A conversation about the “The Century of the Self, Part 3” (BBC documentary)

Recorded 11/17/2020 – Chris and Mark discuss The Century of the Self – Part 3: “There is a Policeman Inside All Our Heads; He Must Be Destroyed.” on YouTube (link below).
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Transcript:

(0:19) Hello, we have the emotional intelligence level of a combined nine-year-old. Welcome (0:23) to the show. Welcome from the Treehouse in Phoenix, Arizona.Welcome to Knocked Conscious (0:30) Everyone. From the one of the home offices in Gilbert. Yes.Your casa, in which you (0:36) reside. Yes, yes. But we are recording in the Treehouse today.Today is? As usual, November (0:42) the something. 17th? I don’t know. Yes, and it would be the 17th, sir.Because I know (0:48) Friday was the 13th. Friday was the 13th. Very well done, sir.You do the math. I do. (0:53) I am good at math and stuff.I love the math. Yeah. It’s my favorite.My maths is the favorite (0:58) part of this show. Actually, your maths. All the math.All of it. Yeah. So today is the (1:04) 17th of November, 2020.Lockdown 2.0 is imminently approaching. I thought it already was because (1:09) it’s in the British. Europe started doing it, but I think United States is following (1:13) suit.Just got off the phone with my madre. Oh, America. We’re going to table that, but (1:18) they shut down Philly completely.Restaurants, everything. The last time we talked Philly (1:22) was burning. Yeah.This time it’s shut down. It’s shut down. Because it burnt.It’s amazing. (1:27) What a, God, I love that place though. It’s like home.It’s always going to be home. But (1:32) today we’re going to talk about a serious subject, as we do on these Knocked Consciousesses. Yes.(1:38) Which one is this one, sir? This is the Century of the Self, part three. Now, how do we do three? (1:45) We can do it the German way. That’s the German way.It’s funny. I use that with my mom. I go, (1:50) show me three fingers.Show me three. And she did that. Yeah.Just like from Inglourious Basterds, (1:55) and it was awesome. I didn’t know that. And then she’d ask all her friends.They all do it. They (1:59) all do this. Very interesting.And that’s how they had a big shootout in the bar. And a lot (2:07) Yeah. And then lost her life later.Yeah. Oh, that was rough. But Century of the Self.Yes. Part (2:11) three. Part deux.Part three. Part trois. Très.Très. Yeah. Très.Très. Because we’ve done two. (2:18) We’ve done two.And there’s one more to go after this. The Engineering of Consent was part two. (2:23) Sure.This one, can you, do you know the title? Can you read the entire title? Because it’s like (2:27) a tongue twister. It’s so long. Oh, poop.There’s a policeman in your brain or something like that? (2:33) Yeah. There’s a police man in your head and you got to get him out or something. We got to destroy (2:37) it.We must destroy him. I wrote it down too. Where is it? Uh-oh.There’s a policeman in your (2:43) head and you must destroy it. And we must destroy it. Is that what it was? Yes, that was it.(2:48) Which is weird. You’re like, why am I watching this show? That’s a strange title. (2:52) It is weird because I’ve always found that it’s kind of like podcast titles on the episode titles (3:00) or like show titles are titled something and they have nothing.How, where did you get from? Where (3:05) did you get that number? I can’t believe you redid that. You’re, it’s funny because I’m the, (3:10) I’m not the Virgo and I’m the one freaking out right now. Whoa, bro.This is how I got pulled (3:14) off before bro. Holy fuck. I’m sorry dude.Whoa. I didn’t realize this. Okay.You know how physics (3:20) works with the fulcrum in the way in the end. I didn’t realize it was so unbalanced. It’s (3:23) just like us.Like my brain. Oh dude, sorry. Coming out of episode two, part two, if I may (3:33) kind of synopsize.Yeah. We’re coming out of the fifties, which mass production was happening. (3:39) Bernays and Anna Freud were owning everything and being millionaires with focus groups.And (3:46) what were the, it was a focus group. So what they were called and the Betty Crocker adding the egg (3:51) and all that stuff. And they’re, they’re owning it.Right. Mass production’s working. (3:55) The people are just eating it up.Like, like it’s candy post-World War II post-World War II, (4:00) very conservative. Yes. Just suburban suburbia one stamp, right? One, one size fits all everything.(4:06) Pretty much the same, you know, mass production, right? So every car is pretty much the same. (4:10) Every, every this, that the other is the same. And they were just trying to market it to us by (4:15) with celebrities and by using our brains against us.That is a very good summarization. (4:21) Now we find ourselves coming out of this part and there’s a new kind of rise to a new (4:28) philosophy or psychology that is not about suppressing one’s (4:37) one’s desires, right? Individuality. Well, it’s suppressing one’s desires.(4:42) It’s now to express them. Yes, sir. Right.Self-expression. Self-expression is a big thing. (4:48) Freud always talked about suppressing everything, holding it down.(4:52) Yes. And where would you like to start with this, sir? (4:55) Uh, I’d like to note that this, this second episode, excuse me, the third episode, (4:59) I kind of did a timeline in my, in my brain, in my notes that it’s kind of 1960 to 1980. (5:05) Just so I could see, okay, well, what was happening during those times, you know? (5:10) Okay.It was, it was the, the, the rise of Vietnam. It was, um, Kennedy was assassinated. (5:18) The second Kennedy was assassinated.Um, you know, the turbulent times of the protests (5:24) and kind of to put myself in the shoes of those people during those times of the baby boomers (5:33) growing up, getting drafted. And then as well as going into the seventies that the, you know, (5:38) the Watergate and inflation and, um, Carter and the entire, those two decades were a lot (5:45) of things happened and a lot of changes took place during those times, you know, from the hippie (5:51) movement to disco habit, you know, a lot of things took place during those 20 years and people (5:58) evolved. And I, I, I try to keep that in mind during watching the show and taking notes.(6:04) Do you want to know how I prepared for the sixties to the eighties? (6:08) Uh, you were born. (6:09) I listened to a Billy Joel song. (6:11) Okay.(6:12) He didn’t start the fire, bro. I’m like Doris Day, not Johnny Ray and Nixon Kennedy. (6:17) Yeah.(6:18) It was awesome. Totally walked me through it. (6:20) Of course.History lesson, four minutes. (6:23) And it was, I mean, think what’s interesting is we look at the current times and how fast (6:28) technology goes. Right.And now it’s all digital. But back then in the physical realm, (6:34) I would say the sixties to the eighties were probably, well, I mean, we obviously produced (6:38) a lot in the forties because of the war and stuff, but I mean, like it was just, we were just running (6:42) on all cylinders at that point. It felt like, right.At least in this going into the sixties (6:47) before Vietnam, we were kind of chugging along. Right. I feel like Vietnam changed a lot.(6:53) Oh, I would real. I mean, obviously I wasn’t alive for most of it and I don’t remember it (6:58) at all. So obviously, but I would agree with you, you know, reading history books and watching, (7:05) you know, and listening to my uncle and my, my parents and talk about how, how they used to (7:11) talk about those times.Yeah. I would agree with you completely from my perspective. (7:15) The philosophy in my head is World War II, we were fighting off an enemy and in Vietnam, (7:21) we were the attackers, the aggressors.We went into another country. So that was on us. (7:25) In a war that many people didn’t agree with.Right. And to that, to that point, it was us (7:29) feeling like we were trying to put our footprint in other people, aces in the world. Where in (7:33) World War II, we’re just defending, protecting other people.We were trying to help others. (7:37) Yeah. It seemed much more selfish.And Vietnam wasn’t really even a war. It was conflict. (7:42) Yeah.It was, it slowly ramped up over years. It wasn’t like a million dudes get on a ship. Let’s (7:48) go.Right. It wasn’t a single event or anything like that. Like we, like we had staged.So we’re (7:54) going into this or coming out of the fifties and we’re going from suppressing all your emotions (8:01) to the rise of another kind of self-expression. Correct. Yes, sir.And that was with a protege (8:07) of Freud’s, I believe. Um, Reich. I thought I had, I put Reich Wilhelm Reich.Yes. I, (8:20) my definition of him, I put him as an anti-Freud. Right.But he studied under Freud initially. (8:27) I didn’t get that. Oh, I think that was in the beginning.I hope I don’t misspeak. I mean, (8:31) that’s entirely possible. My understanding was he was, and what happened was this, (8:35) he, then he had philosophical differences with Freud, but he studied under him initially, (8:40) but felt that it was, it was about letting out the, letting out the, the feelings is what keeps (8:47) you from having that deep dark or going into that deep dark place.Like what happened in world war (8:52) one, for example. Yes. So Freud was all about, no, you need to recognize that you’re, you’re evil (8:57) and you need to push it down all the time.This guy said, let it out and little pressure sensors (9:02) things. And you won’t get to the point of boiling over or bubbling over. Right.That’s kind of what (9:06) I got from it. Yeah. And what was interesting was Anna and Edward forced him out of the local (9:14) psychology stuff.So what do you have in your notes, sir? Uh, yeah, I had that Anna Freud and (9:19) Wilhelm Reich at a convention in 1934. Um, they basically ganged up on Reich and just like you (9:27) said, removed him from that. But I had that, that Reich believe that unconscious forces were good (9:34) and not evil, like Freud thought.So literally he believed the opposite of Freud and, and his, (9:41) his and Anna Freud as well. Um, but the main point that I had was that, uh, Wilhelm Reich, (9:48) he was known for the phrase liberate the libido. So he believed that.(9:54) Sex. Yeah. You should get laid.Freud did too. Freud felt that the deepest desires was sex. (10:00) Uh, I, and, and this is where, where I may have misunderstood it.It was my impression that they (10:05) both felt similarly about humans, but suppressing it wasn’t the answer expressing it was if that (10:14) makes sense. So like they would never get to Freud’s level of darkness if they let it out (10:20) intermittently. Yeah.I got you through the libido. Correct. Through sex.Right. And Freud (10:23) also thought sex was big. What was the biggest shock in the early part of that that you remember (10:28) about the sex part? Do you remember a specific? Yeah.That’s um, Anna Freud was celibate. Yeah. (10:34) Her entire, not had a single sexual experience.Yeah. So Wilhelm Reich’s daughter was interviewed (10:41) and she said that Anna Freud was celibate. So, and she was (10:47) bearing the torch for Sigmund Freud’s work, but she had no sexual experience.So I equated it to (10:57) when I had sex ed in seventh grade from a nun and I, um, uh, excuse me, sister, Mary elephant. (11:04) So are you in the back? I mean, you have no, hi, I’m Chris Peralta. I’d like to show you shampoo.(11:10) It doesn’t work, man. What are we doing? Not as true. What the hell? Interesting.(11:17) I never really thought I, can I sell you some shampoo conditioner? No, I don’t buy from a (11:23) bald guy. I never thought about sex ed at a Catholic prep school by virgins. And I can hear (11:32) Sam Kinnison in my head when he makes fun of Dr. Ruth.When was the last time you saw a penis, (11:37) Dr. Ruth, you suck dick on horseback, Annie Oakley, because it’s true. She was 90. She was (11:43) talking to men at the same time while she was laughing to herself.Sure. She was doing a lot (11:50) of the work. I’m that’s a pretty decent doctor.Who’s Dr. Who’s he has to be higher pitched. (11:58) We’ll work on that later. Yeah.Just don’t kick me in the butt. I do give you a B minus forever (12:04) for effort. So that was well played.Yeah. Anna Freud had no idea about sex, but how could she (12:13) have a philosophy that believed that sex pushed everything when she didn’t have it? Like she (12:18) didn’t experience that. It’s stupid.It’s the funniest thing. So we go from suppression to (12:26) expression, but what would this guy, this guy was a little bit of a, he was a different cat. (12:31) Wasn’t he? Yes.Okay. What, what did he invented a machine? Did you put, did you take that down? (12:38) The word on machine? No, that we’re gone. Ray gun.Did you remember the Ray gun? Yeah. I kind (12:44) of just glossed over that because I didn’t think that was well, go ahead. Well, it’s important (12:48) because it speaks to the mind of the person telling you what to do.He had a Ray gun that (12:53) sucked up sexual energy and could create rain clouds and could destroy UFOs in the future. (13:00) It’s from an alien invasion. And then he got busted for saying you cured cancer.I think (13:04) is why he got, he got D D platforms. I guess I wrote that down. Cancel culture.Yeah. That’s, (13:10) that’s, what’s kind of the point about that. He had some Ray gun.It’s pretty awesome. This, (13:14) this documentary I’ve actually suggested to a couple of people, even on the twits. (13:18) And they’re like, thank you so much for telling me about this.This is super (13:22) fascinating. And I said, listen to our podcast after, but still, yeah, I did it just for that. (13:28) Here, listen to four hours.So you can listen to BBC for four hours and then listen to us for (13:33) eight. And then we’ve got 50 episodes at two hours a piece. There’s another a hundred.Here (13:37) you go. Here you go. Just laid on a nice silver platter for you.Boom. Okay. So this guy gets D (13:43) come whatever D platforms, he gets a cancel culture.We get a little cancel culture going. (13:49) And then he, what’s the Esalen Institute. Is that what he started? Or is that the other guy? (13:55) Yes.Yeah, I have that coast, but I think that was him after he got (14:01) back after he unplatformed himself. Yes. He kind of started over.He did it. Correct. (14:06) He reinvented himself.Did I jump? Are we? Oh yeah. You totally did. Oh, (14:13) well then let’s go.Let’s rewind. That’s fine. I mean, I don’t want to jump around.(14:17) What’s what? Jump around. The other note I had in 1950s consumer is King. (14:21) Cause as you mentioned the fifties was the boom and everybody had money because they were back to (14:27) work from the war, et cetera.Buying cars, buying little houses in the suburbs. Yeah. I don’t think (14:32) we need to go on any further on that.No, for sure. The 1960s I had advertising was manipulation. (14:38) That’s my, that’s my wording.Not, not theirs. It was, I mean, all the way from the twenties even. (14:44) Yeah.But it was because in, in the sixties coming out of the fifties, people had more money, (14:52) you know, and they, they had more disposable income. So it wasn’t the culture that had been (14:59) developing for 30 to 40 years of a wants based society versus a needs based society, which we (15:07) mentioned previously was bigger than ever. And they can obviously that has continued exponentially (15:13) since then.So it could, that, I just think that that’s a valid, I mean, a point worth mentioning. (15:19) Yeah. Like people sacrificing now for the future too.And that comes up later. We’ll talk about (15:25) that with the insurance stuff. But so out of the fifties, much more conservative, right? And now (15:31) we’ve got this self-expression.Now people are starting to individualize. Is that where we’re at? (15:35) Um, I have the whole, um, the students accusing corporate America brainwashing, (15:43) social control, the group known as the weatherman began bombing corporations, (15:49) uh, because obviously they believe the war in Vietnam was illegal. Uh, there was references (15:54) to the 1968 democratic national conventions and the, all the protests and all the uprisings, (16:01) these smaller groups believe that they could change the government.They believe that, that (16:08) protests peacefully could, they could create social change that way. And then they realized, (16:15) um, via the democratic convention in 68, as well as the Kent state shooting in 1970, (16:21) that wasn’t the case when the, when the national guard start shooting people, you realize you’re (16:29) outgunned. And that’s what the, the, the leaders of those groups talked about on the, on the (16:33) documentary.Right. And that was the weatherman said they would use any sort of violence to get (16:37) what they want. That group did.Yes. Yeah. That was a, that wasn’t a group of people for sure.(16:44) Right. There actually is a Netflix special about that that just came out in the last few months. (16:50) Trial of the seven.Oh yeah. That’s the one Chicago seven. Didn’t they blow up? Yeah.And (16:54) I think as a trial of the seven Chicago seven, something like that. They’re the ones who blew (16:58) up that four block radio earth for that huge area. Didn’t they? It wasn’t that I don’t know (17:02) what they blew up.They blew up something. I think it was that or New York city. The dude (17:05) had an amazing, amazing puffy.It was kind of Afro 70 hair. Oh, so bad ass with lamb chops. (17:13) You just love hair, bro.Yeah. But he looks cool, man. You like hair and metal.(17:20) Hello. So I, I, I thought it was interesting how they went in with the idea of changing (17:28) the social landscape through protests. And then they met a brick wall when the government (17:33) unleashed the guns on them and they like, Oh, we’re going to lose.Yeah. And they backtracked. (17:39) Yeah.Which they kind of had to. There’s not much choice there. Yeah.Unfortunately. Well, (17:44) I mean, violence with violence doesn’t, that obviously doesn’t solve anything. (17:48) And one of the guys said it was obvious they were outgunned or something to that effect.(17:52) You recall that comment? Yes. Yeah. They definitely were outgunned and that’s the thing you can only (17:56) do so much, uh, before you’re overrun and people start getting killed by the, a lot and surviving (18:02) for, right.And so, yeah. And you have to survive, right. And you have to get away and you stay (18:07) alive.So it makes total sense. Um, I found that interesting as well. The weather manner, (18:13) we probably could, yeah, we probably should watch that.Probably, probably, probably. All right. (18:17) Okay.You talk me into it. I’ll do that tonight. Now this is where we start going.We, (18:24) people started feeling, but to your point, oppressed or suppressed by the government, (18:30) not the government per se, but by the big business, right. His business was holding them down. (18:35) And they, this is how they freed themselves was to destroy the policemen in their head.(18:40) Right. They said, there’s a policeman in your head. The way to get through that is to not (18:45) be part of that by internally not being part of it.Yes. Versus because they found they couldn’t (18:51) change the system. So they went to change themselves within the system.It’s kind of (18:57) how I, I put down the movement just to change oneself. Okay. Also known as a yippee.Oh yeah. (19:04) Y I P P I E. Mr. Rubin. Making a new you.Yeah. And that’s where they turn back to, to right. (19:10) Yes.And they go back there and, um, they start doing the, is it when they start having those (19:18) classes? That’s where they put them on the hot seat. Yes. Where they, they talk to their (19:23) inner demons, which I was fascinated by.I was blown away by the first guy who said, I’m going (19:30) to kill. I can kill all of you. I can destroy you.Why don’t you back up and tell our fantastic (19:35) listeners what, what they, what did Wilhelm Reich ask that guy to do? Why don’t you do me a favor? (19:42) Go grab that stick of fury and you should tell me a story time. Okay. Can you reach it? Of course (19:48) I can.You have to go all the way out of frame. Oh shit. It moved.Where it moved to from? I (19:52) thought it was over here. Oh yeah. A little moved.I mean, it’ll move back. We just, we haven’t, (19:56) uh, all right, ladies and gentlemen, story time with the stick of fury. Let’s go friars.Oh shit. (20:04) Wrong one. Hi boys and girls.It’s story time with Christopher Peralta. No, it’s your turn, (20:14) sir. Oh, it’s my turn.It’s your turn. You’re going to tell the story. So sorry.I talk too (20:17) much, man. Uh, Wilhelm Reich was sitting, it was, it looked like a group therapy session. (20:24) So he asked one of the guys to put, take out his inner demon and put it on the table and talk to (20:36) it.And what would he say to it? And then the guy had a conversation with the inner demon. (20:43) Then he said, okay, now talk to me like you are your inner demon. And the dude, (20:53) it was deranged.He said, I will kill you. I will kill all of you. It was, I can destroy you.It (21:01) was wow. Holy shit. It was, it was crazy.The things that I probably should have quoted it (21:10) better, but it was disturbing. It’s worth watching. We’re teasing it.So you watch it. (21:16) Sure. We’re not just going to completely describe it.Well, it was cool. And no one else seemed (21:22) scared in that room. It terrified me.I was like on the edge of my seat and started talking. I’m (21:28) like, weird. Is he going to come at me or, you know, if I were in that room.It was 3d bro. (21:33) Well, if he was in the room. Yeah.It was a century of self 3d in IMAX theater. It was Oculus (21:39) in four by three, uh, full screen, all that shit. That was horrible.That was weird. That was (21:47) horrible. It’s a doc conscious.They get better. I can destroy it. I can melt your mind.I can (22:00) destroy you. I can kill you right now. I can destroy you.You know what that interview alone, (22:07) which took 90 seconds, I think is worth watching that whole hour. Yeah. And it was in black and (22:13) white.It was so creepy, man. Absolutely. For sure.And, uh, so after the story time, (22:22) yes. After this guy, uh, is this, yeah. What’s next on that? Cause I think it was, (22:26) is I have the human potential movement and this is where you said the Esalen Institute.(22:30) Okay. That’s where there were 200 centers across America. And this, uh, mentioned they had, (22:40) um, I don’t know why I put racist meetings here.Yeah, that’s exactly what he called them. Yeah. (22:45) They were well, they had racial meetings where basically they brought African American or black (22:50) people together, uh, African American or black and, or people of color and white people.Now, (22:57) I think the one guy said the blacks and the whites now obviously is an older guy from an (23:02) older generation. Please, uh, not defending the words, but excuse the time. You know what I mean? (23:07) That’s what the guy said.Yeah. The guy said blacks and whites. Okay.And he said the blacks (23:10) would use it as an opportunity to gang up on the whites. And he goes, and they let us have it. (23:15) Do you remember him? I do my, my, I believe what he said was it was a disaster.That was what my, (23:22) my notes. That is correct. It was an absolute disaster.They said, (23:26) and then I, they also had meetings at a large convent, which I like to call the nunnery, (23:33) which is not a word, but I don’t care. In Los Angeles, there was 600 nuns there. And they did (23:38) an X, they did a psychological experiment on these nuns on how they can be more self-expressive.(23:44) So a bunch of nuns decided, Hey, we’re not going to wear our habits anymore. So they started going (23:51) out and buying clothes, but they were still nuns. And over six months, half of the nuns (23:58) left the convent.And then six months later, the convent shut down. (24:03) I’d like to go back to the other one. Yeah, of course.Just because of the impact I had, (24:07) because, but I do want to also talk about that. Very interesting because we were going to deep (24:13) dive, try to try to deep dive in both. Sure.Do you remember the person of color, uh, basically (24:18) yelling to the guy, the smug looking guy with the glasses, the white guy chewing the gum. And (24:22) he’s like, it’s yours too. He wasn’t lying, but that’s not how the guy felt.You know what I mean? (24:28) Yeah. And the guy’s just yelling your cops, you pigs, you got your cops, you got your buildings. (24:33) And the other guy’s like, they’re yours too.You know, and I was, his composure was pretty good. (24:38) And I think he was letting him, but then he started laughing almost at him. And I didn’t, (24:42) that made me uncomfortable.Yeah. That wasn’t a smart thing to do. Yeah.And second of all, (24:46) you have to think that that was a very, very, very different time. Yes. We’re talking, (24:54) you know, 25, 30 years ago, if not more so.Well, 1970 is 50 years. Oh, is that when that was? I (25:01) didn’t know. It was before it was in that time.So say 80, let’s just go 80. Cause this is where (25:06) it stops. It’s at least 40 years.Okay. So it was at least 40 years ago. Right.So you’re talking (25:11) about the, the, the, the culture and the race relations was vastly different than it is today. (25:22) Just 10 years removed from say segregate, like segregate. Well, yeah.64 was voting rights. (25:27) 64 is a big one. Right.So even if you think about, okay, we’ve come a long way, (25:33) but we still have problems. Right. So, you know, they, they made an attempt to have (25:40) civil discourse and it, it backfired to say the least.Right. And I remember the other, (25:46) the two, two or three African-American gentlemen, people of color talking to the one gentleman, (25:51) the reason you’re here is different than the reason I’m here. So like, it almost was, (25:56) it was set up for failure only because the intent wasn’t the same.Like, no, they weren’t all on the (26:01) same foundation. If that makes sense. Like the reasoning for being there wasn’t all to just get (26:06) it out.It was, you know, for an, an agenda or for something, you know, whether it’s to backlash (26:13) or to do something like that. Yeah. I see what you’re saying.So then we get to your point. Then (26:18) we get to this, to the church, to the school. Was it a school or a convent? It was a convent.(26:22) Convent. I like get thee to a nunnery. The human potential movement.Yeah. And so what happened (26:28) with these women, they said they were allowed to wear whatever they were, well, dress by their (26:33) clothes, right? They got rid of the habits and the, and the hats, I guess. Is the habit part, (26:39) is the hat part of the habit? Is it like a hood? Is it like a hoodie? Is it all connected? (26:44) It’s not connected.Okay. So I guess, um, what the hell is that called? And I know this one. (26:49) The Hattery? Well, I’ll, I’ll let you chew on that while we’re, I think habit.No, (26:55) has habit the, the outfit, the outfit, right? Shit. I was one for Halloween and I don’t even (27:02) know the answer, man. You were just a nun’s hat for Halloween.I was a nun, bro. Sister (27:08) Mary Elephant. What year was this? Oh, I don’t know.2005. Sister who? Sister Mary Elephant (27:12) from Cheech and Chong. Class.Class. Shut up. I gotta go to the can, man.Excuse me, sir. (27:22) Give me that knife. Thank you.The first thing I did on my summer vacation, I got up, (27:30) I went outside and look for a job. Then I hung out by the community store. (27:35) Isn’t that what that was? Is that what that’s from? That’s the weirdest tangent ever, I think.(27:40) We stay pretty much on point. So we’re back to the nunnery and these women started being more (27:48) free and expressive with a lot of things. Yes.Started smoking. I didn’t, I don’t believe so. (27:54) Did I? I may have missed that.Maybe they were freedom torches from the twenties. (27:57) Edward Bernays. But yeah, but they started dressing and then they started like (28:03) coercing each other and seducing each other.I recall one of the younger, one of the younger (28:09) nun’s sisters was on a day trip with one of the older nuns and when they got back to the convent, (28:16) she planted one on her lips and she liked it. One of the older ones. So yeah, they had a little (28:23) affair.Yeah. And we find out, uh, they were, think about that. Think about what the nuns were.(28:28) They were all Freud, right? Suppress, suppress, suppress, suppress. And then they would get (28:32) exposed to that freedom. And you hear that story, like Catholic, Catholic school, boys and girls (28:38) coming out of everything.Catholic was suppressed, dude. Right. And going into college, how explosive (28:44) college is for you, right? Like how much did you like, I don’t know massively, but I couldn’t wait (28:50) to leave and do everything the opposite.Sleep in and grow your hair, not get yelled at, not go to (28:57) mass, drink everything in sight. I mean, do everything that I wasn’t supposed to do. That’s (29:03) the whole point.I remember getting yelled at by my mom or I don’t know if yell, that’s the right (29:07) term, but everything just seemed like an argument. So, um, not answering my phone in college. (29:14) You mean you were there and you let it ring? You know, it’s like a ringing phone is cannot be left (29:20) unanswered is such an old school like thought.What if, yeah, I don’t, I don’t want to talk to (29:26) anybody. Yeah, I’m good. Mom.Thanks. Take it off the hook, dude. I’m just unplugged.That’s (29:33) for like, you know, for the whole house. Yeah. For the first people.Yeah. I’m not going to turn it (29:38) off. You know, that’d probably be douchey to everybody.I’d be like, Oh, I don’t know what (29:41) happened. I don’t know how that happened. Whoopsies.Well, now I just don’t even have my, (29:47) I don’t have my phone near me. I know when I called you. Oh shit.I forgot. You don’t answer (29:52) your phone. Hey man, I’m so sorry.Click, click, click. I forgot. You don’t answer your phone.(29:57) Call me. That’s how it works. Look, I’m, I’m able to disconnect because I have to connect sometimes.(30:03) So I have to turn it off. But, um, so we get to there and a woman seduces a younger woman (30:09) and this older nun, correct? So she’s just getting all, I think they said that’s how it started with (30:14) the younger one. And then she seduced an older one.I think is what I hear her like heard today, (30:18) but I may have misheard, you know, misremembered and stuff, whatever. But, um, and then half of (30:24) them left and the whole thing shut down. Right? Like the whole nunnery went away or the, and the (30:28) convent, the convent is a rectory is where the priests live.Oh, the convent is called the (30:35) rectory. Hey now. Anyway.Yeah. So, so coming up. So, um, twice now this has failed miserably.(30:46) Self-expression didn’t seem to go so well for keeping, well, at least for keeping the reins (30:51) for holding onto the reins, keeping society together. It hasn’t helped. Has it? Right.(30:57) Cause it seemed like they were, things were a lot more, I wouldn’t, I would, I would say (31:02) harmonious, but I would maybe because people were oppressed and repressed and repressed (31:06) themselves and whatever. It just seemed to function. Didn’t seem as glaringly of a mistake (31:12) to not function.And then when we started expressing it, then we saw how dysfunctional (31:16) we are as a country, maybe just a thought. Hasn’t that been true for a long time though? (31:23) Probably, but not being able to express it or something is probably what we’ve (31:26) people never think about it until that point. (31:30) Yeah.I mean, it was a little of that and probably, I mean, a lot of people were (31:33) conservative, like bite your tongue, right? Yeah. You just went to work and raise your (31:37) two and a half kids and shut the hell up. Yeah.You just kind of tried to get through life (31:40) cause life is hard enough and stupid, stupid life. It’s the worst man. It’s like, (31:47) you know, this place would be great if it wasn’t for the life.It’s terrible. (31:52) So what happened after the, uh, the church? (31:56) After the church, uh, I have love and a positive way of life. Uh, corporations, (32:05) especially life insurance corporations noticed that policies were not being purchased.(32:11) And why was that, sir? Uh, due to the fact that people didn’t give a shit that they (32:15) were going to die. No, I just made that up. Uh, due to the fact that they were experiencing (32:20) different ways of life’s life and expressing themselves differently.(32:26) Yep. And they were living in the, now they weren’t planning. And that’s where it came.(32:29) That’s where that phrase, the sacrifice, the future came. Cause in life insurance is all about, (32:34) you know, putting stuff away for the future, right? In case I go, you’re taking care of (32:39) whatever. But when you start getting into yourself, right, start looking at your own (32:43) desires and, and get feeding into them.You find out that the future and someone else doesn’t (32:50) really matter ultimately. Yes. Right.So they needed to get Bernaysian and Freudian and get (32:57) them somehow back to buying life insurance. Cause it, it was that industry specifically, (33:05) right? Then they hire. Yeah.Uh, the way I ensure, well, what I noticed was that (33:11) there was one guy they did the interview specifically about the life insurance. (33:15) And they said that the people that were no longer buying policies were not following (33:20) the Protestant way of life or the Protestant practice, right? Of the Judeo-Christian values. (33:27) Right.So he didn’t say that they no longer went to church or they knit. He didn’t say any of that, (33:33) but they fell away from planning for the future in that respect. Free love didn’t have families, (33:39) which led me exactly.That led me to believe, okay, are we, are we talking about the hippie (33:43) movement? They never said that. Right. Cause they call the yippies, but then they, (33:48) they have the hippies and it really was a free love.Yeah. Hippies were part of the free love. (33:53) Yeah.But they never said the hippie. Right. They never used the word, but they, I mean, (33:57) this was in the 1960s.So it would make perfect sense that hippies would not buy life insurance (34:02) because they’re buying weed and VW bugs. No shit. So I think hippies were part of it, but I think it (34:07) was more of a national, a hippie seemed to be a West coast, San Francisco thing.Yes, sir. Right. (34:12) Yes, sir.And this seemed to be more like national. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think they (34:17) were trying to be a little more broader brush.Hippies were part of that, but they weren’t. The (34:22) only reason they brought up the yippies is because they brought up the philosophy of the yippie. (34:26) Okay.That I think pushed into that. And I think to your point, they were implying hippie (34:31) as part of that for sure. Yeah.What did you think about all that? Like when the free love stuff, (34:38) cause it basically was spitting in the face of the tradition, right? Yeah. I think it’s great. (34:43) There’s a constant battle of, well, yeah, I love it.Like, Hey, I don’t want to buy life insurance. (34:49) Oh, then don’t good for you, dude. Well, that’s the thing is like, can we just do whatever the (34:54) fuck we want as long as we don’t hurt somebody else.Right. But you also got to think if you (34:57) have a wife and two kids and you don’t prepare and something does happen to you, they’re fucked. (35:04) Especially back then.Cause generally many times it was a single income. Yes. Then your wife is (35:11) going to be like, Oh my God, I have to find a new husband to provide for me because it’s 1963.Right. (35:16) So unless you’re obviously, unless the husband was in the military or, you know, something along (35:20) those lines, but still you’re still portion of, of the income. Correct.Very true. Garner without. (35:26) So I, obviously I’m a very responsible person for the most part.So except when it comes to (35:33) Legos or Lego, my ego, bro. Can you, can you quad quadruple that one? No, I don’t even know (35:41) what that means, bro. Hashtag hashtag quadruple.Oh, it’s the hashtag Lego, my ego. Go ahead. (35:50) What are you doing? So Lego.So when you’re playing in Lego and you have your life insurance, (35:55) what are you going to give everything to your dogs? What are you doing? I don’t, you dude. (35:59) Oh, sweet. Yes.Let me give you all my information now. Just like the King of Kenya last week, (36:04) I got an email and they’re like, I can get you money. And I said, okay, will someone (36:09) wash the Royal penis? That’s Zamunda bro.I know. Not Kenya. Oh, that’s right.It wasn’t (36:15) a totally different country. Darn it. I am no longer the Prince of Zamunda.I renounced my (36:20) throne. Okay. Uh, so you are planner.Yes. So tell us more about your planning. I would, (36:27) I would make sure that I had life insurance to cover the cost of my funeral, blah, blah, blah, (36:31) blah, blah.It’s just seems the right thing to do. It seems it’s $9 bro. It’s like big fucking deal.(36:39) It’s it’s nothing. So you know what I mean? Big, big deal. Who cares? Yeah.So I don’t have life (36:48) insurance, but you probably get it free through your job. Well, I get one year’s worth, right? (36:52) Which is enough to right. And Meg Z is the benefactor, right? But I guess the issue is that (37:00) at this point, and there’s a Van Halen song about it, it costs more to get buried than it does to (37:05) get born, which is horrible grammar.And I apologize. So the problem is if your funeral (37:10) is seven or $9,000 and you die with zero, someone’s going to get an $8,000 bill. That’s the issue.(37:19) I’m with you. We are now going to call it Octothorpe, by the way. What’s Octothorpe? (37:23) It is the technical name for a hashtag.So the pound sign. Okay, fine. I’m going to go Octothorpe (37:29) because I’m a fucking nerd.Can I go LB sign? Yeah. Yeah. Drop the LBs.LBs. I need to drop (37:36) some LBs. We all need to drop some LBs.I lost some and then I turn around and found it. Where (37:42) were they? Oh, there it is. Hey, Mira, there it was.Yeah, Octothorpe, but Octothorpe, Lego, (37:51) my Eggo bro. Yeah. I like Lego, my Legos.We still need to microbes. We still need microbes. Yeah.(37:57) Mary’s working on it. Is she? Yes. I gave her an assignment.Wow. Cool. I like, I like homework.(38:02) Right. You really love yanking your wanky. Hey, now.You yank your wanky. I’m going to need food. (38:07) The other thing I had regarding this, the life insurance is that advertising had to figure out (38:12) how to market themselves to this group and how would manufacturing adapt to this? That was my (38:19) own point.They really didn’t talk about that a lot, but I thought that was interesting because (38:24) as you had a very good point, the fifties was mass production. It was the same cars. It was the (38:29) same houses.It was the same. Everything was cookie cutter, right? Well, now you have this (38:34) new generation, basically the baby boomers, right? That are coming of age. And they’re like, (38:39) yeah, I don’t want that shit, man.I don’t, I I’m good. I don’t want that huge boat of a Chrysler. (38:45) No, not only do I want something different, I want my own thing.And I don’t care if something (38:50) is someone else wants it or not. Like I want what I want. It’s different.It’s not just, (38:56) you know, it’s not like they just shrunk like to your point cars, right? It’s not like he said, (39:00) oh, that book car is too big. Let’s go smaller. No, they said, I want my car.I want my type of (39:05) car. So it became very individualized. Yes.And, and we get into that a little bit down the road. (39:11) What I wanted to talk about though, too, was to your point, (39:17) they’re growing up and wanting to be individuals, right? Versus the cookie cutter stuff. Yeah.What (39:23) was your previous note? It it’ll re-trigger a thought. Advertising to this new group. Yes.(39:27) So think about this back in the day, from my understanding, if I remember correctly, (39:32) insurance was not like progressive didn’t do home auto life, whatever they had auto insurance, (39:39) right? Like insurances were very, I think specific, right? So you could only get, (39:45) it wasn’t like you had all state life insurance. You had all state car insurance. And that’s all, (39:49) all state did was car.Right. And I, I feel like in the beginning, that’s how those companies (39:54) started. Right.And then they expanded on them. Progressive didn’t have homeowners insurance until (39:58) pretty recently, I think, you know what I mean? So I think, so you’re talking about an industry here (40:03) that everybody’s been feeding into this system. And now those people from world war two are (40:09) starting to die and they don’t have any money coming in behind it.Imagine how scary that (40:16) feeling is. Cause the industry, like think about if every, I have, I have progressive for example, (40:22) right? Imagine if every progressive customer got in a car accident all at the same time. Oh yeah.(40:27) That’s really progressive is out of business because they don’t make money. They get more (40:31) in than they ever pay out at the time because it’s a business, right? That’s what, well, (40:35) that’s what makes it know what I’m saying is insurance is everyone pays into this bucket (40:38) and they pay out strips and drafts. So it drips out as it’s flooding in.Correct. But imagine if (40:44) it flooded out. Correct.And I think that’s where life insurance was like, Oh shit. Okay. Right.(40:50) Yeah. So they, it makes total sense that they were the ones who kind of caught onto that. (40:56) Imagine if they didn’t and it just kind of, you know what I mean? If they didn’t get aggressive (40:59) with it.That’s, I mean, that’s happened time and time again. When, you know, look at, look at, uh, (41:09) shit, train of thought crashed. I, I shut up too.I, oh poop. Okay. Look at, uh, who’s the company (41:19) who’s the company that was catalog based that didn’t adapt to the damn internet (41:25) that pages sky mall.Yeah. Um, uh, I don’t know. I don’t know the Sears catalog.Okay. (41:34) Sears catalog. No, it makes sense.I got you. You’re talking about the Sears catalog versus (41:38) the online presence. Just think about how Sears didn’t adapt the same thing.Like (41:46) these insurance companies did adapt and they did go, Oh shit. If we don’t adapt, (41:52) we’re screwed. Yeah.That’s what I’m saying. Imagine that Sears did not get on the bandwagon (41:56) and they are dead. Right.And they’ve closed by me. And I like Sears, you know, that’s where I go (42:04) buy jeans and whatever the fuck. So obviously not anymore.They used to be one of the companies (42:12) Sears or Roebuck man. Well, I’m saying there was one of the companies that the Dow Jones was based (42:16) on. Right.That number that we see is based on what, 30, it’s only like 35 or 50 companies. Yeah. (42:21) That number that we see that, you know, whatever.Yeah. The 10,000, 20,000, 26, whatever the number (42:26) is. That’s only a portion of the actual stocks.It’s only certain companies. Sears used to be (42:31) one of those. Correct.Think about how they were the Xerox of departments. You know what I mean? (42:35) Like they’re the Coke. Yeah.They were the Polaroid of instant. Yeah. They found, (42:39) they started department stores.Yeah. It’s unbelievable. You know, Woolworths did the (42:43) same thing.They collapsed. But they didn’t adapt. Right.And they had the perfect, (42:46) they were a catalog business. Right. And they just, they just went, Oh, the internet.No, (42:50) thank you. Yeah. Yeah.And then they’re gone. Same thing. These insurance companies.Yeah. So (42:55) interesting. And it’s so cool that they discovered that though, because now that someone found like, (43:00) saw that going, Oh shit.You know, it wasn’t just income. They started paying out premiums. I’m (43:05) sure from people starting to pass right after war too.Yeah. And going, um, we’re not getting in as (43:11) much as we’re putting out. That’s basic math too.Yeah. Yeah. But you know, but a lot of times the (43:16) left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.Yeah. But if you see that trend over (43:20) six, nine, 12, 18 months, and they probably reacted quicker than that. I bet.I mean, (43:24) they were probably on top of it. I’m just saying kudos to them to do it. You would have to be, (43:27) if you see your profits going down, that’s going to show, that’s going to be a big red flag.Right? (43:31) Absolutely. Yep. And that’s, you know, it’s interesting.(43:38) Next. Next. They, uh, they, then they did, I’m trying not to say the S O word.Okay. And it’s (43:45) really hard. Cause I keep seeing that I’m going blah, blah, blah.It’s like the interjection, (43:50) right? I’m trying to get right to the point. And, um, my point was they started advertising (43:56) and how did they do that? What did they do? Do you have anything down about that? I did not. Okay.(44:00) But basically they kind of had to, they reacted by changing their tactic. Correct. (44:08) Next.Next. Uh, next on the list, sir, is Warner Earnhardt. He started a movement known as EST (44:18) where individuals could learn how to be themselves.This was an intense movement (44:24) that came out of the human potential movement. Yeah. So this is basically where the individual (44:32) is really at its most powerful or highest peak kind of in a way.Yeah. Um, I had that, uh, the (44:40) program removed constrictions and rules on society. Everyone has grown up with my notes were, (44:50) seems like some crazy, stupid bullshit.That’s the one where they all laid on the ground and (44:56) yelled, right? Screamed, cried. No, this is the one where they were all in a room and then they, (45:01) they held a guy against the wall. Oh, that’s right.Push against two bigger guys. And they (45:05) said, push back against us. Yes.Push harder. Push back against us. I was like, motherfucker, (45:09) I paid you get up, get off of me and give me my money.I’m leaving now. You don’t like conflict. (45:15) Well, I’m like, dude, fuck off.You’re a lover. Yeah. I’m like, I don’t need you.Fuck you. I (45:21) love people. I love you, bro.Where’s my money, motherfucker. So the way I looked at it is (45:27) and the, the gentleman Werner Earnhardt that founded it, when they interviewed him years (45:31) after though, this was very, very popular. Hundreds of thousands of people went to this, (45:36) including some very famous people.John Denver was interviewed at back in the day and he was (45:41) leaving on a jet plane. Even the John Denver experience, he was singing, he was singing, (45:46) leaving on a jet plane. So the documentary is worth it just to hear John Denver sing and the (45:52) guy with the inner demon, John Denver’s inner demon, the John Denver experience.So didn’t he (45:59) crash and explain like an experimental, I believe it was a Y plane. So I wing fighter. Yes.That’s (46:06) cool. It was an experimental, correct? I don’t know. Wasn’t that him that crashed and he died (46:10) in a plane crash off the coast.He, I think he was flying. That was Kennedy kits. That’s a (46:15) different bro.It’s either John Denver or the other guy. I get mixed up. Rocky Colorado guy.(46:23) It’s the same guy. Johnson Boise. I don’t know, bro.The way I equated this program. (46:30) Um, when, when the, when the founder Werner Earnhardt broke it down, he said they stripped (46:35) down a person’s core layer by layer of what society has built up. And I equated that to (46:46) the military.How will you go to, and I’ve said this before on other podcasts, when you go in (46:50) basic training, they break you down so they can build you back up as a Marine or as a (46:57) soldier or Navy air force, et cetera, airmen. So I equated it to that in a way where they, (47:05) they break down everything, you know, so that you can build yourself back up. (47:10) I agree.Uh, I thought it was a little slightly different. Whereas where the military gives you (47:16) back like discipline and puts instills discipline type stuff. True.This was more freeing. Yes. (47:21) It was actually deconstructing not to put something on top of it, just to literally strip (47:28) it away.Correct. But the military does strip it away. Right.But then they put, they replace it (47:33) with structure. Right. The first half, right.The strip away part is worked fine. But once again, (47:40) didn’t we talk about systems that don’t have something to replace it? Look what happens. (47:45) That’s some crazy, stupid bullshit.You get some crazy, stupid bullshit. You get some guy telling (47:49) you to push against him. Hundreds of thousands of people went to this.We’re all human. We get (47:56) sucked into a trend. It’s a fad.Who talks about keto? I know a hundred thousands of people that (48:01) go keto, bro. Yeah. Sure.And so did South beach and so did Atkins. Okay. The correct answer.(48:11) Oh, this is it. Are you ready? People think we’re shit. Oh, that’s true too.But no, (48:17) that is also correct. Bob, tell him what he’s won. So the keto works comma, but tortillas.(48:25) True. That’s it. That’s the, that’s the entire argument.I believe the shirt has got carbs. (48:32) Yeah. And rice motherfuckers.That’s that’s carbs, bro. I know. That’s why I don’t do (48:39) because I love tortillas and they love me.You know, I would totally be pescetarian if it wasn’t (48:44) for all the red meat, pork and fucking people. And yes, Joe Piscopo, Italian. You’re not an (48:51) Amby Turner.Oh man. What was, was that from the Mars episode? That was from Zoolander. (49:00) Yeah.But what, didn’t we call each other Amby something, Amby bros, Amby something. I think (49:07) we get out of, okay, now these guys are telling you to push against each other and they’re (49:11) basically stripping away all the societal conformity, right? Yeah. But they’re not (49:16) replacing it with any kind of other structure.They’re just taking away all the restrictions. (49:20) They’re letting you do it yourself. And now you’re a human that has zero constraints.(49:26) How does that work out for you ladies and gentlemen? Thank you so much. I wouldn’t, (49:30) I wouldn’t mind that if, if, if there wasn’t a dude yelling at me, I would be okay with it. (49:36) You know why? Because you actually have self-discipline.Imagine not and having that (49:42) taken away. Remember the stripping is, would be all of the, your pre-programmed respect, courtesy, (49:50) holding a door, you know what I mean? Like, think about that. Or would that be removed too? (49:54) Yeah, because it’s society.Society told you to do that. Right. And then would my discipline be (49:58) removed also? I would think society instilled that in you.Why would you want to, you know, (50:02) I would guess that they just went the full nine, right? The whole nine yards. (50:06) Hey now. Hey now.That’s one of your phrases, isn’t it? The whole nine yards of the gun. (50:12) The ammunition, I think. Yes.The ammunition thing. Anyway. So that’s my thought on that.(50:18) What, any, any other thought on the push against me, bro? (50:24) I, it’s, it’s, I think it’s fucking dumb. I also, well, I also. But I, I like the idea of (50:33) removing negative things from your life and building yourself back in a positive way.(50:41) I think the idea is great. May I ask two questions? (50:45) You can ask as many as you’d like, sir. Don’t you think that you and I are already (50:49) similar to those people without needing like to spend money on something? We.(50:56) Cash money? You and I do live in society. We are in this world, but we are not of this world. (51:01) What? We are clearly not of this world.And what I mean by that is. (51:06) I’m a pescatarian? No, Joe Piscopo has nothing to do with this, sir. (51:10) Um, nor Joe Pesci, a Pesci, I’m a Pesci-tarian.Okay. Okay. Okay.Okay. Okay. Okay.Okay. Okay. (51:16) Um, my point about that is, uh, you and I have, do see those manipulations in society, (51:24) do we not? We, we address them on the show.What are we talking about right now? (51:28) Right. This whole thing’s about manipulation, right? Well, you and I though, already we do (51:32) go into the world seat with our eyes wide open looking for that. So we have a higher propensity (51:38) of finding it when we look for it.Why are you giving me a finger, bro? I want to see if you’re (51:42) paying attention. I’m paying the fuck attention. Uh, ladies and gentlemen on the podcast world, (51:50) Christopher was scratching in the bridge of his nose with his middle finger and thinking I (51:54) wouldn’t notice somehow.That makes one of us, sir. Hey, that’s why I have you here, sir. (52:03) Cheers to that.But, but what we were talking about was, um, you and I (52:13) already are trying to be anti-conformist in those, in that respect. (52:19) Uh huh. Are, are we now? Yes.Excellent. Um, so we already know what, or we’re looking for those (52:29) pitfalls. It’s, it takes work though, to do it.But I think like the people that force it, that (52:36) don’t have that innate feel, I bet that probably backfired a lot because for you and I, we (52:41) understood what we were getting into. I think we already looked at the ramifications down the road (52:47) of what stripping away society for us would do for us. And we knew we needed to still have (52:52) certain levels of decorum.Courtesy, discipline, self, you know, self-awareness, I guess. (52:59) Right. I wouldn’t, I mean, there’s a lot of, there’s things about myself that I don’t like, (53:03) that I would like to remove.I like to be better at, I mean, but that’s true with everyone. So (53:07) I’m no different than anyone else in that respect, obviously. So.(53:11) Absolutely. But we also know that we, living within society is a pain in the ass. (53:16) Well, yeah, but it’s like a necessary evil, right? We love, we, don’t get me wrong.I’d love (53:22) to live in the backwoods and hunt for my own food and stuff, but that’s not very practical. I would (53:28) be, I’d be dead like the Call of the Wild guy. I wouldn’t even make it a week.(53:33) He made it for a while. (53:34) He made it for months. I don’t think I’d make it that long.I just, I’d love to want, I mean, (53:40) don’t get me wrong. I’d love to try that, but knowing I could crawl back would be great. Like (53:45) if I just had to just up and burn all my shit and walk, I don’t think.(53:48) Walk the earth like Kung Fu. (53:50) Like a grasshopper. (53:54) We’re done.Okay. We’re, uh, do we have a next one or what else do you have on that? (53:59) Well, where were we at? This, uh, stripping away society, right? (54:03) Uh, John Denver, crazy, stupid bullshit. Uh, we are now up to 1980 self actualization, (54:12) which I don’t even know how to spell that shit.(54:13) A C T U A L I Z A T I O. (54:17) I was totally wrong. (54:18) Self actualization. (54:20) I forgot the T. (54:21) Can I get it? Can I get that in a sentence? (54:23) You are not self actualizationing.(54:27) Self actualization. I hope I spelled that right. (54:32) So is that basically what the guy was doing at those, at those intense sessions becoming (54:42) self actualized? (54:43) I think they were trying to be.(54:45) Right. (54:46) I mean, I, and that’s the point is like, remember, take away society. (54:53) Society has certain civilities to it as well.(54:58) Taking away all the civilities. (55:00) You are now a base human. (55:02) That’s a fucking animal.(55:06) Yes. (55:07) That’s an animal. (55:07) There’s no way.(55:09) Without caveman. (55:09) Without another control system in place for you, whether it’s done by yourself or some other (55:16) thing, you’re a fucking animal at that point, I think. (55:20) And that’s dang, that’s dangerous to go back to our instincts.(55:25) I, in my opinion, I mean, I don’t get me wrong. (55:27) I love people who express themselves freely. (55:29) You know, you and I both are freedom of expression people.(55:32) That’s not what we’re saying, but I think. (55:35) But that’s not what self actualization means, is it? (55:39) What do you think that means? (55:42) I don’t really know what that term means. (55:44) Is there a definition that they either? (55:46) No, dude.(55:47) I’m just, what do you, what does it mean for you? (55:52) What dude, what actually, what I wrote down was Amway. (55:59) Because my parents did Amway for like 20 years. (56:02) And like, oh, we want to be diamond club and all this shit.(56:05) And they went to all the meetings every Tuesday. (56:07) My dad had all these tapes and it was the dumbest shit in the world. (56:11) And they made like $9.(56:13) And they had the vitamins and the dish soap and the laundry soap. (56:18) And, and they really thought they were going to sign people up and make money. (56:23) They really believed they were going to make money.(56:26) And they, that’s to me, my dad listened to the tapes for like positive reinforcement. (56:32) And it’s going to be a great day and no one’s going to ruin your day. (56:36) And all those types of things.(56:40) Almost mantra. (56:41) Yeah. (56:42) Yeah.(56:42) Tony, like pre Tony Robbins type shit. (56:45) Right. (56:46) So, and this was like in the seventies and eighties.(56:48) I remember going and I was, I remember going in like in 1979 specifically because it was, (56:54) it was during the Iran hostage situation. (56:57) I remember that was on the news that day. (56:59) And I had to go to an Amway meeting and sit in someone’s basement and watch fucking VHS (57:03) tapes for like, it was hours and hours.(57:07) And I’m still traumatized by that. (57:08) And I thank you for listening. (57:10) That that’s amazing that it’s on that day.(57:14) It was, it was like a, it was during the time. (57:17) It wasn’t, you know, well, it’s funny. (57:19) I remember exactly where I was when OJ started driving down the highway or me too.(57:23) Or what I was at. (57:25) I’m sorry. (57:26) Where were you? (57:26) No, no, please.(57:27) I was at a grill. (57:31) I was at girly street grill at the bar in Prescott. (57:35) I was obviously, I had already graduated.(57:36) Yeah. (57:37) What the fuck were you doing there? (57:37) But I was in Prescott for like a couple of days. (57:39) Oh, okay.(57:40) Very interesting. (57:41) I went to tower records in Philadelphia. (57:44) I was looking at laser discs and up on the screen popped up.(57:48) OJ drive or whatever his name, Ernie drive. (57:50) Ernie shivers or whatever driving. (57:51) I don’t know who he’s driving.(57:52) Who’s a friend? (57:53) The guy. (57:54) Yeah. (57:54) Your friend.(57:55) The other guy. (57:55) Earl or Ernie. (57:56) I don’t know.(57:58) Bro, you’re from California. (57:59) You should at least know. (58:00) He went to SC too.(58:01) I don’t know his name, bro. (58:03) Hello. (58:03) We know what’s even funnier.(58:05) When I was driving down the street, Mark was at the tower records. (58:09) I guess. (58:12) I think the girl I was with at the time.(58:15) Woman, please. (58:16) Woman. (58:17) Young lady.(58:17) Yes. (58:18) Young woman. (58:18) Yeah.(58:18) She was not a girl. (58:19) Sorry. (58:21) We were in our, we were in our twenties.(58:23) Calm down. (58:23) Um, she was crying. (58:26) I talked to her on the phone.(58:28) What? (58:28) She was crying because OJ was going to get arrested. (58:32) I’m like, bitch, you don’t know him. (58:34) You’ve never met him.(58:36) Get your shit together. (58:37) Why are you crying? (58:38) You, what are you? (58:39) You don’t even know what a Buffalo bill is. (58:41) You idiot.(58:43) She probably never used a Trojan either. (58:48) Come on, bro. (58:52) She like raw dog.(58:55) Okay. (58:56) Microphones are muted for two seconds. (58:58) Sorry, ladies and gentlemen.(59:03) I like that. (59:05) I love the mute. (59:06) I hope people can’t read lips from the side.(59:08) Well, now I don’t think you, I think you were looking at me. (59:10) So I’m good. (59:11) I think we’re good.(59:12) All right. (59:13) You want the definition, uh, please just self actualization in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs (59:19) is the highest level of psychological development (59:22) where the actualization quote unquote is full of personal potential is achieved. (59:29) Which occurs usually after basic bodily and ego needs have been fulfilled.(59:35) Okay. (59:36) Yeah. (59:37) The Maslow’s hierarchy.(59:38) And they’ve talked about Maslow. (59:39) Yeah. (59:39) Which is on there too.(59:39) You know, food, shelter, clothing, right? (59:41) And then you build up from there. (59:43) Um, question. (59:44) Did you get in a lifestyle thing or did you skip that? (59:45) That’s exactly.(59:46) Oh, that’s next. (59:47) Okay. (59:47) Cause I, cause when we got to 80, I’m like, well, I know, you know, we’re trying to go.(59:51) Okay, cool. (59:53) I’m good. (59:53) I just know we’re going to touch up on it.(59:55) So let’s, let’s finish up these thoughts. (59:57) But I just want to make sure that we’re going to hit that too. (1:00:00) Let me see that one more sentence here.(1:00:02) Self-actualization. (1:00:03) A self-actualization was coined for the motive to realize one’s full potential. (1:00:08) The tendency to actualize itself as fully as possible is the basic drive, (1:00:14) the drive of self-actualization.(1:00:16) Okay. (1:00:17) Yeah. (1:00:17) It’s like using the word and the definition.(1:00:18) I love it. (1:00:19) So it’s the top end of that thing. (1:00:21) All your basic needs are met.(1:00:23) All your emotional needs are met. (1:00:24) And then you ping. (1:00:25) It’s like, uh, you go right to heaven, I guess.(1:00:30) Sure. (1:00:31) Is that right? (1:00:31) So do you think Amway is self-actualization? (1:00:34) It’s a pyramid. (1:00:35) It’s a pyramid shape, sure.(1:00:36) Just like a massive hierarchy is. (1:00:38) Well, I mean, it’s pyramid shaped. (1:00:41) What do they call it? (1:00:42) Multi-level marketing? (1:00:43) Multi-level marketing.(1:00:45) Yeah. (1:00:45) The CBD oil company with which I worked was multi-level. (1:00:48) Okay.(1:00:49) You know, it was the best way to do it direct. (1:00:52) Had to be direct because at the time, (1:00:55) four or five, you know, four or five years ago, (1:00:57) about three to four years ago, (1:00:59) CBD oil was very taboo at the time. (1:01:01) It’s just started really taking off, (1:01:03) you know, last year or so.(1:01:04) Right. (1:01:04) But it was very taboo. (1:01:06) So you had, it’s not like you could advertise it.(1:01:08) If that makes sense. (1:01:08) Yeah. (1:01:09) The, you know, the googs and whatever wouldn’t advertise.(1:01:11) The beer googles? (1:01:12) Stuff like that. (1:01:13) Yes, sir. (1:01:14) They don’t like the advertising of the CBD oils.(1:01:19) All right. (1:01:22) We’re coming out of self-actualization. (1:01:24) Yes.(1:01:26) And we go into what? (1:01:27) Right. (1:01:28) Abraham, Abraham Maslow and the hierarchy of needs, (1:01:31) as I previously mentioned, (1:01:34) at the university of Stanford, (1:01:35) they were hired to tell manufacturers (1:01:39) the segments of consumers. (1:01:44) They released a very specific survey to consumers (1:01:49) consumers and 86% of the consumers responded to the surveys.(1:01:56) On one shot. (1:01:57) Yeah. (1:01:58) They sent it out once.(1:02:00) Astronomical. (1:02:02) I can’t believe 86% responded. (1:02:08) That’s shocking, right? (1:02:10) It’s so shocking.(1:02:12) Have you ever heard the little thing that Rogan says? (1:02:14) No. (1:02:15) On his show, he goes, (1:02:16) have you answered a poll? (1:02:18) The only people who answer polls are people who answer poll. (1:02:21) Like, think about the people who actually answer fucking polls.(1:02:24) When you ask them, like, who’d you vote for? (1:02:26) What do you think about this or that? (1:02:27) The people who are going to step aside and actually waste the rest of their day (1:02:30) to tell you about what they think is like a not. (1:02:34) It’s like a subhuman level. (1:02:36) You know what I mean? (1:02:36) Like, I wouldn’t exactly trust their opinion.(1:02:40) Understood. (1:02:42) So this was also in 1980. (1:02:44) But I’m saying to get 80.(1:02:45) I’m saying to get 86%. (1:02:47) I mean, you were lucky to get 10% response. (1:02:49) Yeah, of course.(1:02:50) I mean, getting a plurality, getting more than 50% of people responding would have been, (1:02:56) I mean, a grand slam. (1:02:58) I don’t even know what 86% response rate is. (1:03:01) A lot.(1:03:02) A shit ton. (1:03:03) I mean, it must tell you either how compelling the questions were (1:03:08) or how interested people were in sharing what they felt, right? (1:03:12) Yes. (1:03:12) Or a little combination of both.(1:03:13) Yes. (1:03:13) I wonder if we could get that survey. (1:03:15) I wonder if that survey is available, what the questionnaire looks like.(1:03:19) The one lady that helped write the survey did say that the questions were very, (1:03:23) she didn’t use the word. (1:03:24) The way I interpreted what she says, they evoked an emotional response. (1:03:30) So they were very probing and how does this make you feel? (1:03:33) How does that sort of thing? (1:03:35) So a survey like that had never been written before.(1:03:38) And she said several people wrote them back and said, (1:03:41) hey, do you have another survey I could take? (1:03:43) Right. (1:03:43) Are you fucking serious? (1:03:44) Yeah. (1:03:45) That’s, that’s crazy.(1:03:46) People don’t do that. (1:03:47) People just do not. (1:03:48) That is not done ever.(1:03:49) That’s like lonely hoarder shit, dude. (1:03:51) People just do not do that ever. (1:03:54) Not, not to my experience, not to my knowledge.(1:03:57) And regardless of the time, you know what I mean? (1:03:59) How many people share 86% and go, hey, give me more of that. (1:04:02) Yeah. (1:04:02) That’s weird, dude.(1:04:03) It was hard. (1:04:04) I just found it compelling. (1:04:05) It must, you think we can get a copy of it? (1:04:07) I would think so.(1:04:08) We’re going to have to, we’re going to Google. (1:04:09) Yeah, we should Google that shit. (1:04:10) University of Stanford.(1:04:11) No problem, dude. (1:04:12) All right. (1:04:12) Thanks.(1:04:12) Hey, University of Stanford, please come out and send us a copy. (1:04:16) Could you get it on a mimeograph? (1:04:18) I would love to. (1:04:18) Maybe they can throw it out in the trash.(1:04:20) You and I can go in like, uh, uh, Bluto and D-Day and get out the psych test. (1:04:25) Yes. (1:04:26) The carbon copy.(1:04:27) Yup. (1:04:27) The carbon copy. (1:04:28) Maybe we get a scantron with our number two pencils.(1:04:30) Oh, scantrons. (1:04:31) Love it. (1:04:33) The point of the, of the survey is, can they define people by the decisions they make? (1:04:40) Not by the demographic of height, weight, color, age, race, blah, blah, blah, blah, (1:04:47) money they make, et cetera.(1:04:49) Can they define consumer demographics by the decisions, decisions that they make? (1:04:56) And they create a new demographics called values and lifestyles. (1:05:00) They said the personalities transcended race and class and money and whatever. (1:05:09) They were, they were drivers of the individual.(1:05:13) And there were what? (1:05:14) Like five of them or so, a handful, three, three, four, something like that. (1:05:17) There was five, I think. (1:05:18) Yeah.(1:05:18) And then another survey, there was 12. (1:05:20) Okay. (1:05:21) And it was so interesting with that.(1:05:24) Yeah. (1:05:24) Basically by answering questions, they can tell you what motivates you with, you know, (1:05:29) and how to, how to manipulate or what. (1:05:31) And once again, they’re putting you into a group.(1:05:34) They’re labeling you in some way. (1:05:35) I find that kind of disturbing. (1:05:36) It’s disturbing, but it’s how masses are, have to be treated.(1:05:44) Once again. (1:05:45) Well, yes, no, I agree with you, but the fact that I could answer 50 questions and (1:05:50) then they could tell me, oh, here’s how we’re going to market to you. (1:05:53) Yeah.(1:05:54) This is how we’re going to manipulate. (1:05:54) I find that disturbing. (1:05:56) Yeah.(1:05:56) Like you, you’re going to know me that well. (1:05:58) You know what they find from us though? (1:06:00) I think we are one of those segments that are like the unpleasables. (1:06:03) Oh, there’s a segment.(1:06:04) I’m sure there’s one that fight just fights everything. (1:06:07) Oh, we’re the fuck off segment. (1:06:08) Yeah.(1:06:08) Like pretty much. (1:06:10) I that’s, I would guess that’s what I am. (1:06:12) Cause I will be honest.(1:06:13) I have only bought one or two things from a commercial I’ve seen. (1:06:17) Like what? (1:06:18) One of them. (1:06:19) I’m going to hold.(1:06:20) This is it. (1:06:20) Get the stick of fury, sir. (1:06:22) Oh, the stick is coming.(1:06:23) This is a good one. (1:06:24) Oh, this is a good, this is such a tangent. (1:06:25) I love it.(1:06:27) Okay. (1:06:27) Oh, one time, sir, sir. (1:06:30) Just hit it once.(1:06:31) Stop. (1:06:33) I like getting it many times. (1:06:36) Yeah, you do.(1:06:37) Watch you. (1:06:38) Meet me. (1:06:39) All right.(1:06:41) Um, this is what happened. (1:06:43) Ladies and gentlemen, I saw a commercial for bacon and the company was right. (1:06:50) Brand bacon, W R I G H T. (1:06:53) Maybe if I read some copy, maybe they’ll pass, but this is going to be a free one.(1:06:57) This is a freebie guys. (1:06:58) The next one’s going to cost you right. (1:07:00) Brand bacon.(1:07:01) They called themselves meat candy. (1:07:03) You already told this story. (1:07:05) I did.(1:07:06) Yeah. (1:07:06) Fuck. (1:07:07) Nevermind.(1:07:08) Storytime’s over. (1:07:10) I bought it and it’s never, I’ve never been the same. (1:07:12) I bought it too, bro.(1:07:14) Isn’t it like you, is it, is it seriously like the best bacon you’ve had? (1:07:17) Uh, it was a pretty close. (1:07:19) It’s pretty fucking good. (1:07:20) It’s pretty consistently good.(1:07:22) You know, we were going to, me and Steve came up, Steve came over to watch the masters. (1:07:25) We were going to wrap our hot dogs in it and put it on the grill. (1:07:29) But then we, as Marcus slides down into his chair.(1:07:35) Oh, that sounds so good. (1:07:37) Yeah. (1:07:37) Cause we had wieners on our mind, dude.(1:07:40) I got a wiener on my mind. (1:07:43) I got an anchor for a wiener. (1:07:45) I got a wiener.(1:07:47) That’s an old one. (1:07:48) People have to, there’s some context here. (1:07:51) There’s some context.(1:07:51) I’ve told that story before. (1:07:52) I know you have. (1:07:53) That’s what I’m saying.(1:07:53) There’s context. (1:07:54) I got wieners on my mind. (1:07:55) Yeah.(1:07:55) Wieners on your mind. (1:07:55) Cause we like hot dogs. (1:07:56) People don’t know the wiener thing from the golf thing.(1:07:59) Everyone likes hot dogs, bro. (1:08:00) Everyone likes hot dogs. (1:08:01) Lips and assholes, ladies and gentlemen.(1:08:03) Delicious. (1:08:04) D-lish. (1:08:07) Yeah.(1:08:08) You and I are not generally influenced by like commercials and whatnot. (1:08:11) As a matter of fact, be like, why are they trying to make this a commercial? (1:08:15) What else have you bought because of a commercial besides right bacon? (1:08:18) I can’t imagine. (1:08:19) I don’t think too many other things.(1:08:21) I’m sure there has been something, but I don’t, I’m not easily influenced. (1:08:25) I think you and I both know that. (1:08:26) Have you ever seen a commercial and said, I will not buy that shit ever? (1:08:32) Yes.(1:08:34) Are we allowed to talk about one of them? (1:08:36) Billy Mays here. (1:08:38) Anything sold by Billy Mays? (1:08:40) OxiClean? (1:08:40) No, I have OxiClean powder. (1:08:42) I put in my laundry.(1:08:45) Yeah. (1:08:45) I’ve heard good. (1:08:46) I’ve heard.(1:08:46) I got that as a recommendation from someone else, not from the commercial. (1:08:51) Open. (1:08:51) Maybe I, maybe I gave it a shot because it had a little extra cred.(1:08:56) But I put that in every laundry. (1:08:58) One scoop, everybody. (1:08:59) ShamWow.(1:09:00) I won’t buy from that Vincent Shlomi guy who punched the hooker in the face. (1:09:03) Yeah. (1:09:04) But can you, we really, these infomercials broke.(1:09:06) Okay. (1:09:06) Okay. (1:09:07) I mean, that’s a really long commercial.(1:09:08) Let’s talk about valid 30 second commercials. (1:09:11) I wouldn’t buy disco V. (1:09:13) What’s that? (1:09:14) It’s a, you know, you know, assigned female birth, bro. (1:09:17) Oh Jesus, dude.(1:09:18) That’s a bad joke. (1:09:20) Um, how about you? (1:09:22) Would you like to share something? (1:09:23) You just went, fuck no. (1:09:26) Uh, the McRib.(1:09:28) Never. (1:09:29) I’ve never even tried one. (1:09:30) I’ve, I’ve had one.(1:09:32) I don’t eat them when they come out. (1:09:33) Like, no, I don’t have set my clock to it. (1:09:36) Uh, pumpkin spice, anything.(1:09:40) Okay. (1:09:40) That’s smart. (1:09:41) Especially in the fall.(1:09:42) It’s topical. (1:09:43) Look at you being topical. (1:09:45) It’s like current events today.(1:09:46) Well, the, the issue is that they start selling them in Arizona in August and it’s 109 goddamn (1:09:53) degrees. (1:09:53) It is. (1:09:54) And it’s hot.(1:09:55) And it’s also hot. (1:09:57) And spicy. (1:09:57) The drink is hot and it’s hot outside.(1:09:59) Yeah. (1:10:00) I don’t need that shit. (1:10:01) We don’t need more heat.(1:10:03) We’re fucked. (1:10:04) Global, the climate change. (1:10:05) We’re fucked, man.(1:10:06) It’s gonna be 130 degrees fucking Tuesday. (1:10:11) Um, November 23rd is 170 degrees. (1:10:14) Oh, we just broke a record.(1:10:16) 136 degrees in November. (1:10:21) Now they label us again. (1:10:22) They put us into these things and these core drivers.(1:10:25) I’m trying to get back on topic. (1:10:26) I don’t know. (1:10:27) Stay on target.(1:10:28) Why? (1:10:28) I don’t know. (1:10:29) We’re having fun with this last thing. (1:10:31) Uh, the commercials.(1:10:34) Um, yeah, you know what it was? (1:10:35) Chevy cars. (1:10:37) I’ve not been impressed by any Chevy commercial. (1:10:39) I actually am disgusted by them.(1:10:41) Is that weird? (1:10:42) No. (1:10:43) I feel like the Chevy mafia is going to come after me now. (1:10:46) Do they have a mafia? (1:10:47) It’s funny because I have a Chevrolet engine in my Oldsmobile, which is a GM.(1:10:50) Well, there you go. (1:10:51) So it’s not like I’m anti Chevy per se, but I mean, it’s also a 1964. (1:10:58) So, you know, that’s how that works.(1:11:01) Yeah. (1:11:03) Could you, uh, label, or could you give me the list of the personality types or the, (1:11:08) I don’t have that. (1:11:09) What are they called? (1:11:09) Lifestyles? (1:11:10) The styles? (1:11:10) I don’t have that.(1:11:11) Okay. (1:11:11) Not the… (1:11:11) There was like an active one. (1:11:13) Yeah.(1:11:13) There was an expert. (1:11:15) Experientials. (1:11:15) And then there’s a guy playing a guitar.(1:11:17) He’s got a, like a leather jacket on. (1:11:18) He’s kind of like a punk rocker guy. (1:11:22) Yeah.(1:11:22) He doesn’t want to, he’s like the one guy that doesn’t want to be pigeonholed. (1:11:25) The independent, right. (1:11:25) It’s kind of, yeah.(1:11:26) It’s kind of like us, but there’s so much, like we’re a hybrid of that. (1:11:30) Cause we recognize that in us. (1:11:32) But I’m a little bit of all of those because that one girl is like, she likes to kayak (1:11:37) and she likes to swim and like, I like that.(1:11:39) I love to hike and you know, and then I’m like the rocker guy, except without the beautiful (1:11:43) hair that he had. (1:11:44) So I, I fit into all those categories. (1:11:47) I put you more into an experiential person because you would do like the active things.(1:11:51) So the hiking and all that. (1:11:52) And those that remember they were saying like they might have simple purchases, but they’re (1:11:58) not cheap. (1:11:59) Right.(1:11:59) Cause like kayaks cost money. (1:12:00) Backpacking equipment costs money. (1:12:02) It’s very niche.(1:12:03) It’s not like they have a lot, but to do the things they want to do well, cost, cost money. (1:12:10) I did see in episode four, they added a sixth category Lego. (1:12:13) So I’m definitely in that category.(1:12:16) Yeah. (1:12:19) Thank you for pluralizing Lego is Lego. (1:12:22) Lego.(1:12:24) Lego, my Lego, my Lego bro. (1:12:26) Yeah. (1:12:27) Yeah.(1:12:27) And these, these categories are very interesting and they’re pretty specific. (1:12:31) Remember when I told you about the blue shirt with the tag, you know, with the diversity, (1:12:36) the diverse people and they, they labeled all customers in the five different strategies. (1:12:42) Yes.(1:12:42) Yes. (1:12:43) Worst sale. (1:12:45) Yes.(1:12:46) That’s correct. (1:12:47) Um, they’re like, Hey, everybody’s so unique and individual, but here’s the five types. (1:12:52) This is at a place where you used to work and they were very, they embraced diversity, (1:12:57) but they put all consumers into five categories.(1:13:00) So you thought that was very Alanis Morissette of them. (1:13:03) I did. (1:13:03) I felt like Atlanta should have just appeared from the heavens and just like in dogma.(1:13:10) No touching. (1:13:11) Sorry. (1:13:12) No touching.(1:13:12) She should have booped somebody. (1:13:13) I booped. (1:13:14) I booped Christopher.(1:13:15) Just so you guys know on the, on the non-video version, I just, on the nose, on the nose, (1:13:20) on the nose, not in the nose, on it, on the tip. (1:13:23) Just the tip, just the tip, sir. (1:13:25) Whoa.(1:13:26) Next. (1:13:26) What do we got? (1:13:27) Uh, what are the next, uh, the next styles, right? (1:13:30) They call them lifestyles and values and lifestyles demographic. (1:13:33) They call them vowels, right? (1:13:35) Sure.(1:13:35) I don’t know. (1:13:35) Was a short, short term. (1:13:37) Sure.(1:13:38) Uh, perhaps. (1:13:41) Okay. (1:13:41) We’re good.(1:13:43) What happened next? (1:13:44) 1980. (1:13:46) The presidential election. (1:13:51) The new individualist was the term used, uh, where president Reagan, when he was the candidate (1:14:01) running, he wanted to remove government from people’s lives.(1:14:06) And Thatcher also ran with a similar platform in the UK. (1:14:11) And they thought that there’s no way that the people in the middle and people on, um, the (1:14:19) left or right. (1:14:20) Yeah.(1:14:20) Would, would they, would they, they’re not going to vote for a conservative Republican (1:14:25) with this kind of message? (1:14:27) They’d be chaos. (1:14:28) They said moderate Republican. (1:14:29) They specifically spoke about moderate Republicans saying that’s like suicide.(1:14:34) Yeah. (1:14:35) Because, and they say, they stated there’s no clear demographic. (1:14:37) And you saw Reagan say the same speech like multiple times.(1:14:40) Yes. (1:14:41) Get off government, get off our backs. (1:14:44) I tear down this wall.(1:14:47) I can finally do my Ronald Reagan impression. (1:14:49) Do the wall part. (1:14:51) Well, Nancy and I, you need the government to get off our backs and get back to work (1:14:59) the way America knows how.(1:15:02) That’s a pretty decent. (1:15:03) It’s not terrible. (1:15:04) I’ll give you a B minus.(1:15:05) Not all right. (1:15:07) I like to see Frank Kellyanne to do a better Reagan. (1:15:10) I don’t want to see that at all.(1:15:12) I did see him live though. (1:15:14) He’s funny. (1:15:15) He’s entertaining.(1:15:16) His John Madness phenomenon. (1:15:17) It’s the best. (1:15:19) The best, we got it down here.(1:15:22) And I came and do it. (1:15:23) That was, what the fuck? (1:15:24) Was that a seal? (1:15:24) Yeah. (1:15:25) Cause that’s what John Madden sounds like to me.(1:15:26) Oh, he’s. (1:15:30) That was a seal ladies and gentlemen. (1:15:32) I should record that.(1:15:33) Yeah. (1:15:33) We should do our own, like we should do story time. (1:15:36) We should go, you and I just go.(1:15:38) And then that’s actually our story time harp. (1:15:41) We’ll vocalize all these. (1:15:43) We’ll make these acapella.(1:15:46) What do you think? (1:15:48) You talked me into it. (1:15:49) We should try. (1:15:50) Okay.(1:15:51) That’d be fun. (1:15:52) We’d have our own, uh, sound people, people would steal it. (1:15:55) Then we’d be like copyright bitches slap on a lawsuit.(1:15:59) What’s next? (1:16:00) So Reagan told what, what did you write down the phrase? (1:16:04) I didn’t write it down, but. (1:16:07) The one they said about getting back to work or get a government off our backs. (1:16:10) Right.(1:16:12) What I wrote down was government removal from people’s lives. (1:16:14) But yes, twice. (1:16:16) He said in two different speeches, get government off people’s back (1:16:20) and put you back to work doing what you do best.(1:16:24) Yes. (1:16:24) That’s what it was. (1:16:25) Thank you.(1:16:26) Thank you for helping. (1:16:27) And people just ate that shit erupted, erupted in applause. (1:16:32) They love that crap because the idea of removing government from people’s lives (1:16:36) was unheard of and amazing.(1:16:40) Like, yeah, get out of my face. (1:16:42) Yeah, absolutely. (1:16:45) Yeah.(1:16:45) But remember the, the country was actually founded on those principles (1:16:49) that he tried to bring back or that he brought back. (1:16:53) Cause it was about non-interference back in the day. (1:16:56) Yes.(1:16:56) Governments are growing and growing and growing military this way, that way, socially. (1:17:03) Yes. (1:17:03) Whatever, you know, you know, the government got bigger and bigger and bigger (1:17:07) and it kept getting in the way.(1:17:08) Right. (1:17:09) And he’s like, we’re under the biggest inflation of all time. (1:17:13) And government is the problem.(1:17:15) Yes. (1:17:15) Government is not the solution. (1:17:17) Inauguration speech.(1:17:18) Government is not the solution. (1:17:19) Government is the problem. (1:17:21) And previously government had always come to the rescue with economic incentive packages (1:17:26) and stuff or interfered with, right? (1:17:28) Like in a way to try to help with the inflation issue.(1:17:31) Cause if you think about Carter, they, they interfered. (1:17:34) They didn’t help. (1:17:34) They tried to help, but they failed miserable or whatever the cycle that it was probably (1:17:40) economic, right? (1:17:40) Cause you’ve got contritee cycle issues, right? (1:17:42) With economically that every 60 years, it kind of does its thing.(1:17:45) Yeah. (1:17:46) They might be accelerated now with the, the way the world’s digital and just faster, but (1:17:50) they go through fires or faster highs and lows now. (1:17:53) Yeah.(1:17:55) Very interesting. (1:17:56) And what it was, was what it was the individual term. (1:17:59) Do you remember that? (1:18:01) What do you call it? (1:18:02) New individualist? (1:18:02) Yeah.(1:18:02) The new individualist. (1:18:03) They said they were the ones who swung the election. (1:18:06) Yeah.(1:18:06) For both Thatcher and for Reagan. (1:18:08) Because it was, it was, and it, and it was across member race, color, creed, economic (1:18:14) status, anything. (1:18:16) It was a type of personality.(1:18:17) Correct. (1:18:18) That bought that, that could buy into that. (1:18:21) And once again, it was, there was no clear demographic.(1:18:23) Right. (1:18:23) Which that’s, I think that’s amazing that, you know, I mean, from an objective perspective, (1:18:32) that’s really. (1:18:34) Objective perspective.(1:18:35) Well, because my parents were so liberal and they voted, they didn’t care. (1:18:38) They voted for goddamn Mondale for Christ’s sake. (1:18:42) And Dukakis with the eyebrows.(1:18:44) And you know what I mean? (1:18:45) So they, they were. (1:18:46) I’m losing to this guy. (1:18:47) Yeah, they, they, my parents were blinded by blue.(1:18:50) Right. (1:18:50) Right. (1:18:50) And they never thought, Hey, let’s listen to what the other side has to say.(1:18:54) Where I try to listen to everything from both sides. (1:18:56) Right. (1:18:57) So to, to watch this documentary and see how his campaign did this and Thatcher’s campaign (1:19:05) as well.(1:19:06) Yeah. (1:19:07) It’s, it’s very interesting how they marketed themselves. (1:19:11) That’s my word.(1:19:12) To. (1:19:12) They did. (1:19:13) They did.(1:19:13) They marketed to a personality type, not to a dem. (1:19:16) It’s a, it was a new demographic and that’s crazy. (1:19:19) And I was very impressed by that.(1:19:21) I also think that in addition to that, I, I mean, this is the issue with some documentaries (1:19:30) and that it’s like agenda driven, but basically they’re telling us that Freud is evil, right? (1:19:34) Or how, how they, they’re manipulating us. (1:19:36) Well, that’s the final conclusion. (1:19:38) So they’re already, it’s going to be a little more negative, right? (1:19:40) Like towards the manipulation side.(1:19:43) I see what you’re saying. (1:19:44) In this case, I’m just saying. (1:19:46) I didn’t take it that way, but go ahead.(1:19:48) Right. (1:19:48) I was just speaking about in this case, remember there were other factors. (1:19:53) Inflation under Carter was shit.(1:19:55) Like government was in the way, like just going with a different, going in a different (1:20:01) direction, zagging when they think we’re supposed to zig. (1:20:03) Right. (1:20:05) Maybe is also what was so attractive.(1:20:07) It wasn’t just that personality type. (1:20:10) Of course. (1:20:10) You know what I mean? (1:20:11) It may have been other factors to that.(1:20:13) So like as important as this was, which it totally was, maybe it was just the timing, (1:20:19) right? (1:20:19) The feel, right. (1:20:20) The timing, the feel, right. (1:20:21) Just like we just had a recent election that timing to change was there.(1:20:25) Yeah. (1:20:26) Right. (1:20:26) Just how it works.(1:20:27) So it’s, it is really interesting, but they did feed on the, or they, they profited off (1:20:35) of these people’s votes. (1:20:36) I mean, I don’t know another way to say it. (1:20:38) Is it profit? (1:20:39) Like, it’s weird, right? (1:20:40) Like almost like a business.(1:20:41) They treated like a business money off the elect off of the presidency. (1:20:45) Of course. (1:20:46) And the thing is, we, we are humans, right? (1:20:49) But we’re just human currency, right? (1:20:50) What’s the human capital.(1:20:52) Do you remember? (1:20:52) Oh, fucking Ravana. (1:20:54) God. (1:20:55) Yes.(1:20:55) When HR, when human resources, human capital. (1:20:58) Yeah. (1:20:59) And I changed it to human cattle.(1:21:01) Yeah. (1:21:02) Mother fuckers. (1:21:03) Human fucking capital.(1:21:05) That’s such an, that’s such a embarrassing term. (1:21:09) Yeah. (1:21:09) I, I was, I was so fucking, you want to talk about being offended by a term? (1:21:15) Hang on, hang on, hang on.(1:21:17) Okay. (1:21:17) Let’s take a breath. (1:21:18) Okay.(1:21:19) A job that we used to work at. (1:21:23) The human resources department, HR, they changed their name to human capital. (1:21:33) Back to you, check Mark.(1:21:35) So they, we were, we were bodily money. (1:21:41) We were as bodily money. (1:21:43) We were assets.(1:21:44) Well, yeah, we always were. (1:21:45) Right. (1:21:45) But fuck, they made it.(1:21:47) It was blatantly obvious what we were after being, I mean, it’s funny to be. (1:21:51) They had the gall to just call us that. (1:21:55) Hi.(1:21:57) Yeah. (1:21:57) You’re our property. (1:21:58) You’re an asset to us.(1:22:01) Next. (1:22:02) Yeah. (1:22:02) Why would they, why did they just leave it? (1:22:03) Yeah.(1:22:04) Everybody knows HR. (1:22:05) Right. (1:22:05) Calm the fuck down.(1:22:06) They have to go with some fucking redondo proactive word. (1:22:11) Fucking, they got to play business bingo or something. (1:22:14) Fucking douchebags.(1:22:17) I hope we never have to get rehired there. (1:22:19) Rev nada. (1:22:20) Thank you.(1:22:21) What are they? (1:22:21) Okay. (1:22:21) They’re not, that’s, that’s not their name anymore. (1:22:24) No, they changed their fucking name.(1:22:25) I can speak in hyperbole. (1:22:30) Bro. (1:22:32) There’s a, this is a podcast.(1:22:41) So we’re kind of at the end of this one. (1:22:44) One more. (1:22:45) We love this.(1:22:46) We need a one more. (1:22:48) You, I don’t know. (1:22:49) You want me just to record me saying (1:22:52) Yeah, actually, that sounds, we’re going to have to do some, some real work here.(1:22:55) We’re starting to get back on video. (1:22:58) We’re doing some stuff, man. (1:22:59) Yeah.(1:23:00) Getting through some stuff. (1:23:01) I’m excited. (1:23:01) I’m excited about this.(1:23:02) You can just not contain yourself. (1:23:04) Look at me. (1:23:04) My nipples are hard.(1:23:05) You can’t see it. (1:23:06) The password is hard nipple. (1:23:09) Uh, the last I have is the industry of market research.(1:23:15) Quote unquote focus groups and how they are used for self-expression. (1:23:24) What about that? (1:23:25) That’s all I got. (1:23:26) All right.(1:23:26) What do you got? (1:23:27) Um, I would just like to say that coming out of this, the next one is how the left, (1:23:33) we talk about the right with Thatcher and Reagan. (1:23:36) And we talk about the left and Clinton and how they used it the same way. (1:23:40) That’s the next one, right? (1:23:40) Right.(1:23:41) And that’s where I think the, I think the political shift, just speaking philosophically. (1:23:47) Sure. (1:23:48) Republicans used to be tied to business, right? (1:23:51) I remember, you know, taxes, low taxes for the rich and all this stuff.(1:23:55) It seems like Clinton is where it’s. (1:23:58) The script started to flip and the Democrats became beholden to those lobbyists and businesses (1:24:03) that we talk about. (1:24:04) This is why I’m, I’m center, right? (1:24:06) I think part of, part of it, why I’m center, right? (1:24:08) Is I’m my concern for whose pocket they’re in.(1:24:12) If that makes sense. (1:24:13) Sure. (1:24:13) Not that you also know that I think that all politicians are in somebody’s pocket.(1:24:17) So in this specific case, it was, it’s always, they were at least, at least honest. (1:24:25) Left people back in the day were, you know, anti big business, right? (1:24:30) It now they’re in bed with them. (1:24:32) Yeah.(1:24:33) That’s what it seems like outside of that. (1:24:35) That’s just a philosophical thought. (1:24:37) Everybody’s in bed with everybody.(1:24:38) Yeah. (1:24:39) It’s a goddamn orgy. (1:24:40) We know.(1:24:42) And we got this, we got wiener texts and wieners. (1:24:46) We got this motherfucker with his foot under a bathroom stall. (1:24:49) What the fuck’s going on? (1:24:50) Murica.(1:24:51) Have you seen Eyes Wide Shut? (1:24:52) I have not seen it yet. (1:24:53) Don’t watch it. (1:24:54) I know it’s terrible.(1:24:55) It’s funny. (1:24:56) Don’t do it. (1:24:56) It’s funny because like, you know, I tell you to watch, you tell me not to watch any movie.(1:25:03) Did you ever watch Lawnmower Man with me? (1:25:06) So, uh, I guess we’ll wrap it up. (1:25:11) That’s all I have, sir. (1:25:12) Do you have anything else on Century of the Self? (1:25:15) No.(1:25:15) Volume three. (1:25:16) Part three. (1:25:16) Part four is going to go into the other thing we just mentioned.(1:25:19) And I think that’s about it. (1:25:21) Do we have anything else? (1:25:22) Don’t you have housecleaping items? (1:25:24) Or are you too exhausted emotionally and mentally to talk about those? (1:25:27) I don’t know. (1:25:28) It’s, I sound like a whiny bitch sometimes.(1:25:30) Well, then don’t sound like a whiny bitch. (1:25:31) If you’ve already talked about it, let’s not talk about it again. (1:25:34) I’ve not talked about this.(1:25:36) It happened today. (1:25:38) Someone tweeted podcast recommendations, question mark. (1:25:41) And you know what? (1:25:42) The podcast community on Twitter is amazing.(1:25:44) Like everyone seems to be very uplifting regardless of the content they have. (1:25:49) We all give it a try. (1:25:50) We all be encouraged.(1:25:51) We’re all encouraging of just being creative, right? (1:25:53) Because that’s what it’s about is expressing yourself. (1:25:56) Hey, look at that. (1:25:57) Self-expression.(1:25:58) Full circle, bro. (1:25:59) Get the fuck out of here. (1:26:00) You like that? (1:26:00) Ding, boop.(1:26:03) Anyway, um, literally podcast recommendations, question mark. (1:26:08) To which I replied our, I have like kind of a copy paste thing. (1:26:12) It’s like, Hey, please give us a try.(1:26:14) We have this, that, and the other, you know, let me know what you’re interested in. (1:26:18) And the response was, sir, please get the hell out of my mentions. (1:26:25) And I went, uh, huh? (1:26:28) Like you, you just like ask the most generic thing and it makes you laugh.(1:26:33) Right. (1:26:34) Cause you’re like, is this guy like trying to start something? (1:26:38) Like, I don’t understand what the goal is. (1:26:40) Did you respond? (1:26:41) I did.(1:26:41) I wrote, sir. (1:26:43) I believe that I believe that you made a request to which I responded. (1:26:50) I also think that Twitter has a block feature, but I’m not that familiar with the system.(1:26:56) Okay. (1:26:57) And that’s it. (1:26:58) I mean, I wasn’t going to get, and then I, I muted the person, but I don’t do blocks.(1:27:02) Cause like, I’m the, I muted them. (1:27:03) They’re not going to show up again. (1:27:04) Okay.(1:27:05) But it was just weird. (1:27:07) Like weird. (1:27:08) It feels like a tacky.(1:27:10) It does. (1:27:11) I had not heard this. (1:27:13) It’s antagonistic.(1:27:14) It’s totally antagonistic. (1:27:15) Right. (1:27:16) So and blocky.(1:27:17) Oh, sorry. (1:27:17) A tacky. (1:27:18) It almost, it feels like, you know, like being baited.(1:27:21) Like just putting that out there. (1:27:23) It’s like, oh, something’s going to bite. (1:27:24) Someone’s going to bite.(1:27:25) And then troll is like a tall. (1:27:29) Yeah, sir. (1:27:30) Please get the hell out of my mentions.(1:27:31) That’s weird. (1:27:32) Yeah, exactly. (1:27:33) Exactly.(1:27:34) And what I think is happened really well for you and I is well, (1:27:40) you and I specifically is that social dilemma thing. (1:27:42) We are being, we are being very careful about what we’re posting and we are not (1:27:47) engaging in any kind of toxicity. (1:27:50) We refuse to do that.(1:27:51) We are all about uplifting other people and being creative and saying thank you and being (1:27:56) grateful and gracious. (1:27:59) That’s the kind of people we are. (1:28:00) Right.(1:28:01) But I, I, I want to be clear that that’s what we want. (1:28:04) We’re not on Twitter to, to, we’re going to have controversial things, but we’re not on (1:28:08) there to stir the pot for the pot’s sake or for the stirrer’s sake. (1:28:14) Right.(1:28:15) You know what I just found out here to close it up, if I may. (1:28:18) Sure. (1:28:21) My work just doubled.(1:28:24) What? (1:28:26) Twitter has a certain type of clientele. (1:28:30) And after this election, there’s a new company out there called Parler. (1:28:36) Have you heard of Parler? (1:28:37) I have.(1:28:37) P-A-R-L-E-R. (1:28:38) I have. (1:28:38) It seems that a certain other type of clientele has jumped ship.(1:28:44) Yeah. (1:28:45) And gone there. (1:28:45) So now.(1:28:46) Well, do they jump from Facebook or do they jump from Twitter? (1:28:49) Well, Facebook, everyone posts regardless. (1:28:52) Like, cause they, they have the friends and all that. (1:28:55) They’re pretty connected on Facebook.(1:28:56) Facebook’s actually a very scary way. (1:28:58) Did you hear about what happened with the, remember the kidnapping? (1:29:02) Which, no, no. (1:29:03) Okay.(1:29:04) Boy, this is really, may I close this loop? (1:29:07) And then we can talk about something else. (1:29:09) You know what? (1:29:10) We’re going to do, we’re going to do a section 230. (1:29:13) We’ll talk about that.(1:29:15) But Parler now has opened and a group of people have kind of jumped ship to Parler. (1:29:20) So now I have to post in two fucking places. (1:29:23) And I’ve noticed, like, I’ve been only using Twitter and Facebook, (1:29:27) and I’ve noticed a significant dip in listenership the last week.(1:29:33) And I thought it was, it started upticking and then it crashed again. (1:29:36) But I thought after the, it got settled, the thing with early November got settled, (1:29:41) it picked back up. (1:29:43) It, today was, today was a good day, but the last three, four days have been (1:29:46) pretty like interestingly low.(1:29:48) And it’s not that we’re awesome. (1:29:50) I mean, we’re grateful for everyone who listened. (1:29:52) Yeah, of course.(1:29:53) But, you know, we started getting some momentum, right? (1:29:56) And you start seeing the numbers. (1:29:57) So it’s interesting. (1:29:58) So now I have to, have to do double the work.(1:30:02) That’s dumb. (1:30:03) Yeah. (1:30:03) So copy and paste everybody.(1:30:05) That’s a good feature. (1:30:06) Well, now I have to go on Twitter and Parler, right? (1:30:09) I mean, it’s just basically how it’s going to be. (1:30:10) I’m totally cool with that.(1:30:11) I just don’t, you know, this is, we do a full-time job, sir. (1:30:14) What? (1:30:15) We work really hard. (1:30:16) I’d love to make this our full-time job.(1:30:18) I love you. (1:30:19) Our, to Tambien, and our executive senior super producer is on it. (1:30:24) Awesome.(1:30:25) She’s doing our website. (1:30:26) What? (1:30:27) She’s taking a class in website design. (1:30:28) No way.(1:30:29) Oh my God. (1:30:30) We, I, she has, she has them, they’re hers. (1:30:33) Also Tambien, her merch is her, she’s doing merch site research.(1:30:37) Oh my God. (1:30:38) I love her. (1:30:38) I love you.(1:30:39) Love you too. (1:30:40) Thank you. (1:30:40) You’re welcome.(1:30:41) Everyone out there who’s, who’s given us a listen, just giving us a try. (1:30:44) We’re not everyone’s cup of tea. (1:30:46) We know that, but we are so grateful.(1:30:49) And I just want to thank everyone for listening to us. (1:30:52) I mean, we, like I said, we, we want to have some kind of meaningful talks and bullshit too. (1:30:58) Like we’re kind of, like I said, we’re two sides of the coin, right? (1:31:02) The dichotomy of us.(1:31:04) Whoa. (1:31:04) Would you like to close it out, sir? (1:31:06) Be excellent to each other and party on dudes.