Kerry Slone (@thereal_SnS), Founder of WeTheFemale.net

Kerry Slone of WeTheFemale.net joins me for a chat!

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(0:02) Welcome, welcome, welcome everybody. This is the second podcast of the evening. I just finished (0:08) one up with Andy Semichuk.I have Kerry Sloan of wethefemale.net. Kerry, I met you at AmFest (0:16) a few weeks ago. I was fortunate to take a picture. You were kind enough to take a picture with me.(0:23) I see it pops up and we’re going to have a conversation. Thank you so much for accepting (0:30) my invitation to join the Knocked Conscious family. Thank you for having me on.I’m glad to do it (0:36) and I look forward to our chat. I know you on the X space, the real SNS, is that correct? (0:43) Yeah. My X space is definitely different than my organization.That’s where I do a lot of (0:48) trash talking as well, but more political stuff as opposed to, if you follow me on my other social (0:53) media accounts for just my organization, it’s a very different voice for obvious reasons. (1:00) Stilettos and shotguns, you’ll definitely see with the female, but you won’t always see (1:05) stilettos and shotguns on with the female, if that makes any sense or the other way around. (1:09) No, I completely understand that because you have to keep that professional side a little (1:13) separate for sure.With the female, I started looking into this and you have your story, (1:21) what the origin story. It is always vital how we find the person becoming the person they are. (1:30) Because this is where we find differences, when someone turned left instead of turn right.(1:34) We find where we differ is where we go back in time to where we had experiences that may have (1:40) changed or something like that. I’d love for you to share what We the Female is and how that came (1:47) to fruition. I make the joke that I’m half Texan on my grandfather’s side.My mother’s family are (1:55) from Midland, Odessa, Texas. To hear the West Texas side tell you the real side, (2:03) you know the controversy. There’s always a little poking fun at each other there.(2:07) I was never afraid of guns. I’ve always been around guns. That was never a thing.(2:14) Many years ago, I became a victim of domestic violence. I had left my husband who was the (2:23) abuser. At that time, we were splitting up.We were getting along or working on that for our (2:29) daughter. I invited him to my home for Thanksgiving so we could have a Thanksgiving together. It was (2:36) the first one that we were going to be separated, living apart with.He came over and proceeded to (2:43) get drunk. Of course, hid the fact as they always do that he also had been prescribed (2:49) bipolar medication at this point. He was active duty military at this point.I don’t know if you (2:54) know anything. First of all, drinking can just make people crazy anyway. If you’re familiar with (3:01) the legitimate dangers to themselves and other people with bipolar medication and (3:06) drinking, it’s bad.Bipolar itself. Just being bipolar itself is already a danger. (3:13) Right.The combination. Right. Of course, we didn’t know this.I didn’t (3:20) discourage him from drinking because I didn’t know he was on these meds. He proceeds to get (3:27) drunk. Everybody’s leaving for the night.Not because of that. We all had a good time. Great (3:31) evening.Then he was ready to leave. He was convinced that I had hidden his keys from him, (3:40) which was not the case. They had fallen between a table, a sofa table and the sofa, (3:45) and kind of bounced when they hit the ground just right to the underside of the sofa.We couldn’t (3:49) find them. Proceeded to beat the hell out of me for three hours, essentially saying that he was (3:56) going to continue beating me until I found the keys. Or excuse me, gave him back his keys, (4:03) to which I kept trying to tell him, I don’t know where your keys are.I was sexually assaulted as (4:09) well. I don’t talk about that a lot. I feel like there’s enough people that talk about that in the (4:14) two-way space that I don’t need to rehash that.That’s a spot that’s still a little sensitive (4:18) for me. But he was arrested on, they caught him after he left. He had already left by the time (4:28) the law enforcement showed up.They got him on the road and arrested him for DUI, which was (4:38) cut and dry. That was a black and white issue. He blew well over the limit, especially being on the (4:44) meds.Even a DWI or whatever, because you’re under some influence anyway. It was high. I don’t (4:51) remember what it was, but I remember it was… Put a pin in that and I’ll tell you why I was (4:56) surprised they let it go.Then felony, class C felony, domestic assault. The reason that they (5:04) charged him with a felony is because my face was bloody and my mouth cut up. My eyes were swollen (5:10) and shut by the time that the cops got there.Fast forward to… This was on a Thursday. (5:19) For those that don’t know, when there’s a holiday, your speedy due process of your arraignment, (5:26) doesn’t have to happen in 72 hours. It can be extended because of the holiday, which is what (5:32) happened.This was Thanksgiving, right? We’re talking about it’s day off, one day, day off, (5:37) but you’re already off anyway. Correct. It was four days later.It was the following Monday (5:41) before he was arraigned, to which at that point you can imagine what I’d look like. (5:45) They gave four days for those bruises to finally come to the surface and it was bad. Two black eyes, (5:51) my nose was swollen, the inside of my mouth was cut up, he’d fractured my teeth.(5:54) When I say bruised, head to toe, literally head to toe. I’ve got some tendon damage in my (6:02) ankles. I had fingerprints around my throat where he picked me up and threw me around.(6:09) The reason that matters, just to tell you those details, is because… I’m sorry, y’all. (6:14) Those are my dogs. They’ll probably be intermittently making a vocal guest appearance.(6:22) It’s totally okay. It’s hilarious because my girlfriend and I don’t have a dog currently. We (6:26) had one, had two, but we have… Her girlfriend’s downstairs and she invited her over and they bring (6:32) the dog over and we have… My niece is in visiting from back East.She’s like, (6:37) okay, dog might go upstairs and might bark. I go, no, I think Carrie has dogs. I think she (6:41) has dogs.I think we’re all simpatico here. Maybe the dogs will get on. We’ll get them on, (6:46) have them talking to each other before we get started because they’re obnoxious.Because we (6:51) live in the woods, every little noise, they just want to go after it. Sometimes it’s all night (6:56) long. It’s just nuts.Yeah, I’m talking to you. I just got a little kaboomy. Anyway, (7:04) so the reason why giving you the details of what I look like matters is because that following (7:09) Monday, the female prosecutor, the female, say that again, prosecutor, I sat down with her and (7:18) she looked at me and she says, well, he’s got no priors.He’s active duty military. I said, (7:22) yeah, but they’re kicking him out of it. They were kicking him out of the military on a separate (7:25) issue.Not behavior wise. It was some other stuff, medical, whatever. (7:32) And she said, well, because of all of this, we’re going to drop the DUI charge completely.(7:39) So that’s what I was saying. That’s why it mattered. Because he blew well over the legal (7:44) limit.They had him. They had him on a DUI, just locked down. It would have been an extreme DUI (7:48) or whatever, even at that point or whatever.It would have been, yeah, whatever the next level (7:52) of it is. Yeah, absolutely. It absolutely would have been.And they dropped that totally. And (7:56) they dropped the felony domestic assault charge to a class C misdemeanor so they could offer him (8:04) a diversion agreement. And for those of you that aren’t familiar with diversion agreements, (8:08) essentially that means that he commits to restitution, not to me.I had to apply separately (8:16) to receive restitution for me and all my expenses. Through a civil suit or still through some (8:22) no. So when you’re in a situation like this, a victim so that they have to pay fines to the (8:28) court and that kind of stuff.But a victim can request financial restitution on these types (8:37) of situations for their time lost, you know, and work and all these kind of things. So I (8:42) I requested that they denied it, which is excuse my language. But they did.Oh, (8:52) there is no there’s no language barrier here. Oh, good. Oh, you sure? Free speech.I don’t (8:57) know. You heard there’s this thing called free speech. I’ve already got a strike for (9:00) I got a strike on YouTube for saying an opinion and then saying it’s just my opinion.Yeah. And (9:06) then they still struck me for it. So, you know, that’s why X is becoming so popular.Even it’s (9:11) that’s why it’s live streaming there as well. Yeah. So I said, well, I’m (9:18) and the reason she did that, I know I know why she did it.And that’s because (9:24) domestic abuse victims don’t typically testify against their abusers. And there’s a lot of (9:30) valid reasons why. So before anybody who watches this decides that they want to posture up with (9:35) me on this, I promise you, you will lose that argument because you don’t know if you in any (9:39) way whatsoever, blame a victim of domestic abuse for staying in her situation or not falling (9:45) through with something.It’s usually because you have absolutely no idea, like, because the (9:51) amount of cycle I had a hard time ending a relationship that slowly faded over time. (9:57) Okay, that I had a hard time breaking that off. Yeah, that was someone that was I was friendly (10:02) with.Imagine being terrified. Well, imagine being under duress. Imagine being threatened.(10:07) Imagine, right, threatened duress and all the pressure. There is no way to write and and also (10:15) each situation is different, although these are similarly tyrannical in their in their nature. (10:22) You know, well, they oftentimes they’re isolated, they’re forced away from their families.(10:29) They’re forced into financial lockdown, which he tried with me that didn’t that didn’t fly. (10:34) Fortunately, that’s the tactic, right? They separate from your friends, so that they’re (10:38) only his friends or whatever, no friends, no family, all that contact, and then they financially (10:42) lock you up so that you are, you’re stuck, like, stuck. So and then they continue on to make you (10:49) believe that when they when they do finally start hitting you that it’s your fault.And I still (10:53) struggle with believing certain things are my fault to this day, like, and I’ve been through (10:58) therapy, and I’ve done a lot of stuff. And I work with abuse. So even though consciously, I know I’m (11:02) not, I’ll still, I’m still affected.And I still have to work through those things. There’s still (11:07) things that I’m afraid to do in my life. Where the root of that fear is based on not being good (11:14) enough, that like, it’s still a struggle, like cooking is one of them, because I couldn’t cook (11:18) right.And then I was then I was, I couldn’t cook anything right. But then when I didn’t cook, (11:23) I was also a horrible person. Like, so like, they literally put you in situations where you can’t (11:30) that’s one of the reasons I can’t stand so many people using the term gaslighting.Nowadays, (11:36) and they just throw it around, like most people have no idea what gaslighting really is (11:41) that are using. That’s like legit, absolute, bona fide gaslighting. It’s a 100%.Yeah, (11:47) I lived in that, right? Like 100%. So which is a manipulation of somebody’s reality and (11:55) intentional manipulation of somebody’s reality. It’s not just a lie.I mean, it’s not informed (11:58) consent, to be completely honest. No, no. And that’s, they create this false reality that you (12:05) think is the reality and you make decisions based on what you think the illusion that they drew for (12:10) you.So you’re not being informed correctly. And you’re being manipulated. It’s those are lies.(12:15) Well, it’s bigger than that, too. But anyway, so yeah, yes. So I, I was willing to testify (12:22) against him.And I told her that I said, I’m willing to testify against him. (12:27) And she looked at me, I’ll never forget it. She looked at me, she says, Are you sure about that? (12:32) Most victims don’t want to testify against their, their abusers.And again, for all the reasons, (12:37) it’s true. And I said, Yeah, I said, I know that. And yes, I’m absolutely committed to doing it, (12:42) because I don’t want him doing this to anybody else.And she still gave him the diversion agreement. (12:47) And one of the and that means they did that. Did they do that just to also like lock a conviction (12:52) to because it would be harder because of his pattern? Oh, okay.Okay. It’s not even a conviction. (12:58) They literally just basically dismiss the like, oh, yeah, because she didn’t think she could get (13:03) the wind, right? Because here’s the reality.Prosecutors, DAs, all these people, they don’t (13:07) give a crap about victims. They give a shit about their winning loss record. And she didn’t think (13:12) that she was she didn’t think she was going to get the conviction.So she was willing to divert this (13:17) even though it was it was there, but there was all kinds of concrete proof. And then I didn’t (13:24) talk about this a lot in the beginning, mostly just because I’d kind of forgotten about a little (13:27) bit. But um, you know, because you block things out, right? The trauma sometimes, but he also the (13:32) and it’s not as significant of a piece of the story, which is part of it too.But he was also (13:38) the Navy swept it under the rug to now they don’t do that anymore. They’re much this was my incident (13:44) happened about 17. I’m not quite 17 years ago.And the way that they handle these situations has (13:52) significantly changed. Like they don’t they don’t tolerate it’s almost too much the other way. (13:57) Right.I mean, like I can like hitting NFL has addressed some of theirs with (14:02) with their players. Well, no, no, no, no. I’m talking about I’m talking about on a PR.I’m (14:08) talking on a complete PR standpoint. They’re trying to cover these right by by addressing (14:13) them, right? Like while they let Joe Mixon and Kareem Hunt still play. You know, I don’t but (14:18) when when football players are getting punished greater for smoking weed than they are beating (14:24) women.That was when I stopped watching professional football. And that’s been (14:27) about 20 years. I stopped as well.Just so you know, I see I saw Joe Mixon knock out that woman (14:31) and he pulled a gun on somebody like a week ago or something a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, it’s (14:35) just I don’t support professional. So anyway, I agree.Okay, so so they do handle it differently (14:41) than they did then. But back then it was handled much less. Well, they were kicking him out (14:46) already anyway.So they’re like, well, why why bother with, you know, sending him the mask? (14:50) You know, he’s out. So but so he goes into arraignment again. You have to remember, (14:54) by this point, I was in bad shape like that.That was the same day that the that the county (15:01) sheriff’s department actually came and took the photos of me for my for the for the records. (15:07) Right. Because they have to wait for the bruises to show up.So it was the same day. And they (15:11) always do it on the day that it’s the worst, which is by design. Right.So but when somebody (15:15) successfully completes a diversion agreement, what they have to do is they have to pay a fine, (15:21) they have to go to counseling for so many sessions of counseling, and they can’t get anything on (15:26) their on be charged or convicted of anything worse than a traffic ticket for however many years they (15:32) designate. I think in his case, it was five years. And once that’s done, then what it shows on your (15:39) on your record is that you successfully completed a diversion agreement.So it’s (15:43) not even a conviction or an acquittal. It’s just a successful, (15:50) successful diversion, diversion agreement, right? Even admission of guilt. So (15:53) no, no, no, I’m just saying like, I don’t even know those terms.I’m just saying it’s like, (15:57) you’re just being you just got to be a good boy for five years. And then it’s like, wipe clean, (16:01) basically, essentially. Yeah.So one of the things that really struck me was after I, (16:08) after the arraignment, and I was standing out in the hall with the two arresting deputy sheriffs. (16:14) And they said to me, Do you have a place to go for three, four or five days, I can’t remember (16:18) exactly what it was. And to hide that he doesn’t know about.And I thought that was an odd thing (16:24) to say to me. And I said, Well, yeah, I do. Why? And they said, because the chances of violence (16:31) actually increasing is going to be very significant once he’s released from jail.And (16:38) that is because abuse abusers are narcissists. And in some cases, and in my case, mine was a (16:43) sociopath as well. And so they in a narcissist or sociopaths mind, right, it’s it’s much bigger (16:53) than just making somebody else feel like the victim, they live, or making it somebody else’s (16:57) They legitimately believe in their warped minds, that they’re the victim.(17:03) They’re delusional, 100% delusional. (17:05) And it can’t be treated with medicine. And the only way it can be treated is through (17:10) behavior therapy modification.And that’s the catch 22 with narcissism is that you can’t treat (17:17) somebody that doesn’t think they have a problem. So like less than less than 5% of narcissists (17:23) are called self admitted narcissists when they’re willing to be acknowledge it and be able to get (17:29) therapy for it. Very, very few, they’re out there, but it’s, it’s less than 5%.It’s actually like (17:35) 2% is because you’re blind to the thing that is what makes you the thing, right? Correct. Yeah, (17:40) yeah, totally makes sense. So that was that was interesting to me.And that was shocking. At that (17:45) time, I didn’t have a gun. And it wasn’t because I was anti gun.I just never crossed my mind. You (17:49) know, I just never I didn’t live in a gun culture in Washington State where I lived. (17:52) You knew of them and you’re like, okay, and it’s fine.But I of course, I had, as you can imagine, (18:00) horrific nightmares. It was awful, to the point where anyone imagined be honest, it was it was (18:07) pretty bad. So like, I have crowns on my teeth.That’s how I had to have crowns put on my teeth (18:12) from the fracture from him hitting me so hard and my jaw and how it didn’t break my jaw surprises me (18:18) have some joint problems with it. But for my teeth to be fractured, because they when he punched (18:23) me, it, you know, it went like this nice, they came together and fractured. But it’s on the side.(18:28) That’s why I pointed to it. But um, it’s uh, um, those cops knew that he wasn’t going to do that. (18:39) So that also added to the fear and the trauma, right? So the the night terrors, people have (18:45) night terrors and things with PTSD.Well, you know, I’d have that but I would actually wake (18:50) up from those night terrors fully conscious and my vocal cords would be paralyzed. Or my and so (18:55) I couldn’t scream or even say anything, which is terrifying, you know, on top of the terror. (19:01) My legs, it’s like a paralysis.Yeah, it was. Yeah. So my legs were paralyzed.Sometimes I (19:06) couldn’t move my legs, you know, these types of things. So I did go to a special therapy called (19:12) EMDR. It’s a very common treatment, like the light therapy.It’s sensory therapy. So it’s a (19:18) light bar. It’s it’s a sound and a you hold these little things and they vibrate and it makes your (19:24) brain process differently.Anyway, it helped with the nightmares. They improved. They didn’t go away (19:29) completely.You recommend that for people? I do. However, you need to have a very good (19:39) psychologist that can administer that test that understands it really well. And in my case, (19:46) the therapist I had, she was good at administering it.But one of the things that she did not make (19:50) clear to me when I started that therapy was that you get worse before you get better. Because it (19:59) doesn’t just address the trauma, right? It’s not you can’t go in and say I want to your brain, (20:05) right? This this amazing has to bring out the trauma first before it can really hit whatever (20:09) other trauma that you’ve got is going to come out. And so it gets worse before it gets better.And (20:14) she neglected to tell me that. But that being said, the nightmares, that’s an interesting thing (20:19) to not to not mention, because you would it just seems like a general how people are with any kind (20:26) of wellness is that there is a pain first before any progress. And I think that she just dropped (20:31) you know, whatever it is.So the nightmares did get better, they didn’t go away completely. (20:37) And it wasn’t until I remarried, and I was married, I married another sailor, (20:42) it’s what happens when you live in a town with three military bases. I married who I’m married (20:47) to now.He’s now a retired military officer. But he took me down and and bought, we bought a (20:54) shotgun. And I put a shotgun on a rail on the side of my bed.So all I had to do is reach down and (21:00) grab it on this cool rail. And that’s my nightmare stopped. So what’s interesting about that and the (21:07) brain and how the brain works is I would have dreams.Before I had the shotgun, I would actually (21:13) have nightmares of me shooting my abuser. And I remember one in particular, I shot him with a (21:18) shotgun and his head exploded. Like this is how violent my dreams are like they were awful.And (21:23) half of his head exploded. And the half of it that was still intact was laughing at me and he was (21:28) still coming after me and threatening to kill my daughter. Like that’s how wild these dreams were.(21:32) But they all ended. So those went away with the therapy. I still had other kinds of nightmares, (21:38) things like calling 911 and nobody answering, or putting me on hold and the bad guys were still (21:42) coming, you know, those those kind of nightmares.But when I bought that shotgun, it went away. And (21:48) so long before I was literally that night, just just a peace of mind, something just Yeah, it (21:57) you can correlate the two for sure. 100% can correlate the two.Yeah, I can’t tell you the (22:01) exact date. But 100% Yeah. So long before I was in the gun industry, and the guns, you know, (22:08) the two way space or any of that I owned a day spa.And worked in that worked in that field (22:14) with women. But that’s where the name stilettos and shotguns actually came from. So it’s because (22:20) the shotgun is what changed the trauma for me.For those of you that don’t understand PTSD and (22:26) trauma, you don’t cure you can’t cure PTSD. So without taking up a whole hour of the science on (22:32) this, the the the hot take for you is that the brain being the amazing machine that it is, (22:39) is that when there’s severe trauma like that your brains neurons will actually re like it’ll rewire (22:44) itself to protect you from the trauma because your brain struggles to disassociate whether (22:52) it’s real or not. So your brain that was what happened to me is was the nightmares, right.And (23:00) so but because my brain was permanently rewired, I still struggle to sleep because I would go seven (23:06) or eight days, literally not even an hour of sleep how I look back on that now. God, how did I do (23:12) that? running a business and sometimes being having to operate as a single mom when my husband was (23:17) deployed. And not going it’s amazing what the body can do.You know, it’s just a it’s a fascination (23:23) to me. After living through some and it’s interesting how acutely sharp it is under (23:29) that duress, because you’re you’re feeling under some kind of stress. That’s what it is.That’s (23:33) driving. Yeah, yeah. Alive.And that’s what your acuteness is, you’re still focused and sharp. And (23:38) you can do it for a really long time, surprisingly with the body. But there’s a point where it just (23:43) shuts down.It just shuts it down. Yeah. And it’s super fascinating, you know, but anyway, (23:48) so fast forward several years.And in why I lived at that time. I mean, I live in Georgia now. But (23:55) at the time I lived in Washington State.And Washington State introduced a law called 1639. (24:02) If you’re in the two way space at all, or lived in Washington State, you’re familiar with this law, (24:06) because at the time that it was presented, it was called 1639. I 1639.I’m sorry, what was it (24:14) called again? 1639. I initiative. So I think I just lost you.That’s okay. I think I just lost (24:27) your Oh, hold on one second. Please continue.Okay. I is an initiative. So I 1639 was the bill.(24:36) And it was at the time that it was presented seven, almost seven years ago, it was the strict, (24:43) it was one of the stricter gun control laws in the country. And they, they introduced it a month (24:50) after the Parkland, the Stoneman Douglas, Marjorie Stoneman Douglas shooting in Florida. And they, (24:58) actually, it wasn’t even a month, it was within a few weeks, which means they had it written, (25:01) and they were waiting, they had it sitting, waiting to introduce it for at the right time that, you (25:06) know, gun politicians, if nothing else, are opportunists.And we find that more as a running (25:13) theme. No, yeah, isn’t that the truth? So we so I read it, and most people don’t actually read (25:20) legislation. And that’s what has gotten so many people into trouble, though, at the very best, (25:25) usually, what they do is they read the, the highlights or the descriptions, right in the (25:31) summaries in their pamphlet, but they don’t actually read the bill.Well, this bill was (25:37) actually taken off of the ballot, because it didn’t meet the criteria. For those of you that (25:42) don’t know anything about petitions and initiatives, and these types of things, when they’re (25:45) trying to get things on the ballot, very strict criteria that they have to follow the paper has (25:52) to be a certain size, like for when you’re signing the petitions, and what you’re reading the bill, (25:56) when you’re reading it, has to be on the weight of the paper has to be a certain weight, the paper (26:00) has to be a certain size, the font has to be a very specific size, it has to be it’s just it’s (26:05) really detailed. Well, the font, there was two bills that were produced, the fonts were (26:09) intentionally one was a tax, grocery tax or something.The the fonts were intentionally (26:15) too small and something else was like the margins were off some goofy. It got pulled off on a (26:21) technicality and ended up getting conveniently snuck back on the ballot at the last minute. (26:28) So there were a lot of components in this bill that sounded great to people that I mean, even (26:32) people that support gun ownership, but want responsible safe gun ownership, safe storage, (26:38) you know, this bill made it a law that you are obligated to keep your guns safely stored at home, (26:42) or you can be charged with a felony if it’s stolen and used in a crime.Okay, cool. What if you’re on (26:49) vacation? And you don’t know somebody’s broken in your house and take me right? Even better? What (26:55) what are they? What do they classify as safe storage? They didn’t. The bill also forced a (27:04) mandatory and even the better one is because it completely infringes on four on the Fourth (27:09) Amendment.How can you come and ask to check if I’m safe storing my gun safely? You can’t ask me (27:16) about my firearms? Well, yeah, but that wasn’t even a direct like there was nothing in it even (27:21) about what they would do in that respect. Right? But you understand like that just leaves it so (27:26) open that that that leaves other violations even more in the gray zone, right? Like in that way. So (27:31) so it also had in there that you had to take an online Well, you could take it online, you had to (27:37) take a safety class, which was bullshit.It was a joke. A lot of people we were offering it for free, (27:43) just because it was just and it was literally 10 minutes online, the slideshow. (27:49) But you have to do that.And then it was an automatic, what they call the cooling off (27:54) period for rifles, right? So you had to wait an automatic 10 days to be able to get a rifle. (27:59) They also reclassified many rifles, including some manufacturers lever action 22. So for those (28:06) of you that may have done any squirrel shooting with your grandpa and your kids, that was that (28:11) was they reclassified some of those as assault weapons.(28:18) Yeah, there was like 75 guns on it. And it’s just a list that gets passed around from state to state (28:26) is really what it is. And nobody checks because these gun people they don’t know, (28:30) right? They don’t know guns.Yeah. So the bumps bump stock and the machine gun from the (28:36) come on. So yeah, all that.That being said, one of the components that was in this that wasn’t in (28:43) any of the promotion, any of the advertising, or in the summary, right in the voters pamphlet, (28:50) by the way, he’s now dead, but Paul Allen that on the Seahawks, his he helped heavily fund that (28:57) bill getting passed because his sister was very anti gun. I think he was more apathetic about it. (29:01) But his sister was very anti gun.And so he put a millions and millions of dollars into getting (29:07) that that bill passed and advertised. But it was false advertisement because the big component in (29:12) it that is that threw me into all of this was the one clause that was actually the most clearly (29:18) written in the entire piece of legislation. And to paraphrase it said that when you go to sign (29:26) to purchase a gun, you and you sign your 4473.For those of you that don’t know what that is, (29:32) a 4473 is a federal background check form performed by what’s called Nick’s system, (29:39) and I see s system, Nick’s system. And it’s a federal background check done through the FBI (29:46) to make sure that you are not a prohibited person and can’t own a gun. So if somebody tells you that (29:52) you can just go buy a gun, guns are as easy to buy as oranges at a grocery store, ask them where (29:57) they’re shopping, because I’d like to know, because they’re actually I have some, I think maybe or (30:03) maybe not.And I believe this form is basically 20 questions about asking every legal citizen (30:07) if you’re going to use it for this user that it’s mandatory. I cannot ship any firearm to my house, (30:14) I have to ship it to a firearm dealer to fill out the paperwork before I can ever do that. A lot of (30:19) people possibly might not know that.So it is definitely good to it’s a huge process, actually, (30:25) to even to purchase a gun, even even if you have a permit, some states, if you have a permit, (30:29) they won’t make you go through the federal background check because the permit as you’ve (30:33) already done it with your permit and the fingerprints and everything. Yeah, some states that (30:36) doesn’t matter. Washington State being one of those, it used to be that you could still get (30:39) your permit if you had a or if you had a permit, you didn’t have to do that, which is not the case (30:44) anymore.And a lot of states have moved away from that. But again, it’s silly. So anyway, so that’s (30:48) that’s what that is.And in Washington State now, when you sign that next form, that 4473, (30:58) to get your background check, it’s also a waiver of your HIPAA rights, like your medical rights, (31:05) so that they can look at your your medical record and deny you the purchase of a gun based on what (31:12) they see in your medical record. Now, we all know that they’re not looking for a broken arm, (31:16) they’re obviously looking for things like PTSD. So PTSD, there are studies out there that show (31:23) that the second largest demographic that suffers from PTSD as a whole, to veterans, veterans being (31:29) number one, and that’s always that we always associate PTSD with veterans typically.But the (31:35) second there are studies again, and I’m sure there’s studies that probably say it’s car (31:40) but there’s enough studies out there that it’s disturbing. It’s not taking note that domestic (31:47) violence victims are second. It’s a huge number for PTSD.So that’s and that’s what they’re looking (31:56) for. Of course. So I spoke out of I spoke out about it.And when you need services to help, (32:02) like say, for example, there’s government services available for you to admit that you have met that (32:06) you’re challenged with certain things with PTSD. Now you’re on the forms that they can now use (32:11) against you to prohibit you from protecting yourself like a conscious citizen. Yeah, (32:15) put a pin in that.Now I’m going to open your eyes to a few things. It’s going to surprise you (32:19) with that. Yeah, I want to come back to educate your listeners that may not know.Absolutely. (32:25) But so I spoke out about that, you know, at the time, my I owned one of the most successful day (32:31) spas in Washington State, I was one of the first people to create an apprenticeship program to (32:35) train people, I was educating people, I had all these employees, like life was good, right. And (32:39) my life literally changed overnight, because that the post that I made about that, that law (32:46) was simply to paraphrase, I should find that reposted.It’s been a minute. (32:54) For those of you that that voted for this, and right now at this point, I’m talking to my (32:58) friends on Facebook, this was a Facebook post, initially, and then I screenshotted it and put (33:03) on my Instagram, which at the time, I like 300 followers, because it was my personal one, (33:07) it was just my play, right. And it was a beauty page.It was beauty and fashion. It wasn’t right. (33:12) You know, but it said, For those of you that voted for this, you just put me in a position (33:18) where I could be denied the purchase of a firearm, because I have PTSD on my medical (33:24) record from being beaten.And you and at this point, right, I was a very prominent member of (33:33) my community. I own commercial real estate in this this town that I lived in. I had this prominent (33:39) business, I was an employer, I was involved in the community.So people knew who I was, (33:42) they knew my situation, because I didn’t hide from it. I came to work black and blue every day. (33:47) Because I wasn’t going to hide in shame as a driver.So they all knew, they all knew what (33:51) happened. And they also knew he was stalking me. Afterward, he took a job as a pizza delivery (33:57) driver to justify having a reason to be in my neighborhood, right on the condo.That’s how (34:02) it’s like, I told you he was a psychopath. Yeah, he’s a sociopath. That’s what that’s what that (34:06) would do.Yes. Yeah, he took a second job. He took a second job.He worked for the he was a (34:11) DoD employee during the day and then took this second job blamed me, because now he had to hire (34:15) a lawyer. And so it was my fault. He had to take a second job.But it was really he took the second (34:19) job so that he could stalk me. So so he got some kind of honorable discharge, I guess, then (34:26) to allow him to work as an employee in the DoD or Yeah, yeah, it wasn’t dishonorable. No, it was (34:31) not right.Right. Well, obviously, and he and I’m sure I mean, part of the PTSD from him was from (34:36) whatever he experiences, you know, in his, he didn’t have PTSD. I’m sorry, he did not.Oh, (34:43) that’s right. He’s bipolar, right? That’s right. I apologize.Right. So how, how was he diagnosed (34:50) bipolar? Was he bipolar before entering the Navy? Did that exacerbate it? Did that? No, (34:54) I don’t know. Because that didn’t light until after we’d already separated.So that was all (35:00) afterwards. If I overstepped, please tell me I just I just trying to understand the best, you (35:04) know. So I, so I spoke about it.And I said, you know, so you just put me in a position (35:13) where I may be denied the purchase of a gun to defend myself from him. And guys know he’s (35:19) stalking me. And I got a lot of Oh, my God, I’m so sorry.I can’t believe he did that to you. You (35:26) know, I you know, I did not know or not that he did that to you. I can’t I did not know that.And (35:31) I said, Yeah, because you didn’t read the bill. And they said, Yeah, we read the bill. We read (35:35) the bill.I’m like, you didn’t because that was the only it was the last paragraph in the bill (35:39) or one of the last paragraphs. And it was the very it was the only thing that was very clear. (35:44) Because oftentimes what happens with legislation is it’s not what the legislation says.It’s what (35:50) it doesn’t say that. And it’s how this arbitrary language that they use and how we’re going to set (35:56) up committees to make these decisions. And they fund these committees and that everybody has (35:59) plausible viability.That’s a whole other show. I’m happy to break down for you to help educate (36:03) people on how to read legislation because it’s it’s wild when you’re when you actually important (36:08) also because we we do not as a general population understand how we get bamboozled. (36:14) And it’s done on purpose.They make it hard. Oh, yeah. So that you don’t read it.Right. (36:18) That’s all legislators can’t read it, even in time. So it’s how can we expect? (36:24) Yeah, exactly.So they were shocked. And I said, Well, you did this. So long story short, (36:31) I put it over on Instagram.Just for shits and giggles. Just you know, just as I shouldn’t even (36:38) say shits and giggles, just as an awareness thing, you know, there was nothing political (36:42) about anything I did at that time, especially over on Instagram. But I followed some gun pages (36:47) and stuff, you know, and to a pages because I’m a gun, you know, I like guns, but I was not in the (36:52) world.I was not in the in the gun world at all in the industry, the community, any of it. And (37:00) a bunch of people tag calling on the war. And that if you guys know who he is, (37:06) and I blame him when I see him now.I jokingly jokingly blame him. I’m like, you’re (37:11) going on the war you blame? Yeah, yeah. I’ve seen only on I love I love his work.Yeah, (37:16) he’s he’s good guy. So he actually reposted my post. (37:21) Talking.Hey, I’d love to talk with him someday, too. (37:24) No, that’s awesome. That’s cool.I love how it’s like who radicalized you calling on the war? (37:31) Yeah, kind of. Well, the government radicalized me, but he was the he was the catalyst for (37:35) government radicalizes everybody, apparently, doesn’t it? Yeah. So he reposted it.And, (37:42) you know, of course, here I am now. Right. And I started my organization that year.(37:46) I didn’t have the intention on teaching firearms at that time. Interestingly enough, I wanted to do (37:51) the stuff that you need prior to that, which is situational awareness and just helping women (37:58) wrap their brain around understanding the importance of why they need to learn how (38:02) to defend themselves, not necessarily how with weapons. But that just naturally evolved.Obviously, (38:09) 2020, I had the opportunity to go become a firearm instructor, still wasn’t going to teach (38:15) firearms. I’m sure you weren’t. I wasn’t.I really wasn’t. But I thought sometimes greatness (38:23) is thrust upon us. Well, so I had a tenant in my building.She went out of business because (38:28) she couldn’t afford to stay open from COVID. And she wanted to break her lease. And I said, (38:35) if you can have everything out by the end of the week, you can now I had a classroom (38:40) to teach my classes.And this is all within a month of me getting my certification. (38:46) Then I then where am I going to do this? Right? Because there’s they have a lot of (38:50) much tighter restrictions there than they do in Georgia for shooting on property and stuff. And (38:59) it’s okay.It’s okay. Go lay down. I know.So. So right after that happened, a woman reached out (39:10) to me that I’ve known for a long time, an attorney. And she said, Hey, I’m an abuse survivor, (39:16) which you’d be blown away at how many people have contacted me, whether I know, or have met.(39:23) Um, you’d be very surprised at some of the people that have contacted me, women that have (39:29) on very prominent people on X that have reached out to me that have told me that they were abuse (39:37) survivors, a lot of a lot of women with big, big, big women, important women that felt comfortable (39:44) to tell me that and I will never share who that is. If they’re not ready, then we’re not going to (39:47) share that information. I’m not interested in knowing who I want them to keep that for however (39:53) long to do it.So for those of you who is it, you don’t some things you just don’t need to know, (39:58) you don’t just because the internet makes you think you need to know everything you don’t. (40:02) Well, I mean, and, and, and honestly, just because someone of prominence has it, (40:05) there’s people that aren’t a prominence. And these are actually the people who do get swept (40:09) under.They don’t have the resources to get the same help that we need for them. So we need to (40:13) empower these people to speak up and we want them to feel comfortable. And that’s what I do.Right. (40:17) And so, right. And that was the case of this lady.She was a very prominent member of the community. (40:21) She was very quiet about being an abuse survivor, reached out to me. She says, I’m an abuse survivor.(40:25) I also live on 30 acres with a natural berm because there’s a granite quarry behind me. (40:32) So we have a range, ladies and gentlemen. (40:36) Now I have training, training property.So I put it out there. I said, well, it turns out (40:43) I’m going to be able to teach. I’ve got, I’ve got a classroom now that I didn’t have to pay rent for.(40:47) Well, I mean, I’d have to run a, I already own the building. I pay the mortgage on the (40:53) building, but I’d have to go run another space. I now have training facility for training.(41:00) And I put it out there. I put a couple of classes out, just said, let’s see what happens. (41:05) I had almost a six month waiting list for women.And this was just in one county in Washington (41:11) state. How large are the classes? So we know like 20 or 30 and that you had six month waiting list? (41:17) No, at that time I only took six because I was a new instructor. (41:22) Right.Yeah, absolutely. You started small, but you just had such a demand right out of the gate. (41:26) So I eventually, I teach 12 now in a class.That’s amazing. At 12 is a lot of people. (41:32) Well, I do it with two assistants and an RSO.So I, because I could do it with one (41:38) or I could even do it with just an RSO. It’s just a lot more work on me because when I’m actually (41:44) doing live fire, I only put six on the line at a time. So six, six are shooting, six are watching (41:52) because they’ll learn from each other.And so I want them watching each other. (41:57) So they buddy up, I guess, in some, a lot of ways or. (41:59) No, nobody.(42:00) Oh, okay. It’s just generally just watching everyone and. (42:02) Right.No, you just watch like, like if somebody’s struggling with this, they’re going to see (42:06) somebody, Oh, maybe if I put my foot like that, you know, it’s watching people’s good, right? (42:11) You’d be surprised how much just that improves people because they adjust their body in the (42:17) smallest ways that they don’t even know. And they, they improve like. (42:21) Yeah, that’s why that’s, which is exactly why I do it.So that’s exactly why I do it. So, (42:26) and it just makes it more of a community feel, makes the women more comfortable doing it that (42:30) way. But by doing it that way and having those number of assistants, I now go to two to one, (42:36) two students to one assistant, so that they’re getting more personalized treatment.(42:41) Because what I have found as an instructor is what is considered the standard for most (42:48) fundamental basic training and entry-level class is still well above where most women are. (42:56) I’ve had many, many women over the last, how long have I been teaching now? Five years. Yeah.Five (43:02) years. Who have taken other classes and come to me and they don’t know how to lock the slide back (43:09) on their gun. They don’t know how to load a magazine.That’s a problem. So. Very much so, (43:15) yes.Most, most fundamental classes are like here, all fundamental, like, and then ours is like (43:21) here. Now I’m sure that there’s individuals out there that do it here, right? I just don’t know (43:25) who they are, but I mean, I’m talking about the curriculums in general. So I decided, you know, (43:29) or didn’t decide, I figured out that there was a problem with that and I wanted to solve that (43:34) problem.So we wrote our own curriculum and we now train our own instructors as well. (43:38) One of the things I’m known for, two of the things I’ve known for one flipping liberals, (43:42) the flipping liberal woman on guns with gun control laws. One in particular, she wore her (43:47) notorious RBG hat to class.I’m going to put that up while you tell us this story, but I got my (43:52) Zach. She worked, she was making, she was a nail client in my salon many years prior. (43:59) So she already trusted me a little bit more, came, took pistol.She was, she was okay with (44:03) pistol. She struggled. She was in her seventies.So she physically struggled a little bit. (44:07) And that’s real. That’s a realistic thing.But she, when she came to take pistol, (44:11) she wanted ARs banned completely. And I said, do you trust me? And she says, I do. I said, (44:17) I want you to come take this AR class.So she paid for it. I wasn’t going to let her pay for it. I (44:22) came the next day, she took it, but she was making a statement, right? She wore her notorious RBG hat (44:28) to Ruth Bader Ginsburg.Nice. Yeah. Well don’t prove Ruth Bader Ginsburg because Ruth (44:34) Contreras conservative.That’s a tough woman. That was a tough woman. She was an extraordinary (44:38) woman.Um, and a lot of the stuff that she’s talked about has been misconstrued and manipulated (44:43) by conservatives. Um, and it frustrates me because she, she was phenomenal. Um, and what she did and, (44:51) and some of the stuff that she, where she laid down for women was amazing.I also don’t think (44:56) Sandra Day O’Connor gets nearly the credit she should. That’s a whole other podcast episode. (45:00) I’m in Arizona, so I know.Yeah. I’ve studied women’s history, particularly women’s revolutionary (45:05) war history for almost 20 years. I’m very well versed in that.And so I could go off for hours (45:08) about that and how a lot of women can serve, even they don’t get the credit and acknowledgement that (45:16) they deserve for some of the extraordinary things that they’ve done. Um, anyway, so I get her out (45:21) there. I get the ARs in her hand.She’s shooting ARs. I’ve got a photo. I’ll have to post one of (45:24) the photos of it.Yeah, that’d be great. I’d love to see it. And she looked at me and she fired it a (45:30) few times.She fired about 15 rounds, about half. I usually give them a full magazine because all (45:34) that classes is just letting them touch it for the first time, right? We don’t get into tactical (45:39) this and I load them for, I look, teach them how to load the magazine and load the gun. Other than (45:43) that, we don’t get into tactical.We’re not doing, it’s all just de-stigmatization of that AR (45:49) platform. So she shot it and she was done. I think it, I think she had a lot of physical (45:55) weaknesses.I think it just was too heavy for her. It’s just too much. And it, yeah, it’s a bulky.(46:02) Well, sometimes I have one. For a 70 year old woman, I would, I hate to, you know, I don’t want (46:06) to get ageist or sexist, but 70 year old man, I’m 50 and everything’s hurting. So she, um, but she, (46:13) uh, she looked at me and she said, she handed it back to me and she said, I’m done.And I said, (46:17) okay. And we had a chair for, and she said, these aren’t for me. AR-15s aren’t for me, (46:24) but I don’t understand.I, now I, I can tell you that I don’t understand why they should be banned. (46:31) And I said, here’s your money back for class. She goes, no, keep it.And because we do (46:34) scholarships and I’ll get into that later. But, um, so that was the big thing is that she learned (46:39) that she goes, that was it. And I was like, yeah, she goes, it’s loud.That’s about it. And I went, (46:44) uh-huh. So that’s, you know, it’s like aversion therapy, right? It’s like, no, (46:49) it’s exposure therapy, exposure therapy.We fear what we don’t know and understand. (46:55) Right. And so, um, she’s not the only one.She’s just one of the most notable one because of the (47:00) statement she tried to make when she came in, but, uh, she was, um, it was great. So I I’ve (47:05) actually developed a reputation for this all over the country. Now.Um, the other thing that I’m (47:10) known for is I do what’s called trauma informed firearm instruction. And you’re going to start (47:15) hearing a lot more about this as time goes on. Um, I didn’t make the connection that that’s what I (47:21) did until one of my followers on X actually mentioned it.When I posted one of my stories (47:25) about a woman that had some trauma attached to guns, a domestic abuse survivor. And, um, (47:33) we worked her through it and that’s, I just been operating like that for years. I didn’t think (47:37) anything of it, you know? And, uh, somebody had made the comment, oh, it’s trauma.You’re doing (47:42) trauma informed work. And well, then I saw two other female instructors post about that. So (47:47) that was interesting that I, I was doing it.Didn’t realize I was doing it. (47:53) And it really is interesting. And it’s also desperately needed more.And it’s a very (47:58) difficult thing for a lot of male firearm instructors to do. I’m just going to be (48:01) honest. It’s you’ve got to have an intuitiveness about yourself to be able to see it because they (48:06) may not tell you, you may have to read the body language and just get their energy to be able to (48:11) see because it may not, they may not always be an abuse victim.It could be that grandpa handed (48:15) them a three 57, you know, when they were a kid to shoot and knocked them on their butt. And then (48:20) everybody laughed about it and thought it was funny or a 12 gauge, right. And knock the kid (48:24) on the butt.You know, um, I remember going through, I didn’t get knocked on the butt, (48:28) but I remember, you know, getting the 12 gauge handed to me at eight years old and (48:31) my dad holding my shoulders, you know, so that I wouldn’t fall. So, (48:35) you know, these types of things happen. So I remember firing a Mossberg 590 with a three (48:40) inch shell pistol grip at like 17 thinking I knew what the heck I was doing.And they just, (48:46) yeah. Not that men can’t be traumatized by that, but men are more like, okay, well, (48:51) let’s just move on. Whereas women, right.They will definitely be more emotionally impacted, (48:55) you know, by that. And, and, and emotion is when that logic part shuts down your process, (49:01) you shut down. How do you load or how do you low or how do you click and how do you, you know, (49:05) all those processes.And, and I don’t like that people, particularly a lot of conservative men (49:10) now really want to poopoo women for being too emotional. Well, um, that’s a very powerful (49:15) tool and weapon. Um, yeah, it’s because we’re different.We, we all have something to bring (49:21) to the table and I, we need that. We need that. It is a, it is something that you cannot find (49:27) anywhere else.It’s also the one thing that when it’s channeled properly, we’ll absolutely get (49:33) shit done in a way that men can’t. And case in point, gender ideology with school is you pissed (49:40) off the moms. You got to, you emotionally pissed them off and look what started happening.Right? (49:45) So it’s not a bad thing. Uh, and I, I hate that there’s this manosphere bullshit that’s put out (49:51) by, you know, perpetuated by Andrew Tate and his, I call him his tater. (49:56) Well, as they say, cause they say the emotion locks down the log and it’s like, well, no, (50:00) but if you manage the emotion and you know what you’re doing, you can enhance your logic.I mean, (50:06) and, and, and when you’re, when you’re ready, when you’re in a situation where you need to (50:11) defend yourself, sometimes you have to push that button for women to wrap their brain around that, (50:14) that’s what they need to do. So, um, so anyway, so we’re, we have to be able to identify sometimes (50:19) when the student themselves doesn’t know, they, they may not realize that the reason that they’re (50:25) having fear of a gun is because of, um, because of some trauma that they may not realize they have (50:32) attached to it. And I can make someone male, female, anybody, right? Um, proficient at shooting, (50:38) right? I can take you out, teach you how to shoot, run that gun.(50:42) But if you, we don’t address the core traumas that may be attached to that (50:48) self-defense tool, you’re never going to carry that gun and be able to use it in self-defense. (50:54) You’ll freeze or you just won’t carry it, which we see commonly. I would well over 80% of women (50:58) that take a concealed carry class don’t carry afterward because there’s a failure in the (51:04) training.Um, these women are not comfortable carrying their gun. (51:08) Not comfortable. Certainly.I, it certainly seems under, under, under like you have to really sleep (51:14) with you. You really have to get comfortable. You’re basically talking about a thing that (51:19) explodes in your hand.Any normal functioning lizard brain is not going to get that until (51:24) they deal with it. Like they’re just not, it’s not a, so we tell people that your CCW class or (51:30) our level one class, it’s not the beginning, right? We want you to come back and there’s (51:34) other classes you have taken things. And it’s really a lifelong study, truly.But, um, we can (51:39) get you comfortable enough to be carrying every day and to be able to execute, um, (51:44) not a person, but you know, the, the, the plan to use one, um, if you need to. (51:50) Yeah, we can, you know, within three or four classes we can usually get you there. So, um, (51:56) particularly, uh, with me, with what I do doing trauma informed and women’s firearm instruction, (52:00) I know how to push.I was in the beauty industry for three years. Well, what that really means is (52:03) I was in the industry of women, um, and how they think. And so what I’ve done that is different (52:08) than what’s out there with a lot of training is I’ve channeled all of my 30 years of experience.(52:14) Yeah. I’m 50 as well. I started in the beauty industry when I was very young.Um, (52:19) I dropped out of college and went to beauty school. So, and it was the best decision, (52:23) best decision I ever made. Um, I retired before I retired before I was 50 and I still own (52:28) commercial real estate and, and which is what allows me to do what I do now, um, without a (52:33) So, um, don’t, unless you’re going into sciences or something, you probably don’t need a college (52:40) degree.Look at, look, learn how to invest your money and go into a trade, right? The problem (52:46) with people in trades, the way to go reason people think people in trades are lower is because a lot (52:52) of times they don’t know how to manage their money quite as well. Um, but they’re work hard, (52:56) play hard people. Generally they’re like burn it all on the catch it on fire as they’re partying (53:01) on the weekend.Right? So, but if you got somebody that does, I mean you can usually be (53:05) pretty successful. So, um, case in point, right? I’m a blue, I was a blue collar worker, right? (53:10) That’s what I mean. Look at that.You’re literal American is success story on many fast. I was (53:15) homeless at one time too. I actually lived in a closet, um, slept in a closet of a salon that (53:19) I worked in many years ago.Yeah. I didn’t have a place to live and couldn’t afford rent. So I, (53:25) they moved a tanning bed out of the, it was like this little like walk in closet, small, (53:31) tiny walk in closet I could touch.I’m five four and I could touch the wall. That’s how little it (53:36) was. Um, and what I love about that story though is like no one sees those, those sacrifices, (53:42) right? You see the successful carry on the back end.You’re like, wow, what an instant success. (53:48) How easy that came to her. You literally slept in a closet for how many years? I mean, come on, (53:53) it’s crazy.It was not quite a year, almost a year. Yeah. But, um, I was amazing.If you looked (54:00) at my, you know, statistically I should, I should have been a failure, right? I was raised (54:03) in a double wide trailer with drug addicts. Um, like literally like a cop’s episode. Like, you (54:08) know, it was just terrible.Um, and so by all, by all intents and purposes, I should not have been (54:13) the success story. Um, so, um, I, because of that, I can also be a little insensitive to excuses. (54:20) Um, well, because you did not accept the victim mentality at all.You said, (54:26) I don’t understand. And you just, interestingly enough though, um, you’re correct. I don’t, (54:30) but interestingly enough, I struggle now.Um, when I am legitimately victimized. Yes, (54:39) because it’s hard to give yourself a little grace, right? Yeah. And I also struggled with wrapping (54:45) my brain around being a domestic abuse survivor.Right. So which, and he knew that right now he fed (54:49) on my adamancy about not being a victim in any capacity whatsoever. Um, I was always asking, (54:57) what did I do in this situation? My abuser fed on that.Right. And because he was able to feed on it. (55:04) Once it got to that point with me, I, it was easy for, for me to blame myself instead of who him, (55:11) who was the legitimate perpetrator.So, and he knew that and he, he, he played on that. (55:15) Oh, isn’t that funny how they can both attack you as are punching you. It’s like, why are you (55:21) making me hit you? Why are you making me hurt you? Why are you making me, I, I, I can’t, I mean, (55:27) Oh, I’m so sorry that these things happen.So, and it’s, so it’s, um, we, we understand that, (55:34) um, all of my assistant instructors and, and women that we trained to become, and we have one man (55:40) to, um, very, we do on occasion, we’ll get a man that’s worth, uh, you know, making one (55:45) of our instructors. Um, and not to say that they’re not good male instructors out there. (55:49) My mentor is a guy that, you know, the guy that I go to and he, and a lot of people, (55:52) and he’s an asshole.No, he’s not my mentor. He’s not my training mentor. Um, but, uh, (55:59) he is kind of an asshole, but it is a comfort thing though, for general, like you have, (56:04) you have how many male instructors in general, or you’ve won.Okay. And that makes total sense. (56:10) You would, it’s your business, how you perceive that.Right. So like, you should be picky. You (56:18) should be, it has to do with the fact that these women abuse victims are more comfortable with a (56:23) woman and women.We just talk to each other differently. Right. I would, I would assume (56:27) that that would be the thing.Yeah. I took 30 years of beauty industry and getting women to (56:31) talk while I did their makeup or gave them a facial or did their manicure and learned how to (56:37) get information out of them in, you know, to learn whether or not they were victims or if they (56:41) have some sort of trauma attached to those, to those firearms that they may not have. So, um, (56:47) yeah, so that’s, you know, where it kind of came from.And then it was three years ago. (56:54) I moved to Georgia three and a half years ago, but was still, you know, traveling to Washington to (56:59) teach because there was still a need and there’s still not enough instructors up there. And I’m (57:04) in the process of finalizing an instructor to be able to teach while I’m not there.Now this year, (57:08) she’ll probably get to teach next year. I think she’ll be ready next year because I run it like (57:12) an apprenticeship. I just don’t train them.So if you want to be a female instructor, you’re (57:16) going to, you’re going to invest time because I start with the broom sweep in and the trash taken. (57:21) And I totally understand how apprenticeship towards it. It’s a trait.This is a trait. (57:26) This is a skill. This is an absolute, it is, it is something that should be passed down (57:30) from expert to people who do not know that it really does need expertise.(57:36) Well, you bring in a different level of context and empathy when you, when you do it that way. (57:41) And so they have to start it as an assistant and then they can work up to doing some of the (57:46) leading, right. I let them teach certain aspects of the class while I’m there.And then so next (57:51) year she’ll be ready to teach in Washington. But what I started doing was traveling and living in (57:56) a minivan at Love’s Truck Stops as I traveled across the country teaching and fast forward to (58:02) last year. And we had a partnership last year with USCCA.It wasn’t like they give us a lot of money, (58:11) but they gave us resources, right? I had contacts, I had ranges that I could go to, (58:15) which was way more valuable. Oh my gosh. It’s invaluable actually.(58:20) Having those contacts is really what I needed to facilitate, right? Because otherwise I’m (58:24) just calling and these people are like, who the hell are you? And now I’m like. (58:26) And it is community. We realize how much community when you, when you have an interest or a need like (58:31) this, the community does matter because it, it all helps itself out.(58:35) And so once I was able to go in and say, Hey, I’m partnered with USCCA, (58:37) then all of a sudden the door opened up. It opens every door. Yeah.It opens so many doors. (58:42) So last year I taught personally with assistant instructors in different states, but personally (58:48) in front of me taught 210 women and 10 men. 97 of the women were concealed carry qualifiers, (58:57) qualifying classes in different States.So almost half of them. And we taught in nine (59:06) different States and we gave $12,000 away in financial aid. So the classes that we travel and (59:12) do are free and reduced rate concealed carry qualification or level one fundamental classes.(59:18) Um, for women that can’t afford the training. So when we get women in class that can pay for class, (59:26) that money goes back into our financial aid fund for women that can’t, we’re not going to (59:31) deny any woman, um, training, uh, because she’s like a Hippocratic oath. I like that.(59:37) Yeah. We’re not going to deny any woman, but we prioritize giving funding to elders, uh, (59:43) typically on fixed incomes, a lot of times widows, single single mothers, and, and of course, (59:49) abuse survivors, right? There are biggest priority or abuse survivors. Um, so when I can’t get to an (59:55) area to teach the class myself, then we find an instructor.She may not be a, we, the female (1:00:00) instructor, um, but it’s an instructor that I know how they teach. And I know that they’ve got (1:00:05) a different level of empathy to be able to work with these people. And then we will pay for their, (1:00:11) we will pay the instructor for the person that’s needing the financial aid.And then, um, two (1:00:17) instructors, one in Texas and one in North Carolina, we went ahead and we gave them a thousand (1:00:22) dollars each to have in their coffer. One of them is a black female firearm instructor. She gets a (1:00:28) lot of abuse victims through there.Another one is in Texas. Um, so that they had the money for (1:00:33) funding when they needed it, because I could trust them to do it. Right.It’s like an upfront (1:00:37) kind of just a petty cash kind of piece. And well, only because I’d worked with them in the (1:00:42) past on something. Right.Exactly. You tried, they built that, right. They built that trust (1:00:46) with you.Obviously this isn’t just a, you’re not just throwing out. Okay. The thing is you’re (1:00:50) building, you’re actually building the foundation, the structure behind it too.It’s the responsibility (1:00:55) of it is what we should take on is that part. Cause it’s that stuff that doesn’t, that gets (1:01:00) overlooked and that’s where it crumbles. Right.Yeah. And well, it’s too many people, right. And (1:01:05) I get it, right.People do this because I, we want them to get paid because it is how, (1:01:09) for many of them, it’s how they make their living, you know, earn their living. And we, (1:01:12) they should be able to get paid for it. Um, a lot of times what they’ll do is they’ll discount (1:01:15) their class for us, which helps as well.Um, I don’t get that money back. It just goes right (1:01:19) back into the coffer for, for other classes to teach. So, so yeah, that’s, that’s what we do.(1:01:24) I taught in, um, Chicago, uh, Michigan to see Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, California, Oregon, (1:01:36) Washington. I’m missing some Tennessee. And as I saw you on, I saw in true shot, (1:01:41) I saw you do a true shot show.That’s my hometown ammo place. So, Oh, you’re in Chandler. (1:01:46) Yeah.I’m in Arizona. I’m in Phoenix right outside Tempe. Yeah.So yeah, I know those guys well. (1:01:51) Yeah. So I, yeah, we did a, with John Farner.He’s a good friend of mine. He now works for (1:01:55) gun owners of America actually. Um, but John, uh, yeah, there wasn’t the ammo, how to read, (1:02:01) how to understand.That was a fun video to do. Right. It looked like fun.And you’re like, (1:02:06) the bullet is the projectile part. This is the cartridge. No, no.And that’s the point. This (1:02:13) is not, and you’re not, it wasn’t belittling in any way. It was no, this is real terminology.(1:02:17) So important clip magazines, all these things, these people, that’s how the AR thing gets out (1:02:23) because they get so scared because they don’t understand the terminology. Well, most, a lot (1:02:27) of program people don’t know it. You know, a lot of, a lot of program, a lot of gun owners don’t (1:02:31) know that your gun will say on the barrel or on the slide, what caliber it is calibrated.Right. (1:02:38) And it needs to match the bottom of the round of ammunition. Make sure they match before you put it (1:02:43) in there.A lot of people don’t know that. So those are, I think we covered that in the video (1:02:47) as well. Um, yes, you certainly did.They don’t, they don’t know that, you know, so, and of course, (1:02:54) John and Kurt, who, um, he worked for them as well. He owns a, he actually owns his own company (1:03:00) now. Um, TCRT targets, um, which is going to be out of Arizona.So that was Kurt, right? Cause (1:03:07) I think I met Kurt a couple of years ago, maybe two, three. I remember them when they were out (1:03:12) this little corner before they were that new building that they’re in, they were in the, (1:03:15) around the corner in this little cutout thing that you had to walk up to like just the little (1:03:19) counter. And he just plopped, you know, I got six, two by 54 R. I mean, we’re talking like (1:03:25) before they have the big robot to build the boxes and all that.Yeah. Yeah. To walk in.(1:03:30) So, um, but they knew it, right. They understood it and they love what I do. And because they (1:03:35) understand the, right, the gun industry, it’s easy for the gun industry, gun community to forget (1:03:41) that they’re probably 1% or less of gun owners in America.And that’s not even getting into (1:03:48) potential dollars. Right. I mean, that’s, it’s actually the gun community and industry is (1:03:53) actually in the scheme of things fairly small.Um, and, and because of that, the industry tends (1:03:59) to forget those newbies a lot easier. And so, but, and so of course, John and Kurt understood that, (1:04:06) which is why we made that video. Yeah.It’s interesting. So, well, (1:04:10) so you have the, we, the female, I do, you have this great training, this great piece. Thank you.(1:04:16) We’ve been talking for an hour. I’m so grateful for your time. Thank you so much for sharing.(1:04:20) Well, the thing is, this thing should be called time warp because it just literally, it’s like (1:04:24) a snap of the fingers. I think we could tell you, you brought up 82 subjects. I know we could have (1:04:28) a different topic about talk about each subject for hours.So I, I’m respectful of your time. (1:04:33) If you would like to share anything more you’d like, I’d love for that. Or if you just let the (1:04:37) call it a night, you know, I’m okay for a few more minutes.I want to answer if any of your (1:04:42) listeners have any questions, I’m happy. I can’t, I don’t have my reading glasses on. (1:04:45) It’s still worries.I’ll be able to pull it up for you. Yeah. (1:04:49) No, they look great.All right. So I’m at reading glass age now in every room, (1:04:55) but yeah, if anybody’s got questions for me, they’re welcome to ask. Um, and on that note, (1:04:58) if anybody’s got financial aid, um, or needs it has a request or financial aid, um, you can reach (1:05:04) me at, um, you, instead of going through the website, you can go to, we, the female official (1:05:08) at Gmail and email me brief description, super brief description, um, about, uh, why it is that (1:05:17) you’re looking, um, you know, to, to why you need training.I don’t need a financial statement. I (1:05:23) don’t need you to break it down. I’m not asking you to just find, but it only takes a few sentences (1:05:29) and within those sentences, I could tell if you’re just looking for money or if you’re actually want (1:05:32) training.So, and then we will, we will help get you there. In fact, when I spoke at gun owners of (1:05:36) America, um, I was on a panel with Nick Freitas and some show, Michael Singleton, some other show, (1:05:41) Michael’s a good friend of mine from guns out TV. But, um, uh, I mentioned it when I was on a panel (1:05:48) at the gun owners of America, their goals convention last year.And I said, you know, if you, (1:05:52) if you’re watching and you need financial aid, and sure enough, we did have an elder. (1:05:55) We had a 70 year old lady reach out to us. And so we just got her, her financial aid and her (1:06:00) training, um, because she saw us talking about it on the, on the panel.So, so you have a, is (1:06:05) it a question here? Yeah. So how do we teach the left that their only basic natural right is to (1:06:10) defend themselves if they wish to stay alive? Well, so obviously the left is the one that would (1:06:19) be the banning. Cause we think, Oh yeah.Cause like, obviously the criminals are going to, (1:06:23) they’re going to also acquiesce and hand in their firearms too. Right. For example.(1:06:26) So here’s the thing. Um, one of the, the failures on the part of the conservative side (1:06:35) is facts over emotion, facts, every emotion, facts, every emotion. And they pound that in (1:06:40) and they become assholes and complete lack of empathy and sympathy and all of those things.(1:06:45) Well, first of all, we’re talking about women, right? We just talked about that. We are (1:06:48) not that we can’t be logical. My daughter is a scientist.(1:06:51) Um, and graduate are the fire, everything. Let’s just, we don’t even need to argue. We (1:06:57) don’t even need to defend that.My daughter is very logical. She’s a focused woman is, (1:07:02) is greater than all. It is just not, which is funny to me that conservative is one that there’s (1:07:07) this whole trend of trying to silence them and take away their right to vote when the conservatives (1:07:11) should be doing what the liberals did and weaponizing women for, you know, they did it (1:07:16) for gender ideology, right? But they need to do it for guns.In fact, I just posted about that earlier. (1:07:20) I said, I dream of the day when women will fight for gun rights the way they did to keep men out (1:07:24) of their bathrooms. Yeah.I’m going to have to repost that. I’ve been, I’ve been in another (1:07:28) podcast arguing Russia, Ukraine. I apologize.So, um, so understand that not only particularly (1:07:37) getting to women, that’s, that’s a, an important component of doing it, but also understand that, (1:07:42) um, we don’t live in a fact-based society anymore, right? Our culture through social media has become (1:07:48) emotionally driven. Everything is emotion. So it’s funny is it Jordan Peterson from Jordan (1:07:55) Peterson’s perspective, we look at the, the cultural move, right? That cultural progressiveness, (1:08:01) but they did get it right.The world, we live through a story. Humans live through a story. (1:08:06) And when you logic that it doesn’t, it doesn’t track the story is what carries us through to the, (1:08:13) to the action.And that’s what women are good at, right? Right. And to your point, (1:08:17) this is exactly why this makes sense. Yeah.So we need to use emotion and not get, (1:08:22) but not get emotional. So, um, I’m sure you probably knew, um, I confronted Kamala Harris. (1:08:29) I did not know this.Would you like to share that story? (1:08:31) Well, it’s, I, if you go through my highlights of my media, you can probably find it. It was pinned. (1:08:36) I had it pinned before the election.Um, and I took it down now, obviously the election’s over, (1:08:41) but, um, it went like you thought it would go. Um, you know, she had her people block me out (1:08:45) completely and stuff, but the poignant moment wasn’t when I confronted her. It was when she (1:08:50) was running for president in 2020.Um, and she’d come through Seattle on an anti-gun agenda. And, (1:08:56) uh, the, the poignant moment was when I was in the restroom of this venue afterward and I was (1:09:01) washing my hands. And these two of her little followers were just gaga over her and going on (1:09:07) wearing their little mom’s demand shirts and all this.And, and I, all I said initially was, (1:09:12) you know, it’s really unfortunate. Um, she wouldn’t talk to a domestic violence victim (1:09:16) about red flag balls. And, um, they immediately went into their talking, but this was my aha moment (1:09:23) by the way, right? Because we have our cognitive dissonance too, right? This was my aha moment that (1:09:29) of how this weapon works.So I’m not just telling you to talk out of my ass. I’m telling you cause (1:09:36) I know it works. Okay.Um, and they immediately went into their talking points about, oh, well, (1:09:43) you know, this and, and, and making excuses for it while she’s busy, all these things. And I said, (1:09:47) well, I was the domestic violence survivor. She wouldn’t talk to.And you could visibly see like (1:09:54) the shield kind of come down in front of their eyes, right? They went like this. And then the (1:09:58) conversation immediately turned to, oh my gosh, I am so sorry. I can’t believe you went through that.(1:10:02) That is awful. You know, are you okay? And you know, all of the feigned sympathy, right? (1:10:10) Right. Cause that’s what they weaponize.They weaponize our compassion to control us, (1:10:15) but they don’t actually care about it. They don’t have the compassion. And so I said, well, (1:10:22) what you guys don’t understand is red flag loss can be used against me as a victim to keep me (1:10:29) from being able to get a gun to defend myself from my abuser that’s stalking me.I paraphrased. (1:10:34) It was, I’m paraphrasing. Right.Um, cause it’s been, you obviously understood this (1:10:39) more than they certainly ever could. I’m very well, like that’s what I’m nationally known for, (1:10:45) um, is red flag loss. I do talks all over the country on red flag loss.Like I used to work (1:10:49) for John Lott at crime prevention research center. And that was one of my difficulties. Can you (1:10:52) explain what it just for a general part of population, what is a red flag law? I’ll come (1:10:56) back to that.So what, um, they immediately froze when I, when I said that to them, they literally (1:11:04) nonplussed slack jaw and I, and I walked out and left them just in silence. And, uh, an ABC (1:11:12) reporter actually followed me out. Apparently she was in the bathroom.I didn’t know it. And (1:11:15) she followed me out. Oh no, I recorded that just in case you wanted to try something.But fortunately (1:11:19) she didn’t. But, uh, as I, as I processed that information on my way home, I realized (1:11:27) that it, their need to show me their, their empathy, right. To show me their virtue signaling (1:11:34) was more important than what they perceived to be their facts.So fast forward a couple of weeks. (1:11:42) And one of my, I would even call her feminazi. Um, I actually, I would say that she’s probably (1:11:49) not as bad now.Um, she would be one of the people that one of the feminists on the left, (1:11:54) that when the gender stuff went out of control, she’d have been like, okay, this is getting crazy. (1:11:58) So she wasn’t so far left that she was radicalized, but she was pretty close. She didn’t like guns.(1:12:04) And she knew I had a gun and, but I wasn’t a crazy gun person, right? That’s the other (1:12:08) advantage women have in this spaces, right? The NRA is demonized male, white males, (1:12:13) uh, not the NRA, but the gun control, uh, lobbyists, right? Because who does the NRA (1:12:18) represent predominantly white men, right? White adult men. And whereas a woman isn’t looked at (1:12:24) quite like that. So the NRA is more of the controlled opposition than they are actual for (1:12:29) trying to protect those rights.But that’s a whole other deeper podcast. So, um, uh, anyway, (1:12:39) yeah. So, um, so she was in my salon one day and I was actually my day off and I popped in there (1:12:45) cause I’d come, come back from, I was out actually had gone on a run and I popped in there to grab (1:12:51) something.I don’t know what it was. Um, but underneath my thin shirt from running cause it (1:12:56) was in the spring, it was warm and she could see the, the print of my gun. Um, and she says, well, (1:13:01) what’s, what’s that? Oh, let me back up cause let me back up cause I forgot a huge piece of this.(1:13:07) Um, I was giving her a facial one day and I had just given a speech. So this was in December of (1:13:14) 2019 and I had just given a speech in November of 19 on the Capitol lawn in DC where I told my, (1:13:22) and I didn’t want to stand up there and say what everybody else was saying. (1:13:25) I wanted to emotionally get people involved and I did.I, in fact, I made Dick Heller cry and that’s (1:13:33) Dick Heller and I are good friends now. That’s a different story too, but it’s, I made him cry (1:13:37) with my story. Um, so I told her some of the stuff I had mentioned today, right? About like the (1:13:46) physical stuff I went through and things.And so I let her listen to the speech while I was doing (1:13:50) her facial. She wanted to listen to it and she got to hear the details of what happened to me (1:13:55) and how I was beat up and it pissed her off, right? She’s a feminist, right? She’s, she’s a, (1:14:01) you know, at that time would have been classified a feminazi. And, uh, she goes, (1:14:06) I would have fucking shot it.I remember she’s only guns. (1:14:12) And I, and I looked at her, I paused in the middle of the spatial and I looked down at her, (1:14:16) right? Cause she’s laying on a bed, you know, and she looked up at me and I said, would she? (1:14:19) And she realized what she said. And she really thought of it.She was a very intelligent woman. (1:14:25) He’s worked in tech, like she’s very smart lady. And she realized what she said.And she says, (1:14:33) yeah, I think I would have said, now do you understand why guns are important to women? (1:14:37) And, and I just let it go, right? Cause that’s the key. You got to let it go. Don’t keep pushing (1:14:41) them.Right. Because the minute you push past to process and let them come back to you and they (1:14:47) will. So this is what happened.So a couple of weeks later, um, I come in and she sees my gun. (1:14:52) She goes, what’s going on? I said, what’s my gun? Had it on a belt, like a support belt for running (1:14:59) belly band. And I said, do you want to see it? And she said, I do.So I pulled it out and I (1:15:05) cleared it, took the magazine out, locked the slide back and I handed it to her. And it was (1:15:09) just a little P two 38, a little three 80, um, that I run with anything I carry bigger when I’m (1:15:18) actually out every day. But when I’m running, I, it’s just a smaller ones easier.Um, and she was (1:15:24) first time she was 55 years old. First time she touched a gun in her life. And I put it in her (1:15:29) hand and she said, I can shoot this.So that person is a boss. That’s why. Yeah.So what you (1:15:39) have to do is you have to plant the seed. So, and this is all part of the anecdotes to your, (1:15:45) your listeners, um, question, right? Plant the seed and then let them ask questions. The minute (1:15:52) that you see that they’re having struggle comprehending or that they want to be combative.(1:15:56) And sometimes they don’t even realize it. Right. Because you have messed up as we call in the (1:16:00) industry, the OODA loop, right? Like they have this expectation of response that you, (1:16:05) that they’re going to give to you for your response, right? This is, and you, (1:16:09) they’re in the echo chamber where it’s all that same circular thing.They don’t, there’s nothing (1:16:13) outside of that. You totally cracked it. Right.So respect that and be conscious of that. Right. (1:16:18) Back off, change the subject.You’ll keep your friendship too. Absolutely. Um, but I promise (1:16:27) you, if you approach it that way, they will come back to you when they have the next question, (1:16:31) when there’s the next, this or the next, that, and they’re going to come back at you.Oftentimes, (1:16:35) especially if it’s something violent, like a shooting, especially they’re going to come back (1:16:38) at you violent. Right. Well, I just, how can you explain this or how come you just can’t (1:16:42) understand this? And then you just plant another seed.And then the minute that they get like, (1:16:47) walk away again, walk away again. So it’s a marathon. It’s not a sprint, but I promise (1:16:52) you can get them.You may not get them to completely get rid of, uh, or supporting getting (1:16:57) rid of any gun control right away, but you will get them out shooting and you will get them to (1:17:01) soften on a lot of things. Um, it’s just, you have to be willing to commit to doing it. That’s why a (1:17:07) lot of times online, I used to go after everybody constantly because I was tagged constantly and (1:17:10) stuff when I first started.Yeah. And it was exhausting. Um, and, and now, and I used to (1:17:17) fight it constantly and I was very, I’m a very combative personality just because I just won’t (1:17:21) put up with bullshit.And, um, I had to, to really like consciously step back and realize (1:17:29) reading when people are writing stuff or typing things or whatever, what they’re realistically, (1:17:34) whether or not they’re realistically going to listen or not, you know, and I can tell within (1:17:38) the first paragraph typically or first sentence, usually whether they’re actually going to stop (1:17:43) and be willing to listen to what I’m saying. And if they’re, if they’re not, I’m not going to waste (1:17:47) my time. But, um, but I’ve often, I’ve actually flipped people even online with some of the (1:17:53) stuff, but if I can get them in my classroom, I do it too.And it’s funny cause like what I’ll do (1:17:56) is I’ll, I’ll give somebody two responses. Then I know whether it’s a troll or not, but I’ll give (1:18:01) them the courtesy because you never know if it’s a misunderstanding or something. So I give them two (1:18:06) and then I know we always go, right.And then I’ve got friends like on Facebook that are fraternity (1:18:12) brothers or something through college. And I’m trying to kind of tell, I’m trying to be (1:18:17) completely like defang the government in a general sense. And everyone I’m saying taxation is theft (1:18:22) and they’re saying rich should pay their share.And I’m like, okay, listen to yourself. You’re (1:18:27) defending taxes. Stop.Okay. And then, and then we get in this weird back and forth to your point. (1:18:32) I go, brother, I love you, man.Do me a favor. I’m going to step back cause I’m not, I’m not (1:18:37) connecting with you the way that is. I did share this here.If you take a look, the person jumped (1:18:42) on one of the live chapters like, Oh my gosh, I didn’t even know this or that. And he, now he’s (1:18:46) open. Now, now I’m open to an ID.He’s willing to share. And it just does open that, that, (1:18:51) yeah. When you back off of it, you don’t look like the crazy, you know, got in my space here (1:18:56) at your, Oh, she’s actually somebody I could go to about this.Cause she’s not the crazy (1:19:00) NRA white guy. That’s why Z right. Exactly.I am. I am the crazy white guy, but still it’s okay. (1:19:06) Yeah.And that works. So to answer that question, that’s what you do. So what I like to say is be, (1:19:11) that was a very long way of saying, be a resource.Don’t be an enemy. Um, and you know, if they’re (1:19:21) not going to get it, they’re not going to get it right. And they’ll waste your time.And you don’t (1:19:24) have to waste your time and nor do you have to keep going with them. If you can tell that they’re (1:19:28) not going to get it, just walk away, save your own headache. But, um, if, if you can be a resource to (1:19:35) them, they will get there eventually.And I always, I always equate like arguments, like, uh, (1:19:42) everyone, the, the person that you’re approaching is a deer. You don’t shove food in their face. (1:19:47) You slowly open your hand and you slowly hold it out and let them come to you.And they will, (1:19:51) they will come, they will come. The trust will be built as long as you’re not too forceful. (1:19:56) Yeah.You can try to get too excited, but then they’re going to run away. (1:20:00) Exactly. So that’s true.So that’s where we’re at. (1:20:04) Listeners have, um, let’s see. Well, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll share one more here before we call it a night.(1:20:11) How do we bring back political discourse in an age of overly emotional tribalism? (1:20:16) You don’t, you’re just not going to, (1:20:22) do you think, do you think we’re 50, 50 in this country and it’s going to be this way? Pretty (1:20:26) much. I travel around the country, right? I travel to all different States. I’ve got, (1:20:30) I’ve got a pretty good temperature on all States.It’s not going to happen. (1:20:33) Social media. Do you not see a reconciliation? (1:20:35) Social? As of what, currently, I would say no.Ask me that question again in four years, (1:20:45) but I don’t think so. I think it’s going to get worse. (1:20:47) Right.And I’m not, and it’s interesting cause I do have a couple of thoughts about the Trump thing (1:20:53) cause, um, it almost felt like the fever broke. He won the election. There wasn’t too much uproar (1:21:01) about it.It was just like, okay. And then here’s Obama and him chuckling in the funeral, (1:21:07) the same guy who they just called a dictator and a Nazi and Hitler or whatever. And you’re just like, (1:21:11) clearly they let it go.So like, I’m wondering if that broke enough fever not to fix it yet. (1:21:17) They let it go so that they looked like they did exactly what they did and they, you could tell by (1:21:23) that we’re going to make sure this gets, we’re better than conservatives, right? They went about (1:21:29) it the wrong way because they went about it attacking conservatives. We’re better than (1:21:32) conservatives.We’re, we’re going to transfer power peacefully. We’re not the kind of people, (1:21:36) right? They still play the piety card, right? Right. Still do it.Yeah. And they’re still, (1:21:41) they’re still doing that. So, yeah.But I’m just wondering, cause to your point, I, (1:21:45) I truly think the trans agenda with parents really shifted the needle this time. I don’t think anybody (1:21:51) wanted a male to beat up their daughter. I just think that like, that was at least part of the (1:21:57) line.If not just the abusive children with hormones and all that, just that alone. Once (1:22:01) the children are touched, that’s when this, this seemed to have cracked or pissed off the moms. (1:22:08) Yeah.It pissed off the women, but also women are what? 80% decision maker in the household (1:22:13) and certain things like that. You know, inflation didn’t help. That was, you know, definitely no, (1:22:17) no, certainly not.But, but then we would have seen a little bit bigger difference in 2022. (1:22:21) You know what I mean? There was just that red wave was like a, a puddle. It drip.And, and, (1:22:26) and then this was just a comp, it was a landslide. Well, the thing that did it, (1:22:30) the thing that really did it was the illegals. Yeah.That’s the one thing that a lot of liberals (1:22:37) are like, okay, this is, you know, this is how many, how many things were they just on the wrong (1:22:42) side of it’s just unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah.The illegals I think was the big, everything, (1:22:46) every poll you saw, it was always the illegals inflation and the trans agenda were the three (1:22:50) things that, that screwed them over. And they continue to stand 10 toes down on it and bit (1:22:54) them in the ass. And that’s where you’re seeing people like Bill Maher, who’s a staunch liberal (1:22:59) still hates Trump, but he’s like, yeah, here’s why they won.Right. Because, and, and he says, (1:23:07) and they’re going to, if, and he says, and he, I just watched something from him not too long ago (1:23:11) that somebody sent me where he’s like, the Democrats are still on their Democrat craft (1:23:17) and the liberals. And, and he said, there’s, they didn’t get it.They did not get it. They’re still (1:23:24) going after Trump. And this is why they’re going to lose again in two years if they do not get (1:23:29) their shit together.And, um, yeah, so he, a lot of them are getting it, you know, saying right, (1:23:35) that Turk, the guy that runs young Turks, he’s obviously getting it. He’s waking up. (1:23:38) Yeah.I, I, I think he’s a little following that scrilla. (1:23:43) Oh, I don’t trust him. Yeah.He’s, yeah, I’ve been, I’ve been following Chang for a long time. (1:23:48) So he has a voice. Yes.Oh, he certainly does have a voice. There’s no doubt people hearing, (1:23:53) you know, and I can see it, the temperature in his comments and stuff, how they’re like, yeah, (1:23:57) we’ve got to experience the same thing. She completely flew.I mean, she’s like, I am Republican (1:24:02) now. Like I am voting Trump. That’s like Chang’s like, you know, right, right hand person or (1:24:06) whatever.Yeah. Yeah. So it’s, it’s, you know, it’s no democracy.We’re not a democracy, but no (1:24:14) democracy or, or, you know, we’re based, you know, we have a, an element of democracy and how we run (1:24:19) this country, but there’s never been one that’s lasted more than 250 years. And that’s going to (1:24:24) be right about the time of the end of Trump’s presidency. So it’s kind of interesting.Early (1:24:28) in the middle of it. 26. Right.Exactly. Married to a historian, um, US historian. And I’ve been a (1:24:34) history, you know, I’ve studied and written about history now for a while.So we watch this from a, (1:24:39) from a very historic, uh, perspective. And I’ll be real curious to see what’s going to happen in (1:24:45) four years, because we may not even, even Trump, Trump had Trump not gotten elected. I think it (1:24:51) would have happened.I think we’d have been screwed. 100%. I honestly think that was a (1:24:57) problem.I voted for him, but I’m not a maggot person at all. Um, in fact, I wasn’t, thank you (1:25:01) for sharing that. I wasn’t going to vote for a president.Actually. I was going to leave my, (1:25:06) my vote blank until I went, um, and saw Ian Carroll and, um, something with that other guy. (1:25:14) Yeah.I’ve gotten a chance with that. Luke Rakowski or no. Um, Clint Russell, Dave Smith.(1:25:20) No. Uh, Jimmy door in Carol’s with everybody. Nevermind.You’re making it worse. So now I can’t (1:25:27) remember who it is. So anyway, I met him and another guy, um, at the old state saloon in Idaho.(1:25:32) And I stopped in there on my way to go teach in Washington state. And, uh, Ian was there on this (1:25:39) other guy that works in educating about trafficking situations, the illegals and trafficking. (1:25:45) O’Keeffe James O’Keeffe.No, it wasn’t. I met James. Um, I went to James’s party (1:25:49) and the trip.That was a fun little time. James is an interesting character, but, um, (1:25:57) anyway, Ian, so, yeah, well, he ended up this other guy. I can’t remember the other guy’s name.(1:26:02) Anyway, they did this, this whole talk on trafficking and human trafficking and, and so on (1:26:10) and on the children and what we thought we understood about it versus what is realistic (1:26:16) is disturbing. So by the end of this year, the estimate is that there’s 500,000, (1:26:25) 500,000 missing children coming across these borders and the illegals. And the one thing (1:26:31) that I can praise Trump for in his last administration, there’s many things to be (1:26:35) honest, but the one thing that he really did well is he was actually very effective at starting to (1:26:41) shut down some of these trafficking links.And it was even more toward the end of his (1:26:44) administrate the year for, and he was more active with us. In fact, I posted about it and I had a (1:26:50) liberal gal that follows me on my personal Facebook page and she says, can you send me that (1:26:54) data? And I’m like, right, all of them. It’s already in your inbox.What are you talking about? (1:27:00) Yeah. Here’s, uh, here’s the news articles. Here’s the.gov right from the FBI.Here’s the, uh, (1:27:06) department of justice exposing this. Here’s this. I sent it all to her and all she was, she was, (1:27:11) thank you for being willing to send that.And I wanted to say Q I said, cause I knew she thought (1:27:17) she had a gotcha because it was kind of snatched. She goes, can I have that information? Like you (1:27:21) bet you can. Yeah.Would you like the Haiti, uh, uh, adoption agency information while we’re at it? (1:27:27) Would you like that? Oh, let’s do it. Let’s do all of them. Let’s do every single sex trafficking (1:27:32) ring that’s going on out there.Cause they’re there people. It sucks. It hurts to tell you, (1:27:38) cause it makes you sound like a crazy person, but it wasn’t, it wasn’t that she didn’t think it (1:27:41) existed.She didn’t think that Trump had actually done anything. And I’m like, actually the one that (1:27:45) had actually done it. So when I saw that talk and I knew that already about Trump, right? Because (1:27:51) I’d followed that for a while.Um, and then I saw that talk and I realized if anybody can help (1:28:00) these children, it’s would be the Trump administration. And so reluctantly, I, I wasn’t (1:28:06) going to vote for Kamala. Like I’m not voting for a woman because she’s a woman, right? That was, (1:28:10) that was the libertarians.One of the biggest mistakes was picking that idiot, Joe Jorgens. (1:28:14) I shouldn’t say that she wasn’t an idiot, but she was a terrible choice. And they tried to pull the (1:28:17) Hillary honorable choice and represent Spike was done wrong.Spike would have been a better (1:28:21) representative for the libertarians. Yeah, it was. Yeah.So anyway, um, (1:28:28) I, I was insulted as a woman that they expected that they tried to pull that liberal Democrat (1:28:33) card with me. Right. So I wasn’t, but I’m a man, I’m going to vote for a woman and don’t think that (1:28:38) women aren’t good guys because I’ve worked on carburetors.Well, I’m a real feminist. I’m not (1:28:43) a feminine. I’m a real feminist because you’re an empowerment of women.You’re like, I mean, (1:28:48) I mean, do you like a Camille Paglia at all? Like, cause it seems like she’s one of those (1:28:52) empowerment type women. It’s like the Amelia Earhart. That’s, that’s the kind of women we want (1:28:58) Abigail Adams was the country’s first feminist.So, um, and to by today’s standards, everybody (1:29:03) worships the founding fathers and the founding mothers. But, um, if the founding, if people, uh, (1:29:09) conservatives actually read some of the things that Abigail Adams wrote, um, to her nieces and (1:29:15) other women, they would call her a feminazi extremist. No, that’s how progressive she was (1:29:20) about women’s rights at a time when women had no rights.None women were literally bought and sold (1:29:25) for marriage, right? Uh, not as slaves, but it was right as, as political deals or advancing their (1:29:30) families or whatever. Right. And that was a, that is an absolute dark time in all the history.Is (1:29:36) that what it is? I mean, it’s, it’s really only been modern history. If you think about it, (1:29:40) that women have had any sort of choice and who they, I mean, they did to a certain degree back (1:29:44) then. Um, yes, you know, to, to a certain degree, but, um, it wasn’t like it was like, it was legal (1:29:52) that they bought and sold them.It was right. If they were a prominence, it was done from a place (1:29:57) of strengthening families, right. Or right.Dowries and whatnot. And he had all these, right. (1:30:01) And if it was the poor families, it’s, they did it to try to survive, you know, so, but women were (1:30:06) definitely, you know, chattel, you know, out there.And, and so, and she was very much about, (1:30:12) um, the importance of women being educated and women being, I’ve actually studied Abigail and (1:30:17) John Adams enough that I got my tour of Peaceville for free because I knew more than the curator of (1:30:22) the museum. My 49th birthday, they gave me a full tour. It was a full, full tour.They let me in (1:30:31) for free, um, into a full tour, um, which they normally don’t do because the house is so old (1:30:36) and everything in it is still old from the, because four generations of Adams lived there. (1:30:43) Um, and so, and the library and everything that’s there. So they’re very protective and all of his (1:30:48) letters and her letters are in that library.Um, what’s not in library of Congress, but, um, uh, (1:30:57) they, uh, yeah, so they don’t, they only allow so many people in at a time, (1:31:01) but they actually let me in and gave me my tour for free. But, um, (1:31:05) that was kind of fun, but, uh, I could actually write a valid, uh, book on why Abigail Adams is (1:31:14) the real reason the declaration of independence got written. So I love that you should do it.(1:31:19) I’ve thought about it. A lot of people have encouraged me to, um, you know, but he didn’t (1:31:23) really do anything unless, um, sorry, my eyes itching, allergies. Um, he didn’t really do (1:31:29) anything, um, without her talking to her.Um, when he was president as an insult to John, (1:31:36) they called Abigail, Mrs. President. A lot of people don’t know that. So I love that because (1:31:42) she had that much influence like Wilson’s wife.Well, she had, yeah, well she had to run everything, (1:31:48) you know, and you would never know that. Right. Yeah.Cause of the stroke. Yeah. Watch you like (1:31:53) Drunk History that y’all watch.Uh, if you can find it, go back and find drunk. I loved Drunk (1:31:58) History, but the Drunken History. Right.So there’s so much show, man. But then he ran and down the (1:32:04) street and then it was awesome, man. My daughter would come home from school and while other kids (1:32:09) were watching, uh, cartoons or whatever, right.They’re, they’re little sitcoms. They’re kid, (1:32:14) you know, between a teen. She was watching Drunk History.It was great. But, um, there was one on (1:32:19) um, Edith and it’s, uh, Courtney Cox plays her and it’s, it’s great. And one of my favorite lines (1:32:28) is she like is looking at, but she’s handing these papers and they’re starting to get suspicious.(1:32:31) She’s like, Oh, I’m just a dumb broad. What do I know? It was just super. It’s funny how that (1:32:36) struck me, but I love that show.And they do a whole series of first ladies. Um, the Dolly (1:32:40) Madison one is also funny because Dolly Madison was a partier man. So, um, and that was, that was (1:32:46) her power was, was her social skills, you know? So I grew up in Philadelphia, so I, I got every (1:32:52) tour of every single Ben Franklin thing and every single thing around Philadelphia.(1:32:57) No, he was a, he abandoned his wife. He abandoned his children. He was, uh, (1:33:04) chasing.I was like, I think it was about prestige. He just loved being loved or something, (1:33:09) whatever that was. No, that was John Hancock boy.John Hancock was not the hero that everybody (1:33:15) thinks he is. He ended up having his signature and it gives it away. Doesn’t it? The size of it (1:33:19) just alone tells you how much of a nickname you do with that.The only reason his signature was (1:33:22) so big on that was because he was the first to sign it and, um, he didn’t know it was, (1:33:29) yeah. And nobody, there was only one other witness there when he signed it, actually, (1:33:34) surprisingly enough. So, um, no, he was an aristocrat, um, and he loved his status and (1:33:39) he loved his money and he didn’t want to get rid of any of it.And, uh, but essentially Sam Adams, (1:33:44) who they hated each other, by the way, they couldn’t stand each other. Um, put him in a (1:33:48) position and forced his hand to not have a choice. Um, so then he started to become Hancock was not, (1:33:56) was not really, he was not, not initially initially.Okay. Cause back then treason was (1:34:02) death, right? I mean, a lot of these aristocrats were, were speaking out against trees. I mean, (1:34:06) again, doing treasonous acts.So they were going to lose everything for him. For him, (1:34:10) it was his livelihood, right? He, he made millions. The dude owned what we now know as (1:34:16) the state of Maine.Like John Hancock’s, he owned that land. That was a just territory at that (1:34:22) point. He owned that it’s now the state of Maine.Like he was one of the wealthiest people like (1:34:28) without that’s a rabbit hole. We can go down, but, um, long story short, John Hancock would have, (1:34:35) well, all of none of them really wanted to leave the unit. They wanted to stay subject.They were, (1:34:40) you know, that their hand was forced, but John Hancock made his money from the bridge, right? (1:34:46) I mean, that was on trade. And so he, uh, of all of them, and he loved the status of that, right? (1:34:54) He was big on the status that he got. He, he attended King George’s coronation.A lot of (1:34:59) people don’t realize that he was actually at King George’s coronation. Um, he was a very powerful, (1:35:05) powerful aristocrat and he had a couple of shitty things happen. Um, because of the British, (1:35:12) you know, sanctions and taxes, blah, blah.I’m totally trying to keep this short. Um, (1:35:17) because this is, I love, I’m loving it. So please, um, but, uh, uh, not with my battery (1:35:22) dies on my phone.I hope it doesn’t. But, um, he, long story short, a bunch of shit happened. (1:35:29) And Sam Adams kind of publicly pushed him into a situation where he, he, he put him in a situation (1:35:37) where he had no choice, right? He essentially had to do this or he was going to get screwed either (1:35:42) way.Right. Yeah. He kind of put him in there cause he’s getting implicated or something in (1:35:46) some way or another.So he might as well be all in and put his weight behind it. (1:35:50) When, when the, his British, uh, contacts and, and, you know, concierges and things (1:35:55) didn’t really support it. He was like, well, I guess, I guess I’m all in now is, (1:35:58) is the short of it.Right. But he was buried initially in an unmarked grave and his wife (1:36:02) was not very like, it’s, he wasn’t as well loved as people want to, you know, perceive that he was, (1:36:10) he was, he’s an interesting character to study, but he was not the hero. Neither was George (1:36:14) Washington actually was, uh, if you want to talk about it in another podcast sometime, (1:36:19) I’m happy to, but George Washington was, um, if you actually studied him a lot of the reason he (1:36:24) wanted to do this and, and become the Duke and to secede was because of his bruised ego from, (1:36:31) um, the French and yours.So like, I wouldn’t be surprised. I don’t just don’t give you (1:36:37) highlights of dates. I can tell you the why’s behind everything.Not all Capes were heroes. (1:36:42) What can I say, Carrie? He got there and he was obviously passionate about it, but some of it was (1:36:48) ego driven for him and I’m okay. Did we lose yet? I think we may have lost you.So (1:36:59) Carrie Sloan, thank you so much. It looks like your phone had just died. Maybe, maybe we’ll get (1:37:04) you back.Everyone. Thank you so much for joining. I hope that we didn’t lose her, but I think we (1:37:10) lost her.So Carrie, thank you again. Slows and shotguns. The real at the real SNS on the X. So (1:37:22) we will actually have, Hey, I’m wondering, Zach, maybe we should do a league of ordinary gentlemen.(1:37:27) We’ll, uh, we’ll have Carrie come on and talk about this George Washington story that she just (1:37:32) teased us with. So thank you again, Carrie for joining us. Thank you everyone in the Knocked (1:37:37) Conscious community.What we have tomorrow is, so I have been on an absolute whirlwind. (1:37:44) I’ve done 12 podcasts in 14 days. Today was number 11 and I did two, I did two today.So I (1:37:53) am just on fumes and Zach is like, absolutely, let’s do it. So what we’ll do is we’ll have, (1:37:59) we’ll have Carrie come on, uh, when she’s available again, she’ll tell us some cool (1:38:04) stories. I think this was such a fun conversation.I didn’t even know which way it was going to go. (1:38:08) I was hoping to hear about her stuff and she started sharing about this awesome story. So, (1:38:13) um, so tomorrow we’ve got consciously unmasked with my friend Jason.And then I think in a (1:38:19) few weeks we’ve got once again, the league of ordinary gentlemen, episode two with Andrew, (1:38:25) Zach, Jason, and Sean and myself, I think. So we’ll probably have a little fun with that. (1:38:31) And then tomorrow, like I said, consciously unmasked that is at (1:38:35) 5 p.m. Arizona time, 7 p.m. Eastern.Thank you everyone to everyone who watched my previous (1:38:41) conversation with Andy Semechuk, um, specifically Zach for just hanging out, man. I really appreciate (1:38:49) it. Like I just see your name up there and I feel like some support.So thank you. Uh, (1:38:54) give me wings, bro. Give him our wind or something.Probably give me the wings cause I’m, (1:38:58) I’m minor breaking, but, um, tomorrow will be podcast number 12, number 12, over a 14 day (1:39:05) stretch plus my job. I am just so exhausted. Thank you again.I will be on Monday for provoked (1:39:11) and then next Thursday again, but tomorrow Jason will be there. 7 p.m. Thank you again. Oh, (1:39:18) hold on.We added, Oh, there she is. We, I was able to hold off. Hi, welcome.Sorry. (1:39:23) My battery died. We were wondering that.So, so this unfortunate break, but it’s been, you know, (1:39:31) it’s been such a great conversation. I just spoke with Zach. We have a panel of a few people.We (1:39:36) would love to have you come on and share some of these stories about George Washington and stuff. (1:39:40) So we’ll reach out on the, on the sidelines. I will connect you with some of my other friends (1:39:44) because we have Venn diagrams and this is a community.My job is to get every person that (1:39:50) has seen me plus just one more from one of their people. So that’s all we’re here to do is just (1:39:55) spread the message because the message is so valuable. Before you call it a night, please (1:40:00) share everything.Thank you again so much for your time. Thank you for having me on. I’ve had (1:40:04) fun and I’d love to talk history with y’all.So, um, especially women’s revolutionary war history. (1:40:09) That’s my specialty women and men let’s do it. But you can find me at we, the female.org or.net (1:40:15) either one.I have both of those websites. Um, you can find me on Instagram at we, the female (1:40:21) official, um, and stilettos and shotguns. 3.0. Um, I saw that history nerd wants to know more.(1:40:27) I got you. Um, we’re going to do so I might, I might make you angry sometimes. Like I’ve (1:40:32) actually pissed off a few people by telling Zach, Zach’s a good friend of mine.He’s on our panel. (1:40:37) He’s the one who wants to hear it. So maybe I’ll connect you two to do one and we’ll, we’ll just, (1:40:41) we’ll just grow it.It’ll be fun. We, the female official at Gmail, just email me. (1:40:45) But yeah, cause I’ve actually talked about that.Um, I’ve, some people have gotten mad at me when (1:40:49) I’m like, kind of like John Hancock thing. I’m like, um, sometimes we, sometimes the history (1:40:55) isn’t as glamorous as, you know, like there’s nuance. Like I knew who the guy was 200 years (1:40:59) ago.Like, I’m sorry. I don’t, I just don’t. Yeah, exactly.So, um, so we, the female, (1:41:05) so stilettos and shotguns 3.0 on Instagram, um, the real underscore SNS on X. That’s where I’m (1:41:12) most active because they don’t censor me. Um, you can also find me stilettos and shotguns and we, (1:41:16) the female on Facebook. Um, and feel free to DM me if you listen to this tonight and you want to (1:41:21) DM me, um, on X you’re welcome to do so.I’m happy to, to take any, any messages that you got. It (1:41:28) takes me a day or two sometimes to get to them cause I do get a lot. 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So thank you again, everyone.Kerry Sloan, (1:42:19) check out we, the female.net, we, the female.org. Good night everybody. Take care. Bye.