not going to actually be the only theory or whether it’s true. (1:41:27) But they bribed Wilson into going in the World War One and use the Balfour Declaration to get.(1:41:41) But they promised England in return for the. (1:41:47) In return for the land of Israel, Israel is more. (1:41:55) They promised them that the United States would be brought into World War One.(1:41:59) That was the promise that this is how the theory goes. (1:42:05) This is the promise that was made. (1:42:08) They promised to bring the U.S. into a war against the Germans and that up until this point, (1:42:15) the Germans were not were not losing.(1:42:18) In fact, they pretty much won it. (1:42:22) There wasn’t much to win. (1:42:23) As you know, there’s nothing that we wanted more expenditure of capital.(1:42:28) Usually, that’s the conquest. (1:42:31) But in the case of very equal powers or semi-equal power, you’re going to get (1:42:37) capital loss, devastation. (1:42:42) Nevertheless, the Germans have lost.(1:42:45) Put it that way. (1:42:47) But when the U.S. came in, they did get defeated. (1:42:50) And that was that was their entrance was contingent upon.(1:42:59) England handing over. (1:43:03) Israel to. (1:43:08) And thereby dragging the West into the war.(1:43:15) So that was the promise. (1:43:19) What were the other things that the other elements you asked about? (1:43:23) The CIA, which was obviously founded in 47 and then the state of Israel 49. (1:43:30) 1913, so was the income tax in 1913.(1:43:35) 1913 marked the moment in which the bankers took over the United States. (1:43:45) And yeah, it’s a rabbit business. (1:43:47) It does.(1:43:49) Too few people on the food or maybe they didn’t care that once you have a bank issuing your (1:43:59) currency or controlling your currency, the private bank controlling your currency, (1:44:09) that you lost control of the country. (1:44:10) But that’s what happens. (1:44:14) They start to then control policy because that’s where the money comes from.(1:44:20) So that’s that’s one of the reasons. (1:44:26) It’s not just that it replace our requirements, replace our value of our money on a day to (1:44:32) day basis. (1:44:33) It’s that it controls the policy of the country because they have the first grade.(1:44:42) Now, I don’t. (1:44:45) I mean, that’s an intermediate solution is to actually have the government itself control (1:44:50) the currency, to have a national bank. (1:44:54) But that is not a national bank.(1:45:02) So but that’s an intermediate step. (1:45:06) The ultimate step is to have private currencies on the market and to have a complete free (1:45:14) market in the currency. (1:45:20) It’s the most important commodity, but it’s the only commodity involved in every transaction.(1:45:26) It might be part of it, but it’s even part of the value of the currency. (1:45:33) So that’s that’s all those connections. (1:45:39) I think the institution of the income tax in the same year is not coincidental.(1:45:46) I think they arrived at the same time. (1:45:48) I think it’s on the same basis that they knew now that there would be inflation. (1:45:57) And so they knew that given a government that was controlled by banks.(1:46:06) And given the kind of spending that they would encourage in order to further and get the (1:46:14) country to the bank, they would need an income tax in order to defer, you know, to the cost. (1:46:26) But they knew they were broadly American citizens. (1:46:31) Hey, so that’s that’s my reading of it.(1:46:38) That’s a pretty good history lesson right there. (1:46:47) Right now, I’ve been I just put up. (1:46:53) I just sent my book to my publisher today.(1:47:00) And I’ll be coming out in probably six months to do a lot of reviews. (1:47:06) It’s an academic book. (1:47:08) And I just finished it.(1:47:13) It’s 510 pages. (1:47:16) And it is on. (1:47:18) I scribble it on out 510 pages.(1:47:21) You know, yeah, throw that out there. (1:47:23) It’s a it’s a 19th century science and all of the politics of the history of science, (1:47:29) the history of science, but it’s really knowledge, politics, and the politics that went on. (1:47:34) The determinants of all science and what it would be and how they would drive other things out.(1:47:43) And now I’m thinking, when I do pray, I want to start a book on. (1:47:51) See, I’m starting to think that even things like Darwin’s theory of evolution, (1:47:59) Marxism, you know, that’s a scientific materialism, which comes out of the 19th, (1:48:05) you know, mid to late 19th century, takes over, knocks natural theology out of the game. (1:48:14) Historical materialism with Marx.(1:48:17) Same time period, exactly. (1:48:19) I’m starting to think these were a conspiracy totally hoisted on us. (1:48:24) That Darwinism is a total conspiracy theory.(1:48:28) In fact, not a conspiracy theory, it’s a conspiracy. (1:48:32) To debunk God in order to demote humans, to elevate themselves as the all powerful social (1:48:41) engineers. (1:48:43) Once you debunk God, then you can assume that position.(1:48:49) So it was really necessary to make people believe that they were nothing but material (1:48:55) beings, that they came from animals, that they derived from a single celled organism, (1:49:01) which is so ludicrous. (1:49:03) Listen, I mean, think about this. (1:49:05) How could a single celled organism evolve instantly? (1:49:09) It has a lifespan of a day, okay? (1:49:12) How did it, in the span of this time, also acquire the ability to reproduce itself? (1:49:19) It’s impossible.(1:49:22) I mean, there’s no possibility that this is true. (1:49:25) Evolution is a scam set up to fool over our eyes. (1:49:29) Interestingly, in this book that I just did, it’s all about this and how it gained ascendancy (1:49:36) over this period.(1:49:38) But now, the next thing I’m going to show you, this is a conspiracy, I think. (1:49:44) It was engineered probably through, strangely enough, like Darwin’s grandfather, Erasmus (1:49:53) Darwin. (1:49:53) He also was an evolutionary theorist.(1:49:57) And he put out a theory 65 years before his grandfather. (1:50:02) And he was a Mason, a Freemason. (1:50:06) I think this has something to do with Freemasonry and Illuminati.(1:50:11) I swear to God. (1:50:12) I know that sounds rabbit hole shit, but I have the knowledge and the knowledge of real (1:50:19) solid sourcing and stuff. (1:50:21) So I’m entitled to going out on a limb with this shit.(1:50:25) I mean, there’s not a whole lot we know about the Freemasons, honestly. (1:50:33) I mean, once you get high, everything disappears. (1:50:38) I mean, so it would make a lot of sense in Freemason shenanigans.(1:50:46) And the fact that the United States was founded by Freemasons. (1:50:50) Or else. (1:50:52) Yes, that’s correct.(1:50:54) I mean, I would have to argue that going through history, that whole adage of in order to make (1:51:00) an omelet, you got to break some eggs. (1:51:02) Like these are the moments where these eggs are being broken to make these, I don’t know, (1:51:09) visionary societies of sorts, I guess. (1:51:11) Yeah, I don’t know.(1:51:12) I’m curious. (1:51:13) Foundational myth. (1:51:17) Foundational myth.(1:51:18) Yes, exactly. (1:51:20) They have to have that. (1:51:21) They have to have a foundational myth in order to gain ascendancy and power.(1:51:31) And I started thinking that maybe Darwinism, rather than a description of reality, was (1:51:38) actually a prescription for it. (1:51:42) In other words, they were actually, it was a normative thing. (1:51:46) It was a prescribing.(1:51:47) It was social engineering, I phrase. (1:51:51) They’re describing the world that they’re making, rather than the world as it is. (1:51:56) So that they have created a struggle for existence, which was the phrase that Darwin actually (1:52:08) used, but survival of the fittest, that was sort of offensive.(1:52:13) It was picked up by the fifth edition of the Georgian book, War and Peace. (1:52:17) But I think that they actually, it was a prescription to create a society in which a struggle for (1:52:27) existence was the main motif, the main ethos. (1:52:34) Because I don’t believe that co-operative capitalism is actually, is dog-eat-dog.(1:52:42) It is not. (1:52:43) I don’t believe free markets are actually competitive in the sense of, as Darwin figured, (1:52:52) evolution, where there are absolute losers who must die, right? (1:52:59) That’s what, in order for the survivors to thrive, you have to have losers. (1:53:07) So I think that’s not a fair characterization of the marketplace in which, when people (1:53:12) exchange and do things co-operatively, everybody gains at the same time, right? (1:53:19) So if you buy something, it’s not, in a free market, you’re not being ripped off.(1:53:25) Or if you’re paid for doing some sort of work, that’s not being ripped off. (1:53:30) You’re actually exchanging something. (1:53:33) You want something more than that person wants it.(1:53:36) They want something from you more than you want it. (1:53:39) That’s really how simple it is. (1:53:40) But that’s not, I don’t know if I’m going off the tangent.(1:53:44) I’ve been doing a lot of reading. (1:53:45) So I’m pretty much, I’m pretty much bedbound. (1:53:49) So I’ve been doing a lot of deep dives.(1:53:51) So if I’m coming off a little bit crazy, sorry. (1:53:56) Well, you are welcome anytime if you ever feel like relaxing and chatting, man. (1:54:00) We’ve done this so many times.(1:54:03) We’re grateful for your mind. (1:54:05) We brought this up, like I said, Chase Oliver posted something. (1:54:11) And you know, this is about your health and well-being.(1:54:16) We need you here so we can add to the collective of ideas. (1:54:21) I want to say something about Chase Oliver. (1:54:23) I thank him very much.(1:54:26) As I’ve tried to make manifest to him throughout the whole campaign, (1:54:29) I didn’t have anything against him personally at all. (1:54:33) In fact, I think he’s a nice guy. (1:54:35) I got along with him.(1:54:36) But I tried to get him to open up a little more. (1:54:38) He’s a little bit, you know, a little more guarded than me probably. (1:54:44) But I tried to get him to open up.(1:54:46) I tried to explain to him that, listen, I’m not your mortal enemy here. (1:54:50) You know, I’m not some piece of caulk that’s doomed or sent out to like execute. (1:54:56) I’m actually a person just like you are.(1:55:01) And I thought he was a nice guy. (1:55:03) And I never had any qualms with him as a person at all. (1:55:07) In fact, I like him.(1:55:08) I did have political, I do and did and still do have political (1:55:14) disagreements with him that are pretty strong. (1:55:17) But that doesn’t mean that I consider him like a mortal enemy. (1:55:21) I always said he was a nice guy.(1:55:23) I never said anything else. (1:55:28) I might have called him a bad one. (1:55:29) Hey, what are you going to do? (1:55:34) Uh, but, uh, you know, I don’t agree with frantic children.(1:55:39) He doesn’t go, you know, he doesn’t go for the, uh, for the, uh, (1:55:44) Angel class, the other, but he does go for the captain. (1:55:51) And and to that point, like I said, we, we, uh, Zach, Zach and I jumped on, uh, (1:55:57) on Jeremiah and cap and cap airs, uh, podcast or spaces yesterday. (1:56:02) And they have clear differences with your opinions, but they wish nothing but the best.(1:56:07) They reposted your Gibson go. (1:56:10) And everyone, everyone wants this because this is the diversity that we need. (1:56:15) This is the inclusion that we need.(1:56:17) This is the equity that we need. (1:56:19) We need every idea out there and we got to hash them all out. (1:56:23) Yeah, man.(1:56:25) I always said that. (1:56:26) That was the problem with academia. (1:56:27) I kept talking about diversity, but it was only female typical diversity, not, (1:56:33) not anything else like diversity of appearance.(1:56:37) So that’s, that’s the strangest, most shallow kind of diversity. (1:56:41) There is about diversity of thought about diversity of first about different types (1:56:48) of individuals. (1:56:49) How about a lot, a lot of welcoming, uh, different perspectives that that was more (1:56:55) because the other characteristics are unavoidable.(1:56:59) You know, you can’t decide three, five or five or anything. (1:57:06) So those are already determined for you somehow. (1:57:10) So the real differences that are interesting are not both.(1:57:14) Those are not at all. (1:57:16) Those are foreign. (1:57:18) Um, and I think I’ve ever looked at anybody other than when I talked to (1:57:25) an actual individual.(1:57:27) Well, that’s not to say that there aren’t groups, but the actual collective. (1:57:31) We’ll put a collective banner. (1:57:32) We’ll see the gang.(1:57:35) I can see this as well. (1:57:37) Other kinds of groups that act collectively just to notice that doesn’t make you (1:57:49) Cooperation. (1:57:51) Community cooperation.(1:57:53) I love it. (1:57:54) That’s what we need in today’s world. (1:57:56) We need discourse.(1:57:58) Yeah, that’s what we’re missing big time. (1:58:00) And to your point is beautiful too, because like we, we do have this, but we do need to (1:58:07) point our cannons in the same direction, right? (1:58:09) Like we’re pointing them at each other in a lot of ways, and we just got to start pointing (1:58:13) them at the actual people. (1:58:14) But that’s where Jeremiah kind of mentioned yesterday, the coalition, like a, it is collaborative.(1:58:20) I mean, ideas cannot die if they’re shared. (1:58:24) The good ideas always end up in the ether, right? (1:58:29) So we just have to put them out there. (1:58:32) Yeah.(1:58:32) The enemy is the state, right? (1:58:34) But the state is just a tool in the hands of the ruling class. (1:58:39) It’s just their weapon. (1:58:41) So the only thing we can really do is disarm them.(1:58:49) Yeah. (1:59:06) WWI, of course, called it the Great War at the time because they didn’t anticipate the (1:59:11) Syrian system. (1:59:13) So they called it the Great War.(1:59:20) Yeah. (1:59:20) I mean, no, I think it just shifted. (1:59:22) It didn’t end, it just shifted the theaters, you know? (1:59:29) They didn’t really end it, and I think it kept going on purpose.(1:59:36) The powers that be in banks and in the state, they gained from the war. (1:59:44) So they have a direct, you know, vested interest in keeping it going. (1:59:50) Of course, they do have also a vested interest in getting rid of certain types of players (1:59:56) on the field.(1:59:57) So that’s why you see the agents towards Russia. (2:00:02) There’s no question that Russia represents a real threat to the ruling establishment. (2:00:09) Now, Russia has also its own authoritarian character.(2:00:12) And I just will leave that out of the question as well. (2:00:16) Nevertheless, Russia represents a real threat. (2:00:19) And that’s why they’ve had their hands pointed at it for so long.(2:00:24) And, you know, we talked about the other theaters as well. (2:00:39) Was it temporary? (2:00:41) I get you. (2:00:57) But I’m unclear about whether we’ve gotten to the bottom of it and whether the alignment (2:01:07) with this order has been broken up yet or not.(2:01:13) So that is to say, (2:01:18) the alignment to supposedly defeat the common enemy is a hypothesis. (2:01:30) But the communism that was defeated in the Cold War, supposedly, wasn’t defeated. (2:01:42) The Cold War was another scam altogether.(2:01:45) It was a total scam. (2:01:48) The Cold War was largely, I mean, the United States was funding both sides. (2:01:56) I mean, if you read, you see that the United States is actually funding the Soviet Union (2:02:04) as the weapons that they’ve given them, the technology to build weapons that are actually (2:02:10) used against American soldiers in Vietnam.(2:02:13) I mean, this is unbelievable. (2:02:16) So it was just a waste of the power of the state in both places to build up enormous (2:02:23) power, centralized power, and to dictate, therefore, to have more control over their (2:02:28) own citizens. (2:02:32) The Cold War was a big joke.(2:02:35) I mean, it wasn’t a joke to the people living through it, but we’re still, in effect, (2:02:38) living through it in a way because we still have the nuclear threat that it produced. (2:02:46) So I would argue World War I, how that was treated with the Treaty of Versailles, was (2:02:53) an affront to Germany, whose blowback was the creation of Hitler and the rise of Hitler (2:02:58) nationalism. (2:02:59) The refusal to give back Danzig by Churchill was another slap in the face, which really (2:03:04) accelerated and exacerbated some things.(2:03:06) Very akin to the land grab that Putin’s going after, a specific area to connect to his port (2:03:13) that he’s been leasing from the Ukrainians for 75 years or whatever. (2:03:17) It’s like, okay, whatever. (2:03:19) So these things do seem to continue and it is funded, right? (2:03:22) Eisenhower spoke of the military-industrial complex and all these other things as well.(2:03:27) Yeah, and Bill. (2:03:38) I lost you there for a second, but we’ve got Justin back in. (2:03:44) Now, Justin is similar to myself, Rack, was a little conserved right-wing, I would say (2:03:50) Republican, neoconnish, like I was at one point.(2:03:56) And we’re starting to dig at him a little bit. (2:03:59) We’re picking at his scabs a little bit. (2:04:00) We’re getting him to wake, you know, to shaking baby syndrome.(2:04:04) And he’s a brilliant man and he has great ideas and his ideas are still sound. (2:04:09) We just have to kind of orient. (2:04:11) So he asked about the U.S. Constitution from a libertarian perspective.(2:04:14) Feel free to answer the question. (2:04:15) Yeah, yeah. (2:04:18) Well, I’m with your other, what is your name, by the way? (2:04:24) Guy in the red shirt.(2:04:26) I’m sorry, I just don’t know. (2:04:27) Oh, I’m Zach. (2:04:29) I’m Zach and down there below me is Andrew.(2:04:32) Okay, I’m with you, but I’m a Lysander Spooner fanatic. (2:04:38) So the Constitution, nobody ever signed and it was the beginning of the end. (2:04:44) Okay.(2:04:45) Not, not the stand that was pulled over on the public, on the population, (2:04:53) create a central government. (2:04:55) It was not signed by anybody, but a few people. (2:04:59) And it wasn’t agreed to by anybody else.(2:05:03) And likewise, it’s not binding in a way. (2:05:07) It’s not legitimate. (2:05:08) Anyway, it’s binding, but only by force.(2:05:11) Right. (2:05:13) So I don’t think that our freedoms and our rights are premised on the Constitution. (2:05:21) We didn’t need a bunch of people in the state to tell us what our rights are.(2:05:26) I mean, where did this shit come from? (2:05:29) All of a sudden, I need you to give me 10 articles, amendments, by the way, to the Constitution. (2:05:35) We’ll get a little appendage, we’ll throw on there your rights. (2:05:39) Give me a fucking break.(2:05:41) I mean, my rights don’t come from that document at all. (2:05:44) They come from, from my intrinsic being. (2:05:48) They’re not about the Constitution.(2:05:52) I don’t, I don’t need the Constitution to tell me what I can and can’t do. (2:05:56) It’s all written in the, in the code of my being and our social and, and, and, and, and (2:06:03) that’s what all the people in the social order say. (2:06:06) There is nothing I need from the Constitution.(2:06:09) It is not lacking. (2:06:11) It’s, it is vastly overstepping. (2:06:16) Now, that being said, it is still a useful tool to use against parents, because whenever they (2:06:23) try to abrogate something, you can say, well, what about this? (2:06:28) What, what about this? (2:06:29) This is what you vow to uphold in defense.(2:06:32) What about this? (2:06:34) You’re, you’re abrogating, you’re, you’re violating this, this, this document that (2:06:40) you said was mining on you. (2:06:42) So, even though I think it’s a scam, it’s still a tool that we can use politically to, (2:06:49) to keep parents at bay as much as possible. (2:06:54) So, yeah.(2:06:57) It’s certainly a blanket statement. (2:07:00) What’s that? (2:07:02) I said it’s certainly a blanket statement. (2:07:05) Yeah.(2:07:08) What do you mean? (2:07:09) I find it interesting, because, because I guess that, that was part of the, part of (2:07:13) the evolution for me too, right? (2:07:15) It’s like, I’m Republican, so I believe in the Bill of Rights, I’m a Constitutionalist, (2:07:18) but then you become this Constitutionalist. (2:07:20) And I met, I met Randall Terry. (2:07:22) He ran for president, I think, for the Constitution Party.(2:07:25) Interesting guy. (2:07:26) But he’s more like a Reaganite than he is a Constitutionalist. (2:07:29) I mean, he’s a little hawkish for a Constitutionalist, right? (2:07:32) Like, it’s a little odd.(2:07:33) So, but you see how these things, Venn diagram and crisscross over, and it’s like, the idea, (2:07:39) each idea matters. (2:07:40) Like, I don’t need to subscribe to four, these four ideas because I’m on this side. (2:07:46) I can, I can be pro this and anti that and semi this and not so much that.(2:07:52) It’s just so odd. (2:07:53) And, you know, even Washington warned, warned of it, right? (2:07:57) He talks about the party system and becoming binary and only these two things. (2:08:01) And then he talks like, government is not eloquence.(2:08:03) Government is force. (2:08:05) Government is force. (2:08:06) He knew it from the day one.(2:08:08) He did not want to be king. (2:08:09) It was, it’s pretty impressive that some of these people had the ideas. (2:08:12) It is great that it was at least the first time it was written down and addressed in (2:08:16) a weird way, but that it has to be is really where we’re at now.(2:08:20) It’s like that had to be written down because these are our birth rights. (2:08:25) They are not, they are human, natural rights. (2:08:27) They are not written to us.(2:08:30) Yeah. (2:08:30) If they’re not given, why did it take them the right? (2:08:33) You know, so I think they’ve received, you know, people might ask what your, your right (2:08:38) precedes the constitute by, you know, obviously it’s in the constitution. (2:08:44) So the constitution itself says there’s a preceding, there’s a preceding right.(2:08:55) Your right precedes the existence of this very document. (2:09:04) It’s, it’s, it’s not something we agreed to, but it is something we can definitely do. (2:09:12) For example, and that’s essentially what Spooner was doing.(2:09:18) He was using it as a tool when he was critiquing it, showing why it’s so wrong and why it’s (2:09:25) such so worthless when at the same time you can use it. (2:09:30) Yeah. (2:09:31) And Jefferson actually understood that too.(2:09:35) When, I mean, cause once he became the third president when he was president, he used it (2:09:41) as a moderator tool and he overstepped a little, little bit here and there. (2:09:45) He probably was the first one to start the endless war scheme with the undeclared wars, (2:09:50) but we’ll, we’ll forgive him. (2:09:53) But at the same time, he utilized it as a means of a moderate, moderate tool, moderator’s (2:10:00) tool.(2:10:01) So, and you could have fast forward, you have Andrew Jackson using it as a moderator’s (2:10:07) tool to eliminate the second bank and make sure that it doesn’t get renewed. (2:10:12) Of course, there’s issues with Jackson as well. (2:10:16) So, yeah.(2:10:20) So, so would you gentlemen would recommend then Spooner to address the question on, on (2:10:25) the constitution? (2:10:26) Any of the constitution questions? (2:10:29) Yes. (2:10:30) Check out Spooner, Justin, Lysander, Spooner. (2:10:36) So, so Doc Rack, we got a little more time here.(2:10:39) Let’s get to know you a little bit. (2:10:40) For people who don’t know you, you were with this group called the, at least you were with (2:10:45) this group called the Mises Caucus, which brought you to prominence within the Libertarian (2:10:49) Party. (2:10:50) Yeah.(2:10:50) Would you like to speak a little bit about, is this Spooner? (2:10:53) Yes. (2:10:53) It is. (2:10:54) By Spooner, I’m trying not to be subjected to moral liberty.(2:10:58) Oh, there it is. (2:10:59) And for spirituality. (2:11:01) So.(2:11:02) Perfect. (2:11:03) Excellent. (2:11:05) So we’ll go from Spooner to Mises only because that’s, that’s the, the caucus that you’re (2:11:10) representing and you came to prominence.(2:11:12) Tell us a little bit about Mises and his perspective on libertarian ideas. (2:11:18) We’ll pick on Mises in the caucus. (2:11:21) Mises, Mises was a, Mises was a, you know, he did some very economic work.(2:11:28) Um, some of the main things that he did, which is what we’re talking about in his work. (2:11:39) One of the main things he did was to, uh, to show that the economic behavior was part (2:11:46) of a bigger, more broad, uh, set of, a set of behaviors called, uh, with a new name, (2:11:57) you know. (2:11:58) Um, he called it, uh, you know, human action was the broader category.(2:12:05) So, you know, economic, economic business was in with this broader category of human (2:12:11) action. (2:12:13) And then he described the science to them, or a set of principles on standard called (2:12:18) practicality. (2:12:19) And, uh, this is great.(2:12:21) Then, of course, he developed the, uh, took on the socialist question with the calculation (2:12:32) problem. (2:12:33) The calculation problem shows that socialism is impossible. (2:12:38) It is, it can’t be, it can’t be established because without prices, you cannot allocate (2:12:43) goods rationally.(2:12:45) And likewise, you’ll have complete ruin if they fail. (2:12:49) So those were his, in my mind, his main contributions. (2:12:54) Yeah.(2:12:55) So that’s Mises. (2:12:57) Now, once again, you’ve got a little bit more of a brand new audience. (2:13:01) Cause like we’ve crossed over and doing some live stuff.(2:13:04) You were a Marxist. (2:13:06) How dare you? (2:13:07) How dare you? (2:13:08) Commie pinko lefty bastard. (2:13:11) Tell how, how, how did that come to be? (2:13:14) Cause you’re an intellect.(2:13:15) Did the intellect start? (2:13:17) Is that how he got corrupted? (2:13:19) Oh yeah. (2:13:20) We have a Marxist and a Nazi in here. (2:13:26) That’s the question.(2:13:28) It’s Nazi and the Marxist walking to a bar. (2:13:31) Well, and they become libertarian. (2:13:33) I have an opinion.(2:13:35) Let me just say this. (2:13:38) I’ll talk about what comes first. (2:13:40) Let me say first that, yeah, I’ve got a few clue on the intellectual basis by Marx.(2:13:49) Uh, I was not a Marxist until I went to graduate school. (2:13:57) Um, I had some, you know, I had bumped up against it before that a little bit. (2:14:05) And this basically just, I didn’t care about that.(2:14:09) I thought it was, first of all, they kept valorizing the working class. (2:14:14) And like I said, I don’t want to be in the working class. (2:14:18) So don’t, I don’t want to valorize.(2:14:20) If I was in the working class, that’s where I came from. (2:14:22) I was trying to get out. (2:14:24) Okay.(2:14:25) So, um, this whole valorization of the working class, it’s just, I was like, I don’t want that. (2:14:33) Uh, but then I went to graduate school and I thought I was, I just wanted to be a doctor (2:14:38) in the state, but I ended up getting into this Marxism amongst other theories, all kinds (2:14:45) of modern theory and feminism and so forth. (2:14:50) But Marxism was a wonder.(2:14:52) And the fact is, he notes that, uh, mostly as you said it, it was good intellectual grist. (2:14:59) It was good grist for the grinding. (2:15:04) And, uh, but also there was, there was also like, uh, it was kind of an implicit (2:15:15) message was given you as a graduate student.(2:15:18) You had no future in this field if you weren’t a leftist of some sort or another. (2:15:27) Getting that implicit, that implicit message, it was very clear. (2:15:31) It couldn’t be like, like right wing or right wing libertarians.(2:15:37) You wouldn’t be out there. (2:15:39) That’s right. (2:15:40) You know, they did throw people out for things like that.(2:15:43) I saw the implicit message in the program in a way that they were not leftists. (2:15:53) Well, and I really wanted that kind of life. (2:15:56) That seemed to be the best path.(2:15:58) So I, you know, I ended up with the great thing about Marxism, I thought it was a more (2:16:03) ethical system. (2:16:05) Uh, because I thought like Marx did, like he proclaimed that capitalism was inherently (2:16:14) exploitative and that the worker was exploited at the point of production every, every day, (2:16:22) every minute of every day. (2:16:24) I thought that was wrong.(2:16:26) Uh, and I thought that, uh, that had to be overthrown. (2:16:31) I just, uh, when I come to it now, I realized I still have a class here in society. (2:16:41) I just don’t think that the classes are what they were portrayed as.(2:16:45) As a matter of fact, Marxism portrays the capitalist class as the enemy, and the way (2:16:51) of combating it is through the state itself. (2:16:57) Marxism actually contributes to the class, to the ruling class. (2:17:03) That’s the irony of all irony.(2:17:05) Marxism contributes to the power ideologically and, uh, narratively wise. (2:17:13) You know, ideologically, politically, it contributes to the power of the actual ruling (2:17:18) class, which is the state and the state and its beneficiaries and accomplices. (2:17:25) That’s the ruling class.(2:17:27) So, I still have a class theory of society. (2:17:31) I’m still a radical. (2:17:32) I was a radical then.(2:17:34) I’m just a more, I’m a more, I’m a corrected radical. (2:17:37) I’m the one that I think I have it right. (2:17:41) Um, I think that the other form of radicalism is the Rosely mistaken, and, uh, that it is, (2:17:49) uh, actually dangerous.(2:17:51) It’s dangerous, and it’s, uh, it contributes to the very oppression, uh, it contributes (2:17:58) to oppression. (2:18:00) I mean, there’s no other entity on earth that can take, well, other than straight up (2:18:05) tea, you know, on the street or from some shenanigans in business. (2:18:12) But nobody else is legitimately wrong from the old period.(2:18:19) Who else can take your money without an agreement? (2:18:21) Who? (2:18:23) Nothing, but the state. (2:18:24) The state is the only entity that can take your wealth without any agreement. (2:18:31) No gains, nothing.(2:18:33) You can force someone into a contract with them at the point of a death. (2:18:44) So, that’s how I got out of market. (2:18:48) It was a long, it wasn’t, it wasn’t that simple.(2:18:51) It was, no, it was instant. (2:18:53) But then, how I got to the position I have now wasn’t exactly just easy. (2:18:59) Um, there was some stages along the way.(2:19:02) I had to go through, uh, this whole first, you know, basic civil, libertarian, basic (2:19:14) individual rights of ownership of my body and my mind and my mouth, you know, and whatever (2:19:21) I wanted to say. (2:19:22) So, first, I had to understand civil libertarianism, but then I got into economic libertarianism, (2:19:28) and I got political libertarianism, and then I got to anarchism, yeah, anarchist capitalism. (2:19:37) Yeah, so, and I came all the way from Marxism to Hitler.(2:19:43) That’s a long trek, but I always do think it is. (2:19:48) It is. (2:19:50) And it’s funny, I always think of Michael Malice, like, we talk about a couple of Michael (2:19:54) Malice points, like, smartest dogs are the easiest to train.(2:19:59) Yeah. (2:20:01) And that midwit, that midwit intellectual, and I, you know, I am only guilty of it, because (2:20:07) I know your intellect. (2:20:09) I can tell it’s above mine, for sure, and I’m reaching.(2:20:13) But, you know, I’m still in that midwit level. (2:20:15) I could be so easily coerced to think, to buy my own bullshit, if it was wrapped smart (2:20:21) enough. (2:20:22) Yeah, I mean, the other thing is, you know, like, for example, in Europe, from roughly (2:20:33) 1970, especially around, like, the 1920s to the 1970s, the only real reputable intellectual (2:20:48) position to hold in Europe, all of Europe, was Marx, by the way, all of Europe.(2:20:54) Anybody that wasn’t a Marxist was held in district two. (2:21:02) Then they managed to export that to all of intellectual class. (2:21:09) So they thought that if you weren’t a Marxist, there was something efficient about you.(2:21:15) That’s what they, that’s what they, that’s what they suggested. (2:21:18) So this, this became, like, a thing you had to buy, if you wanted to be regarded in any (2:21:28) way as a positive thinker, you know, like a thinker worth listening to. (2:21:32) That’s, that’s what they did.(2:21:34) So I bought into it and, you know, I mean, it took shock. (2:21:39) It took, like, a trauma to do. (2:21:43) That’s what’s, that’s, that is what is interesting about Marxist thought and where it (2:21:49) certainly gravitates towards.(2:21:51) It’s like, the point, the whole broad stroke of it is embraced by the intellectual, like, (2:21:59) high society class, but they wrap it around, like, it’s this fight for the working class (2:22:05) against the state. (2:22:06) And, you know, I mean, you can kind of tell, like, wait a second, are we really fighting (2:22:12) the system here? (2:22:14) Like, why, why is the focus the intellectuals? (2:22:17) Yes, that’s right. (2:22:19) So what it does then.(2:22:21) Because the stupid people can’t rule themselves, silly. (2:22:25) Duh. (2:22:26) Let them eat cake.(2:22:29) And then there’s the people. (2:22:31) If they can find it. (2:22:32) Right.(2:22:34) So that are coming from different stages. (2:22:37) So they try to emulate the thinking of the elite. (2:22:41) Okay, this is, this is how it works.(2:22:43) This is how they attract people into their regions. (2:22:47) They, they get you to emulate their, their thought, their thinking. (2:22:52) And they use flattery also to induce you to accept.(2:22:56) Okay. (2:22:58) So if you think the right things, they’ll flatter you to death. (2:23:03) Okay.(2:23:04) But if you think the wrong things, they will shame you to shit. (2:23:09) I woke up in New York. (2:23:11) And I thought to myself, I got out of bed, I took a shower.(2:23:15) I thought to myself, if I start saying what I think, I’m going to, all hell is going to (2:23:20) break loose at this university. (2:23:23) And I, and I did. (2:23:25) Then I said those things.(2:23:26) And all hell broke loose indeed. (2:23:29) So, uh, those things were exactly what kind of things were saying is that I started to (2:23:37) see that the, um, that the ideal, the ideology that I would embrace is actually the ideology (2:23:48) of the elite class. (2:23:51) And that they were impressive.(2:23:54) And I, when I spoke up, they trust, they tried to trust me. (2:23:59) And when I said things that they didn’t agree with, they really went after me. (2:24:03) So it showed me that I hit the central power line.(2:24:14) Well, gentlemen, we’ve been, we’ve been at this for two and a half hours. (2:24:18) Wow. (2:24:19) Zach and I didn’t even plan this.(2:24:21) We walked, we jumped on to three minutes ahead. (2:24:23) We’re like, what are we going to talk about? (2:24:25) I don’t know. (2:24:27) Two and a half hours later, guys, that’s what ideas do.(2:24:30) All right. (2:24:30) Dr. Recknowell, thank you for joining us. (2:24:33) Everyone share your stuff.(2:24:34) I’m going to hit mute for a bit, but everyone talk, talk a little about yourself, share (2:24:37) how we can see 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we’re working on coming out. (2:26:34) And, uh, I have no podcast.(2:26:36) I don’t do podcasts. (2:26:37) It’s on my workday. (2:26:40) But, uh, yeah.(2:26:42) Thank you so much for doing it. (2:26:47) Thank you for coming, for showing your face. (2:26:50) Thank you.(2:26:50) It was great. (2:26:51) It was a very pleasant surprise. (2:26:54) We didn’t, Andrew was a surprise.(2:26:56) Andrew was, it was all great. (2:26:59) Thank you. (2:26:59) Everyone who joined us.(2:27:02) Thank you again. (2:27:03) We do have the League of Ordinary Gentlemen. (2:27:05) I think in two weeks we’ll keep that.(2:27:06) We’ll keep everyone posted there next week. (2:27:08) Guys, uh, drop the mask. (2:27:10) Jason and I are doing another, uh, consciously unmasked, I think.(2:27:13) And we’ve got the book. (2:27:15) We’ve got the Scott Horton provoked. (2:27:16) Uh, week six is coming up on Monday, man.(2:27:20) We got three more episodes of that and it’s getting, it’s getting up to the end where (2:27:25) Ukraine and Russia are starting to get mad at each other again. (2:27:29) It’s pretty amazing. (2:27:30) Gentlemen.(2:27:31) Zach, thank you so much for doing this with me, man. (2:27:33) You were dedicated the whole time. (2:27:34) Andrew, thank you for surprising us.(2:27:36) Dr. (2:27:37) Rack, thanks for joining us. (2:27:38) Everyone go to the Gibson. (2:27:39) Go.(2:27:40) Thank you. (2:27:40) Thank you. (2:27:41) Thank you again.(2:27:42) I’m going to hit end stream here, guys, but let’s stay on for after that. (2:27:45) Everyone check the Gibson. (2:27:46) Go Gibson.(2:27:47) Go Gibson. (2:27:48) Go. (2:27:50) All right.(2:27:50) I got to hit end here before I sound, look stupid.