A conversation about all aspects of consciousness upload/download

Chris and Mark discuss multiple aspects of consciousness upload/download. Is it possible? Which method might have the best chance of success? What would this ability mean for humanity?
Music (intro and outro): “Cantina Blues” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

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(0:07) Problems. (0:15) Hi everybody! (0:16) Hello. (0:18) Welcome to Knocked Conscious, everybody.(0:20) Once again. (0:21) Episode 58.3-4 of the Articles of Confederation. (0:27) Whatever it takes.(0:28) Sir? (0:28) Welcome once again. (0:30) We’re coming out, we’re, hi. (0:32) Hola.(0:32) We’re backing out of, we’re like, beep, beep. (0:36) We’re backing out of AI. (0:37) We’ve now officially gotten out of AI.(0:40) Instead of us putting ourselves into AI with programming. (0:45) What if we just, what if we just took all these things that were in here and went, (0:49) and just went, pew, and just like uploaded it. (0:53) Whoa.(0:53) So we’re gonna talk about consciousness upload, ladies and gentlemen. (0:57) Yes, sir. (0:57) Notifications and everything.(0:58) What made us think about this, you brought this one to me. (1:02) Or brought this one to us? (1:03) Whatever it takes. (1:04) Yeah.(1:04) It was probably that stupid show I watched. (1:07) Which one? (1:07) Because you watch a lot of stupid shows, bro. (1:09) I do.(1:10) I do too. (1:12) I watch too much TV, man. (1:13) I gotta turn that shit off.(1:15) I think I know what show you’re talking about. (1:17) It was probably Upload on Amazon Prime. (1:21) Alexa, play Upload on Amazon Prime.(1:25) I’m listening. (1:25) Okay. (1:26) Checkmark.(1:28) Checkmark? (1:29) Checkmark, no say. (1:31) She’s like, what the fuck you talk about, Alexa? (1:34) I mean, hello, I don’t understand. (1:37) I’m like, Alexa.(1:38) It’s like, nothing. (1:40) You should see if she will speak Russian to you. (1:44) I’m good.(1:45) No? (1:45) I don’t even know Russian. (1:47) Checkmark does. (1:48) Checkmark fakes it until he makes it, my friend.(1:52) We’re just gonna keep faking it until we make it. (1:54) I’m gonna do this because I gotta see a little more Billy. (1:57) Okay.(1:57) Oh, Billy. (2:00) Oh, Billy. (2:03) Okay, so Conscious Upload.(2:05) So we watch a show on Amazon. (2:06) Tell us about it. (2:07) What’s it about? (2:08) It was a good show, and it takes place in an alternate reality where once you die, your (2:15) consciousness is uploaded to a virtual reality in afterlife, and it lasts forever, and you, (2:27) the body you die in is the body you die in forever.(2:34) So if you die at 30, that’s the body you’re uploaded in. (2:38) 10 episodes, and then there’s, it’s a cast system. (2:41) So depending on how much money you have is the afterlife you get to go to.(2:48) So people are always talking about it. (2:50) Oh, you get to go to Lakeview? (2:52) That’s so great. (2:53) And then there’s a whole company that sells afterlifes, and you have a customer service (3:00) afterlife person, and everything costs money.(3:03) So there’s a mini bar in your afterlife suite, and there’s Doritos and Funyuns and fucking (3:08) Diet Cokes and shit, and they all cost money. (3:11) There are Funyuns in the afterlife? (3:13) I don’t know. (3:13) Because I am all about that.(3:16) So apparently Checkmark has already signed up. (3:18) I want Funyuns, please. (3:20) I’m looking for Funyuns in my afterlife uploads, please.(3:24) Sorry. (3:26) Our last show was so serious, we got to have a little more fun with it. (3:29) Yeah.(3:30) So it was a good show. (3:33) There was a guy. (3:34) Agreed.(3:34) Yeah. (3:36) The point is, the idea. (3:39) The idea of the upload.(3:39) And then there was another show on Netflix, Altered Carbon. (3:42) Very different show. (3:44) Dark.(3:44) And totally different how the upload happens. (3:48) I mean, there’s different ways. (3:49) Correct.(3:49) But it’s the same concept where you die, and your consciousness can be taken, and they (3:55) put it on a little disc, and you’re stuck into different people. (3:59) Different human hosts. (4:00) In the back of the neck.(4:02) Yeah. (4:03) And also, Cast System, because the money you have is the sleeve. (4:09) There you go.(4:09) They call it the sleeve. (4:11) Yes, yes. (4:11) Of the, which is the body in which your upload, you know, that disc goes in.(4:16) Fits, or whatever. (4:17) So it’s the same concept, the same idea of an afterlife after you’re, the human body (4:25) you’re born into dies. (4:28) So the idea that your afterlife is different.(4:33) That’s the idea of upload, of hey, if this is a real possibility, would Checkmark consider (4:45) that? (4:45) Would it? (4:46) Checkmark like all ideas. (4:49) Hey, that sounds like the worst idea in the world. (4:53) What time you want me there? (4:54) That’s what I say.(4:56) Which Avenger would you like me to be? (4:58) That’s the worst idea ever. (4:59) What time shall I be there? (5:01) I will bring Funyuns. (5:02) Oh, I’m going to reek of Funyuns by the time Checkmark gets there.(5:05) Have you tried the new, have you tried the spicy Funyuns? (5:08) The Flamin’ Hot Funyuns? (5:08) Yeah, they’re pretty good. (5:09) I was shocked at how much I like those. (5:11) Yeah, and there’s like another one that’s like a garlic-y, I don’t want to overstep (5:17) my Funyuns.(5:17) On the next episode of Beer Googles, Funyuns. (5:20) Funyuns, everyone. (5:21) We’re going to Beer Googles the Funyuns.(5:22) All Funyuns, all the time. (5:23) The Googs. (5:25) Um, so I’m.(5:27) Sideways. (5:31) I’m, real quick. (5:33) Yes.(5:33) I’m just getting that one out of the way. (5:35) Oh, Twitter world, real quick. (5:36) Hello, Twitter world, real quick.(5:39) I see them as such different concepts of uploads. (5:43) Oh, that’s. (5:44) Because one, they’re not the same in the way that one is, to your point, it’s almost (5:50) like it kind of combines the artificial intelligence, because it gets, your consciousness gets uploaded (5:55) on this hard drive of some sort, it’s a processor.(5:57) Yeah. (5:58) And that processor goes into another physical body. (6:00) Yes.(6:01) That lives a physical human experience with touch, sense. (6:04) Yes. (6:05) Like a human, extended.(6:07) Yes. (6:07) So it’s really extended life. (6:09) Yes.(6:10) In a weird way. (6:10) Yes. (6:12) Whereas upload is all sensory, but it’s all electronic.(6:16) You are digitally not. (6:18) Right, you are not in the physical world. (6:20) I just wanted.(6:21) Yes. (6:21) For people who haven’t seen it yet. (6:22) Of course.(6:23) Just so we know that there’s a distinction between those two things, because they’re (6:27) great. (6:27) Because I, in my opinion, we’ll talk about the other stuff, but go ahead. (6:30) The idea, the original objective concept is the same of.(6:36) Continuing, extending life by uploading some kind of consciousness digitally. (6:39) There’s a digital technological component to the extension of one’s life. (6:44) Is your correct? (6:44) Is that after your physical body is gone, your consciousness lives on in some way? (6:51) Yes.(6:52) Is that possible? (6:54) Will that be possible? (6:56) When? (6:57) How? (6:59) That’s a crazy idea. (7:02) It’s crazy. (7:03) Are there people working on that shit now? (7:07) Yes.(7:10) How? (7:10) And I have no idea how. (7:11) Right. (7:11) But if I’m asking that question.(7:15) And I’m a lonely dude wearing a South Park shirt. (7:19) Timmy and the Lords of the Underworld. (7:21) Timmy.(7:21) Timmy. (7:22) Timmy. (7:22) Timmy.(7:23) Timmy. (7:23) Timmy. (7:23) Timmy.(7:24) Timmy. (7:24) Timmy. (7:24) Timmy.(7:25) Timmy. (7:25) Timmy. (7:26) Timmy.(7:27) Timmy. (7:28) Timmy. (7:29) Timmy.(7:42) Timmy. (7:43) How does that capture the human consciousness? (7:46) Right. (7:47) Well, it’s the other side of AI.(7:49) It’s instead of creating ground-up intelligence from a digital code starting at nothing, right, (8:00) to digitally encode what a feeling or an emotion is or what a reaction is or what a thought (8:06) is, like doing it that way, versus we have that already here and getting it to a digital (8:13) mode, like digitizing it like a photocopy or a literal upload, right, into a hard drive. (8:21) They’re two very different concepts in that way, right? (8:25) They’re kind of opposite. (8:27) Yes.(8:28) One’s artificially creating something that mimics or is more advanced than our thought (8:35) process and feelings, or is us. (8:38) And one is us trying to extend us digitally, though. (8:45) It’s like backwards, like a 180 from the other.(8:49) So, anyway. (8:53) Yes. (8:55) Yes, Alex.(8:56) That is my final answer to your diatribe. (9:00) Oh, sorry. (9:01) No, you’re good, dude.(9:03) So, with that, what intrigued you about just talking about this subject? (9:07) Because there’s a lot of ways we can go about it. (9:09) I find it fascinating that given where the human race is now… (9:19) I keep hitting my head on the… (9:21) What? (9:22) Boom mic. (9:23) Ow.(9:24) See, don’t do that. (9:25) You have cushions, bro. (9:27) You’re good.(9:27) I know. (9:27) I’m saying just don’t turn your head. (9:28) You have more cushion for the pushing on your dome, dude.(9:32) Yeah, I do. (9:33) He’s a sexy motherfucker. (9:35) Hello, lady world.(9:36) Hello. (9:38) Never mind. (9:41) OJ just got sidetracked right quick.(9:44) I wasn’t sure what to kill and fuck. (9:46) I wasn’t sure which way to go. (9:49) Should we play that one time? (9:50) What’s it called? (9:51) Marry, fuck, kill? (9:52) Should we do that one? (9:53) Oh, yeah.(9:54) Fuck, marry, kill? (9:55) Fuck, marry, kill? (9:56) Kiss, marry, kill? (9:57) Kiss, marry, kill? (9:58) Whatever one is. (9:59) No. (10:01) That’s the answer to that one.(10:02) I don’t need any intelligence, artificial or uploaded to tell you no to that question. (10:08) So, it’s fascinating to me that the technology to do that may not be that far off in the (10:18) near future. (10:19) And the ability to have server farms just as far as the eye can see.(10:30) Like, you drive from Phoenix to Las Vegas, there’s just desolation. (10:37) And there’s these freaking, those solar farms, right? (10:42) You could just have server farms. (10:44) You could just have buildings of data centers with nothing but server farms holding consciousness (10:52) of people that are dead.(10:54) That are just living in virtual worlds. (10:56) And you spoke to Westworld in the previous podcast. (11:01) I did.(11:02) And that’s kind of like how season two ended, where the fucking… (11:08) Spoiler. (11:08) Oh, fuck. (11:09) It’s okay, bro.(11:10) Just do it. (11:10) I mean, season minus 17. (11:12) No, it’s okay.(11:13) 44 years ago. (11:14) I should have watched it by now. (11:15) I apologize.(11:16) I haven’t seen all of it. (11:18) I get stuck in season one loop. (11:21) It’s hard to explain.(11:24) It’s not bad. (11:25) Dude, season three is… (11:26) I know. (11:27) It looks amazing.(11:28) It looks absolutely amazing. (11:30) I’m not gonna lie. (11:31) Anyway.(11:34) May I use… (11:35) Oh, fuck. (11:36) Yeah, dude. (11:37) I can’t believe I fucking blew the fucking show for you, dude.(11:41) No, you didn’t. (11:41) I didn’t hear a thing. (11:42) I don’t even know what you said.(11:43) You didn’t mean it. (11:43) I have to tell you something, dude. (11:44) I love you.(11:46) You love me? (11:46) You love me? (11:47) Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker’s son. (11:49) Oh, fuck. (11:51) And Bruce Willis is dead.(11:53) What? (11:54) I heard. (11:55) Not like real. (11:56) Like now.(11:56) Like in real world. (11:58) What were we talking about? (12:02) Isn’t Don Henley dead to you or something? (12:04) To use a Samuel Jackson phrase in a movie that I took on the island with me. (12:12) My girlfriend doesn’t like watching too much stuff about Westworld.(12:16) So that pretty much makes me a guy that doesn’t watch too much stuff about Westworld. (12:19) Okay. (12:20) I want to bring her into that.(12:22) Why don’t you just come to my house and we’ll fucking binge a season, bro? (12:25) I could totally watch it, but I fuel FOMO for her. (12:29) FOMO? (12:29) That I shouldn’t probably. (12:30) Yeah, it’s her FOMO that I’m self- (12:34) What the fuck is FOMO? (12:35) Fear of missing out, bro.(12:36) Oh. (12:37) I don’t know what that means, bro. (12:39) It just means like fear of missing out.(12:41) So like I don’t want to watch it and have her not watch it with me because then she’s not in it or not on the same page with it. (12:50) It’s probably stupid because we have very, very different interests. (12:54) Just fucking watch it.(12:55) I’m going to watch it. (12:57) I have to watch it all the way from the beginning again. (12:59) Then do it.(13:00) That’s the thing. (13:00) I keep watching the first like three, four episodes and I get bored with the first three episodes. (13:04) Then watch number four.(13:05) Okay. (13:07) Anyway. (13:09) For fuck’s sake.(13:10) Westworld feels like more AI than upload consciousness, but- (13:13) Anyway, they upload a bunch of consciousness. (13:16) Whoa. (13:16) At the end of season fucking two.(13:18) Damn it. (13:19) Into a server farm. (13:20) That’s the point.(13:21) Oh, my God. (13:22) I’m exhausted. (13:24) My brain hurts.(13:25) They do it in upload. (13:26) My brain hurts. (13:27) Anyway, I could just see the future being server farms.(13:31) Yes. (13:31) Just buildings. (13:32) Oh, yeah.(13:33) And then all these people never die. (13:35) That’s not a correct statement, but they live forever virtually. (13:39) The only reason they would die is if they lost power and they weren’t backed up somewhere (13:50) on a different server farm.(13:53) Eventually, are they backed up in space? (13:55) Are they backed up on Mars? (13:57) These are a backup. (13:58) Correct. (14:00) If it was one fucking thing off, are you that person? (14:05) Say you skip one fucking bit of data from the upload.(14:12) Is it exactly the same person? (14:14) Right. (14:15) And are you- (14:15) What’s a bit? (14:16) A bit is like a fucking letter. (14:18) Right.(14:19) But if it’s a bit, are you like, okay, you’re missing one hair. (14:24) Oh, yeah. (14:24) A big fucking deal.(14:25) Then you would never notice. (14:26) Right. (14:27) What is the bit that’s missing? (14:29) If the bit is, you can’t say L. (14:34) So all your L words are like, you know what I mean? (14:37) Like- (14:38) Fide.(14:39) Rice. (14:43) Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word. (14:45) Epricons.(14:46) Okay, so- (14:47) I see epricons. (14:48) I’m with you. (14:49) Your bit is an X, not an L. (14:51) I’m so sorry.(14:52) Xylophone. (14:53) You can’t say xylophone. (14:54) Fuck you.(14:55) You can’t say crossing either. (14:56) Yes. (14:56) There’s no crossing.(14:57) There’s no x-rays. (14:58) There’s no x-wing fighter. (14:59) You say wing.(15:01) I like that wing plane. (15:02) No Star Wars. (15:03) Yes.(15:03) Fuck Star Wars. (15:04) So I could imagine server farms with all these consciousnesses. (15:11) Yeah.(15:11) Conscious nigh. (15:12) Yeah. (15:15) That’s the point is that I don’t see that as our far-fetched reality.(15:22) Right. (15:23) What if- (15:24) Yes. (15:25) Here’s an extension of that.(15:26) Go. (15:28) Your meemaw goes away. (15:30) Your meemaw passes.(15:30) Oh, meemaw. (15:31) Poor meemaw. (15:32) I miss her already.(15:32) ID is meemaw because of Sheldon. (15:34) That bastard. (15:35) Sheldon.(15:36) Sheldon. (15:37) Oh, Shelly. (15:39) Meemaw goes away and we upload her and we can communicate with her, right, in some kind (15:45) of way where we put on visors and whatnot.(15:47) Yes. (15:48) VR. (15:49) And she’s like, oh my God, Sonny, this is the best place you could- I want you to go (15:54) right now.(15:55) Don’t live your life. (15:56) It’s so much better. (15:58) You have access to Egypt and then- (16:01) And Funyuns.(16:02) And Gobekli Tepe and everywhere else you want to be in the world, you don’t need this. (16:07) And I’m like, oh, meemaw. (16:09) Okay.(16:11) Um. (16:12) Problem. (16:13) That does happen.(16:15) It’s a weird kind of suicide. (16:20) Yeah, yeah. (16:21) I got nothing, man.(16:21) I don’t know what to do with it. (16:22) Yeah, no, that happens on the show, dude. (16:24) Oh, well, does it? (16:25) Yeah.(16:27) What? (16:27) On upload? (16:28) Yeah. (16:29) I don’t remember that. (16:30) Did you watch the whole thing? (16:31) Yes.(16:33) Oh, yes. (16:34) Yes. (16:35) Well, that’s a little- (16:36) No spoilers on the show, please.(16:37) Yeah, but it was slated- not that it was better world, it was so she could be with him. (16:40) Correct. (16:41) That’s a- (16:41) But that’s what meemaw just told Sheldon to do.(16:43) No, she just said that the world is better than the real world. (16:47) Yes. (16:48) The world is better.(16:49) Like, you can experience more in this virtual world than you could ever physically experience (16:54) in the real world. (16:55) It’s all the Funyuns and you don’t get fat. (16:57) Right.(16:58) Yeah. (16:58) Yeah. (16:58) And it’s like everything at the touch of- like, it’s pretty fucking convenient.(17:03) Yes, you’re correct. (17:05) Different motives, same result. (17:07) The blonde whore.(17:08) Right. (17:09) But different motive, same result. (17:11) Yes.(17:11) Kill themselves to not be in this world to contribute to this society energetically with this soul, (17:17) right? (17:17) The physical body, the biochemical thing that we are. (17:20) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (17:20) The ball of meat.(17:21) The meatball. (17:22) We are no- no ball of meat. (17:24) Meatball’s different.(17:25) Memphis meats. (17:26) I keep saying this thing. (17:27) I should get paid.(17:27) Yeah? (17:29) We. (17:30) One dollar- (17:30) We should get paid in one meatball. (17:32) One dollar per ball.(17:32) I would like one meatball, Memphis. (17:36) It needs to be like- (17:37) I bet it’s better than Nashville. (17:40) I would concur.(17:41) I don’t know. (17:42) Nashville steakhouse is pretty good. (17:43) I’ve been to one.(17:44) You should get paid in- (17:45) I went to that one that has a steak in the house. (17:47) It’s like a house steak. (17:49) Okay.(17:49) Steakhouse. (17:49) Yeah. (17:50) Yeah, I went to that one.(17:50) It was good. (17:51) Okay. (17:52) You need a meatball the size of, like, a soccer ball.(17:56) That’s a spicy meatball. (17:58) So, yeah. (17:59) So, the motivation of leaving this world- (18:02) Yes.(18:02) If you could be constantly uploaded to some kind of digital utopia- (18:06) Yes. (18:06) Would be very appealing to a lot of people who don’t want to fucking be here anymore. (18:10) If you can afford it.(18:11) If you can afford it. (18:12) But let’s just say that’s- (18:13) Katy Perry can afford it. (18:14) She was depressed.(18:15) She’s depressed, bro. (18:16) Katy Perry. (18:17) She’s depressed, bro.(18:18) Who’s not depressed? (18:19) But that’s my point. (18:20) You see what I’m saying is that’s an easy way out? (18:23) But- (18:24) That would be. (18:25) Then that goes to your point that you made about Star Trek earlier on the other, excuse (18:31) me, episode.(18:33) If it’s a utopian society where everybody could upload, would you even want to be alive? (18:40) Wouldn’t you just want to go to utopia and get off this shitty planet? (18:44) Yeah. (18:45) And not- (18:45) Because every time you stub your toe, you’re like, motherfucker, why am I even here? (18:49) Let’s get off this rock. (18:51) Right? (18:52) Yeah.(18:53) That’s a great question. (18:54) So I have a thought about it. (18:57) Fuck yeah.(18:58) I don’t know if it’s right or good. (18:59) Damn, man. (18:59) I keep hitting my fucking head on this fucking thing.(19:02) Why don’t you fix it, dude? (19:03) Because I’m broken. (19:04) Not it. (19:05) I’m broken.(19:06) That’s a great fucking song. (19:07) That is a great fucking song. (19:09) That is a really good song, dude.(19:10) Dear Pantera, can we please use your song, I’m Broken. (19:15) My dear, it’s Pantera. (19:16) For all the podcasts.(19:17) I would like to use this love. (19:18) Love, Christy P. (19:20) And broken. (19:21) I’m broken.(19:25) Okay. (19:28) So, this was going to come up later, but we might as well do it now. (19:31) Fuck yeah.(19:31) The Matrix. (19:32) The Matrix. (19:33) Right? (19:33) Movie number one.(19:34) Movie number one. (19:40) You basically get plugged in, right? (19:41) You get jacked into this thing, and while you’re being jacked in, you’re also a battery. (19:46) It’s a symbiotic relationship, right? (19:49) A battery? (19:49) A battery.(19:50) Oh, I didn’t know that was a- (19:51) It’s Metallica. (19:52) Oh, I had no idea. (19:54) Thank you, Metallica guy? (19:58) Ish? (19:59) Go.(19:59) Okay. (20:01) So, the question is this, then, is like, well, we as a society cannot survive, like, (20:06) as humanity, if we’re all plugging into this fucking thing. (20:09) But what if we signed a contract where we voluntarily become a power source when we’re (20:14) plugged in, in this utopian world for a couple hours a day? (20:19) And that’s like, that’s when we can just do whatever.(20:21) Oh, you’re plugged in. (20:23) Oh, that’s a good question. (20:24) Oh, that’s tougher.(20:25) I mean, like, because, what’s his name? (20:27) Neo didn’t know he was a battery while he was in that. (20:29) Right, because he was born into that, right? (20:32) Into the battery. (20:32) Yeah, this would be a conscious decision.(20:35) Oh. (20:35) Where you would say, maybe, and I’m coming up with a shit ton of really cool ideas today. (20:42) What if you’re like, hey- (20:42) I dig this, dude.(20:44) You give me four hours of door-sell-copper-top time, I will throw you into this orgy where (20:52) you don’t even need to blow up a plane to get 72 virgins or whatever, I’m just gonna (20:55) throw you with a virgin. (20:56) How about just, like, three virgins? (20:57) And they’re of legal age. (20:59) Are they, like, sex bots, or are they, like, humans? (21:02) They’re whatever you fucking, they can be fucking animals, I guess, it’s a virtual.(21:05) Oh, I’m not really into sheep, dude. (21:07) That’s the point, they don’t need to be, they can be whatever you want. (21:10) Well, it’s not like they force the animal type on you.(21:12) Okay. (21:13) Because then that would be, like, that would be rape, bro. (21:16) Well, yeah, what if the sheep wants to? (21:16) That would be non-consensual animal sex.(21:19) But you don’t want to, man. (21:20) Okay. (21:20) And you matter.(21:22) Thank God. (21:23) You matter, bro. (21:23) Thank the gods.(21:25) But, what if you’re like, okay, so you give us four hours of door-sell time, we’ll give (21:29) you, you know, you can upload into, like, a thing where you just kill everybody because (21:33) you hate the world. (21:35) Planet Doom. (21:35) Right? (21:36) Just fucking, like, sociopathic, gun-toting nightmare.(21:40) Dexter. (21:41) Walk into a fucking nightclub and just shoot whoever the fuck you want. (21:44) Or you have all the sex you want.(21:46) Or you could have a four-hour therapy session. (21:49) Or whatever. (21:49) And it’s like a quid pro quo of the program.(21:53) To, like, you’re offering yourself, and as that, they take your body heat and whatever, (21:57) as energy source for some other thing. (22:00) But, yeah, if we all wanted to fucking be there, there wouldn’t be humanity. (22:04) We couldn’t do it.(22:05) You’d have to put laws in place that would not allow you. (22:09) Like, if you upload prior to death-death, like, within, you know. (22:14) Not death, but death-death.(22:17) Well, like, you’re near death. (22:19) What if you spent money-money? (22:20) Well, how about this? (22:22) And you didn’t even get a kiss-kiss. (22:23) You have a heart attack, and they bring you back.(22:26) I’m okay with you uploading right then and there, but you’re kind of making that decision, (22:29) right? (22:29) And then you’re done. (22:31) But you’re a healthy 28-year-old that just feels blue. (22:37) Maybe you, this is Knocked Conscious, I’m not belittling mental health things.(22:44) I want to be clear that I’m not. (22:46) Of course. (22:46) The blues are just, I’m trying to be, I don’t know, glib about it, I guess.(22:51) But, you know, you’re not feeling great, and you just want to leave and upload (22:55) and be done with it. (22:56) I don’t, you’d have to find a way to prevent that, because everybody would, (23:01) a good percentage of people would be like, this experience is so real to me that, (23:06) you know, if enough people told us how good it was that we have to leave. (23:10) Okay, now I gotcha.(23:11) If that makes sense. (23:11) Yeah, I understand. (23:12) I don’t know, I’m just talking in circles right now.(23:14) No. (23:15) My head hurts. (23:16) Triangles.(23:16) But yeah, so, that would be a thing, right? (23:20) Where if we decide to all upload, there would be no society to which we care. (23:24) Nobody would take care of the server farms. (23:26) Right.(23:26) There would be no one to do anything. (23:28) So it almost would have to be, if you’re living, that you can, it’d be a getaway (23:35) if you choose you can do it, right? (23:40) Yes. (23:41) It’d be a cool alternative energy.(23:42) If it worked like the Matrix, like, how fucking cool would that be? (23:45) It’s like, hey, your trip to virtual world, you know, just helped the human race (23:52) eliminate all fossil fuels. (23:54) Like, how fucking cool would that be? (23:56) You know what I mean? (23:57) And like, or if like, in our dream state, unless dreams actually matter with REM sleep, (24:02) we need to have dreams. (24:03) Yeah.(24:03) In our sleep state, we could just upload and create and add to the energy or something (24:09) in that way. (24:10) I’m thinking Matrix style, right? (24:11) Yeah. (24:11) With the electrical pulses and the shit and all that shit.(24:15) But not the gross liquid that he was sleeping in. (24:17) Ew, that was so fucking grody. (24:18) Yeah.(24:19) I’m not okay with that. (24:20) I don’t want snot all over my fucking body. (24:22) I got enough up in there.(24:22) That was just, not even, that was worse than snot, dude. (24:26) I got enough in there. (24:27) It was a scratch or were you picking? (24:29) I’m scratching! (24:31) It’s a scratch! (24:32) I don’t know if that sounds Seinfeld-y.(24:34) It was very Seinfeld-y. (24:35) Was it A.I. Seinfeld? (24:36) Like, it’s a scratch! (24:38) It was very good Seinfeld. (24:40) Excellent.(24:41) Well put. (24:42) So yeah, so, I wouldn’t, like, this world has shitty smells in it and like, literally (24:52) shitty smells. (24:52) I’ve driven through a few.(24:54) Like, I’ve also made smells. (24:55) Have you ever been to JFK Airport? (24:57) I’ve made smells also. (24:59) This world’s harsh.(25:01) If there was a way to just leave and just upload to something really cool. (25:03) But there’s amazing things here too, man. (25:06) There are.(25:07) Have you ever been on I-17, southbound, when that bakery is making that fresh baked bread, dude? (25:15) What if you can smell it? (25:16) I believe that bakery makes Corleone’s rolls. (25:20) Shut up. (25:21) I could be wrong.(25:22) I could be wrong, but I think that’s correct. (25:23) Dude, that smell, man. (25:26) You’re right.(25:27) God. (25:28) What if you could digitally have that smell whenever you want? (25:32) In just, like a, like a mister. (25:36) If they could just pipe that into your battery? (25:39) It doesn’t need to be.(25:40) It’s all digital. (25:40) I know. (25:41) If everything’s digital, like, if you could recreate everything digitally, you could recreate (25:46) everything here.(25:48) That’s the only reason to leave. (25:50) Like, only if it’s that precise, right? (25:54) Like, it would have to be that. (25:55) Like, if baked bread smelled like asshole in the upload world, I don’t think I’d want that.(26:02) But if baked bread smells like baked bread, I’d want that. (26:07) And I think I don’t know where to go from there. (26:10) I’m making notes.(26:11) Stand by. (26:11) Oh, excellent. (26:15) So, that’s the question about that, right? (26:18) You can upload.(26:18) Now, once again, is the soul emergent from our biochemical thing, from our biochemical properties? (26:29) Is that what the soul is? (26:32) Is it the end, the culmination, the equal sign? (26:37) You mean when you die? (26:39) Brain plus biochemical plus human plus evolution plus blah blah blah equals soul. (26:45) Like, is that the equation? (26:46) Because if you upload, if the soul is a separate entity, you can’t upload the soul unless we can find it. (26:57) Correct.(26:58) So, I wonder if we’re able to find it at some point. (27:02) Or if it just, like, I talk about emergent properties. (27:06) The one I always use is temperature, for example, is an emergent property of molecules moving.(27:12) So, if I take a piece of metal and I go like this and I bend it back and forth, it gets hot. (27:19) But the temperature is because of this. (27:23) It’s not the thing that causes that, right? (27:26) Is the soul the total of the cells or is there another thing, right? (27:35) Is really what the question is.(27:38) I don’t think the human race knows that yet. (27:43) Whether we are or not. (27:44) Yeah.(27:45) Or what’s your opinion on it? (27:53) Well, there’s like three points to that question. (27:56) My opinion is I don’t think that when a human being dies, I don’t think that, whatever word you want to use, soul, spirit, (28:12) whatever term is suitable to your belief system. (28:18) May I make a broad term? (28:20) Fuck yeah.(28:21) I speak of the vessel. (28:22) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (28:23) And the occupant.(28:23) Sure, fuck yeah, all that shit. (28:26) The occupant of the vessel. (28:27) Yeah, yeah, that stuff.(28:28) So, I don’t think, well, I think when the human body passes away, I don’t think the soul is there anymore. (28:42) And I don’t think. (28:44) But you think there is something that leaves.(28:47) Yes. (28:47) Is what you’re saying. (28:48) Yes.(28:48) Okay, so it is your opinion. (28:50) Yes. (28:50) That there is a thing that escapes the physical vessel once the vessel is no longer functioning.(28:58) Correct. (28:59) And I don’t think, I don’t think there will ever be a way to capture that. (29:10) I thought, I watched the show upload a month ago, whatever.(29:17) And I thought, wow, on the show, the presumption is they found a way to capture the consciousness. (29:26) Right, because it is the guy’s personality. (29:28) Right.(29:29) And I’m like, oh, they found a way to capture the consciousness. (29:32) So I thought it was a, it’s everything. (29:34) It’s your soul, it’s your memories, it’s everything about all the people.(29:39) There was a whole shitload of people that went to this virtual world and they all interacted. (29:44) Oh, when did you die? (29:45) How did you die? (29:46) And they all became friends and shit and they all went to breakfast together and crap. (29:49) But just this week I thought, wait a minute.(29:53) And this is stupid that I’m having these conversations with myself. (29:56) I thought, it’s not really the consciousness of the person. (30:03) It’s a digital copy.(30:07) And that’s where I thought the human race is going. (30:12) They’re trying to make a digital copy of a human’s, I don’t even want to say consciousness or soul. (30:21) I want to say like their makeup.(30:22) So let’s say they want to make a copy of checkmark. (30:25) They’ll go, okay. (30:27) Get on this Xerox machine and lower your pants during the office party.(30:32) And then you make Xerox copies of your bare buttocks. (30:35) Yes, you get a little bit of sack, a little bit of taint. (30:38) I go to looking for butt hair.(30:40) Oh, look, it’s on the copy. (30:41) Oh, there you go. (30:41) There’s the butt hair.(30:42) There’s a copy. (30:43) So there’s checkmarks, memories, his behavior patterns. (30:51) Identical, like to your point, a copy.(30:54) It is a digital copy, which is then uploaded onto a computer and stuck into a virtual world. (31:04) It’s not his soul. (31:07) It’s not his essence.(31:11) It’s not his essence. (31:13) And that’s where the gap is. (31:15) What if you can make a clone of yourself and transfer the information to the clone that has all your biochemical properties and all of your other properties? (31:32) Do you think that the soul still is its own thing? (31:37) That’s all I’m asking.(31:38) I do. (31:38) I don’t think you can transfer a soul. (31:40) Right.(31:42) It’s certain. (31:43) It would. (31:43) I would certainly argue that if there wasn’t a soul that left an entity at its the vessels existence stopping.(31:53) That no one could recreate that. (31:56) Agreed. (31:57) That said, well, I think we’ll destroy ourselves as a human species before we get to the possible technology of doing that.(32:09) We also didn’t recreate fire. (32:10) We also didn’t have a, we didn’t fly for thousands of, you know, tens of thousands of years. (32:18) Of course.(32:19) We didn’t have any of these technologies. (32:22) Who’s to say, right? (32:23) I’m just to play devil’s advocate. (32:26) What if there’s a, we have psychics, what if they are found to be true, right? (32:33) Obviously we’ve talked about our experiences and whatnot.(32:35) And I have, I’m, I vacillate on whether we are a soul or whether we don’t, because I’ve had past lives in different bodies and experienced different things. (32:43) Right. (32:43) In my memories.(32:46) But, um, what if we, what if it’s, I don’t know the best way to say it. (32:56) Um, what was I, what are we talking about? (33:02) Fuck dude. (33:03) I got to stop smoking.(33:06) Uh, don’t smoke, ladies and gentlemen. (33:08) Uh, we’re shit uploads a shit. (33:13) Oh, the essence, the vet, the occupant of the vessel, right? (33:17) We’re talking about the essence of the person now is if it’s a separate thing.(33:23) Maybe they can take a picture of that. (33:25) It’s make a copy of that at some point. (33:28) The technology could get to that point.(33:30) Couldn’t we get there? (33:32) Yeah. (33:32) Yeah. (33:33) I mean, it’s possible.(33:34) Right. (33:34) Of course, anything’s possible. (33:36) I would think that’s less likely.(33:38) Right. (33:38) I would. (33:39) Yeah.(33:39) Yeah. (33:41) However, this is where I, it gets weird is like the soul. (33:44) How many souls are there? (33:46) Does the, does the birth of a child mean a soul enters it? (33:50) Are there souls floating around their extra line or, you know what I mean? (33:53) Like it opens up a whole bunch of questions.(33:55) It’s a huge can of worms because in theory, I mean, there’s 7 billion people alive right now. (33:59) Right. (34:00) Right.(34:00) And it’s way more than it used to be. (34:03) Yeah. (34:04) Which, that’s exactly where I was going.(34:06) So does that mean, you know, we’ve, that means if you go down that line of questioning, (34:14) we’ve killed millions of dinosaurs. (34:17) So that means the dinosaurs had souls and then the baby being born right at this moment (34:22) used to be a saber tooth tiger. (34:24) Did I just, I thought I threw my pen at you.(34:27) Sorry. (34:27) Does, does, does do things without sentience? (34:31) Do all creatures have a soul is what I’m asking. (34:33) Well, that’s.(34:34) In your opinion. (34:37) Do you know what I mean? (34:38) Cause we talk about reincarnation, like there’s concepts like reincarnation. (34:40) Yeah.(34:41) Yeah. (34:41) That’s kind of what I was thinking. (34:44) So it is my opinion.(34:45) I would agree with you that every entity has an essence of some sort. (34:49) I just don’t know what the fuck I could call it. (34:51) Yeah.(34:52) Would the soul of your fly, if you were a fly, if you were reincarnated as a fly, (34:56) then died, but did a good thing as a fly. (34:58) And then got reincarnated. (34:59) Is that soul enough to fill a human body, for example? (35:02) Or is there a storage? (35:04) Is there a, is there a spatial, spiritual upload area also for our souls? (35:12) Like there’s a server farm in fucking planet Rigoron 3. (35:17) Rigoron.(35:17) It’s just some fucking essence collector or whatever, right? (35:21) Like could that, couldn’t that be that our soul where it’s a physical manifestation (35:25) of the server farm? (35:28) I understand what you’re saying. (35:29) What are your thoughts on that? (35:30) The soul farm. (35:31) I don’t, I don’t see why a fly.(35:34) I just wanted to put you on the spot. (35:35) I’m sorry. (35:35) I don’t give a shit.(35:36) You do all the fucking time. (35:38) I don’t see why, excuse me, I shouldn’t have brought the fucking seven up. (35:43) I don’t know why I swallowed a fly.(35:45) I guess I’ll die? (35:45) Yeah. (35:46) I don’t see why a fly can’t be reincarnated as a aardvark. (35:51) And then aardvark is reincarnated as a lion.(35:53) And the lion is reincarnated back as a fly. (35:55) Okay. (35:56) I mean, I’m just curious if this like, cause the logic in me, I get impossibly logical at (36:03) times.(36:05) Is a soul like the fucking head of a pin or is it your fucking essence? (36:09) And if it’s your essence and there’s bigger, bigger personalities than you, that your soul (36:16) is occupied before, is your soul enough to fill it? (36:19) I understand. (36:19) Or is it overflowed if it goes into like a fly that’s really on instinct? (36:23) Right. (36:24) Cause it doesn’t work on consciousness.(36:25) But is the soul really. (36:28) Is the soul due to the consciousness of the individual? (36:30) Right. (36:31) But is a soul really a size? (36:33) Right.(36:34) That’s the question. (36:35) Yeah. (36:35) Like fuck dude, who the fuck knows that answer? (36:37) But I would guess the essence of a fly is smaller than the essence of an elephant.(36:41) I understand. (36:43) And even the essence of an elephant is differently stronger, maybe physically stronger in some (36:49) way than us where we’re more. (36:52) Of course.(36:53) I totally understand what you’re saying. (36:55) It sounds weird. (36:55) I totally understand what you’re saying.(36:57) Hello, Twitter world. (36:58) Do you have any idea what the fuck we’re talking about? (37:01) Cause I’m lost, but I’m with you. (37:04) I get what you’re saying.(37:06) I don’t think anyone knows the answer to that. (37:10) I’m sure many people have an opinion and I’m sure many people of faith have an opinion (37:16) and they’ll go, Oh no, you know, they’ll fucking be strongly worded that we’re full of shit (37:22) and we’re, Oh, you’re the devil is tempting you. (37:25) And may I share an opinion? (37:26) Fuck yeah.(37:29) Our souls, individual, our, our individual, every soul in my opinion is X. (37:36) It’s this entity, whatever this entity is as it gets poured into different vessels. (37:44) Yeah. (37:44) Depending on the needs of the vessel, like we’re conscious beings.(37:47) So we would have to have more soul than a fly who works only on instinct, right? (37:55) Flies don’t think about whether they’re doing right or wrong, good or bad. (37:58) So the soul needed for the fly is not as large as a soul needed for the human who has consciousness (38:06) and makes decisions and has guilt and all these other things. (38:09) Yeah.(38:10) That’s my opinion. (38:10) Okay. (38:11) And I feel like there is almost like a server farm up there and it only allows the amount (38:17) needed for each thing.(38:20) And the reason I think that, and it’s fucking ridiculous, is my friend, I’m just going to (38:25) call him Jay. (38:26) Okay. (38:27) He passed away in August of 2017.(38:29) He killed himself. (38:32) He had a little too much poured into him. (38:37) It felt like that.(38:38) Like the vessel couldn’t handle the amount of essence that was like, they just measured, (38:46) they just mismeasured by like just enough to break the brain, right? (38:51) The brain can only handle, you know, it handles X amount. (38:54) We talk about 10% of our brain being used. (38:56) What if the rest is soul storage or some other fucking thing, right? (38:59) We don’t even know.(39:00) Right. (39:00) So is that, that makes me go along those lines. (39:04) It’s a, so a radical fucking concept, right? (39:07) Cause cause I’ve had personal experiences in different bodies and different, I’ve had (39:14) a non corporeal experience.(39:15) I’ve had an alien experience, a different race species, whatever in, in like past life (39:21) regressions and whatnot. (39:22) So take it worth a grain of salt, whatever. (39:24) But what I’ve experienced was like, yeah, I could see my friend Jay just got certain (39:32) things that were above what we should know.(39:35) And it fucking broke them. (39:38) And it’s like when they fucking poured in the soul, they’re like, oops, all shit fucking (39:42) spilled out. (39:43) You know, almost like it’s a cake, like they’re baking cakes up there.(39:47) So I’m curious if that’s how anyone else thinks, because it’s a fucking weird way to think. (39:54) Does that make any sense? (39:55) Yeah. (39:56) Yeah.(39:58) So I just feel like our vessel can only handle so much. (40:02) And if it’s too much, that’s where we get schisms and breaks and we can talk about it (40:08) in some weird way here. (40:09) But why do those happen? (40:10) Like, let’s be honest.(40:11) Why do, why do people have fucking psychotic breaks? (40:14) Yeah. (40:14) What causes those? (40:16) We don’t really know. (40:18) Or do you think that that’s just as good leads to mental illness? (40:27) Right.(40:27) Well, all mental, like you’ve seen on the light rail, someone holding their ears and (40:31) talking to themselves. (40:32) Yeah. (40:34) It’s my opinion that they’re actually talking to something and someone.(40:38) It’s there. (40:39) They, to them for sure. (40:41) Yeah.(40:42) But I actually believe that they, it’s my opinion that they’re already, they’re picking up, (40:46) they’ve got more antenna than us. (40:47) They’re just picking up different signals. (40:49) So when they hear voices, are the voices too much? (40:53) Like that break, right? (40:54) Yeah.(40:55) What caused that? (40:56) Could it be too much soul in that human body at birth? (40:59) I don’t know. (41:00) I mean, obviously traumatic events can cause breaks. (41:03) You know that, but not every mentally challenged person has had a traumatic experience.(41:09) Not, not everyone. (41:10) It’s not been that way. (41:11) Obviously patient zero didn’t.(41:14) Right. (41:14) Like patient zero of mental problems didn’t have, didn’t create a traumatic experience (41:20) or something like that. (41:21) Right.(41:21) There had to be a start to it. (41:23) Yeah. (41:24) Like people who don’t, who feel depressed that you had to have a person that felt depressed (41:28) first.(41:29) Right. (41:30) Or at least diagnosed that maybe we’ve all felt a certain way until we like acknowledge (41:33) it or something. (41:34) But anyway, so I have no idea what the fuck I was saying there too.(41:39) I feel like this one’s going awry. (41:42) I think it’s me. (41:43) I think it’s more like a wheat than a rye.(41:44) How scared you took the bread. (41:46) You stole the fucking bread, dude. (41:49) You stole the bread.(41:50) I love bread. (41:50) I do love bread too. (41:51) Pasta? (41:52) You know that’s a band? (41:53) Bread? (41:54) Yeah.(41:55) Oh shit. (41:55) I didn’t know that. (41:57) Mary loves bread.(42:00) She goes, that’s a band. (42:01) I was like. (42:01) No fucking way.(42:02) Like 20, eh, 18 years ago. (42:04) She goes, I love bread. (42:04) I was like.(42:05) Where they at? (42:06) It’s like a 70s classic rock band. (42:08) I know like vanilla, whatever that one. (42:12) Play the funky music.(42:13) Cherry, vanilla cherry. (42:15) Cherry vanilla. (42:15) Coke.(42:16) I don’t fucking know. (42:18) Anyway. (42:18) So back on.(42:19) Fuck, dude. (42:20) I know we fucked this one up. (42:21) That’s all me.(42:22) I don’t mind, dude. (42:23) That’s me. (42:24) Upload consciousness.(42:25) So we’re back on it. (42:25) So what are your thoughts about that though? (42:27) Which fucking part? (42:29) The part about the soul being X. (42:32) Too much? (42:33) And every entity should only be able to hold a certain amount of that. (42:38) And the rest is some kind of weirdly stored up there.(42:43) I’ve obviously never heard that theory before. (42:46) But I don’t. (42:48) No one has.(42:50) Yeah. (42:51) I don’t. (42:52) How do you get a grant for that? (42:55) You have to email them.(42:57) Email Grant. (42:59) Mr. Grant. (43:00) Dear Grant, I am forth looking for a soul is only measured in certain size animal in essence.(43:08) Please respond accordingly. (43:11) Thank you. (43:12) At checkmark slash Knocked Conscious dot com.(43:15) Checkmark. (43:18) Certified checkmark. (43:21) I think your theory holds water.(43:24) I don’t think that that’s. (43:25) It’s not improbable. (43:27) It’s possible.(43:28) I don’t think that’s that far fetched of an idea. (43:31) How do you. (43:32) There’s so many things in the human mind that no one understands.(43:38) Yeah. (43:39) Why. (43:39) Just in the fact that people or people.(43:42) Neurologists and other smart doctors say we only understand 10 percent of the brain. (43:49) You went to college for fucking nine years. (43:52) You only understand 10 percent.(43:53) Why don’t you fucking stay in school? (43:57) How is it. (43:58) I don’t know that answer. (43:59) Why are you looking.(43:59) I didn’t go to school for that. (44:01) It was rhetorical question, sir. (44:04) You know, I mean, so that’s just the tip of the iceberg regarding the understanding of the human condition.(44:11) You know, there’s there’s there’s there’s psychiatrists with peach with with better doctors. (44:16) No shit. (44:17) That’s redundant.(44:18) Redundant. (44:18) Excuse me. (44:22) That practice for 40 years that don’t fully understand why humans do what humans do.(44:28) Right. (44:29) That and humans that have mental breaks and just like you said, and those schisms and that have. (44:35) It’s so interesting.(44:37) They have multiple mental. (44:40) You know, whether it’s bipolar or or obviously, you know, ID, you name it, manic, depressive or what? (44:46) Imagine D.I.D. (44:48) What’s that? (44:49) Disassociative identity disorder, just multiple personality. (44:52) Yeah, it’s the new thing.(44:53) Yeah. (44:53) It’s D.I.D.’s like the new multiple personality. (44:55) Have you seen the have you ever seen the United States of Terror, for example? (44:59) No.(44:59) It was a Showtime show. (45:01) I think it’s on like Hulu or something now. (45:03) It’s interesting.(45:04) Have you seen the show Atypical? (45:06) No. (45:07) On Netflix? (45:07) With the kid with autism? (45:08) I’m just curious. (45:09) I just thought I’d ask, bro.(45:11) Anyway, the person has D.I.D. (45:13) And maybe those personalities that come out are other souls or other fucking channels or. (45:19) Or is that a defense mechanism? (45:21) For the trauma. (45:22) Yeah.(45:23) For them to protect themselves. (45:24) It could be both. (45:25) And it could be either.(45:26) It could be either. (45:27) I mean, they speak of psychopathy to be like caught like Ted Kaczynski was created. (45:36) Ted Bundy was created.(45:37) Right. (45:38) Like, but there had to be one psychopath that it wasn’t a thing. (45:42) So it wasn’t a created thing.(45:44) You know what I mean? (45:45) Well, don’t you think the first psychopath was created by his parents? (45:48) Could have, but could it just have been born a born mental? (45:52) Yeah. (45:53) Or lack of a better term defect. (45:55) I don’t know what another way to say it.(45:57) I understand. (45:58) A mental defect that just turns off that feeling part. (46:02) Right.(46:02) Like just allows you to be like, ah, yeah. (46:04) You mean a chemical. (46:05) Like the two parents had a certain chemical makeup.(46:08) The data. (46:09) Which created the chemical makeup of the child where they were unfeeling. (46:14) Right.(46:14) Or as a mutation during birth. (46:16) I mean, we have new mutations that change eye color and hair color. (46:19) Right.(46:19) Whatever, right? (46:20) And I feel like the difference between a man and a woman is not until that (46:23) protein time that Ting explains why the fluidity happens to be there. (46:29) Like in that respect, because you have to actually be made a man. (46:33) Correct.(46:34) I mean, it’s X, X, and then the Y that has to break off to become X, Y. (46:38) I believe that’s right. (46:39) Right. (46:39) So we’re all female.(46:40) So it would make sense that there’s a higher proportion of that protein, (46:44) not activating when it needs to. (46:46) I’d never leave the house. (46:50) Yeah, me too.(46:51) I’m curious how big my boobs would be. (46:53) Huge. (46:54) Would they? (46:55) Fucking double Ds, man.(46:55) I mean, I’ve got eight cups now, bro. (46:57) You’d be like double Ds, bro. (46:58) Yeah, but I think I’d have this and I wouldn’t be like hot to myself.(47:01) Just wear like a little, pull the dress up. (47:11) Sideways. (47:12) Mipple.(47:13) The password is tangent. (47:14) Tangent. (47:15) The password is tangent.(47:17) So let’s get it back on track, my dude. (47:19) Sorry, my friend. (47:20) So I have three more points to this disaster.(47:23) Well. (47:24) It’s actually been pretty entertaining. (47:26) It’s been.(47:28) Yes. (47:29) It’s literally reverse AI. (47:30) Like, can you make a digital copy? (47:32) And if the copy is exact, does that equal? (47:35) And to your opinion, currently as we’re speaking, is no.(47:38) A digital copy. (47:40) Is not the same thing. (47:41) Is not as clear as the original, bro.(47:43) Well, it’s a copy. (47:44) Right. (47:45) Unless it’s a picture of checkmarked taint.(47:46) But if it’s identical. (47:47) Off the copy machine. (47:49) But if it’s identical, how is it not? (47:52) Because of the soul.(47:53) Right. (47:54) I’m just being clear about where our stance is, right? (47:57) Like we are saying that a we. (47:59) You and I. (48:00) It is your thought.(48:01) And I’m in accordance with that idea. (48:03) For sure. (48:04) That the soul is an essential component.(48:09) To complete the picture of being able to be uploaded. (48:13) Because an exact duplication of you is impossible. (48:18) Currently.(48:19) Or in your opinion. (48:21) Because you don’t have the soul. (48:23) Even in the future.(48:24) Right. (48:25) I have a hard time believing that the human race will be able to make an identical copy. (48:38) Or.(48:40) And copy is not even the right word. (48:42) You see my point. (48:44) I’m going to shut up.(48:45) No, I’m with you. (48:46) Please. (48:47) It is.(48:48) I don’t think it’s possible. (48:48) Right. (48:49) Because you’re stating that the soul is so unique.(48:52) Each soul is unique to the point where that can’t be copied. (48:55) I don’t think it’s something that can ever be fully understood. (48:59) Right.(48:59) Because a human is so complex. (49:02) We are very complex. (49:03) We’re fucking dumb.(49:04) But. (49:06) If the soul is emergent. (49:09) Making an exact copy with the biomechanical chemical bullshit.(49:15) If we could make an exact clone basically. (49:18) That clone. (49:20) If we can copy it should.(49:23) It could be the emergent. (49:24) Like the soul is the emergent property of all of its combined experiences. (49:29) Right.(49:29) And I just had a thought. (49:31) What about. (49:32) In the future.(49:33) Some fucking smart fucking guy. (49:36) Creates a. (49:38) Let’s just say it. (49:39) A tube.(49:40) And they stick a guy in the tube. (49:42) When the guy’s dying. (49:44) And they can somehow.(49:47) See the soul leaving and they can capture it inside the tube. (49:51) Like the Ghostbusters of Slimer. (49:53) But different.(49:54) Just like Slimer. (49:55) But totally different. (49:56) Totally different.(49:57) Well not Slimer. (49:58) Ow. (49:59) I hurt my finger.(49:59) I’m with you. (50:00) And I. (50:01) And it’s both of our opinions that there’s something else that’s outside of the physical copy of us. (50:07) Correct.(50:08) I believe we’re both on that. (50:09) I think we’re both on that same page. (50:10) Yeah.(50:11) Yeah there’s something. (50:12) I don’t know what it is. (50:13) And some people call it a soul.(50:14) Some people call it this. (50:15) Right. (50:15) And there’s different words.(50:16) Right. (50:16) And they’re all basically the same. (50:19) Yeah.(50:20) And the experiences that I’ve had are very unique. (50:23) And the fact that I’ve had things where my quote unquote soul in my opinion. (50:28) Was in other places in other bodies.(50:32) So. (50:33) It makes sense to me that that’s the thing that’s the difference. (50:40) Yes.(50:40) Anyway. (50:41) Next point. (50:42) So yeah next point.(50:43) The people that are already freezing their body parts. (50:51) Like one of the greatest ball players of all time. (50:54) Ted.(50:58) I forget his last name. (51:00) William. (51:00) Ted Williams from.(51:01) I was going to say the racist Williams. (51:03) The Boston Red Sox. (51:05) Who is currently.(51:06) Why they got to be red bro. (51:07) The Sox. (51:09) Thank you.(51:09) Of Boston. (51:10) Thank you. (51:10) I’m so sorry for the red.(51:13) Hello. (51:14) Washington. (51:15) NFL much.(51:16) Oh my God. (51:17) The Red Sox. (51:18) God forbid.(51:18) I talk about their socks. (51:20) Bitches. (51:21) So anyway.(51:22) His head is frozen. (51:24) Not 20 miles from here. (51:28) Holy shit.(51:29) Let’s take a road trip. (51:30) Road trip. (51:31) I believe it’s called Knocked Conscious on the road.(51:33) Knocked road. (51:35) So we get it. (51:35) Do you think we get an interview? (51:36) Maybe we can go in there and like.(51:37) Hello Ted. (51:38) Do you have anything. (51:38) No not talk to Ted.(51:39) Oh shit. (51:39) But I’m saying like to the people that are freezing his like. (51:41) Oh.(51:41) Excuse me person freezing Ted’s head. (51:43) What is Ted like to eat on Saturdays. (51:45) Oh he’s frozen.(51:46) Oh never mind. (51:47) He likes. (51:48) Does he like beef and broccoli.(51:49) He likes Stouffer’s frozen. (51:51) Does he like. (51:51) Does he like the Stouffer’s broccoli.(51:53) Does he like. (51:54) Oh I bet he likes a frozen lasagna. (51:56) A fucking family meal.(51:58) Yes. (51:58) Fuck yes. (51:59) So do you have to feed it to him.(52:00) Oh you do. (52:01) He doesn’t have any hands. (52:02) OK.(52:02) So Ted races Williams is less than 20 miles away from here and his head’s frozen only. (52:07) It’s not even his body. (52:08) It’s literally just his head.(52:09) Correct. (52:10) Yes correct. (52:11) Are you googling it.(52:12) I’m googling a different thing. (52:14) No we’re going to. (52:14) We’re looking at something else.(52:15) The question is. (52:17) Somebody also told me that Walt Disney’s frozen too. (52:21) I’m looking that one up because I said that to you.(52:23) So the question is that. (52:24) I feel like a moron if I lied. (52:25) If and when Ted Williams gets defrosted.(52:29) Unfrozen. (52:30) Something. (52:31) By the way fuck you for watching Vanilla Sky you cocksucker.(52:37) That one actually made sense at the end. (52:39) No. (52:39) Fuck that movie.(52:41) I get that also. (52:42) But it made sense in the end. (52:45) Tom Cruise was frozen.(52:46) Fuck off. (52:48) He’s fucking dead bro. (52:49) Fuck you.(52:50) Or he had a choice to leave or not. (52:53) I think wasn’t that. (52:55) I don’t care anymore.(52:56) Well frogs were not raining. (52:58) I know that. (52:59) It’s raining frogs.(53:01) Hallelujah. (53:02) Anyway Ted Williams is frozen very close to here. (53:05) Now may I just say how much I love you.(53:07) And I’m not going to say it any in any speed. (53:09) I’m just going to say it. (53:11) Okay.(53:11) I’m not going to say it fake nor real nor quick nor slow. (53:15) I’m just going to say it. (53:16) Okay.(53:16) I love you bro. (53:16) Love you too. (53:17) Okay.(53:17) So Ted Williams who hit over 400 in a season which has never been done again. (53:23) Is his dome is frozen very close to here. (53:27) And if and when he’s thought out and plugged back in and booted up or whatever terms you want to use for any of that shit.(53:35) Yeah. (53:38) Let’s say he actually bats his eyes and hello. (53:43) And he says the n-word.(53:46) Let’s say bro. (53:47) Let’s say he’s so wrong. (53:49) Let’s say he’s not a racist bro.(53:51) Okay. (53:51) Damn. (53:52) He got woke while he was.(53:53) Let’s just say he goes. (53:54) Oh good morning. (53:56) Where am I? (53:57) Where’s my bat? (53:58) Where’s my bat? (53:59) What year is it? (54:00) Have the Red Sox have the Sox of Boston won a World Series.(54:05) Yeah. (54:06) Babe Ruth was trading. (54:07) They go.(54:07) Yeah. (54:07) They’ve won two or three or whatever. (54:09) Fuck it.(54:09) Three. (54:10) I think. (54:10) Yeah, I think so.(54:11) They’ve won three then. (54:12) Oh my God. (54:12) That’s it.(54:13) They beat the Dodgers. (54:14) Well, fuck them. (54:15) So but they cheated.(54:20) Oh fuck. (54:21) So anyway. (54:24) So will Ted Williams because his soul’s gone if there is a soul or whatever word you want (54:33) to use again.(54:35) Will he be a zombie? (54:37) That’s not the right word. (54:38) Not zombie like Walking Dead, but if it’s just his head and he’s plugged in or whatever (54:46) or booted up or plugged into a computer or attached to a body or whatever technology is (54:52) available in 510 or 20 years. (54:55) I’m being very vague here.(54:59) What’s going to happen to Ted? (55:05) Socks Williams. (55:11) Well, the first problem is that the entire body wasn’t frozen. (55:16) If it’s just the head, there’s a problem.(55:18) Why? (55:19) What if there is one fucking cell in the left toenail? (55:22) Yes. (55:23) And I’m sorry, the third piggy of the left nail in the feet. (55:28) The footsies.(55:29) The footsies. (55:30) That is the linchpin of all fucking pieces that ties the whole body together. (55:36) It’s like the grounding wire of the soul.(55:39) What if like or something? (55:42) What if we didn’t know that? (55:45) You just need one cell to not be right for it to not be him. (55:51) So we boot him up and nothing happens. (55:53) Is his nervous system attached? (55:54) Like what if one little piece of nerves ending that might have some memory.(55:58) There might be memory stored in the RNA, DNA or the… (56:01) Of the spinal cord. (56:03) Something, right? (56:05) That data is gone. (56:07) Data.(56:08) Oh. (56:09) Data. (56:09) I just like signed it wrong.(56:10) Data. (56:10) No, data is also correct. (56:12) Actually it’s contextual.(56:13) Contextual? (56:14) May I ask you a question? (56:14) No. (56:16) Go ahead. (56:16) Dammit.(56:17) Fuck. (56:18) Go ahead. (56:18) I just did, so I guess it’s okay.(56:20) May I ask you two questions? (56:21) No. (56:24) You can ask three questions. (56:25) Okay, cool.(56:26) So. (56:26) Yes. (56:27) Pirates of the… (56:29) The ride.(56:30) Pirates of the… (56:31) Caribbean. (56:33) You’re a fucking liar. (56:34) You’re welcome.(56:35) You’re a liar, you fucker. (56:36) Is it? (56:37) No. (56:38) Okay, so what is it? (56:39) Pirates of the… (56:40) How many questions? (56:40) That’s your sort of question.(56:41) I’m not. (56:42) Yes. (56:43) It’s the same question repeated, so it doesn’t count.(56:44) No, because you asked a middle question in between. (56:46) Oh, son of a bitch. (56:46) You said, is it? (56:47) Ha ha ha.(56:49) You, you, you… (56:51) You tricky bastard. (56:52) You son of a bitch. (56:54) But, when you take a trip to the… (56:57) Caribbean.(56:58) Oh, you motherfucker. (56:59) I love you so much. (57:00) I win.(57:01) I win. (57:02) Because you lie. (57:02) I win.(57:03) Because you lie. (57:05) Yeah. (57:05) Because it’s… (57:06) You ride the Pirates of the Caribbean, but you take a trip to the Caribbean.(57:10) It’s contextual. (57:10) Not only did I ride it, but I lied. (57:12) You lied it? (57:13) I lied twice to all your questions, your honor.(57:17) What’s your point? (57:18) What does this got to do with the head of Ted Williams? (57:19) It wasn’t. (57:20) It was just contextual about what we talked about. (57:22) Oh, data and data.(57:22) Data and data. (57:23) It was a tangent, my friend. (57:26) Oh, well played.(57:27) Right. (57:27) Data and data, in my opinion, is also contextual. (57:30) Are stupid and dumb.(57:30) Just like Caribbean and Caribbean. (57:32) Are dumb and stupid. (57:34) I’m both.(57:35) Both of them. (57:35) Both. (57:36) Both.(57:36) Both of them. (57:37) Both. (57:37) B-O-F-E.(57:38) Both. (57:39) U-V-V-E-M. (57:41) Both of them.(57:42) Both of them. (57:45) All right. (57:46) So, Ted Williams’ head plugs in, I believe it to be zombie.(57:49) Chapter seven, Ted Williams’ head. (57:51) Yeah, that it’s missing the entire body makes no sense to me. (57:55) I don’t know why you would just attach the head, other than it being some kind of cost-saving measure.(57:59) The dude was loaded. (58:01) Right. (58:02) That’s my point.(58:03) While Disney’s head allegedly would have frozen, or his body, I’m finding conflicting. (58:10) Allegedly his head. (58:11) I’ll say allegedly.(58:12) But if it’s just the head, that makes no sense why you would just do the head. (58:17) Would you think that the humans that cut his head off at the time go, (58:21) well, the brain’s in there, and that’s where all the smart stuff is, (58:24) so we just need to keep his brain. (58:26) Correct.(58:27) That’s what they did. (58:28) I don’t think they understood the nervous system and how it all interacts at that point. (58:31) What was this, 1920, 21? (58:34) I don’t fucking know.(58:35) Was he in the 40s, 50s? (58:37) No, Ted Williams was like 80, dude, when he died. (58:40) What was his year? (58:42) What year was he frozen? (58:44) Walt Disney or Ted Williams? (58:46) Ted Williams. (58:48) Was that recent? (58:49) It was probably around 2000.(58:54) Okay. (58:55) Walt Disney was dead a lot earlier. (58:57) He died in the 60s.(58:58) If they froze that, his head, if they froze just that, that makes no sense either. (59:03) They might not have understood some things that you would have understood (59:06) by the time Ted Williams’ head was frozen. (59:08) But maybe, how about this for a theory? (59:11) They probably watched Van Halen’s Sky.(59:13) No. (59:14) He signed a contract for his head, never went back to go, (59:17) oh, shit, I want the body. (59:19) And he died before he updated his frozen will.(59:23) Frozen head will. (59:24) His cryo will, as it were. (59:26) What do you think? (59:27) Hello, Twitter world.(59:29) What do you think? (59:30) Don’t forget to update your cryo wills, everybody. (59:33) Cryo wills. (59:34) Make sure you include the body because that one third piggy, (59:38) that one cell in the left toe of the third piggy, that one’s the ground.(59:42) This one. (59:43) Yes, that one. (59:44) That’s the ground.(59:45) Don’t give people the. (59:47) Seriously, what the fuck? (59:48) What if that is it? (59:50) Like there is one, what if it’s a floating fucking one, (59:53) like the soul’s like the head of a pin, (59:55) and it’s just running through your bloodstream all the time. (59:58) We don’t know.(59:58) And we don’t fucking know. (59:59) And we take off the wrong piece or whatever. (1:00:04) That was stupid.(1:00:06) That was dumb. (1:00:07) All right, what about Ted? (1:00:08) Now, what are your thoughts on it? (1:00:09) What do you think of Ted Zombie? (1:00:11) I think he’s going to be a zombie. (1:00:13) Like in what would he just react? (1:00:16) Somehow, if you think about it logically, (1:00:19) you would need an electrical impulse to get his brain to wake up, right? (1:00:23) That’s part of the process, yeah.(1:00:25) Reanimation? (1:00:26) Reanimation. (1:00:26) What are you doing? (1:00:29) You have to wake it up, right? (1:00:32) And continue to go. (1:00:33) Well, first you got to put it in the microwave and hit defrost.(1:00:35) And you have to keep going. (1:00:36) Don’t hit popcorn or potato. (1:00:37) No, not.(1:00:38) You got to hit defrost. (1:00:40) Power three. (1:00:40) Power level three.(1:00:41) Power three. (1:00:42) Bring it up slow. (1:00:43) Make sure there’s no metal.(1:00:44) Don’t put it in aluminum foil. (1:00:45) No foil. (1:00:45) Because then.(1:00:47) Yeah, no foil over there. (1:00:51) So, make sure there’s no conspiracy theories in Ted’s dome. (1:00:56) Keep going.(1:00:56) I’m just fucking around with the camera now. (1:00:58) I’m just being ridiculous. (1:00:59) Yes.(1:01:00) And then. (1:01:01) You dethaw it. (1:01:03) Well, it has.(1:01:03) And it needs a constant input of electrical impulse, correct? (1:01:07) Yes. (1:01:08) So, there needs to be almost like a heartbeat. (1:01:11) Or a generation force of power.(1:01:14) And then I don’t know what they would do. (1:01:16) How do you turn the frequency? (1:01:17) What’s the frequency for the heart versus the whatever? (1:01:19) Fuck, you see what I’m talking about? (1:01:20) What are the electrical impulses? (1:01:22) If you do too much, do the circuits fry? (1:01:24) Does the fucking, does the fuse blow? (1:01:28) Like, it seems ridiculous to me. (1:01:32) I don’t even know.(1:01:32) And I’m not trying to be judgmental. (1:01:34) I don’t even understand. (1:01:35) Like, what’s the original endgame of Ted Williams? (1:01:39) Hey, this is what I want to do.(1:01:48) This is what I want to do, okay? (1:01:51) Bro, Ted Williams is a fucking partier. (1:01:54) I want to, when I die. (1:01:59) Cut my head off.(1:02:01) And reattach it to a zombie body. (1:02:03) Like, what’s, okay. (1:02:05) Like, wake me up.(1:02:07) Not before you go-go. (1:02:08) Wake me up once there’s enough resources to bring me back. (1:02:16) Wake me up when you can reattach me to a body.(1:02:22) No, like, really. (1:02:24) What’s the original endgame? (1:02:32) The illusion of being immortal? (1:02:34) Yeah. (1:02:35) Wake me up in 2040.(1:02:37) But that’s the illusion of being immortal. (1:02:41) He’s never gone if he’s still there. (1:02:45) I know it sounds like such a fucking stupid- (1:02:47) It’s totally true, dude.(1:02:49) You know what I’m saying? (1:02:50) It’s totally true. (1:02:51) Right, but you realize, like, what that means in a- (1:02:55) Stupid. (1:02:56) Existential way.(1:02:57) Not in a physical way. (1:02:58) He’s physically here, he’s physically not gone. (1:03:00) No, I get that.(1:03:01) But, like, if his head’s always frozen- (1:03:03) He’s not dead. (1:03:04) He’s never gone. (1:03:06) Correct.(1:03:06) Because you can always go, (1:03:08) 20 years, Ted froze his head 20 years ago today, (1:03:12) Ted Brilliant froze his head 50 years ago today, (1:03:14) he’ll always be in the news, (1:03:16) in a weird fucking twisted way. (1:03:17) Yep. (1:03:19) Unless and until they can fix it.(1:03:21) Now, I believe my understanding was- (1:03:24) In Walt Disney’s case, did he die of cancer? (1:03:27) I don’t know. (1:03:27) Or something? (1:03:28) I don’t know. (1:03:30) This is where I hate talking about this stuff (1:03:32) that I’m really outside of my breath and depth, (1:03:34) because I don’t want to slander and get fucking sued (1:03:36) for no reason.(1:03:37) So, I’m not going to talk about it. (1:03:38) We don’t know what happened. (1:03:39) Right.(1:03:39) But, I would guess that some people had illnesses (1:03:43) from which they died and had their body frozen, (1:03:46) so they would be frozen, (1:03:47) they get the illness cured, (1:03:49) Yeah. (1:03:50) And then be woken up again somehow. (1:03:52) Yeah.(1:03:53) I just don’t know how that’s possible. (1:03:54) But in theory, you can do that. (1:03:55) If you keep the whole body- (1:03:57) In theory, yeah.(1:03:58) If you’re frozen in a lake- (1:04:00) Correct. (1:04:00) It’s extended. (1:04:01) Correct.(1:04:02) Right. (1:04:02) That’s- (1:04:03) There’s a reanimation. (1:04:05) There’s a- (1:04:05) It’s almost like a- (1:04:06) What’s that called? (1:04:07) Stasis.(1:04:08) Sure. (1:04:09) In a weird way. (1:04:09) But, your point about Ted not being gone (1:04:14) goes to my next point.(1:04:16) Very nice transition. (1:04:18) Unbeknownst to you- (1:04:20) I know nothing. (1:04:21) You don’t? (1:04:21) I really don’t.(1:04:22) I literally know nothing. (1:04:24) Have you heard any of these, Twitter world? (1:04:28) Is the survival instinct of the human being (1:04:33) where my pen keeps falling apart (1:04:36) and I’m done with it. (1:04:37) How are you going to hold this pen in your hand? (1:04:40) I just broke the closet.(1:04:42) Excuse me. (1:04:44) So- (1:04:44) Oh shit. (1:04:46) The survival mechanism, (1:04:48) the survival instinct of the human being (1:04:50) kind of going back to the original idea (1:04:53) of the upload TV show (1:04:55) where if you- (1:04:57) even if your physical body dies, (1:04:59) your consciousness or whatever you want to call that- (1:05:02) Your copy.(1:05:03) Yeah, your copy is uploaded to a virtual infinity. (1:05:10) So, technically, you’re alive forever. (1:05:16) Right.(1:05:16) So, you really- (1:05:19) You think you are alive on that server farm. (1:05:23) That’s my word, not- (1:05:25) Well, you- (1:05:26) You know you’re dead. (1:05:28) Right.(1:05:28) You know you’re conscious of your current existence in the world, (1:05:32) but you are not lacking experience. (1:05:35) Well, you’re conscious of the fact you’re not in the world. (1:05:39) You’re conscious of the fact that you died.(1:05:41) Right. (1:05:41) And you’re conscious of the fact- (1:05:42) You’re physically, yeah. (1:05:42) You’re physical form.(1:05:43) But you still can feel like you know- (1:05:46) The impulses are there. (1:05:47) You know you’re dead. (1:05:48) You know you’re alive in a non-real world (1:05:52) that you’re a computer simulation.(1:05:54) You’re aware of that, (1:05:55) but you can still feel and breathe and fucking have sex and have breakfast. (1:06:03) Yes. (1:06:03) And have steaks.(1:06:05) So, where does the survival instinct in the human being fit into that? (1:06:13) So, let’s just say in the future that the upload to a server farm is capable. (1:06:18) Where does the common human, do they want to survive so bad (1:06:27) that they’re going to want to be uploaded so bad because they don’t want to die (1:06:36) because they think that that is surviving? (1:06:38) That’s part of their survival instinct? (1:06:41) That’s not instinct. (1:06:45) Survival instinct is fight or flight.(1:06:48) It is just that immediate- (1:06:50) It’s literally an instinct. (1:06:51) It’s not a conscious thought. (1:06:52) This is a conscious legacy ego thing.(1:06:55) Okay. (1:06:56) Right? (1:06:57) In my opinion. (1:06:58) Okay.(1:06:59) Let me just say only my opinion because once again, I know nothing. (1:07:04) But it’s my opinion that the ego is what drives that legacy aspect. (1:07:08) That’s the infinite life.(1:07:10) Well, they don’t want to die. (1:07:12) Right. (1:07:12) Nobody wants to die.(1:07:14) Most people. (1:07:15) But the survival instinct is usually like something springs out at you. (1:07:19) How do you react to survive? (1:07:21) But even- (1:07:22) But legacy is different, right? (1:07:24) Let’s be honest.(1:07:25) Our president has children to whom they get all of the wealth and everything he’s garnered. (1:07:33) Correct? (1:07:34) Yes. (1:07:34) That is legacy.(1:07:36) That is ego-driven. (1:07:37) Right? (1:07:37) And if you can continue your own legacy by uploading yourself, (1:07:41) that is a conscious ego-driven, not survival instinct. (1:07:46) It’s beyond.(1:07:47) It’s the survival of the ego, which is something that we have that many- (1:07:51) that kind of comes with consciousness, doesn’t it? (1:07:54) Like the ego, the id, those other mental concepts that we have. (1:07:59) Okay. (1:08:00) Like, yes, if someone asks you, would you like to live forever? (1:08:03) I guess the immediate answer is, oh, yeah, that would be great.(1:08:06) But not for legacy’s sake, right? (1:08:07) Like it would be more like I just want to be alive. (1:08:10) I don’t want to not be alive. (1:08:12) But you don’t really know about that part.(1:08:14) The instinct- (1:08:15) But it becomes this is like, how do I continue my life even after my physical? (1:08:19) That’s now ego. (1:08:20) Now you’re like seeing how you can manipulate the world because of how you feel about it (1:08:28) versus an instinct to stay alive. (1:08:31) Does that make sense? (1:08:32) I see your point.(1:08:34) I don’t know. (1:08:35) So I just feel like that’s ego-driven, right? (1:08:38) So like our consciousness, we as a creature maybe should be conscious enough to go like, (1:08:45) all life has a beginning and all life has an end. (1:08:49) And when it begins and when it ends are not necessarily predetermined per se, (1:08:54) but they’re all within the algorithm of the quantum world that is the universe.(1:09:01) I don’t know another way to say it without bringing in like conscious beings like gods and whatnot. (1:09:05) But everything has energy. (1:09:08) Everything’s connected.(1:09:09) If the Big Bang was the start, everyone’s connected to everything, right? (1:09:13) So when something ends, it’s just the natural end. (1:09:18) Yeah, a car accident. (1:09:20) Tragic.(1:09:22) But maybe that’s just how that’s, that was the time for, that was the time and the place (1:09:26) in this time and place. (1:09:27) In some other place it didn’t happen. (1:09:29) We just don’t understand that part of it either.(1:09:33) But our continuing to exist isn’t, I don’t think it’s as much of a survival instinct (1:09:37) as much as ego-driven like I want to be important or I want to matter. (1:09:42) Because we talk about purpose. (1:09:43) And without purpose, humans are very lost.(1:09:47) And I think that is an ego thing, not a result of our chemistry, the way our chemistry makeup is. (1:09:56) Like it’s not an animal instinct. (1:09:58) Yeah.(1:09:58) You know what I mean? (1:09:59) Like I don’t think a dog goes, dog marks its territory to warn you that it’s like I’m here. (1:10:05) Yeah, that’s their territory. (1:10:06) But it’s not ego-driven.(1:10:08) That’s instinct. (1:10:09) It’s an instinctual like your smell isn’t welcome here. (1:10:13) Yeah.(1:10:14) Right? (1:10:14) Ours is different I think. (1:10:16) I think we’re beyond that instinct. (1:10:18) We’re to the point where like I want to mean something in a thousand years.(1:10:21) Yeah. (1:10:22) Right? (1:10:23) Well, yeah. (1:10:24) So that’s where that question comes in.(1:10:29) So the, what, here’s a question on a side thing if I may. (1:10:34) What if you forced really smart people to upload and use their brain power like, (1:10:42) you know Einstein’s going, you’re like you steal Einstein’s fucking soul and you up or whatever. (1:10:49) You steal Einstein and upload him to your personal whatever to utilize the brain power of Einstein after his physical demise.(1:10:59) Like what about that? (1:11:00) Like how weird would that be? (1:11:02) Like slavery-wise. (1:11:03) Yeah, that’s exactly the word I was thinking. (1:11:07) It’s interesting.(1:11:08) That’s. (1:11:09) What if you had to upload it against your will? (1:11:12) Like you’re going to have to have an upload will. (1:11:15) Right? (1:11:16) Yeah.(1:11:16) It’s like a living will but for uploads. (1:11:18) Like once the physical I do not want to be uploaded into. (1:11:21) Right? (1:11:21) Yeah.(1:11:21) Just like I don’t want to stay on a machine. (1:11:23) That was on the show. (1:11:25) There was a character who did not wish to be uploaded.(1:11:28) That’s right. (1:11:29) Yeah. (1:11:29) But they can say, they can just not do it.(1:11:31) Right? (1:11:32) What I find interesting is I like the altered carbon version so much better. (1:11:37) It was very different. (1:11:38) Very different.(1:11:39) The problem with the altered carbon version is that it does real damage to the. (1:11:46) Well, it continues. (1:11:51) Babies keep getting born.(1:11:52) There would be a population problem I would think with altered carbon. (1:11:57) Right? (1:11:58) There’d be so many souls because every birth would have a new chip. (1:12:03) Right? (1:12:03) Yeah.(1:12:03) Because you can have children I would guess and then they would have. (1:12:08) Or is it like a fixed system? (1:12:11) I don’t know the rules right here, sir. (1:12:13) Right.(1:12:13) But you understand what I’m saying? (1:12:14) Yeah. (1:12:15) If they don’t procreate and everyone’s just kind of fit like it’s 2025 and everyone can (1:12:19) upload and then we’re stuck with the people we have and then you can go in different physical (1:12:23) bodies or whatever versus I can upload as me and have sex with another sleeve and create (1:12:30) another life that now has a new one that needs to be uploaded. (1:12:35) Wouldn’t we have a population problem? (1:12:37) Yeah.(1:12:37) But not everybody can afford the sleeves either so there wasn’t as much because didn’t they (1:12:41) get put in like stacks like. (1:12:43) Yes. (1:12:43) They got uploaded in like a virtual world until they could go into like a body so.(1:12:47) Did you see season two? (1:12:48) Yeah. (1:12:49) No, I watched. (1:12:50) I heard it’s not as good.(1:12:51) I lost it after one. (1:12:53) One was really good but it got just at the end just got a little. (1:12:57) I don’t even remember.(1:12:58) I don’t want to rewatch it so. (1:12:59) No, it’s a little slow but it’s really neat. (1:13:03) I liked one but I don’t remember how it ended or you know.(1:13:06) It was very interesting but it did very much play into the also the kind of the PDS we (1:13:11) talk about we talk about AI who can afford it right same thing with fucking uploading (1:13:16) like who can afford it. (1:13:17) Yeah. (1:13:18) So who does it really benefit? (1:13:19) It’s not for the world.(1:13:21) No, it’s for who can afford it. (1:13:23) It’s the rich. (1:13:24) So let’s take a step back and go this fucking concept should be a natural monopoly or like (1:13:33) a utility.(1:13:34) It needs to be like the internet that needs to be free. (1:13:36) Anyway, should it be a concept at all? (1:13:40) Make it illegal or how about we don’t even fucking do it. (1:13:46) We’re humans bro.(1:13:47) Everybody does something. (1:13:50) Somebody’s researching this. (1:13:52) I know regardless of like whether they should or shouldn’t right like let’s be honest.(1:13:57) So do we make it illegal? (1:14:00) Or you know, so there’s definitely people wanting to do this and trying to do this. (1:14:05) I can’t imagine them because they’re going to make money off the rich could be but it (1:14:08) could be just like holy fuck. (1:14:10) This is just I woke up and I saw this thing and how it’s mapped and I could save the (1:14:14) world.(1:14:15) Some people do good things for good reasons. (1:14:20) Imagine having the entire population of all Humanity uploaded into this place. (1:14:32) That’s free of the traumas that we experience and the triggers we experience and we all (1:14:38) there’s like it’s like a choir and they’re all singing in Harmony.(1:14:43) How beautiful would that feel? (1:14:46) Like you that’s where you’d feel Humanity. (1:14:48) Wouldn’t that be cool that you could upload into a place that you felt that way and then (1:14:52) got re-downloaded into your original body and that would like like that would be your (1:14:58) therapy. (1:14:59) Yeah, you felt peace.(1:15:00) Right? (1:15:00) Imagine that like therapy sessions like you could temporarily upload get fixed. (1:15:07) Whatever word you want to use. (1:15:09) Whatever word you want to use.(1:15:10) Come back and be a better human. (1:15:13) That’d be fucking cool. (1:15:14) That’d be a great way to use it.(1:15:16) We wouldn’t though. (1:15:17) We’d use it for sexbots or some fucking bullshit. (1:15:19) God fuck yes, sexbots.(1:15:21) We’d use it for wars and whatever. (1:15:24) Be like, oh shit. (1:15:25) I’ll just fucking make clone fucking stronger dudes.(1:15:28) I’ll make clone Swedes. (1:15:29) Yeah. (1:15:30) Swede.(1:15:30) Swede. (1:15:31) Swede. (1:15:31) Swede.(1:15:32) Swede. (1:15:32) Swede. (1:15:33) Swede.(1:15:33) Swede. (1:15:34) Swede. (1:15:45) Swede.(1:15:46) In claw. (1:15:47) But only in the face of death. (1:15:49) Correct.(1:15:50) The go, oh God, I’m 80 and I, I, I see you. (1:15:53) You’re deathbed is the same as a fetal death. (1:15:55) Oh, upload me.(1:15:57) Right? (1:15:57) Yeah, I could see. (1:15:58) Okay. (1:15:58) That makes, that’s a good point.(1:16:00) And then they’re 37 and they’re, they’re, they’re in a car accident. (1:16:03) Oh, upload me. (1:16:04) I was taking it from a totally different angle.(1:16:06) I was taking it from the, in the face of death as in like immediate threat danger death. (1:16:11) The instinct kicks in but yes on your dying breath you’d want to you want your life preserved as yeah (1:16:18) It would be instinctual. You’re correct.You never I redact everything. No, you’re very good. You’re right (1:16:24) You’re you your points are very valid (1:16:26) Well, thank you, but I appreciate what you said the survival mechanism and the survival instincts of human beings (1:16:31) I think are so strong if if the if if the ability just to extend their lives is there (1:16:38) Right, they that they will grasp and reach (1:16:41) For anything.Yeah, it’s because we’re humans are weak. You know what I mean? So (1:16:49) You actually (1:16:51) Go ahead. You got something you want? No, I was saying that’s a really good point about that for sure (1:16:56) But I think it’s almost like you wanna live on or not.Yeah, this is your last moment like yes or no (1:17:01) Yeah, yeah, and that instinct you’re correct that instinct. I’m thinking even when you’re 30 and you’re planning (1:17:07) Oh, yeah, if you have a will already thinking because remember at this point you’re saving up for this fucking thing (1:17:12) It’s like college. You got a fucking save up make payments, right? You got a fucking make prepayments, obviously, right? (1:17:17) So there’s a fund right? So you have to actually plan that that’s where I think legacy knee goes like well (1:17:22) I want my life to extend even at 30.You’re not knowing what I’m gonna die regardless (1:17:28) But yes, you’re yes or no people are gonna say yes. Yeah, because it’s just (1:17:32) Unless they’re in so much pain (1:17:35) Virtually up right but you’re saying I can make your paint, right? I know I know so and they don’t you’re absolutely people are (1:17:42) Blinded, you know, anyway, you know, no, you’re my points over. You got it, man.Um (1:17:48) Yes, the last good given that opportunity to extend at this moment or be done right now (1:17:55) 90% of people. Yeah 90 plus I (1:17:57) Would be like, yeah (1:18:00) Yeah, give me another breath or a million or whatever. Yeah fucking weird, man (1:18:06) alright, the last point is (1:18:09) How does organized religion that we know today? (1:18:13) fit into this (1:18:16) That is an excellent question (1:18:19) Well, there are people (1:18:21) Okay, you remember the show altered carbon? Yeah, there were a group of people who felt that when it’s over (1:18:28) It’s over to not extend the life.Correct. They weren’t they some kind of religious sect that was like (1:18:33) I don’t remember the show that well, but but basically they were when they died. That was their only life (1:18:38) They didn’t they weren’t what we call sleeved right or whatever that sure good thing (1:18:43) so that it was almost like an interesting thing because we actually just talked about it a little bit is like (1:18:51) should we as (1:18:53) sentient beings and spiritual beings if we do think that the spiritual thing is (1:18:59) Key component to our life.Mm-hmm the soul whatnot (1:19:03) We should just allow whatever happens to happen like we can still take care of ourselves, whatever but things end life (1:19:11) Ends it is that time that would be the I think the way (1:19:19) Really if you had some kind of faith in the whatever, you know, or some cult or whatever that you had at that point (1:19:25) That’s what you probably believe right? It’s like we should be done (1:19:29) Because that would be taking away God’s power and that’s wrong (1:19:37) So the question is like (1:19:40) Sodom and Gomorrah Sodom and Gomorrah is not an exact thing, but they were doing bad things (1:19:44) Allegedly right in Sodom and Gomorrah and God’s not a let’s tell you stuff. That was the story. Well, that’s the story Bible, right? (1:19:50) That’s the story in the Bible.I say allegedly it’s a story in the Bible proved to me in a fucking court of law that that (1:19:54) Happened. Okay, great. Can’t think yeah, you can’t prove a negative or just proven negative (1:19:59) So regardless the Bible states that this these two cities were doing bad things and they told not to and then they turn them God (1:20:05) Turn them into salt when he turned away and all that shit, right? Yes (1:20:08) Okay, so (1:20:10) Using that is would the ability to upload a consciousness be a Sodom and Gomorrah like act that would require (1:20:17) God to (1:20:19) Turn whoever created that technology or all of us in the fucking Pillars of Salt or whatever.It was a Pillars of Salt (1:20:24) I don’t remember something bad happened. It’s soy sauce (1:20:29) Wasabi or some shit (1:20:30) But (1:20:32) You know what I’m saying, you know what I mean by that I do (1:20:34) Yeah, so once again do fire and play guy when we play God does God intervene? Not anymore and (1:20:42) Consider it 2,000 years. That’s even funnier about that.People would argue that but I wouldn’t people would (1:20:53) But to that end we would then create we would then be in direct (1:20:59) Affront to God a front so it’s not one of the Ten Commandments of thou shalt not make in my appearance (1:21:06) No idols before me. That’s the one that the first thing is not a command, right? It’s false idols (1:21:12) Oh, you must take me above all no and no false idols (1:21:17) It’s the Lord. The first one is the Lord.I am my Lord. You should listen to me for everything second ones (1:21:22) No false idols, I think third one’s murder. You show it’s funny.I don’t know regardless. So let’s go (1:21:29) Basically, they would be humans would be God (1:21:31) So, what are you asking? (1:21:33) Would that remove would that destroy religious faith or would people with crazy fucking religious faith because they still fucking have crazy religious (1:21:41) Faith now with all this age of whatever they still have it (1:21:45) Would they fight it would they fight the upload process? (1:21:49) What were the reactions be of the major faiths around the world if this was a (1:21:56) if there was a (1:21:58) store next in between (1:22:01) Circle K and Verizon there was an upload store and you could go there and give them a thousand dollar deposit (1:22:06) So that when your Nana died, she would be uploaded me more with fucking me. Oh (1:22:13) Nana (1:22:15) Abuelita (1:22:17) So if there was an upload store (1:22:21) Then there’s and it’s on television (1:22:23) Upload brought to you by Amazon.Yeah, and that shit was on there. How would the big really? (1:22:29) Christianity Judaism (1:22:33) What I was gonna say Mormon, but Muslim sure Hindu Buddhism the big five religions around the globe (1:22:39) okay, how would they react if this was a mass a (1:22:45) Real thing right and it was capable if it was capable and proven and nobody and there was no accidents (1:22:52) There’s no misfire. You can fucking go visit me ma (1:22:55) Virtually whenever you want it, right and she’s like Oh Sonny.I had eggs Benedict for breakfast and it was lovely (1:23:01) Thank you for my birthday (1:23:03) Whatever the fuck right and it’s and it’s affordable and it’s a $300 a month to keep grandma alive forever (1:23:09) Yeah, you know virtually life (1:23:11) How would the five organized religions of the world today that could change it and I can tell you exactly I would please (1:23:19) God gave us this gift to extend the human life. God. God gave us the knowledge shut the fuck up (1:23:28) How else where else would they fuck where else would they go with it? I don’t know (1:23:32) Well, they didn’t say fucking Einstein’s quantum theory of fucking really, you know, whatever made it (1:23:38) No, God gave us the knowledge to have this if God didn’t want us to have this (1:23:43) He would not have given us the ability to conceive such a notion (1:23:47) Right, like isn’t don’t you think that would be their response? No, why not? (1:23:52) What what response other than that would there be my I’m sounding no fucking argumentative.I love it. Just really I’m (1:23:59) pitched (1:24:00) Isaac (1:24:05) That’s the theme of today it’s like the crossing particle streams shit of like the newest episode (1:24:12) I’m done. This is the last two that we’re gonna do this because it’s happens to be in the same day (1:24:17) Okay, so does that blow your mind that I would have said it blows my mind what about that so curious (1:24:24) What about that blows your mind that you didn’t think of it that way? (1:24:27) Not saying that’s the right way to think cuz I thought for sure you would agree with me and you don’t it’s (1:24:32) It’s not that I don’t agree with you.What would you okay. So tell me your reaction of the faith. I assumed for sure (1:24:40) It would do one of two things in my opinion.Oh, yeah, there’s one of two and I’ve thought the other one (1:24:45) I thought for sure the organized religions would say (1:24:48) This is wrong. This is sacrilegious (1:24:52) You should die (1:24:55) In our belief system (1:24:59) You’re born and you love God and God loves you (1:25:02) Whichever one you want to worship and then you die and you go to whatever heaven you want and you be with (1:25:09) Him him whether it’s Yahweh or Jesus or the other guy or the other guy and you are your 72 virgins (1:25:17) Or whatever you want to be getting monsters. Yeah flying pasta jackass, so (1:25:23) This (1:25:24) fake (1:25:25) the (1:25:28) virtual fake the virtual (1:25:30) afterlife is (1:25:32) Literally fake it is man-made.It’s a server. It’s a fucking it’s a fucking piece of hardware with (1:25:41) Chemicals and plastic and (1:25:43) Fiber optics and shit, it’s fucking it’s literally fake (1:25:47) Would you call it a tool though to extend one’s life? (1:25:53) No much like a drill is fake, but it (1:25:58) Provides a purpose. No, I do not consider.Yeah, I understand your question not saying I do not consider (1:26:06) I do not consider the virtual afterlife a tool in in any way shape or form (1:26:13) Okay, when it can when it comes into consideration with the religions, I consider the virtual afterlife a direct (1:26:21) contradiction to everything organized religion states (1:26:25) Organized religion states you’re born you love God you serve God God protects you which is a lie (1:26:31) And then you die and go to heaven with God if you’re a good person, right? And I think that (1:26:37) The organized religions would be up in arms and they will be mass (1:26:44) protests and I say that because and (1:26:48) This is where it’s gonna get tricky and I I can’t I hope this happens so bad because I’m gonna sit on my couch (1:26:55) Jim Jack and Jose and I’m gonna watch it. I’m gonna be on the front lines of my couch watching it from lines (1:27:00) Me and the three amigos. Okay, so (1:27:05) Wise men.I saw it all the way. We’re gonna go religious. Let’s go with the three wise men.Yes, Jim Jack and Jose Jim Jack (1:27:11) so (1:27:13) 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. That’s that’s fine. Cool.Yeah, however (1:27:21) If you identify yourself as Christian (1:27:24) You die and you go to heaven or hell or purgatory (1:27:30) That’s that’s the fucking rule. I (1:27:32) Don’t don’t laugh. No, I’m already thinking (1:27:35) But I’m stopping that that’s the fucking rule.Okay, so if (1:27:42) if if if a human being comes along and (1:27:45) Contradicts that and you say oh, hi (1:27:49) I’m Karen from Amazon upload you for $700 (1:27:53) You can die and go to a virtual afterlife you and me ma and Nana and uncle Teddy (1:28:00) Look, that is a really good price. I (1:28:04) this month only $5.99 (1:28:07) Amazon Prime membership only so I (1:28:11) Realize that we’re plugging all these things that we kind of weirdly (1:28:16) So (1:28:17) but that that’s that this is what I find massively interesting is that this is what I think is gonna happen in my mind and (1:28:22) May never if I can happen is that 80% of Americans consider themselves Christian. Yeah, however (1:28:29) This upload thing which may never actually happen and this could be dumb conversation (1:28:33) We do nothing but and I love it.Okay 80% of Americans think they’re Christian and (1:28:39) The (1:28:40) Upload thing and the Christianity thing in my mind completely contradict themselves. So I think the Christians (1:28:46) I really can’t speak to the other religions because I’m not that familiar (1:28:49) I believe the Christians should fucking protest the upload (1:28:53) however going back (1:28:55) I think the Catholic should I don’t think Christian should (1:28:57) Sure, because Catholics are pieces of shit that are fucking antiquated and stuck in fucking old shit that are not (1:29:03) Open-minded enough to try to keep up and the Mormons are not wait. I’ll explain it a different way.Okay. Sure. So I (1:29:11) Don’t like the Mormons.I think the Mormons would want to extend the life to be honest because they’re very entrepreneur. They’re gonna (1:29:17) Ism in the virtual I don’t think that they would see (1:29:19) Personally, I don’t think Mormons to see this as about as a problem (1:29:22) They would just see it as the God thing because they’re able to fucking talk themselves, bro (1:29:25) Some dude read into this invisible writing from shit. He dug up saying Jesus came to the United States like to New York (1:29:32) I know let’s not fucking kid ourselves about how delusional one can make oneself when need to when need I know this please continue (1:29:40) the point is (1:29:41) the point to my rambling is that (1:29:47) Is that the the I (1:29:53) believe that the Christians (1:29:56) should protest the upload (1:30:01) functionality (1:30:03) However, I don’t think they will because (1:30:06) Their survival instinct will override their Christian belief because they don’t want to die (1:30:15) They they’re there.I want to die and go to heaven and be with Jesus, right? (1:30:20) Oh wait, I can live forever in a in a machine. Okay, I (1:30:26) That’s what I think is gonna happen (1:30:27) Well, it depends on the the level of the belief system that that person that each person has like let’s be honest (1:30:33) Well, let’s not kid ourselves. It matters how fucking Christian you are (1:30:38) Of course 80% of people who say they believe in that they’re Christian doesn’t mean that they are of course in any way devout (1:30:45) Correct, and they so they don’t I’m sorry good.Well of the 80% that identify themselves as Christian in the United States (1:30:53) What percent actually go to church every Sunday well beyond that though, it’s not even about the rituals of what (1:31:01) religion and faith bring is (1:31:02) What parts of the Bible do you believe and what parts don’t you believe true? Well, yeah, I mean that would be the most (1:31:09) That would be the best way to tell your level of Christianity (1:31:13) Do you believe that after three days a guy was dead and a rose on his own and did this thing? (1:31:19) Right like and it was the Son of God from a virgin like many people (1:31:23) I’m not and I don’t criticize people who do that’s not my that’s not my job (1:31:26) My question is how many believe that part of it because I know a lot of Christians Christ is in the fucking religion (1:31:34) Who are who Haman Hall about that just that one whether Christ? (1:31:39) Died and did all that thing, but that’s like the tenet of the fucking religion. Really? (1:31:43) Yes, that seems weird when held to the fire and I’ve done it a few times Twitter world (1:31:49) Can we get not Ronan not Ronan can we get them on the podcast (1:31:56) When held to the fire about (1:31:58) Really did Jesus get strung up die physically come back to life. Was he the child of a virgin like (1:32:06) When you really hold some a human to that fire and hold them to a logic (1:32:12) Ultimately, it’s hard to (1:32:15) Dilute yourself, right? Would you would you agree if shown you tell me again? (1:32:21) you believe that a (1:32:23) virgin gave birth to the Son of God (1:32:26) Who was strung up and then killed and then brought back to life after three days and then went up to heaven like? (1:32:32) I’m just saying like when held to that if you just said that story without it having a (1:32:36) Christian connotation to it right it meaning something to your religion.Most people would be like I don’t believe that (1:32:42) Right, I wouldn’t believe that that doesn’t seem logical (1:32:46) So I think in that respect so but you’ve got (1:32:49) You got the fucking brainwashed fuckers, and that’s why I say Catholics, right? (1:32:54) First of all brainwash out the wazoo really slow to change (1:32:57) I mean they fucking killed Galileo for thinking the earth went around the goddamn Sun. They fucking killed him. I know for it like (1:33:07) So there’s a couple ways to look at this (1:33:10) One is the thing I said like they’ll say they’ll make an excuse I think the (1:33:15) Softer Christian religions will make the God gave us that ability to do it.We’re gonna do it in addition to that (1:33:23) It’s just a copy of the human. It’s not the soul. It’s not okay souls going to have a good thing (1:33:28) I did not think of that the soul actually went to heaven.This is just a copy (1:33:32) So they almost double down on what you think that’s a good point (1:33:36) Yeah, I’m I’m not saying that’s the right point either I’m just saying like it’s a copy. It’s just a copy. Yeah (1:33:42) There’s a way I mean look we can (1:33:44) Got around it.They got a right. Yeah. Yeah, they got around (1:33:48) They can’t get on fucking slaves and whatever by (1:33:51) By Jesus making the statement that Rome does what it does and you do what you do in the Bible (1:33:57) I know there’s a there’s a verse in there says something leave the something to Rome or whatever was like to Caesar (1:34:03) Yes, yeah, and that is specifically saying it almost separates church and state from it.Yes, and it’s yes (1:34:09) You know weird way to Caesar, which is just do Caesar. Yeah, right, and I believe it’s mine (1:34:14) I don’t I don’t know but I guess I want to do some research on that (1:34:17) But I wonder if our Declaration of Independence and all that was bait the separation church and state was from that statement in the Bible (1:34:24) Was a Judeo-christian statement that literally said we must keep these two things separate or that God said or Jesus said it (1:34:32) So we must I might that might be why that isn’t I’ll do some research even though they had slaves (1:34:38) yeah, but (1:34:39) Initially Jefferson wrote shit about trying to get slaves out of that, but they couldn’t do (1:34:45) I’m not gonna say they couldn’t do it because this is where I’m gonna get myself in hot water (1:34:48) All right, let’s move along. No real quick.It’s good. No, I’m well (1:34:51) I want myself on the record sir, because this is what it’s all about. Okay, cuz I just (1:34:56) Jefferson (1:34:57) Had initial things about slavery being abolished because he obviously he loved his sleep.He loved one of the slaves he had children (1:35:04) Yeah, right one. Yeah (1:35:06) Regardless of that. He wanted to put some provisions in there, but they didn’t think they could get revolution and yeah, right (1:35:12) So they’re like, well, let’s take care of our freedom the first then we’ll take for your freedom for all.I know that sounds fucking (1:35:18) But it was white guys who fucking made it. So like what do you want fucking white guys to do? (1:35:22) They’re gonna write about their shit like they’re the initiators of the fucking rebellion (1:35:27) They’re gonna write it their way (1:35:29) Yeah, I’m not agreeing with it. I’m just gonna say that’s how historical right? (1:35:33) So that’s what I think happened there, but that was a total regardless and ill and writ and guard all that shit (1:35:40) So yeah, so the Christian would say yeah, it’s not so they could they can justify that (1:35:45) Like it’s just my men.It’s really my memories uploaded or the way to experience fake worlds like even then like (1:35:54) But what about like hacking? (1:35:57) I sure as fuck. Hope they protest bro (1:36:00) Well, I got there’s a there’s a percentage of what I don’t mean. I hope it’s millions (1:36:05) 2% no of the 2% of the really of the (1:36:11) religious population (1:36:16) But 1% of 1% is still (1:36:18) 770,000 about like how about like 48% (1:36:23) Bro, how about like 34%? (1:36:28) Like all dressed up like the Pope and shit (1:36:31) Like V for Vendetta up in there do I’d be interesting but no damn it.I know I know you want this (1:36:37) I don’t I think protests would not be on it. Honestly like (1:36:42) Christianity’s become very weird to me because it’s my opinion if you’re gonna call yourself an ex (1:36:48) That you must believe all of the tenets within that (1:36:51) All right, we’ve had that cuz if you’re not that then you don’t believe I love people are like I’m Catholic except for the gay part (1:36:58) I’m Catholic, but I’m super gay. I’m totally cool with the like.No, I’m cool. Like my I have a child (1:37:03) I have a child who’s gay? Yeah (1:37:05) Well, then you’re not Catholic bro. I’m not I don’t care what you are, but you’re not fucking Catholic, right or whatever (1:37:12) Yeah, I understand.Sorry Catholic people for fucking shitting on you (1:37:19) It’s poop sir (1:37:24) Regardless of all that (1:37:27) You’re gonna have those people so (1:37:30) They’re gonna be able to walk around tiptoe around (1:37:32) Extending life because it’s a digital experience. It’s not even your soul. That’s where I think they go with it (1:37:39) Okay, is there any more point on that? There’s gotta be one some other thing on religion in general (1:37:45) You brought up hacking.Oh, yeah. Thank you. You’re welcome (1:37:49) What about what if someone hacked your virtual world and made you a fucking did they give me bigger boobs or? (1:37:56) Give me some hair (1:37:58) What if (1:38:00) The religions took it further.Oh (1:38:03) And they made a heaven and a hell. Yeah, and you (1:38:08) Committed in some kind of writing (1:38:11) when you convert to a religion (1:38:14) when you’re baptized or (1:38:16) Watered down or whatever the fuck you are whenever you’re masturbated on the first time whenever I was (1:38:21) Masturbated on the first time. Yeah, I can’t (1:38:25) No, what the fuck I’m just saying, I don’t know what whatever (1:38:29) Whatever happens when you first do your religious shit.I don’t know which religion. I don’t know (1:38:34) That did that I was like what did that miss? (1:38:39) No, it wasn’t you it’s when they did it on you. Oh, yeah (1:38:44) When the dudes in the robes are jerking off on you, bro.That was oh, yeah (1:38:48) Okay, now I understand time you yeah when I when I received holy water. Holy semen. Yeah (1:38:55) I totally fucked that up and come on when I didn’t say it, right and using differently and then out now just lost (1:39:01) It’s all mean but yeah, I’m slow.Shut up. It’s not your fault. I miss I’m did not communicate effectively blew the money shot.I did (1:39:09) Now it’s funny what happens when you know, you’re at that point you have to sign a contract (1:39:15) It’s and you can change it on a virtual contract. No, it’d be a real physical contract real world (1:39:20) But at the end of your life, you’re weighed and measured and you get sent one of two places one of the two places and (1:39:26) You don’t have the fucking choice. It’s up to the religion (1:39:29) That and you pick the wrong one heart (1:39:32) Well, no you pick the religion and you live your life and they deem you worthy of heaven or hell.Oh and (1:39:40) They decide where you fucking go. Well, imagine that shit. I (1:39:46) Have so many Sam Kinnison jokes in my head bro, bro do it.I haven’t heard a Sam Kinnison joke in like a week (1:39:52) well, you know (1:39:54) I’ve been married. So hell be like Club Med. I (1:39:58) Get down there and oh, you’ve been married you want a job? (1:40:02) See any single people coming down the hallway like to scare the shit out of them (1:40:07) And then uh is Slayer playing hell all the time like is it hell awaits on repeat? I (1:40:13) Know it’s probably elevator music.We’d be like (1:40:17) Barry Manilow, no, it’s off-pitch elevator music. Oh (1:40:25) Cling on opera. Yes, ooh, which is already off-pitch because it’s cling on (1:40:37) Any of the words guys, I like yeah, I’m not down with that religious hell-then-hell (1:40:42) That would be weird.No, I would not sign that contract. All right, but I would be like, fuck you (1:40:46) But what if that was your way around like hey, we everyone’s got this upload thing (1:40:50) If you’re devout to your religion, you have to know if no, no, I know you don’t I’m just saying if that’s well (1:40:56) Yeah, you decide it’s still choice, bro. They don’t make you do it.You go to the church and go (1:41:01) I want to convert to X, you know (1:41:04) Baptist Christianity. Oh, you know cuz I was the first of all the five religion Buddhism (1:41:09) I wouldn’t think it would in Hinduism wouldn’t even interfere with that shit (1:41:12) I don’t think Judaism would interfere with it either (1:41:14) But I definitely know Christianity and and Muslim and Islam would definitely interfere be like well (1:41:19) We have an Islam heaven and in Islam hell. We have a Christian heaven Christian now (1:41:24) You want to be a faith? Oh, we feel like a virtual tour before you go now (1:41:29) You’re just I go to Verizon and put the goggles on and bro you would that would spit in the face of faith (1:41:36) You need to have faith, bro (1:41:38) George Michael (1:41:40) Fucking nailed that nailed it.Hey hit the nail on that the limp biscuit covers. You’ve got a gas have faith faith (1:41:49) Baby I know you’re asking me to stay now say please please please don’t go away. Bye saying giving you the blues (1:41:55) Heaven or hell bro.I think he’s directly talking about this podcast (1:42:00) Wake me up. I’m gonna do a seance with George. Was he uploaded? Oh, yeah (1:42:05) I’m gonna (1:42:07) George Michael, please (1:42:09) Fucking would you do would you be able to do like virtual Ouija? (1:42:11) Totally how fucking cool would that be like the ones you wore like on a screen? (1:42:17) Fuck (1:42:19) No, I don’t know.Where are we at? What else we got the final question? Oh my final question. Yes (1:42:30) To check mark no, no check mark. Oh, okay.Bye. Bye check mark. Have a great vacation.Bye everybody. Bye (1:42:39) so, uh (1:42:40) If this was a real thing, would you do it? I’d be sure as fuck curious (1:42:50) If I did it and didn’t like it, could I know pull the plug or are you stuck in there forever? (1:42:59) Some I was talking to somebody else about that because it’s eternal right somebody goes also somebody else goes (1:43:04) Well, like it’s eternal as long as your copies in there. Yeah, right.Let’s say but let’s say it’s eternal (1:43:08) Let’s say they there’s power forever, right? (1:43:11) Explode etc. So but what somebody says well what happens if you’re in there with your wife? (1:43:16) And after like 200 years you want a fucking killer, you know, and I was like, that’s a good fucking point (1:43:22) So what happens you go to different virtual worlds? You can’t you obviously can’t kill something (1:43:27) Well, but would you like would there be an out cause it says okay (1:43:31) Well, you could the world would be like a virtual world (1:43:34) So you would live I would think you’d live the virtual world similar how you live this (1:43:38) So you could get a divorce, right? You could get a that’s what we talked about (1:43:42) So right, but my question is different than that. Mine is I don’t like the experience get me the fuck out of this box (1:43:49) Because I think there’s a commitment level that needs to be there, right? (1:43:54) I don’t think I like suicide if you get out if you choose to upload and then you want to cease that’s like suicide and (1:44:01) Considering that suicides illegal.I’m wondering if they would (1:44:05) Transpose physical suicide rules on to like a digital world like (1:44:10) You can’t die. You are eternally stuck as (1:44:15) Your as you know your digital copy (1:44:18) Forever wherever you go. It doesn’t matter.But the point is you can’t end it if you upload (1:44:24) You cannot cease to exist (1:44:26) You will always experience well seeing I don’t like your question at all (1:44:32) But I get that it’s a shitty question (1:44:34) It’s a shitty ass but based upon the fact that on the dumb TV show, they had that little rainbow tunnel thingy (1:44:39) Yeah, and then you jump into it (1:44:40) Yes, and then you’re so I will allow your question that you can jump into the rainbow thingy where you can die. Okay? (1:44:47) Truly and I then I’d up then I’d totally be into it (1:44:49) Okay, cuz I’d want to experience it to see if it’s worth experiencing continually. See that’s the thing though (1:44:54) I it’s my opinion that you almost have to make it like yes or no a 1 or a 0 (1:45:00) You die you die, okay great, but if you upload (1:45:04) Your ass belongs to my you know, your body may be in the ground, but your ass belongs to me, right? (1:45:10) You see what I’m saying? Like yes almost cuz you’re almost signing away, right? (1:45:13) Yeah in a weird way and not the user likeness and all that shit per se but the T’s and C’s could be very long (1:45:19) Yeah, it’s like that if you commit to doing it you can’t undo it (1:45:24) That that’s where the decision would that’s where I think it matters (1:45:28) Because (1:45:30) Isn’t infinity the same as the cessation of life.Isn’t it like the same thing in my fucking cessation? (1:45:37) Well the ending. Oh, I never heard that word before cease. It’s easy the thesis to exist (1:45:42) I do know seasons death and infinity kind of the same concept like no (1:45:46) You’re the opposite here.I understand they’re they’re physically opposite but like (1:45:54) Not dying doesn’t sound like a fucking not dying sounds like living (1:45:58) It just doesn’t sound like but it doesn’t doesn’t sound like living because I know people who are living who are not living their life (1:46:05) Oh, yeah, right like (1:46:07) Are you alive or just breathing? (1:46:09) Do you get bored? Do you get whatever like right exactly? (1:46:13) It’s all that stuff. So I know that was a stupid thing. I said, but no, it’s I like it (1:46:17) No, I don’t think you did.I’m gonna argue with you about that one. I didn’t like it (1:46:23) But I’m gonna go and you can argue with yourself. So would you do it? Fuck? No (1:46:28) Never never not even to try it.No, no that you the next second that you after you experience it you can stop it (1:46:34) You know jumping a little to you know, absolutely not (1:46:38) Excellent. Is there a personal feeling on that? What’s yes. Okay, please (1:46:43) I believe that life is precious and (1:46:47) finite and (1:46:48) we part of life is death and (1:46:52) That’s what makes life (1:46:55) Important and that’s what makes life worth living and that’s what makes every moment (1:47:02) Important and I’m lucky to be here with you dude.I’ve known you for 20 whatever years and (1:47:11) this moment right here with you is important and it’s important because (1:47:16) Eventually, I’m not gonna be here anymore and (1:47:19) I’m grateful for every moment and I forget that a lot and I’m trying to remind myself of that that (1:47:26) dude life is short and (1:47:29) But it’s short now (1:47:30) Right need to be but I think that’s the point right? Oh, yes life (1:47:35) knowing that it ends will (1:47:38) should (1:47:39) Yeah should trigger you to be more purposeful with correct with the finite time correct, but people aren’t living their lives (1:47:47) Well, that’s I don’t I can do nothing about right you can only do about yours, correct? So that’s my own (1:47:53) Issue and my own way of thinking is that I have to continually remind myself that it’s important (1:47:59) to live in the moment and (1:48:02) be purposeful with that moment and be (1:48:06) Be present now, yeah, you know fuck what happened yesterday and fuck tomorrow (1:48:11) I mean, right don’t totally fuck tomorrow like a little bit. Is that what’s her name? Her name’s tomorrow. Oh, hey now (1:48:17) You know these new kids with their young weird names like (1:48:21) all that shit, so like Lindsay (1:48:29) Fuck that was too good (1:48:31) That’s it.So there’s no Twitter. That’s an inside joke (1:48:34) I hope that comes to fruition at some point, but it me too (1:48:39) So I would not because I think I (1:48:44) Don’t I don’t I mean I don’t (1:48:48) When it’s my time to go it’s my time to go and I’ve I’ve been very lucky (1:48:52) With the experience I’ve had in my life and I’ve met some amazing people yourself included and I’ve been very lucky (1:48:58) You’re more amazing, man (1:48:59) Thank you, I’ve been very lucky of the places I’ve been and the experiences I’ve had and yeah some stuff sucked (1:49:06) But so what everyone’s had stuff that sucked (1:49:08) Well, I’m no better or what this stuff that sucked doesn’t keep you you’re talking about continuing. It’s already happened (1:49:14) That’s already happened (1:49:15) and I try not to use that as a crutch, but I do sometimes and I try to get over that and (1:49:21) I just try to make the best of it and that’s part of living and not (1:49:26) Fearing death and you know what? I mean? I fear death.Well, I’m not gonna lie. Yeah, most people do (1:49:31) Well, how could you know? Yeah, this is as ascension being how they could the end of you (1:49:36) Sound peaceful in any way right now. We’re other than when you’re at the moment when you’re you and I have had those moments (1:49:44) Where we thought it’d be cool to end it (1:49:47) I’m not I’m not gonna upload nothing.Okay, so to counter that. Yes, sir. You are retired (1:49:59) I would love to be retired.Well, let’s be let’s do a hypothetical you’re retired (1:50:04) You’re 80 and you’re in a you’re just wheelchair bound. I’m out (1:50:09) But you’re not though. You’re you’re in you’re in an old folks home.You’re basically no folks home (1:50:14) You’re I understand your purpose isn’t there and you’re just basically there to die. Yeah, what if (1:50:19) That virtual world was just like that where you couldn’t impact or have meaning the way (1:50:26) but you could experience more like I (1:50:29) Never for example, I’ve never had the chance to go to Egypt (1:50:33) to see the pyramids, but imagine if there was a (1:50:38) virtual (1:50:39) identical (1:50:41) set of pyramids (1:50:43) You know tunnel every time but you could actually go in it like, you know (1:50:47) You’re not even allowed to go in this shit now (1:50:48) Yeah, you know I’m saying like you could explore things you go underwater without having to breathe (1:50:53) For example, you could actually go and see and explore all the things you couldn’t do (1:50:58) You could see the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean actually swim down there, right? (1:51:02) Cuz you you’re obviously not Jack and Rose digital (1:51:05) Just the diamond. Yeah.Well Jack Jack’s definitely there cuz I’m motherfuckers there 17 days 17 hours (1:51:14) But (1:51:15) dreams cross bro (1:51:16) Imagine that experience that you can have in that way that you couldn’t have in this world (1:51:23) Regardless of your desire to find a purposeful. Yeah. Yeah (1:51:27) How does that does that change anything for you you could totally not okay, no, all right (1:51:31) But I also I totally asked way too long of a question.It was (1:51:35) fantastic, there was no commas semicolons like just zero punctuation, but (1:51:41) You also know I mean, I believe we’ve had this conversation where I’m not gonna get I’m not gonna allow myself to get to that (1:51:49) 80 in the wheelchair. Yeah, if and when I approach that I was trying to talk more (1:51:54) Yeah, I’m not gonna do that (1:52:00) Me and the three wise men are gonna take a walk in the forest (1:52:03) Fine, I’m just taking oxy and her friend, you know it (1:52:07) Like an oxy clean oxy codone chlorox (1:52:11) Fucking mean any kind of ox (1:52:14) Fucking I’m gonna get run over by one all that fine. All the oxy I lie in a field be like oxen get the fuck away (1:52:23) You know regardless I’ll get chicken pox all that yeah, you know it all the chicken boxes (1:52:29) Yeah, so anyway, I’m not gonna be uploaded sir, but I I think it’s the the concept I find very interesting and (1:52:37) and the idea that it’s (1:52:40) That it’s a possible concept it’s fascinating (1:52:44) Striving to that end is a great human endeavor.Yeah, I just don’t think we’ll get there (1:52:50) But then again if we really don’t think we could ever get there why are we why would why waste all this these resources on it (1:52:57) now I (1:52:59) Don’t I don’t think it’s a waste (1:53:02) What if your goal right now? You’re putting X amount of resources into uploading, but you’ll never get there (1:53:09) You’ll never get to it, but you always strive and you might make little technological advances (1:53:13) But they don’t aid any other industry other than the upload industry (1:53:18) But you’ll never get there (1:53:19) Why would I want those resources to be wasted on something that you’ll never get to if the other? (1:53:26) Things you find along the way don’t assist everything else (1:53:29) That’s my that’s my question. Yeah, how do we know that? (1:53:34) AIs are not being built to figure out how to do upload (1:53:41) Yeah, it’s (1:53:41) AIs aren’t building AIs to build upload (1:53:44) You know you know I’m saying yes, and that’s not that’s a real question. I’m not being a smartass well (1:53:49) Let’s let’s use it.Let’s use a different movie (1:53:52) Virtuosity I don’t remember that that’s Russell Crowe and Denzel Washington (1:53:57) Basically they get plugged into a game (1:54:00) They create this psychopathic (1:54:04) psychopathic character, that’s the (1:54:07) Digital equivalent of all the serial the top 20 serial killer personality watch that again. That’s a fun one (1:54:13) It’s I just watched it. Yeah, I watched it because we were getting into this one (1:54:16) I thought I don’t know if I put on the list.I apologize if I didn’t (1:54:20) But basically it’s like all these bad personalities like you know Ted Ted Bundy (1:54:25) Kaczynski Dahmer into this one thing and that you know Denzel Washington plays its virtual reality game (1:54:31) But then they create a biological body to upload that personality into so now you’ve got a hacker or some kind of created (1:54:39) psychopath (1:54:41) Running the streets like you could do a reverse right. That’s kind of the AI version. Yeah versus the upload version (1:54:47) Yeah, would would you allow would you allow people on death row to be uploaded with that? (1:54:53) Would you make that illegal? (1:54:54) Would you make it you know what I mean like where where do you draw lines? (1:54:58) Yeah, it’s on that too, and you know there’s other people that are like they have rights to right (1:55:03) They’re human beings to how could you let them die? Yeah, he’s a born-again Christian (1:55:08) He got his law degree even though he killed seven people right you know there’s gonna be some stupid-ass shit, right? (1:55:15) And there is not a single fucking law.We’re still trying to figure out if global warming is happening (1:55:22) Like sir our fucking last two podcasts have been a fucking about AI (1:55:27) Laws and whatever how to fucking control it corral before it gets out of hand probably too late (1:55:32) Yeah, I was just gonna say and fucking upload laws like and they’re on they’re stuck on fossil fuels my friends (1:55:40) These are the people that we fucking elect (1:55:43) erect (1:55:46) Bitch and I (1:55:49) Just as an aside. Yeah, I was what I we talked about earlier today, but I was watching part three (1:55:55) I’m down three parts of four of the GE of Westworld know the GE thing on Netflix the (1:56:01) Documentary I don’t want to say the name of the person. I don’t give that yeah (1:56:07) Pictures of him with two standing presidents, sir (1:56:12) There are two (1:56:15) Presidents (1:56:17) Pictures with him it’s gonna be hard for me to watch dude.These are our elected fucking officials people (1:56:28) I’m gonna. Thank you. I’m gonna be happen.I’m not as a drink. I’m gonna have to drink (1:56:32) I’m gonna upload I’m gonna download. I’m just gonna blow a load.I don’t know (1:56:36) Yeah, can I download and upload my upload my down? How do we how do I do that? (1:56:41) I’m like is there is that is that dirty toes I can’t download into you. Oh dear Jesus (1:56:48) Should we go back on top is it uploading and it? (1:56:51) Should we go back and get sex bots? No. I don’t want sex box.I’ve got a I’ve got a real breathing human being (1:56:57) That is a beautiful beautiful woman, and she’s very nice to me. I’m glad to hear that (1:57:04) I’m gonna get some sex bots (1:57:05) I will I will help you buy some and I will happily contribute to the sex bot fund the Chris Peralta the Chris Peralta said (1:57:14) Chris Peralta sucks sex bot fund org is that next to boxer? (1:57:19) What is that? (1:57:21) Go fund me go fun. Yeah (1:57:23) Spot I need Kickstarter for my sex bot (1:57:29) I (1:57:30) Like to change the name to love bot for you.Okay, I feel like we all just want to be loved (1:57:34) Well, who doesn’t yeah, exactly. I just think this shit’s hilarious. It is.Hey, I like your sex bot (1:57:41) Okay, that show is so weird. It’s mine (1:57:44) Thank you shows so weird, which one real real sex better than me. Oh, I need to watch that shit Russians (1:57:50) Yeah, I got was that on the AI one was on this one.I don’t fucking know I’m confused (1:57:55) but we’re uh (1:57:57) We’re gonna wrap it up bro. Holy shit. We’re gonna fucking be dead on sir.I’m gonna go you better wrap that gavel up (1:58:03) So sir, yes, we talked about consciousness upload hit those topics that we talked about that was that list (1:58:09) There’s no I know just read them off again. There was only three bro. Never mind then it was a short list (1:58:14) Well, I would like to thank you for joining us for two episodes actually four episodes of Knocked Conscious or 23 episodes (1:58:20) Depending on how we do this.I love you. Chris loves you. We love each other (1:58:25) But thanks for listening Knocked Conscious comm everybody (1:58:29) www.Knocked Conscious.com (1:58:31) audio only podcasts (1:58:33) Starting July 2nd (1:58:35) Are you ready sir? Yes, sir.Let’s do it. Peace out (1:58:51) Just get weirder every episode (1:58:55) And you need a ukulele