Mark welcomes Amy Bohn of PERK. We focus on CA AB1955, which was on the governor’s desk on Thursday, 7/11/2024, when we had the conversation. Governor Newsom signed this atrocious bill into law on Monday, 7/15/2024.
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Mark welcomes Amy Bohn of PERK. We focus on CA AB1955, which was on the governor’s desk on Thursday, 7/11/2024, when we had the conversation. Governor Newsom signed this atrocious bill into law on Monday, 7/15/2024.
Website: https://www.perk-group.com/
X: @PERK_GROUP
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(0:00) Hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of Knocked (0:03) Conscious. Today, the pleasure of speaking with Amy bond of (0:06) perk actually had this conversation with her last (0:09) Thursday, July 11. And there was a bill a B 1955.It was on (0:14) Governor Newsom’s desk about banning consent or even (0:18) information or sharing of information to parents. It was (0:21) an atrocious bill. And what’s interesting is by the time I (0:25) was even able to cut and share this today, one week later, the (0:30) bill was already signed into law on Monday, the 15th of July.(0:33) So here’s the conversation. My heart is breaking and really (0:38) hurts for the parents in California. But the conversation (0:42) from Amy was vitally important.Please share her information. (0:46) She was a great conversation. And she has so much information (0:49) and she wants to help the children.Please help her if you (0:52) can. Please listen to this conversation was such an (0:54) amazing conversation. Here it is.I hope you enjoy it. What is (0:59) First of all, Amy bond? Yes. Well, perk.Yes. Yes. We’re on (1:05) Knocked Conscious. We’re here to open up the consciousness of (1:08) people expose them to some shenanigans afoot. All right. (1:12) Yes.I understand you protect children with perk. Yes. So tell (1:15) us about it.Yes. So so we’re protection of the educational (1:18) rights of kids. We protect children, we protect parental (1:21) rights.And then part of our core mission is also protecting (1:25) medical freedom, you know, health freedom, your body, your ability (1:27) to choose what goes in your body or not everything. So yeah, and (1:31) constitutional rights, which are all connected to parental (1:33) rights and children, children’s issues, too. Okay, yeah, well, (1:36) let’s dive into a B 1955.First, before we forget, yes. So I (1:40) understand there’s a bill in the California. Yes.So okay, so (1:44) California, as people hopefully are consciously aware, is always (1:50) the is always the ground ground zero for huge issues. Okay, (1:55) whenever we see these things happening in California, they’re (1:57) often going to be in another state as a regulatory of some (2:00) sort of government regulatory piece coming in and doing (2:03) something in doing something. And in this instance, this is (2:06) one of the most atrocious bills that undermines parental rights.(2:11) And what a B 1955 does is it’s a bill that specifically prohibits (2:17) parental notification at schools. I know, I know, it’s so (2:21) bad. Related to a child’s gender identity, gender (2:26) expression, sexuality, anything related to that name change (2:31) anything in that that space.So this bill prohibits bans, (2:36) parental notification related to that. So it also creates a (2:40) secret file. So basically, what that if, if, yes, by that, let’s (2:44) unfold what a ban on the protection of unfolding, like, (2:47) it’s like triple negative, right, right.So a ban. So (2:49) basically, we’ll tell you that there is a ban that the parents (2:53) are not made aware of any of these kinds of they’re not (2:57) notified, they’re not informed or not giving consent there. They (3:01) have no idea they’re completely blocked from having any (3:06) knowledge of what may be going on with their child in this (3:10) space of gender identity.So for example, Johnny walks out the (3:15) door, yes, got his ball cap on his shirt, whatever it comes (3:19) back and address the next, the next, the afternoon, the same (3:22) day, nothing, no call to the parents, nothing. It’s Johnny’s (3:26) now Julie or something, for example. I know, that’s a really (3:29) accelerated grooming, obviously, but (3:31) so that’s so that’s an that is an example of what we’re (3:35) talking about.It’s so much more serious, because these children (3:40) also can be given referral services from the school to (3:45) outside third parties, such as Planned Parenthood, where they (3:49) can actually have treatments in, you know, have gender identity (3:53) and gender (3:54) affirming care. (3:56) Yeah, transitioning the minors with treatments at these types of (3:59) facilities. So all of that would be blocked from parents (4:03) knowledge, they would have no idea this is happening.And, and (4:06) then also the problem is to it creates a culture at school that (4:10) is harmful to the parent child relationship, because it promotes (4:14) secrecy, right? It also harms the parent teacher relationship, (4:19) which is supposed to have a trusting, you know, really good (4:23) relationship as well as the parent teacher relationship. So (4:27) all three of those really important areas that are (4:30) essential for a child’s well being and development is (4:33) impacted and harmed based on this type of horrible policy and (4:37) bill that they’re introducing. So right now, the bill is on the (4:41) governor’s desk.And we’re hoping that he would veto the (4:45) bill, but I don’t think yes. So it so it passed. It passed (4:49) through, you know, the different steps to become a law.But the (4:52) thing that people don’t know about is they rushed it through (4:55) in a kind of a tricky process, a deceptive process called a gut (4:58) and amend. And essentially, the the language of the bill that (5:03) started in the first house of the legislative body was not (5:08) what we’re seeing. (5:09) It was amended before it even got there, but it’s passed, it (5:11) already passed this part.So they don’t have to go back to (5:14) recertify that part. Yeah, so stupid, right? They can research (5:17) they can read what I wrote on it, but they didn’t. So they have (5:21) the option to exactly so a lot of what we’re seeing on the (5:25) governor’s desk, many of the legislators that passed in the (5:28) first house, they didn’t pass the same bill, right? You (5:31) understand? I would guess that some of them are even now (5:34) speaking out going I this isn’t the one I signed off on because (5:37) they have to worry about their constituents as well.(5:38) Right? Well, you would hope that would be the case. But (5:41) unfortunately, I think there’s it, I think let me tell you what (5:45) I think is really happening. Yeah, I think that there are (5:48) more legislators, Democrats, Republicans, all of all party (5:52) backgrounds that don’t like these kinds of policies.I think some (5:56) of them are being quiet about it, because they’re towing the (5:59) party line. And they’re not necessarily being true to their (6:03) principles. They have children, you know, Democrat, Republican, (6:06) independent families, real families, you know, they have (6:08) kids and they want to be able to protect their children.So I (6:12) think some of them are quiet, but don’t like this. And then (6:15) there have been one or two, we’ve been grateful for them (6:18) actually speaking loud and directly about it. Assembly (6:22) Member Bill O’Salley, he’s been very outspoken for parental (6:26) rights, and actually tried to pass a bill last year, that was (6:30) in favor of protecting parental notification.So, you know, but (6:35) the thing I was going to say is, when it passed the first (6:37) house, not like this, different language, they then did a gut (6:41) and amend. So basically changed the wording of the bill, right? (6:45) Gut and amend, makes total sense. (6:47) Gut and amend, but it didn’t go back to the house to re-read and (6:52) to re-vote it on.(6:53) That’s generally, that’s the process. (6:55) Exactly. So they rushed it through.But I’m going to tell (6:58) you why I think they did this. There has been a grassroots, I (7:04) would say, a consciousness, to use your word, parents have been (7:09) really rising up at the grassroots level to stop this (7:13) kind of thing from happening. School districts have come out (7:16) with parental notification policies that are in favor of (7:19) informing parents about everything.And frankly, that’s (7:22) our stance is, to be honest with you, parents should be knowing (7:26) about, know about everything. This isn’t just about gender. (7:30) This is about how is your child’s well-being on every (7:33) aspect of their life.We should, you know, it should be, a (7:37) parent should know about everything and be informed about (7:39) it. Parents typically in California, they have to know and (7:43) give permission for the kid to have sunscreen on, right? (7:46) Or in some cases, right? (7:48) Yeah, I think you have to be 18 to have a tattoo. You have to be (7:51) an adult.But I think what’s happening is there’s this (7:54) grassroots, you know, freedom and awareness happening with (8:00) parents. And there was a ballot initiative called Protect Kids (8:03) Act, that had really been rallying on this issue to put (8:08) into California law via the ballot, a vote from the people (8:12) that parental notification would be protected, and bypassing the (8:16) legislative process. But I think that awareness that’s been (8:20) growing, combined with something else that happened just a couple (8:24) of months ago, the Attorney General of California, under (8:28) oath, mind you, under oath, he actually said, Attorney General (8:36) Bonta said that school boards are not required to follow his (8:41) school secrecy policies.Now, under oath, the reason why that’s (8:45) significant is because I think it showed all of those (8:50) legislators and the Attorney General and the governor that (8:52) they can’t get around the law. So what did they do? They tried (8:56) to make a new law, do you see? And that law would do the (9:00) opposite of what all the parents have been trying to protect, (9:03) which would remove parental notification. (9:05) It’s like a censorship.It’s almost a censorship from the (9:08) parents. I mean, we’re seeing 1984 just all the way down, (9:13) right? (9:13) Oh my gosh. Actually, I’m speaking tomorrow, and my class (9:18) is titled, my breakout session is titled, you know, 1984, how (9:23) California basically is like 1984.And but what Perk did to (9:27) help stop that from taking hold in the state. So yeah, so that’s (9:31) it. That’s AB 1955.It’s terrible. (9:34) That’s awful. Terrible.That’s not even terrible. It’s just (9:37) atrocious. It’s evil.It’s just pure evil. It’s like, it’s funny. (9:40) I used to say pure evil.I don’t say pure evil anymore. I say raw (9:43) evil. Pure has a purity to it.And there’s nothing pure about (9:47) the evil, right? It’s just a raw evil. It’s not. It’s just… (9:50) It is.Anytime you’re harming the family unit like this, I (9:56) think that that’s so dangerous. And to undermine that sacred (10:01) relationship between parents and their children, you know, the (10:05) nothing should come between between a parent and their child (10:08) and a parent knows best, you know, moms and dads and those (10:13) guardians, grand, beloved grandparents, they know what’s (10:15) best. And this is I think one thing that needs to be clarified (10:18) is this is not a transphobic issue.(10:20) Certainly not. The protection of children. I love how people (10:23) take protection of children and then just glum it onto a label (10:27) of it’s this one issue.(10:29) Right, right. It’s not. That’s just a stigma and a distraction (10:32) from the real issue, which is we’re saying parents should be (10:36) notified about everything.You pick any conversation, any (10:40) topic, any, you know, category, we think parents should be (10:44) notified about all of them. Right. So that doesn’t, you (10:48) know, I just think that they’re so out of touch with a bill like (10:51) this, but it’s exploits children.(10:53) And it makes you wonder, is it out of touch? Or is it once (10:55) again, is it this thought process? Because there’s been (10:57) attack on the family for decades, right? I mean, we talk (11:01) about the welfare state on helping single parents, (11:04) initially, allowing single parenthood to almost (11:08) exponentially skyrocket, right? It’s that kind of stuff. (11:10) Yeah, yeah, this is a systemic, systemic where, you know, (11:14) children are at school, and they’re being indoctrinated with (11:18) so many things, so many values and things that are not (11:20) consistent with their home values. But they’re being pushed (11:23) on kids while also this whole idea that you can’t trust your (11:28) mom and dad, you can’t talk to your mom and dad, your mom and (11:30) dad are the bad guy.Right. And I think that that has been, you (11:35) know, increasing definitely, because I think there’s a bigger (11:37) agenda at hand to separate children from their, their (11:40) parents. And one of the weirdest that you mentioned that hiding (11:43) thing, the one, the one thing I just mentioned, that was really (11:46) interesting, was the one thing I found interesting is hiding (11:51) from the parents is the children are hiding from their parents, (11:54) but they’re more than exposing themselves.They’re exposing (11:58) their child, like they don’t even understand what privacy is. (12:00) Yet they’re keeping it from the parents, right? Which is the one (12:03) group that you need. (12:06) The love and support doesn’t even make it.It’s so (12:10) counterproductive. I agree with you. And the thing is, I have (12:13) three children.Okay, I have, you know, currently, my kids are (12:17) junior high, high school and I’m college age, son. And I can tell (12:23) you from firsthand experience that those teenage years are so (12:27) difficult for any kid, you know, and any parent just not because (12:32) like, I have amazing children, but it’s more so that they’re (12:35) trying to figure out who they are. (12:36) And you’re trying to help them in your way.And you’ve got your (12:39) biases. You never know, right? There’s always that. (12:42) But, but they’re trying to figure out their identity.(12:44) They’re trying to figure out, you know, how they fit in the (12:47) world. They’re trying to figure out how they, that they feel (12:50) insecure about all kinds of things. And there’s just (12:52) challenges that happen with friends.So that entire age of (12:56) life needs parental love and support and nurturing. And so to (13:02) interfere with that with such a terrible kind of policy like (13:07) this is so detrimental to children. And the thing about it (13:12) too is the is really is really the kids need their parents, you (13:18) know, so if they’re going through something, again, pick a (13:22) topic, pick anything, even outside of kind of, you know, (13:25) the gender identity thing, parent, the kids need their (13:27) parents.And they’re better off having their parents involved to (13:31) support and love them. (13:32) I did think about one other thing. It’s coming off of Spike (13:36) Cohen had a conversation.He was talking about the human (13:38) respect. And he’s talking about that the family who had their (13:41) child taken from them. (13:43) Oh, I’m so there’s a family.Husband, wife, two children. And (13:49) one of the children woke up and had like a rash or some kind of (13:51) thing. It turned out ultimately be an autoimmune thing.But the (13:55) first doctor said it was abuse. (13:56) Mm hmm. Where was this? Which one? I forget what state that (14:00) one is.I can clarify. Right. Could be anywhere.It could be (14:03) anywhere, actually. But but spike works with them with you (14:06) are the power. What it was was they know they took the child (14:10) away.That’s just separated. The parents couldn’t even talk to (14:14) each other. Oh my gosh.So you might want to have a (14:16) conversation with it. But this is then he finds out because they (14:19) saw the child as a dollar sign from the beginning because if (14:22) you call it abuse, and then it goes to the next stage, they get (14:25) funded for that horrible. And I see that.And I mean, it is in (14:28) this case, it is the trans specific case, because that (14:32) involves cost of hormone therapy, and surgery and treatments and (14:36) all those other right. So I’m wondering if if that’s really (14:39) the driving factor of all this, not the ideology, because we use (14:43) our compassion against us. Right? Right.Right. Yeah. Use (14:47) our right.Don’t you want to help children? Well, this would (14:50) affirming care, Jennifer, you what you are, we have to, we (14:55) have to help children be confident who they are, as they (14:58) are, right now, they can still be who, right, an adult, they can (15:01) be whoever they are, but they’re still children. And they’re (15:03) minors. Yes.Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that’s, that’s so sad to (15:08) hear that story. I’m not surprised.And when it comes to (15:12) dollar signs, you are right, that oftentimes, there’s a (15:15) bigger industry that is pushing policy, whether it’s vaccine (15:20) policy, or what you’re talking about, you know, like with this (15:23) AB 95, and treatments and stuff related to gender things. But (15:27) the issue is, anytime you have lots of money involved, there’s (15:33) a tendency for that to corrupt, and to really exploit a group, (15:38) right? We saw that happen with the COVID vaccine, right? Like, (15:42) PERC is extremely involved in that kind of stuff, too, with (15:45) did you do that? Yeah, did you do that with how you register (15:48) deaths as COVID deaths versus was it was that one comedy thing (15:52) is like fell on out of the sky. He was skydiving, he parachuted (15:56) and he died of COVID, right? It was Rob Schneider.That was so (16:01) funny. That was the funniest. It was just, it was hilarious.(16:04) Right. But you’re right. That’s a good example of how the they (16:08) were misreporting COVID deaths, because they were trying to (16:13) bloat the numbers.And they were trying to manipulate fear, (16:16) excuse me, in the minds of people on what was going on (16:20) with during that time. And, and in order to, excuse me, to (16:25) control them and force mandates, right? Our involvement in (16:30) California, specifically during the time of COVID was so (16:33) significant, we actually sued different schools, we’ve, we (16:37) still have some several lawsuits in play. We have about (16:39) nine happening right now.We thought we sought filed a (16:43) lawsuit against the city of Beverly Hills, Los Angeles (16:46) County, San Diego, and our lawsuits actually pushed back (16:51) against those mandates on everybody. So much of the point (16:55) that we want. So we won some of the school suits, we, San Diego (17:01) had to drop their mandate.(17:03) Okay, this is a mandate, right? Is this for mandating vaccines (17:05) for children? Is that what I would do? (17:07) Both mandating vaccines for children, mandating vaccines on (17:11) all of the healthcare workers, first responders, because (17:14) really, what they did is they tried to mandate the COVID shot (17:16) on everybody and tried to have a vaccine passport to go along (17:20) with it. Plus proof of vaccination. And then at one (17:24) point in 2022, in California, we were heavily involved in this as (17:28) well.We were one of the organizations leading a lot of (17:31) work against these bad bills that would have removed funding (17:36) from the law enforcement and give it to the health department (17:41) related to all the stuff like if they didn’t follow the health (17:43) orders, which are not laws, and they can’t force them, right. So (17:47) I mean, we, oh, and censorship. Censorship has been a huge (17:51) thing also happening where these legislators have tried to take (17:55) away, you know, religious rights, you know, speech, (17:59) mandate, all kinds of crazy stuff, which really the issue (18:02) with that is it removes our bodily sovereignty and autonomy, (18:07) you know, if we’re not free to choose what goes in our own body, (18:10) we are not free.(18:11) Yeah, if we’re all compelled speech is the other one. It’s (18:14) like, I remember Jordan Peterson back in the day, the c12 bill in (18:17) Canada or whatever is about mandatory calling someone how (18:22) they wish to be called, right? That’s just sounds (18:25) counterproductive, because there’s no fixed way in knowing (18:28) how you want to be called day to day or tomorrow, right? Now, (18:31) as a social contract between two people, I’m like, I know you, (18:34) Amy, and I mispronounced your name, and you corrected me, I (18:37) created this is a social contract. And now I’m going to (18:40) use bond, because that’s what it is.Yeah. But if I you know (18:43) what I mean? But that’s how that’s almost a closure of that (18:46) loop is that there has to be a feedback, right out that (18:48) feedback to show how detrimental, right, authoritative (18:52) and whatever it is, then it’s impossible to correct almost (18:56) right. And I think there’s a difference between personal (18:59) relationships where you’re in having respectful conversation (19:02) and dialogue and human connection, then systemically, (19:08) or at, you know, these institutional levels forcing (19:12) some type of form of speech, or censoring speech, or, you know, (19:17) that that’s the difference.You know, there’s not we’re not (19:19) talking about just respecting each other. We’re talking about (19:22) forcing parents and children and people into a certain way, (19:29) while punishing them, coercing them, penalizing them if they (19:33) don’t comply with that way. Right.And that’s so anti small (19:37) libertarian. It’s like, yeah, what happened to you? pursuit of (19:40) happiness is my pursuit doesn’t even plead on yours. It’s not (19:43) that difficult to get along.Right, right. You know, it’s (19:46) funny, because he going back to the spike conversation, just (19:49) because it hadn’t have a child involved, maybe you shouldn’t (19:51) speak with him, because he does a lot of great work. So it is (19:54) the most saddening story.But like, just speaking, it’s like (19:58) hearing that, you know, it’s crazy. Yeah, so yeah, well, if (20:01) Oh, I was gonna say, you know, and the thing too, I don’t think (20:05) people realize how, how much they actually can do to make a (20:09) difference on any of these things we’re talking about. You (20:12) know, we have helped people take action via these very simple, (20:17) you know, campaigns, where we draft a letter for them, they (20:20) hit like a quick click button, and it sends a letter to the (20:24) governor or legislators or the school board.And we’ve been (20:27) able to send I think it’s been over 3 million actions just in (20:31) like the past two years, on all these kinds of issues. And that (20:35) magnitude of the people responding, meaning we the (20:39) people and those people are taking action and sending (20:41) tweets and all that, at that level, really makes a difference (20:46) because one voice matters. But when you take that one voice, (20:51) synergistically with millions of, you know, actions going to (20:54) all of these people who are making these policies, all of a (20:57) sudden, they say, Oh, wait a second, it doesn’t look like (21:00) the people really support this or that.And I think it’s just (21:05) essential for people to say something, you know, whatever (21:08) influence they have, (21:09) it really, and I’ve always come from that compassion side is (21:11) like, we, the way they approach it, they get us by our heart (21:15) strings, because like, don’t you want to help? Don’t you want (21:18) to help? And you’re like, I want, right? Yes. But you’re telling (21:21) me that’s the way that doesn’t mean that’s the way just because (21:25) you want the compassion, right? That’s the way to get to the (21:27) compassion. Yeah, you’re right.The compassion component. That (21:30) is what they did, especially during the COVID lockdown era (21:33) where the era and era grandma. Yeah, you’re the burden of (21:39) harming your grandparents was put on our children.Yes. Now we (21:43) didn’t put that on our children personally, but the state or (21:46) whatever, the messaging was, you’re going to kill grandma and (21:50) grandpa, if you don’t comply with this thing or that thing. (21:54) And so you’re right, they used people’s compassion, and the (21:57) good nature of human beings to want to care about, you know, (22:01) your family and your friends and your children and your your (22:03) parents and your grandparents, and manipulated it, right? Like (22:07) you have to do this.So that right. And at what point in (22:11) history, have we ever put the burden of the elderly on our (22:16) children? Like I’m talking about we’ve always protected, (22:18) right? We’ve always been top down. Yes.We are supposed to (22:21) be protecting our young ones, you know, our kids and that (22:25) generation, rather than the now I’m not saying we shouldn’t be (22:29) sensitive and compassionate to but but yeah, passion, there’s (22:33) the tough love aspect of compassion to right, right. You (22:37) made a mistake. Yeah, a mistake has a consequence.You don’t (22:39) get out of this free, right gonna be a cost, whatever it (22:42) costs is, unfortunately, you’re gonna have to pay that cost and (22:45) move forward. Right. And that’s how we move forward.We never (22:48) get there. You know, we kind of jump these skip. We’re skip (22:50) steppers.We’re skip steppers. Yeah. So I mean, with all that (22:54) being said, you know, perk is just doing phenomenal things in (22:57) California.We have an amazing staff and team. We have (23:00) volunteers. We have great partnerships and collaborations (23:03) with other organizations.And we’re working together to make a (23:07) difference on all these issues. And like I said, we filed (23:10) lawsuits, we do a lot of advocacy work where we teach (23:13) other people how to do what we do. Yeah.So everybody can do (23:15) it. We are utilizing awareness and education on any of these (23:22) like we talked about AB 1955. How many people know what’s (23:25) really happening with that? That’s a kind of educational (23:27) awareness component.I didn’t know there was a ban. There was (23:30) a literal ban from telling to tell not tell a ban, a ban from (23:35) telling parents think of it like a gag order, you know, for your (23:38) family for your you. I doesn’t even it doesn’t even register.(23:43) Right? Like, yeah, isn’t that it doesn’t register because it’s so (23:49) it’s so opposite of what is really good for a child, right? (23:52) Anybody with a brain can, you know, lean into that a child (23:58) needs their parents, right? And vice versa. Parents are there to (24:02) raise their children, and they have a right to do that. That’s (24:04) a fundamental right that they have that’s constitutionally (24:06) protected.So, yeah, I think, I think people, I would say this (24:12) to what happens in California impacts the entire country does (24:16) right. And I think what happened in California, I think what (24:18) actually woke the parents up in general, if I may, yeah, was (24:21) actually that FBI attack that that letter from Garland that (24:24) email from Garland calling the parents terrorists at the at (24:27) the teacher stuff. I think it’s that I think it was that event (24:30) because it had to break before it.California kind of just keep (24:33) holding on and you need it to snap somewhere. And that was (24:36) right. One of those events I thought was a snapping event for (24:39) us to be like, whoa, like a total Keanu Reeves matrix.Whoa, (24:44) was that maybe? Yeah, 20 to 2221 22. You’re right where Garland (24:49) written that drafted that notice in Virginia, where they thrown (24:51) out those people. Okay, okay, right.And you know, what’s (24:54) crazy is that actually happened in California in 2019. When Perk (24:58) was for me, that’s the beaker in the coal mine. Absolutely.(25:03) Absolutely. Just like Sweden is the head leads us. Yeah, (25:06) California.Yes. Progressive. Yes.And they they did that to (25:09) parents who were going up to the Capitol in Sacramento by the (25:13) 1000s. And they were just advocating for their kids who (25:16) had medical exemptions to vaccines to be able to keep (25:20) those medical exemptions with their, you know, doctor, patient (25:22) relationships and all that. And they literally I was I’m gonna (25:25) tell you, I was there.I put the Capitol and I saw the (25:29) peaceful protests, the peaceful parents, the great dialogue (25:34) gathering of people for a common cause. Exactly. But they the (25:38) media and so a couple of the legislators flipped it on (25:41) purpose gaslit the parents.And the message was those parents (25:46) were really terrorists. What? This is insane. Like it’s like (25:52) black is white and white is black.Everything’s upside down (25:55) on what reality really is. And so that was another. That’s when (26:00) it started.Yeah, there is the messaging. That would be California (26:03) and that would be the national and so you had a you had a once (26:06) again a canary in the coal mine event. And then yes, exactly.And (26:08) it does tend to do that. Yeah. So yeah.So yeah. So let’s talk (26:12) about that. So tell me once again, Amy Bond, thank you so (26:15) much for for joining us on Knocked Conscious.I at underscore (26:20) underscore infinite zeal. Joel Elwood is a friend of mine. He (26:23) would he actually put this on Twitter, California bill curb (26:28) sex, or I’m sorry, California bill to curb sex child (26:32) trafficking declared unfair to LGBTQ.Tell me about that. What (26:38) are your thoughts on that crazy headline? (26:42) Okay, so first, some of my thoughts are number one, to (26:48) conflate anything with child sex trafficking, any of that space (26:53) as not beneficial to another group or harmful to another (26:56) group, I’m sorry, but we’re talking about sex trafficking of (27:00) minors and children, right? So that in and of itself is so (27:04) agree, egregious, and harmful and horrific, that every single (27:10) group of people and every single legislator, policymaker, you (27:14) name it, should be aligned in principle with protecting (27:17) children from being sex trafficked. Right? Regardless of (27:20) Yeah, label.Yeah, exactly. I mean, it’d be like saying (27:24) Democrats are right. It’s that hurts Democrats that sex (27:27) trafficking is illegal.It’s absolutely it’s, it’s outrageous. (27:30) So we actually know the senator that brought forward this good (27:34) legislation last year, and this year and what what the (27:38) legislation is supposed to do is it’s it’s essentially supposed (27:41) to go after the perpetrators that are trying to sell, you (27:47) know, sell children, right? So how is that related to LGBTQ? (27:53) And I don’t get that. And to be honest with you, I really think (27:57) that they that that message is not accurate.I have a lot of (28:03) it’s intentionally, intentionally misleading. We (28:06) have a lot of, actually, we have several groups that we work (28:09) with, gays against groomers, gen spec, there’s some fantastic (28:13) groups out there who are LGBTQ. And they do not support the harm (28:19) that is happening to children.They do not. They are not for (28:22) it. They do not stand alongside these policies.They are (28:25) speaking out against it. If you’ve seen gays against (28:28) groomers, like everywhere, everywhere, and they that they (28:33) grew as a grassroots organization over the course of (28:36) like 18 months to millions. That is a symbol and a sign that that (28:41) group of people are just as much aligned with everybody on (28:46) this issue to protect children.So I think that headline is (28:49) wrong. I really do. (28:51) I think it’s misleading.I think they’re just conflating it just (28:54) to just so they can keep sex trafficking somehow. Yeah, it’s (28:57) because there is a money there is a money aspect behind that (29:00) that drives that to you. Right.We talked about the border, the (29:02) border price on that. So right. (29:04) And we have to protect children.And if that that bill is a good (29:08) bill, you know, to protect children. (29:11) And to your point, yeah, the whole breadth of things. I’m 49 (29:14) years old, I had a vasectomy at 34.I don’t have children. And (29:17) here I am talking about care. Yes.From a protect. This just (29:21) understands that society and humanity must go on. And it is (29:25) through the children.When I look into a child’s eyes, and I (29:27) just watched, there’s this kid walking around Scott or something (29:30) I think with his mom, and he’s getting people like yogurts and (29:33) getting waters. And he’s like 14. And I’m like, I’m gonna get (29:36) him on the podcast, because I just want him like, I want him (29:38) like, because it’s so great watching that.And yeah, (29:42) encouraging that, right, and not discouraging, not pushing and (29:45) not telling you, you’re wrong for feeling that way, or (29:47) whatever. grooming that other side of it. (29:50) It’s really manipulating the end.You know what, you’re (29:52) right, that our children, all of our children, they’re the future. (29:57) You know, this is the what is the legacy we are giving to them (30:01) from, you know, the aspect of our country and our rights and (30:03) our freedom. It is our responsibility to protect the (30:06) children.It doesn’t matter whether you have children or (30:09) not, it’s your responsibility to help protect (30:11) the children, too. (30:11) And that’s what people don’t understand. Like, yeah, the (30:14) people won’t go dink lifestyle or whatever.And I’m free or (30:18) whatever. No, no, there’s you still have if you see a child (30:21) distress, you are responsible. Yeah, because children just (30:24) aren’t yet.Right, just right. (30:27) Right. Absolutely.Why? I love that you’re supportive of this (30:30) that you’re there. You know, you want to protect kids as well. (30:34) Thank you.Thank you, Amy Bond. Once again, thank you. Welcome (30:37) to the Knocked Conscious family. Thank you. I hope we can talk (30:40) again. I hope we can get some maybe some collateral people with (30:44) some days from groomer or something.We can work a group. (30:46) We love a conversation. Yeah, yeah.Thank you so much. Thank (30:50) you, Amy Bond, everyone. Thank you.Take care. Thanks so much. (31:07) Well, it’s time to go.I hate to leave you, but I really must (31:15) say goodnight, sweetheart.