Aaron joins Mark for a chat about…stuff…
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(0:04) Welcome, welcome, welcome, everyone. (0:08) There’s an old adage in podcasting. (0:12) Make sure that you choose your guests.(0:15) Don’t let your guests choose you. (0:18) I don’t know what’s happening. (0:20) I hope everything’s okay, but my guest has not arrived, so I’m hoping that they are okay.(0:27) But I had absolutely nothing planned because I was going to talk to this gentleman, Aaron. (0:32) So hopefully, someone can jump on the chat and ask some questions, (0:37) but we can certainly talk about some current events and things that are going on right now. (0:43) It looks like Trump is looking to end the Department of Education.(0:47) Dude, don’t do it to me. (0:50) All right. (0:52) So Jason, let’s do it.(0:54) What the fuck? Who cares? (0:56) Let’s talk about IP. (0:59) Once again, I don’t know if property is the right word. (1:01) So a gentleman, I think, was it Marty Sands? (1:06) I hope that’s the correct name.(1:07) I don’t want to do that gentleman injustice because I just came across his stuff. (1:13) So Jason from Drop the Mask had a gentleman on, and they were talking about intellectual property. (1:20) And Jason clipped this little part that I just happened to listen to today as I was working.(1:24) And something about it just, oh, Matthew, Matthew Sands, I apologize. (1:31) And what happened was my head just went into an absolute schism because it’s logic, (1:39) but there’s something that’s not working right about it. (1:43) So basically, the piece is, well, if they take it, you still have it.(1:50) Intellectual property being an idea or a thought or whatever. (1:54) So if they copy it, things like that. (1:56) Now, the only, there’s a couple of things that immediately came to mind, (1:59) but I didn’t want to, I don’t want to talk about this yet (2:03) because I literally have no idea where I’m at.(2:06) Plus, I’m stupid, as we’ll find out on Monday when I have my podcast with Jason (2:11) because he’s way smarter than I am by a lot. (2:15) We’re going to figure that out. (2:16) But basically, intellectual property.(2:20) So I’m good with it not being property as in like a car, a house, you know, physical item. (2:27) But I do, I don’t know. (2:34) I don’t, honestly, I don’t really care what they call it.(2:38) But it does feel like the person who curated that thing or put it together (2:43) would have some kind of claim to it, possibly. (2:50) I don’t know if claims are the right thing. (2:53) It’s not like someone has a claim to a note, but a (3:01) pattern of notes or something someone can copyright, right? (3:05) Now, I think it came into, I didn’t listen to the podcast yet, (3:09) so I apologize, Jason, don’t get mad at me.(3:11) But what I think happened was, (3:17) I think you’re talking about intellectual property and like going to jail for that. (3:21) I’m not one of those people about imprisoning someone for some kind of (3:27) thing like that. (3:28) But, I mean, civilly, I could see some kind of civil litigious thing happening.(3:33) But the other thing about it is, I think about it like this. (3:41) I, one, Odd Nova was on X and they said something about no victim, no crime (3:49) or crime without a victim, something like that. (3:51) A victimless crime, crime without a victim.(3:55) And I don’t know if I can necessarily agree with that point in this case. (4:00) So, for example, I, we did an eight-part book series with Scott Horton’s book, Provoked. (4:08) Now, one of the people came across a full PDF version of Scott Horton’s book, Provoked.(4:13) It’s not, it wasn’t password protect or anything. (4:16) It was 100% free. (4:19) Now, that person did share it with me, which I, for which I’m grateful.(4:24) And I used it for a lot of my reference versus the physical copy. (4:28) Because as we saw, the physical copy is gigantic. (4:32) The question is this, though.(4:34) If I started giving that copy away, which is not his physical property, quote unquote, (4:44) but it is the whole thing. (4:46) If I gave that whole thing away and he was selling it and he no longer monetized it, (4:51) would he not be a victim of that? (4:59) So, anyway, that’s the question I guess that I come across was when it comes to that portion. (5:07) I mean, there’s a million things that it comes into.(5:09) Music sampling is one of them. (5:10) And I use Paul’s Boutique as one because even though the Beastie Boys 100% profited off (5:17) of the sampling, my understanding, and I’d have to look at it once again. (5:21) This is why I don’t want to get over my skis.(5:23) But my understanding was that those bands, no one, first of all, no one knew who they (5:30) were, was way able to search them unless you really knew who they were or something. (5:33) So going back in the day, it’s not like they had the googs that they could look it up and (5:38) go, who’s the, who’s sampled in this thing? (5:40) And it was a much different time, but it’s not, that doesn’t excuse the core. (5:44) It doesn’t excuse the core process piece.(5:46) My point was being like, yes, it may elevate another group like Parliament Funkadelic with (5:52) Dr. Dre. (5:53) I don’t know if they were paid as well, but P-Funk was big already. (5:57) That’s why they sampled him in the first place in that weird way for that genre.(6:02) So there are a lot of things, a lot of questions about that. (6:06) Once again, thank you so much to Jason and Zach for showing up today. (6:11) They’re my saviors right now because I am drowning solo here and it hurts really badly.(6:19) It’s not good. (6:22) Anyway, so if there are any questions about that, maybe, I don’t know if I can delve much (6:28) deeper into IP because I haven’t really gone into it. (6:38) Yeah, so pirating, no one getting in trouble.(6:40) So I don’t want to, it’s hard to talk about pirating without, what’s that? (6:48) You can plead the fifth, right? (6:50) So if I were to talk about other people I know, asking for a friend kind of thing, (6:58) like pirating, how would pirating work? (7:03) I think everyone has watched something that they haven’t paid for that was shared. (7:10) And that’s another one is pirating. (7:12) Is that stealing then just because you’re watching it on all that stuff? (7:16) I mean, this gets really into the crux of it because then is no one, okay, if you’re (7:26) accountable for your actions in a negative way, for example, like if you were to be aggressive (7:32) towards someone, that is an action that you did that’s not a positive action towards people, (7:36) people would revolt.(7:37) This seems to be a positive action that you’re contributing. (7:39) So why can’t you be credited with the act of putting a song together or something (7:44) like that? (7:45) Now, I understand you still get credit. (7:47) I guess it’s a lot.(7:49) It goes very deep into that. (7:51) So, but with pirating, like I said, I mean, I think some of us have watched stuff that (7:57) we didn’t pay for before. (7:59) And that happens more than we probably even understand or not be able to acknowledge.(8:06) All right. (8:11) Wow. (8:12) So I just put that question up there because my contacts are kind of giving me a problem, (8:16) but I don’t know, Zach, and do we have to start this early already, man? (8:23) Not everything’s about that, brother.(8:26) It’s all good, man. (8:28) He didn’t take any mass. (8:29) I know he took mustard gas a couple of times.(8:32) I know he took it at least once. (8:33) Allegedly, that’s what the snipping of the mustache was for so that the mask fit a little (8:40) tighter. (8:41) I don’t know if that’s an old wife’s tail or not.(8:49) Bootleg porn. (8:50) Yeah, it probably is that, by the way. (8:53) Oh, I mean, it’s only in Jason’s collection, I would guess, right? (9:00) All right.(9:05) Yeah, that’s a really good point. (9:07) So the pirating did allow these other small groups to come in, charge really small nominal (9:14) amounts, and collect all those pieces of information, pay smaller licensing fees, I (9:22) guess, and then put them out. (9:23) Is that the claim then, Jason? (9:26) Sounds to me like that’s how that was done.(9:29) So it did give rise to that. (9:32) But remember, look, Napster went away, but I don’t know. (9:35) I mean, you sell BitTorrent and all these other big companies, right? (9:51) Yeah, so that’s one thing.(9:54) This is a great point that Jason makes. (9:57) Man, we’re doing our own podcast here, Jason. (9:59) This is beautiful.(10:00) Thanks for jumping on, man. (10:03) But basically, how this one works is people will pay a nominal fee to remove ads or to (10:16) have a secure download, so they make sure they don’t get any viruses. (10:20) We’ve all accidentally, maybe unwittingly, clicked on something, and then all of a sudden, (10:26) it was part of some other group, and it’s downloaded some stuff.(10:28) I think we mentioned the victimless crime thing, because what if, you know, is that (10:32) victimless? (10:35) It’s just a real challenging thing I need to wrap my head around. (10:40) And I need to watch Jason’s podcast. (10:41) First of all, everyone, watch Jason’s podcast so that we can do that.(10:46) So all right. (10:50) So good news is Aaron’s about to jump on. (10:53) He got caught in some traffic, so that’s good news.(10:55) So he will be popping on. (10:56) There he is. (10:57) Let me invite this gentleman.(10:59) We’ve got Aaron Riggs. (11:01) Aaron G. Riggs. (11:02) He looks awesome backstage.(11:04) He is ready to weld, I think, but I’m not certain. (11:08) So he looks like he’s from some dystopian future. (11:12) We’re getting him on here.(11:13) All right, let me make sure. (11:15) Oh, he’s getting his hair. (11:16) I just got him in backstage here.(11:18) I just want to make sure he’s ready. (11:21) Oh, he’s getting prepared here. (11:23) So okay, he’s giving me the thumbs up.(11:24) He’s got his audio set. (11:25) We’re going to bring him in. (11:26) All right.(11:27) Testing, testing, testing, testing. (11:28) Have we landed? (11:29) Yes, sir. (11:30) Welcome.(11:31) I have no idea where we’re at. (11:33) Hey, what’s up, buddy? (11:33) How are you doing, man? (11:34) Good. (11:35) All right.(11:36) So experts, this is how it works. (11:38) Okay, the world, everyone here, welcome to Knocked Conscious. (11:42) We have Aaron Riggs on today.(11:43) Now, this is how it works. (11:44) This is an old adage of podcasting. (11:47) You do not, you do not, you choose your guests.(11:50) You choose your guests. (11:51) That’s how it works. (11:52) Now, in this case, I made one exception.(11:55) Aaron’s been kind. (11:56) He’s been very engaging. (11:57) And he’s kind of asked to kind of be here.(11:59) So he chose me this time. (12:02) I don’t ever do this. (12:03) I was trying to get you to come on my show and let me interview you.(12:08) But your schedule and work, and I understand that aspect of that. (12:12) And I just love what you talk about, man. (12:14) You go all over and you look at every angle and you try.(12:18) And if you haven’t seen the angle, you’re willing to look at it. (12:21) And that’s what drew me to your show. (12:25) Because there’s not a lot of people that are willing to look at others’ perspectives like you do.(12:31) Well, thank you, man. (12:32) I appreciate that. (12:32) Well, Aaron, welcome.(12:33) And like I said, it is rare for any podcaster to kind of like acquiesce in this way. (12:42) Because it’s very challenging to know how the conversation goes. (12:47) And you kind of want to have a little control.(12:48) That’s not me, though. (12:49) I’m a yes guy, usually. (12:51) So like if people aren’t like, what the heck, right? (12:52) First of all, thank you for sharing your time.(12:56) And you wanted to talk. (12:57) So this is your time to shine, my friend. (13:00) I wanted to talk to you.(13:01) But as it goes with work and podcasts and schedules and family and life and traffic, (13:08) we don’t always have time to just call our friends up and chit chat for (13:11) 20 minutes or an hour or however long these podcasts last. (13:16) And we’ve been engaging in dialogue, written context. (13:21) And I just wanted to pick your brain a little bit.(13:24) Yeah, I love it. (13:26) So let me just share something very interesting about Aaron. (13:29) Because we talk about as a person.(13:32) We just talk about who we are as people. (13:35) So Aaron and I have never met. (13:37) We only know each other through one person.(13:38) And like I said, we haven’t spoken much. (13:40) But we just talked a little bit. (13:42) I was having just a little bit of a down in the blues dumps day.(13:46) He’s like, if you feel down, man, call me. (13:48) Because I know how that can go. (13:50) That that’s what mentions are.(13:52) So I want to thank you for that. (13:54) That’s a really cool way to to be with others. (13:57) I would love to be able to offer that as well to anyone.(14:00) If they ever if they know me and they’re feeling down, (14:02) and they can reach out and say, hey, I’m hurting or something. (14:04) That’s beautiful. (14:05) So I just wanted to share that about how you are as a person.(14:08) And then let’s let’s chat, man. (14:10) What do we got? (14:12) Well, I’ve been watching the politics. (14:13) I’ve been watching the internet and the robots.(14:16) And I’ve been reading a lot of study about math. (14:18) And as far as like geometry and celestial things, (14:22) and of course, being a what I like to call a wizard of sorts, (14:27) at least in my own mind, you know, the idea of manifestation, (14:33) you know, as far as like, I say it, so it is. (14:38) Or whatever, abracadabra, whatever word you want to say.(14:41) And the process of, you know, your thoughts becoming reality, (14:45) whether they’re good or bad, they’re going to become reality. (14:50) And I think that’s where we kind of aligned on some of our discussions, (14:54) as well as just a pure passion for memes. (14:57) Yeah, absolutely.(14:59) Well, that’s the funny thing is so my meme game is very weak, Aaron. (15:05) Do not do not my it’s not to be over or underestimate. (15:08) There is nothing to estimate, my friend.(15:10) If I it’s in the morning, what I happen is I know that the Boomer social network, (15:14) otherwise known as Facebook. (15:16) And I know that the experts are two very different audiences. (15:20) And all I do is I will scroll down the experts and I will find something that (15:24) I know that somebody in Facebookville in Boomerville will just absolutely go enraged about.(15:30) And then I’ll put it over on the Facebook. (15:32) But then I’ll look for something on Facebook and I’ll do the same with Twitter (15:35) because a lot of time or X because once again, (15:38) the ideology is like the brain set of a boomer and a Gen Xer and a millennial and a zillennial. (15:43) And then, like, they’re all different.(15:45) And they all each one has part. (15:47) It has to do with pop culture, as far as I understand. (15:50) So it’s just, you know, what popular shows when I when I drop land of the lost reference, (15:54) you know, you got to you either got to got to be an age before before or at me.(16:02) Or like three generations ahead of me that seen the movie. (16:06) Right. (16:07) Or had kids and took the kids to the movie because, you know, it’s it to me, (16:11) it’s a funny joke, but it was a horrible experiencing the sleaze stack coming into (16:16) the data center and stopping time.(16:19) Luckily, the MetaBots maker, Mr. Google tattoo on the side of his head, came in and saved (16:26) the day and brought chocolate. (16:27) So we did have overall good experience in the catacombs. (16:32) I love the sleaze stack.(16:33) So that would land a loss. (16:34) I was one of my favorite shows growing up with the light with the light bright in the (16:37) middle. (16:38) It was the most amazing show.(16:41) But, yeah, I mean, it’s bored, right? (16:43) With the time crystals, you move around. (16:45) Yeah, exactly. (16:46) And it is cultural.(16:48) Like, look at this thing. (16:49) Like, there’s a lot of times you post something with a frog on it on Facebook and people have (16:54) zero clue, zero clue. (16:56) But you put anything with a frog on Hexverse and everybody jumps on it because they know (17:01) it’s some kind of, you know, Pepe libertarian, kind of like, you know, anarchist kind of (17:05) vibe to it.(17:06) Right. (17:07) So it’s kind of funny how that how that how we play with those different. (17:11) Oh, yeah.(17:11) Well, you know, I’ve been I’ve had experience in many different industries. (17:15) Right. (17:16) And so each industry kind of has their own jargon, and I found that like each generation (17:22) has his own jargon.(17:24) If I say you’re a cool dude, you know, the kids would look at me like, whoa, I’ll just (17:29) explain. (17:30) I’m from the 1900s. (17:31) I’m a relic.(17:33) Yeah, well, look, gay, gay is one of my one of the best examples. (17:37) I don’t know if I want to say favorite examples, but it’s gay was happy and bright. (17:41) Then it was homosexual.(17:43) There you go. (17:44) And then then it was remember how gay was stupid, but then people conflated. (17:48) If you said that’s gay in a stupid way, then they say that was homophobic because you’re (17:54) saying being homosexual is stupid because gay also means that.(17:58) And you’re like, are you are you fucking kidding me with this shit? (18:01) Is this how we play these games? (18:03) Is this how is this how it is? (18:04) We’re going to play jump jumping games, jumping jack games to like find out where how we can (18:09) get offended. (18:10) It’s South Park episode, right? (18:13) That whole South Park episode where the kids were calling the oh, they’re gay, they’re (18:18) gay. (18:19) And they went, oh, you’re homophobic and you’re prejudiced.(18:22) And like, no, man, these guys are riding their motorcycles in the first thing in the morning (18:26) and revving and remember, and that’s gay. (18:29) Right, because it disrupts what they were doing. (18:33) And so it had a whole different even third meeting.(18:35) So it didn’t mean necessarily happy like it did back in the 50s or even up to like the (18:42) 70s or 80s is when it started turning to that. (18:45) Oh, you’re so gay. (18:47) And then, of course, the South Park reference of is just being something that is disrupting (18:54) what you’re doing.(18:54) You know, that’s just gay. (18:56) You interrupted me. (18:56) So and then obviously retard is the one that I that’s the Gen X favorite.(19:02) I’m sorry. (19:03) That’s the one that we’re so happy is kind of come back a little bit because come on, (19:07) man, to think that we’re calling actually mentally challenged or meant children with (19:12) mental disability. (19:13) We’re calling them retards is so silly.(19:17) It’s so silly to. (19:19) I have a speech impairment, and so I’m retired. (19:22) I mean, retired, retired, but I often speech impair that part of it, missing some teeth (19:31) and everything.(19:34) I couldn’t help it. (19:36) Sorry, retard. (19:37) I can’t use it anymore.(19:39) Oh, you own it. (19:41) Are you going to file a copy protection? (19:43) You know what? (19:44) Oh, my God. (19:45) Wow.(19:46) You just talked about copyright protect. (19:48) Did you were you listening in earlier today? (19:50) I’m messing with the AI industry, and I’m always been arts and entertainment. (19:56) The robot has been stealing my ideas for decades, and that’s why I can’t work anymore.(20:01) Oh, this is a deal, Aaron. (20:03) So here’s what’s so Jason, my good friend, drop the mask right here. (20:07) This guy, he actually just had a podcast with a gentleman named Matthew Sands.(20:13) Now, I have not watched the entire thing, but I just watched the littlest clip. (20:17) I might even be able to play it for you because you’re a musician, correct? (20:20) Maybe we can. (20:21) I am.(20:21) I call myself an apprentice musician here. (20:28) Oh, I got another one here for you. (20:30) Hold on.(20:31) Brand new. (20:33) Oh, such a beautiful, such a beautiful musical instrument. (20:39) Oh, you wish you had one.(20:41) Oh, the slide. (20:43) We’re proving in the heart. (20:44) You’re playing a little Bootsy Collins.(20:46) I like playing around and, you know, for 20 bucks down at the music store, you know, (20:51) I also ended up with a harmonica and I haven’t played this one yet. (20:56) I’ll play it for you. (20:57) First brand new out of the box.(21:02) It’s been a while, but I will, since I was a child, you know, basically before it, (21:08) because once puberty hit, it was all about the girls. (21:11) Let’s be honest. (21:12) So let me do this.(21:13) I’m, I actually got, I got Jason’s clip up here. (21:17) And I’m going to play this clip for a second. (21:19) If you’re cool with that.(21:20) Yeah, yeah. (21:22) Because it actually, it kind of talks about intellectual property. (21:25) You just asked about copyright property.(21:27) It’s perfect. (21:28) Exactly. (21:28) For what we were talking about earlier.(21:29) And I’m actually going to do. (21:30) We Jason and I are going to probably do a podcast. (21:32) Bring Matthew back on.(21:34) But let me share my screen for a second here. (21:37) And we’re going to share that for everybody. (21:39) All right.(21:42) Let’s see what we got. (21:46) All right. (21:46) I’m going to play this and we’ll take a look at it.(21:50) All right. (22:02) Intellectual property is a little bit of a linguistic trick (22:05) because we’re kind of begging the question by calling it property in the first place. (22:08) When it’s not really property, an idea isn’t property.(22:11) And the thing is, is if I steal your car, you don’t have your car anymore. (22:15) If I quote unquote steal your idea, you still have your idea. (22:20) I haven’t taken anything from you.(22:21) There’s no actual aggression there. (22:23) And again, the linguistic trickery is in the word steal (22:25) because I haven’t stolen your idea. (22:27) I’ve copied it.(22:28) Like if I stole your car and you don’t have your car anymore, I’ve taken it away from you. (22:32) If I copy your idea, I haven’t taken it away from you. (22:36) I’ve just copied it.(22:37) I mean, the equivalent would be more if I copied your car. (22:40) I somehow was able to say I had a 3D printing machine that could print you, (22:45) scan your car and copy it out as an exact replica. (22:47) That’s more an equivalent to IP.(22:50) So all of the reasons why we understand theft of property (22:53) and laws against that to obviously be valid because you’re violating their rights by (22:57) taking their property that they rightfully acquired. (23:00) And the aggression is quite clear and obvious. (23:02) But when we’re talking about taking people’s idea, no one can own an idea.(23:06) And there’s no encroachment. (23:12) All right. (23:12) So what are your thoughts on that, Aaron? (23:15) Yes.(23:16) And so as my study in February led me down the copyright trail, it’s called copy protection. (23:23) You have rights. (23:24) You have protection.(23:27) This clip is copyrighted. (23:29) And believe it or not, the words I’ve spoken have been translated through the AI (23:35) into your dialogue. (23:37) So it’s a page in your book.(23:38) I guess I get co-author rights in your book. (23:42) Absolutely. (23:43) Yeah.(23:43) When my death certificate, you can sign it if you want. (23:46) Nice. (23:47) Nice.(23:47) So you can pay me on the day you die like everyone else, right? (23:51) As long as you promise to pay me the day you die, I will be there. (23:55) And I will wait for my mortal soul to escape from your fleshy tomb. (24:00) And I’ll be standing there.(24:01) I’ll be like, where’s my money? (24:02) And you’d be like, dude, we’re in the ether. (24:05) There’s no money here. (24:06) And I’ll be like, oh, OK.(24:08) You owe me one, bud. (24:10) It is. (24:11) Have you ever experienced the ether? (24:14) I live it every day.(24:16) No, but for real, have you ever experienced like I actually think I went to past life (24:20) regression. (24:21) I actually think I experienced the ether. (24:22) I actually it’s right before I came here.(24:25) I’ve had a couple near death experiences per se. (24:30) I guess maybe I took too much acid when I was a kid or something. (24:35) Nice.(24:36) And so I guess I see things in a very different way. (24:40) A lot of my friends say I live in a fractal environment, basically. (24:46) Like, oh, I’m very I was very concerned about this conversation only because we hadn’t talked (24:51) at all about consolidating any kind of thought.(24:54) And like, it’s one of those things where it’s a rodeo. (24:56) It’s either it’s either going to be the most spectacular bull ride you’ve ever seen or (25:01) we’re not going to make it eight seconds. (25:03) Right.(25:03) Those are the two ways that this this can go, you know. (25:06) Indeed. (25:06) Yes, yes, yes.(25:09) And I don’t know if you know about, you know, I got just been I was looking through my Facebook, (25:14) the millennial or X generation X and I don’t know whatever social media. (25:21) And I was like, dang, when I first started doing live streams and podcasting, it was (25:28) nearly nine years ago. (25:30) Like, there are some people that are doing streaming now and podcasting now that came (25:37) to me for advice that are just.(25:39) They’re the ones that are doing that are nine years old, Aaron. (25:46) Yeah, yeah, it’s it’s it’s it’s to me, it’s just it is mind blowing because it’s a form (25:52) of entertainment. (25:53) Yet, you know, when we’re talking about different topics, it’s also, you know, whether it’s (25:59) education or enlightenment, whatever you want to say, we’re bringing up topics and showing (26:04) different perspectives, at least all the other podcasts I have and on the dialogues we’ve (26:09) had in Facebook that show these different angles of the same thing.(26:13) Right. (26:14) So I got a little story, if you don’t mind. (26:17) So it’s about to my mother.(26:18) I live in Goldtown right now, or as they say, Tree City. (26:23) Now they changed the name. (26:24) But so the two miners go out to go prospect.(26:28) They’re like, OK, they got the base camp and they’re like, OK, we’ll go up and whenever (26:31) we find the goal, we’ll come back. (26:33) We’ll tell each other where is that and we’ll go dig it up, you know, and then we’ll get (26:36) rich together. (26:36) And so they go off and they come back and they’re around camp.(26:39) And the one miner goes, oh, yeah, I went up this creek and and the side of the tree. (26:44) There’s a tree right all covered in moss. (26:46) It’s right there.(26:47) And other guys, oh, no, you come to my spot because I found a bunch of gold and it’s up (26:51) this other little river here by the tree. (26:52) But there’s no moss on it whatsoever. (26:55) They both go up out, you know, their own way.(26:58) They’re digging. (26:58) Oh, they’re on the same spot. (27:00) Right.(27:00) The tree has moss on this side, no moss on the other side. (27:04) So that perspective, that story can change just from where you’re looking from. (27:08) Right, right.(27:10) One hundred percent. (27:11) It’s pretty crazy. (27:12) So we’re talking memes and some stuff.(27:15) And so I do I I’m happy to share. (27:18) I was a grade A neocon going into the probably the 2000s. (27:22) I’m sure even the 2010s.(27:26) But one of the I mean, I just started cracking over time. (27:30) And then once the dam broke and all the lies were exposed, it just was easy. (27:36) You know what I mean? (27:37) I was always a questioner anyway.(27:38) So it just made it easy. (27:40) But then once that broke, it just became exponential. (27:43) So you go through like this libertarian, you go like almost extreme the other way, (27:48) just because it’s all.(27:50) To your point, like fractal and fabricated in a weird way. (27:54) My view on politics is it is the most popular TV drama series known to the planet Earth, (28:03) you know, and and I think this year America’s politics may be edging up to the, (28:10) you know, primetime spot compared to some of the other global policies. (28:14) But of course, you know, being that we are America, America, we of course have our (28:22) fingers in everybody’s cookie jar, as it were.(28:27) So what let’s let’s talk, man. (28:30) What did you want to talk about with all the mean stuff? (28:32) Or what kind of questions you have? (28:34) Or what topics? (28:38) Why did I want to talk to Mark Puls of Knocked Conscious podcast? (28:42) Well, part of it was the not consciousness, right? (28:45) So I was kind of born in a weird situation to where I actually remember (28:51) things from before I was two. (28:54) Wow.(28:56) And so I was very young when I started questioning teachers questioning reality. (29:02) I was in like first or second grade, and they’re like, you don’t know how to do math. (29:06) And I’m like, but all my answers are correct.(29:08) Well, you need to show your work. (29:10) But that doesn’t make sense to me. (29:12) Right.(29:12) So I had to go sit in the corner with the Nakamura brothers and learn Japanese math. (29:19) Which was fun. (29:20) You know, because it’s different.(29:23) It’s more shaped, it’s more geometric rather than language. (29:27) So it kind of accesses the different part of your brain, right? (29:30) So you have left brain, right brain. (29:32) And I think that once once you get Knocked Conscious, per se, (29:36) that kind of opens a gateway for both sides of the brain to communicate.(29:40) Because there are a lot of times they’re separate to where, you know, (29:44) oh, I’m libertarian or conservative, or I’m democratic or Republican. (29:49) Where the human is can be programmed for this, but in reality, (29:54) our nature is to want to know the truth and look at both sides of the question. (29:59) You know, it’s just we’re programmed through whether family or school or.(30:04) I mean, there’s a we have a tribalist, but we also have this yearning to know. (30:09) But but the problem is, if you ask a little too much back in the day, (30:15) that was not very utilitarian because they would just throw you out and then you were done. (30:20) You know, so I do think we have a very we play within this bumper.(30:25) You know, it’s like we put bumper guards on the (30:27) on the bowling alley as we roll it down the gutter guards. (30:30) You know, we just kind of bounce between those all day, right? (30:34) Yes. (30:35) But you’re outside of those like you’re like you’re in a different bowling alley.(30:38) You’re like not even a couple lanes over, you know. (30:41) Well, it’s like Mike Tyson throwing darts. (30:43) You cover your eyes and he throws darts.(30:45) Why? (30:46) Because he visualizes it in muscle memory. (30:50) OK, so this is a different part of consciousness than the (30:53) how should we say logical mind, right? (30:55) Because these are nerves and and impulses through the body (31:00) that has his own kind of intelligence, if you will. (31:04) Yeah.(31:05) And so let’s get into how how how are some people able to do this? (31:10) How are some people be able to separate their tribal mind is like, (31:15) if I am an X, I believe this, that the other. (31:18) And if I’m a Y, I believe the other, the other and this other thing. (31:22) And then yet someone like probably I would argue like yourself, (31:25) you could look at just one idea and go, this is what I think about this idea.(31:30) This is what I think individually about that idea. (31:33) One happens to align with that side. (31:35) One happens to align with the other side.(31:37) It doesn’t put me anywhere. (31:38) But why do we feel these needs to be put in these boxes is a question. (31:43) It’s a social thing.(31:44) It’s a social construct, I believe people care about what you. (31:48) Oh, did the boss like my work? (31:50) Am I getting a raise? (31:52) Did the did the cute girl at college notice me and, you know, answer my text? (31:57) It’s a social thing. (31:58) Right.(31:58) And so once I guess the mind evolves, I always like to look at like (32:03) some of the way higher up than me, like Tesla and all these thinkers. (32:08) It’s hard to find people that can talk on these higher levels. (32:13) Like that’s one of the reasons I’m like, oh, I want to talk to Mark because (32:16) you’re able to you’re not just stuck in.(32:19) Oh, let’s make five dollars so I can get a sandwich and sit in front (32:22) and watch football with my friends and drink beer and numb myself. (32:25) You’re like, hey, what’s going on? (32:28) And so you used to be like that. (32:30) Oh, you used to be like that.(32:32) I used to. (32:33) Yeah. (32:33) Yeah.(32:34) And so whatever, you know, some sometimes it’s a traumatic accident. (32:37) I’ve met a lot of people that I probably would not have even wanted to talk to (32:43) that have gone through whatever issue, trauma, mental, emotional, physical accidents. (32:51) And then they’re a different person.(32:53) And then all of a sudden I can relate to them because we’re talking, (32:56) you know, 10 different ideas, 10 different perspectives (33:01) coming together to choose an action. (33:04) You know, like you’re saying, oh, but how are we going to move forward from (33:10) this because we can’t just be stuck here. (33:12) You know what I’m saying? (33:13) Yeah, well, it’s interesting on Monday.(33:15) I think this Monday coming up, Jason and I are doing. (33:19) I don’t know how deep we’re going to go, but we’re going to talk about IQ (33:21) as a predictor of success as well. (33:23) And it sucks because there aren’t many.(33:27) There’s not many like ambiguous (33:30) tests that you can just look at that you can everyone can take and go. (33:33) Here’s the number it spits out, and that’s a correct number (33:36) because it is biased in some ways. (33:38) Obviously, it must be because it is societally built, right? (33:41) But it’s a pretty darn good predictor.(33:44) Yeah, IQ. (33:45) Yeah, the intelligence quotient. (33:47) What’s that? (33:48) As it relates to like monetary success or just in general, being able, you know, (33:54) what kind of position you can take at work, you know, all these other things, (33:57) like a predictor of general success in life, right? (34:00) Can you be the CEO of Trump Co.(34:03) with an IQ of 90 is like is a question or example. (34:08) I mean, so let’s just let’s go there just for a second. (34:12) Now, say someone, maybe me, has an IQ of 90.(34:17) But I am what I what I call empathic, right? (34:21) I’ve always been in tune with people’s feelings. (34:24) I’ve been able to sense them or even like when I, you know, seeing what you’re posting, (34:28) I’m like, hey, bro, call me and even have a way of reversing these negatives into positives. (34:34) Right.(34:34) So this is one of a high EQ and emotional. (34:37) Exactly. (34:39) And so I could be the smartest person in the world.(34:41) But if I can’t handle stress, or if I don’t know how to communicate, interact with people, (34:48) what job can I do? (34:49) You know, I can sit there and program a computer. (34:51) Sure. (34:52) But there’s so many subtle.(34:55) There’s so many subtleties in this social interaction and work and what you’re capable of doing, (35:01) because even if you’re dumb as rocks and have no emotional intelligence, (35:05) but you’re passionate about something, you can create that energy (35:11) and put the time in to increase your intelligence, (35:14) increase your emotional awareness and accelerate yourself on that level. (35:21) Yeah, that’s a great point. (35:23) To that, you’re right.(35:26) Every and that’s the thing is. (35:28) But see, it’s the thing we can look at IQ as a predictor of (35:31) this ability to have this hierarchical, like be able to plan, for example. (35:36) IQ does allow some larger extent for abstract thinking, (35:43) which does actually equate to creativity.(35:45) It doesn’t always equate on paper, though. (35:48) So you could actually have someone with a completely high IQ that just isn’t able to show (35:55) that on a test, but their pattern recognition, for example, is off the charts or there. (36:01) You know, they have something about that portion where they specify that are very good.(36:05) And then once again, this isn’t to admonish the number. (36:10) This is to look at that because once again, we look at these certain ranges. (36:14) And if you’re just smart enough to this, but not smart enough to that, (36:18) you’re really easily trained to live in these tribal bubbles that we talk about.(36:22) Right. Like Michael Malice talks about, he says the smartest dogs are used to train. (36:27) And and the truth is, once you get to a certain level above a level, (36:31) you almost don’t believe anyone else can be as smart as you.(36:35) So you must know the right answer. (36:37) Right. So it’s like there are very small ranges in which we can (36:41) look at and just kind of play with and see how they affect us in a daily life and with (36:47) interacting with others.(36:48) I think that’s the most important thing is to be able to play, to be able to play. (36:55) Whether you’re playing, let’s solve this problem or (36:58) playing, let’s calculate the dollars as an accountant. (37:01) If you can find that childhood play.(37:09) It’s correct. (37:10) One one one oh five to one fifteen is correct. (37:13) Who’s that? (37:14) That’s I am for I am like he’s talking about the range of one.(37:17) Basically, the average IQ is like one hundred one oh five to one fifteen, something like that. (37:22) One ten is where you’re you’re smart enough to get all grasp all the concepts, (37:30) but you generally don’t accept other concepts. (37:33) So you’re like kind of enough to just kind of accept one portion of it.(37:38) Yeah. (37:38) You could like excel in one discipline. (37:42) Yeah.(37:42) Yeah. (37:43) One specific side of an idea. (37:46) Right.(37:46) Like a site, one side of an argument and really articulate it well, but have a real challenge (37:52) going, oh, wait, that is a good point coming from the other side, kind of like what we (37:56) were talking about earlier. (37:56) Right. (37:58) And you mentioned it like, look, the memes that I send, they’re not Trump related.(38:02) They’re not Trump protecting. (38:05) They’re not Trump attacking. (38:06) They’re not left.(38:07) They attack everything. (38:09) They attack ideas. (38:10) They literally just are there to spark people to get angry and just start.(38:15) Now, did you hear about that guy getting put in jail for sharing a meme? (38:19) Which way in Europe or here? (38:22) Here in America, I believe. (38:23) Oh, I have not heard that. (38:26) No, it was like some meme about, oh, call this number if you support Hillary.(38:31) Right. (38:33) Oh, yeah. (38:33) Yeah, Zack.(38:34) Sixty nine. (38:36) Oh, support. (38:37) Call this number.(38:37) And I guess they put him in jail because, oh, no, you’re trying to just disrupt the (38:42) vote or whatever. (38:43) I don’t follow. (38:45) I just thought it was scary.(38:47) Yes, that is what happened. (38:48) So basically what it was, it was a it was a it was actually what’s this called the double (38:52) standard, right? (38:53) You had someone saying text the number to vote on and make sure you vote on Wednesday or (38:57) something. (38:57) It was like vote on Monday or Wednesday or something.(39:00) It wasn’t on Tuesday. (39:01) The other one, one, one, six, nine or something. (39:04) Right.(39:04) And then the other one was a woman who did the same thing for the other side. (39:07) Didn’t get a thing the same same exact. (39:10) Yep.(39:10) And I, I don’t remember the name. (39:12) Maybe somebody can pull that up on on chat. (39:14) But I do remember that specifically happened.(39:16) And once again, OK, it’s one thing if you do it, but the double standard, the hypocrisy. (39:21) No, thank you. (39:22) Yeah, it’s it’s rampant.(39:24) On better news, I got first place on my pinball thing at lunch today. (39:30) Nice. (39:31) So you got best.(39:32) You got first place. (39:33) Number one. (39:35) Nice.(39:35) Now, is this at work where you’re at or. (39:38) Oh, this was at the pizza place for lunch. (39:41) Nice.(39:41) Is it does it have a pretty soft tilt or is it a pretty good one where you can kind of (39:45) give it a good nudge? (39:46) It’s it’s a very interesting game. (39:48) Anytime you seem to nudge it at all. (39:51) Just the momentum of the ball sends it to the corner, but you can give it a little bounce (39:56) and it gives you a warning.(39:58) Interesting. (39:59) OK. (40:00) Yeah, because I read the tilt ones from the from back in the day that froze everything (40:04) up and then.(40:06) And it was like a simple little thing that hung, and then if it made contact with the (40:11) side, it would create it would short the circuit. (40:13) And that’s how the ones they got nowadays are on spring. (40:15) So you’re you’re allowed, I would say maybe about a quarter of an inch of play either (40:19) way.(40:20) Oh, wow. (40:21) That’s pretty impressive. (40:23) Yeah, so it’s probably some kind of gimbal or some kind of like gyro springy thing.(40:28) I think it’s probably just a mercury mercury sensor. (40:31) Like you’re saying, a pendulum or something, because, yeah, trying to trying to get me (40:38) an old used one so that I can rebuild it. (40:42) This is real, ladies and gentlemen, I am for am.(40:46) Yes, my son is a genius. (40:50) But has the college flunk out goes job job, totally understandable. (40:54) It is getting inside the mind of someone who sees 10 things that you don’t is one thing.(41:04) But if you’re someone who sees that and and you’re not able to articulate it to someone (41:10) in a way that they can that you can express it, that is like an absolute prison sentence (41:16) in your own head, because like some people do have communication challenges with that. (41:21) So, like, it’s one thing to see the angle. (41:24) But if you can say, OK, well, if I do a then B happens.(41:28) Now, stick with me here. (41:30) B definitely has C or D that’s going to happen. (41:33) Now, those two are these better than C. But if D happens and you have E and F, the possibly (41:38) if you can’t if that’s a stick that hangs up on your head and you can’t get that out, (41:42) people looking because you just go that won’t work and people are going to go, why? (41:47) You’re just connected five ideas.(41:49) Most people have trouble holding three ideas in their mind. (41:53) Right. (41:54) And I would just I would think that’s the case.(41:56) And I’m not sure what that is. (41:57) Right. (41:58) And IQ is maybe a measure of that.(42:00) But that’s it’s not the end all be all to your point. (42:02) Once again, we’re only talking about it because it is we are finding that it is a pretty good (42:08) indicator of certain things that people are capable of, I think, in a certain way, you (42:14) know, barring like you were saying, once you get to to a certain level, like, I guess, 105 (42:19) 115, that’s subgenius. (42:22) But once you’re up at that high, you start questioning.(42:25) Oh, why? (42:26) Why? (42:26) And then managers don’t like that. (42:27) No, just flip the burger. (42:29) Just now do it this way.(42:30) Now do it this way. (42:31) Hurry, hurry. (42:32) Customers are waiting.(42:33) And the intelligent person is like, wait, this doesn’t make sense. (42:39) And they can’t. (42:40) How can you force yourself to do something that just makes no sense? (42:44) I mean, I mean, sure.(42:46) That was the thing. (42:48) 90 to 115 or that just was like, yeah, 20 bucks an hour. (42:51) I can flip burgers all day.(42:53) Listen, I used to work. (42:54) I used to work in a job where they had, you know, they had a base pay and then they had (42:58) the commissions and bonus structure and all this stuff. (43:01) And every time they change commission structure and they walk in the room, they have like (43:08) 30 people there and they’re like, OK, this is what we’re going to do.(43:12) And this is why it’s good for you. (43:14) And two seconds after they’re done, my hands up going, we just lost two thousand seven hundred (43:19) sixty eight dollars. (43:21) You know, they’re like, what? (43:23) What happened? (43:24) What did you do? (43:25) You know, it’s like it’s stuff like that.(43:27) So it turned out to the point where they would not invite me to those meetings. (43:30) They would tell everyone else and then they tell like just me in a separate, separate (43:34) meeting just because I couldn’t upset the apple cart that way. (43:37) That’s the kind of stuff that causes that quiet quitting.(43:40) Right. (43:40) It’s like, oh, OK, so I get it. (43:42) Now I double my hourly wage, but I don’t get my bonus.(43:45) So I’ll just show up and sit here. (43:48) Yeah. (43:49) Yeah, it’s kind of interesting.(43:50) So anyway, so what about what about the memes and what what sparked your interest to have (43:56) the chat, man? (44:00) Well, like just, you know, the topics that you’re on, you know, because you’re digging (44:04) in. (44:05) I mean, the political stuff, I think is the most the most popular drama series. (44:11) But I mean, more along the lines of the esoteric and consciousness stuff, because once you (44:17) open your eyes, per se, and start seeing all the B.S. (44:20) is going down, you kind of want to you want to expose it.(44:25) Yes. (44:25) But then in your life, you don’t want to trudge through it. (44:29) Right.(44:29) Because you’re now neck deep, for lack of a better word, poo. (44:34) I don’t want to get a PG-13 strike. (44:36) Um, but we’ve already been we’ve already been demonetized.(44:41) This is this is you doing it. (44:43) But, you know, I said hello. (44:46) Once you get up there, it’s like, OK, so it’s what they call in a lot of circles, the black (44:51) mirror, the night of the dark soul, right to where you’re facing your worst horrors, (44:55) your worst fears.(44:56) I forget what cartoon it was. (44:58) You know, the pit of your horrible Rick and Morty, of course, the worst fear. (45:02) Um, and so once you once you start facing that, the demon, the government, everything’s (45:07) coming to get you and you face it, it becomes powerless.(45:12) And right. (45:13) And so this mud just kind of just, oh, is that that good mud from the clay now all of (45:17) a sudden? (45:18) Right. (45:18) It’s like, oh, my skin is so soft from the mud.(45:20) So but it’s a mental it’s a mental switch. (45:23) You kind of almost have to intend, oh, I want to look at it this way. (45:28) And then that allows the key to turn.(45:32) Yeah, yeah. (45:34) So so like I think that was kind of the main focus is I wanted to dive in, of course, and (45:39) our common friend Jeremy as how we met as far as how that faculty, not necessarily intelligence, (45:46) intellect or emotional, but maybe imaginative intelligence. (45:52) Like, can you imagine something being impossible? (45:56) Can you imagine how it might be possible? (45:59) Like, of course, we’re looking at the quagmire of government for the last ever, ever since (46:04) there was a tribal chief, you know, but how do we navigate that quagmire, especially with (46:11) technology? (46:12) We’re adding in technology.(46:14) We’re adding in instant communication. (46:16) We’re adding in video cameras around every corner. (46:19) How do we navigate this without being drawn back into that swamp? (46:24) How do we get up onto dry land, per se, in that in that intellectual, mental, emotional (46:30) and or spiritual journey that I think all of us human beings are on, you know? (46:35) Yeah, it it really is.(46:39) And that’s the thing with AI coming. (46:43) The AI, it collects existing data, finds patterns, finds things and then extracts a separate (46:54) thing from the things that exist. (46:56) One can say that a human being can sit there and meditate and come up with an idea that (47:05) wasn’t a combination of anything they’ve heard before.(47:10) And I’m wondering if if that’s what humanity is going to become, is it going to become (47:15) like craftsmanship again? (47:18) And but but the problem is craftsmanship is an art that you paid for because of the beauty, (47:25) whatever. (47:26) How do we value these things versus a production thing, which has been taken by AI, right? (47:31) Your job is being taken by AI. (47:32) Well, you did lead me down this path.(47:35) You did ask the question. (47:36) So I’ll only share my perspective. (47:38) So I’ve been in this theoretical space for quite some time as far as like, oh, the robots (47:47) are picking our food and planning our food.(47:49) And really, you know, I don’t know if you’ve seen the movie Idiocrity. (47:53) So we’re on the cusp. (47:54) Are we going to Idiocrity or is this a real electrolytes, man? (47:58) Huh? (47:59) It’s got what plants need.(48:03) You know, so I guess we’re at a shift, right? (48:07) We get it. (48:07) Where is that? (48:08) Oh, Logan ripped his shirt off a week before Trump got elected in Madison Square Garden. (48:14) Literally a wrestling superstar.(48:18) Terry Crews lookalike MF. (48:21) I thought Trump was a pro wrestler. (48:23) I mean, didn’t he do the Battle of the Billionaires with the owner of WWE? (48:27) He’s the most popular billionaire.(48:30) It’s great. (48:31) Anyway, go ahead. (48:31) I’m sorry to be cutting you off.(48:32) It’s just one of those things. (48:34) Idiocracy is such a, Mike Judge is such a beautiful, he’s one of these guys that has (48:38) his foresight. (48:39) He sees how the pattern and the resultant things that are going to happen from the current (48:43) act.(48:44) It’s beautiful to watch that, but please. (48:46) No, I mock it all the time. (48:49) I got and people do.(48:50) That’s one of my favorite jokes. (48:52) I’m at the grocery store. (48:52) I’m like, the world’s turning into Idiocrity and then people just laugh.(48:57) But so we’re at this point now, right? (48:59) Where we could either go down that path down to the Idiocrity way or we could go take the (49:04) high road per se and go to the Atlantean, right? (49:08) So now we’re looking at, oh, we’re advanced technology. (49:11) We’re advanced mentally, emotionally, societally. (49:16) We’ve got all day long to sing and dance.(49:19) And so now it’s not about the piece that you produce per se. (49:23) Oh, I carved this statue. (49:25) Isn’t it beautiful? (49:26) No, it is the pure childlike wonder and joy of sticking your hands into finger paints (49:34) and going.(49:35) And at this point, as this direction, as people choose, then it’s a change within themselves. (49:47) OK, I call it the power of productive play or whatever. (49:50) Right.(49:50) So now when I go to a meeting with the head honchos, I can suddenly crack a joke about (49:57) this, a quality and safety issues or the attendance issues or the lack of pay for the people. (50:04) Or, oh, my gosh, our contract, we’re just ripping you off. (50:07) Our guys are making six hundred dollars an hour, but able to make a joke of it and bring (50:13) it into that playful energy so that we can find a solution similar to the Hayaoka, similar (50:19) to the Hayaoka, which is the gesture of the Native Americans per se, similar to the king’s (50:26) gesture.(50:26) Oh, let me mock you while I give you the wisdom of a sage. (50:31) But let me taste. (50:33) Let me sprinkle with sugar and honey.(50:34) So it tastes so funny. (50:35) You can’t kill me. (50:37) Right.(50:37) So this is where we’re at. (50:39) And this is where I think that delineates like the question you’re asking before, how (50:44) come the smart people are poor? (50:46) Because they can’t communicate their message because they’re at this level of shedding (50:52) that mock to where they’re not money focused. (50:55) Let me let me get a million dollars.(50:57) I’m Nikola Tesla. (50:58) Let me have a billion dollars because I made the electric generator. (51:03) No, Edison got it.(51:05) GE got all the money. (51:07) Right. (51:07) He died poor.(51:09) So. (51:13) Yes. (51:15) Yes, I am.(51:16) Right. (51:18) So I am. (51:19) If you ever we should we should have that conversation about your son.(51:22) I’d love to hear about his challenges, but also his absolute beautiful mind as well. (51:27) So we’ll have to have a chat about that someday. (51:29) I hope we can do that.(51:30) But yeah, it’s it’s a beautiful thing. (51:33) And and it is there. (51:35) And there’s so many things about it.(51:38) I did have a near death experience at 13. (51:40) I didn’t really wake up or whatever. (51:43) I didn’t have my other experience, my.(51:47) Knocking conscious experience till 40. (51:49) So it was a long time in between, but I struggled in between that point. (51:54) I probably just didn’t understand why.(51:57) But whatever that was, but what it’s is, is everything there? (52:02) And that’s the question, like when when this thing with intellectual property made me ask (52:06) a question, too, because is it there is are all the ideas there and you align to an idea (52:14) and catch it? (52:15) Is it like fishing where or or or do we actually create or, you know, so is it is it do we (52:23) create or do we capture an idea in the ether, so to speak, like you’ve mentioned in some (52:29) way that we caught it in a frequent frequency, energetic way, whatever that is, right? (52:36) Inspiration is. (52:37) So I’m curious if you if you ever thought about it from a an internal out, like I am (52:43) I’m thinking of words that rhyme. (52:45) I’m thinking of a song pattern, you know, that on paper would sound right.(52:50) I know the chords are right. (52:51) The progression’s right. (52:51) But then there’s one where it just comes to you.(52:55) Right. (52:55) But that’s because you just meditate and just happen to align with the music. (53:00) It’s it’s somewhat somewhat that it’s in a sense channeling emotion.(53:06) How do you put into words that what you feel like you’re saying? (53:11) It’s hard enough to explain an idea, go from A to B to C. (53:14) But how do you explain emotion when there’s such limited vocabulary to express the limitlessness (53:21) of emotion? (53:23) And as far as pulling stuff from the ether, that’s kind of one of the things I do say. (53:31) It is about tuning in for me. (53:34) It’s about tuning in to the group consciousness on a level and it might just be my group of (53:41) peers to a level that I’m able to express how I feel about that input.(53:49) And so it’s I was using interpolate. (53:52) Right. (53:53) And then it’s an interpolation.(53:54) I interpret it and then I extrapolate it. (53:56) So I interpret and then I extrapolate, add to it, add my little idea and then push it (54:02) back out to the universe. (54:04) And it always comes back with this reflection and that reflection.(54:08) And it always comes back. (54:10) You know, it’s like I say, I go out to the to the grocery store and I smile at the clerk. (54:15) Three days later, I see the exact same smile from the little old lady at the casino on (54:20) my way back from from, you know, when I’m on the road trip.(54:24) And I know that that smile is gone from that cashier to that other to that other and 10 (54:30) times extrapolated. (54:32) And that’s how I interpret it. (54:34) And so when it comes back, I reinterpret it and extrapolate.(54:37) It’s like a wave. (54:38) I’m like, like you were saying, you’re neocon. (54:41) You have a perspective that that is the way it is.(54:44) I have experienced that that is the way it is. (54:46) I’ve studied about that’s how great languages say that is the way it is. (54:51) The ancient schools, the tooth, the hermetics, and I don’t know, neotech.(54:57) Does anyone still understand that neotech book we got in the 70s? (55:02) Or is that not a thing anymore? (55:04) Which one, the singularity or which which one? (55:06) Just the neotech manual. (55:08) Oh, I’m not. (55:09) I’m not sure.(55:10) Not only for odd fellows or is that a Masonic thing or a wait? (55:14) I’m no, never mind. (55:15) That was a great question. (55:16) I didn’t say that.(55:16) I’m not. (55:17) You forgot that you forget. (55:18) Forget what I just said.(55:20) No, no. (55:21) That’s a secret. (55:22) It’s okay.(55:23) Look, they’re all after us anyway, Aaron. (55:25) It’s okay. (55:25) It’s a joke.(55:26) Come on, Mark. (55:27) It’s okay, man. (55:28) They’re all they’re all they’re actually I’m being swatted as we speak.(55:31) They’re knocking down the door. (55:33) They know they know they they want to keep me around because I’m the only one could set (55:37) that pinball record. (55:38) And I need you for about an hour.(55:41) What game was it to which which was Dark Knight something sword? (55:46) Okay. (55:47) Was it Batman related Dark Knight or was it something else? (55:50) Huh? (55:51) Was it a Batman Dark Knight related or like night with a suit like a night? (55:55) Black Knight, not Dark Knight. (55:57) Black Knight.(55:58) I think it was cool. (55:59) I’m sword, dark sword or evil knight or something. (56:03) So he talks to me every time I put a quarter in.(56:05) He says more money. (56:06) Give me more money. (56:07) Give me more money.(56:07) There is that’s what I I’m that’s what mine probably tells me to do is just when you go (56:13) to those Cobra arcades, it’s good time. (56:15) I still have my Nintendo, so I still play my Mike Tyson’s punch out. (56:18) So I still I’m still good to go.(56:20) My reflexes are still back in the 80s speed video games, not the new ones. (56:25) So I don’t do too well in the new ones. (56:28) I was I was watching that because I’m a Twitch streamer now, right? (56:32) So I do like streams and just kind of get my stage presence back because it’s been like (56:36) five years since I’ve done any any kind of streaming and they’re setting up like Dungeons (56:42) and Dragons, but it’s all keyboard, right? (56:44) So I can equip my this that and cast a spell and then switch back to my armor for this and.(56:51) And they’re doing it like this fast on the keyboard, right? (56:54) Yeah. (56:56) Yeah. (56:56) And they’re all like pre-programmed.(56:58) Each key does three different functions. (56:59) You have to shift function or whatever. (57:00) And you’re like, they’re on top of it.(57:02) And there’s like 10 of them. (57:04) Forward, backward. (57:05) What’s that? (57:05) There’s like 10 of them in the chat room talking about, OK, we’re going to go and do this.(57:09) And then you go do that. (57:10) And it’s like high level logic. (57:15) And I think part of that technology is stripping people from that human interaction socializing.(57:25) Right, because this is so different when you can come into a chat room and just, (57:29) you know, like Twitch has this new policy against bullying, right? (57:33) Because people would go in and go, you’re just dumb. (57:35) I’m like, I know, but you’re here watching me. (57:40) So, right.(57:41) What’s your point? (57:42) Yeah. (57:43) Now there’s a little bit more oversight on Twitch. (57:45) I think that was two or three years back when the Congress was talking that.(57:49) That’s my new favorite show, Mark. (57:51) Congress. (57:52) C-SPAN or C-SPAN2? (57:54) Oh, I don’t care.(57:55) Usually YouTube or some meme. (57:57) Somebody sent me a link from the Twittersphere or the X or whatever. (58:02) Those people are a joke.(58:05) Ah, they’re a joke, man. (58:07) So yeah, I’m with you a hundred percent on what you’re saying on that. (58:11) But the Twitching has got to be fun though.(58:14) So tell me about that. (58:15) How did you, how’d you get back into it or what did you, what made you want to get back into it? (58:18) When I first got into live streaming, it was called Google Hangouts. (58:23) So you can have back and Google hosted all this, right? (58:26) So they, a lot of compute power hosting.(58:29) You could put a mask on, you can have all these little special effects, right? (58:32) And then they stopped that. (58:34) I’m like, oh no. (58:35) And I found a platform called Blab, right? (58:40) So that was four spots in a chat and people could click right in off the chat, right on the box, (58:47) right? (58:48) If the host… (58:48) You could chat roulette almost.(58:50) Yeah. (58:50) Yeah, almost. (58:51) But the host had to unlock it and could kick people out of course.(58:55) And it really got interesting because there’d be two or three people perspectives, (59:00) four people’s perspectives, and then one person would go and then another person would come in (59:04) and then maybe they’d let you in. (59:07) And so you could verbalize. (59:09) I had like a two-hour conversation with a microbiologist.(59:11) Anyway, a lot of it was based on sociology because that was my studies in college at the time. (59:18) And so then of course the Restream, the StreamYard and all these things started coming out. (59:24) Blab shut down, okay? (59:25) Because they didn’t have it monetized.(59:27) And then Twitch kind of really took off because it had the technology for the gamers. (59:33) And so all these gamers are like, look, I can play with my friends and make money or whatever. (59:38) And it’s now evolving.(59:40) There’s a lot of music. (59:43) I think I’m one of the first people that kind of talks mindset stuff, but there’s like IRL. (59:49) So people are talking about work or, oh, the music industry or, oh, this business or, oh, (59:54) my life or doing tarot cards.(59:57) And there’s such a diverse community, right? (1:00:00) And there’s a lot of support. (1:00:01) So like they call it a raid train, right? (1:00:03) So now I just got done with my two-hour show, my stream. (1:00:08) But, oh, I see Mark’s over there.(1:00:09) And so I bring my whole audience into your show. (1:00:13) And now we’re all in the audience and you’re like, yeah, hey, Aaron, what’s up? (1:00:16) Thanks for the shout out or whatever. (1:00:17) I’m like, yeah, cool.(1:00:17) I got a great community. (1:00:18) Yeah. (1:00:19) You can set up like a schedule of boop, this stop, boop, that stop that.(1:00:25) And then build your community because those people are coming to your show (1:00:29) because they’re interested and they’re following that same kind of A to B to C. (1:00:36) And then, of course, there’s divergence, right? (1:00:37) So one of the things I like to watch is craft and like just chit chat, right? (1:00:43) People have all these little fun games. (1:00:44) You can spin the wheel, get points, get emojis. (1:00:47) And then they’ll have like a DJ that’s streaming with them.(1:00:51) So they got background music. (1:00:53) So you can either engage in the conversation or listen to the music (1:00:56) with a background kind of side conversation. (1:00:59) Which to me, it distracts my monkey mind per se.(1:01:03) It was just a technique I learned in school. (1:01:05) Just just blow out my ears. (1:01:06) So my ears are consumed so I can focus, right? (1:01:09) Because I got hyperactivity, hypersensitivity, hyper emotional awareness.(1:01:15) I got a lot of insert insert issue here. (1:01:19) Yeah, insert insert hyper here. (1:01:21) And then then I’ll do it 10 times and I’ll be like more.(1:01:24) Ah, right. (1:01:26) I get what you’re saying. (1:01:27) Interesting.(1:01:28) And it is neat because I do think they do have a section for political. (1:01:35) And maybe adult content. (1:01:37) So you could smoke and drink.(1:01:39) I can get my OnlyFans over there, get up and running. (1:01:42) I think there might be some OnlyFans there doing that, (1:01:45) that are bringing it into their OnlyFans. (1:01:47) But I’m neither here nor there.(1:01:51) Yes, I’m very artistic. (1:01:52) I’m super artistic. (1:01:54) I’m not a very good artist.(1:01:57) About this, it’s hilarious. (1:02:01) Oh, our artistic, artistic. (1:02:04) Yes, I’m artistic.(1:02:05) The reason this is funny is because I was just in Vegas with my girlfriend (1:02:08) and she taps me on the shoulder. (1:02:10) She’s like, you have to receive that T-shirt. (1:02:12) And it says autistic and ready to ****.(1:02:15) And I just thought that was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen for a T-shirt. (1:02:21) So I just thought that was pretty cool. (1:02:23) So just a heads up to the person who wore that shirt.(1:02:26) I should have asked where they got it. (1:02:28) But anyway, yeah. (1:02:30) We like to call ourselves the Tism team a little bit, Aaron.(1:02:32) We are, there’s something where I do think there is some kind of evolutionary thing. (1:02:39) But I’m also thinking it’s being triggered because I think the body’s sensitive. (1:02:45) And I think that certain drugs are triggering that sensitivity part, (1:02:51) but not necessarily creating the other thing.(1:02:53) It’s there. (1:02:54) It’s just gets some kind of, it’s hard to explain. (1:02:57) I don’t want to get too deep into it.(1:02:58) Oh, I can explain it. (1:02:59) There you go. (1:03:00) Bring it.(1:03:01) The other day I come stop at, go meet my friend on the way up to work for coffee. (1:03:06) He likes to stop and put his $5 in the casino rather than at Starbucks (1:03:11) because they give the free coffee, right? (1:03:13) And I have a way it’s, and I think it’s totally autism (1:03:17) where I can like pick out the machines that are about to win. (1:03:21) Right.(1:03:22) And so I tell him, oh yeah, we’re going to double it up for you. (1:03:25) So we double up as five to 10. (1:03:26) And I’m like, you should probably walk when it hits 20 and starts going down.(1:03:30) So I’m teasing him. (1:03:31) And I knew it was going to hit up to 20 before I had to leave (1:03:33) because I have my schedule, you know, I have my appointment. (1:03:38) And sure enough, he hits 20.(1:03:40) I walk out the door and it was up to him whether he left the machine or not. (1:03:43) But I have like a sick, like I’ll walk up to a roulette wheel and be like 13 black. (1:03:50) And it’ll hit.(1:03:53) I have heard of this one guy. (1:03:56) And I won’t say only because we haven’t, I haven’t experienced it with you. (1:04:00) I say you claim it.(1:04:01) And I’m happy to say that doesn’t mean I don’t believe you do believe (1:04:04) and you claim it because that’s what you just did. (1:04:06) So you have these things. (1:04:08) I know someone who claims they are some kind of a lottery or slot machine charity.(1:04:14) And what they do is they go and go to winning machines and then give that money to charity. (1:04:20) But they know what machines are going to hit. (1:04:23) And it’s like, wow, that’s pretty interesting.(1:04:26) I don’t know how accurate it is, but I haven’t heard these stories. (1:04:29) And so speaking of that, have you seen or heard of the telepathy tapes yet? (1:04:35) No, but I’m very, I’ve done telepathy with friends and we’ve (1:04:39) walked and met each other in person and talked about what we were doing before. (1:04:44) Is there a place you’ve met? (1:04:46) What is the name of the, did you call it a thing? (1:04:48) Did you meet other people that were in the arena? (1:04:52) Okay.(1:04:54) So was there a group of other friends, other people that weren’t friends of yours, (1:04:58) particularly that you came across in this arena? (1:05:02) No, the arena is kind of a sacred space, but out adventuring the catacombs of consciousness. (1:05:10) I have had, uh, I don’t know exactly what to call it, call it a premonition. (1:05:20) Call it an understanding to call it a telepathic communication.(1:05:25) Um, call it, I, I always look at things like as a common knowledge. (1:05:31) I thought everyone knew this. (1:05:32) I thought everyone could see this.(1:05:34) You mean you didn’t let me explain it to you. (1:05:36) But as far as like inviting people into my dream, no, I kind of set up a strict protocol (1:05:42) to prevent that, um, from happening. (1:05:47) And basically that’s, that’s the dream arena where people can come and dream and experience me, (1:05:52) but I don’t have to necessarily be there.(1:05:55) And really, unless I’m intentionally trying to reach out to someone and they’re (1:05:59) either open to my, um, projection or also actively trying to communicate. (1:06:05) It’s like, it’s like you ever pick up the phone and call someone and they’re like, (1:06:09) oh man, I was just talking about you. (1:06:12) Or I was just dialing your number.(1:06:13) Yeah. (1:06:13) Everything like that. (1:06:14) Yes.(1:06:14) So this, and I think it’s, it’s more to be honest, because of my study into the quantum field. (1:06:23) Um, I think it’s just more, you know, waveform energy. (1:06:28) I mean, realistically it’s waveform.(1:06:31) I’ve tuned my little tuning, the bones and structures in there and the pineal gland. (1:06:37) In my thoughts, this is the perfect structure for a receiving and broadcasting antenna (1:06:44) because of my time in telecom, you know, it’s just, it just, (1:06:48) it’s kind of like a little dish, right. (1:06:51) With a little thing in the middle that projects and receives.(1:06:54) I have to ask, cause it just, it just sends you in so many different questions in many (1:06:58) different ways, because it’s not, it’s not contradictory. (1:07:00) Cause I’ve had my own experiences. (1:07:05) Um, what’s the best way to ask this? (1:07:07) Take your time.(1:07:08) Thank you. (1:07:08) What would be, what would, do you have your first recollection of something like that? (1:07:14) That experience? (1:07:16) Was it young or was it after a TBI? (1:07:19) Was it after trauma? (1:07:20) Was it? (1:07:21) It was, it was, it was, it was maybe second grade and it might’ve been just me talking in my mind (1:07:34) to myself, you know, having an imaginary conversation with my sister, (1:07:39) but it got to the point where she, she basically said, (1:07:42) no, I don’t want to talk about it like this anymore. (1:07:45) Right.(1:07:47) Interesting. (1:07:48) How far are you apart? (1:07:50) A little over a year. (1:07:52) So you’re pretty close.(1:07:53) I mean, she’s like a way beyond genius. (1:07:55) Like she will literally read 1500 pages of books in a day, every day. (1:08:02) And has since she was about 15.(1:08:06) I have this weird thing about like precognitive visions and things like that. (1:08:10) And I wonder if it is an advanced pattern recognition and causality trait or (1:08:18) in the quantum world, is it that there are all the probabilities and the, the percentages of (1:08:25) those probabilities and the mind that can do that sees one of them generally sees one of the (1:08:33) stronger ones or one of the more intense ones, not necessarily one of the ones that are the (1:08:38) higher probabilistic and then many, many times they may get it, but many times they may also (1:08:44) not get it as well, because once again, it is probabilistic and not a thing yet. (1:08:50) Well, like I think part of it is recognizing patterns.(1:08:56) Recognizing energies, like on a sunny day, everybody’s wearing sunglasses on a cloudy (1:09:02) day, everyone’s got a sweater. (1:09:04) So these are kind of patterns that are obvious. (1:09:07) And I think it goes a little bit deeper than that.(1:09:10) So like you’re saying with this autism, you do recognize a certain, at least for me, (1:09:15) I’m just kind of explaining from my perspective. (1:09:17) I do kind of notice patterns, right? (1:09:21) And, and when I see it, then I know to make my intentional projection. (1:09:28) It’s like, oh, the gate’s open, project it.(1:09:31) And that, that I guess aligns on a quantum phase as manifestation. (1:09:37) It aligns on a conscious phase as intention, and it aligns on a scientific phase as intuitive (1:09:46) observation and action. (1:09:49) Because, because you have set that intention, because you allow that idea into your mind, (1:09:54) you’re able to recognize it.(1:09:55) Hey, I’d like you to drive down the street and think about yellow cars. (1:09:59) Now, how many yellow cars you see? (1:10:01) Have you ever been driving down the road and thought, oh gosh, I haven’t seen a cop in (1:10:05) miles, and there he is. (1:10:08) So these are.(1:10:10) There’s a baiting manner done in, there’s a baiting manner effect, I think is the one (1:10:14) where you talk about it, and all of a sudden you see him everywhere kind of thing. (1:10:17) Yeah, it’s, it’s priming, it’s priming the mind’s eye. (1:10:22) So now that your mind’s eye is expecting it, your physical body will interpolate it.(1:10:28) So did you always, you always know that? (1:10:30) I mean, that’s the thing is like, I had an event, I had an actual experience that it, (1:10:35) the reason I call it Knocked Conscious, and I’ve mentioned it before with others, so I’m (1:10:39) not here to bore everyone else. (1:10:40) But basically I had an event where I was knocked literally to this thing that I didn’t (1:10:46) understand. (1:10:47) So the question is this, do you think then consciousness is fundamental or emergent? (1:10:53) Because this is where I, let me ask the question first before I, I try to tune in.(1:11:00) So are you, you’re familiar with emergent property versus like a fundamental property, (1:11:03) I would, I would assume. (1:11:05) I’m not familiar with the language. (1:11:06) I imagine I’m somewhat familiar.(1:11:08) You probably know the language. (1:11:09) So let me explain. (1:11:09) So basically temperature is not a thing, right? (1:11:13) Temperature is a result of the atoms moving faster and faster, right? (1:11:18) So atoms moving faster and faster, temperature is an emergent property of that action of (1:11:24) the atoms moving faster and faster.(1:11:26) Does that make sense? (1:11:27) So what a lot of people, or at least the materialist world, these people who think, you know, (1:11:33) atoms and things and all this stuff, they think that the neurons to a certain extent (1:11:39) become consciousness as an emergent property of the matter. (1:11:43) And that is firing the number of neurons and everything. (1:11:46) And that interaction is what actually creates it.(1:11:50) Other people claim that consciousness is actually the foundation upon which everything is built (1:11:54) because nothing’s coming into existence without the consciousness of it. (1:11:59) So I’d love to hear your thoughts on that. (1:12:01) If I didn’t blow your head off.(1:12:02) So I think it like part of it has to do with consciousness and being aware that you’re (1:12:07) conscious, right? (1:12:08) Because I believe, you know, my cat is conscious and I believe… (1:12:12) And there are levels of consciousness. (1:12:13) And we’re talking more on the human consciousness level in this case. (1:12:16) Oh, I brought a mink’s cat.(1:12:17) He’s smarter than I am. (1:12:19) There you go. (1:12:21) I’m sure.(1:12:22) I’m his pet. (1:12:24) Don’t get me wrong. (1:12:26) We feed them.(1:12:28) They’re training us. (1:12:29) They trained us to feed them. (1:12:30) Come on.(1:12:30) Let’s not kid ourselves. (1:12:31) We’re slaves to our pets. (1:12:34) Yes, yes.(1:12:35) So as far as did consciousness, I think awareness emerged from consciousness. (1:12:42) We’re aware that we’re conscious. (1:12:46) But I have a hard time believing that a tree is not conscious because the tree breathes.(1:12:52) And it is. (1:12:54) It is. (1:12:55) I mean, that’s the thing is there are levels of consciousness there too, right? (1:12:59) So there are some that will move toward light.(1:13:02) There have some kind of, or at least a drive, right? (1:13:04) Of some kind of, whether it’s biological thing, away from toxins and move toward food. (1:13:10) That’s just the thing. (1:13:11) I don’t know if you can call it autonomic or… (1:13:13) Are you saying, so like, does the worm know that it’s a worm underground? (1:13:17) Right.(1:13:18) Or does it have thoughts? (1:13:20) Or does it have… (1:13:20) Right. (1:13:21) Because that level, that level is what we’re talking about, right? (1:13:24) It’s not even… (1:13:25) Dogs tend to sense things, right? (1:13:27) Whether it’s smell or they can sense. (1:13:29) I met dogs and maybe it’s smell, but they can sense an epileptic seizure (1:13:36) that’s about to happen on patients.(1:13:39) I’ve watched it happen in real time. (1:13:41) A dog will jump up on the owner and make them lay down and they will get their medicine from (1:13:47) the refrigerator and get a drink and they will lay on the person as they’re having the seizure, (1:13:51) knowing that they’re going to do it. (1:13:53) So I’ve seen cats that smell cancer or what know like when people go into rooms, (1:13:58) when they’re going to die.(1:13:59) So those are conscious things. (1:14:02) But like a lot of things, conscious for me is like knowing, being able to plan for tomorrow. (1:14:08) A dog doesn’t… (1:14:09) Might bury a bone, but it’s not always in anticipation for tomorrow.(1:14:14) It might be for a little later, but it’s not like that next planning, right? (1:14:18) Knowing that you’re knowing that you’re aware kind of thing. (1:14:21) Awareness that you’re aware. (1:14:23) And I’m wondering at what level is it always what built everything, or is it what came (1:14:30) out of what’s eventually got more complex as more things happen? (1:14:34) So I guess break down your question in levels.(1:14:37) First, you want to know, did consciousness create matter or did matter create consciousness? (1:14:43) So that would be there, right? (1:14:45) That would be a good way to ask that. (1:14:47) Separation. (1:14:48) I would say that the mere existence of matter and consciousness.(1:14:56) It’s in a way energetic, right? (1:14:58) So energy doesn’t lose them. (1:15:00) Energy is equal to the past. (1:15:01) Yeah, the energy and matter interchangeable.(1:15:04) But then we’re talking organization of information. (1:15:08) Is that consciousness? (1:15:09) Is that intelligence? (1:15:10) Well, then the computer you’re using is a conscious intelligence thing because it has (1:15:14) an organization. (1:15:16) Oh, it has an agent of access.(1:15:17) So now we’re talking instinct. (1:15:20) Right. (1:15:21) But does it have its own agency without an input is some of those questions.(1:15:26) Well, now we’re getting into the world of silicate intelligence and carbon-based intelligence. (1:15:32) And so if you really want to go deep, I’ll kind of explain how I understand the quartz (1:15:39) crystal. (1:15:40) Yes, we definitely will talk about it in one second.(1:15:43) This is where the silicate part. (1:15:46) I think silicate becomes emergent over time, but I find it challenging that silicate organisms (1:15:55) came exist. (1:15:57) And the only reason I say that is because something about the chemical bonds between (1:16:01) silicon and carbon.(1:16:03) Carbon has eight ways to bond, and I think silicone only has one. (1:16:07) And it’s not about whether it could happen. (1:16:10) Once again, it’s that thing.(1:16:12) But generally, the way with that kind of probabilistic outcome, it would be more challenging (1:16:17) for that to out-compete a carbon-based or carbon-based entities just by sheer number (1:16:25) or chemical. (1:16:26) Does that make sense? (1:16:28) Yes. (1:16:29) But let’s talk the crystal stuff because we call crystal child rainbow children.(1:16:33) We talk rainbow indigo warriors. (1:16:35) We talk about chemical structure. (1:16:38) Yes.(1:16:38) Let’s talk DNA programming and molecular bonds. (1:16:43) So as a carbon, it’s more dynamic. (1:16:46) It’s more easily attached in multiple ways where a silica would, like I was saying, in (1:16:53) one way.(1:16:54) So how I understand it is that rock form, that mineral, it’s as the minerals layer in (1:17:01) and layer in, it’s storing energy in a certain pattern. (1:17:10) And it will continue to do that. (1:17:13) And it can store the information about the carbon base in that chemical composition.(1:17:19) And it may not be aware that it’s doing that. (1:17:22) It may not even be aware of itself. (1:17:25) But it is aware that in a way, at least in the energetic patterns, there’s still something (1:17:35) there, information.(1:17:36) Whereas the complexity of DNA and carbon-based and protein connections makes it more dynamic. (1:17:47) See, so this information that I’m looking at it like hardware and software, I can look (1:17:54) at it in many different ways. (1:17:56) And so the biological would be the operator, the user, right? (1:18:02) The energy would be the storage facility in some kind of way.(1:18:07) Yes, the energy would be that. (1:18:08) And then the hardware, per se, the rocks, that’s where it’s all stored. (1:18:16) Energetically, it’s dynamic.(1:18:19) So your consciousness could be a little obliterated. (1:18:22) Now you’re still energy, you’re still matter. (1:18:24) But that specific organization of information has been altered and changed and destroyed (1:18:33) and transformed into something new.(1:18:35) So in that perspective, consciousness brings forth matter. (1:18:42) But on the idea of the one person, me, and the one person, you, then it was matter that (1:18:49) brought forth your consciousness and my conscious. (1:18:52) As far as matter and consciousness as a whole, it loses the force, buddy.(1:18:56) It’s got to stay in balance. (1:18:57) You get too much matter, everything stops. (1:19:00) And that’s when the big bang begins.(1:19:02) And then it all becomes energy. (1:19:04) And then it starts coalescing materialistically. (1:19:07) At least that’s how I understand the atomic composition.(1:19:10) But that cycle as a whole of whatever 80 billion, billion, billion years for all universes, (1:19:18) it becomes dimensional. (1:19:20) Because this part over here has done that. (1:19:23) This part over here.(1:19:24) And so and then they’re connecting and they’re interacting in certain ways to where I think (1:19:28) that’s where the quantum physicists are talking about the multiverse. (1:19:31) It’s not that there’s multiple errs or timelines, but there is. (1:19:36) Okay.(1:19:37) Yeah. (1:19:37) And that’s another section. (1:19:40) So here, my thought on it is that the first base reality was a physical big bang that gave (1:19:54) rise to material that got complex over time.(1:19:58) They gave rise to single cellular organisms and multicellular, then neurons, then enough (1:20:04) neurons gave consciousness. (1:20:05) Then more neurons gave the better, you know, higher levels of consciousness. (1:20:09) Those consciousness over time evolved to become a collective consciousness on, say, a global (1:20:15) level where the animals, plants, everything kind of the Gaia world, right? (1:20:19) The Gaia fields is one kind of thing.(1:20:21) And then those worlds that have that reach that global consciousness in a universal sense (1:20:27) do eventually combine and create the universal consciousness, which then is the God that (1:20:36) starts the next thing. (1:20:40) But it started at a zero. (1:20:43) So, like, we might be on base reality 42.(1:20:46) You know what I mean? (1:20:46) We’re not on base reality one. (1:20:49) So it’s like I am almost of the thought that both of those things are true both ways, like, (1:20:55) but the one came first, and then that then got replaced by this conscious way of doing (1:21:01) it. (1:21:02) And it’s and I don’t know why I can’t shake that, but it’s just from what I’ve experienced (1:21:05) and what I’ve seen, it’s like, I know there have been previous lives.(1:21:08) I know there have been previous energies and iterations that I’ve had here. (1:21:12) They just I just know it. (1:21:13) It’s not.(1:21:14) You can call me crazy. (1:21:15) I’m a lucid individual. (1:21:17) You’re crazy.(1:21:18) I know what I know, right? (1:21:20) Like, it’s just you’re just as crazy as me. (1:21:24) Right. (1:21:25) It is in a good way, right? (1:21:26) We’re not the right.(1:21:27) And that’s the thing. (1:21:27) You’re crazy. (1:21:28) We’re the well, that was interesting thought.(1:21:31) Crazy, right? (1:21:32) My past life regressions were not Napoleon and Caesar. (1:21:35) Okay. (1:21:36) They were a purple mist and one of those gray three foot Zeta alien things.(1:21:41) So it’s not like I was anything of any import in my past lives. (1:21:44) You know what I mean? (1:21:45) Like, I was kind of important into the colors. (1:21:48) Well, what I’m saying is I’m just saying, like, it’s not like it was in a solipsistic (1:21:53) narcissistic brain that I went to of like, I used to be somebody important in a past life.(1:21:58) I wasn’t even fucking human in any of the ones that I experienced. (1:22:00) So it was really odd. (1:22:02) But I’ve come to that point where I’m like, I think we’re like on a there is a base reality (1:22:07) that emerged to all of this and then sprung this universal consciousness after the global (1:22:14) consciousness of all the different civilizations.(1:22:16) And once again, we can talk Palladian and Syrian and, you know, Arcadian, you know, (1:22:21) our which is the Galactic Federation. (1:22:25) Yeah. (1:22:25) Yeah.(1:22:25) Archimedes. (1:22:26) Yeah. (1:22:26) You know, let’s go fly the spaceship.(1:22:29) Right. (1:22:29) We can tell. (1:22:30) Let’s go.(1:22:30) Who is it? (1:22:31) Go righty. (1:22:32) I forget. (1:22:32) One of the first interviews I did, I think he might have might have been government trained (1:22:38) remote viewer.(1:22:41) You know, as far as the remote viewing thing. (1:22:43) But he he explained a lot about astral projection. (1:22:47) Right.(1:22:47) So to me, the podcast there back in the day back. (1:22:51) Yeah. (1:22:51) And another guy I do recommend Russell Targ is a guy I recommend for remote viewing.(1:22:56) He did he did a TED talk that was banned. (1:23:00) And actually, Jacques Vallee Jacques Vallee is the guy from Operation Blue Book. (1:23:05) If you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind, he was the scientist portrayed, I think, (1:23:10) by Dreyfus or one of the other scientists.(1:23:13) And he actually was on Joe Rogan last week or a couple of weeks ago. (1:23:17) Very interesting conversations. (1:23:19) But once again, I do recommend the Russell Targ remote viewing.(1:23:22) But so the thing the thing about that is I I know it might not matter, but it does matter to me. (1:23:30) Not because it matters whether it is or I just want to know. (1:23:34) I just want to know.(1:23:36) I just want to know. (1:23:37) I do not care what what it is. (1:23:42) I don’t care why.(1:23:43) I just want to know. (1:23:46) Which is it? (1:23:47) How is it? (1:23:48) Help me understand it. (1:23:49) Like to the point, if I were a caveman and someone went back in time, I had a big lighter (1:23:54) in their hand and they made fire in their hand.(1:23:56) I’m either going to stone you or I’m going to praise you. (1:23:59) There is no middle ground in there. (1:24:01) You know what I mean? (1:24:02) Like you just made fire come out of your hand.(1:24:05) Now, you and I know how it works and probably could make a rudimentary lighter. (1:24:09) But yeah, there you go. (1:24:11) Exactly right.(1:24:12) You understand that would not exist in that person. (1:24:15) And that’s what I think we are. (1:24:16) We’re cavemen as to what actually is.(1:24:18) And I just need to know so badly air. (1:24:20) I just need to know. (1:24:21) OK, here’s what I would recommend studying electricity.(1:24:26) Like deep study, not electrons go here, but how electrical field and magnetic field interact. (1:24:33) I would also recommend studying geology and lapidary. (1:24:38) Just a little bit, get into the hippie thing, be like, oh, rose quartz and what makes it (1:24:42) and I’ve got I’ve got stuff.(1:24:44) So it’s not like I don’t. (1:24:45) OK, OK, so I’m going to have some rabbit holes, Aaron. (1:24:48) And let me tell you how the rabbit holes go.(1:24:51) Mark, here’s the fun part that I’ve come to the conclusion of. (1:24:55) And there is no answer, but I’m not going to quit looking. (1:25:00) There is absolutely no answer, but that doesn’t bother me because (1:25:04) the chase, the path is the answer.(1:25:07) Though this is fine. (1:25:09) Don’t get me wrong. (1:25:09) I love the path.(1:25:10) The little one little dot of new information. (1:25:13) Oh, gosh, I spent all day looking for that one little dot to make that sense. (1:25:19) That whole thing that was why is this in my head over here? (1:25:22) This big light coming out the window at me.(1:25:25) Ah, what do I do with it? (1:25:27) I don’t know. (1:25:28) Oh, this is what I needed. (1:25:30) Just a little piece of chocolate.(1:25:32) Oh, now this moment’s perfect. (1:25:36) Oh, there it goes. (1:25:38) That moment was gone.(1:25:40) Ladies and gentlemen, I get you. (1:25:43) Okay. (1:25:44) Once again, we’re with Aaron Riggs.(1:25:46) He’s on Facebook. (1:25:47) Go look him up. (1:25:48) Go give him a follow.(1:25:49) He’s got some really cool music, some cool projects and everything on there. (1:25:52) So feel free to my bot to talk to him. (1:25:54) And he likes chatting and he likes memes.(1:25:56) So I’m a poet. (1:25:59) So is there any is and I’m a computer wizard. (1:26:02) That’s how I got the robot.(1:26:04) I trained 14 different agents to get the those little melodies. (1:26:08) Very nice. (1:26:09) So before we call it a day, sir, are there any other questions? (1:26:13) Any other little, uh, subject we’d like to discuss? (1:26:17) Um, yeah.(1:26:18) Do you know anybody that can get the kite out of the tree in my front yard? (1:26:23) My friend, Charlie Brown was over here yesterday. (1:26:27) Lucy pulled his beautiful kite stuck up in the tree. (1:26:31) So if you know anybody send them my way.(1:26:34) Or maybe hold on. (1:26:38) Hold on. (1:26:38) I’m not sure if he meant rabbi or rabbit.(1:26:40) Oh, yeah. (1:26:42) I gotta admit, I’m not sure which one Zach meant, but that’s pretty good. (1:26:47) You remember that time I met the white rabbit? (1:26:50) Yes, I do.(1:26:51) Remember? (1:26:52) I remember. (1:26:53) I remember you were there. (1:26:54) That’s right.(1:26:54) Many times. (1:26:55) Yeah, it’s the rabbi holes. (1:26:58) Let’s not talk about Rabbi Shmuley, shall we? (1:27:02) Uh, so yeah, so like I said, if there’s anything else before we call it a day, Aaron, you want (1:27:08) to share any of your, your other ways to contact you or anything you want to, you know, definitely (1:27:13) check out the Twitch.(1:27:14) Cause I am jumping into the music business. (1:27:16) I’ve been in business, uh, you know, study it for a long time, but just the whole quagmire (1:27:21) of the AI and the copyright and just the whole dynamic of how computer is opening the doors (1:27:28) to me and you could sit here and tell the story, put it into the robot and have a full (1:27:32) featured movie. (1:27:34) Right.(1:27:35) And so this is changing how this copy that I could own if I recorded it, um, then I would (1:27:43) own the copy. (1:27:44) And if you stole my copy or used my copy to make money, that’s my money. (1:27:49) I should give you a cut for being a good salesman though.(1:27:53) Um, but as I dive into the musical business and the whole philosophy thing, the best way (1:27:58) to catch me is on Twitch. (1:27:59) You can always follow my AWOL Aaron YouTube channel, but it doesn’t quite get as much (1:28:05) fun as Twitch does. (1:28:07) So what are your, what are your, uh, ways to kind of, what is it at AWOL Aaron or how (1:28:11) is it? (1:28:12) Uh, I’m, I hide as much as possible.(1:28:14) Oh, okay. (1:28:15) I’m not out to promote myself. (1:28:16) I’m just doing my thing.(1:28:18) I’m on Twitch. (1:28:18) Well, that’s what I’m here for is let me, let me, let me, you know what? (1:28:21) Like-minded people get together. (1:28:23) But my name is spelled wrong.(1:28:24) I just noticed this. (1:28:25) A A R O N not. (1:28:28) Oh yeah.(1:28:28) Cause I’m on the, yeah, you’re on. (1:28:30) Cause we’re on. (1:28:30) Hey, Ron.(1:28:31) Yeah. (1:28:32) I got a Ron here from, uh, was a key and key and peel. (1:28:36) That’s one of my favorites.(1:28:37) It’s my fault. (1:28:37) Have you ever seen that? (1:28:38) Have you ever seen that skit Aaron? (1:28:42) Yes, sir. (1:28:43) With the guys in the inner city and he’s reading like, like white kids names.(1:28:48) And it’s like, Aaron is a, a, a R O N. (1:28:51) He’s like, Hey, Ron, Hey, Ron, where’s a Ron at? (1:28:54) And then he just reads all like the names weird, but they’re just like quote unquote, (1:28:59) normal names. (1:29:00) That’s how I communicate with the younger generation. (1:29:03) I’m like, yeah, Aaron, uh, a Ron.(1:29:06) Oh, a Ron. (1:29:07) All of a sudden I’m a cool kid, you know? (1:29:10) Well, I’d like to thank everyone again for coming. (1:29:13) We got over 30 people.(1:29:15) Wow. (1:29:16) That’s pretty awesome. (1:29:18) So we’ve been with Aaron.(1:29:19) And then, like I said, Aaron, meme it up. (1:29:22) My friend is, is basically your, your, uh, what we’re supposed to do, right? (1:29:25) Hey, if you can’t, if you can’t laugh at the BS that’s happening in the world today, (1:29:29) then I guess you’re crying over it. (1:29:31) But if you can laugh over it, I guess we’ll get through it.(1:29:35) It’ll be a joke tomorrow. (1:29:36) I guess I, it’s just laugh more. (1:29:39) It’s the best damn medicine, Mark.(1:29:41) I would agree. (1:29:44) And I, you know what, the more I’ve delved into what the thing is, I’m trying to (1:29:49) deprogram people. (1:29:50) I’m not telling people what to think.(1:29:51) I’m not, that is not, I just need people to use their brain and take information and (1:29:58) then process it and come out to a conclusion. (1:30:00) It does not need to equal my conclusion. (1:30:02) That’s not what I’m looking for.(1:30:05) From, uh, another guy I was watching, he’s teaching me guitars. (1:30:08) He said, I learned how to learn. (1:30:13) Yes, he learned how to learn.(1:30:15) And I thought that was the most beautiful little, and that, I think that’s what (1:30:19) you’re kind of trying to teach is teach people how to learn, how to learn. (1:30:23) Yeah. (1:30:23) And that’s, and I’m actually trying to learn people to at least unlearn what they, (1:30:27) what they were programmed now, because they don’t know they were programmed.(1:30:31) You know what I mean? (1:30:32) People go, oh, I came to all these things myself. (1:30:35) And it’s like, I’m going to tell you right now that can’t be true because no one did (1:30:39) that. (1:30:40) I am guilty of it too.(1:30:41) And the only reason I know this, I can come to you with humility and grace because I was (1:30:46) that person too. (1:30:47) I was that same person who thought I had my own brain and my own mind, but it was just (1:30:53) curated, whatever I was watching or whatever I was being fed, whatever the culture was, (1:30:58) it was not my own. (1:31:00) You have to take a step back.(1:31:01) And like, to your point is when someone brings up an information, like, okay, you know what? (1:31:05) You’re absolutely right. (1:31:06) That’s a really good point. (1:31:08) I didn’t think about that.(1:31:09) Like this intellectual property thing that came up today, absolutely blowing my mind (1:31:12) because I’m trying to figure out how I feel about that. (1:31:15) And I’m, I feel all different ways. (1:31:17) And I don’t know if it’s, if I’m going to come up with the correct way, because I’m (1:31:22) having a lot of people whose other ideas I admire 99% of the time, this thing’s like (1:31:28) slightly different than what I’m thinking.(1:31:30) And I’m wondering, you know what I mean? (1:31:33) So anyway, I say be open. (1:31:37) Appreciate the conversation, Mark. (1:31:39) It was, it was a pleasure and quite fun.(1:31:41) Thank you very much, man. (1:31:42) We’ll have, we’ll have to have something to get together. (1:31:44) We got a bunch of guys on the friends panel too.(1:31:47) So if we have something, if you have a music project or something, let me know. (1:31:50) We can. (1:31:50) It’s a business, always business.(1:31:52) The business of play. (1:31:53) If you can’t play and you can play music and you don’t have to be a good musician, (1:31:58) you can make it up in your mind. (1:32:00) As long as you’re just going, whatever, write it down.(1:32:06) Keep the copy. (1:32:07) Use it for your promos. (1:32:09) We’re going to need it.(1:32:09) We’re going to need a kazoo intro is what we’re going to need for the friends. (1:32:14) So anyone, everyone, thank you so much, everyone. (1:32:18) Take care.(1:32:19) And Oh, just real quick. (1:32:20) The Gandalf podcast. (1:32:22) Once again, we had Lysander Spooner on today.(1:32:25) We had Aaron over 30 people join us. (1:32:28) Once again, it is. (1:32:30) I am shocked that anyone is voluntarily sharing their time with us on an actual (1:32:37) scheduled time when they can watch this later and still get the same information.(1:32:41) So thank you all. (1:32:42) Oh, no. (1:32:43) And I was like, and then I got home and you know, I’m already like running five minutes (1:32:47) late and then the girl.(1:32:48) I was almost out, man. (1:32:49) I almost said, you got to hear the beginning of this. (1:32:51) It wasn’t, it wasn’t bashy, but it was just like, Oh, I was like, I had nothing planned.(1:32:55) My friend. (1:32:56) Look at my name. (1:32:56) A wall.(1:32:58) There it is. (1:32:58) A wall there without leave. (1:33:00) Look at my other name.(1:33:02) A Ron, a Ron, a Ron. (1:33:06) So anyway, once again, we’ve got a wall Aaron on. (1:33:09) Thank you everyone for being on here.(1:33:11) This has been another Knocked Conscious. (1:33:13) It’s been great. (1:33:14) We’ll put everything up.(1:33:15) Join us. (1:33:16) Follow, follow Aaron. (1:33:17) Go on Facebook.(1:33:18) Go on Aaron G rigs. (1:33:20) I believe is where it is. (1:33:22) I’m on that side.(1:33:23) Yeah. (1:33:24) You think it’s different? (1:33:24) That’s just going to, Oh, I got to go that way. (1:33:26) I have to go that way.(1:33:27) If I can figure out above behind. (1:33:30) So thank you again, Aaron, you have yourself a great night. (1:33:33) Take care.(1:33:34) Everyone else. (1:33:35) Everyone else. (1:33:36) Have a great night.(1:33:37) Bye bye.