Transcript for my conversation with Natalie Danelishen 12/17/2023

Speaker 1: Natalie Danelishen

Speaker 2: Mark Puls

[Speaker 2] (0:22 - 0:46)

Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Knocked Conscious. Today I had the pleasure of speaking with Natalie Danelishen. She's with Free Cities Foundation.

It was a fun conversation. Here it is. I hope you enjoy it.

Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Knocked Conscious. Today I have a special guest with us. I have Natalie Danelishen.

She's from freecities.org. Hi Natalie, how are you doing today?

[Speaker 1] (0:46 - 0:48)

Good, how are you doing today?

[Speaker 2] (0:48 - 1:08)

I'm doing great. We've never spoken before. It's so nice to meet you.

I've followed you on X lately. A lot of the groups and seeing a lot of the different ideas that are coming up out of the things that are going on around the world. So tell us a little bit about your organization.

That's why I reached out to you. You have this group called Free Cities. Tell us about that.

[Speaker 1] (1:08 - 2:16)

Well yeah, I work for the Free Cities Foundation and basically it's a foundation. What Free Cities are, they're self-governing territories within other nations. So they uphold individual rights and freedoms.

The Free Cities kind of supports these little free cities across the world. So that's one thing that the Free Cities Foundation does. We're like a support and we connect to other people and other things and make sure everybody has the support that they need to build these free cities across the world.

So that's basically what our organization does. We also have one major event for connecting every year and that's called Liberty in Our Lifetime. And I will be at the one next year.

It's going to be in Prague in 2024. So those tickets actually go on sale on Tuesday. So I'll probably, I can link to it or something on Tuesday.

But it's going to be fantastic. Last year I connected and met so many people. It was fantastic.

It was wonderful. And the event ended up in the Times as well. So it was really a good time.

But I highly recommend people come next year. If anything, come see me.

[Speaker 2] (2:17 - 2:23)

There you go. Or to enjoy Prague's beautiful lenient drug business, I guess.

[Speaker 1] (2:24 - 2:51)

Well, no. There was none of that there that I saw personally. I mean, it was just gorgeous.

The buildings were astonishing. I got to see the clock. I don't know how many people know about the Prague clock.

But that was gorgeous. And the food was just delicious. If you want really good European food, go to Prague.

I should be a travel advisor. It's interesting. You should go to Prague.

See me and the food.

[Speaker 2] (2:53 - 3:04)

Yes. Natalie and the food. There you go.

In Prague next year, 2024. They'll call it Praguely or Natalovia or something like that. Natalovakia.

[Speaker 1] (3:04 - 3:10)

I think last year was opt-in to freedom. So that was pretty cool.

[Speaker 2] (3:10 - 3:17)

Oh, there you go. Perfect. So let me ask you about that.

So in Prague, are there any free cities currently existing in there?

[Speaker 1] (3:18 - 4:14)

Not in Prague, but it's in Prospera and Morazan are two places where we have free cities. And they're better than the government outside of them. They are getting pushback from governments, but that's to be expected.

You go in and you have a contract and you have these set of rules. And in exchange, you get less taxes, more freedom, less laws. So it's a win in my opinion.

Personally, I think the United States should really start looking into this because it's like California could easily be its own free city if it wanted to. We could have secession in America and we could have these free cities popping up. Especially, we don't know what's going to happen in 2024 with Hillary and Trump.

We could have something. Netflix is saying we're going to have a civil war. What American are you?

Have you seen that ad yet for that video?

[Speaker 2] (4:15 - 4:19)

I mean, come on. Tim Pool talks about it every segment.

[Speaker 1] (4:19 - 4:24)

Five minutes. But Tim is right. I mean, that could very well happen in America.

[Speaker 2] (4:24 - 4:42)

It's not calling for it when you're observing the actions that are leading up to it. You think we're prophetic. I mean, we've talked about Alex Jones, right?

He just reinstated. He just read the stuff and then extrapolated it out. It's not that hard to do with the right information.

[Speaker 1] (4:42 - 4:42)

No.

[Speaker 2] (4:43 - 5:04)

There are geniuses in certain ideological circles that are absolute geniuses. And you look at them and they reach out with an ideological view and you sit there and you squint your head because they don't have the data that contradicts what they're thinking because they didn't receive that data. When you have limited data, you're going to come out with a limited solution.

[Speaker 1] (5:05 - 5:40)

Yeah. And I think just observing how they've led us up to this by separating us during COVID and then by pinning us against each other with Black Lives Matter and everything, and now the whites are being excluded and you're lining it up to piss off Americans. And you can't tell me this isn't on purpose.

This is like their playbook. You're watching it happen in real time. And so if Trump wins, which I think he might, because if the choice is Trump and Biden, it's going to be Trump.

[Speaker 2] (5:41 - 6:55)

If he doesn't, there's no way you can call fraud. I can't imagine. We're talking about the recent polls of 33% approval rating plus the newest one where I think Trump is up nine.

But we need to caution because remember 2016 when Hillary was winning, it was 92-8. I remember the numbers specifically. There was the caricature, remember the 92%.

And I think that all the Trump people went underground and didn't say who they were going to vote for. So it really made it look even more stronger towards Hillary. And I think that's what's happening with the other side, is that the Trump people who are very assertive, a little more passionate, I would assume, in that way, in the civil liberties way, in that let me be me kind of way, don't tread on me, Gadsden flag kind of way.

They are pushing back and now the other side is kind of cowering and not admitting who they're voting for either. So we have to very much be cautious about those polls too, because I think people start changing their own minds or telling you or sharing less, depending on how the- Well, I actually made a bet with a friend back in 2016 that Trump was going to win.

[Speaker 1] (6:56 - 7:06)

I had a gut feeling he was going to win and he was like, you're crazy. No, Hillary is going to win. And I said, I don't know.

I'm seeing all the signs in Ohio that are pointing towards Trump winning.

[Speaker 2] (7:07 - 7:08)

There's a feeling, right?

[Speaker 1] (7:08 - 7:19)

Yeah. It's a vibe. And plus too, everybody had Trump signs in the front yard.

That was kind of obvious, but Ohio is this huge state.

[Speaker 2] (7:20 - 7:37)

So we do have, we're kind of like a swing state in a sense, but- Well, I think Ohio was on the correct side of the presidential election for everyone since the 60s, I think. So it has been the way Ohio goes is the way the country goes.

[Speaker 1] (7:37 - 7:38)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (7:39 - 7:45)

In that way. So for you to see the visual signs of that and then for you to get that result, you kind of put that together yourself as well.

[Speaker 1] (7:46 - 7:55)

Yeah. So I was like, Trump's going to win. And he did.

And we had a great four years, some fantastic four years. And then his dementia patient won and now here we are.

[Speaker 2] (7:55 - 7:57)

We had a less interfering four years. How about that?

[Speaker 1] (7:58 - 8:22)

Yeah. I mean, even when Trump was leaving, people would say, oh, don't forget how he was tyrannical about COVID. Okay.

He was pretty tyrannical with COVID, but at the same time, by the time he was leaving, he was saying, hey, we need to move on. It's a virus. We got to live with it.

I remember him saying that and him taking off his mask when he got off the helicopter that one time. Do you remember that?

[Speaker 2] (8:23 - 9:16)

Yeah, yeah. Look, the thing is everyone started hard. I was actually in Vegas the day they shut it down.

I was in Belize the week right before leading up to the COVID shutdown. It was March 16th or something or 20th in 2020. And the street is empty.

I have pictures of the Las Vegas Boulevard without a car on it, sitting at Giada's and it just was empty. And you're just like, whoa, this is crazy. So you had to go hard first, but then you have to then look at the evidence, look at the data, and then like you said, change your mind.

He did reverse. Now the one criticism I will say, he does tout the vaccines and the speed of them being done under his watch, which is 100% correct. And that was an amazing feat of administrative capability, but it also was tainted by Pfizer.

So let's not kid ourselves. I mean, we understand.

[Speaker 1] (9:16 - 9:22)

Well, I'm still unvaccinated. I got COVID. I got the natural antibodies.

I'm good. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (9:22 - 10:30)

So I was diabetic. I'm diabetic, type two diabetic. And when it first hit, right in the beginning, I said, I'm with my girlfriend.

We just masked everywhere. I live in Arizona. So we're pretty, pretty civil liberty oriented.

We might be purple now, but we're still very much leave me alone kind of thing. So not much was shut down. We still did everything.

I ended up going to the doctor. They're like, get vaccinated. And I said, no, let me see what I can do first.

Let me work on my blood sugar. Let me work on my exercise. Let me work on all this stuff.

I focused. I lost 20 pounds. I'm now pre-diabetic.

I got off one medication. So it's like, I took it upon myself. I started taking vitamin D and all the other stuff, you know, the general health things.

I got COVID twice and I breezed through it and I am diabetic. So to tell me that, I mean, I understand I had a comorbidity. I didn't have all of them or I didn't have four of them, but I had one of them.

I was able to get through it without much problem because I had taken vitamin D and supplemented and really worked on my health. I've gotten it two or three times since and just been like, oh, sniffle, got it, you know, done.

[Speaker 1] (10:30 - 10:49)

I've only gotten it once. But when I did get it, my friend actually texted me and was like, you need to be taking vitamin D. You need to be taking raw zinc.

And, you know, he just texted me all the vitamins. Actually, this friend was Rob Schneider, which is kind of cool. But Rob Schneider is a friend of Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (10:50 - 10:52)

I follow him.

[Speaker 1] (10:53 - 11:14)

He's an amazing Liberty guy. He posts a lot of Mises content and freedom and Liberty. And I just love him.

He is an amazing person. And actually, everybody should go see his movie this weekend, Daddy Daughter Trip. I am watching it for my birthday.

So for some odd reason, I watch Rob Schneider videos on my birthday. It's just like tradition at this point.

[Speaker 2] (11:14 - 11:17)

Did you watch Deuce Bigelow on one of your birthdays? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

[Speaker 1] (11:17 - 11:19)

Yeah, I did. I did.

[Speaker 2] (11:19 - 11:23)

But not Deuce Two. Please, not two. Just tell me you didn't watch two on your birthday.

That would be me.

[Speaker 1] (11:26 - 12:06)

But so it was just he's a fantastic person. But I have autoimmune issues. I don't have a gallbladder.

I don't have an appendix now. I actually lost my appendix this year. I had kidney problems as a kid.

I had autoimmune issues with fighting up a respiratory infections. I've had diverticulitis. So I've had these horrible things in my life.

And I was still like, I will risk it. I will not put more into my body that my body doesn't need. I need to naturally build that immunity.

And I think that's something that we're missing in society. I mean, the building of a natural immune system. Everybody's like, here's a quick fix.

And it just messes with your body.

[Speaker 2] (12:07 - 12:25)

I remember my nieces and nephew when there was like the antibacterial stuff at the entrance of the school now. And I'm like, you're supposed to play with spit and dirt. What are you talking?

What are you doing? What are you doing? Like, if I don't play with your boogies, what are you doing as a child?

I don't understand.

[Speaker 1] (12:26 - 12:44)

I tell my kids all the time, go eat dirt, you know, go play in the mud. You'll get dirty. And well, two of them are teenagers now.

So they're kind of past that. But the youngest one, she definitely comes home muddy and filthy and dirty. So it's like, good, you're building your immune system.

But you know, my kids over the years, they really don't get sick very much.

[Speaker 2] (12:44 - 13:03)

Right. I'm from the same thing. I'm a first generation American.

Same thing. My parents were both German, met here. And it was always just throw dirt on it and get back in the game.

We were exposed. They threw it. I think we did a chicken pox party.

They threw us all together so we'd all get it at the same time. I remember doing that growing up.

[Speaker 1] (13:04 - 13:28)

Yeah. I mean, I just remember being a kid in the 80s. Oh, man, this is taking me back today.

Yeah. 86, man, I was born. So early 80s, 90s.

Yeah, I'm still kind of young. But my oldest child's about to turn 18. It's really strange.

But yeah, you know, going over those sketchy ramps as a kid and coming home with cuts.

[Speaker 2] (13:28 - 13:29)

Helmets and elbow pads.

[Speaker 1] (13:29 - 13:31)

We didn't have helmets. Right.

[Speaker 2] (13:31 - 13:46)

What are you talking about? I grew up just outside Philadelphia. We rode our bike everywhere.

Not a single helmet to be found anywhere. You always came home with like a road rash or some dirt on your knee or some skin missing and a little, you know, scrape. That's what it was.

It's kind of weird.

[Speaker 1] (13:47 - 13:49)

I don't know what happened. No seatbelts.

[Speaker 2] (13:50 - 13:58)

So I was born in 74. And we had a Pinto station wagon, which are the ones that blow up when they get hit.

[Speaker 1] (13:58 - 14:01)

I had an Oldsmobile station wagon. Yes.

[Speaker 2] (14:02 - 14:15)

So my mom tells me the story of laying us in the back on a blanket, not in a seat, not in a seatbelt, not even sitting upright. You're laying in the back in a blanket like in a Ford Pinto. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (14:16 - 14:26)

Me and my siblings are two siblings. So we would just sit in the back of the station wagon and everything would be like going backwards. I just remember that was like my childhood, like staring back.

[Speaker 2] (14:27 - 14:29)

You had the seat facing the back, right? Looking out the back.

[Speaker 1] (14:29 - 14:57)

Yep. And then we had to replace the engine once. I remember I helped my dad is actually, he was a mechanic for like 30 years.

So I helped my dad one summer replace the engine on that. So that's a fond memory, just playing with spark plugs and stuff and just being a kid and getting dirty. And it was a good life.

And I think that's something that is missing a lot from this generation. Just having fun, getting dirty, fiddling with stuff.

[Speaker 2] (14:59 - 15:08)

Yeah. It's definitely happened. So I think just briefly, we had a brief conversation before we got cut off, but you had mentioned something about you have three children and you homeschooled them all?

[Speaker 1] (15:08 - 15:13)

Yeah. I homeschool all of my kids. My son graduated actually last year when he was 16.

[Speaker 2] (15:13 - 15:13)

Congratulations. Great.

[Speaker 1] (15:14 - 15:17)

So yeah, he's already- At 16, he graduated? At 16, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (15:18 - 15:23)

So- Speaks to both his ability to learn and your ability to express and teach, huh?

[Speaker 1] (15:23 - 15:38)

Yeah. I'll give credit to him. He's a very intelligent man and he was very determined and he wanted to do it.

So he did it. I actually was homeschooled myself and I graduated at 16. So we're second generation homeschoolers.

[Speaker 2] (15:38 - 15:44)

How did that happen in your family? How did that come to be or is there a history to that with your family?

[Speaker 1] (15:45 - 16:30)

Well, my mom was very religious. I'm not so much, but she was very religious. And okay, so this is a strange story.

My gym teacher died in front of the whole class. I did go to public school from kindergarten to third, second grade. I think it was.

I was pulled out. And the gym teacher died in front of the class. All the kids wanted to pray for him, but the teachers weren't allowing it really.

And my mom got upset by that. And then I got in trouble for going to my brother's class and telling him that the gym teacher just died. And my mom was just done with all of that.

She was just ready to pull us all out after that. And she did. She pulled us all out.

[Speaker 2] (16:31 - 16:57)

I don't agree with the dogma of the religion, to be honest, of any religion in general, because I think there's a human problem to it. But I admire people with the conviction of it, if that makes sense. Do you know what I mean?

I really admire the people. Generally, the people who have those convictions are very good people at their core, and they just tend to find something to which they relate or something.

[Speaker 1] (16:59 - 17:39)

Now, I grew up very religious, but I was Episcopalian. But in my time growing up, I've watched the church become completely woke. And that's just something I don't necessarily agree with.

I felt like they were moving away from teaching the Bible to just teaching their wokeness, as Elon calls it, the woke mind virus. It's infected churches just as much as it's infected schools. So it's like we're having this issue across the board.

And it's just something I wanted to back away from. So I stopped going to church. Instead, on Sundays, my daughter and I volunteer at a horse rescue.

That's what I do. I figure out I'll take care of God's creatures.

[Speaker 2] (17:40 - 17:53)

Well, I mean, I would assume you have some kind of personal thing that you would have, right? A personal faith? I'm not trying to pin you in a corner or anything.

I'm not trying to get you.

[Speaker 1] (17:53 - 18:31)

No, I'm perfectly fine with being open about my religion. So yeah, I just, I believe in God and aliens. Keep all my bases covered.

You never know what might come. But it's just something that I think it's a personal thing. It really is.

And you have to figure out your way through what your religion is and what you feel is right and correct. And my mom doesn't necessarily agree, but whatever. We still love each other.

I love my mom very much. She just thinks I'm a heathen 90% of the time, which is probably true.

[Speaker 2] (18:32 - 18:46)

But it's because she loves you. It's out of love. I mean, it's really because she has this belief system that thinks that if you live a certain way, you're going to go a certain place.

And if she feels that for you, she's going to want that for you because she loves you.

[Speaker 1] (18:47 - 19:23)

I feel like deep down inside, if you're a good person, good things will happen to you. You will be rewarded. So it's just try to be a good, loving, caring person and take care of your fellow man and fellow people.

And good things will come. That's my general opinion on it. But I have met some super religious people who have been straight up assholes to me.

And they were horrible. They treated me rudely. And yeah, you know, they say, bless your heart to your face.

And you know, they're not meaning actually bless your heart.

[Speaker 2] (19:23 - 19:29)

Right. Like bless your heart. Like, oh, you're going to die alone and in hell and you're going to be ripped apart for life.

You're just less.

[Speaker 1] (19:29 - 19:31)

Yeah. So.

[Speaker 2] (19:32 - 19:35)

They want to pat you on the head and send you on your way. Go, go, go.

[Speaker 1] (19:36 - 19:54)

It's extreme hubris, I think, within religious sections and even some circles that I fly in. So it's just something I'm like, OK, well, I'm going to do what I'm going to do and try to be a good person and try to make people's lives better and just ignore you type thing.

[Speaker 2] (19:54 - 21:13)

That's perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's the thing. It's like interesting because I I will say that. I came from very, very conservative, so my mom was in East Germany and then they escaped, so like they came from like my grandfather was a soldier in the Nazi army.

It's like crazy shit. So they escaped. So they went from like fascism to communism, to West Germany, to America.

Like they just the they were just getting all kinds of different ideologies back and forth. And it's basically leave us alone. Right.

My my grandfather, my great grandfather used to say to my mom, politics is the same pile of shit, different flies, basically. Right. That's all it was.

Right. So when they came, they were very conservative. They wanted to Americanize us.

We got very American names and and we assimilate. We learned English. You know, we didn't we didn't corner off like we had Germany, German community club, but we didn't have that as what our that was our backup or that was our our behind the scenes stuff.

But we were still Americans. So we assimilated. Right.

Because we believed in American dream of as a whole. And I think that dream's kind of gone. So it's not like people aren't assimilating as much, you know, and we're not seeing each other face to face and they are kind of separating us a little bit.

[Speaker 1] (21:14 - 21:24)

Well, did you see how there was an article not too long ago, how some of the migrants coming into the country are like, we're going back home because the American dream's not here anymore. And I'm like, bye.

[Speaker 2] (21:25 - 21:29)

I heard a lot of people in Ecuador going back or something, something.

[Speaker 1] (21:29 - 21:39)

But I was just you know, there's too many people here. We just can't handle the influx. We can't, you know, and same with other European countries.

[Speaker 2] (21:39 - 21:48)

So I think it's a challenge for everyone. I mean, I don't understand why secure borders is such a controversial topic. I don't I just don't understand that.

[Speaker 1] (21:48 - 21:52)

Oh, among libertarians, it is definitely because they're all right.

[Speaker 2] (21:52 - 22:11)

And I'm like I said, I'm first generation, but we we continue the tenet of the of that mindset because we live that on. You know what I mean? Like we we agree with that concept that you should, you know, pursue your happiness as long as your pursuit doesn't interfere with another's all that kind of stuff, you know?

[Speaker 1] (22:12 - 22:24)

Yeah. And you just as long as you don't interfere with the property and rights of others, that's the main thing, you know, that that's the problem right now.

[Speaker 2] (22:25 - 23:04)

So well, well, with that, you know, it kind of came from like the last thing my mom saw was communism. So she just voted Republican and I voted, you know, I was pretty I was a registered Republican until I think it was after 2016. I think it was a 2018 election with Martha McSally and Kirsten Sinema.

If you remember that election, that was a dumpster fire election. But I finally stepped back and now I'm no political party. I just kind of said because there's nothing.

It's a corporate uniparty now, you know, it's it's all control opposition. It's not. I know we're not getting the independence that we need from our from our elected officials.

[Speaker 1] (23:06 - 23:16)

I mean, we're not really getting the winners, are we? I mean, we have Trump, who, you know, despite how good he is, I'm still pissed he didn't pardon Snowden, Assange or pardon Ross.

[Speaker 2] (23:16 - 23:19)

I don't understand that. I don't understand that one.

[Speaker 1] (23:20 - 24:04)

So so that that that still takes me off. And then we have Trump is like a dementia patient and he's like up in his 80s and Trump is getting there. I'm sorry, Biden.

But, you know, Trump is getting up there, too. You know, it's like you can't even tell apart anymore. But it's just that they're all getting old.

Why do we have such old people? I mean, what what is the age where you become a president? Thirty five.

Where are the young thirty five somethings, you know, who want to run our country? They're not there. So what's going on?

I mean, if you look at RFK, he he's fit and he looks like he could do a great job, but there's still some things about him.

[Speaker 2] (24:04 - 24:22)

I don't 100 percent like he recently lost all the credibility he gained. I mean, he did he did a great job on Rogan. But since then, the other side of his mouth is opened and everything else has come out.

So he's kind of lost a lot of that credibility that he really had a lot banked. If he would have just shut up about certain things, I think he would do very well.

[Speaker 1] (24:23 - 24:25)

I agree with that, actually.

[Speaker 2] (24:25 - 24:47)

But I like that he's a fighter. Once again, I don't care if I agree with you or not. I do admire that your heart's in it.

Now, I do need you to be honest. You know, there still needs to be some kind of intellectual honesty. You have to be an honest actor, right?

Come from like, I actually truly believe this. It's not for profit. It's not to manipulate.

It's not for control. It's for I actually believe these things, you know?

[Speaker 1] (24:47 - 24:52)

Yeah. Now, Michael Recktenwald, he's running on the Libertarian ticket and he's fantastic.

[Speaker 2] (24:52 - 24:53)

Yes. And I'm speaking with him tomorrow.

[Speaker 1] (24:54 - 24:56)

Oh, he's actually a friend of mine. Tell him I said.

[Speaker 2] (24:56 - 25:00)

Yes, that's OK. Yeah. So I had a conversation with him in the afternoon, in the evening, tomorrow evening.

[Speaker 1] (25:01 - 25:04)

Yeah, he's a sweetheart. I really love him.

[Speaker 2] (25:04 - 25:04)

I would tell him to say hi.

[Speaker 1] (25:05 - 25:12)

The Libertarian ticket is kind of like, you know, what can you tell me about that?

[Speaker 2] (25:12 - 25:16)

I wanted to ask about that because Joshua Smith is the other is another one, right?

[Speaker 1] (25:16 - 25:18)

Joshua Smith. Yeah, I know him, too.

[Speaker 2] (25:18 - 25:24)

And then Nervald, Nervand or Vandervand or something.

[Speaker 1] (25:24 - 25:29)

There's a couple of them. Now, I've met four. I know four of them running.

[Speaker 2] (25:30 - 25:32)

Could you give me some thoughts on them in general?

[Speaker 1] (25:33 - 25:39)

Well, not each of them. I mean, for Josh, he's a sweetheart and he has a lot of kids.

[Speaker 2] (25:40 - 25:42)

He just had one, didn't he? Didn't he?

[Speaker 1] (25:42 - 26:04)

Yeah, he just had another baby. I'm trying to think of everybody that's running. I have to look at their pictures.

It's weird. Michael Recktenwald, though, he's highly intelligent. He's an Austrian background.

But I mean, the whole it's kind of giving me the same feelings as Biden and Trump. I mean, the Libertarian ticket.

[Speaker 2] (26:04 - 26:20)

Well, Dr. Dr. Recktenwald has a challenge in his he is not a politician. He's not he doesn't have the personality of the politician the way you would need a little bit more of the conversationalist. He's highly intelligent, highly intelligent.

[Speaker 1] (26:21 - 26:27)

And I think he's a great conversationalist, personally, because I talk to him all the time. Right.

[Speaker 2] (26:27 - 26:36)

And I but I also think that's from kind of you're similar in that way. But I'm talking about that politician thing that, you know, those people have, like, I actually have Trump has it. You know what I mean?

[Speaker 1] (26:36 - 26:47)

Trump has it. He has that, you know, a few type personality. I actually have one of Michael's books right under my laptop here that I'm holding.

[Speaker 2] (26:47 - 26:48)

Oh, perfect. Which which book is it?

[Speaker 1] (26:49 - 26:49)

The Great Reset.

[Speaker 2] (26:50 - 26:51)

The Great Reset.

[Speaker 1] (26:51 - 27:34)

Yeah. So, I mean, he's a highly intelligent man. But, you know, we need fighters at this point because what's coming in America?

I mean, you're seeing the economy crash in real time. That's what we're having right now. They're even admitting we're like in a recession.

So whoever comes into office in 2024, they're going to have to deal with that. They're going to have to deal with, you know, the shit that the Dems have done the last three years, which, you know, is try to separate us. And then you have the Ukraine, Russia thing coming on.

And then after that, you have the thing in Israel. So it's like we have it's a clusterfuck. That's what we're dealing with.

[Speaker 2] (27:35 - 28:32)

Yeah. And that's the challenge is like how far what are the forces pushing all those things? And will a single one, two people be able to thwart even just in one election?

Stave off enough. You know what I mean? Because I think what I what I saw in Trump was I think he went in a little naive, just not understanding how it worked.

So when he had those initial players, they weren't the best players. Right. And he kind of wised up a little bit.

I think once again, I think. Right. I think one of the things that Trump has an advantage of is he learns from his previous actions.

So I don't think you'd make the same naivete errors that he would. But I don't know what a some say a libertarian, single libertarian individual walking into that administration or into that government is going to do. I don't know if he could do a Malay type thing.

And who what are the consequences of something like that? Just shredding all those types of things with just out of the blue, you know?

[Speaker 1] (28:34 - 28:41)

Well, it's going to save a lot of money for their country, one. But two, that means a lot of unemployed people. So that's right.

[Speaker 2] (28:41 - 29:22)

That's the question that no one really seems to talk about. It's like, where are they? Look, I believe the three letter agencies absolutely need to be phased out.

But phase out is much different than the wrecking ball, because a wrecking ball will cause like 80 percent of those jobs are administrative by people who really might not be able to do other jobs that much. Right. They're kind of paper pushers, kind of almost like government jobs.

Those employee jobs are just kind of like next click, click. Right. Where are those going to go?

Do we just put them right on? Well, like, does it go right to a middle welfare while we find a new industry? I mean, it's we have to no one.

Everybody talks about like what we're going to do next. We don't talk about what we're going to do, like three steps from what we did next. You know what I mean?

[Speaker 1] (29:22 - 29:53)

Yeah. So I play chess a lot. So I see those four moves ahead.

So it's like we're 0 1 on Twitter. Yeah. Yeah.

Just 0 1. So it's like where we're going to do with all those people losing those jobs if we do that. So that there has to be a good plan in place.

And, you know, I think they're doing OK right now with me. And we could do that in the United States. I mean, look at when the government shuts down because we don't have enough funding.

Do you notice any big difference?

[Speaker 2] (29:54 - 29:58)

Not from not certainly not on an individual level, not in that way.

[Speaker 1] (29:58 - 30:06)

There's a lot of jobs in government that we don't need. Absolutely. I have a sector come in and start taking over our economy.

[Speaker 2] (30:07 - 30:25)

In my opinion, I I agree 100 percent. We do have too much. And it certainly should be this.

It should always work from the smallest government out to work from the most local out. We have absolutely too much in place. The thing is, it is in place.

Undoing it is a much different statement than not starting it. Right.

[Speaker 1] (30:26 - 30:26)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (30:26 - 30:43)

So we have to start slowly undoing it, undoing those spaghetti wires of, you know, cords and not hopefully, you know, maybe do one one three letter at a time and then slowly fold it in over a decade, two decades. You know, but the problem is with four year, eight year terms that gets signed out.

[Speaker 1] (30:43 - 31:28)

You have to do it. You have to do it in the short term. But, you know, hopefully personally, I think Argentina right now is ground zero for libertarian ideas.

So I really hope they do well. And then absolutely telling that in other countries that that's that's my goal, my like my ideal, you know, with Argentina, it's like we can make this work. But you have to really start by, you know, making sure these ideas that we all promote here in the United States succeed.

So so I'm over here praying for that actually works out, you know, not just for, you know, the libertarian ideas, but for the Argentine people. You know, they need that.

[Speaker 2] (31:28 - 31:34)

Absolutely. Well, we we just need people to survive and get to tomorrow. Right.

I mean, more than anything.

[Speaker 1] (31:34 - 31:37)

So we need people to prosper. We need prosperity again.

[Speaker 2] (31:38 - 31:38)

Prosperity.

[Speaker 1] (31:39 - 31:48)

That's so many people, myself included, I'm living paycheck to paycheck, barely making it with three children. So it's hard. Inflation.

[Speaker 2] (31:48 - 31:49)

I can only imagine.

[Speaker 1] (31:49 - 31:57)

Killed my budget. I was actually I resigned from one job this year. I was let go from another and I lost my appendix.

So it's been a tough year for me.

[Speaker 2] (31:58 - 31:58)

Oh, my gosh.

[Speaker 1] (31:59 - 32:00)

I've been OK.

[Speaker 2] (32:01 - 32:09)

You know, it sounds like you have a good community support, though. You have a lot of group of close people that, you know, I have good friends, really good friends.

[Speaker 1] (32:09 - 32:25)

And my mom has helped by watching the kids and stuff when I need it. So it's been helpful. But at the same time, I have that community and that support.

What's happening to the people who don't. And that's so.

[Speaker 2] (32:25 - 32:37)

Right. And it's kind of be nice if we were all one big community. But it is hard to do that.

I mean, you have to start small and work your way outward. You can't start large work your way down. Trickle down community doesn't work.

[Speaker 1] (32:38 - 33:04)

Yeah, that's very true. I think Elon's kind of pulling a lot of people together on that. That's one great thing about that platform.

He is kind of bringing in all the people who support free speech and agree with it so that that's actually been refreshing to see, you know, just free speech being pushed and talked about on the platform, mega platform. You know, you go on Facebook and you don't have that.

[Speaker 2] (33:04 - 33:06)

You know, not at all.

[Speaker 1] (33:06 - 33:47)

No, you get you get banned for saying two plus two equals five. I can't tell you how many bands I've had on Facebook. I had since Elon took over, I had one ban on Twitter X.

And that was because the old algorithm automatically dinged people. So I was talking about Zelinsky and I got banned. And then I think it was Alex or somebody was talking about how all of these accounts got an insta ban.

And I was one of them. And Elon replied to it. He was like, what accounts got a ban?

And then he unbanned us in like five minutes.

[Speaker 2] (33:47 - 33:48)

Oh, very cool.

[Speaker 1] (33:48 - 33:54)

Elon fixed me being banned, which was very cool. And it's like, OK, I'm I'm like he had a hand in it.

[Speaker 2] (33:54 - 33:56)

Like a direct hand in it.

[Speaker 1] (33:56 - 34:09)

That's a direct hand. Yeah. So actually, you've had some engagement since, right?

Yeah. Elon's talked to me. I don't know.

I've lost count. It's probably been about seven or eight times, maybe 10. It's getting up there.

But it's very cool.

[Speaker 2] (34:10 - 34:13)

He's a very current Twitter jail and I can't figure it out.

[Speaker 1] (34:13 - 34:15)

So why are you in Twitter jail?

[Speaker 2] (34:16 - 36:10)

I honestly do not know. If you go through my feed, other than saying Nikki Haley should never be president, that's probably the only thing I've really said that was about incendiary. But so I had Scott Horton on in October and Nikki Haley came up and I use that clip always that I just can't with this woman.

I just can't. And well, this is what happened. So I have recently started doing this.

I've been blessed. First of all, Scott was is gifting me with his time. You're gifting me with time.

Dr. Recktenwald is going on tomorrow. All I had to do is simply you want to talk community. I all I had to do was ask, excuse me, do you have an extra hour?

And some people are like, no, I don't. I'm like, cool. And many are like, sure, let's chat.

Right. And then an hour turns into two and who knows what happens out of that. Right.

So, for example, Connor Freeman, who's with Scott, he lives in where I live. So I reached out to Connor through that. So now I'm hoping to meet with Connor.

So it's like once again, it's becoming this organic growth kind of thing. Right. So I get on Twitter and in one week I start engaging a little bit more because I'm starting to build the conversations more.

And I gained 70 followers in one week. I hit 500 followers and I literally not I didn't get a single like retweet repost ad friend for an entire week. And I went from like, I don't have the impressions you do.

Please understand I'm a nobody. But I went from 60000 impressions to 6000 in a week and then went back up to 70 or 80000. And now I'm now 1000 impressions and I would disappeared again.

And I don't I do not know what I did. I asked multiple times. They say they can't tell me, but I can't imagine other than other individual people trying to do something concerted.

I can't imagine. But why would I not exist anywhere? And I just upgraded to premium and then premium plus.

So I actually did pay into it now.

[Speaker 1] (36:10 - 36:27)

Well, I think one of the biggest things is getting that those retweets from bigger accounts. That's really what pushes you up. Correct.

And so so you should get a little help this week for me. I'm not complaining.

[Speaker 2] (36:27 - 36:45)

I really think it's an algorithm thing. And honestly, I think it's it's totally fine. I'm just trying to figure it out because I know there is a trick to it.

Right. There's a there's a start. You had to figure that out.

And I thought when it was working initially, I thought I had figured it out and I kept doing that. Now it's not working. So now I got to figure out the new thing.

Yeah. Well, thank you for helping.

[Speaker 1] (36:46 - 36:52)

Yeah. I keep it mostly like memes, videos, short, simple, you know, use a kiss principle.

[Speaker 2] (36:53 - 36:57)

Keep it simple, stupid repost with a quick a little quip or something. Right. Nothing.

[Speaker 1] (36:57 - 37:08)

Yeah. And that's that's about that. You know, I will say my average for a week is about three million impressions.

[Speaker 2] (37:09 - 37:11)

That would explain why. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (37:11 - 37:11)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (37:11 - 37:35)

If you looked at my analytics that I screenshot, it just looks weird. And I posted them. I'm just like, I just don't understand.

I'm not mad. I just don't understand. But thank you.

So the chess chick that that always that boggled me about you, because I would a lot of people use her name when they're in this type of influencer. Where did the chess chick name come from? Were you a professional?

Tell me the story about the chess.

[Speaker 1] (37:35 - 38:06)

I did play some professional. I was the president of the chess team in college later, not at 16. So, you know, I've been playing chess since I was a little girl and I'm not that great.

I basically do it for fun. But, you know, when I joined Twitter in I think it was 2009, I'll have to look. But I've been on, you know, Twitter X for ages now.

So I have an old account and I was April 2009.

[Speaker 2] (38:06 - 38:07)

So, yeah.

[Speaker 1] (38:07 - 39:21)

So when I signed up, I was just like, I'll just do this chess chick, you know, whatever. And it's yeah, it's turned into actually my handle for the last 10 years. And I actually this is going to sound crazy, but I really didn't have a following until three years ago.

Now, three years ago was when COVID started. And I was probably in libertarian circles, one of the first pushback. I'm not saying I'm the first, I'm just saying I was one of the first.

And I have tweets from like January, February already saying, hey, this is bullshit. They're going to try something. And from March on, yeah, I got tons of, you know, people didn't really side with me at first.

But after about July, that was when I started to get a huge uptick from my speaking out about it. And I'm like, this is bullshit. These lockdowns are bullshit.

The mask is bullshit. Even the vaccines are bullshit. So I got a lot of hate.

I was called a Nazi. I got my favorite nickname from that, which is Arian Barbie. That was my favorite.

[Speaker 2] (39:21 - 39:22)

Oh, I like it.

[Speaker 1] (39:23 - 39:24)

Yeah, I was like, this is the best.

[Speaker 2] (39:24 - 39:26)

Does it come with the armband and everything? Does it come?

[Speaker 1] (39:26 - 39:30)

You know, it didn't. I was hoping for a pink one, you know.

[Speaker 2] (39:31 - 39:34)

A bedazzled little sparkly sequins.

[Speaker 1] (39:34 - 39:41)

Litters. But no. So that was my favorite insult.

And I actually ran with it. So now some of my followers.

[Speaker 2] (39:41 - 39:42)

That's a fun one, actually.

[Speaker 1] (39:42 - 40:26)

So some of my followers will call me Arian Barbie. So you might see that. No, not Nazi.

That's crazy. But yeah. And then I started losing friends.

And that hurt a lot. And I probably the worst thing out of it all was my grandma was in a nursing home at the time. And she was dying of cancer.

Not COVID. Cancer. And they would not let us see her.

And then she was getting sicker and sicker and sicker. And then finally, they sent her to the emergency room because she hadn't eaten in four days. But they told us on that fourth day.

So she was already not taking in liquids.

[Speaker 2] (40:26 - 40:27)

Initiated.

[Speaker 1] (40:27 - 40:43)

Yeah. So by the time we got to her, she was already knocking on death's door. And they still wouldn't let us see her.

So me and my mom transferred her to a. It's not a respite, but it's hospice hospice. Thank you.

[Speaker 2] (40:43 - 40:50)

No, I totally get it. It's always so funny when I have like 8000 of these conversations. It's like that words right on the tip of my tongue.

[Speaker 1] (40:50 - 41:22)

Yeah, but no. So we transferred her to hospice and we were able to be with her for the last three days. But after a year, I only spending the last three days with my grandma.

I will never forgive them for that. They can go fuck themselves if they even try this shit again. No, fuck you.

You know, I'm not going to take it. I know there's millions of people out there who are not going to take it again either. So they kind of shot themselves in the foot being so tyrannical so quick.

And they really did. And you know what? They did win in a sense because we have less freedoms now.

So.

[Speaker 2] (41:23 - 41:26)

And NDAA just got extended, right? Or whatever.

[Speaker 1] (41:26 - 41:26)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (41:27 - 41:27)

Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (41:28 - 41:30)

Thomas tried to stop that. I saw that.

[Speaker 2] (41:30 - 42:15)

I know. I know. But it's like he tried.

I admire the man. But you knew there was a workaround. He knew that they were going to circumvent it the second he voted no.

And I don't that's not to say he shouldn't vote. No, I'm not saying anything about that. But like, let's be honest, I'm a soldier, right?

I know that the fight is lost because even with my if I vote, yes, it goes through. If I vote no, they just circumvent. At least I got to look like I'm going to vote no.

And I'm not saying he didn't agree with. Of course, Thomas Massey, Rep. Massey seems like the most.

Once again, you want to talk honest actor. I can work with an honest actor. Someone just needs to be who they are.

And I can work with them because that's where compromise comes in. But you can't work with the dishonest actors who are really lying. Right.

And there are some people who do vote a certain way, knowing it's still going to go a certain way.

[Speaker 1] (42:16 - 42:16)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (42:17 - 42:50)

Let's say let's look at the U.N., for example. What was the thing about the ceasefire? Everyone voted.

U.S. voted no. And the U.K. did what? They didn't vote yes.

They voted abstain. So they didn't take the heat for voting no, but they didn't exactly vote yes either. So when the vote looks back, they can say we didn't vote yes to stop the ceasefire, you know, whatever.

We didn't vote no. We voted abstain. And, you know, it's that whole illusion of the how we move forward to vote on their record, I guess, in a way.

Now, I do absolutely like Rhett Massey.

[Speaker 1] (42:51 - 42:53)

Oh, yeah. He's a sweetheart.

[Speaker 2] (42:54 - 42:55)

And he follows me.

[Speaker 1] (42:55 - 43:01)

So I'm like, yeah, yeah, he follows me, too. I have his Christmas card behind me. I actually just showed it.

[Speaker 2] (43:02 - 43:04)

Yeah. Let's go through these. Let's go through these.

[Speaker 1] (43:04 - 43:09)

I actually showed this in another episode I just did this week.

[Speaker 2] (43:10 - 43:15)

Well, I'm hurt. Oh, very cool. I'm going to be posting that.

I'm going to screenshot that and post that.

[Speaker 1] (43:16 - 43:20)

That's his actual Christmas card. It wasn't the guns. They were holding banjos.

OK.

[Speaker 2] (43:20 - 43:24)

Oh, that's beautiful. Oh, did they did they redo it with guns or something?

[Speaker 1] (43:25 - 43:28)

Yeah. It got all over the Internet. I'll show you.

[Speaker 2] (43:28 - 43:29)

I was going to kill us all.

[Speaker 1] (43:29 - 43:55)

This was Carol and Ron Paul's Christmas card. It was beautiful. There's this year as well.

No, that was, I think, last year or two years ago. And then here's another Ron Paul one up here. That's me with Jeff Deist.

That's Hans Hermann Hoppe, more Ron Paul stuff. And then there's a bunch of pictures going up. Some of my kids.

So I'll keep those out. But very nice.

[Speaker 2] (43:55 - 43:55)

Very nice.

[Speaker 1] (43:55 - 43:56)

So, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (43:57 - 43:57)

Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (43:57 - 44:06)

And I like I said, my wall of fame over there. Beautiful. And then on the other side, I have all my name tags from events I've attended or spoke at.

[Speaker 2] (44:06 - 44:07)

So very cool.

[Speaker 1] (44:08 - 44:21)

Yeah. So I have a weird wall. It's kind of like my it keeps me motivated.

You know, I think that's actually huge. Yeah. I mean, you need that.

It's like, OK, you're doing this now. OK, do one step better than that.

[Speaker 2] (44:22 - 44:42)

So, yeah. Yeah. And it's really interesting.

I'm still trying to figure out why I'm even doing this, but it's like I just want to get to know people. I don't know if I like knowing people, but I love meeting and getting to know people because by the end of a conversation like this, you're just like, hey, how did it seem? It's like you guys knew each other forever.

It's like, yeah, because you just talk. That's what it's about.

[Speaker 1] (44:43 - 45:23)

Well, it's funny, too, because sometimes I think I like people online, but then I don't like them in person. Or then you find out just how effing horrible they are. You know.

Yeah. So, yeah, I think what it boils down to is just back to being a good person type thing, you know, in and out in your soul and, you know, online and all that stuff. But I've been known to be heathen online.

I'm getting a little old, though, for that. I need to dial it back a bit, I think. Well, I'm starting to push 40.

I'm 37, but I'll be 37 tomorrow.

[Speaker 2] (45:24 - 46:55)

Well, like I said, it's very interesting. Yeah. Tomorrow's your birthday once again.

That's so awesome. And about that, though, you talk about the heathen thing. It's like it's like almost the libertarian comes in line with the God.

And I'm actually kind of an anti-theist. I'm very Hitchensian in my own. I'll talk with you offline because I don't want to sound like a total crazy person on this podcast.

I sounded crazy on plenty of them. So I always found the connection between God and the liberty thing, because it seems to me going back that in history, everyone believed they were deists at least. Right.

So they were just God. God was like a thing. It was like everyone just spoke of God.

It wasn't like there was an anti-theist or an atheist real movement. It was just there was the reason at one point. But most of the founders were just believers in God.

Right. It was like God gave us these rights. And I feel like we conflated those two.

And we can't I feel like liberty and God should be completely separate. I don't think that that faith should have anything to do with that personally. I also am one of those people who believe in objective truths and like that that have nothing to do with the I don't need the religion part to tell me what good and bad is, because I've experienced the contrast of good versus bad.

That's not to say that I want to argue with people's belief system. It's just I have a hard time connecting the two the way many libertarians seem to connect the two. Do you find that at all with your belief system at all?

[Speaker 1] (46:56 - 47:07)

No, not really, because it's you know, for me, it's like, well, if you believe in God, well, you should believe in these principles as well, you know, freedom, liberty, you know, you have God given rights as well.

[Speaker 2] (47:07 - 47:07)

Okay.

[Speaker 1] (47:08 - 47:19)

The pre-date government. So that's like my my theory on that. But for me, really, the reason why I fight for liberty is because my kids, I want them to know freedom.

[Speaker 2] (47:19 - 47:36)

First of all, thank you again for your time. Sorry about the technical glitches. I think it's probably me.

I tend to make things go boom. So I'm working on it. Yeah, I think I did.

I broke the internet. So well, you know, Al Gore's got to fix it. Because you know, he made it.

[Speaker 1] (47:36 - 47:45)

So anyway, but yeah, it was my kids with with for me, liberty means just fighting for my children. That's where I was going with that.

[Speaker 2] (47:45 - 48:03)

No, please. Yeah, please share is expound on that, please. And then expound that into your, your joining of free cities, because I think that is a really important thing that the free city ID, not ideology, but the concept, the idea of it is a good thing to have expressed and shared with everyone.

[Speaker 1] (48:04 - 48:43)

Well, I want my kids to know and feel liberty in their lives. That's just my personal goal in life. I kind of, I'm about to turn 37 tomorrow.

So Monday, I should say. But, you know, I know, it's kind of past the point in my life to actually have any inkling of freedom before I die. That that's where I'm at.

But you know, for my children, they still have a whole life ahead of them. And I want them to know what it's like to have a free city. Excuse me, I've had a cold this week.

So that was one reason why I did join the three cities foundation. And yeah, it's just, it was a little heartbreaking.

[Speaker 2] (48:45 - 48:54)

On that front, Mises, do they have an endorsing endorsing candidate yet? Have they completely endorsed Dr. Recktenwald or someone yet? Or are they still?

[Speaker 1] (48:55 - 49:06)

They completely stay out of politics as a C3. They stay out of politics. The same thing with the free cities foundation.

We tend to stay out of politics.

[Speaker 2] (49:06 - 49:13)

Thank you for clarifying those, those different groups and the profits because a C4 I think can be political, but they get, there's some weird.

[Speaker 1] (49:13 - 49:25)

C4 can be political, but there's, yeah, there's something weird with that. I just recommend that if you work for a foundation, you try not to be political. That's probably the best thing.

[Speaker 2] (49:26 - 49:28)

I think that's very important for sure.

[Speaker 1] (49:29 - 50:46)

Yeah. With, with the free cities foundation, you know, I believe that they're putting into action the Liberty ideas and that that's something I haven't seen many Liberty orgs do. So I definitely wanted my children to know Liberty and any place for me, that's putting all these libertarian ideas and actually trying to make them work like they are with the free cities Prospera is one of them.

So the fact that I'm seeing these ideas come to fruition and actually begin to start working, that gives me hope. And that's like where I want to invest my time. You know, it's kind of like why I'm on X.

That's where I want to invest my time because Elon wants free speech. You know, that's where I'm going to invest my money because that Elon wants free speech. So that, that was my thinking, joining the free cities foundation.

And they were really great, actually. My boss is wonderful. His name is Peter Young.

And the day that I had the interview with them was the day I lost my appendix. So imagine, imagine emailing somebody and say, Hey, I'm going into emergency surgery. I can't do the interview because I'm dying.

[Speaker 2] (50:46 - 50:48)

I apologize.

[Speaker 1] (50:49 - 50:54)

And I was like, I hope they believe me because it's a hell of an excuse. You know, like I'm dying.

[Speaker 2] (50:54 - 50:56)

How many grandmothers do you have?

[Speaker 1] (50:57 - 51:21)

Yeah. So it was very awkward. I was like, I can give you a doctor's note.

Here's my IV in my arm right now. I don't, I didn't know what else to do, but they were really sweet. And we can do the interview.

And I was like, okay, because they were trying to get someone in quickly. Um, but yeah, I did the interview and I got the job. So it was fantastic.

I've been there about seven or eight months now.

[Speaker 2] (51:22 - 51:46)

Okay. Very nice. That's great.

And I remember my first, my last job or this one that I was working my first week, I had 102 fever and I was sweating at my desk, shaking and like typing and they sent me home and I'm like, I just started working here. I cannot have a sickness take over. I think you and I are like that mindset is like, it takes death or near death to get us to keep from us from doing what we need to do.

[Speaker 1] (51:47 - 52:08)

Yeah. My friend said you have a high assault of the earth attitude. I think that's what it is.

Like you're dying, but you're still keep working type thing. You know, Peter's been a great boss in that sense because he understands that with me, I think. And he was just like, you know, take a break, go walk away.

Don't get stressed out. And that's the problem.

[Speaker 2] (52:08 - 52:16)

So you nailed it though. How did you come to even find the group to kind of intermingle or to, to reach out to?

[Speaker 1] (52:16 - 53:38)

Well, this is interesting. Um, so Jeff diced when he, a year or two years ago now, uh, when he was still working at the Mises Institute, he attended a liberty in our lifetime, but he spoke at in 2022. Um, and I helped him a bit with his slides and stuff, and I wanted to see my work up on the screen.

Um, and I applied for the online, you can get an online ticket to the event in Prague. So I applied to the online ticket in Prague and then I enjoyed it so much. I ended up not just watching Jeff's part, um, giving his presentation.

I watched the whole two days of the presentations and I, I loved what they were speaking out, what they were doing. And like, finally, they're trying to put libertarian ideas to work instead of just infighting with each other, which is why I see a lot in libertarian circles. So I, um, was like, Oh, this is fantastic.

And then when Mises let me go, my friend, Robert Arrow, who actually is already, was already working for the Free Cities Foundation, um, uh, or doing some stuff for them. He was like, Hey, they have an opening here. Why don't you apply for it?

And I was like, okay, well, um, because I know their work, I know their people. I was like, I will apply. And I did, and I got accepted.

So that was fantastic.

[Speaker 2] (53:39 - 53:41)

Very nice. So it's been eight months so far.

[Speaker 1] (53:42 - 53:45)

Yeah. About seven, eight months. I think I lost my appendix in mid.

[Speaker 2] (53:45 - 53:53)

That's like my, it's on my appendix day. It's like, it was on my birthday. You had an appendix day, you had a kidney day, you had a gallbladder day.

[Speaker 1] (53:53 - 54:07)

And well, actually it's funny because I spent my sixth birthday in the hospital when I was a kid because I had kidney failure at that time. Um, so, so yeah, so I, I've had, I'm not trying to be glib about it.

[Speaker 2] (54:08 - 54:09)

I'm just, so apologies.

[Speaker 1] (54:10 - 54:18)

No, it's fine. I've had like the roughest life ever. And it's just like, okay, you just keep moving one foot in front of the other.

[Speaker 2] (54:19 - 54:27)

I was like, struggle does make you grow for some reason. It's, it's interesting how the friction is what actually keeps us going instead of the ease of it. Right.

[Speaker 1] (54:28 - 54:40)

Yeah. It's, it's strange. It's like, even like, no matter how tough my life is, I'm just like, just keep going, keep breathing, keep working.

That's what you got to do to get your ideas out there, survive, you know?

[Speaker 2] (54:41 - 54:44)

But you have three kids too. You've got purpose. You've got meaning.

[Speaker 1] (54:46 - 55:10)

I They're good kids too. My son, he's going to be 18. My middle is going to be 16.

My youngest is going to be six. So they basically are the reason, I mean, I see so many, do you, do you notice this like in our, our age bracket that there are so many people who don't want kids? Like for me, it was the only purpose growing up.

[Speaker 2] (55:10 - 55:20)

I wanted to specifically speak with you about that actually. So please, please share everything. I'm going to, I'm going to blow your mind away in a second, but go ahead, please.

[Speaker 1] (55:20 - 56:05)

See, I have three kids. I started at 19. I started very young.

So I'm going to be 37. So for me, it was just like, this is my purpose in life to have children. I've never had an abortion.

I never bought into that feminist thing that, you know, having a job is more fulfilling than having children. No, for me, that's bullshit. And so I, but now I'm seeing all over the internet, there's the dink thing and dual income, no kids or whatever it is.

And I just think that's so ridiculous. Like there's going to be all these people in the coming generations, who's going to have nobody to take care of them and nobody to fill the jobs to take care of them. Like, do people realize this?

[Speaker 2] (56:05 - 56:10)

No, they don't. And I'm, I can speak to all of that, but yeah, it's a crazy time.

[Speaker 1] (56:11 - 56:16)

I mean, thankfully, I definitely know my kids will take care of me. That's not a problem for me.

[Speaker 2] (56:17 - 56:19)

Well, it sounds like you're taking very good care of them, so.

[Speaker 1] (56:20 - 56:20)

Oh yeah, they're so spoiled.

[Speaker 2] (56:22 - 56:28)

That's what love does, right? Love is both the spoil and the hurt, right? It's like the tough love too.

[Speaker 1] (56:28 - 56:42)

Yeah, the tough love too. They get some of that as well, but I was always one of those like peaceful parenting type moms, you know, they never got spanked. They always got hugs and kisses and they've turned out okay.

So I did something, right? I don't know.

[Speaker 2] (56:42 - 56:44)

Sounds like you did pretty well.

[Speaker 1] (56:45 - 56:56)

But yeah, so I think it's selfishness in a very real sense. All these people who are just like, oh, we're going to have a good time now. Well, who's going to take care of you when that good time's over, you know?

[Speaker 2] (56:57 - 56:58)

Yeah, so if I may.

[Speaker 1] (56:59 - 57:01)

Go ahead, I'll listen.

[Speaker 2] (57:01 - 59:21)

So I grew up with the, I wanted the two and a half kids and the white picket fence and the whole thing. Very traditional, very isolated. My brother and I, so we're a traditional family of four.

My parents are still together, 59, 60 years. Very traditional. My brother got someone pregnant at 19 and I was 16.

So that one hit me pretty hard and that set on a path, a different path for the two of us. And he has four children and at 34, I actually voluntarily got a vasectomy and I don't have any children. So I will happily admit that there is some trauma somewhere going on and it took me, when I started contemplating whether I was going to do it or not, I was 31.

So I did it, I, it wasn't like snap decision. It was, I was very lost in purpose and reflecting on it's different now than it was then. But my girlfriend and I, we're together now five years.

She teaches special ed children for second and fourth graders. And she also didn't, she wanted kids growing up too. And then something happened where she didn't and both of us are together, but we both promote children.

We both promote family because I think it allows, so this is the way I see it. I think what happened was everyone pushed family to people who didn't feel, who felt a little off. And it was a small percentage of people.

No, you've got outliers, right? Some people don't agree with you. 10%, whatever it is, just like there is, you know, there's a homosexuality as a certain percentage of the population, right?

It just is. So I consider myself an outlier. However, in order for me to exist, the general population can't think the way I do.

The general population has to still believe in, or have that belief in the family system and everything, right? So like what happened was people like myself culturally took over and said, you don't need kids. I don't believe that.

I think that family allows people like weirdos like myself to exist in the society. Does that make sense? Because it's not, I'm unstable enough, but I'm not a majority of unstable.

Is that to like destabilize the entire system? Does that make sense?

[Speaker 1] (59:21 - 59:25)

Yeah, the problem with that is now everybody's thinking like you.

[Speaker 2] (59:26 - 59:27)

Well that's the problem, it's become cultural.

[Speaker 1] (59:28 - 59:48)

Yeah, we've seen a huge drop in people having babies and that's just, you know, Elon Musk points this out a month, I'm sorry, points this out on Twitter and he keeps saying, you know, people need to have children and then the declining population and we're going to have big issues coming up and he's correct in all of that.

[Speaker 2] (59:48 - 59:53)

I'm sure you were on that spaces, right, with Alex and everybody?

[Speaker 1] (59:53 - 59:54)

I was there, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (59:55 - 1:00:38)

Okay, so I was listening as well and as soon as this, it's funny because this specific topic comes up because I know exactly where I am a challenge to the system, but I also agree with the system. I just know specifically, remember I'm an older person, I wasn't culturally pushed into that. I felt outlier-ish, does that make sense?

And then with just what happened with my experience with my personal life, that's what I then decided to do for myself. I never pushed that for anyone, if that makes sense. It was a decision for me, not a lifestyle decision, if that makes sense.

It was more of a how I see family in the world kind of thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:39 - 1:00:55)

Well, as long as you're not being a negative on society, I think it's okay, but at the same time, you know, eventually when you get older, you're going to need help. Correct. And when you have family, you have that backbone, there's still time to adopt, is what I'm telling you.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:56 - 1:01:43)

Oh yeah, yeah, well that's true and that's the thing, I've talked with my girlfriend about it, but my girlfriend and I are on the same page. Once again, we absolutely contribute. I mean, she works with special needs children, you know, she helps with children with communication delay and things, and she's such a beautiful person, I am the most blessed person to find her in my life, you know, it's just a beautiful thing.

But it is specifically for me, the children I made, I actually put an end to that for me. Like, obviously I know I can do it IVF too, by the way, you know, there's a lot of different ways we could do it, but like I said, it was always, it's like one of those things that now has been not an obstacle for me in the libertarian thing, because I am on the side of family. I believe in family, family creates stability, family is legacy, family is the continuation.

[Speaker 1] (1:01:44 - 1:02:07)

Family is the first line of defense against the state, and that's what people really don't understand. And we need to be having big families, we need to be having strong families, we need families who have money and can push back and say, you know, like Elon Musk is doing, fuck you, you know, we need those natural elites pushing back saying, fuck you against the state with their, you know, 10 baby army behind them. That's what we need.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:08 - 1:02:22)

Right. And some of the problems, urbanization, though, you know, like the point of having 20 kids, you worked on the farm, you had labor, you had, you know, accidents happened to back then, you know what I mean? There's a lot of interesting dynamics to that.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:22 - 1:02:24)

I would take people having one or two kids at this point.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:24 - 1:02:35)

Oh, yeah. Well, we would say 2.1 is the standard, right? So if you get if you can get a two and a three, every you just get a two and a three, every other family, you're good, basically.

[Speaker 1] (1:02:36 - 1:02:39)

Yeah, but I mean, we're not seeing that we're basically so no.

[Speaker 2] (1:02:40 - 1:03:14)

And to your point, the dink thing, sitting there parading like, oh, don't have kids because I'm amazing. Look how free my life. It's not how how I perceive what I did with my choice on it, if that makes sense.

It's not from that lifestyle perspective where that's obviously selfish, too. But I'd have to talk to you offline probably about it. But but basically, there are some things that that just I, you know, made me decide that.

But what was interesting was there was a woman who tried to trap me a year after I had that procedure. And that was a fun story.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:15 - 1:03:17)

That's that's weird. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:17 - 1:03:20)

That's what I find weird. So, yeah, that was an interesting one.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:20 - 1:03:27)

But women, women that try to do that are very wrong. Well, it's a good word for it.

[Speaker 2] (1:03:28 - 1:03:40)

Right. It's not just women and men. It's like individuals do bad things.

There can be bad individuals. Has nothing to do with whether it's a woman or a man. Right.

Kind of thing. You know, we all do it in different ways. So we just need to be good.

[Speaker 1] (1:03:41 - 1:04:02)

Yeah. And that goes back to my thing. Just try to be a good person.

That that's just it. Try not to cause too many problems in society. And well, I guess I couldn't say that because, you know, I'm the person who's protesting against, you know, I want to abolish the Fed and stuff so that that's a lot of problems that would cause in society.

But those are problems that we need to cause, you know, for a better future for our children.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:03 - 1:04:04)

Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:04 - 1:04:04)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:04:04 - 1:04:06)

So tell me about that. So tell me about the Fed.

[Speaker 1] (1:04:07 - 1:05:00)

Oh, yeah. I mean, the Federal Reserve, they're causing massive inflation right now. And, you know, when there's too much money chasing too few goods, we get inflation.

And that's what the Fed causes. Not many people understand. They might understand it better this year, I actually think.

I think there's a better understanding of what the Fed does and how evil it is. I think we're slowly getting that out there, but people really don't understand just how horrible it is. Now, Malini, he's, you know, a lot of people say the only thing with Malini is, you know, he's ending the central bank and then he's coming over to the dollar.

And that's just trading one central bank for another. But, you know, in a very real sense, the dollar's the least dirty shirt in the laundry, which I hate saying that. That's the truth.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:00 - 1:05:31)

Well, it is because, I mean, do you want you want them to stay with BRICS? Because BRICS is building. I mean, BRICS is growing.

And with the Indian use of oil from Russia and with Russia's not hurting the way America said they were going to hurt with these sanctions, they're stronger than ever. They built they're starting to build internally now. It's kind of a dangerous thing.

And at least stepping away from BRICS helps in that, to your point, kind of staving off the flood. But to your deeper point, you need to fix the whole problem.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:31 - 1:05:49)

Well, the flood's coming no matter if we do anything or not. I mean, hurt a lot now or hurt a lot later than for generations to come. That's where we're at.

I don't know. It's a hot mess right now. Peter St. Orange is actually one of my favorite followers on Twitter.

[Speaker 2] (1:05:49 - 1:05:53)

I started tweeting and responding to some of his stuff recently.

[Speaker 1] (1:05:53 - 1:06:19)

Yeah. Besides his awesome T-shirts, which I love, he gives you a rundown of Buffett like every day. So I highly recommend people go and watch his videos and you'll have an understanding of the shitstorm that's about to come because there's a shitstorm coming.

But he is super, super good at just putting those pieces together and explaining it in layman's terms and making you understand it. So I highly recommend people go follow him.

[Speaker 2] (1:06:20 - 1:06:26)

So I know the shitstorm's coming and I'm completely, wholly unprepared. What good is knowing without being prepared for it?

[Speaker 1] (1:06:27 - 1:06:59)

I mean, I have some silver. I have bullets. I have canned food.

I know how to grow. I know how to hunt. My kids know how to hunt.

They know how to fish. You know, my kids, if you drop them in the forest now, they will survive. That's just how I raised them growing up.

Totally. Because even when they were little, I saw that this was all building up to something major. And we saw it advance really quickly last year when they printed off, what, $6 trillion for COVID relief?

Or that was 2005?

[Speaker 2] (1:06:59 - 1:07:06)

I think it was in the last four or five years they printed more than the total up to that point or something? There was some ridiculous something.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:07 - 1:07:09)

Well, that's a little strange.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:09 - 1:07:09)

Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:09 - 1:07:25)

Can you maybe- I think Robert Arrow actually has a good article on this on UCS.org. And he talks about it. It's not like 30% or something.

It's a lower number than what they were reporting.

[Speaker 2] (1:07:25 - 1:07:27)

Oh, okay. Yeah. It was one of those shock numbers.

[Speaker 1] (1:07:28 - 1:08:04)

Yeah. One of those shock things. But it is astounding how much they've printed in the last couple of years.

It's like more than my whole life now. Just the last few years. But if you look, Ron Paul had a really great quote once.

He said, it's no coincidence that a century of central banking coincided with a century of total war. And this is what we're seeing. And whenever we're in war, it just gives them a more of an excuse to print money.

And that's why- My favorite picture of the week. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:04 - 1:08:10)

My favorite picture of the week was Zelinsky standing with all the Raytheon and the Lockheed.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:10 - 1:08:10)

Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:11 - 1:08:23)

Hi, everybody. This is our family yearbook. This is our family reunion.

What a beautiful, warm, just ball of death that everybody just wants to throw at each other. Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:08:23 - 1:08:27)

War is the health of the state. That's really what we're at with that.

[Speaker 2] (1:08:27 - 1:09:14)

Oh, yeah. It's a shame because it's like, I remember the Zelinsky thing and I call my mother, my mom. Like I said, we're center-right for sure.

My parents are a little more conservative because they're just anti-communist because they dealt with it. You know what I mean? Like, they left it.

They literally escaped it. So they're anti-communist, if not more just pro-capitalist, right? As much as anything.

So they were fighting this the whole time. And we're watching this, I call my mom and I'm like, Zelinsky's going to become Noriega. They're going to prop him up.

They're going to make him like this king. And then it's going to, shit's going to hit the fan. And then he's going to run away.

And now he's looking at property in Florida from what I hear. And I feel like he's going to have some beautiful, pretty fun property.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:14 - 1:09:19)

I saw that property in Florida thing. I don't know how much I can actually trust it.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:19 - 1:09:22)

Oh, okay. What is it about? Can you dissect that a little bit, maybe?

[Speaker 1] (1:09:22 - 1:09:27)

Oh, I can't really dissect it. I mean, from what I've seen, it's just like a bullshit rumor.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:28 - 1:09:28)

Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:28 - 1:09:33)

That he's looking at the property in Florida. Yeah. So that's what I got out of that.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:34 - 1:09:37)

And outside of that, the other stuff is legit.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:37 - 1:09:51)

The rest of that's legit. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just funneling money in and out. That's really what it boils down to. It's a scheme.

It's a racket. War's a racket.

[Speaker 2] (1:09:51 - 1:09:52)

It's a spedley.

[Speaker 1] (1:09:52 - 1:10:02)

Yep. It's a spedley. And war's the health of the state as well.

So they need these wars to keep themselves relevant and spending.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:03 - 1:10:07)

So you end up going to a free city. Have you visited any of these free cities?

[Speaker 1] (1:10:08 - 1:10:30)

I have not. I'm hoping to visit a couple next year, or at least one of them. I don't know if that's in the cards yet, but we'll see.

I'm definitely going back to Prague next year. I know that for a fact. So that's one thing I do want to do this year, next year.

But yeah, it's just, I'm kind of easing into it a little bit more and more every day.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:31 - 1:10:34)

Do you have Freedom Fest on the docket for next year as well?

[Speaker 1] (1:10:35 - 1:10:39)

No, I do not. I might. You never know.

[Speaker 2] (1:10:39 - 1:11:09)

All right. I don't have the Freedom Fest ticket. It's very interesting.

Two years ago, I was in Vegas at the Mirage and my girlfriend and I just go maybe five times to Vegas. We drive up and we just spend a weekend, nothing crazy. And we're sitting there and it turns out Freedom Fest was going on.

Met a whole bunch of unique people there. So I already have just a hotel room at like 10 bucks a night in Paris, a little bit further down the strip. But hey, I just locked it in.

It's like, at least I'll be there. So hoping to get the energy off it.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:10 - 1:11:18)

Yeah. I always tell people I'm happy to come to events. You just got to pay my way.

That's what I always tell them. I have three kids. I mean, we're struggling.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:19 - 1:11:22)

So the pain, the pain does, the pain's the trouble, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:11:22 - 1:11:46)

Yeah. My son's working full time. So that helps a little bit.

He's a good kid. Um, so he, he can now like pay for his own little things if he wants them, which helps. So, but yeah, other than that, it's like, if people want me at events, I will be happy to come and speak or talk or meet or mingle.

Just pay for my plane ticket and my hotel. Okay.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:47 - 1:11:49)

We'll make that a disclaimer. Pay my way.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:49 - 1:11:56)

Pay my way. Um, so yeah, no, um, I have attended some great events over the years. It's been fun.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:57 - 1:11:57)

Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:11:57 - 1:11:57)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:11:58 - 1:12:05)

So we've got the whole wall of fame over here on this side with all the places you, did you get a shot of the, all the events with the tags or are they further off screen?

[Speaker 1] (1:12:06 - 1:12:08)

Oh, they're further off screen.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:08 - 1:12:20)

That's okay. We don't have that. Oh, there they go.

Okay. There they are. Okay, great.

So what's one of your most memorable moments from some of these conventions or events that you've attended recently? Maybe this year that you've been to.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:21 - 1:12:26)

Oh, it was definitely Prague. I was up on a stage speaking, um, my favorite part.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:26 - 1:12:27)

You had a speech to prepare?

[Speaker 1] (1:12:28 - 1:12:37)

Yeah, I was, I was, I, I hosted a panel, but my favorite thing about the panel was that I got to speak some German. So, um, not only was it Can you speak German?

[Speaker 2] (1:12:38 - 1:12:40)

Can you speak German well or not so well?

[Speaker 1] (1:12:40 - 1:12:41)

Yeah, just a little.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:42 - 1:12:47)

Oh, just a little. Yeah. Just a little, but you have German in there.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:49 - 1:12:53)

I'm trying to bring back all I've learned from Ramstein over the years. Hold on.

[Speaker 2] (1:12:54 - 1:12:57)

Very nice. My buddy loves Ramstein. He goes to all his concerts, all their concerts.

[Speaker 1] (1:12:58 - 1:13:08)

Um, so, so I, I basically just said burger ganache and shaft middle Saxton. That was like the one thing I had to learn and do host and oh, guten tag.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:08 - 1:13:12)

So, so, um, at least you got to use it, right. That's always good.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:12 - 1:13:42)

I got to use it. So, um, that was fun. Um, but, uh, yeah, I'll probably going definitely going back next year.

So I want to do it again. But yeah, speaking was a lot of fun. It's a beautiful venue.

It was gorgeous. Like I've never seen such a beautiful, open, just like relaxing venue before, you know, sometimes you go into like, um, events and it's all closed off and it's a dark room and they have like, yeah, it's like a little ceilings, like a holiday in, it's like a holiday.

[Speaker 2] (1:13:42 - 1:13:42)

Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:13:43 - 1:14:22)

No, this had vaulted ceilings and, uh, they had all the, uh, there's doors going out to like little, um, balconies and stuff. They were all open. So all this fresh air was coming in and it was just relaxing.

It was comforting, lots of good food. And, um, the one thing I like about this event, which I've noticed with a lot of, excuse me, my earphone came out. I noticed with a lot of like, um, libertarian conferences and stuff, like children aren't really welcomed, but at free cities events, we encourage people to bring their children.

And we also are fine with people bringing their dog as well. So as weird as it sounds, we had, we had two dogs there this year and then we had- That'll bring my girlfriend.

[Speaker 2] (1:14:22 - 1:14:23)

She'd be all up in the dogs.

[Speaker 1] (1:14:24 - 1:15:02)

Yeah. I, I, you know, they were adorable. I, um, one of their names was Greta.

I forget the other name. It was Eddie. So Greta and Eddie, uh, they were very well behaved though.

So there was like no issue. Um, but yeah, and the children, we had a bunch of children this year, you know, from teenager on down. So that was fantastic to see because, you know, I see a lot of people cutting off like the younger generation from like Liberty Circles.

And it just bugs me because it's like, this is your future behind you. You want to start teaching them now. And I'm not seeing that happen.

And here we are, we're going to be stuck in like 10 years.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:03 - 1:15:40)

We're seeing a slightly, I hate to say disturbing trend because it concerns me more in a war way, but seeing the youth have the largest conservative movement among 16, 18 year old boys, it's both a good thing, but I know libertarians a little more conservative minded, but we don't, we don't need the Republican conservative because they're the ones who are going to start the wars. We don't need those guys. We need the libertarian minded type conservative, right?

That have a little more family oriented and things like that. How do we capture that group of young men? Give them purpose because it feels like that group feels more lost than other groups feel.

[Speaker 1] (1:15:43 - 1:15:59)

Well, yeah. I mean, my son, he's definitely more on the conservative side, but he's a smart kid. I think that I think that generation is going to figure it out.

And I'm worried about the generation before my son's generation to you're talking millennials.

[Speaker 2] (1:15:59 - 1:16:27)

Yeah. There's that one group. Yeah.

There is that group. Well, that's kind of the thing is like, you may have that dip, but that next generation is going to be the replacement family, but it it's still trending downward, which is the danger, which is to your point, you can, it still is a pyramid piece. You still need to feed the population in the bottom to make this thing work.

It's just, it's just how it works. It's just how nature and probabilities work. Everything will collapse.

If you have an inverted pyramid, it's not going to work that way. Just to your point.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:28 - 1:16:31)

Yeah. I mean, I mean, that it is what it is.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:31 - 1:16:31)

Well, you did your part.

[Speaker 1] (1:16:32 - 1:16:37)

I did my part. You know, I have three kids. I can die happy now.

That's what I think.

[Speaker 2] (1:16:38 - 1:17:13)

And it's funny because a lot of this stuff was going on. We talk COVID and stuff. Let's talk education.

It's interesting because I'm in Arizona and my girlfriend, I was sharing things that I was hearing from, you know, Twitter's or X is very unique. I just heard on the news about the sex scandal with the Senator thing on mainstream. I remember seeing on X on what Thursday night going, how many days do we have this to ourselves before mainstream media is going to even mention it or even get a whiff of it.

And we had it, you know, we had the shot heard around the world days before anyone ever knew that thing was fired, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:17:14 - 1:17:24)

Well, that's the thing you're getting your news on X before mainstream media now. And what's hysterical was their headlines were reading like we all didn't see the gay video already.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:25 - 1:17:31)

You know, that's it's like everyone's already watched the video and you've already watched it.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:31 - 1:17:35)

I forgot what headline it was, but they were like alleged. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:35 - 1:17:36)

That's a legal thing.

[Speaker 1] (1:17:36 - 1:17:37)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:17:37 - 1:18:51)

I think I replied on that because it is a legal thing because I can't, you know, it's still that stupid, not in a court of law bullshit, you know, but like we all saw it like, okay, whatever. Well, to that point. So what's interesting is X is a unique microcosm of the, of the country, which is different than what you may experience locally.

None of the ideology, the CRT stuff. My girlfriend is very aware of it. Like I, and she doesn't get that in her school, in her kindergarten, like her elementary school, the way others do.

And I know it's a more suburban conservative type things. So there are pockets of these, you know, more extreme CRT and less extreme CRT, but it's like, and all the other stuff, the DEI and all those other indoctrination type things, the transgender thing. She doesn't experience that in her school like others do.

And that's not to say it's not happening. It's just to say that it without like X is such a great platform to your point is everyone can express what's going on locally to, to the world so that they know, and they're aware that there are things like that going on. And I think that's the beauty of X is just the expression.

And that's where your free speech comes in. You know, you have to share everything.

[Speaker 1] (1:18:52 - 1:18:55)

If I didn't believe in X, I wouldn't be supporting it. And I went up to premium plus.

[Speaker 2] (1:18:56 - 1:19:01)

And that's exactly why I did as well. I don't have the money and I'm, I supported it. You know, I paid the annual fee.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:02 - 1:19:05)

Get rid of premium plus, you know, exactly.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:06 - 1:19:18)

That's easy. That was an easy one though. Wasn't it?

First of all, the, the, it's not like the material, the content's even good anymore. Like make it good and ideological. You can't, you can't be bad ideologically.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:18 - 1:19:32)

Okay. So they kind of lost me when they fired Gina. That made me very upset when they fired, you know, Gina, Gina Gershon, Gina, Gina Carano.

Oh yeah. I can't say her last name.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:32 - 1:19:35)

Carano. Yeah. Carano.

The one from the, yes. The one from Mandalorian, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:19:36 - 1:19:36)

Mandalorian. Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:19:37 - 1:19:43)

She's the UFC fighter that that's, yes, absolutely. That, yeah. Tell me about that.

Tell me about what your feelings were about that.

[Speaker 1] (1:19:44 - 1:20:20)

Oh, it's just made me upset because it's like, she's just trying to get, you know, the COVID nonsense out there and try to explain it to people succinctly. And they went off on her, you know, it's something that we see if you don't agree with the narrative, they will find every way and accuse you of everything just to get you fired or, you know, get your views out of the public so that you can't no longer spread your truth. That that's what happened when she was right about COVID.

She was right up there with, you know, people like Rob Schneider and stuff, pushing back.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:20 - 1:20:50)

Well, Rob Schneider also suffered that. I don't know if you really, I mean, you're younger than I am, so you may not have hit the Rob Schneider cancellation period of his career. Maybe you did, but he had a little part where he did, at least the narrative was that he went off the deep end.

And then he had that show that he had that wasn't that funny, but it wasn't pushed that much, but it had already started speaking out against the establishment. So they had already kind of started that concerted effort to push him out of the mainstream.

[Speaker 1] (1:20:51 - 1:20:58)

Yeah. But what's funny is he's gained up to a million plus followers since he started speaking out.

[Speaker 2] (1:20:58 - 1:21:06)

And his real personality, he's no longer like the cliche or the cutout character that you can do it or the Steve-O guy. He's actually like Rob Schneider, right?

[Speaker 1] (1:21:07 - 1:21:07)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:07 - 1:21:27)

Sometimes you get typecast like Michael Richards is going to be Kramer to me pretty much the rest of his life. But Jason Alexander's George. But I don't see, you know, that Rob Schneider is the you can do it only guy now.

He's much more broader and he's been shown to be much more have a breadth and a depth to his character and himself.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:28 - 1:21:29)

Not to mention highly intelligent.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:30 - 1:21:31)

Yeah.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:31 - 1:21:36)

You know, the guys out there reading Mises, not many people read Mises or Rothbard or, you know.

[Speaker 2] (1:21:36 - 1:21:53)

And nuanced. He's able to have a nuanced. I love how we're unable to hold two different thoughts in the same time in our head.

It's like it's not binary, people. It's not binary. It's like ridiculous is like this good, that bad.

It's like there's so many shades of gray in there. Right.

[Speaker 1] (1:21:53 - 1:22:16)

It's like, well, you know, it kind of disappoints me is assuming that there are actors out there who aren't intelligent and they're actually actors out there who are highly intelligent. And yeah, some some for reasons they can't speak out. But, you know, they're good people.

Absolutely. That's why we need that Elon Musk out there who, you know, have the fucking money saying, fuck you.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:16 - 1:22:29)

So, yeah, I have the I have the I must consider your proposal before I say no money. That's the voice that I have right now. I can't say go fuck yourself yet.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:30 - 1:22:37)

Yeah, I can't. I can't either. But, you know, I have not much else to lose.

So whatever. I still have a rebellion, though.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:37 - 1:22:49)

That's true. I am a little bit of a rebellion. I can't really keep keep my mouth shut too long, though.

But so there's anything else that you'd like to talk about or share? It's been a very pleasant conversation. Thank you again for gifting your Sunday afternoon with me.

[Speaker 1] (1:22:49 - 1:22:55)

Oh, you're welcome. No, not much else. You will having a birthday tomorrow.

[Speaker 2] (1:22:56 - 1:23:02)

Happy birthday. We'll get it. We'll get a blasted on Twitter.

Are we going to do a Twitter with a Twitter party where we just tweet and happy birthday?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:03 - 1:23:36)

I was going to I was just going to tweet my donation link because I don't have a subscription button. This is some this is one thing about extra I have an issue with, but the guys that are looking into a subscription button, but I haven't had one for a full year. And I hear what the issue with the subscription button is.

Don't quote me on this is that Apple only allows a certain amount of subscribers per an app. And so they did the first round. Now they're attempting to do the second round of allowing these specific subscribers to come through.

So I'm waiting on that.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:36 - 1:23:39)

But so, yeah, if you switch to Android, does that circumvent the problem?

[Speaker 1] (1:23:41 - 1:23:43)

No. At least that's what I was told.

[Speaker 2] (1:23:43 - 1:23:53)

So, OK, I was just curious because I know that Apple's had its own issues with Play Store and some other issues as well, where there's a general not compatibility issue, but a little bit of the cross.

[Speaker 1] (1:23:54 - 1:23:59)

Yeah. So so I was just going to post my donation and be like, pretend you subscribe to me for a year.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:00 - 1:24:15)

Perfect. Well, definitely. Happy birthday.

And I'd like to open this if you ever want to talk about or share any anything. I'm open to talk. I can talk about almost any topic that you'd want to discuss.

So just don't play chess.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:15 - 1:24:21)

I have a lot of topics. Yeah, we could we could do a chess live stream. You want to do a chess live stream?

[Speaker 2] (1:24:21 - 1:24:33)

No, no, I do not want to be. I lose in eight moves or three moves or whatever. No, no, thank you.

I'm a kamikaze chess person. I like taking out like I just sacrifice my person for that. I'm very.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:33 - 1:24:35)

Oh, you're one of those queen trade people.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:36 - 1:24:42)

I'm a horrible player. Yes, that's right. I did try.

I was in the club. I just wasn't very good.

[Speaker 1] (1:24:43 - 1:24:43)

So that's funny.

[Speaker 2] (1:24:44 - 1:25:07)

Anyway, so well, thank you again. Happy birthday. And like I said, please tweet this out to everyone because I'd love I'm here to speak with anyone.

Like I said, I have Dr. Reckonwald tomorrow, but I am looking to be a medium for people's voices. That's it. More than anything, I don't need to believe in what you believe in to believe in you.

No, that's fantastic.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:07 - 1:25:31)

And, you know, we need to have more conversations with people we don't necessarily agree with. Hundred percent. That's something that's seriously lacking in society, in my opinion.

There are people I get along with on the left. My own parents are left. They voted for Biden.

You know, I still they're five minutes away. I was just at my mom's the other day. I'm fine with my parents.

We just don't talk politics.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:32 - 1:25:32)

Exactly.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:33 - 1:25:33)

Yeah.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:34 - 1:25:41)

All right. Well, thank you again. If there are any closing comments, anything again, once again, it's Natalie Danelishen.

Is that correct?

[Speaker 1] (1:25:42 - 1:25:43)

That's right. You did a great job.

[Speaker 2] (1:25:44 - 1:25:54)

Free-cities.org. Thank you again for the time. I'm more than grateful.

I'll get these things spliced together. We had some technical issues, but I'll get it together as quickly as I can.

[Speaker 1] (1:25:54 - 1:26:02)

And keep a lookout for the Liberty in Our Lifetime event. I should be posting it next week. And yeah, definitely check out free-cities.org.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:03 - 1:26:30)

Excellent. Thank you so much again. Like I said, we've got each other on DM and stuff.

So feel free to reach out if there's any buddy you want me to if you have anybody you want to get in contact with. Like I said, I'm I see myself as like a conduit for it because I just I want to talk interesting topics and and ideas and things. And that's what it's all about is getting the ideas out because the more ideas we have to choose from, the better ultimate option, the ultimate decision will make better.

[Speaker 1] (1:26:30 - 1:26:33)

A hundred percent. Thanks for having me.

[Speaker 2] (1:26:33 - 1:27:03)

Thank you again, Natalie. Have a great day. Take care.