Dive into the fascinating world of the Enneagram with The League of Ordinary Frens, where we explore the nine distinct personality types that shape how we think, feel, and connect. Each episode unravels the motivations, fears, and growth paths of these archetypes through expert insights, real-life stories, and practical tips. Whether you’re new to the Enneagram or a seasoned enthusiast, join us to deepen your self-awareness, enhance your relationships, and unlock your true potential. Tune in and discover the blueprint of your inner world!
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(0:09) I guess we have an intro, guys, because I didn’t do that. (0:30) Well, that was fun. (0:32) That was interesting.(0:33) I forgot my whiskey. (0:35) I didn’t do it. (0:37) I don’t drink, but it’s nice.(0:40) Jason, can you take over from now on? (0:41) I quit. (0:43) Yes, sir. (0:45) I guess this is it by whiskey, everybody.(0:47) Welcome to another episode. (0:48) Welcome to friends. (0:49) We’re friends having whiskey.(0:50) If by friends, you mean a group of people drinking whiskey. (0:54) If by whiskey. (0:56) Welcome everybody.(0:57) There’s a little bit. (0:58) There’s a little spill. (0:59) And a lion tea counts, right? (1:01) Absolutely.(1:02) Absolutely. (1:03) All right. (1:04) Well, welcome, everybody.(1:05) Welcome. (1:05) Welcome. (1:06) Welcome.(1:06) We’ve got a league of ordinary friends today. (1:09) We’ve got Andrew. (1:12) Andrew.(1:12) Do you want to pass it off, Andrew, and we’ll go in a circle for you. (1:16) Let’s go. (1:17) Come on, Zach.(1:18) I am Zach. (1:20) You know what I realized is the pointing. (1:24) When you watch the recording later, it’s different.(1:27) It’s off. (1:28) It’s opposite. (1:29) I point up, right, left, everybody.(1:34) Everyone. (1:35) It’s already bad. (1:37) We got Jason down here at DropTheMaskPod on X and on Rumble, DropTheMaskPod.(1:45) We’ve got Andrew. (1:46) Andrew. (1:47) Andrew, can you give us your handle? (1:48) I know it’s at AIConan something.(1:50) It’s- (1:51) At AIConan90. (1:53) Conan90. (1:53) It’s from Detective Conan.(1:54) Definitely on X. (1:56) And then, Zach, you are Legacy. (1:57) Is it Legacy underscore? (2:00) Yeah. (2:00) At Legacy underscore Z-A-K.(2:03) Z-A-K. (2:03) All right. (2:04) So, we are the friends.(2:05) We’re sans Sean today. (2:07) We’re missing him. (2:08) I’m going to pour one out for my homie.(2:10) He’s been working, so we’re actually happy for him. (2:14) Very excited. (2:14) Because if he’s not podcasting, it means he’s painting or working, so kudos.(2:18) He’s making money. (2:19) He’s paying the bills. (2:21) Exactly.(2:21) How’s everybody doing today? (2:23) I’m doing pretty good. (2:25) All right. (2:26) How are you guys doing? (2:26) So, like a month and a half ago, Andrew, you’ve been bombarding us with doing this, man.(2:32) You’ve been like a four-year-old tugging on our pant leg. (2:36) All right. (2:36) What are we talking about today, my friend? (2:39) Oh, man.(2:41) Yes. (2:42) We’re talking about the Enneagrams, right? (2:47) Yeah. (2:47) So, Enneagrams came up.(2:48) So, what is the fascination or where did you start getting into this realm of Enneagrams (2:55) and what did it mean for you? (2:57) Well, I mean, I’m not sure exactly. (2:59) I remember when we kind of basically came across it and I sent it to Zach and he didn’t (3:05) really take too much onto it. (3:07) But, you know, once I get something, I started digging.(3:11) Once I started getting something interested in it, I just dig into it and dig into it (3:16) and I just never stop until I get bored of it. (3:18) It’s a habit of mine. (3:20) But it’s basically a study of confirmation bias.(3:26) You know, the stress we experience, you know, the great training from our childhood and (3:32) how it guides us for the rest of our lives. (3:36) Yeah. (3:36) Yeah.(3:36) And it is curious if some of that’s genetic or if it, right, nurture nature thing, there’s (3:40) a little bit of both. (3:41) Probably there’s probably generic genetic dispositions to be certain ways as well to (3:45) have certain behaviors and traits. (3:47) And Zach, when Andrew brought that to you, what went through your head about doing it? (3:51) Were you pretty excited to like learn more about yourself or? (3:54) Pretty dumb.(3:58) What is this game? (3:59) Shut up. (4:00) All right. (4:00) Well, thanks, guys.(4:01) It’s been a great episode. (4:02) Have a good night, everybody. (4:05) It’s a it’s a little, little Santanic for my.(4:10) Bye, Andrew. (4:12) What? (4:14) Wow. (4:14) Is he? (4:15) No, he’s not gone.(4:16) There he is. (4:17) We’re going to play shuffle. (4:18) We’re going to play shuffle games with everybody.(4:20) I’ll just everybody in a circle. (4:22) Well, you said we’re done. (4:27) Dial down the autism, brother.(4:30) Hmm. (4:31) Yeah. (4:31) Zach.(4:32) So you just thought it was dumb. (4:33) I love that. (4:35) It’s a great way to start.(4:37) I didn’t look more into it. (4:40) I’m very Jungian in the concepts of psychology. (4:46) But as you look further into it, I’m also it it fails to underline with it if I fail (4:54) to mesh it with my Christianity as well.(4:56) So that’s. (5:00) It’s a little tough to kind of narrow it down. (5:04) But once you once you start to actually delve a little bit into it even further, you can (5:12) branch out from the concepts of Carl Jung’s ideas, the ego, super ego and the id coming (5:20) from drawing from Freud and then exasperated and overexplained by Jung in, I think, a better, (5:27) more positive way.(5:29) You can branch that idea of the superego, the ego, the id into nine different facets (5:36) of different personalities that you either have subconsciously your you don’t necessarily (5:46) know what’s going on inside you, but you do. (5:52) Everybody does. (5:56) You just don’t know how to necessarily express it.(6:00) You said something very interesting. (6:02) You said there’s a challenge with it meshing with your faith. (6:07) That fascinates me.(6:08) Could you explain a little bit what that means? (6:11) Because I don’t I don’t have faith like you do. (6:14) We’ve discussed it. (6:15) I admire it.(6:16) I think it’s amazing. (6:17) I just don’t share it. (6:18) So how does how does this kind of clash with with that, like the motivators? (6:22) Is it because the motivators are different than like God’s desire for you or God’s plan (6:28) or how not necessarily what it what it kind of portrays is on a more secularized, the (6:36) more secular secularized society that we live in, it seems like it’s more programmed into (6:44) allowing individuals to play God themselves and try to play around with where they should (6:51) be or what this and that is sort of like the law of attraction.(6:55) Right. (6:55) Which I I simply do agree that there is something very similar to the secret, but you have to (7:04) work for it. (7:05) And there’s always a plan that we have in the eyes of the Lord.(7:10) There’s a purpose for us to be on this planet, but we have to we have to figure it out once (7:17) we do. (7:18) We don’t know when we we we will never know when we do. (7:21) We may never, ever know what what our actual purpose is.(7:26) But the journey is the fun thing, right? (7:30) So I like this. (7:31) I like the discovery. (7:33) Every time something new comes up, Myers Briggs, Big Five, this it’s all it’s all interesting.(7:40) So, so, Jason, you took the test for the first time, you not done Enneagram before. (7:45) Have you done any personality or anything like that for like work? (7:48) Like where they predict event text, like the PI told me I have no personality. (7:52) So that was interesting.(7:56) No, yeah, I have I’ve done some I’ve done like the Myers Briggs and the Big Five and (8:01) all that. (8:01) So, yeah, but Enneagram was completely new to me. (8:06) All right, cool.(8:07) So did you take it by yourself when you took it or did you have your wife help you? (8:12) I took it for myself. (8:14) I had my wife do one for her also, which was cool. (8:17) So hopefully you should have shared that.(8:19) I wish. (8:19) Did you share with me? (8:21) I should have pulled that up just to pull it. (8:22) I didn’t.(8:23) She’s a four. (8:24) I forgot the wing. (8:26) Wing three or two, three or five.(8:28) So interesting. (8:30) Very cool. (8:31) Yeah.(8:31) So, you know, Megan took hers, too, and I’ll share hers. (8:34) She was a six wing five. (8:35) But anyway, but we’ll get to that.(8:37) We’ll get to all that. (8:38) But yeah. (8:39) So when you took it, what did you what did you find out about yourself? (8:44) Did you find it interesting or accurate or I did? (8:49) Yes.(8:49) Mostly accurate. (8:50) I found it. (8:52) I always think those are because a lot of people will tend to answer like things that (8:58) they want people to know about or like they want to believe about themselves, but aren’t (9:03) necessarily true.(9:03) I feel like if you have some of the TISM, you can be extremely self-aware. (9:09) So I felt like I was pretty honest with it. (9:12) And no, it’s not surprising as an unbiased guy.(9:16) I’m totally self-aware. (9:17) Yeah. (9:17) So I’m very humble as well.(9:20) Yeah. (9:22) Well, the TISM is off the scale for you. (9:24) So, yeah, it’s definitely better.(9:26) Yeah. (9:27) So, no, those are always interesting because then there’s some questions where you’re just (9:31) like, oh, this is a huge struggle because I like I’m both somehow I am both of these (9:38) things. (9:38) Yes and no.(9:40) Yeah, I found it interesting because what it was, was I took it, I gave my girlfriend (9:45) the answer. (9:46) She’s like, that’s not what you are. (9:48) You’re this.(9:48) And I’m like, well, so I let her take it and she got exactly what she said I was. (9:53) And I’m like, OK, what kind of bias is in this test to your point, right? (9:58) Like I want to be a certain way. (10:00) Now I clip both of them because I want you guys to figure out which one I actually tested (10:05) as and which one she said I was, because it’s really interesting because they’re not they’re (10:10) similar, but they’re not that they are different.(10:12) One sticks out a lot and it’s just interesting. (10:14) So that’d be fun. (10:15) But here’s my prediction on that.(10:18) We’re going to pick the wrong one because the the persona that you put out for this, (10:24) the live, the thing is the thing that you want to be out there, the thing you want to believe. (10:27) So I predict that we’re going to pick the wrong one and point it at you. (10:32) All right.(10:32) I, I will take that challenge. (10:34) I bet you’re going to nail it. (10:37) OK, I will bet one.(10:38) I will bet dollars. (10:39) No. (10:39) So if you’re honest with yourself, I know you’re going to pick the one that you think (10:43) is like, oh, my gosh, that’s exactly what I think.(10:46) But anyway, so I did. (10:48) So I watched I watched all you guys. (10:50) They found them really interesting.(10:51) So so, Andrew, do you want to go through a little bit of the history of this part? (10:55) Or like where how did the Enneagram come come to be in everything? (10:58) Well, I mean, I don’t we were reading this book, the any of the Christian perspective (11:07) and they’re talking about how it basically, you know, the foundations of it come from (11:11) like mysticism, mysticism from from the far east, right, from from the what the Sunnis (11:19) and Sufis. (11:22) Yeah. (11:22) Yeah.(11:25) And that’s actually something I’ve always been interested in, because like I’m a big (11:29) fan of the old radio program called The Shadow. (11:31) And that’s where he says he picked up his skills in the radio. (11:35) I mean, this is just a drama, right, from the 1920s and 1930s.(11:39) But that is something that people have always talked about, how the people able to move (11:45) between the crowds and not be noticed. (11:47) And this this is definitely something that if you wanted to do something like that, you (11:52) could you could learn it and do it that way. (11:55) But it’s not it’s not in the literal interpretation of being become cloaked and invisible.(12:02) It’s more just I know how to read people and what to do with, you know, to do whatever (12:06) my goals are. (12:08) Yeah. (12:09) And it’s about the piggyback on that.(12:12) And the modern take of the enneagram on a historical perspective probably takes its (12:19) stand around the 1920s, 1930s, maybe a little earlier. (12:25) But as it peaks, it’s definitely coming into the 20th century. (12:31) It’s like psychic phenomenon, all that kind of stuff, because it kind of looks almost (12:36) like pentagram.(12:37) Either way, it’s kind of drawn up and stuff. (12:39) It kind of looks like something Zach has pointed out to me several times. (12:43) It is a pentagram.(12:44) It’s not. (12:45) There it is. (12:46) Here he goes.(12:47) All right. (12:49) All right. (12:50) Right.(12:52) Now, I mean, it’s if you’re building a house, you have to be able to, you know, have stable (12:57) structure. (12:58) Right. (12:58) And that’s that’s the way it’s designed.(13:00) It’s it’s not a pentagram, but it’s designed to I can’t remember what exactly they call (13:06) it in the book. (13:08) But it’s just supposed to be like a foundation. (13:11) It’s it’s funny how fads come up, you know, I mean, like you like, oh, like they start (13:15) getting into like shapes and structures and geometric patterns and stuff.(13:19) And sometimes like sometimes cultural things like these kinds of ideas are appealing (13:23) because of what they look like on paper. (13:26) You know what I mean? Like because it just looks kind of cool. (13:28) Yeah.Anyway, so does anybody have any thoughts before we start tearing in everybody’s (13:33) psyche? Because some of these videos are pretty funny. (13:37) I had to dig for Zach’s and I’ll explain that offline, Zach, but I had to find a different (13:41) one than the one I have for everybody else, because this one woman does like all these (13:45) different enneagram ones. (13:46) So.All right. (13:47) So let’s go through some of the hilarious. (13:50) What’s that? She was hilarious, though.(13:53) She was hilarious. She’s she’s phenomenal. (13:55) So what we’ll do is we’ll go through some of these and I’ve got it through the hour and (14:00) we’ll go through like some of the types.(14:02) Does anyone want to take the first three types and kind of explain those? (14:07) I mean, I’ll do it if you guys are interested in doing it. (14:11) Yeah. Yeah.OK, hold on. (14:13) Do you see the one that has the picture I have shared is multiple colors there. (14:18) Can you pull that up? Let me see that one.(14:24) And it’s a green, blue and red. (14:27) Oh, yeah. OK, I see it.(14:29) Well, what the heck did you do to me, Andrew? (14:31) Holy mackerel. Well, I’m sorry. (14:33) This is a this is a diagram.(14:37) It’s got different, different information here. (14:42) Give me a quiz after this, everybody. (14:43) So pay attention.I’m going to email everybody that’s watching. (14:46) This is a sin and different sections. (14:50) But the one is the reformer.(14:52) Right. So this is a sin. (14:54) Fearing of being wrong, bad, evil, irresponsible, inaccurate or corrupt.(15:00) Two is the helper, fear of being worthless, useless, (15:04) unneeded, immutable and inconsequential. (15:08) And three is vanity. (15:10) Achiever is fear of being inefficient, unsuccessful, (15:15) unmasked, incapable, unable to do, unable to act (15:19) unmasked and unable to perform.(15:23) All right. Oh, well, I guess we know you’re waiting. (15:25) You’re unmasked.(15:26) Did someone drop the mask? (15:27) Did someone say, wait, wait, I’m not I’m not afraid of being unmasked. (15:30) So never mind. That’s the opposite.(15:32) It’s true. You’re not afraid, man. (15:34) You ripped it right off, my friend.(15:36) Oh, by the way, before we can before we continue, I have to. (15:41) It’s unbelievable. (15:42) But I’m on Facebook today and I put up a meme (15:46) of a tinfoil hat and a cloth mask.(15:49) And I said, it looks like the tinfoil hat was safer than the mask. (15:54) There is someone still arguing (15:57) that the masks and the six feet and the W.H.O. (16:01) no more than I would ever know about these things. (16:04) And we can get to that.(16:06) Officially debunked, even like on real media. (16:10) They’ve been debunked. (16:11) Even what is wrong with Boomer Nation on Facebook? (16:14) And we can we can dive into that when we jump into the next three.(16:20) What did I tell you about Facebook, man? (16:25) But I love those people on Facebook. (16:27) They crack me up. (16:28) But I love my space.(16:29) I mean, come on. (16:30) It’s where all the all the political discourses on my space is the best. (16:34) You mean Tom alone at work? (16:36) Tom’s my friend.(16:37) What’s what’s funny is my space still is this. (16:41) It does. It’s actually amazing.(16:43) It’s that Justin Timberlake bought it for like five million or so. (16:46) It’s some interesting story on. (16:48) Yeah.Anybody. (16:50) Anyway, so, Zach, you want to take the next three? (16:53) Four is the individualists. (16:56) Envy.The fear of (17:02) being inadequate amongst other people, (17:05) while at the same time striving to be better than what they (17:10) what they perceive themselves to be. (17:14) Five is the investigator. (17:16) They are.Typically, the one I’m trying not to read off the slide, but. (17:22) No worries. No one take it off your head.(17:24) Yeah, because I’m trying to I’m trying to bring it to my my own words, (17:28) but they have a they have a general fear of. (17:32) Not wanting to be wrong. (17:35) And so they will always try to maintain (17:39) the correctness and they will explore and they will observe (17:43) and they will try to get to the highest peak, (17:46) even if it brings themselves or everybody else around them down, (17:52) even if it takes it, even if it alienates them from everybody else.(17:58) They will continue to investigate and make sure that they are correct. (18:04) Six, they have the what? (18:08) I can’t I can’t seem to get the cultist. (18:12) Six is the loyalist.(18:13) Yes, six is loyalist. (18:15) Yes, six is the loyalist, which effectively you (18:19) that is your cultist personality. (18:22) I mean, they have the fear of.(18:24) Not being secure, and so they’ll follow anyone (18:28) that is the strong man, think MAGA or think (18:34) the left or just think politics, period. (18:37) Why aren’t you wearing a mask? (18:39) Yeah. It’s speaking of the mask thing.(18:42) I mean, the tinfoil hat mask meme and them still arguing that (18:47) the the mask is still safer. (18:50) You’re stupid. (18:51) Why are you telling? (18:52) Why are you saying that, Mark? (18:53) The mask saves lives.(18:58) Put the mask on and stay six feet away from me. (19:02) And that’s effectively that’s what a six is. (19:07) Are you ready for this, my friend? (19:08) Are you ready for the here it is? (19:09) Here’s here’s the official.(19:11) The World Health Organization recommended the use of mass (19:14) to keep covid from spreading. (19:16) The mask did not protect the wearer, (19:18) but those around them since the virus was airborne. (19:22) When I saw people not wearing masks, I thought they were the most inconsiderate (19:27) people who did not care if they made those around them sick.(19:31) That’s today. (19:33) This is this is literally this morning. (19:37) Twenty twenty five.(19:39) Don’t make grandma sick. (19:41) They still guys, once again, these Enneagram things, (19:43) all of these things that we share, all of the information tells you one thing. (19:49) Eliminate the state.(19:50) That’s all it tells you, OK? (19:52) Because we tell you all the different ways that they tell us what to do (19:56) and how to do it and where to go and how to be. (19:59) And they just twist it all around and then they shit it back out on us. (20:03) And then you have a person in on April in April of twenty twenty five (20:07) telling me that masks were effective, not for the not for the way, (20:12) not for the wearer, but the people around them (20:14) because it worked only one way, apparently.(20:17) What? This is so silly. (20:19) Anyway, so that’s your cultist. All right.(20:21) You’re loyal. It’s got it. (20:23) You want to close them out at all, Zach, since we’re we’re on a roll here, my friend.(20:27) I mean, I can. (20:29) I mean, unless Jason, you guys want to take it. (20:32) Anybody answer, you can take it over.(20:35) I mean, I don’t think you wanted me to do it or you want to do it. (20:42) I think you’re on mute. I can’t hear you.(20:44) He’s on mute again. He did it again. (20:46) He did a Jason.God damn it. (20:48) I’m going to call it the Jason from now on, because I think you do that more and more. (20:53) No way.OK, maybe recently. (20:55) Yeah, it was always you, man. (20:58) You figured it out.I’m regressing anyway. (21:02) Yes. Let me do it.(21:03) Type seven, the enthusiast desire for freedom, a fear of being trapped, (21:07) fear of being they put the fear as gluttony on here, the fear of being (21:11) incomplete, inferior, limited, confused, missing out. (21:15) Number eight, the challenger, somebody who really wants control, (21:19) somebody who’s doesn’t want to be vulnerable. (21:23) That’s kind of the the opposite, right? (21:24) If you’re out of control, that means you’re vulnerable.(21:27) You’re you’re powerless. You’re weak. (21:30) So and then you round it out.(21:33) Number nine, the peacemaker fear of conflict. (21:37) That’s kind of what this is, afraid of being (21:40) maybe shut out because they think if they have a conflict that they will be (21:45) kind of pushed out of the out of the in group, you know? (21:50) Yeah, that’s where we are. (21:52) All right.So those are all of them. (21:55) Anybody have any more comments on any of those or anything we need to go into? (21:59) And the round from we pull from each section, (22:02) the red section, the green section and the blue section there. (22:06) And you have a concentrated area.(22:09) They call it try fixation or try fix. (22:12) Is that is that this guy or the. (22:17) Well, that’s the sin or the, you know, the.(22:21) Well, we’re going to need a little bit. (22:23) The the the one that the first one that you pulled up, the green, blue. (22:27) I got a lot.One. All right. (22:30) Oh, you still need the green, blue and the red one? (22:32) Yeah, that’s what I’m saying.(22:34) And you pull. So (22:37) you’ll either have eight, nine or one (22:40) fixed fixed in that particular direction. (22:43) Think about it as, you know, eight and one is different.(22:50) You see. You see this different methods of action, right? (22:55) I’m going to either reform or I’m going to take control myself. (22:58) And then nine is kind of the moderate or indifferent.(23:02) They just want to be left alone and live their life. (23:06) The red section pride that supports and value section. (23:10) So two is pride.(23:12) The helper three, like I said, is the achiever. (23:16) And four is the individualist. (23:18) And it’s motivations as to how, (23:22) you know, the territory of your emotions and how you (23:26) the emotional trauma you experienced and your reaction to it.(23:31) And then the blue section is the fear and (23:36) the fear section, and that’s how you think. Right. (23:39) So five, like Zack said, is the investigator.(23:43) Six is a loyalist and seven is the enthusiast. (23:47) And it’s basically a strategies that you would have to, you know, (23:52) get yourself through life and (23:55) just try to get ahead and maintain stability. (24:01) Yeah.So we took this interesting quiz. (24:04) Oh, sorry. Jump.Who’s jumping in? (24:05) There’s a reason why that there’s nine. (24:10) Some would say that maybe there’s eight. (24:12) But when you get to nine, the peacemaker, (24:16) you can take each piece from one through eight, combine it with nine (24:21) and realize this is on a Christian sense.(24:26) All of these pieces come from God (24:29) and God is every one of these enogram (24:33) types rolled up in one culminating at nine. (24:40) Interesting. So.(24:42) So it’s interesting because we talk about like the sins of the enneagram, right? (24:46) But there’s only there’s seven deadly, but there’s nine total enneagram. (24:51) Do you guys know which is the one that’s is it? (24:55) We’re missing. (24:57) We’re missing fear and.(25:01) I’m blanking on the other one, but fear (25:05) because we got to envy, we got pride, we’ve got. (25:08) I think. Oh, well, fear is cowardice, right? (25:11) I would guess.Yeah. Yeah. (25:16) Yes.Fear and deceit. (25:19) Fear and deceit are the two missing deadly sins. (25:22) You can you can effectively roll this into nine (25:26) different categories of of sins, the two worst being deceit and fear.(25:32) But there are not collectively within the seven deadly sins. (25:37) Interesting. All right.(25:39) So. But at the at the other ring, at the at the other end, (25:44) at the other on the other side of things, (25:47) you also have set the seven virtues, six or seven virtues (25:53) that actually Thomas Aquinas. (25:56) He he.Professed, he studied and realized as well. (26:03) So you kind of have this parallel between the two. (26:06) You’re trying to seek your virtuous life.(26:10) You’re trying to do good. (26:12) You’re trying to figure out where you need to be (26:15) in order to reach that high conscious level or that state of perfection (26:20) and paradise. (26:22) But at the same time, we all are human (26:25) and we all are going to sin and fold and back up (26:31) into a into a corner and.(26:33) Get ourselves into some nefarious ordeals. (26:40) Excellent. Well, I want to welcome everyone again.(26:43) We’ve got 20 people on doing some Enneagram stuff. (26:45) We’ve got William on. I am for I am.(26:49) We had a banger of a podcast about intellectual property. (26:52) And for some reason, Jason, are we ahead of the curve or are we behind it? (26:55) Because you and Matthew talked about it. (26:57) And now all I see is intellectual property stuff.(27:00) What’s going on with that? (27:03) And it’s me, I hate to admit it, but I am the world’s biggest trendsetter. (27:08) You are. Jack Dorsey tweeted out.(27:09) Elon Musk agreed to lead all IP law. (27:12) I think he had to watch our show. (27:16) If it’s on X, he has to watch the law.(27:19) Yeah, I think you watch you and Matthew first, to be honest. (27:22) Of course. Yeah.At first. (27:24) You’re the catalyst, my friend. (27:26) So thank you again, William, for joining us.(27:29) I know we’re going to do some other show with William in the very in the future. (27:32) Well, I don’t even know we have going on, but we got Joel, too. (27:35) We’ve talked about having Joel on and Mike Decentralize.(27:38) We’ve talked as well. (27:39) So we got a couple of names that we got to get together. (27:42) We’ll figure it all out.(27:43) But I don’t even know what we talk about. (27:45) I guess we could talk about Abraham Lincoln. (27:49) Yeah, that’s Joel’s favorite.(27:52) Joel’s favorite topic. (27:54) No, it’s weird on the thing, though. (27:56) This is not this is not a new concept, right? (27:58) This like libertarians have been saying this for a long, long time, (28:02) especially the anarchist leaning ones.(28:05) So I don’t I really don’t know why all of a sudden it’s such a big hot topic. (28:10) Well, I sander Spooner was talking about back to the eighteen hundreds. (28:14) Yeah, there you go.Yeah. (28:16) Yeah. So so what? (28:18) Well, with the IP, so I was wondering about the lock stuff.(28:20) What what was Locke was Locke? (28:22) What would you label him as? (28:24) What was his communist? (28:29) You know, I mean, I’m I’m I’m honestly, yeah, I’m honestly looking. (28:35) I look back in history and I look at the Enlightenment era (28:37) and I look at the where we’re at in today’s day and age with society. (28:42) And I really do think that we fucked up with the Enlightenment.(28:49) Yeah. Well, reason, right? (28:50) Explain what you mean by that. (28:54) Well, out of the out of what is seemingly good, (28:59) there’s always a fallback and we always comes full circle.(29:05) And through what we term what is classical liberalism. (29:10) Came the liberal revolution of the French (29:16) in the latter half of the 18th century, the Jacobin (29:19) or Jacobin or whatever you want to whatever they call it. (29:23) I don’t know that.(29:24) That essentially was your first socialist revolution. (29:28) And it parallels with the Bolsheviks in 1917 (29:34) for which even Lenin actually draw takes his drawback on. (29:39) Is that what we call the Enlightenment, though? (29:41) Right.Because that’s the question is reason is reason. (29:44) The cause of the way that they use the reason to create social policies. (29:50) It’s not the reason itself.(29:51) It’s the way humans used it. Right. (29:55) I think so.Well, I think I think human beings are very complex, (30:01) but yet very simple. I mean, and. (30:05) We don’t really know exactly what we want.(30:08) We think we do, but we don’t necessarily know what we want. (30:12) And on an individual level, sure, you can be as very (30:16) you can utilize reason and logic and come to (30:21) insightful conclusions. (30:23) But then you have to deal with the core group, which we’re all (30:26) we are a social creature base.(30:28) We we live and thrive in society. (30:31) And so we do collectivize, (30:34) whether it’s family, community or. (30:38) A structure of your town or your city or whatever, (30:42) and you go from there.(30:45) What are your thoughts on that, Jason, on the alignment, (30:48) because you sound like you were sparked. (30:53) I honestly. Yeah.(30:57) You’ll have to this is really stupid. (30:58) You’ll have to tell me what you (31:01) are calling the enlightenment. (31:03) What do you mean by that? (31:06) I’m calling the enlightenment a mistake.(31:08) Only. Yeah. (31:09) Only for the fact that we’re talking about the reason came up, right? (31:12) All those ideology like the Nietzsche stuff or what are we talking about? (31:16) Is I think is what you’re saying, right, Jason? (31:18) Yeah.Yeah. What is the enlightenment where human beings thought they were God? (31:29) And expanded like a specific time, a point in time. (31:32) I’m not a specific point in time.(31:36) Well, yeah, I think that’s what it is, Zach. (31:38) I think you’re looking existentially. (31:39) And I think I think Jason’s just trying to nail down when so we can talk about it.(31:43) Like, yeah, his story, his historically speaking, (31:46) the enlightenment is anywhere between the 17th and the 18th century. (31:50) Some would say the the latter half of where our modern age (31:55) relapse or lapses from the from the end of the Enlightenment (31:59) would be around like maybe 1815, 1820, (32:03) but about the late 17th century throughout the 20th century. (32:07) And this is kind of like the explosion of scientific breakthroughs (32:12) and liberalism and all that, right? (32:15) That’s that’s what we mean by it.(32:17) Well, on the modern sense, on the modern sense. (32:19) But we’ve we’ve had explosions of different knowledge increase in society. (32:24) Throughout the history of humankind.(32:26) And then we kind of drop down onto another level playing and and go backwards. (32:34) I definitely can argue. I think we’ve regressed.(32:36) I think there have been civilizations here before. (32:39) So now we have people. (32:40) I think this is what you’re referring to, that where it went wrong.(32:42) Now we have people who are thinking that we can (32:46) fundamentally alter human nature in order to make this perfect man (32:50) and make basically a socialist society work, (32:54) because everyone will be kind of subservient, right? (32:58) Yeah. Yeah. Because, I mean, out of out of the Enlightenment, (33:01) especially with talking heads like Charles Foray and Rousseau (33:06) and the latter, even John Locke, I mean, all with great things to say.(33:13) Don’t get me wrong. (33:15) But then you got Marx. (33:19) So I just wanted to know because I feel really stupid.(33:25) I’ve always heard this term, the Enlightenment. (33:27) And then I never really thought about exactly what it meant. (33:31) Like, I just kind of glossed over it.(33:32) I like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The Enlightenment.Sure. Of course. (33:34) But I never really asked, like, what what exactly is it? (33:38) So thank you.(33:41) No, no, that’s a great question, because I get I get how I would do like time (33:44) for it would be like you had dark ages coming out of like the (33:47) dissolution of Rome, right? (33:49) And you had the Renaissance, which arise. (33:51) And then the the Enlightenment was like a like a pop. (33:54) Like it literally almost split.(33:56) Now, what I’d argue, though, is a lot of the libertarian principles (33:59) come out of freethought, which was actually an atheist mindset. (34:04) So are you is it really odd? (34:07) I don’t know. Odd’s the right word.(34:09) But is it odd that libertarians now come from a freethought, (34:13) which actually is atheist, but many libertarians have a self, (34:16) you know, faith of some sort as a structure for their lives? (34:21) Well, I think here in the here in the West, I think there’s a (34:24) there’s a reason for that one. (34:26) Western culture and Christianity is is so extremely high here in the West. (34:32) I mean, it’s been it’s been dwindled, (34:34) but it actually is making a comeback, surprisingly enough.(34:39) Another is. (34:43) If you look back to Thomas Aquinas. (34:47) And what he studied, (34:50) you also have thinkers like (34:53) St. Thomas more as well.(34:56) So thinkers like this, philosophers that were astute in religious esteem, (35:03) they were priests themselves because you kind of had to be back then. (35:08) Either that or you were a peasant or born in nobility, which most priests were. (35:12) Noble came most.(35:14) I would I would assume priest priesthood would allow you to read, right? (35:18) To to get educated. (35:19) And if you were a peasant, you couldn’t get that. (35:21) So the only way to get (35:24) to expand your understanding of anything would be to go through that.(35:29) I wouldn’t say that peasants probably didn’t know how to read. (35:32) I mean, they knew some variation of how to read to a certain extent. (35:37) I mean, like, you know, a lot of the you know, when the king of the church (35:40) was also, you know, the king was the head of the church as well.(35:42) It could be like, oh, it says here in this piece of paper that it can do this. (35:46) You’re like, oh, OK, sure. (35:47) You know, you know how that works.(35:49) We we do it today. We still do it today. (35:52) We’re still everybody.(35:53) Six foot separation. Stay six feet apart. (35:55) It’s still off the mass.(35:57) Mm hmm. (35:58) Hey, on the Christianity thing, I know this is a departure (36:01) from how I love going further off the rails here, but what do you think (36:05) of Douglas Murray’s position that (36:09) if Israel falls, we lose Western civilization? (36:14) Let it fall. (36:16) That’s the marketing.(36:18) But that doesn’t have anything to do with Christianity. (36:22) So like a lot of times people talk about Judeo-Christian values. (36:26) We have these things and they’re in intricately linked.(36:30) Right. But is that true? (36:32) Is he just full of shit? (36:34) Is there anything we’re talking about there? (36:36) I think for him, he’s just a talking head, so he’s driving a narrative. (36:42) So it is marketing, as Andrew said.(36:45) On my level of Christianity, though, I do believe the Jews are truly (36:49) the chosen people. (36:51) They need to they need to come home. (36:53) Where are they? I do not know, though.(36:56) I don’t believe that the Jews that are in Israel are those (36:59) those Jews that are of the diaspora. (37:02) I think they’re just a bunch of fake converts that used it to grow (37:09) infiltrate, grow and gain power and influence. (37:13) And Israel, as the state that it is today since 1949, is more of a (37:20) banking and economic vassal to give Europe a foothold (37:26) finally in the Middle East that they’ve been waiting for for for hundreds of years.(37:31) It’s one of the many reasons why the Crusades was fought, (37:34) although there was a positive where the the original First Crusade (37:39) was called to stop the Muslim Arabs from ransacking pilgrims (37:43) and pilgrims and telling him to go home. (37:47) First one was, yeah, the first one. (37:50) The first one.Yeah. (37:51) But after that, it’s like, yeah, after that, it’s a little muddled. (37:57) Yeah, because I was about to be like, but no, but the Muslims attacked first (38:01) and they went to eradicate the world.(38:02) You don’t get it. (38:04) But I’m a when you read a little bit of Revelations, too, (38:10) and understand the apocalypse, the apocalyptic (38:14) ideas of the Bible in that John wrote, (38:19) you start putting two to two kind of together. (38:22) And I will agree.(38:23) And it even says it directly as well. (38:27) Revelations two, three, I believe. (38:30) But the synagogue is Satan, man.(38:32) I’m going to I’m going to I’m bringing the spirit of Sean is still with us. (38:37) So Israel is the synagogue is Satan. (38:41) Yeah.So, OK, to to that point, that’s a great question, Jason. (38:46) And I there are canaries in the coal mine of like democracies and things like that. (38:54) I. I will once again, let me premise, my grandfather was a Nazi soldier, (38:58) so take that as you will.(39:00) I’m biased in one way or another, I guess. (39:03) But I know my grandfather was in Hitler. (39:06) Yes, that Israel was not.(39:09) Israel is not the Middle Eastern (39:13) Israeli, like the, you know, Jordan, (39:17) Israel are not the the the Jews in Israel, like the ones in Jerusalem. (39:22) They are Europeans that came there. (39:25) Daryl Cooper’s book, Daryl Cooper’s Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem (39:29) is absolutely amazing.(39:32) And it breaks down the story of a collusion between banking (39:37) and the West to create this thing and put it there. (39:41) Now, we can argue we wanted a foothold there. (39:44) And obviously, it’s the best what air carrier aircraft carrier we have in the (39:47) in the world.(39:48) But the other side of that is like. (39:52) It doesn’t represent the West. (39:55) It’s I mean, it’s it’s a nation’s (39:58) just like any other that if it were to go under, (40:01) it’s because it was poorly managed.(40:04) But it’s it’s like it’s you don’t understand. (40:07) It’s a democracy. (40:08) You know, it’s like the union.(40:12) It’s it’s it’s just like, say, Sony is a company, right? (40:16) They’re they’re interested in, you know, planning 100 years out. (40:21) Well, these are countries, these aren’t companies. (40:23) So they’re interested in maintaining territorial gain (40:27) at an extraordinarily slow rate.(40:31) But they are interested in gaining that territory. (40:33) Look what Donald Trump is trying to do over in Europe, right? (40:35) He’s trying to buy territory there. (40:38) They want to take over the world, but they they’re trying to straddle it.(40:42) Right. And you can see that in the enneagram (40:45) along the fixation between the three and the six. (40:48) It’s like a slow, controlled burn.(40:51) So it’s it’s just they don’t want to go too fast (40:55) because that’s obviously not something that the world wants to happen. (40:59) But if they can do it very meticulously, very slowly (41:04) without anybody noticing, they in the economics called bracket creep. (41:08) Right.So what do you what do you expect? (41:12) People are just going to they’re going to try to build, build (41:16) their their territory. (41:18) Yeah, that’s why it’s the Gulf of Texas. (41:21) So I’m not the hero there just because just because we had Jason Fry, (41:25) both Jason and I have had Jason Fry on.(41:27) I don’t know if you guys have had him on, but he he writes about Texas, right? (41:32) About the national divorce. (41:34) National divorce. (41:36) We could actually even before Texas, (41:39) that I would prefer to kick out certain states from the union.(41:46) Texas, Texas can still do whatever it wants, but, you know, (41:49) I’m afraid I’m from California any day. (41:54) That’s that’s the reason why we need a national divorce, in my opinion. (41:58) Let’s let each state go their separate ways.(42:01) We obviously don’t need to hold everybody together, guys. (42:05) All right. Good for that.(42:07) National divorce would be a great first step. (42:09) Watch Joel like punch through the screen if he’s still listening. (42:13) He’s like giving the Trump would be the next Lincoln if that happened.(42:17) Yeah, I totally guarantee it. (42:18) There’s there’s like an there’s an akinness there. (42:21) The dude’s bold.(42:23) Let’s not let’s not kid ourselves. (42:24) The guy’s making moves. (42:25) But I will say this getting away from us.(42:27) We’re going to get the tariffs and they’re going to get you. (42:31) By the way, everything (42:34) Lincoln did with the war was about tariffs so that he could pull in (42:38) that income from the south. (42:41) But it was about slaves.(42:43) It was about slaves. (42:46) I like I like what CJ Kilmer, he does the Dangerous History podcast. (42:51) He says the secession might have been about slavery, but the war was not.(42:56) The war was about taxes and money. (42:59) That’s funny. (43:00) Who would have thought that Nikki Haley would ever be right? (43:02) And then she got shat on for it.(43:05) Remember when she said the war, civil war wasn’t over slavery (43:08) and everybody’s like, (43:11) you’re like, she actually told the truth for the first time. (43:14) I’ve ever heard the first time ever. (43:17) What if I told you succession had nothing to do with slavery (43:20) until those that weren’t able to succeed (43:25) because they didn’t get enough votes? (43:28) Didn’t succeed.(43:29) New York City was actually on the cusp of succeeding as a free city (43:34) because they didn’t want to deal with the tariffs (43:35) and they wanted to continue the flow of trade with the south. (43:40) And Lincoln’s own home state of Illinois actually had a vote for succession. (43:45) They almost succeeded.(43:48) Yeah, that’s true. (43:49) Seven years ago, we got screwed over, too. (43:51) Yeah.Yeah. (43:52) New York City, the mayor of the city tried to secede from the union. (43:57) It’s just the city.(43:59) That’s very interesting. Yeah. (44:02) Well, welcome, everybody.(44:03) We have taken a tangent, but it’s been (44:06) just like I’m ready to talk some more about tariffs and Lincoln, apparently. (44:11) But I blame you for talking about Lincoln in the first place. (44:15) Yeah.Anybody know what Lincoln was? (44:18) Anybody want to look them up while we’re talking? (44:19) I think he started at a five and nine station. (44:24) Yeah, no. (44:25) I believe if I remember this looking them up before it was five.(44:29) And I don’t know what it is, more than value or emotional (44:33) a fixation was, but I know the (44:37) he was definitely (44:39) they call it a spineless coward. (44:43) Interesting. So.(44:45) All right, guys, I really I’m excited to show all these (44:48) because I know what everybody’s is, but I don’t think anyone told everybody (44:52) what each other’s was. (44:53) So I’m real excited to see if we can at least guess like the first number. (44:58) So there’s two of you who would guess, obviously, (45:01) because two of us know the number.(45:02) So I’m going to alphabetically Andrew, Jason, Zack, if we’re cool with that. (45:06) I’ll finish at the end there. (45:08) But if you’re good with that.(45:10) So, Andrew, you took this thing and like what? (45:14) What are your thoughts going into it? (45:15) You took it. Is it is it accurate to that first, (45:18) that top thing that you shared with me? (45:20) I mean, I believe it’s pretty accurate. (45:22) Yeah, I can have a little bit of a temper.(45:27) It’s all right. (45:28) Well, I have have have a temper, but (45:31) but I try to go with diplomacy whenever possible. (45:34) So.All right. (45:36) So who wants did you did you just give it away? (45:39) Did you just give it away? Anybody know? (45:41) They want to guess what number the main number. (45:43) Obviously, we had a wing, but I and obviously the wings next to the main number.(45:47) One or the other. (45:48) Yeah, he gave it away. (45:50) I didn’t give it.I gave mine away. (45:51) All right. Good job, guys.(45:53) All right. Well, well, we don’t have your eight. (45:56) It was a boom.(45:59) Someone nailed it. All right. (46:00) So what I did here, I did I did decide to pull a couple of clips for everybody.(46:05) So here’s here is what Andrew is through this this lovely woman. (46:09) And I didn’t get her name. (46:11) I didn’t I need to credit her, I guess, in the in the thing.(46:14) But she did some ones. (46:15) And, Zach, you have a different one. (46:16) But this this is the young lady who did this one.(46:18) Let me share this with us. (46:20) Well, let’s figure it out. All right.(46:25) Andrew, here is your life, my friend. (46:28) What needs to be chill? (46:29) But I’m not going to let you walk all over me like my mom says. (46:33) I’m not going to be milquetoast.(46:34) Hey, little sis. He cheated on you. (46:37) I’m going to kick his lily livered butt.(46:39) I guess it’s confusing sometimes because I’m pretty laid back. (46:42) But if you mess with me or my friends or my family, I’m going to kill you. (46:46) I’m just kidding.I’m going to kill you. (46:48) But don’t try it with every wing pairing. (46:52) You’re going to have one that is a bit more conflicting than the other.(46:56) This is the eight wing. (46:58) Not type eight and type nine have very different core motivation. (47:01) So if you have an eight wing nine and they’re leaning more heavily on their nine (47:05) wing, you just got to know there’s some conflicting stuff going on in there.(47:08) Type eight’s desire, intensity and power, while type nines (47:12) crave an environment of peace and calm and unity. (47:16) I think this is why eight wing nines have been labeled the bear. (47:19) If you guys have ever seen a bear, you know, they they’re pretty chill.(47:23) Like they stick to themselves. They do their business. (47:25) They go through the garbage in the mountain towns.(47:28) That’s pretty much the only experience I’ve had with bears, actually. (47:31) But anyway, they do their business. (47:33) They’re pretty calm.(47:34) But if you anger them, if you put their cubs in danger, (47:39) bears are incredibly dangerous. (47:42) They’re frightening. They’re really scary.(47:44) And I am not saying that we should all be scared of eight wing nines (47:46) because they’re like angry bears. (47:48) What I am saying is that I am afraid of bears. (47:51) Has to be the tender peacekeeper.(47:53) I’ve watched Yogi aggressive fighters. (47:56) They are gentle and strong, powerful and graceful. (47:59) They are often underestimated, but they have an amazing ability (48:03) to inspire and empower other people.(48:06) They are more patient than eight wing sevens, and they have easier access (48:10) to their compassionate side. (48:14) All right. So.(48:17) Very interesting. (48:19) And by the way, my computer sucks. (48:21) It’s like out of sync and stuff, and that’s definitely on me.(48:24) My computer actually crashed yesterday for some reason. (48:27) So like I’m scrambling for the computer. (48:29) So.So, Andrew, you saw that. (48:33) Tell us first. (48:34) I want to hear your experience, but I also want to hear, Zach, (48:36) because you guys do like 20,000 shows a week together.(48:39) And I’m curious how accurate that is for for Zach’s experiences (48:43) to to what that was like. (48:46) I mean, I think it’s more I’m like I like to look at myself (48:52) as more like a circus performer bear, right? (48:55) I’m here kind of entertained. (48:57) But don’t mess with me.(48:59) Otherwise, you know, you’re going to be you’re going to be feeling it. (49:02) Well, look at that, boo boo. (49:04) There’s a picnic of us get to go get.(49:07) I’m waiting for the beast to be unleashed, Andrew. (49:10) Right. I want to see this bear.(49:13) But you’re not afraid of bears and somebody can eat a carburetor for breakfast. (49:17) I thought I heard someone say. (49:19) Do you have that clip? (49:20) But that’s all I could think of.(49:23) Oh, I got to find it now. (49:25) Don’t please. All right.(49:26) I’ll see if I can find it, but it’s going to be a challenge (49:28) with my lack of skills at my age. (49:32) I’ll have to put my reader contacts. (49:34) It’s fine.It’s fine. (49:37) All right. Cool.(49:38) Well, it’s funny because it says (49:40) that the eight wing nines are inspirations. (49:43) So, Zach, working with Andrew so much, do you find him to be like that, (49:47) to be like inspirational in that way? (49:49) Because he’s patient and has that ability to kind of get the best out of you (49:52) or get the most out of you, creatively, creatively. (49:55) He’s a he’s a bitch.(50:01) It’s like, again, I guess. (50:04) Yeah, it’s again, Yang. (50:05) So we work off we work off of each other, sometimes a little too much.(50:10) Like sometimes you need to just shut the fuck up and let a man speak. (50:15) But I need to do the same thing, too. (50:17) So but we do we work off of each other.(50:19) It’s like again. Yeah, it really is awesome. (50:22) Yeah, it’s very I can I can kind of see you’re like real chill and everything.(50:26) But it’s like I can see, like, yeah, I’ve decided on this (50:30) and I’m not backing off of that. (50:33) So I find it like a principle, like a principle guy as well. (50:36) So very interesting.(50:38) Any any final thoughts, any anybody? (50:41) All right, you remind me of this friend I had growing up (50:44) was like super chill most of the time, but definitely had this rage. (50:49) And once you saw it, you’re like, oh, OK. (50:52) All right.I like it. (50:55) Don’t snap on us. Snap with us.(50:58) Right. (51:01) Cool. All righty.(51:02) So the next one’s you, Jason. (51:06) I got to get these angles right. (51:08) There we go.I got it now. (51:09) That way. There’s Jason down there.(51:12) So once again, thank you, everybody, for joining us. (51:15) We’re talking about enneagrams. (51:17) We had just gotten Andrews.(51:19) He’s an eight wing nine. (51:20) We played a video. (51:21) We talked a little bit about Texas.(51:23) We talked a little bit about Trump. (51:25) And we’re Jason’s working as his Trump right now. (51:28) He’s kind of working in the background.(51:29) He’ll he’ll just surprise us any time with it. (51:31) I’m sure what I did think about, though, about the bear. (51:35) If you could, it might explain your excellent Alex Jones impression.(51:40) I mean, my Alex Jones. (51:42) Who has Andrews? (51:43) Because Andrew’s the bear. (51:45) So maybe Andrew and Alex Jones, the whole bear thing.(51:48) Maybe that’s why that. (51:49) It’s such a damn impression when you talk about the frogs. (51:53) Very well done.(51:54) So, yeah, don’t make me do mine. (51:58) Go for it. Go for it, my friend.(52:00) Hey, Arthur. (52:02) Arthur. Wait, it’s me.(52:05) It’s me. (52:06) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (52:07) So Lonnie Arthur over here, Arthur.(52:10) I need to say I need to speak with you, Arthur. (52:14) 1776. (52:14) Welcome again.(52:15) If you go for firearms. (52:18) I don’t know who you are, sir, but I’m looking for Arthur Morgan. (52:21) Not now.Who are you? (52:24) What do you mean you’ve never been? (52:26) You’ve never been there. (52:28) How could you talk about how could you talk about Texas (52:31) when you’ve never been there? (52:34) You haven’t been in the archives. (52:36) I’ve been (52:39) into a building.(52:40) I’ve been to a costume. (52:43) I’ve been in the butthole of Gaza. (52:48) OK, all right.(52:49) So it’s Jason’s turn now, Jason. (52:53) I would have to say that I don’t think anybody can figure out. (52:56) But Zach and even this test couldn’t figure me out.(53:00) I told you. (53:01) I know that’s what you said. (53:03) And you and I think it is a D.I.D. thing.(53:05) Like you have multiple personalities. (53:07) I do. You just.Yeah. (53:09) And I do agree. (53:11) I do think your temperament makes you this oddly.(53:14) And actually, I think it actually speaks your enneagram to what you can do. (53:19) So I’ll explain it after. (53:21) But you guys guess what is his main one was and what his wing might be.(53:25) Zach had a good guess in our chat. (53:29) Any other such base? (53:31) Because I think you mentioned earlier what what yours was. (53:34) But you said dissociative identity disorder, vacillating personality.(53:40) It’s a fixation of enneagram eight and enneagram four. (53:44) So it’s enneagram eight has PTSD and enneagram four has complex PTSD. (53:51) That’s my wife, that she’s a four.(53:54) Oh, I’m not my bad. (53:57) No, no, that’s good. (53:58) That’s a good guess, though.(53:59) What did you guess that in the chat or who you remember? (54:04) Did I say you you were you were at three? (54:09) Or was it a seven? (54:12) I forget. Oh, five. (54:15) See, see, I forgot.(54:17) I forgot. Well, that was your but you had you were a nine wing one, though, right? (54:21) Yes. So so I said, we can’t tell exactly what you are.(54:25) Your highest one is five, but we’re putting you as a nine wing one. (54:30) So, oh, yeah, I do have a lot of the what is it? (54:33) The Explorer, the investigator. (54:34) I think that’s what it was.(54:36) Yeah. Oh, yeah. (54:36) That’s where I have a lot of that.(54:38) That was my strongest one. (54:39) But then it put me at nine, which is Peacemaker, (54:43) because, yeah, I do recognize that as well. (54:45) And then the one.(54:48) I guess I can’t remember. (54:50) Yeah, well, we’ll go through the video and two. (54:52) I can absolutely attest to that, not that five.(54:55) We we do a show together. (54:57) And what I love about both of us, just our desire to have some kind of prep (55:01) work in some way, like, but I am way less prepared (55:05) because I enjoy the part of not knowing what’s going to happen next. (55:11) I actually appreciate the direction.(55:14) I love tangents. (55:15) I love when we start talking about like something completely (55:18) that we just talked about, the enlightenment out of the total blue. (55:21) I love that.(55:22) Whereas like when you when you have a point like you’re (55:24) you’re very serious about the structure of the point, which is a totally (55:28) I admire that greatly because it keeps us on on top. (55:31) So you guys ready for the video or anybody? (55:33) Any points before I play the video? (55:38) Go ahead. Let’s roll.(55:40) Let’s roll it. (55:46) You grab nine one, also known as the dreamer or the negotiator. (55:52) I really like when my days are peaceful and predictable at work.(55:56) I like when I have the time and space that I need to do a really good job. (56:00) I like to just take naps. (56:03) And I love when me and my best friends cook dinner together.(56:06) And then we sit around the table and talk about big philosophical ideas. (56:12) No one ever picks up after themselves anymore. (56:15) It’s always me doing the laundry, folding clothes, doing everything.(56:19) Sometimes if I’m having a rough day, I can get a teeny tiny (56:24) big critical of the other people in my life. (56:27) It’s just that I usually know the best way to do. (56:29) Nine one ones tend to be quieter individuals who long for routine (56:34) in order to contribute to the inner and outer piece of their world.(56:38) Their one wing gives them a deeper desire to improve the lives of others (56:42) through truth and objectivity. (56:44) If you’re a nine wing one, you may lean on order and optimism (56:47) to make you feel like you have everything under control. (56:50) And you probably struggle with feeling overly critical of yourself.(56:54) So type ones have this fierce inner critic inside of them (56:57) who’s always telling them to be better, do better, just constantly criticizing them. (57:02) So if you’re a nine wing one, that critic of type one (57:06) probably seeps into your life as a nine. (57:08) Nine wing ones are also fantastic mediators, which is why (57:12) some call them the negotiator.(57:13) They’re able to see both sides of every story and look objectively (57:17) at the moral implications. (57:19) This type also tends to escape into their imagination (57:22) and creativity more often than nine wing eights. (57:28) Damn man, that got to my heart, that nailed me.(57:33) I got you, right? (57:35) That was exactly. (57:37) Exactly. Nothing wrong with that.(57:39) I watched that and I don’t know if you you happen to look yourself up (57:42) after, Jason, but I watched that and I was like, holy mackerel. (57:45) Now, I thought the nap thing was kind of funny, but I love a nap. (57:49) I do love a nap.Right. (57:50) But I could totally see you doing that. (57:53) I totally see you being just peaceful, sitting at a table, talking (57:56) philosophical, just like ideas, bring them the objectivity, all that stuff.(58:01) What do you what do you guys experience? (58:03) I want to talk about the philosophy, the philosophy. (58:05) Let’s. Let’s do that alignment.(58:10) Oh, sorry, I was taking a nap. (58:13) You say you’re good. (58:16) We’re not talking about you, so, of course, yeah.(58:22) Anyway, anyone read that Jason would read that up. (58:25) Wow. Might be a nine wing one.(58:27) Will I am you might be, dude. (58:31) You’re in good company. (58:33) And I think you’re in great company.(58:35) Actually, why not? (58:36) Why don’t we why don’t we drop that link in the chat? (58:39) So if anybody wants to check it out. (58:42) Oh, yeah. Give me a second.(58:44) All right. Oh, you guys start talking. (58:46) There’s an extrovert, he says.(58:48) I am not. I’m I am almost the most introverted person you can be. (58:53) Yeah, but that could be part of Myers-Briggs, though, (58:56) because you could be like an INFP or something.(58:58) You could be ENTJ or something like that. (59:01) And you could guys be very complimentary (59:04) and have the same Enneagram, but slightly different. (59:07) Other I get I get INTJ and INTP, depending on when I take it.(59:12) That’s why probably five is generally speaking, (59:16) always going to be an INTJ when it comes to the Myers-Briggs. (59:20) Yeah. Crossing over the Enneagram.(59:24) All right. Give me a second as I’m still looking up. (59:26) So if anybody wants to keep talking, do a little song and dance.(59:31) Talk about the philosophy. (59:33) Yeah. Go back to the Enlightenment.(59:34) Talk about John Locke, because we talk about IP and John Locke said, (59:38) if you did it, you put labor in and labor isn’t isn’t a natural. (59:42) You know, if you put labor in, it’s not a natural right. Right.(59:45) You know, mix my labor. (59:48) If wait, if you put labor into it, it’s not a natural right. (59:52) If it takes labor, it’s not a natural right.(59:55) So like in a natural intellectual property is an unnatural right. (59:59) I mean, per that argument, does that make sense? (1:00:01) Oh, per that argument, say that. (1:00:03) I’m not I’m not your your labor.(1:00:06) Yeah. Your labor cannot create someone else’s right. (1:00:10) Right.So like, for example, if you make a book, (1:00:13) it’s your labor that you put into at the time. (1:00:15) So is it but is that a natural right then to keep it? (1:00:20) Well, your your your labor, (1:00:24) your labor is a natural right. (1:00:26) But at the same time, you don’t.(1:00:29) I don’t know, that’s complex, but. (1:00:32) Right. An idea isn’t.(1:00:35) Let’s just put it that way. (1:00:36) An idea is just an idea. (1:00:38) You can hold it here.(1:00:40) But once it’s out, it’s out there. So. (1:00:44) Right.But like we were just talking about, you know, broad sense, right? (1:00:48) Yeah, that makes that I. (1:00:51) IP in the broad sense, though. (1:00:54) No, it would be a positive, right? (1:00:59) You’re all about positive rights. (1:01:01) Well, we’re just like this IP thing is still I’m still swimming, Jason.(1:01:06) I got to admit my head, the more we talk about it, the more I go. (1:01:10) Yes, it is. No, no, it can’t be.(1:01:12) No, give it to everybody. (1:01:12) Once the idea is out, it’s gone. (1:01:14) But, dude, I’m still.(1:01:15) Matthew has been offered to come talk to you. (1:01:18) Yeah, well, no, I can’t. (1:01:19) I can’t.My brain’s overloaded. (1:01:21) I want to have you. (1:01:23) You read his book, right? (1:01:26) He doesn’t have no, he doesn’t have a book, I don’t think.(1:01:28) He has a website full of writing, though. (1:01:31) Writing, OK. (1:01:32) I thought he had a primer or something you got that was mentioned.(1:01:34) But anyway, so anyway, yeah, I’m totally down for for having him. (1:01:38) I just don’t know if I’m prepared because I feel he’s so confident (1:01:42) that it’s that we just ask him one question. (1:01:46) He will talk for the rest of the time.(1:01:48) You don’t. That’s all. (1:01:49) Are we going to are we going to have him on then? (1:01:51) Are we going to do you want? (1:01:52) I haven’t said yes or no.(1:01:54) All right. Well, we still got to have the other guy on that. (1:01:56) We talked about everybody.All right. Cool. (1:01:58) So what do we got next? (1:01:59) Who’s next? Zach.(1:02:01) Zacky boy, the mania. (1:02:04) I thought we were doing an alphabetical. (1:02:07) Well, Mark, you go to the last self last, (1:02:10) which probably says something about his personality problem.(1:02:14) Maybe it does tell us to tell one of my two directories there, Jason. (1:02:22) All right. I’m going to I’m going to I’m just going to leave you with this.(1:02:27) Stop 139 verse 13th or 14 (1:02:30) for you for my inward parts, you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. (1:02:35) I praise you for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. (1:02:39) Wonderful are your works.(1:02:41) My soul knows it very well. Beautiful. Very nice.(1:02:49) It’s great. I just had to put that in there. (1:02:52) I just I’m going to steal that.(1:02:54) I’m going to steal your IP freely. Quote. (1:02:56) Copy left.All right. (1:03:01) So copy wrong. (1:03:03) Who wants to guess what Zach is? (1:03:05) Does does anyone already knows? Right.(1:03:07) Can only Jason. And if you want to take. (1:03:10) Yeah, if you want to take the test, that was the chart again.(1:03:14) It’s all right. Let me pull it. (1:03:15) Would you want this guy? (1:03:17) Yeah.Yeah. (1:03:19) Is there one with the actual the positive ones? (1:03:22) Because this is the fears. (1:03:23) There is the one that’s in.(1:03:25) It’s just the outline. (1:03:26) If you have the outline pulled up. (1:03:28) Let me see this one.(1:03:29) Yeah, I’m looking. (1:03:30) I’m looking. Here you go.(1:03:32) This this one looks right. (1:03:33) There you go. (1:03:35) Integrity.(1:03:36) These look like these look good. (1:03:40) Oh, my wing, by the way. (1:03:41) I know nobody cares, but the reformer desire for perfection.(1:03:45) Fear of being flawed. (1:03:46) That definitely plays into the nine wing one. (1:03:50) Anyways, that.Yes, it does. (1:03:53) Mm hmm. (1:03:57) Hmm.You pull it back up there for Jason. (1:03:59) I want to say seven, seven. (1:04:02) I. Let’s see, a seven is the enthusiast (1:04:07) desire for freedom, fear of being trapped.(1:04:12) Now, that’s interesting, because that’s I think that’s pretty close. (1:04:18) Because it actually is. (1:04:20) I’ll play it for you, but I don’t know if it’s going to come up right on the video.(1:04:22) So you got you know what it is already, right, Andrew? (1:04:25) So this will be a surprise for Jason then. (1:04:27) All right. So let me pull this up.Let’s play it. (1:04:33) That makes sense, too. (1:04:34) Number four makes sense.(1:04:36) Yeah. Learned with acceptance and status versus that three wing. (1:04:39) And then they tend to create more for themselves versus others (1:04:43) like the three wing does.Right. (1:04:44) And so this five wing, they are creating for themselves (1:04:48) and they are extremely creative while the four of the three super creative. (1:04:54) This one with this wing, you put those two together (1:04:57) and they become like really, really, really creative.(1:05:00) And then when struggling, they become extremely independent (1:05:04) and withdrawn is an understatement. (1:05:06) They become extremely withdrawn, extremely independent. (1:05:09) They get more consumed with their emotional, intellectual worlds, (1:05:12) and they must sort out their world using intellect before moving forward.(1:05:18) And so those are those things to look for when struggling. (1:05:21) If you mostly identify with the four with the five point (1:05:23) and then the inspiring quality, they are amazingly creative. Right.(1:05:26) I already kind of hit on that. (1:05:28) Oh, this is where it comes out. (1:05:29) That’s just such an inspiring quality of the four with the five wing there.(1:05:33) They’re just creative in all different areas. (1:05:35) This one is more like mysterious, can be unusual, can be eccentric. (1:05:40) And then they use their creativity and intellect to produce stunning works of art.(1:05:45) And that’s what I’ve read. (1:05:46) And so that’s that just inspiring quality really of the four. (1:05:50) They both are extremely creative and in all different areas of the world.(1:05:55) It doesn’t have to just you know, we’re not just talking about art. (1:05:58) We’re talking about all different areas. (1:06:00) And so that’s that’s the wings of the four guys.(1:06:02) The four with three wing, the four with the five wing. (1:06:08) All right. Any thoughts on that? (1:06:13) I mean, creative.(1:06:17) Sounds like you, Zach. Super creative. (1:06:22) Individual individualists withdrawn.(1:06:24) Right. At times. Authentic.(1:06:29) Authentic. (1:06:32) Fear, fear of being insignificant is listed there. (1:06:37) That’s interesting.(1:06:39) You’re always talking about the legacy, I mean, that’s in your name, right? (1:06:43) The legacy, right? The legacy of Jenny Kaiser. (1:06:46) So I feel like, you know, you’re hanging on to that significance of that person. (1:06:54) My mother.Yeah, right. (1:06:56) I know. I and I. (1:06:58) That’s great.Not knocking at all. (1:07:01) No, it’s I think it’s like a reflection of it’s like explaining the enneagram (1:07:05) through your life experience, like like that. (1:07:10) Yeah, I’m saying it fits.Yeah, totally. (1:07:13) And I’m agreeing because I saw a different side (1:07:16) where like we were kind of withdrawn a little bit. Right.(1:07:18) Sometimes we we take things very personally or take things hard. (1:07:22) And we’re like, I got I don’t want to I don’t want to drag my down (1:07:25) or something and feel that way. (1:07:26) We don’t be Debbie down or things like that.(1:07:27) So I’ve seen that kind of compassion in you (1:07:30) in in a lot of ways that that fit that exact kind of grouping. (1:07:37) All right. Anybody else on there? (1:07:40) There was a story.(1:07:42) There’s a four wing five. (1:07:44) I thought you had or did you say you were three? (1:07:48) My four wing three. (1:07:50) But I can I can flip.(1:07:53) OK, because I thought I put down four or five. I apologize. (1:07:56) No, I can flip.(1:07:58) It’s a part of my life. I’m following five. (1:08:02) That’s your D.I.D. (1:08:03) because you’re also an eight wing nine, man.(1:08:06) You’re an eight and a four and a three and an eight and a two (1:08:08) and a four and a six and a 14 and a (1:08:12) eight, five, six, seven, five, three or nine. (1:08:15) There you go. We got Jenny, Jenny.(1:08:19) All right, guys, before before we do mind, (1:08:22) do we have any other current events, anything else? (1:08:23) Because I do. I do slightly. (1:08:25) Like I said, I I did call out not didn’t call out Dave Smith and Clint Russell.(1:08:30) But I was like, hey, guys, if if we invade Iran, (1:08:35) they this is definitely not what we what we voted for. (1:08:38) But it does turn out that Trump did turn down (1:08:41) something where BB’s like, we’re going to go in there. (1:08:45) Well, he sounds like, OK, it doesn’t sound like Bernie Sanders, (1:08:47) but he sounds a little bit more like Bernie Sanders than he does.(1:08:50) Colonel Sanders. (1:08:51) He behaves like Bernie Sanders. (1:08:53) He does behave like the oligarchy is bad.(1:08:58) The oligarchy is coming for you. (1:09:01) So I don’t know if you guys saw this, but at a Bernie rally, (1:09:05) they actually took out someone who was who had a Palestinian flag. (1:09:10) I’m like, isn’t that your side? (1:09:12) Wait a minute.Whose side is who on? (1:09:14) What’s going on here? I’m very confused. (1:09:17) Well, Bernie is on the side of the money. (1:09:20) Exactly.They’re on the side of the money and Bernie’s a Jew. (1:09:24) There you go. (1:09:26) So this is what I did, guys.(1:09:28) Like I said, I took the test. (1:09:30) I let my girlfriend take the test because she’s convinced. (1:09:33) I watched the video.(1:09:34) I’m leaning more towards mine than hers. (1:09:37) I’m just going to play both of them back to back. (1:09:39) I’m not going to or actually I’ll play them both back to back.(1:09:42) I won’t say or actually I’ll play one. (1:09:45) We’ll talk about it. Play the other one.(1:09:46) We’ll talk about it. (1:09:47) Then I’ll let you know which one whose was you guys can guess. (1:09:50) All right.Make it easy. (1:09:51) But before we go, what do you guys think I am? (1:09:56) Oh, man. (1:09:57) Speaking of, you got to put that comment up.(1:10:01) Yeah. Which one? (1:10:02) William is an enlightened God. (1:10:04) He’s a one through nine wing to all of them.(1:10:07) He’s stuck in the 18th to 19th century with luck. (1:10:10) LMAO. (1:10:11) Hey, 1800s is where you had all your freedoms.(1:10:15) Yeah. What what is an emperor’s enneagram? (1:10:20) Depends on what’s on the enneagram. (1:10:22) I don’t know that I buy it.(1:10:24) Well, I like it. I think it’s true. (1:10:26) You are all of them.(1:10:28) You’re basically the next Jesus. (1:10:32) Speaking of one through nine, have you guys ever seen (1:10:34) Ryan Reynolds movie and Jenny and Melissa McCarthy called the nines? (1:10:41) No, I have not. No, no.It’s. (1:10:44) I think everyone would really like it, but I don’t want to Shawshank it, (1:10:47) meaning I don’t want to oversell it. (1:10:50) It’s really interesting to watch, but it’s kind of meta.(1:10:53) So you have to pay attention. (1:10:54) But it’s it all comes together and go, whoa, that’s what I did. (1:10:57) It’s really cool.(1:10:57) It’s called the nines. (1:10:58) And it’s really interesting. (1:11:00) If anyone else has not seen that, I highly recommend it anyway.(1:11:04) So I’m not a one through nine, but I’m one of the numbers, I’m sure. (1:11:11) So any number ten, the mythical number ten, (1:11:15) they don’t have negative numbers, right? (1:11:17) Now, negative negative five. (1:11:20) We we draw into our there’s a shadow aspect of each type (1:11:24) that you fall into one or six significant stress.(1:11:28) I’m sure I do. (1:11:30) All right, let me have one of the few. (1:11:34) Let me play.Yeah, let me play one of the two here. (1:11:37) We’ll start there. All right.(1:11:40) Hold on. How many times do I have to tell? (1:11:45) Oh, we lost it. Yeah.(1:11:48) Oh, we lost it. (1:11:52) What happened there? Hold on. I’ll give you.(1:11:56) That was three. (1:11:57) I could see. Yes, yes, sir.(1:12:00) That’s what you had me as a three. Yeah. (1:12:02) But no, I could see a few of them, though.(1:12:05) I could see seven. (1:12:10) I could see eight. (1:12:12) I can see two and three.(1:12:14) I can see seven. I can see five. (1:12:19) We see all of them, basically.(1:12:21) I think I I think so. Are you guys? (1:12:24) Don’t we don’t we exhibit all of them, though? (1:12:26) Kind of. Yes, we’re not as (1:12:31) we draw from them, but we’re not, you know, concentrated in.(1:12:35) Right. Right. So.(1:12:37) All right. I’ll I’ll share this with you. (1:12:38) I’ll give you one last guess before I play the other one.(1:12:40) It’ll be it’ll be really interesting. (1:12:42) Oh, I’m sorry. I can’t talk right now.(1:12:43) I’m on the phone. (1:12:44) How many times do I have to tell you? (1:12:46) Now is not the time. (1:12:47) OK, now I have a minute.(1:12:49) I’m sorry about that. Busy day. (1:12:51) Some of my titles are the expert or the professional.(1:12:54) My friends would describe me as ambitious, dedicated and private. (1:12:59) It’s incredibly important to me that I succeed at what I put my mind to. (1:13:04) Failure is not an option for me.(1:13:06) This attitude is great for my career because I work really hard, (1:13:10) but it kind of sucks, too, because I’m always stressed out (1:13:14) and I feel like my worth is directly tied to how productive (1:13:17) I can be throughout the day. (1:13:19) I know. I know.(1:13:20) My therapist tells me it’s unhealthy, but it’s just who I am. (1:13:24) When it comes to wings, there will always be a wing pairing (1:13:27) in each type that conflicts with one another. (1:13:29) And in this instance, that is the three wing four.(1:13:32) The type three longs for success at all costs, (1:13:36) but the type four longs for everything to be super authentic. (1:13:40) There’s a lot of push and pull with this pairing. (1:13:42) One is more external and the other is more private.(1:13:45) One values productivity. (1:13:46) The other one values individuality. (1:13:49) I am actually a three wing four.(1:13:50) And while I do use my two wing, especially in my marriage (1:13:54) and around my family, I find that in my relationship with myself (1:13:59) and like who I am and how I show up for life, (1:14:04) I am always kind of in a little battle with my four wing (1:14:09) because my four wing is not always pleased (1:14:13) with what my main type three wants to be doing. (1:14:15) Something really cool about three wing fours is they’re able to fuse (1:14:19) their interests with their creativity in a seamless way. (1:14:22) A three wing four is going to approach a business (1:14:25) with an eye for efficiency and uniqueness.(1:14:28) I think a really good example of three ring fours (1:14:30) using their efficiency alongside their creativity (1:14:33) to get things done is this YouTube channel. (1:14:36) And I’m sorry to keep talking about my wing pairing, (1:14:39) but I have experience with it. (1:14:40) So here we go.(1:14:41) This channel is so dominated by my fourness (1:14:45) because it’s creative, it’s an outlet. (1:14:48) It makes like I’m able to have a voice that like that. (1:14:52) The reason I’m on here is because of my four.(1:14:54) But the reason that I continue to do it is because of my three, (1:14:59) because YouTube videos are a lot of work and like trying to make a living (1:15:03) doing this is is really difficult. (1:15:05) So I think that threes are really good at doing hard, creative things. (1:15:11) And that is all I have to say about it.(1:15:18) So that was the one that I got. (1:15:21) Hmm. And the other one that I got.(1:15:24) Do you guys have any thoughts about that one before I play the other one? (1:15:29) I mean, it seemed to make sense. (1:15:34) I don’t buy it. (1:15:35) And I really do think I think both will make sense when you when you watch them.(1:15:39) So so what’s interesting is I think you guys guessed (1:15:43) everyone except for the one that this other number is. (1:15:47) So I’m going to go play this one because I found one. (1:15:50) Yeah, there we go, my friend.(1:15:52) All right, let’s let’s play the part. (1:15:55) I think this is a real quick. (1:15:57) I want to make an educated guess here.(1:16:00) Seven wing eight. (1:16:02) It is not seven wing eight, but that is a good guess (1:16:06) because it might want to the seven wing eight might look like whatever this is. (1:16:10) So I’ll play that next.(1:16:11) There’s going to be a one wing seven. (1:16:14) See, I think Jason Jason will be pleasantly surprised, (1:16:17) but it is really interesting (1:16:19) because I think this is a part of me that you guys don’t see much of. (1:16:23) I think it’s called the asshole.(1:16:25) Now, sorry to hear that you have relationship problems. (1:16:28) I’ve come up with an entire list of ideas (1:16:29) that I think is going to improve the communication peppermint. (1:16:33) Jojo, I’m a one wing two, and my friends and family (1:16:36) call me the activist or the advocate.(1:16:39) You know, if there was a movie about me, (1:16:41) I think that my part would be played by Emma Watson. (1:16:45) So I freaking love her. (1:16:46) But also, I just think she’s not like your typical celebrity.(1:16:49) You know, when she wants to get something done, she rolls up her sleeves (1:16:52) and she does it herself. (1:16:53) She was a U.N. (1:16:54) Goodwill ambassador. (1:16:55) She like launched that whole campaign for gender equality for she freaking awesome.(1:17:00) She would definitely play me in a movie. (1:17:02) I think I should write a letter. (1:17:05) You might be a one wing two if you’re wise beyond your years, (1:17:08) very social and more action oriented.(1:17:11) You probably have trouble with inflexible thinking. (1:17:14) So what that looks like is a lot of things are black and white to you (1:17:17) and you have trouble seeing the shades of gray. (1:17:19) Unlike the one wing nine whose wing pairing conflicts with each other, (1:17:23) the one wing two, they these types blend together like a smoothie.(1:17:27) Both the one and the two are complementary in the things (1:17:30) that they’re reaching for, the things that they’re running towards. (1:17:33) The one towards being good and the two towards being loved. (1:17:36) The beautiful thing about this wing combination is that this pairing (1:17:39) is super good at taking action, getting things done, (1:17:43) doing the work that needs to be done to fix things.(1:17:49) So I do find a little similar. (1:17:51) What do you got? (1:17:52) What do you guys think about the comparison between those two in the contrast? (1:17:56) That one makes much more sense to me. (1:17:58) Judging by all the Facebook.(1:18:01) I mean, the way that you the way that you deal with all them boomers. (1:18:06) Yes. Yeah, but I don’t make them fucking cookies.(1:18:10) Man, you got OK. (1:18:12) And if anyone played you in a movie, it would definitely be Emma Watson. (1:18:16) Oh, yeah.I mean, I’ve got just as big a breast as she does. (1:18:20) Oh, I was going to say Danny DeVito. (1:18:23) What are you talking about, Dave? (1:18:25) With the horse? What are you with a horse? (1:18:27) I don’t want to talk about horse.(1:18:30) I got my Danny DeVito down. (1:18:32) It’s a good time. (1:18:33) Queens is one of my favorite movies growing up.(1:18:35) I’m a I’m a basic boomer. (1:18:37) And let me give a little context. (1:18:39) Why I said the seven wing eight earlier real quick (1:18:41) is because the seven have always fallen also in the pit of hell.(1:18:46) I’m like a habitual (1:18:50) that they have a lot of impulsive behavior, like smoking, (1:18:54) cigarette, lie, vaping and stuff like that. (1:18:57) They lie a lot. (1:18:58) And then they say it again.(1:19:05) As I’m vaping now. (1:19:08) Well, no, I thought that was a vape. (1:19:10) So I’m sorry.(1:19:11) But oh, sorry, I apologize. (1:19:13) It’s like it’s my stick, Andrew. (1:19:16) Oh, OK.Oh, my God. (1:19:18) Well, and then you got (1:19:21) you got the boxing stuff (1:19:23) behind you and that AIDS power. (1:19:27) Right.So that’s the reason why I was. (1:19:30) I was making that association. (1:19:34) I like it.So (1:19:36) which one did I test as and which one did my girlfriend test me as? (1:19:41) I want to say you’re three or four. (1:19:47) But you got the unbiased, the unbiased one where you had I tested you. (1:19:52) So you got to you have her perception of you at times (1:19:58) and then you have your own perception of yourself, which is still hard to do (1:20:03) if you’re doing it on your own, because we all lie.(1:20:07) We all don’t. We don’t want to. (1:20:09) We don’t want to show ourselves in a negative light.(1:20:12) I don’t know. (1:20:13) That’s kind of the point I want to show where I like myself. (1:20:16) Let me give some more context wise to three and four (1:20:21) four behind you.(1:20:23) You’ve got what looks like a painting. (1:20:25) And it’s I guess I can’t exactly tell who that is. (1:20:30) I got it.And we’ve got you’ve got Jimmy Marley, (1:20:34) Hendrix, Jimmy Hendrix, Jimmy Hendrix and seven. (1:20:37) This kind of gives more (1:20:40) seven and four fixation together are natural musicians. (1:20:45) So like Zack likes to do rap stuff, (1:20:47) and he’s a six wing seven from, you know, the test he took.(1:20:54) So he leans into that four and seven. (1:20:59) So, yeah, that’s really interesting. (1:21:01) So, Jason, you mentioned you think I’m a one wing, too.(1:21:04) That’s what I’m more like to me. (1:21:06) That’s what I think. (1:21:07) And like my prediction earlier, I think I’m going to be wrong.(1:21:13) I think that’s the one your girlfriend took. (1:21:15) Oh, the two. Yeah.(1:21:21) You know it, right, Zack, so you can’t comment on it. (1:21:27) Oh, no, I don’t. (1:21:28) Actually, I’m going to yeah, I’m going to go with what I what I was trying to say.(1:21:33) I think he tested you as a one wing two and you tested three three wing four. (1:21:38) That is correct. (1:21:39) You nailed it.(1:21:40) And I have a feeling, Jason, to your point, (1:21:43) I thought you were going to use the other because in the current iteration (1:21:46) of what you guys see, like the podcast thing, it like mirrored that that woman. (1:21:52) But the other side is like. (1:21:54) I think the authentic me is below that, which is like the one wing two (1:21:57) because they’re kind of slightly different, but slightly similar, you know.(1:22:01) And like to your point, Andrew, they all kind of cross. (1:22:04) So so you you just to be clear, you tested yourself as (1:22:08) a three wing four, three, four. (1:22:10) OK, yeah.Yeah. (1:22:11) And she does. She goes, no, you’re a one thing, too.(1:22:14) And I’m like, so I was right. (1:22:16) That’s not what this is. (1:22:17) She goes up.I go, here’s the test. (1:22:19) You go take. She’s like, click, click, click, click, click.(1:22:22) Two minutes later, you know, whatever time later she goes, look. (1:22:25) And I’m like, all right. All right.All right. (1:22:29) I was I was 100% about what I said then. (1:22:33) Yeah, I thought I was 100% wrong.(1:22:35) Once again, this is the I’m an I’m the Enneagram wrong. (1:22:38) Whatever the wrong is, you’re not right. (1:22:41) I think I think we I think we prove something, though.(1:22:44) Women are always wrong. (1:22:46) We’re always right. That’s true.(1:22:49) That is true. (1:22:51) So anyone anyone else have any questions, comments (1:22:53) about the Enneagram or any any other stuff going on? (1:22:57) What is going on? (1:23:00) Man, I I’ve been busy today, so I haven’t really stayed on the X, (1:23:04) the X versus anything going on. (1:23:07) I heard I heard a bunch of people got shot up in a rocket.(1:23:11) Hmm. Really? Came down. (1:23:13) They got shot up in the rocket.(1:23:16) They got shot up at Florida State University. (1:23:18) Yeah, I noticed that before we jumped on. (1:23:22) What was that? What happened? (1:23:23) There was a shooting at Florida State.(1:23:25) Oh, another sign up at Florida State. (1:23:30) Any any early numbers or anything? (1:23:34) I think five people died from what I saw last, but it’s been a while. (1:23:40) I was the what did the I don’t want to ask.(1:23:43) And even I don’t know, maybe two shooters, maybe one. (1:23:46) I saw I was at the gym earlier over lunch and I on the news, (1:23:50) they were showing one shooter and then I saw an X two shooters. (1:23:52) So I I don’t know.(1:23:55) Hmm. Were they Iranian? (1:23:58) They probably just wanted us to stop bombing Iran. (1:24:01) And that’s why Trump said, we’re taking it off the table.(1:24:07) I don’t listen to everybody’s impressions all day. (1:24:12) Well, from one president to another. (1:24:15) Did you hear Bill Maher talk about about what Trump said about Reagan? (1:24:20) You know, the best part was his hair.(1:24:21) Oh, yeah. Yeah. (1:24:24) And I said, like, the best part was his hair.(1:24:29) But also the ending communism. (1:24:34) He’s like, oh, yeah, that, too, I guess. (1:24:36) And that was great.(1:24:37) And then he said the thing about the dogs, (1:24:39) because a lot of people have dogs for, you know, for like whatever. (1:24:42) For like, oh, really? (1:24:43) You are always sick because you’re right. (1:24:47) They do like dogs like (1:24:51) fucking not going to lie.(1:24:52) Bill Maher is still he’s still a G. (1:24:56) He’s he’s you know, (1:24:58) Jace, I think Jason’s called the early like turn on him. (1:25:01) And he look, I don’t think he’s moved much. (1:25:03) Let’s not kid ourselves.(1:25:04) That side has just moved so freaking crazily the other way. (1:25:09) I mean, it’s like everyone’s abandoned that, you know, that. (1:25:12) Look, he’s still saying that he still wants national health care (1:25:15) and and, you know, all the union stuff and some kind of regulations (1:25:19) and anti monopoly busters, which, by the way, is creating monopolies (1:25:24) in case anyone didn’t realize that.(1:25:26) Yeah. Did you hear? (1:25:27) You know, did you hear about this tariff thing? (1:25:29) Oh, sorry. Good, Jason.(1:25:31) Now, I forgot. (1:25:33) Oh, you know, on the people, OK, a lot of people think that the right is (1:25:40) much more susceptible to become like libertarian, right? (1:25:42) Because they’re they preach like small government and all this. (1:25:46) So it’s just like, hey, take the next logical step.But. (1:25:51) But people like Bill Maher, who are socialists, who want this, (1:25:54) you know, they want this universal health care and all that. (1:25:56) They’re probably more able to be convinced that, hey, if it’s (1:26:03) because we have this government control over it, that it’s so bad, you know.(1:26:09) And I agree 100 percent. (1:26:11) I put Jimmy Dore in that group. (1:26:13) One hundred percent.(1:26:14) Jimmy Dore in that group. (1:26:15) I’m like, dude, I need five minutes in a room with you. (1:26:20) That’s all I need.(1:26:21) I’m like, you think there’s a group of humans (1:26:25) that are going to do it right? (1:26:27) You know, that’s not true, man. (1:26:29) You’ve not met a single one in history. (1:26:32) In all of history, you would find issue with all of them.(1:26:35) So why would you want to give them anything? (1:26:38) Yeah. Anyway, good, Zach, you’re saying. (1:26:40) Oh, I was just going to say, I mean, it starts with social first before economical.(1:26:46) And so that’s why you do that to your point. (1:26:49) More people, as far as like the parties, as we’re in the party (1:26:53) archy scheme and voting, more people tend to fall in line (1:26:57) into the Libertarian Party already. (1:27:00) Arky us more than those on the right that are more conservative.(1:27:11) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.(1:27:13) And I and I kind of agree is like I do see liberal and libertarian more like (1:27:19) I thought those were the hippies that fought war. (1:27:21) I thought one of the biggest thing was non-aggression principle. (1:27:25) Like that’s like the core thing.(1:27:27) So you just be anti-war. (1:27:29) That used to be the what wasn’t that every hippie (1:27:33) and everybody on the left, all the all the wimps on the left. (1:27:36) That was everybody.(1:27:38) Like, it just doesn’t make sense. (1:27:40) And it’s funny, those are the government guys that they fought. (1:27:43) Are they want to give them stuff to give other people stuff? (1:27:48) Like, why? Why would you do that? (1:27:51) How do you make that jump? (1:27:52) That’s what I don’t get.(1:27:54) I don’t get that. We were brainwashed. (1:27:57) It’s got to be schooling, right? (1:27:59) It’s got to be.They’re all sixes. (1:28:05) I think it’s a little grooming, too, because of the school system. (1:28:10) Which you can check out the check out, go over to the legacy, right? (1:28:13) And or the Protestant Libertarian and you check out that (1:28:17) which is a good episode.(1:28:20) Well, let’s we’ll talk about that real quick, guys. (1:28:22) Why don’t you guys (1:28:22) why don’t you guys share your socials and all your ways to contact you (1:28:25) and all the shows that you guys are on? (1:28:28) Give us a plug. (1:28:28) He sent me he sent me smoke signals and get the Zack and (1:28:33) he’ll let me know what you need.(1:28:38) No, I’m at a icon and 90 on X. (1:28:40) Not to terribly active on social media, but (1:28:45) if you’re a guy with a name, you should be much more active digitally. (1:28:50) Right. Counterfactual, my friend, counterfactual.(1:28:58) William has a good point. (1:29:02) Wait, wait, wait. (1:29:02) The trust and the reliance or independent nature is hardwired in the brain.(1:29:08) I don’t know if that’s true. (1:29:11) I don’t know. (1:29:12) I think a lot of it is social conditioning.(1:29:14) I think I think what what and what (1:29:18) William is trying to say is. (1:29:21) The people are retarded. (1:29:27) If people are really out of date, (1:29:31) what are you talking about? (1:29:33) Anyway, anyway, so I don’t do Indian voices.(1:29:37) So they sound like they know what you’re talking about. (1:29:39) I did that guy’s voice. (1:29:40) I did not do a generic.(1:29:41) That would be a good one. (1:29:42) Boy, Zach, I did that guy’s specific voice. (1:29:46) Thank you.I don’t remember his name. (1:29:48) This will be a good every time I try. (1:29:51) Every time I try, it goes into an Irish accent.(1:29:56) It just sounded Irish. (1:29:59) You’re saying is a good time. (1:30:01) Slap at the base, mom.(1:30:04) You guys say not. (1:30:05) I love you, man. (1:30:06) No.OK, so can may I share a story? (1:30:10) I’ll share. OK. (1:30:11) This is the worst story.(1:30:12) If people clip this, everything’s over for me. (1:30:14) But I don’t give a shit. (1:30:16) So I’m in Atlantic City with my mom.(1:30:20) And there’s a place literally called the Irish pub. (1:30:24) Hold on. Why? (1:30:27) I’m an East Coaster.I’m from Philadelphia. (1:30:29) We hang out, we go to shore, bro. (1:30:31) You don’t go down to shore.(1:30:33) You go down. I’ve never been. (1:30:35) I’ve never been to the shore, so I can’t (1:30:38) properly be an expert on this.(1:30:41) How dare you interrupt my story? (1:30:43) You haven’t even been to the boardwalk. (1:30:45) How could you even talk about it if you haven’t been there? (1:30:49) So, yes. So I’m hanging out.(1:30:50) I think it’s I might have been with my grandmother, too. (1:30:52) Is that OK, Jason? (1:30:55) I guess I guess so. (1:30:58) We’re walking out and there is a an actual like Indian (1:31:03) from the country of India, man with a sandwich board (1:31:09) advertising the Irish pub sandwiches.(1:31:15) So so I went into Liberty (1:31:18) Topper the morning to you. Thank you so much. (1:31:21) Please come to the Irish pub.(1:31:23) I knew that you were going to split that out. (1:31:24) I waited till you took a sip, buddy. (1:31:26) I waited, but that was my that was a fix.(1:31:31) My mom fell to her knees. (1:31:35) She like split. (1:31:38) I’m OK.(1:31:43) I’m OK. (1:31:49) I’m OK. I’m OK.(1:31:50) OK, are you glad I shared that story? (1:31:55) I don’t even know what you’re saying. (1:31:56) But yeah, that’s called great entertainment. (1:31:59) Thank you so much for coming to the Irish pub.(1:32:02) My name is Jimmy O’Halloran. (1:32:05) I am here today to get you some Irish herpes. (1:32:09) OK, anyway.(1:32:10) And what plan are you from, Jimmy? (1:32:13) I don’t want to climb. (1:32:16) My name is Jimmy O’Patel. (1:32:18) Anyway, so I’ll leave it there.(1:32:21) Yeah, that that’s a cancelable one. (1:32:23) I hope no one’s watching. (1:32:26) So anyone else of the guys get it over? (1:32:30) Anyone else want to jump in? (1:32:31) I’m just glad Jason at least had a follow up comment.(1:32:35) I don’t know if you can do that out there or not. (1:32:38) This one. Oh, yeah.(1:32:41) Some can only move so far away from government solutions (1:32:46) that again, hardwired or. (1:32:50) Is it nurture? (1:32:52) That would be a good topic. (1:32:53) That’s what I was going to say before he got into your story.(1:32:57) This might be a good time for a podcast. (1:32:59) Yes, nature or nurture is a good topic. (1:33:01) And then you didn’t say anything.(1:33:02) I’m like, don’t continue to follow up. (1:33:09) Not a nature. (1:33:11) Then the natural aspect is, is we are all social creatures.(1:33:15) So we’re going to lean towards our culture. (1:33:18) And that’s the nurture aspect is the culture that we are, (1:33:21) that we’re born into and learn from. (1:33:23) We’re impressionable, impressionable as children.(1:33:27) So we’re learning from our parents. (1:33:29) We’re observing. (1:33:30) We’re learning from grandma and grandpa.(1:33:32) And then we go out to the world and we’re learning from our teachers (1:33:35) and our principals and the neighbor on the on the corner (1:33:40) throwing hot dogs at us and saying, would you like a popsicle? (1:33:44) I got a whole freezer full of popsicles. (1:33:48) And then you go into the (1:33:50) then you go into the basement with the neighbor and then bad things happen. (1:33:54) But you got your popsicle.(1:33:57) Wow. At least you get something out of it, right? (1:34:01) It was it wasn’t my favorite flavor, though. (1:34:04) I like grape.(1:34:06) It was cherry. (1:34:07) You got cherry. (1:34:08) Yeah, I was going to say chocolate.(1:34:12) That would have been really wrong. (1:34:15) Would you like a chocolate ice cream? (1:34:19) I got a whole freezer full of chocolate ice cream. (1:34:24) This is Devol and Herbert.(1:34:26) I was like, what are you doing? (1:34:29) And come on in. (1:34:31) So I did want to touch on this, too, is to Jason’s point is there is such (1:34:35) a cultural, but I would argue, Jason, like a percentage of us (1:34:39) are able to do this weird break where like, yeah, this doesn’t feel right. (1:34:43) And we kind of step a little different from the tribe.(1:34:45) And it’s not a huge percentage, but it’s like a 10 percent. (1:34:49) And as long as the tribe recognizes that we’re 10 percent because they we (1:34:55) I think that’s groups like us see things not better or worse, just differently. (1:35:00) It’s not it’s it’s just differently.(1:35:02) And when they can incorporate that with what they see, (1:35:06) I think they get they understand it. (1:35:08) But sometimes you’re on the outs if you don’t go along with the group. (1:35:12) So what do you do? (1:35:13) You go along with the group, makes it easy.(1:35:15) And then it does kind of become a genetic, you know, to follow. (1:35:18) Like it’s like breeding dogs. (1:35:21) You train them to be followers and then they breed followers.(1:35:29) Did I lose Jason? (1:35:31) Or is he just making a pussy like a pussy face? (1:35:34) He’s like a sourpuss. (1:35:36) He’s like, it did look like you. (1:35:40) I was really trying.(1:35:43) Like your face literally didn’t do anything. (1:35:45) I thought I broke you. (1:35:47) Someone reset Jason.(1:35:48) I broke you. (1:35:50) Poop. (1:35:52) I was trying, man.(1:35:53) Okay, I couldn’t hold that. (1:35:55) You know, you did great. (1:35:58) Made me feel really stupid, which is even better (1:36:02) as a one wing professional expert.(1:36:05) From one professional to another. (1:36:07) What are your thoughts? (1:36:08) What are your thoughts, Jason? (1:36:10) Thoughts on what? (1:36:11) Thoughts on life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness (1:36:15) on all that means the thoughts on memes. (1:36:20) So it’s a tribalism question.(1:36:23) What the question of the people who whether this is broken in, (1:36:26) whether it’s hardwired or nature nurtured kind of thing, right? (1:36:31) I think it is. (1:36:33) I will say it’s not 100% either way. (1:36:37) I’ll say it’s a majority nurture.(1:36:39) I think it’s social conditioned in all of us. (1:36:42) And it’s something something I’m trying to break out of (1:36:46) because I recognize it in myself all the time. (1:36:48) I’m not saying I’m like this perfect person that knows everything.(1:36:51) I just I’m trying to break out of the the cycle, the thing, (1:36:55) you know, the indoctrination, what you get in schools and all that, (1:36:59) because it’s it’s so deep. (1:37:01) It’s so, so deep. (1:37:03) You know, there’s many layers to the onion.(1:37:06) Yes, yes. (1:37:08) We all work at a job that is connected to something (1:37:11) that is connected to something that is connected to something (1:37:14) that we all disagree with, that we think is part of the system. (1:37:18) That we need to change.(1:37:19) And we’re still part of it. (1:37:21) Yeah, because this is at least we know this is a reality, right? (1:37:24) We’re not we’re not total dreamers. (1:37:26) We’re like realistic dreamers in a way.(1:37:29) And I was actually sorry. (1:37:32) Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.(1:37:33) I was OK when I was driving home from work today. (1:37:36) I had this thought because there’s this idea (1:37:40) like we want people to be more independent, more individualist and everything. (1:37:45) And then I was thinking about the saying that’s like taxes are the price (1:37:49) we pay to live in a civilized society or something, you know, something like that.(1:37:55) I wonder sometimes if there is a bell curve to that (1:37:59) where dumb people are like, no, I don’t fuck you. (1:38:04) I don’t want to pay taxes. (1:38:05) The middle people are saying I don’t want to or no, no, no.(1:38:11) Sorry. Sorry. I got that backwards.(1:38:12) Dumb people are like taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society. (1:38:15) The middle people. (1:38:17) The midwits are like, no, no, no, no.(1:38:20) Fuck you. We don’t want to pay taxes. (1:38:22) And if you keep going, (1:38:24) you might say taxes are a price we pay to live in a civilized society because.(1:38:30) You are conditioning people to be civilized (1:38:36) by creating this idea that you are part of a system, (1:38:39) that you are subservient to the greater good, whatever that is. (1:38:46) So am I making sense? (1:38:48) I feel like I’m kind of losing it here, but this is completely against what I believe. (1:38:52) But I feel like there’s a there’s there may be a point to say that taxes (1:38:57) by creating us into slaves.(1:39:01) Do make a civilized, quote, civilized society. (1:39:07) What do you got? (1:39:07) Well, they’re part of the social construct of the civilization, right? (1:39:11) So they go, you two things are certain death and taxes. (1:39:15) So you got to pay your taxes and then you got to pay.(1:39:18) You got to obey the law because if you break the law, (1:39:20) then you go to this place where we put you in a box and then you got to do this. (1:39:24) You got to stay the speed limit, because if you don’t get the speed limit, (1:39:26) we charge you money. (1:39:27) You don’t want to get charged money.(1:39:28) And then, you know, I mean, so like I do agree with you, (1:39:32) but I do think it’s as part of the entire social construct. (1:39:34) It’s part of the conditioning. (1:39:36) And it’s part of the part of it.(1:39:37) Right. Part of the government is in its own way is kind of like (1:39:42) you can read it in any sense, like, say, Mexico, right? (1:39:47) That’s more like the Willy Wonka kind of world. (1:39:49) And then the United States is more, you know, like that.(1:39:53) Like I said before, three to six control burn (1:39:55) and their their desire to achieve and to control. Right. (1:40:00) So that’s what we go over to the Middle East.(1:40:02) And we we we pick on people in the Middle East (1:40:05) because we need an outlet for that control. (1:40:08) And yes, yes, I look at it like this. (1:40:13) It’s really just no.(1:40:14) Go ahead. Finish your thoughts, Andrew. (1:40:16) It’s just it’s really if you if you’re really looking into this (1:40:20) in any gram stuff, you can see a lot of like reflection (1:40:23) in different parts of the world, different people, different.(1:40:26) It’s it’s it’s a universal law in its own way. (1:40:30) Right. The cold knowledge.(1:40:32) Hmm. Yeah, because it can reflect culture. (1:40:35) I mean, demeanor and all those things are very cultural, right? (1:40:39) Yeah.But like I said, and once again, there there (1:40:42) there is the genetic and the and the cultural. (1:40:44) I think to Jason’s point, highly cultural on the way (1:40:48) we allow ourselves to be ruled, I think. (1:40:52) But maybe genetic in our level that we’re willing to take.(1:40:56) And for us, it’s very little. (1:40:59) So I also handle different levels before they snap or something. (1:41:03) And for us, once we deprogrammed, I’m very curious.(1:41:07) I’m I’m on the level of reading a lot of of the ancient (1:41:12) astronaut theory and the Anunnaki way back in my my wisdom years. (1:41:18) Now I’m just a retard. (1:41:23) But Zacharias, it’s in who a lot of his stuff (1:41:27) I know has been debunked, but many of it hasn’t.(1:41:31) And a lot of it has (1:41:33) come forth and been expanded upon. (1:41:36) And when it comes to the Anunnaki, the ancient Sumerian ideology (1:41:41) surrounding the Anunnaki and why man was created, (1:41:45) the Anunnaki and the mythos came down to this earth (1:41:49) because they were fleeing their homeland from a (1:41:52) a galactic war that hit their homeland. (1:41:58) And or a home planet, I should say, depleted the atmosphere.(1:42:02) So they use some sort of super weapon nukes, something right. (1:42:07) Destroy the atmosphere, destroy their planet. (1:42:09) They found earth and they discover that there were these beings.(1:42:15) They just up first off. (1:42:16) They discovered that earth had these rare metal minerals, (1:42:19) most likely like gold, et cetera, that they could use for their own cause. (1:42:25) And then they saw the these species, (1:42:29) we’ll call it Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon or what have you.(1:42:35) And they realized that they could actually utilize (1:42:40) these beings for a subservient race. (1:42:45) Splice them with their own DNA. (1:42:48) And they experimented a little bit, sort of like what we’re doing right now.(1:42:51) So that’s how I kind of perceive that maybe we are the beings, (1:42:56) we are the children of the Anunnaki. (1:42:58) God still exists, but we are the children of the Anunnaki. (1:43:02) And we were created (1:43:05) originally to be a subservient slave race (1:43:08) to mine the resources that the Anunnaki needed.(1:43:12) And we’re still cycling through that same psyche, (1:43:17) even millennia later. (1:43:21) So you think like subservience was like bred in a little bit to to a point? (1:43:25) I mean, that’s kind of the tribalism. (1:43:27) I mean, even even if we counter that, I’m not (1:43:30) I’m not discounting anything that any of your thoughts on that.(1:43:33) But even if not, evolution itself, utilitarian, utilitarian or for its utility, (1:43:38) it would it would have evolved that way anyway, just to be just to be clear. (1:43:44) You know, like tribalism would evolve that way (1:43:46) because you needed to stay in groups to survive if you weren’t in the group, (1:43:49) if you if you didn’t weren’t in the group and you didn’t do your different tasks. (1:43:53) You were dead.You did not survive. (1:43:55) Like it just was not a thing. (1:43:56) So that’s that’s kind of part of it, right, as a whole.(1:44:00) Interesting. Any final thoughts on that, Jason or Andrew? (1:44:04) Like I said, William threw another comment in there, but (1:44:07) I’m not particularly versed in that sort of thing. (1:44:12) So I couldn’t comment.(1:44:13) I know. Have we gone that far down the rabbit hole? (1:44:19) We’re into Scientology. (1:44:21) Oh, Ron Hubbard, Scientology.(1:44:26) Diagnosis. I’m I’m creating a church. (1:44:28) I’m going to create a church, the church of Van Danik, Van Donaghan, (1:44:34) Eric Van Don, Eric Van Donaghan.(1:44:37) Oh, man. I thought you was going to robber this van down. (1:44:42) Man, Rob Van Dan, yeah.(1:44:45) I’m still Andrew. (1:44:47) I’m still waiting for you to sign off on that. (1:44:50) That Duke ism.(1:44:52) You know, it’s John Wayne’s. (1:44:55) Oh, yeah, yeah. (1:44:57) We’ll do that in Wyoming.We’re not always paying attention. (1:45:01) All right, guys, the one guy that he did (1:45:06) started with Chris. (1:45:08) Why don’t you come downstairs, Chris? (1:45:11) Oh, it was a long day.(1:45:14) It was. Yeah, it was Fonzie. (1:45:17) And then Jesus at the end, she earthed up.(1:45:19) What’s it? It’s Mike Siever. (1:45:23) Kurt Cameron walks in at the in the middle of his service. (1:45:26) He’s like, so are you here to? (1:45:30) Oh, let me guess.(1:45:30) You’re you’re here to recruit people for the church of Mike Siever. (1:45:34) No, I’m here to I’m here to (1:45:37) convert people to Jesus Christ. (1:45:39) There’s a church of Mike Siever.(1:45:44) That’s hilarious, because Cameron’s like the rapture guy, right? (1:45:48) Like, doesn’t he like 50 rapture movies? (1:45:50) Yeah. Yeah. Left behind.(1:45:53) They’re absolutely right. (1:45:54) Growing pains guy. (1:45:56) Candace, his his sister was just on Masked Singer.(1:46:01) So anyway, does anybody watch Masked Singer? (1:46:04) Does that make me sound gay? (1:46:05) I haven’t watched it in a long time. (1:46:08) Let me put it this way. (1:46:09) I know, like everybody that’s on, I’m like, I know them.(1:46:12) I’m like, that’s this dude. (1:46:14) That’s a dude. (1:46:14) Second, I heard them either sing or talk.(1:46:16) I could hear it. (1:46:17) And I’ve actually emailed all of them. (1:46:19) I go, I know your secret.(1:46:20) You better talk to me after the goddamn show’s over. (1:46:23) You better. And you better win to us.(1:46:26) You might be surprised on this year’s Masked Singer. (1:46:29) It’s a lot of good, a lot of good names, a good name. (1:46:31) It’s me.Surprise. (1:46:33) It is Jason of the Mask. (1:46:36) So before we call tonight, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us (1:46:39) on a Thursday night to do this Enneagram thing.(1:46:42) Jason, I know you had to switch your whole schedule around (1:46:45) and you were been busy. (1:46:46) So I am beyond grateful that you could join us tonight. (1:46:49) And I know we didn’t do Monday, but we’ll do Monday again.(1:46:52) Now, I think we’re going to talk about a little whiskey and it’s all good. (1:46:56) And you almost choked some up, too, is great. (1:46:58) Don’t drink it.It’s bad. (1:47:00) It’s awful for you. (1:47:02) Don’t vape.Don’t drink. (1:47:03) Don’t do anything. (1:47:04) And no diet sodas, either.(1:47:06) It’s awful. But to that extent, are we going to cover the woke writer? (1:47:10) Are we going to do the Constitution? (1:47:12) Because I wanted to take a walk, right? (1:47:13) Absolutely. I’m ready for this.(1:47:16) We all right. (1:47:16) We may we did a woke right podcast. (1:47:19) I think like January end of January, I think, is when we first (1:47:22) like kind of started talking or collaborating.(1:47:24) And we did a woke right podcast. (1:47:26) I’d like to I’m going to we’re going to look at that. (1:47:28) We’re going to look at all these things who they’ve lost their frickin minds.(1:47:32) People, they’ve lost their minds. (1:47:35) I’m watching. (1:47:37) I mean, did you guys watch Douglas Murray against Douglas Murray? (1:47:41) And we’ll probably play it on Monday.(1:47:42) But I mean, it’s it’s the best stuff ever. (1:47:46) The Internet is the most beautiful, glorious time ever. (1:47:49) I’m really sad that the simulation is almost over.(1:47:52) I’m almost sad that they’re going to hit reset very soon here. (1:47:56) Singularity people, let’s go. (1:47:58) And Zach, I definitely want to talk with you about thoughts on (1:48:02) the Anunnaki stuff or just a general thing on that.(1:48:05) I have a. (1:48:07) Like up in a wider, it’s worse. (1:48:10) It’s crazy to be a fun one. (1:48:12) I need I need some education on that.(1:48:14) All right, we’ll get you some Anunnaki stuff. (1:48:16) I can get you into star seeds and everything. (1:48:18) That’d be that’d be interesting.(1:48:20) I could even I could probably get my other (1:48:22) I could probably get my other buddy if you want to want to talk to him. (1:48:26) Because he’s go. Yeah.(1:48:28) Get us in touch. (1:48:29) We’ll get us in touch on that. (1:48:30) But we’ll definitely do it.(1:48:31) So, OK, so once again. (1:48:33) Oh, we’ve got to hit this one. (1:48:37) Yeah, yeah, yeah.(1:48:38) We have to hit this one. (1:48:40) Can we do it? (1:48:42) If we actually create a church of retards. (1:48:47) Hmm.We should really. (1:48:49) Require 70% of my. (1:48:51) Wait, wait a second.(1:48:53) 50% of my paycheck. (1:48:55) That would mean that all my my entire paycheck’s gone. (1:48:59) Yeah.(1:49:00) I thought we’re tax free when we’re when we’re a church. (1:49:03) Yeah, I thought it was. (1:49:04) If we’re retards, we should get extra money back for that.(1:49:08) It’s tithing when it’s in church. (1:49:10) It’s not taxes. (1:49:11) What’s what’s exhilarating and bad taste is the aristocratic (1:49:15) pleasure of giving offense.(1:49:17) Charles Baudelaire. (1:49:19) The flowers of evil. (1:49:20) But put your smut away.(1:49:22) What is it? (1:49:25) Put your smut away. (1:49:27) It’s it’s not literature. (1:49:29) Yeah, that’s your clitlet.(1:49:32) Yeah. All right. (1:49:33) Oh, that’s that’s reserved for the restroom, sir.(1:49:36) For your bath. (1:49:39) No, I’m actually curious what what is it? (1:49:43) It’s poetry from France in the 1800s. (1:49:47) OK.(1:49:49) And how are you guys so smart? (1:49:52) Every time I talk with you guys, I feel dumb. (1:49:56) I don’t know. (1:49:57) I don’t know what you’re talking about, man.(1:49:58) I’m a retard. (1:50:00) But we definitely need a church of retards. (1:50:02) I mean, if we can get tax exempt status, (1:50:04) we’ll get church shirts and everything.(1:50:08) All right. Yes. (1:50:09) I’m just working.(1:50:10) The only thing you’d be like, you can’t join. (1:50:12) You can you can get all the merch you want, but no one can be a member (1:50:15) that like it’ll be like an anti-cult. (1:50:18) Oh, we don’t we don’t even have to call it the church of retard.(1:50:21) There’s already a retard. (1:50:22) There’s retard news. (1:50:24) At least yeah, yeah.(1:50:26) At retard news, everybody on X, give give him a is there an underscore? (1:50:32) Isn’t I forget? (1:50:34) I told him, by the way, William, you have no idea. (1:50:37) I think I I don’t think I talk with you about that, (1:50:39) but I think I shared it on some of my stuff. (1:50:41) But anyway, gentlemen, before we call it a day, (1:50:44) we have to cut it before two hours.(1:50:46) I know I know we could be here for eight more hours, (1:50:48) but if we don’t cut it now, (1:50:52) StreamYard will fuck us and will not do a clips. (1:50:55) And I will be really pissed off if it doesn’t do them. (1:50:58) Because Jason and I go two hours and 38 seconds (1:51:02) and we don’t get any fucking AI clips because that’s my fault.(1:51:07) So I know that let’s maybe start. (1:51:11) Let’s go alphabetical one more time. (1:51:12) Andrew, let final words share all your socials, all your shows, (1:51:16) all the podcasts you’re doing, all the all the stuff you’re doing.(1:51:19) Just join us tomorrow morning. (1:51:21) We’re going to go through seven, eight and nine on the enneagram fixations. (1:51:25) Eleven eleven o’clock in the morning.(1:51:27) It’s the program likes you, right? (1:51:30) Find me on X at A.I. (1:51:32) Conan 90 from Detective Conan and A.I. (1:51:34) Conan 90. (1:51:35) It’s where the name comes from. (1:51:38) And just hope you guys knew our program.(1:51:43) Excellent legacy, right? (1:51:46) You know, follow me at the legacy, right? Dot com. (1:51:51) I wish we knew the website. (1:51:54) Good, good, Zach.(1:51:56) Sure. Sure. (1:51:57) I thought we were going alphabetical.(1:52:00) Well, he said legacy, right? (1:52:01) I didn’t do it. (1:52:02) Jason’s being kind. (1:52:03) He’s holding the door for you.(1:52:04) So you better walk through it and say, all right. (1:52:07) Like Andrew said, you can catch us on on Friday. (1:52:10) Every Friday, 11 a.m. Eastern.(1:52:13) That is eight a.m. Pacific. (1:52:17) Yeah, there you go. (1:52:19) See, that was the retard in me.(1:52:22) But enjoy the show. (1:52:23) Yeah, well, we’re going to go dive into the remainder of the enneagram types (1:52:27) and finish out. (1:52:31) What is it? Seven, eight, nine.(1:52:34) Yeah. And then it just enjoy the ride as we continue finishing the book after that. (1:52:39) So I think we have a couple more weeks after that.(1:52:42) Maybe three. (1:52:43) So but you can follow me at at Legacy underscore ZK on X (1:52:50) and then just find the legacy right anywhere, anywhere and everywhere. (1:52:54) We’re on Facebook.(1:52:56) We’re on Instagram and then, of course, YouTube and rumble as well. (1:53:00) And then anywhere you want to listen to our pod. (1:53:04) Awesome.Now, Jason, you’ve got a new project, (1:53:08) so please share, share your new project, share like all the stuff you’ve been doing. (1:53:13) Super exciting. (1:53:14) I’m like so excited for the next episode.(1:53:17) The next episode. (1:53:18) Tell us about that. Tell us all your ways to.(1:53:21) Let me tell you guys, it’s the best show that you’ve ever seen. (1:53:27) If you’ve heard about this podcast, drop the mask. (1:53:29) This guy, he’s got this new morning show called Anarcho Caffeinated.(1:53:35) Have some coffee, have some mental stimulation. (1:53:41) It’s tremendous. It’s the best thing ever.(1:53:44) Not people are saying it. (1:53:46) It’s not me. People, everybody’s saying it’s the best thing ever.(1:53:50) And if you do it, you can be one of the first fans. (1:53:55) You can find Anarcho Caffeinated on X live. (1:53:59) We’ll be live on Friday morning.(1:54:02) I really don’t like to commit to things, (1:54:04) but this is this is happening Friday, Saturday, maybe even Sunday. (1:54:10) We’ll see. But.(1:54:13) It’s the best. It’s tremendous. (1:54:16) It’s huge.It’s going to be great. (1:54:18) It’s going to be so great. (1:54:23) With what time in the morning? (1:54:26) I know I’m not going to.(1:54:27) Don’t talk. Yeah. (1:54:29) Don’t make me do whatever.(1:54:30) Whatever is when you shut your mouth is when that’s when I’m fucking ready. (1:54:35) So I’ll bring it. (1:54:37) So ring that bell, ring that bell and get the notification.(1:54:41) Hey, get that fucking notification bell. (1:54:43) Hey, guys, we’re going live. (1:54:45) It’s five in the afternoon.Time for breakfast. (1:54:48) Get that ding dong, y’all. Get that bell going.(1:54:51) Right. No, it’s really funny because it’s like I think I did it (1:54:54) at like nine thirty or ten here, which is way afternoon in the East Coast. (1:54:59) So it’s well past coffee time.(1:55:02) But whatever. Come on in. (1:55:04) I had a great time.(1:55:05) I had my coffee, man. It was a good time. (1:55:07) It I highly recommend it, guys.(1:55:10) It’s really good. (1:55:11) And it’s a great start. (1:55:12) Like, and it’s funny, I’m I’m watching once again.(1:55:17) We don’t know each other very long, just a few months. (1:55:19) But I’m watching the progression of each of, you know, Zach and Andrew shows. (1:55:24) Jason, I’m watching you just do this stuff.(1:55:26) It’s like it’s so cool to watch this. (1:55:28) I don’t know what it’s going to be, but it definitely is different (1:55:31) than it was a few months ago. (1:55:33) Like, I would argue that around.(1:55:35) Really? Yeah. (1:55:37) You know, I’m trying different things. (1:55:38) I don’t know.(1:55:39) I don’t know how you guys do like shows almost every day. (1:55:43) Well, Nancy, we we we take shots of B12 (1:55:47) and some vitamin C and then we tear down this wall. (1:55:53) Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.(1:55:56) I was thinking about doing an impression show because I’ve got a lot of them. (1:55:59) They’re just not good. (1:56:00) There’s a lot of them.(1:56:01) They’re good. They’re good. (1:56:02) I’d watch it.(1:56:03) Tell yourself short, man. They’re good. (1:56:05) I would.Thank you. (1:56:06) Well, I’m sure I met you. (1:56:08) I’m very fucking short.(1:56:10) Final thoughts, gentlemen, before I click it, because we got it. (1:56:13) We got to cut it. (1:56:14) So thank you again, everybody, to showed up 30 people.(1:56:17) Very nice. Thank you. (1:56:18) Thank you for wasting and sharing, really sharing your time with us on a Thursday.(1:56:22) Please click follow. (1:56:24) There’s a couple shows. (1:56:25) If I whiskey drop the mask pod (1:56:28) and anarcho caffeinated.(1:56:31) Can you guys share your shows again, please? (1:56:33) Gentlemen, we got legacy news Tuesday and Wednesday. (1:56:37) We actually cut it. (1:56:38) We only do it Tuesday, Wednesday, now crypto Wednesday, every Wednesday.(1:56:42) And then basically culture on news on Tuesday every at 5 p.m. (1:56:47) on YouTube. (1:56:48) So and then 5 p.m. (1:56:50) Eastern on YouTube and then the legacy right drops live on Friday (1:56:53) and go straight to the pod circuit after that at 11 a.m. (1:56:58) Awesome. And then, gentlemen, Andrew, add add the other one.(1:57:02) Add the other one that we’re on. (1:57:05) We’d love to be on the World Blockchain Roundtable with Joe Roitz (1:57:08) and maybe our two. (1:57:10) That’s right.This guy with the with the emperor, right? (1:57:13) Like, yeah, Greg, like on Lisa and Satoshi, Sean. (1:57:18) So don’t join us. (1:57:19) Yes, I got to do another one with Will and that was fun.(1:57:23) He was good. Yeah, we will do that. (1:57:26) Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much again for joining.(1:57:28) We’ll we’ll talk after we’ll get we’ll get some shows going. (1:57:31) Last comment for every quick, quick comment for everybody. (1:57:35) If you want a social media experience, that’s a little bit different.(1:57:40) Divorces from the algorithm puts you in control (1:57:43) and actually a chance to be an owner (1:57:47) effectively of your content in any way, shape or form. (1:57:50) Go. All you need is an email.(1:57:53) But go go sign up and join den dot social. (1:57:56) That’s D.N. dot social. (1:58:00) And it’s a revolution.(1:58:02) It’s it can be a throwaway email. (1:58:04) It doesn’t have to be, you know, your main email address. (1:58:08) Do your main social.(1:58:10) Don’t even throw it away. (1:58:11) Main email. Good.Get it. (1:58:13) Main email right up right off the bat. (1:58:15) They he doesn’t sell it, I’m sure.(1:58:17) Yeah, no one does that. (1:58:20) Everybody, thank you again for joining us. (1:58:22) Andrew, thanks for making this a subject for us to follow.(1:58:25) I’m really excited to talk more. (1:58:27) Let’s be to God per Zach. (1:58:28) You can tell for me the way he’s thinking, Jesus, I think.(1:58:32) Oh, that was for the legacy of my mom. (1:58:35) Oh, the legacy. Apologies.(1:58:37) But yeah, to God as well. (1:58:38) So because there is nothing but Christ. (1:58:41) Happy Easter, everybody.(1:58:43) Take care. Bye bye. (1:58:45) Bye.I do. (1:59:16) I don’t know what the fuck I did. (1:59:18) I didn’t fucking do.