Transcript for my conversation with Kevin Mackie, Covid-19 vaccine protester 2/14/2024

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Hey everybody and welcome to another episode of Knocked Conscious. Today I had the pleasure of speaking with Kevin Mackey. He was involved in an altercation while protesting the COVID vaccines back in July of 2022.

He has a very interesting story. Here it is. I hope you enjoy it.

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Welcome to Knocked Conscious, guys. Thanks for reaching out. Kevin, you'd reached out to me.

So there's an incident that happened. I went on your Twitter and it's a suspended account. So I get an email from you and there's a case and there's a video attached.

And I will share the video and all the information because I don't want to get too much into it. But basically, I will post all the links and everything to the video when we post this. But what happened? Tell me what happened.

Give me all the details, blow by blow, just like Ilya mentioned. And I'm along for the ride. So I'm going to ask questions to add seasoning.

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So I'll give the blow by blow. Since Kevin, you know, everything he says can be used against him in a court of law, as they say. So basically, they were out protesting against COVID-19 vaccine clinic for children aged three, no, five through 11.

And he'll go into all of that himself. But basically, as soon as they get there, they get accosted by bystanders. This is a very liberal community.

91% of them have voted for Biden. So no, 80 something percent voted for Biden and 91% of the children five through 11 in that community are vaccinated. So people are very pro vaccination.

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Did I hear 90% of the children between five and 11 are vaccinated with the COVID-2 with some kind of Pfizer or Moderna of some sort? Yep. Two shot, at least. Okay.

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And that was a year ago. So it's a very liberal and also pro vaccine community. But that doesn't mean that Kevin doesn't have freedom of speech to protest.

They disagree. That's kind of the point of liberal, isn't it, Ilya? Unfortunately. Well, in the real definition, yeah.

So they protested, they came out. And immediately, they're accosted by a variety of members of the community. They're accosted, of course, by the museum staff.

This was at a museum that was renting space to the government for this clinic. So the museum claimed that they were on private property and told them to leave. They refused to leave.

And then some guy came out like Sasquatch out of the woods. I'm out. Yeah, time out there.

So they were told that they were on private property. Were they on private property? They were not on private property in the sense that there was no public access. This was an easement.

There was a park nearby, a town park. And back in 2016, this museum signed a contract, an official contract that's recorded in the land registry that says that the public can access those sidewalks that Kevin was on, and they can use those for any kind of recreational activity related to the park. And there's a lot of Supreme Court cases as to the fact that protesting, political debate, all that kind of stuff is quintessential park-related activity.

So they can't say that they weren't using it for the right purposes. So that land was allowed to be, there was legal access to that land and they weren't trespassing, but they were accused. From what I saw from the video, just as a bystander, complete bystander, it looked like a sidewalk.

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If I were an American citizen and I saw that area, I would think that that was available for all to use as a bystand walk, et cetera. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, there's an official land record that says so as well.

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So then all of a sudden this guy comes out like Sasquatch out of the woods and attacks Kevin right away. Came out, blindsided him from the right, grabbed onto Kevin's sign, which was mounted onto one-inch PVC pipe with triangle joints, you know, holding it together at the corners. It was a frame and then he zip-tied the big sign to this PVC pipe.

So the guy comes running out of the woods, grabs onto Kevin by the hand and starts pulling Kevin as he's, you know, bear clawing at a woman who was also protesting with Kevin. Right. Now, if I may, is this where the video kind of started? Is that where the video actually is started, where that person's coming in and makes that movement? Is that the movement you're talking about? Where he swipes? Yeah, there's a, so, oh no.

So yeah, he swipes the phone out of this other woman's hand, which then stops recording. So the first piece was actually not recorded yet, is that correct? When he initially approached? It was recorded, but kind of off camera, you know, like you see her like flip over and you see that actually the first contact, the assault by this guy, was recorded. And that's the one of him swiping initially, right? Grabbing swipes the woman, the phone out of her hand and the recording stops.

But you can see on on a distant recording that he then is dragging Kevin by the hand and with a sign along too, as he's like trying to grab onto another woman like this. So at this point, Kevin's being dragged and he basically defends himself and the woman by whacking the guy on the head two times with the megaphone that he was holding in his other hand. That's what it looked like to me as well, just from a, once again, just from an observational, looks like Kevin was pushed down and then Kevin got up and there were, I saw a couple, I would, I heard a couple bops.

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I did see a woman in the frame as well. So yeah, that's, that's where we're at. Okay.

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Yeah, a couple of bots. And then basically, you know, Kevin did a pretty good job against the guy, double his size, pepper sprayed him when each time there was a, basically the guy did something to attack, not Kevin, but a woman who was with Kevin. And this was a very important.

And, you know, it's clear because there's places where the guy attacks Kevin and Kevin kind of backs off. In fact, where the worst part of it when, so the guy ended up breaking apart Kevin's sign, pulling off like a four foot length of that one inch PVC pipe and just, you know, swinging it like a baseball bat looked like he played baseball in the past because he did the full, you know, body swing and just whack Kevin like crazy. Kevin didn't do anything.

He stepped back. It was only when the guy went and started trying to hit a woman with that pipe that Kevin ended up spraying him again. So anyway, the guy ended up being, you know, a Democrat and a supporter of that museum.

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Um, he had posted on his Facebook that he, that Republicans cannot coexist in this country with the rest of them, with the rest of the people and that they should be removed from this country. Um, they should be expelled. Yeah.

So there are virus that needs to be expelled. There are virus that needs to be expelled. So there's clear motive here for a hate crime, um, as it's understood under Massachusetts law.

So instead... And I'd even fight that that's even a hate crime, man. I'd be like, you, you're allowed to have any opinion you want of me. You know, it's funny that that's even tried to be used the other way, right? Yeah.

But that's, uh, basically Kevin, uh, stayed on scene, gave his statement to the police, did everything right. The other guy ran off, but ended up calling 911 because his eyes were hurting. Otherwise, there was no injuries to this guy.

And there was that call that I heard, uh, on, on that video as well. That'll be in there. So can everyone listen to that, to those two videos that I'll have posted links to.

Gets arrested. And then, uh, and we find this out through FOIA or our version of it called the Public Records Act that that same weekend, there was an emergency kind of series of emails and phone calls within the Massachusetts Department of, uh, Executive Office of Health and Human Services. So our HHS, our public health people, and the secretary of health for Massachusetts, uh, basically her, her director of policy said that we shouldn't let this happen again, that these people said when they left, see you again.

And we want to make sure that there's no further protests at the clinics anymore, at the vaccine clinics. So they ended up, uh, we don't know exactly what they did, but the secretary of health responds and says that I spoke with the executive office of public safety and security and the head of the Massachusetts state police will get in touch with you soon. And I can discuss offline what they are doing.

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The very next... Nothing in writing, right? And we'll do it in a location where you don't have to record it for FOIA in the future. Exactly. Exactly.

So the very next day, uh, that local police department tells one of its detectives to open a case on Kevin and the rest of the protesters. Uh, I got the rest of the protesters off for trespassing, but with the extra, uh, charges against Kevin, which are ridiculous, which are assault with a dangerous weapon, which is just like shooting somebody, uh, in Massachusetts, a dangerous weapon is a deadly weapon. So, uh, he's being accused of shooting somebody as if he shot somebody and this carries a 10 year sentence potentially.

Um, and he's still even got that trespassing charge, which is ridiculous considering that he was on public property. And, uh, obviously that he was acting in self-defense and defense of others against a man twice his size, who was absolutely enraged and who had a clear motive to do what he did based on his hatred for people he disagreed with politically. Unfortunately in Massachusetts, that makes you a hero.

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And he got away with it. You know, he, he, his process is over. He got to, uh, plead.

He, he got to admit guilt, but not be convicted. And, uh, so it's not on his record as a conviction. And he got like six months of probation and anger management classes.

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And Kevin is looking at some serious jail time. So just to try to give a full picture, we saw the video, this altercation happened, regardless of the initiation, both, both gentlemen, both parties involved were in some way physical at some point during the altercation. So at minimum, both should be looked at.

What you're telling me is Kevin's case, his was looked at and they're still pursuing in a pretty severe way. The gentleman who was the actual initial attacker, the assailant initially that we see in the video, we clearly from the time, there's no need to, that's just clear in the video. That person has now just been given a slap on the wrist with a six month probation.

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Is that correct? Yes. And the prosecutor is trying to claim that Kevin was the initial assailant. Despite everything we see on the video and a very just obvious case of gaslighting, um, everything that the prosecutor has said so far has been that it's Kevin who did the initial aggression.

And, you know, the other guy was just, you know, doing a public service by trying to remove Kevin from private property. Right. So basically it's their position.

It is a very dissuaded, unweighted type of, uh, well, I don't know. I don't want to say punishment yet, or I guess different ways to go after different types of people, depending on how they feel about things. Yeah.

And they got a jury pull over there that's going to be very sympathetic to their line of thinking. And, uh, it's, it's worth mentioning that, um, the videos, the video that you saw was comprised of a bunch of different views of the attack because nobody got the whole thing. Well, that first chunk where you see Fred grab me, that part was sent by the woman who got the phone swiped out of her hand.

The one, the far distant one, right? Is this a part or the one right there? The one real close to the one right there. Yeah. Got it.

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So, um, uh, our protesters sent that to the police immediately after the attack. And despite having sent it to the police, the detective that wrote up the police report that, uh, they wrote the police report right away, but then they came back and added what they found from the video into the police report at a second date. Well, at that second date, despite having that piece of the footage, they did not comment on that at all.

They left out that initial aggression, uh, out of the police complaint. And that's like the most material evidence. We've actually seen that with the vice president when she was a DA omitting evidence to keep people.

I mean, we see this happen as a, as a ploy. Look, these people need to win their case. I'm not, you know, you can't really, I hate, I hate to blame the people doing it, but they are culpable for doing this, but their job is to win, you know? Right.

And they'll do anything to do so. And that's, unfortunately, the way it's set up is that they're able, there are some tools that they're able to use to do this. Which is messed up to me.

You would think that the prosecutors should be looking for justice, not just a way that it costs. Right, exactly. And that's, and unfortunately, that is definitely the way it seems to be going.

And not only that, it's just the, the lack of fairness between the two cases, right? Because if, if, if you, once again, as a, as a bystander watching, I'd be like, both of those guys should get something for whatever they had between them. And then it's like, all right, now stop it. Like, that's pretty much how I see it.

You know what I mean? It did get a little out of hand, but you know what? It did settle down. It did not get to an, it was non-lethal force or non-lethal in pepper spray. So, you know, just as once again, I'm a court of public opinion.

I'm not the jury in this case, but it looked like two people who had a physical altercation and there should be something, but definitely fair for each in some way, if, you know, if not even weighted towards the assailant, right? Well, it's funny you mentioned that because early on in this, the first agreement that we had with the court was going to be that I take the stand, plead the fifth. The assailant takes the stand, pleads the fifth. There will be no other witnesses.

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It would just be a wash. Nobody, nothing happens to anybody in a bench trial. And the prosecutor and Ilya agreed to that.

And that's, that was the path that we were set on all the way up until less than a week before that. And then all of a sudden on the Friday before that Tuesday bench trial was to happen, all of a sudden they're like, oh, we have a witness that wants to testify against Kevin. Nevermind.

We want to go forward with prosecuting him. Total ambush. Wow.

And obviously Ilya, as the attorney, you can speak to this, correct? You can speak to this because you were the one who negotiated this. Yeah. And then I have no preparation because we agreed to not having any witnesses.

So unfortunately, no recording, no recorded audio of the conversation. Oh no. In fact, no, no, no.

So afterwards I made a big scene in court that I'm not talking to her on, you know, without email anymore, that we're, we're not talking on the phone because I need everything writing from now on. Yeah. I mean, it was just, it was a bait and switch.

They try to get me. I threw a fit basically in court and said that we're not proceeding to trial under these circumstances, prepared as much as we could to impeach this, this new witness. And you know, luckily we got the trial delayed and now that it's delayed, we've done some good preparation and everything I think is ready to defend.

But him going on trial is a problem in the first place because A, the jury and B, that shouldn't have happened. You know, a prosecutor's not supposed to bring a assault kind of case if there's clear evidence of self-defense. And it's, and it's just miraculous that this, that this can even happen in this way.

It's just, it boggles my mind right now. And that's not even, that, that wasn't even the only lie that the prosecution told us. She denied, they continue to gaslight the existence of the easement that proves that we were on public property.

She says, I hit Fred with the white pole when there's, you see the whole, you hit him with your back, what are you talking about? Yeah, I hit the pole with my back. I guess if you, if you want to hear it, listen to it that way. I've hit a lot of people with my face, man.

I've hit a lot of fists with my face in my life. Right. Yeah.

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There's the issue of the, oh, go ahead. Sorry. No, no, go ahead.

Please. There's the issue of the ex parte communication that went on behind our backs. Ilia was forced to argue against a rebuttal to his motion to dismiss.

I forget which hearing that was. The judges, the judges are pretty much in on it. There was a situation where, you know, I filed a motion and the prosecutor said, could I have this other judge hear this motion? And that's a big, no, no, you're not allowed to do what's called judge shopping.

So I called them out on it, but not until they, the, the, the judge who was sitting in court at the moment said, sure, we're going to take a break and I'm going to call the judge, the other judge and see if she's available. Another big, no, no, you can't communicate, judges can't communicate about a case with each other. So we ended up knocking out those two judges.

Like some mistrial-y kind of thing in a way. Disqualification. Trump has tried to do that with his judges without much success.

Although what's happening down in Georgia with a prosecutor who is banging the special prosecutor. We know about that one. Right.

We know about Fannie Spanney. We know about her very well. Yeah.

That one is probably good enough to disqualify the prosecutor. There needs to be like a direct like connection like that, or an actual misconduct like those judges where they communicated with each other. So, and then, so nationally, was there any, oh, go ahead Kevin.

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Oh, sorry. Right after the, the break where they, in which they communicated, they come back and they changed their mind from having, trying to get the other judge to hear it to, okay, we're going to hear the motion right now. Ilya has no time to prepare.

He literally had to look at the motion in the five minute break to prepare an oral argument on the spot. Well, I was prepared. The question was the prosecutor didn't ever see that motion and she had to argue against it.

And for her to agree to that means that she knew the fix was in. Yeah. Because I would never go away.

Yeah. I wrote it at least, you know, maybe I didn't think I was going to argue it that day, but I wrote the damn thing. The poor prosecutor, if that was, if she was, you know, ambushed with that, she would have the same problem as me at the trial, but she knew that it didn't matter.

All she did was reread the police report and she, she won because the fix was in. Anyway, guys, I'm going to run. Thank you so much.

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I've aged a lot in the past three years due to stress from COVID. This wasn't my first issue related to COVID and COVID is really what got me into politics in general. Um, it all started while I grew up in Connecticut, but I moved up to Massachusetts about 17 years ago, 15 years ago, um, to take a job with the FAA.

Um, I interned at Bradley airport. I'm a pilot. No, I was a radar technician.

No, I'm a pilot. Okay. Yeah.

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Oh, okay. Aeronautical university in Prescott, Arizona. Oh, nice.

Yep. I, uh, I went to community college in Connecticut and, uh, through an internship program, I started working at Bradley airport as a, as a technician. Well, as an intern first, and then they hired me as a technician.

Um, then like I was telling you before, I went to Oklahoma city to get training every few months. They'd send me at, for a couple months, um, sometimes a couple of months, sometimes a couple of weeks at a time. And I worked as a technician up in, uh, uh, the Berkshires in the upper West corner of Massachusetts for the last few years.

I know it well. The what? Uh, James Taylor talks about the Berkshires in his song. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a nice area. Yeah.

It is nice. Yeah. Well, um, in 2021 in, in November of 2021, they started, we had already been working from home due to COVID, uh, for the past year.

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And then in December, 2021, they started talking about the vaccine and they're like, well, we're, we're not going to mandate it, but you know, we're, we're advising that you get it. And something in the back of my head was like, they're going to mandate it soon. And then, uh, I started doing, uh, digging, digging deeper into the statistics, finding out how they, um, had been disguising.

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They'd been inflating COVID death numbers and the death certificates by saying that, uh, COVID was the cause of death when it was a comorbidity and they were dying on COVID and dying with COVID. Right. Right.

Exactly. If you got in a car accident within six months of having COVID, they put that as a cause of death and, and I started funding for it. Right.

They incentivized it. I mean, they incentivized you to change the death certificates or the certificates. Yes.

Those, those medical facilities would get extra funding for doing so for essentially falsifying medical records. My mandate story is, uh, I'm pretty just generally independent person. And the second I heard that they had even talked about was an employees of 25.

I called my, I called my manager up and I said, I actually, I sent an email, I think to my owner, my vice president and my manager. I said, I do not care. I'm not doing this.

I'm telling you right now, before this even starts, he said, I won't, I won't mandate it. I go, I'm telling you right now, that's going to go down to smaller and smaller businesses. I think it started with like 500 or something.

And then they kept making it, you know, a hundred or something that kept spalling. I'm like, you're going to shrink entire, entire size. I'm just telling you it's not, I'm, this is my line.

Like, and I told them the second I heard it. So they knew at least that we had talking points. If it did come to that kind of conversation, you know, so for you, yeah, it was a small, it's a family kind of like more of a family run, little more conservative family type from business.

But in your case, it sounds like you got caught in the corner, got painted in the corner there. Yeah. My, my employer was the federal government.

So I, I didn't get to have those conversations. They were like, no, shut up. And actually I, I was having the conversations with them, despite them not wanting me to, we would have these management meetings.

I wasn't management, but they invited everyone to these management meetings for the whole new England region. And I went on there just to basically voice my opinion about the COVID bullshit that was going on because they would say things like, well, we're going to now say that any contractors that come on to site, if you, if the, if the contract is for more than a certain amount of money, then all of the contract employees have to be vaccinated if they're going to be on site. But if the contract is for under a certain amount, then they don't have to be vaccinated.

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Because the vaccine has, it's, it's elitist. The vaccine, it's a class thing too, man. It's not about race.

It's about class. Right. And the vaccine itself, the, the, the, the pathogen actually knows how much money.

It knows the dollar value, right? It knows, it knows the net profit, the gross margin, all of it. It knows all of it. It's yes.

It's very smart. And it knows to infect people that make more money or less. Eating without the mask doesn't get anything in your mouth at all.

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Well, yeah, that's why you can wear the, you can go to the restaurant and if you take off your mask, you're good. Cause the food blocks the pathogen. So did, so was it, were you let go? Did you walk away? Did you kind of start your exit? How, how did this devolve for you, I guess? Well, it so as, as I was voicing my opinion on those zoom calls, I would say, just like, you know, the point you brought up, how does COVID know how much money you make? Why is there, why are you making different rules for different, like, it doesn't make logical sense.

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And of course the manager that's my boss's boss's boss that makes probably triple what I make. He's just like, I don't know. I'm just the conduit.

And I'm like, no, no, you're part of the problem. Diffusion of responsibility is what that is. Diffusion? Yeah.

It's called diffusion of responsibility. So as a, as a company gets bigger and bigger, it's, it spreads out the blame among more people. So it just makes each person have less actual accountability.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, I'm just, I'm just another cog getting the next piece of paper, you know? Right. And I'm, I'm like, no, you're the problem because you're choosing to be a repeater and go along with this crap.

That's why we have this problem. If you stopped, like I'm doing, then if everybody stopped going along with it, this wouldn't be able to be pushed on people. Right.

Well, think about how does traffic happen? Cars stop moving. So if you just stop things, bottleneck, it's real simple. Yeah.

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So, but so, okay. So, so you had these conversations and I can't imagine the responses. I mean, first of all, let me ask you two questions.

Yeah. What was the reaction from management in general? How did they try to quit? Like, how did they try to tamper down or how was it? How did they react? And how did your employee fellow employees react? Because you're talking about a narrative that they're selling the public and then you've got obviously top-down management, right? How did these two either agree with each other or contradict each other in any way? Management basically didn't want to answer. And they would say things like, well, if you have any concerns, email this email address.

Yeah. And it went into the circular filing cabinet and nobody ever responded. So then I would say on the next week, the next bi-weekly call, Hey, nobody responded.

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What the hell? And management was generally pretty oppressive. It came from my direct manager. It came from that guy and the person in between them, all levels of management.

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And my coworkers were disappointingly not, they didn't stand up, but most agreed with me. They were like, yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah.

Yeah. This is wrong. We shouldn't force it on people.

And I'm like, well, help me do something. And that's called the finality of evil, right? That's the finality of evil. So you've got your management going, look, I'm just part of the problem, I guess.

If you're calling me the problem, I'm just part of it. So it's not really much of my problem. It's only part of it.

And then you've got your coworkers telling you, there's not much really you can do. We agree with you, but what are we going to do? And both those forces combined is just the perfect storm. You know, my coworkers, there was a period and the masks was a whole thing that I'm going to get into, but there was a period where the masks came back.

They were gone for a while and they came back and I refused to wear the mask because they're stupid and they don't help. And I was like, and when the email dropped that there was the masks were back, everybody did a collective groan. I'm like, don't wear them like I am.

They can't fire all of us. And they're like, nah, we don't care enough. So is this you, is that who you are? I mean, have you always been that way? Is that a Kevin? Were you always like a rambunctious kind of like anti-authoritarian kid? Like, don't tell me what to do.

No. Well, I mean, back when I was a kid. Yeah.

But I, but I mean, yeah, you sound like a guy who obviously is like, believes in a system and gets, goes through work and productive and believes in like contributing to society. But this thing, you couldn't get away from it. I mean, you went to every, each one of these meetings, you didn't have to go to make your point.

Yes. And you did it knowing that there were going to be consequences in some way at some point. Yeah.

I didn't really face consequences for voicing the opinions. It came more when the eventual vaccine attestation mandate came into play in November of 2021. That's when my boss, well, when the FAA said that everybody had to attest to their vaccination status.

They had to upload their papers, scan it in and go on this website or whatever, and tell them whether you were whether you got your vaccine and prove it or whether you were applying for an exemption. Now I was very stubborn and I said, fuck uploading my papers and fuck saying, fuck asking for an exemption because I don't feel like I even have to ask for anything. You're not my doctor, screw off.

My manager didn't like that very much. And right after, you know, after a period of time, my manager started calling me at the radar site saying, you know, you haven't, you haven't complied with the requirement. You haven't complied with the requirement.

And I'm like, I'm not going to, it's stupid. This is, this is unjust. This is probably unlawful.

And you're not going to make me do this. I'm not going to get this vaccine. Like, and so they eventually called me down.

I was working up in the Berkshires. She is stationed at Bradley, the Berkshire site. There's no management up there.

They're a sister site of Bradley. So all the management is down in Bradley. So she's like, okay, you're coming in for a meeting at Bradley.

I think that was in December, 2021. So I go to the meeting and there's a mask mandate in place and I don't wear the mask because fuck that. I immediately get.

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You forgot it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I knew what I, I knew what I was doing. Oh, I'm sure you did. Yeah.

And plenty of people reminded me from my coworkers to the air traffic manager, to my manager. Then we got into, I got into my manager's office and they put the paper in front of me, reprimanding me for not attesting to my vaccination status. And she's like, I was like, I would like to record this meeting.

You know, I, I feel like this is important and my job could be at stake. She of course denied me permission to record the meeting. It would have been okay if she had given permission, but no, they don't want anything on recording.

Of course they know what they're doing is bullshit. She slid the mask in front of me and I'm like, nope, not doing that. She slid the, the record, you know, I'm supposed to sign the paper acknowledging that I was being reprimanded and I didn't sign that either.

I stormed out of the meeting. And I had to get an unrelated issue. I had to get my PIV card fixed.

It wouldn't open the doors or whatever. So I was hanging around Bradley that day and my manager's like, you have to leave. And I'm like, why? She's like, because you're not wearing a mask.

And I'm like, no, it's against my beliefs to wear the mask. It's against my sincerely held beliefs. So it's a religious claim.

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And she's like, you have to leave. Like she would not recognize that. So eventually she, I wouldn't leave.

And she called the police on me. And I, and I have this, I have the entire interaction with the police on body cam footage that I can share. I can share that with you.

Yeah, please. If you have the link or anything there, you should upload that on your video stream too, if you can. Yes, I do plan to do that.

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But this, she called the police on me. I had an argument with them. Well, not an argument, but it was, it was a long discussion.

She first threatened to call 911 on me. And then she said she forgot the number. So she called the state police.

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But after a conversation with the police, they didn't care about my objections to the masks. And I didn't care to leave. So they arrested me for trespassing at work on my shift.

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I've never heard of somebody being trespassed at work on their shift. I've not ever heard of that. I mean, not unless they got like, unless there was an actual thing.

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Not like that. I don't know. Right.

Right. All right. So you were, you were at, you were escorted from the premises.

I was escorted into a police car and then into the lockup at Bradley. And then charged with trespassing, had to report to the courthouse in Hartford, Connecticut. There was a mask mandate there while the court was going on.

So a friend and I actually went there and we asserted our rights to not wear the mask due to religious objections. And they actually, um, they were cooperative. They were like, okay, we don't want any trouble.

Just stay away from people and just go in and do what you got to do. So we were the only ones. Yep.

So real quick, if I may. I've heard anecdotal stories of inmates or people on trial getting vaccinated while they're on trial. They just jabbed him in the arm and did it.

I've heard that. Did you experience any of that? Any coercion to try to vaccinate you while you're waiting trial or anything? No, thank God. That sounds horrific.

Have you heard that story? Have you heard that? No. Okay. I don't want to, I don't want to get above my, over my skis, but I've heard stories where people were being vaccinated or mandated as they're waiting trial, uh, you know, in, in jail.

So that's, I'll get that. That's like shooting a fish in a barrel. That's awful.

Right. I mean, it's just, yeah. I just wonder if you had that.

And the only reason I'm asking that is because I heard that I don't, I don't make claims. I don't, I don't do, because it's not my job. My job is to like, let people share what their perspective of their story is.

And you know, like I said, I wouldn't doubt it. I wouldn't doubt that. That's true.

That sounds like something. I mean, I could imagine more extreme places, maybe California, you know, Massachusetts. Yeah.

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So you're, yeah. Massachusetts is pretty, pretty much pretty liberal, but anyway, so, so you, uh, you're in prison or in this jail is like a drunk tanky kind of thing, or just like, well, that was, um, I was only in the lockup for a few hours the day I got arrested. And this was several, this is probably a month later that I had to report to the courthouse to talk to the prosecutor.

And I eventually did. And I sat in front of the prosecutor. Um, and he's like, oh, so, uh, trespassing, huh? And I'm like, yup.

And he's like, so what happened? And I said, I wouldn't wear a mask at work. So they arrested me for trespassing. And he's like, okay.

So, so you don't like masks, huh? And I'm like, no. And he's like, yeah, I see you're not wearing one right now because the whole rest of the courthouse is. And, and, uh, I'm like, yup.

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And he's like, hmm. And you're from Massachusetts. Did you ever get pinched for this up there? And I'm like, yup.

They arrested me at the courthouse in Springfield for trespassing, for not wearing a mask there twice, because the first day I wouldn't wear the mask in the courtroom, in the courthouse. And the second day I had to get, go to my arraignment at the same courthouse and I still wouldn't do it. So they arrested me again.

So yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm a bad person. So he's like, he's seeing that there's a pattern here.

And I think the women behind him are like giggling a little bit, cause this is so ridiculous and stupid. And he's like, hmm. Okay.

Well, I'm not interested in prosecuting this. I don't have any constitutional grounds to stand on. So just come back next time.

And we're going to get this dismissed for you. And I was like, oh, good. So I did come back next time.

I think it was like a month later. And the woman that works for the prosecutor's office said that, yeah, well, I think it was an all process or something. They said, if you're good for six months or a year, you'll get it taken off your record.

Or you can, if you hang around for an hour or two, you can talk to the judge and try to get him to dismiss it outright. And I was like, yeah, I'll hang out and try to do that. So I did.

And then the judge came out and I was like, yeah, the prosecutor said that he found it to be unconstitutional. They aren't interested in pursuing it. So yeah, I'd like it to be dismissed outright.

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And then he turned to the woman that works for the office, the prosecutor's office, and he was like, any objection to that? And she was like, nope. And he's like, OK, dismissed. And that was it.

It was gone. And I went downstairs and I got the receipt for that. And I ended up uploading that in a document to my work, who was continuing to reprimand me because I wouldn't wear the masks.

Right. So this is like, hey, I just went to a court and fought whatever and I got some kind of get out of jail free. So this should be me getting out of jail across all jails, I guess.

Right. Including. Makes sense.

You just had a judge rule on something like a legal judge rule and make a ruling, you know. Right. Yeah.

So in the months after that, the arrest and then I think there was another day where I tried to show up at work right after that. Um. They they knew that I wouldn't wear the mask, so they put me on unpaid leave for several months.

And then during that, they suspended me. I think for 30 days. Yeah, there was a 30 day suspension embedded within the multi month unpaid leave period.

Then I eventually got back to work. They moved me from from the Berkshires down to Connecticut. Because I required additional oversight, according to them.

Now, this was in the height of the pandemic where you need more people to watch you, but you need to stay six feet away. Yes. And that somehow made sense to them.

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I worked up there with two other guys and they were so hard on pushing social distancing. We weren't even supposed to hang out in the same room as other technicians. But they brought me from the isolated radar site down to the crowded control tower with air traffic and several other technicians violating their own concern about safety because they needed to have control over me.

Yeah. Well, the only way to have freedom is tyranny. Come on, you know.

Right. Yeah. So I was and I pointed this out in my rebuttal documents that came later.

They brought me back. Back to Connecticut, actually. Now, now, are you are you looking? Are you preparing to exit in some way or do you think that you're safe as an American working in your job and taking the stance you have? Because I'll admit I'm a worker and I can't not work and not make a paycheck like there's something ingrained in me that won't allow it.

It's probably my parents or whatever. And I would admit that I would probably lean toward caving to save something if I didn't have something backed up and I'd be trying to work on something in the background. Yeah.

Yeah. So what were you mentally in that in that part? Um, well, as the story goes on, I eventually. I get suspended again, and then eventually they hand me a notice of proposed removal from federal service.

So that's where I prepare the document showing that I was let out of jail. I was I showed it was like this 20 page document. I put up references to how masks don't work.

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I looked at the OSHA rules and they were supposed to have workplace hazard assessments done for all the buildings that they were requiring you to wear masks as their PPE, personal protective equipment, and their rules surrounding personal protective equipment. They're supposed to have those workplace hazard assessments done for all the buildings that they're requiring you to wear that in was never done. If you're asking people to bring in masks from home, your management is supposed to be inspecting the masks as they would with any other PPE.

If you're going to if you're going to do this, you got to do it right. Right. Nobody inspects masks.

There was no OSHA also says that they're supposed to be training on how, when and stuff to wear masks if you're going to use them as PPE. Never done. So it was just some bullshit thing that they slapped together to make people feel better about thinking that they're protecting themselves from a pathogen.

Right. When I raised all these concerns in my document, they simply replied with, oh, the rest of his rebuttal just repeats a bunch of things he's said before when I've never said that stuff before. So it's all just a bunch of rhetoric.

It's just a bunch of rhetoric. Yeah. Studies and actual science and data science.

Yeah, I got you. So judge rulings in your favor. You know, I didn't include those.

Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. The one the one for me.

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Yes, I did. Right. The one for you, for sure.

Yeah. So they didn't care and they fired me. August is like right there after straight cut.

How did that work? Yeah, it was 30 days for me to write that rebuttal. I wrote it. I sent it in.

And then right after that, they called me in. Well, I got a letter in the mail saying, yeah, come back to this off off the I'm not at the control tower, but at this like office site near it. Bring all your keys, bring your key card, bring your laptop, bring the cell phone.

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And I'm like, it doesn't say I'm getting fired, but I know I'm getting fired. Yeah. And they're like, I've got a box with your stuff in it waiting for you.

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Yes. So. So what? So this is November 2021 when it kind of really started escalating.

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What date is the termination date? Or I don't want if you can't talk about this specific date, but. August 8th, 2022. So you went through all that for like nine months.

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Yep. And after how did you do that? Federal service. 1515.

Yep. They said they spent. Trains.

That's how you keep going. You had 14 years in. That makes sense that you'd be like, look, I'm bought in like this is what I do.

Right. Yeah. I never imagined not having that job.

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They spent thousands sending me to Oklahoma City, training me on various radio equipment, radar equipment, ground-based navigational aids that I was tasked to maintain and fix. I was the only young guy at the radar site doing that, that set of equipment. The other two guys are they could be retired now.

Yeah. I don't know what they're going to do. You're telling me you're 15 years in and I'm looking at you.

I'm like, you're 15 years old. Yeah. You know what I mean? No.

So I'm just saying, like, you got a young face too. I get it. It's just, you know, that's that's impressive.

So you're a young guy with a half of a full experience. I mean, that's 15 years a long time. Yeah, I believe I got in when I was 23, got out of the college program and I'm 38 now.

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Okay. So they sent me after I got fired. They sent me my 15 year certificate or something.

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Yeah. And I spent my 15 year usually when when you hit 15 years, they have a little meeting and all your co-workers are at the table and they call you up and they clap and everything. I was on suspension for not telling them about that Springfield courthouse arrest.

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They had to suspend me for that for five days. Oh, and the first day of that was a holiday. June, Juneteenth.

Oh, even better. So they do. They they gypped me out of a day of work of.

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I would have got paid for that anyway. But, you know, they did it in a way. They gypped me out.

Oh, yeah. Thanks. You know, you send me this thing after I've been fired.

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Thanks a lot, assholes. Yeah, I think I work for a rental car company. I remember getting like the 500,000th car rental paperweight after I was terminated or quit or whichever way that went.

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It's like, all right. Yeah. Whoo.

Man, that's crazy. So August 22, 2022 comes around. You're terminated.

Yeah. Now what you are, you're literally the carpet janked out or you ran off the cliff in the in that cartoon. You haven't looked down yet.

You're just floating. You're just ready to fall. Right.

Like that's where you're at. Well. Before I got fired, this this act and thing happened where I got attacked by that bozo.

Oh, OK. So door. So this happened during that time.

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So, yes. A couple without without getting before getting fired. Exactly.

A month before getting fired. Holy mackerel. So without getting into the particulars of the incident itself, I'm curious.

What is your mentality to take that stand or to demonstrate five to 11 year olds? Do you have a personal story of someone that, you know, you have any nieces, nephews, children, yourself, something that just spoke to you about that? What about that made you kind of like really stand up? It's it's mostly a individual rights issue. I feel like nobody should be penetrating you with anything that you don't want in your body. And early on, I was I was kind of telling my mom and dad about this.

And I was like, don't get that. Don't get that shot. And they got it.

And my dad got a blood clot soon after. And how is he? Is he OK now or is he? He's OK. Yeah, yeah.

Did he get any associated myocarditis as well or the clots were the main thing? I don't think so. I think it was minor. But I asked my mom, like, Mom.

It's probably that shot. And she's like, well, I did ask the doctor if that could have been it. And the doctor said no, but seemed like he wanted to say yes.

And I'm like, I've been telling you. Yeah, that's. That's it.

Of course, they give me the logic that we have to be careful. We're older. Uh, we need to be.

And there's a case for that. I'm not going to lie. The point the point is, there's a case for that to be said.

If you really want to say if it really does help older people. OK, fine. But the average age of the person who died of covid is higher than life expectancy in the United States.

So what does that tell you about it actually extending your life if you're older? I mean, just right there, if the average age of the person who dies of it is older than the life expectancy of the of the nation. OK. You know, just like right on his face, you know.

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So, yeah. And it goes to the whole comorbidity thing. How many of them actually died of covid? Right.

Right. So those are twists. I haven't shared with you what's what happened with me.

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My my story is nothing like yours. I I mean, I live in Arizona and I basically breeze through it because we didn't have money lockdowns. We didn't have anything.

I wore a mask everywhere I went only out of courtesy. Just like I was always with my girlfriend. We cross her family at times.

And, you know, I just want to be courteous to other people as more of a visual whatever. I'm with you. Like so I'd be like, oh, you're wearing a mask.

I go, yeah. Because what do you think of? I go, they're ridiculous in a waste, but I'm just wearing it. You know, so someone asked me my opinion.

I'd be happy to share that. So I'm a type two diabetic. And I was in Belize the week before covid hit March, March 9th, 2020.

I remember. And there was a I still have a picture of a urinal in Belize in the airport. And the maker of the toilet is Corona.

And I took a picture of it and I said, oh, my God, the original the origin of the coronavirus. And I just made like some real made. This is like we're talking early days.

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So next week, I'm in Vegas. They shut down Vegas the day I'm there. 16th of March.

They shut all of it down. I've got pictures on the strip where there's not a single car and it is just empty. And it was eerie.

It was like, well, heck, we drive home and Sirius XM had some kind of like early covid, like 24 hour. What's going on with it? What started? So that's March. Fast forward to April.

We get Brent Weinstein on Rogan. That is the first point when anyone said there's something about an email that I got from a buddy that said something about it not being natural. And right then and there, I went, ding, I'm following that rabbit hole.

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And since then, I was talking about covid, not talking about. OK, like from the natural. Right.

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So right off the bat, I knew this whole thing was something was up. Vax, Vax, Vax, Vax, Vax, Vax. Everybody got to get back as it comes.

And I'm like, you know what? Let me do this. Let me take some vitamin D. Let me take some supplements. Let me get my blood sugars a little more under control.

Let me let me work on that part. Let me do that first. Yeah.

But so I go, I start and I go, well, the first thing I need to do is get working with my doctor again to start the process of getting better. Go into the doctor. The first thing she shoves is the vaccine.

And I like to. I am here because of the facts. I'm here because I don't want to take it.

And I'd like to get healthy now. So let's get my stuff in order. Where am I off and what do I need to do? Got my hormones checked, got started taking testosterone.

I was like below T. Like I did everything. So I start everything new. My A1C, I became pre-diabetic for one for a six month period.

Like I lost a bunch of weight. I used to be over 300 pounds at my peak. Now, this is yours.

This is I'm like one night that you had the type two going into this, right? Correct. I typed you going in. So I, my girlfriend and I were in Arizona.

We still went out every day. I did wear the mask thing, but once again, it was a courtesy thing. I didn't at the, at that time, we didn't really know or didn't know, but it was like, come on, it's cloth.

You're breathing in everything. It's ridiculous. But anyway, maybe it's spittle is what we thought it might stop, you know, so kept doing that.

So we get through, I get down to below 200 pounds. I get to 195 super healthy. I'm in, I feel amazing.

And boom, Christmas of 2021, 2022 to probably, yeah, probably 2022. We go to a Cardinals game, Arizona Cardinals game. I think we get it.

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And three weeks of like a little like bronchial thing, but not more on comfort discomfort. I worked every day. Nothing.

I breezed through it. I'm type two diabetic. I've heard syrup.

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Then I got it again and it was like even better. And the whole time they're pushing this thing. And I'm like, you just told me here I am.

One of the biggest comorbidities is diabetes or blood sugar. Well, generally, cause it generally tends with obesity and with the other stuff and the other stuff at all compounds together. But once I started taking care of that with, with the supplementation, I think the vitamin D certainly helped.

And I breezed through it and I'm in, I'm I should not have breezed through it the way they told me I shouldn't have. Right. And I just took care of myself.

And, and would you be willing to, instead of that, take an experimental gene therapy and, and really ignoring all those other issues that you are, that you had anyway. Right. Exactly.

It's like, oh yeah, I'm okay. I'm so fat or I'm out of shape. So I'll just take a shot.

It'll be fine. And that's what the doctor told you to do. That's what's bothering me.

Like my doctor told me the same thing. She's like, I just had these arguments with her and I'm like, how come you never tell me like sleep more, eat vegetables, drink water, get sunlight. They just, they just immediately try to tie you to that vaccine or to another medication.

I've heard her when I first started seeing her, this was before COVID. She was like, you know, when somebody comes in here, what we do is we, we take down your symptoms and we try to hook you up with a medication. And I'm like, you just jumped way ahead.

Like you should be trying to, what happened to the doctors to say, go home and eat some vegetables. Like it's, it's ridiculous that pharma has corrupted these doctors to this point where they don't care about your long-term health. That vaccine wasn't going to save you from COVID and it wasn't going to cure your diabetes and it wasn't going to make you lose weight and really make you a stronger person to take on any kind of pathogen.

And my friend calls it the sick care system. It's not the healthcare system. It's a treatment system.

Well, it's not a curing system. It's a treatment system, right? And if they treat it, like I'll be honest, like I, I, I needed testosterone. I really needed it.

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But now that I'm taking it artificially, my body no longer makes it correct. And now I'm stuck. But I mean, right now though, the net benefit for me is that I'm at a level that made my body do a the net positive.

This is where modern medicine is good. This is where we look at each individual thing and go, where does it benefit humanity? Where does it affect humanity? You know? Well, I, I think there's a lot of things in our lifestyle that take our testosterone levels down. Yeah.

There's a lot of estrogen levels, like the soy and all the extra stuff. Soy, the fluoride in the water, the, the chemicals in the soaps that we get. There's a lot of estrogen, high estrogen levels.

And I mean, we talk about that with the plastics and microplastics and the taints and all that with animals and stuff. It's, it's pretty amazing. The biology that we're, that we're coming across.

Yeah. And it's, it's pretty bad that they don't push you towards things like the sunlight, the D3 that comes through sunlight. I've, I've heard that taking D3 supplements is not the same as getting it through the sun.

I'm not sure. It's not, it isn't the same because it's just not absorbed the right way. I mean, you have to absorb with some fats and you have to, you still need sun.

I mean, and I mean, think about it. This is, this is what absolutely gets me. If you, if you want to talk about like, I'm going to go to race.

We're going to go to skin color, darker skin prevents less light to be absorbed. Yes. So you have a section of people with darker skins of all different variant tones, but darker now sit inside an office building all day and don't even go outside.

And I think the number I heard was 96% of people were vitamin D3 deficient. So the people that were, that went to the hospital during this pandemic, it's a pretty astonishing number. And just, just that alone.

And to your point, you're right. It's not the same, but it's like, it's almost like better than nothing. Right.

And that you could even make the P the case that lockdowns disproportionately affected people of color because they need more time in the sun to get more D3. It's a biological thing. And that, yeah.

And that was kind of the point. And, and I leave it at that. No, no much, nothing more needs to be talking.

Just the biology of how that works. Right. So it takes about half the time it takes to burn for a patch of your skin to absorb the maximum amount of D3 from the sun.

So the lighter you are, the less time you need in the sun. Right. Absolutely.

Yeah. It's just an absolute fact that the pigmentation. So, so you, you're, you, you're done in August and a month before.

So this was the July of 2022, correct? Yes. So, and you just saw this thing and you just knew this thing was coming locally and you're like, Hey, you know what, this is a good time to get some people together and get together with some people and do this. Well, we had been, I had been a protester slash activist up for a long time before that.

The time I spent on unpaid leave, I had to do something with that. So I got big into the activism. I got big into the medical freedom movement going up to Boston, protesting Mayor Wu.

She's ridiculous. I remember. Oh, Mayor Wu's the one that had the exclusivity parties.

Is that that Mayor Wu? Yes. Very recently she had the holiday, the holiday parties, the no whites party. Yeah.

Yeah. The, the, the exclusivity only a holiday party. And then right like the, that weekend, right after that happened, she claims that she got swatted and that was in the news.

So to me, I don't think she got swatted. I think she made up some BS story to cover up the no whites party. Cause that was making big news.

I was, I was at my, I was at my parents' house watching Newsmax, I believe it was Newsmax and they were even covering it. Well I'm in Arizona, I heard it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So see, that was a big, that was a big one. And we never saw any footage from any swatting or anything. So I could, I could see that being bogus.

Yeah. Well, I've heard, I heard there was a huge number of swat, swattings going on over the holidays with a bunch of conservative people, at least. I'm sure there were some liberal as well, but I think Pesovic, was it Pesovic that was swatted? And a couple other people, so.

Oh yeah. I heard Marjorie Taylor Greene. She was, yeah, she was as well.

Okay. Yeah. So interesting, just weird stuff.

I don't know. It seems like, what kind of, why would, just seems like terror tactics for real, just ridiculous. Yeah.

That's the, that's the 2024 way to harass people, instead of calling and sending a bunch of pizzas to their house. Yeah, exactly. I know, it's like, what happened to good old 20 pizzas to your doorstep? Come on.

Yeah. Because now they don't do COD, now you got to pay it ahead of time. And you don't have the credit card.

That's, that's how they got you now. Okay, yeah. At least pay for your prank.

I'll pay, I'd pay for the prank, just for the prank, why not? It's worth it. Yeah. And, and now like, and people really like, you could get killed or hurt during one of those swattings.

Imagine, imagine the wrong person being swatted at the wrong time of day. Yeah. I mean, like an old lady or something.

You've got a very competent individual who protects his family, who thinks that he's being, he's being attacked. Yeah, it can go bad. Yeah.

I mean, something can go wrong for sure. And not, not, certainly not intentionally, but it can, it, it doesn't even make sense. You don't, you'd think like, hey, that guy seems like somebody we'd all know.

Maybe you look up the name on Facebook or something to see how many followers they have, or on X or something. And you're like, oh, that guy seems pretty popular. Maybe we should call him on the phone first, or send him a post or something, you know? But, um, no, let's, I'd rather just do it the other way.

There's, there's a disturbing lack of compassion going on. Like, you know, where that's how like the pizza prank turned into the swat and how a bickering disagreement turned into what happened at the Discovery Museum. You know, people just, they're just more angry.

They're more violent. They're, they don't care about how, what they do affects others. They, there's no, there's less of a gap between accountability and like, like causality.

I think we, we don't, we don't look at consequence anymore the same way. Yeah. And it's, it's, I gotta be honest.

I'm not one of these like video game conspiracy people. Cause I played video games growing up, but it is interesting at like, we could like jump off, fall off a building in a video game. We just hit the reset button and it's like, that's like someone's death in real life.

You know what I mean? That happens to someone, half the stuff that you do in a video game, you can't hit the reset button. And I'm not saying it desensitizes you to like not feeling, but it's certainly probably desensitizes you to actual it being a consequence, like an actual outcome that it's permanent. You know what I mean? I've, I've heard of people saying that about things like you all video games.

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Oh, I was way back when like Mortal Kombat came out. It was not the violence though. It's not that that does it.

It's the, uh, oh, so you're saying it's the, um, it's like that you can do something and there's no consequence. Well, I'm just saying you're playing Grand Theft Auto, right? You run across the street, you get hit by a car. Yep.

You just hit reset. Like there's nothing even that happens to you. Right.

So like when you think about doing something to someone, you don't really think about what actually that might happen. Like what that actually might feel like. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I don't mean violence begets violence thing. I don't mean it like that. I mean it more like in a, like, like a causality.

Like it's almost like, yeah, I could hit reset and everything's cool. Yeah. I think there's a problem where people are raised by the screen now and there's no real life situations where people do learn those concepts of accountability that more and more parents just sit their kids in front of the TV and, uh, let the TV raise them.

And, and that's kind of problematic, uh, which it's hard to blame some of them because now you have these situations where we're busy, the economy sucks and you got to work all the time. So economy's so good. I got three full-time jobs.

Yeah, exactly. And how much time do you get to spend with your family and your kids? It less and less. And that's not even talking, uh, say again, sorry.

Uh, less incentivization. We're not incentivized to do that anymore. Yeah.

And you used to be able to raise a family off of one income. Now both parents have to work if both parents are even around. Uh, if it's, if it's a single parent household, you got two households that have to be paid for one for each.

It's ridiculous. And, and I really think that this is the intent of the government of the communist manifesto, destroy the family unit, uh, breakup families, get families and people into, um, schools, which are slavery schools are basically prisons for kids that teach them to be obedient. Um, I, I was kind of a flunky in school.

Maybe that's the way why I am the way I am now. Um, and, uh, you have these kids sitting down all day, just being compared to each other via grades, dehumanizing them really just destroying the quality of life. Then you got the sick care system, pumping them full of pharmaceuticals.

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It's got the food system, pumping them full of pharmaceutical. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's all poison, man.

It's poison up and down the side, you know, it's disgusting. Like all these things come together to destroy the quality of life for Americans. So are you gainfully employed now on your, on your own? Or are you, no, what are you kind of doing now? What's what's what are you doing here? I've been basically doing the activism stuff.

Um, you know, I, I was fortunate enough to be a saver and I saved a lot of that money that I worked for. Um, I, I was never into buying expensive things. Um, I was just a saver and I keep my expenses low.

Um, so I've been spending most of my time doing activism. I, I'll of course do stuff about, um, this case. Um, Ilya has been, he didn't mention it, but he's been very generously supporting me pro bono, uh, representing his video on, I watched the video, the rumble video.

And once again, I encourage everyone to watch both videos that we'll post the links to, but watching him talk about the pro bono work, I I'm impressed. I'm, you know, he's a first generation American, or was he born in Russia? I believe he was born in Russia and then came over here at a very young age. Okay.

I'm a first generation American. So I was like blessed to be born here, but both my parents were born in Germany, met here. So.

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Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

And he's, uh, he's a workhorse man. He'll stay up all night writing emotion. He'll literally lose sleep over it.

He'll go to the court and like, he's ready to pass that. I'll be like, come to lunch and he'll be like, no, I need sleep. And he's doing all this, uh, pro bono and he's just super selfless.

Um, he agreed to take on the case pro bono from the very beginning. He's actually been like, he took on a couple of other cases pro bono and, um, he's been like running out of funds. That's what triggered me making the gift send to go.

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Yeah, absolutely. I need to keep my attorney alive so that he can keep representing food. I think is what it is, right? Yes.

We'll put those links in. So please feel free to share the organizations that you're affiliated with and Ilya's name and his, his attorney group and everything like that. I'll let you share all that information.

Then we can chat, chat some more, but I want to make sure we get that in before we, before we call it. Okay. Yeah.

What did you, what did you want me to, oh, so the, the, all your affiliated like groups, the, all of your activism groups or any links or any company, you know, anybody that you could share that we can, that we can, well, I, I kind of jump around all around new England and help out other groups. Um, uh, it's, it's usually just a rag tag group of us that go out and do a protest or we'll go to, um, the state house and testify in favor of, uh, bills to support medical freedom. Um, I'll go live on my Facebook every once in a while to, uh, um, show people what we're doing out in the field.

It's been cold lately, so not a protesting. Um, but I, I put a lot of stuff on my, uh, odyssey channel, my odyssey channels, where all my court videos are. Uh, we generously have, um, a woman from, uh, she, she's big on court recording, uh, organization, com film, COM, FLM.

Um, she comes in and records the court proceedings. She's agreed to come in and record when trial starts. That will be April 2nd at, um, in Concord, Massachusetts at the Concord district courthouse, 305 Walden street at 8 30 AM on April 2nd, um, 2024, 2024.

Yup. So coming up, coming right away. Yes.

Yeah. Yes. This has been a multi-year case.

Um, uh, I am on Twitter again. I just remade my Twitter. I know you said, uh, that, that old account is suspended, but if you look, if you look, I remade it, it's, uh, my handles at Kevin D Mackey zero now.

Okay. So I'll get it linked. Yeah.

There's not much on there. Just the attack video. Uh, I've got some, I've got some circles with some independent people, some libertarians and whatnot.

So I definitely can get the word around as much as I can. I'm not anybody really yet, but we'll get there. Well, I'll definitely share this when, when, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. So is there anything else you wanted to talk about to the or just something you wanted to share about your general thoughts about things? Uh, no, I'm just, uh, and I'm, I'm ready for trial now. Uh, uh, we have some prep work to do, uh, as far, there might be some appeal actions.

We might get the federal court involved, uh, maybe before trial. I don't know, but, um, this case has been dragging on for so long. It shouldn't even be happening at all.

I'm hoping that the jury is a common sense. It should have certainly been settled by now. Let's be honest that like you haven't had even the option of having a trial within a reasonable timeframe as an American citizen.

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Well, a lot of that is due to our defense motions. So I don't think that in, I don't think that implicates the, uh, Oh, that's okay. That doesn't implicate them.

It's just the other stuff that implicates them. Yeah. The, what is it? The, which amendment is that? I forget the right to a speedy trial.

Right. The right. Yeah.

The right to speed to try. I didn't want to. Yeah.

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Okay. So it's more of the defense motions that have kind of dragged it on, obviously, cause you've been fighting it the whole time, but, but that they're pushing the way they are. Obviously there's some force at play, right.

Or some kind of something going on. Oh yeah. They, they hate what we have to say.

Yeah. And, and if we were some other type of protesters, BLM or, or Antifa are some loved protesters by the government. I'm sure we would get the same, uh, coddling that Fred Smith did the attacker.

Right. And he is still on Twitter. Is that correct? I don't know where he is.

He was, I believe he used to be on Twitter and Facebook, but if he is still, I don't know where he is now. Well, it's a pretty common name. So it'd be fine.

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We'll be okay. Cool. Oh yeah.

Yeah. I know Smith, right? Yeah. Fred Smith.

He's lost in the woods. He's, he's, he's disappeared. Everybody.

He, back where he came from, he literally came out of the woods. I swear to God, I thought Alex Jones attacked you. I'm not looking, I'm not going to lie.

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Dude looked like Alex Jones, like on some drunken rampage. I'm not going to lie. But he, just like Ilya says, uh, he came out of the woods like a crazy Sasquatch.

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Crazy. And the, uh, the video that I just released on my Odyssey channel a few days ago, that one, uh, really breaks it down for people. Cause sometimes people are like, this happened too fast.

What the hell is this video? Ilya goes step-by-step and it's slowed down. And I think it's a really good, uh, showing of what happened. All right.

I'll direct link that one then. Uh, I'll, I'll try to look for some ones. If you have specific links, like I said, just send them to me.

I'm happy to, to, to share that. And like, thank you for sharing your story. I mean, it sounds like you, you, you boldly went where few go.

I mean, you put your job online and you pay for it with your job. That's, I don't know any further that you can go. I mean, it's like your livelihood.

Yeah. I'm hoping, I'm hoping that if something like this happens again, that it'll embolden other people to do that. Cause I think there's strength in numbers of people doing that.

Yeah. More people need to need to do it. I, I speak as much as I can.

And I, and like I said, I try to stay on top and I don't know, I haven't been pushed to my Lint to my line yet. So I don't know where it is. I'm not, you know, I'm not going to lie.

We all have a place that we're not going to push any further. I haven't gotten there yet. So I've been lucky that all my mouthing hasn't gotten me there yet.

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Well, and, and the mouth thing that you've done helps everybody else. You know, when, when somebody does do something and you bring awareness to it, that's necessary because if somebody it's like, if the tree falls in the woods and nobody's around to hear it, it's like, it didn't happen. So people like you and the other independent media people that are doing these kinds of things, that's, that's very needed.

And I thank you for doing this stuff and putting yourself out there in that way. Absolutely. I it's the least I can do.

I'm, I'm not the one making the actual fight. I'm just the one helping people express their fight. Well, that's part of it.

I wish, right. I wish there was more. I mean, I'm looking to get to a point where I can be more contributive, you know, but we'll get there.

So, well, Kevin, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for sharing your story and everything you went through and good luck. The, the trials April 2nd, you said April 2nd, 2024.

Yep. 2024. Okay.

And the, the give send go link shows the story and it's the place where people can donate is give send go.com slash act and assault. A C T O N A S S A U L T. Excellent. Cool.

Well, thank you again. I'm going to get this cut and try to put it up as quickly as I can. It takes a little while to load this stuff for me because I'm like a bear, you know skeleton budget, if you look behind you.

So, but I'll get it cobbled together. I'll get something recorded, but thank you so much. And thank you again to Ilya.

Do you have any closing words, anything else you want to share to people about one, one piece of advice you can give to anybody before we call it? No, I think we've said everything. Just keep up the fight. Keep up, keep speaking out.

Speech for sure. You know, the more people that do stuff like this and the more people that talk about stuff like this, this is how we change the culture to normalize logic and reality against this BS brainwashing. Yeah, absolutely.

All right. Well, Kevin, thank you so much. I really appreciate your time.

Okay. Thank you. It was a pleasure.