A conversation about the Freedom of Religion clause in The Bill of Rights

Chris and Mark discuss the first part of the First Amendment of The Bill of Rights: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” We delve into what that statement means and how it affects us. Every answer raises more questions and it’s always fun to go down the rabbit hole!
https://billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/
Intro Music: “Blue Scorpion” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
Dive Horn: https://freesound.org/s/104882
Outro Music: “Neolith” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

Transcript:

(0:19) Hi, everybody! (0:22) Shalom, boys and girls. (0:23) Boys and girls? (0:24) Both. (0:25) Men and women? (0:26) All of them.(0:26) Womenists? (0:28) All the people’s. (0:29) Menists? (0:30) All the people’s. (0:30) Mennonites? And womenonites? (0:33) Are they still around? (0:34) I think they’re in Ohio somewhere.(0:37) Oh, they migrated. (0:39) Well, you know. (0:41) They changed to maleonites from menonites.(0:46) And they got femaleonites. (0:47) Like, are they in Columbus? (0:49) Sure. (0:50) Toledo? (0:50) But not Christopher.(0:52) Creeverend? (0:53) We gotta stop that, man. (0:55) Cleveland Rocks? (0:56) Tip-Tok? Is that what you said? Tip-Tok? (0:58) With a P? (0:59) Tip. (0:59) Like, just the tip, ma’am? (1:01) Just the tip-top.(1:02) Just the tip? (1:03) Yes. (1:04) I like just the, well, I don’t know if anyone else likes just the tip, but I like just the tip. (1:09) What are we doing? (1:11) This started off as Knocked Conscious.(1:14) Jinx, you owe me a Route 44 diet. (1:17) Cherry 7-Up? (1:18) We are so GD on the same page, my friend. (1:21) GD? (1:21) GD, well, we’re talking about religion today.(1:24) God’s damn. (1:25) So, God’s damn. (1:26) You know, that is the best thing that came out of Battlestar Galactica.(1:30) I concur. (1:31) Was the God’s damn it and the God’s damn, because they still had that faith in multiple gods. (1:36) All the gods.(1:37) It was a beautiful thing. (1:38) And, like, the colonies and all that shit. (1:40) Yeah? (1:40) And then Cylons.(1:42) And then, like, bangable-worthy Cylons. (1:45) Yeah. (1:46) There was, like, at least one or two or, like, a number of them.(1:50) She was. (1:50) That was her number. (1:52) You’re welcome.(1:53) She was the sixth. (1:54) You know, the Asian one wasn’t unattractive. (1:56) Katie Park or Kathy Park.(1:58) She was pretty. (1:59) Yeah? (2:00) Yeah. (2:01) Some of the guys were handsome.(2:04) Do I have to be here for this? (2:06) Just the tip-toe. (2:06) Just the tip-toe. (2:08) That’s called a callback, ladies and gentlemen.(2:10) Okay, so, okay. (2:12) Okay, we’re out of beer googles. (2:13) We’ve stopped drinking.(2:14) Bring it back. (2:15) We have waited the 12-hour bottle-to-throttle microphone. (2:19) Yes.(2:21) Bottle-to-microphone. (2:22) Bottle-to-microphone. (2:23) We are going to get serious now, ladies and gentlemen.(2:26) Gods help us. (2:27) Chris, this is one that you want to bring to us. (2:30) Yes, sir.(2:31) Tell me about it. (2:32) The title of today’s podcast is (2:38) Separation of Church and State Slash Religious Freedom. (2:43) And this came to my attention of a documentary I watched (2:46) on the Amazon Prime, (2:50) talking about a religious group (2:53) and how they go about showing their religious freedom to other groups (2:59) and how it appears that their religious freedom seems to be a challenge.(3:05) So I thought, okay, well, how did America become a Christian nation? (3:11) Because that’s the way it seems to be portrayed in the documentary, (3:15) which we’ll get to that a little later. (3:16) But that’s the way it seems that our country is portrayed, (3:19) is that we are a Christian nation. (3:21) A Judeo-Christian nation.(3:22) A Judeo-Christian nation. (3:23) That’s correct. (3:24) Well, specifically because of the— (3:26) I mean, I include Judeo in that as it’s a singular god.(3:31) Yes, sir. (3:31) That’s where the original monotheism came through Judaism. (3:35) So Judeo-Christian as a whole versus just Christian.(3:39) Because they both believe in a god. (3:40) Well, Jewish is one god. (3:42) In a god.(3:43) Right, that’s what I’m saying. (3:43) Jewish is one god. (3:44) Right, but Muslim—but I’m saying it was definitely the Judeo-Christian that came over.(3:48) Sure, yeah. (3:49) Because they’re from the Bible. (3:50) It’s from the Bible.(3:51) Correct. (3:52) 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. (3:55) I mean, obviously 80% doesn’t go to church every Sunday.(3:59) No, but they—if you ask them— (4:00) Correct. (4:01) If you ask them, oh, I’m Christian, whether it’s Catholic or, you know, (4:06) Baptist or Lutheran or Mormon or whatever, they do identify themselves as Christian. (4:11) Yeah.(4:11) And that’s fine. (4:11) I mean, obviously everyone is entitled to their religious beliefs, and that’s great. (4:16) You know, more power to you.(4:17) Well, that’s the whole point. (4:18) That’s the point of America. (4:19) That’s the whole fucking point.(4:20) Is that you are allowed— (4:21) You do you. (4:22) Yes, and that’s the whole point of America, is that you can believe what you want, (4:26) you can say what you want, you can practice whatever you want. (4:29) That’s the whole point of freedom, and that’s what the whole country is based upon (4:33) and founded upon.(4:35) The pursuit of happiness. (4:36) Yes. (4:37) As long as your pursuit does not infringe upon the rights of another person’s pursuit.(4:42) That’s a very simple way to say it. (4:44) Absolutely. (4:45) Like, I mean, we can go into, you know, what’s, you know, sexual orientation.(4:51) Someone liking the same sex does not interfere with my pursuit of happiness, (4:55) so why would I have an issue with that? (4:59) For example, that’s one that I always point to. (5:01) Yes. (5:02) That’s part of the freedom.(5:03) My pursuit of my personal individual happiness, as long as my personal pursuit (5:10) does not infringe upon another’s pursuit of their happiness. (5:14) I agree completely. (5:16) However, that does upset a lot of people.(5:19) It does, because we’re biased. (5:21) If you don’t—if I, let’s say, I’m a Christian and you’re a Muslim, (5:27) a lot of Muslims get upset that you’re Christian, (5:30) or a lot of Christians get upset that you’re Muslim. (5:32) Yes.(5:33) But yet, in the very documents of the founding fathers of this country, (5:39) 220-plus years ago, which we will read momentarily, (5:44) you’re given the right to do whatever you want with your religious beliefs. (5:50) And if that belief means believe nothing, that’s okay, too. (5:53) Right.(5:55) So— (5:55) Facing east on a blanket in mourning to pray does not harm or get in the way (6:01) of anyone else doing whatever the heck they want to do. (6:05) Amen. (6:06) Right? (6:07) That’s kind of what we’re talking about.(6:08) I could not agree more. (6:09) So you have a very good outline of how we’re going to go this way, (6:14) and I’m very interested in this. (6:16) And I’m hoping a lot of people get to hear this, too, (6:18) because, once again, nothing is wrong.(6:21) Our point—we may not agree with certain ideas or religious groups and whatnot. (6:28) However, people are still allowed to feel that way about it. (6:31) We don’t interfere with that.(6:33) So we are very free, or we’re very open about everyone doing that. (6:36) We just want to expose this for what it is, because I think, to your point, (6:40) people misinterpret it a little bit, and it gets personal, (6:45) and then, you know, my God’s right. (6:48) It’s basically saying, whatever you think personally is right for you.(6:53) Well, that’s a very interesting statement. (6:55) You just said, my God is right, and that was not on my agenda at all, (7:00) and I didn’t—that’s a very interesting statement. (7:03) How do you know your God is right? (7:06) Did your God talk to you? (7:09) It’s faith, man.(7:10) Well, hang on. (7:12) Your God didn’t talk to you. (7:14) You just believe that, because of a book, (7:18) whether it’s the Bible or the Koran or whatever, (7:21) you know, the book of the whatever, you know, (7:23) you just believe that, that your God’s right.(7:27) Yeah, it’s faith. (7:29) It’s completely faith. (7:30) Yeah, it’s blind faith, but that’s what— (7:32) And that’s okay.(7:33) That’s what faith—I mean, that’s really what— (7:36) See, that’s the thing, is I don’t like calling faith and religion the same thing. (7:39) I don’t like saying that’s what a religion is, is faith. (7:41) I think faith in a higher power, in a God figure, (7:46) or what I like to call the place from which everything came, (7:49) I think that faith in that is a phenomenal belief, (7:55) like a phenomenal thing.(7:56) Yes. (7:57) Faith is great, but it does get bastardized by humans. (8:02) Of course.(8:03) And that’s where I get stuck a little bit. (8:05) But that’s where—this is very interesting. (8:07) We have human intervention stating a separation of church and state, (8:14) and I’m really interested in how we’re going to go with this.(8:16) Are we going to read the First Amendment, first of all? (8:18) Yes. (8:19) So we’re going to read just the portion about the faith part. (8:23) Just read the First Amendment, bro.(8:33) Keep going. (8:45) So that’s what that means? (8:48) So you basically—you can believe whatever you want. (8:52) There should be no law respecting the establishment of religion.(8:57) Right. (8:57) What that means is it’s not saying that we are Catholic, (9:00) we are a Catholic nation. (9:02) You notice they say Judeo-Christian.(9:04) They never actually say— (9:06) Where does it say they’re Judeo-Christian? (9:07) No, no, no, no. (9:08) When people speak of the United States, they call themselves a Judeo-Christian nation. (9:14) That’s not written down anywhere.(9:16) No, it is not. (9:16) I’m talking about how we verbally describe the United States. (9:20) We’re talking about certain types of people, right? (9:23) Yes, sir.(9:23) A specific group of people call us a Judeo-Christian nation. (9:27) I believe we’re based on Judeo-Christian ethics and Judeo-Christian— (9:33) Values? (9:33) Values, but not on the God belief. (9:36) But we’re going to get a little more into that.(9:38) But to this extent, it’s not only saying that you can believe— (9:42) like the free exercise, that means that you can believe what you want, (9:45) but it’s not going to pick a side. (9:47) It’s basically saying the government will not take a side. (9:50) So it’s not going to say they’re Catholic or Mennonite or Amish.(9:55) That’s what that means, yeah, to me. (9:57) And it’s interesting that as I was doing the research on this, (10:04) the First Amendment and the timeline of events throughout American history (10:09) regarding God and country, (10:14) basically that phrase came to mind, God and country. (10:18) And people say that all the time.(10:19) And I’ve seen that sticker on the back of vehicles and trucks (10:22) for God and country. (10:24) A lot of F-150s. (10:27) And that’s not an airplane.That is a Ford. (10:32) And that’s a very common phrase. (10:36) And I don’t know if that’s just because of the city and state that we live in.(10:40) I assume that’s very common throughout the country. (10:43) I don’t know that for sure. (10:45) I don’t want to speak for people in other parts of the country.(10:49) I assume, and that could be bad, (10:52) I’m assuming that is a common phrase, God and country. (10:56) It is, and I think I can actually explain it (10:59) without digging into it, which we may have to do some research. (11:02) Dig into it, bro.(11:05) People who are in the country are patriotic. (11:08) Patriotic people, in a very general sense, (11:13) are more conservative. (11:15) They’re not as progressive, right? (11:16) They’re a little more family, you know, faith, fam, blah, blah, blah.(11:19) So God and country just gets pulled together, right? (11:21) Like Merca and guns. (11:25) It’s God and country. It’s a thing.(11:28) If you believe in the one, you kind of have to believe in the other. (11:32) Not necessarily. (11:34) You don’t.What I’m saying is they’re saying it in that way. (11:37) I mean, my father was very, my family, (11:41) well, my mother and father, very, very religious. (11:44) Very, very, very devout Christians.(11:48) I mean, the number of Christian crucifixes, (11:54) that’s redundant, Christian crucifixes. (11:56) Well, they’ve got different crucifixes, I’m sure. (11:58) I mean, I apologize for the idiot comment.(12:00) You should see our bathroom. (12:01) Oh, don’t go pee there. (12:03) Oh, is it? (12:04) I need to leave.(12:05) I have to go. (12:06) I have to go. (12:06) Now.(12:08) Jesus watches you pee down there, bro. It’s terrifying. (12:11) Dude, you should see.He watches me do other stuff. (12:15) I’m not ashamed, Jesus. (12:16) Oh, dear Lord.(12:18) So. (12:19) Literally. (12:20) My dad, I mean, God rest his soul, incredibly religious, incredibly devout.(12:25) Prayed every single day for myself and my sister and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. (12:32) And prayed for the salvation of his soul, as he told me. (12:37) And, but yet he did not have a gun.(12:40) You know, he served and he was in the army twice. (12:44) Two different wars. (12:45) But he didn’t have a weapon.(12:47) He did not believe, you know, that was his, and that’s his right, too. (12:50) Well, it’s his personal right. (12:50) It’s his right to not have a gun.(12:51) But he didn’t serve the country. (12:52) So he was God and country. (12:53) Well, it’s true.(12:54) But he did not, he did not, that wasn’t his way. (12:59) So that he may have been the exception to the rule, (13:01) but he did not go down the same road that you’re describing. (13:05) Yeah.(13:06) My grandfather fought for, on the German side for World War, in World War II. (13:10) Okay. (13:10) And when he came over, I am, I am a second right, second amendment guy.(13:16) I just am. (13:17) Okay. (13:18) So I remember something of being on TV, talking about, you know, guns, right? (13:24) I look at my grandfather, I’m like, you believe in the right, you know, (13:26) right to bear arms, right, Opa? (13:28) And he’s like, no.(13:29) And I was like, shocked by that answer. (13:32) And he, and I go, why? (13:34) I didn’t understand the perspective until later, but it was like, (13:36) why don’t you believe in, in the right to bear arms? (13:39) And he goes, they made me carry one. (13:43) Wow.(13:44) And it’s like, it’s kind of like, I can’t eat pizza because I work there now. (13:48) Okay. (13:49) You know what I mean? (13:49) Yeah.(13:50) I’m thinking that’s kind of how that was. (13:51) It’s like he was forced to carry one. (13:53) The fact that he used Pizza Hut as a gun analogy is amazingly deep, sir.(13:59) Sir, that’s how we roll. (14:02) Food and guns. (14:04) And God and country, apparently.(14:05) God and country and Pizza Hut. (14:08) So with, with God and country, and you’re right. (14:11) It’s just one of those patriotic statements, in my opinion.(14:14) I think that explains it a lot of ways. (14:17) It’s just people who are very, you know, people are perceived as not patriotic (14:23) just because they’re progressive and that’s not necessarily true. (14:26) Not at all.(14:27) In some ways it is. (14:28) Some people are being un-American, but in general, (14:32) I think we just have a lighter viewpoint than, than, (14:35) than a conservative viewpoint. (14:36) But still believe in the tenets of America, like what America is based on.(14:40) I would hope most of us feel that way. (14:41) Well, I try to be open-minded to everyone. (14:43) And I try to, I try to.(14:45) That’s what the Bill of Rights really writes. (14:46) It basically tells us that. (14:48) I, I, I want to be, you know, obviously no one’s perfect (14:50) and I’m first in line in that.(14:52) I try to have a, I would like to be able to have a civil discourse (14:56) with anyone from any point of view, any religion, any viewpoint. (15:01) Yeah. (15:02) However, that being said, semicolon, that’s a challenge sometimes.(15:08) It’s, and I, I, I find it difficult to have a conversation with someone (15:13) because of the fact that they are so close-minded. (15:16) And sometimes I am too. (15:18) So, and especially if, if I’m not even able to get my opinion (15:24) or my belief out of my mouth because I’m interrupted (15:27) in the middle of a sentence.(15:28) Dude, come on, man. (15:30) Like, I let you speak. (15:32) Oh, man.(15:34) Can you give me nine, just give me 90 seconds. (15:36) That’s it. (15:37) Can you shut up for 90 seconds? (15:38) Oh, no, you can’t.(15:40) Okay. (15:40) Do you remember episode two? (15:41) No. (15:41) That was all I did to you, man.(15:43) Real quick, real quick, real quick. (15:47) I did, I am guilty of that. (15:49) You’ve put, I wasn’t referring to you at all.(15:51) I know you weren’t at all. (15:52) I wasn’t, actually. (15:53) I’ll tell you later who I was referring to.(15:55) To whom you were referring. (15:56) To whom I was referring. (15:57) God damn, God’s damn it.(15:58) But as we’ve gotten further, I mean, someone made a joke. (16:02) Dude, you’re a rock star, bro. (16:02) A young woman named Elisa made a joke.(16:05) Elisa’s like, hey, we need to get a real quick T-shirt. (16:08) Hashtag real quick T-shirt. (16:10) And you know what? (16:12) Elisa, you were correct.(16:14) Were correct. (16:15) We have improved. (16:16) Yeah, you’ve, yeah.(16:17) Things have changed a lot. (16:18) Well, we really have. (16:19) I agree.(16:20) I’ve always respected your opinion. (16:22) Yes. (16:23) But I’m so anxious to get mine out.(16:24) And that is such an unfriendly and just in, it’s just not the best way to do it. (16:31) And I’m, I was, I’m wrong in doing that. (16:33) So I really try to sit on my hands a lot more than I used to.(16:37) To your point. (16:38) Not perfect. (16:38) Yeah.(16:39) Better, but not perfect. (16:41) So to that, to that end. (16:43) Yeah.(16:43) You just want to have a discourse with anyone about anything. (16:45) We’re here to talk about any topic. (16:47) Right.(16:48) We’ve talked about movie scenes and religion and Michael Jackson. (16:53) And they’re about as diverse. (16:56) We’re pretty much diverse.(16:57) Yeah. (16:58) Spotlight. (16:58) I mean, that’s a big one too.(17:00) And that’s where we’re at. (17:01) So we’ve read the first amendment. (17:04) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.(17:09) Meaning we’re not going to take a side. (17:11) We’re not going to respect a specific one. (17:13) We’re not going to take one as ours.(17:14) And we’re not going to prohibit you from having any of your thoughts or ideas about it. (17:20) Now, what’s interesting about this. (17:22) Do you want to go through that chronology? (17:26) Chronological order of events.(17:28) Whatever it takes. (17:29) Sure. (17:29) I would love to.(17:30) I find it interesting that, and that, you know, the phrase God and country or the phrase in God we trust or that, that, that expression, that statement. (17:46) Under God. (17:47) Yes.(17:48) Absolutely. (17:48) Under God. (17:49) That if it’s, it doesn’t say which God.(17:55) It doesn’t mean if, if America was 80% Jewish or 80% Muslim or 80% whatever, a Darth Vader, let’s say we all worship Darth Vader, whatever. (18:05) I don’t care. (18:05) Pick a God.(18:05) Right. (18:06) You know, Zeus. (18:07) Who cares? (18:07) But we all Americans all know which God we’re talking about.(18:12) We know it’s Jesus. (18:14) We assume that. (18:15) No, come on.(18:16) Hold on. (18:16) The reason we assume that is because in the 16, 17 hundreds, everyone believed in God. (18:23) There was a God that existed like there to not have a faith in.(18:29) Just the general term God. (18:31) Then we got down into specifics, right? (18:35) God was always, even Newton had that God over lying. (18:39) Yes.(18:39) Yes. (18:40) So in my opinion, I could be wrong, but in that era, God was a very general term for just that higher power. (18:48) They called it God.(18:49) That was all they could call it. (18:50) They never specifically, they weren’t, they didn’t specify which one you’re right. (18:55) Even today.(18:56) It doesn’t say. (18:57) It doesn’t say. (18:58) But then somebody hijacks that term and they use their God as the God.(19:03) Right. (19:04) Because technically the Western world is Christianity. (19:08) Right.(19:08) And the Eastern world is Buddha, Muslim. (19:12) But on the American dollar bill, it says in God, we trust. (19:16) And we’re going to get to that.(19:17) We will. (19:17) But, and I may, I’m perhaps jumping ahead a little in that. (19:21) That’s fine, but.(19:22) It’s okay. (19:22) We’re going to jump around because that’s. (19:23) Jump around.(19:24) Jump around. (19:24) Get out of your seat. (19:25) Jump up and get down.(19:28) The point is it doesn’t say which God. (19:31) Correct. (19:32) But we all know.(19:34) I think we hijacked it. (19:35) I think we, we. (19:36) We Americans.(19:38) Yes. (19:39) Americans that had. (19:40) Because it was majority Christian.(19:43) Christ-based Christians. (19:45) Christianity. (19:45) Right.(19:45) Because Catholic is a sect of Christianity. (19:47) Of course it is. (19:47) As a whole.(19:47) Right. (19:47) Yes. (19:48) They’re all, they all believe in Christ in some way.(19:50) So they just, they, they took over the airways. (19:52) Look at the Billy Graham thing. (19:53) I mean, we’re going to get into the, in God, we trust under God on the pledge.(19:56) We’re going to get into these, these things, these cultural things that they inserted into our brains. (20:02) We’ve been, I, in my opinion, been brainwashed to say that it is that God. (20:06) No, but it’s not.(20:08) It’s not. (20:09) It’s, it was a, they understood they being the founding fathers. (20:13) Okay.(20:13) Got it. (20:14) But I don’t want to, I don’t want to jump too far. (20:15) No, continue down your, I want to hear the rest of your thought process.(20:18) Well, this is the thing. (20:20) They understood. (20:21) They, the founding fathers.(20:22) Yes. (20:23) So when the Mayflower came over, they were religiously persecuted. (20:26) Right.(20:26) Isn’t that what the initial. (20:27) See, that’s what I thought too. (20:29) That’s my understanding of it.(20:30) Okay. (20:31) But they were being persecuted. (20:32) So they just want to get away.(20:33) They didn’t even start. (20:34) It wasn’t to start a new country. (20:36) It was it to.(20:37) And that was 1620. (20:38) Right. (20:39) Yeah.(20:39) It was that to escape. (20:40) To escape the persecution. (20:42) From England.(20:43) I believe it was England. (20:44) Yes. (20:44) Okay.(20:45) And the, and it was pretty nasty. (20:47) The, the, the British war. (20:49) I mean, the IRA and United Kingdom fought for how many years over Protestant and Catholic.(20:54) Right. (20:55) I mean, isn’t that what it is? (20:56) Protestant Catholic. (20:56) Yes, sir.(20:57) Orthodox. (20:57) And I didn’t know the IRA was around in the 1600s. (21:00) Well, no, no.(21:00) I’m saying looking even nowadays, there’s like, yeah, there’s battles over these. (21:04) Well, that’s just kind of, so imagine how strong it was back then. (21:07) Oh yeah.(21:07) When there wasn’t even open-mindedness. (21:09) Yeah. (21:09) You know? (21:10) So they come over and they’re like, well, we all God’s there.(21:14) Like God, I don’t think God was ever questioned whether there was a God. (21:18) It did get into semantics of who. (21:20) So they said, well, we all believe in God.(21:22) So we’ll just say God, because it taken aside that that jumps on your individual right to (21:27) believe what you want to believe. (21:28) They really understood the individual right of a human, of the human beyond. (21:33) I mean, more, more accurately than anyone.(21:35) Despite the slavery part. (21:37) Despite the slavery part. (21:40) And you can’t, you can’t hear me roll my eyes on the podcast.(21:43) And it’s my opinion. (21:44) They did want that to be part of it initially. (21:46) And it was initially written in, but they didn’t feel they could get all of it in one (21:51) shot.(21:52) And I’m, look, I could be 100% incorrect. (21:54) 97% correct. (21:55) And I look, I, equality is all we want.(22:01) The equality of opportunity is all we want. (22:03) We want everyone. (22:04) If you and I are different races or belief systems and we apply for a job, we put our (22:11) resumes next to each other.(22:13) They don’t look at the name and read into it and they don’t look at the picture and (22:17) read into it and they just choose the one they feel might be better. (22:21) Even if it’s a coin flip. (22:21) I’ve been saying that people should be doing that.(22:24) Don’t look at the name, look at, and you can’t discriminate based upon age, race, sex, (22:31) but you do well. (22:33) And I don’t mean that in a bad way. (22:35) I know.(22:35) It’s just the subconscious of the human has an innate bias. (22:40) It’s not what they’re not. (22:41) They’re initially naturally culturized, but we should.(22:44) I agree that. (22:45) And I’ve been saying this for a while that we should black out the names. (22:50) I said that when you said that there was a scandal like MIT because they were not letting (22:56) Asians Harvard, Harvard.(22:57) Thank you. (22:58) I knew it was Massachusetts. (22:58) No, no.(22:59) Perfect. (22:59) So the same thing, black out the names, but the same thing with job interviews, right? (23:03) Like whoever is the most qualified should get the interview. (23:07) Right.(23:08) And then how you, you know, how do you do in the interview process? (23:11) That sort of thing. (23:12) Do you want to, we may edit this part out, but you know, it’s really going to burn me (23:15) right now. (23:16) Um, the tacos you had last night.(23:18) NASA NASA. (23:19) What the fuck is wrong with NASA? (23:21) NASA. (23:22) Did you spike your route 44? (23:25) It’s been a long night ladies and gentlemen, and it’s in the morning still.(23:28) So it’s weird. (23:29) It’s so NASA NASA. (23:32) Their slogan is the next man and the first woman on the moon.(23:36) It’s not to live long and prosper. (23:38) I think it’s later. (23:40) I think that’s, that’s our next episode because I was thinking about maybe living long.(23:46) Oh, that’s good, bro. (23:47) One of mine, but, or the other guy. (23:49) Yeah.(23:49) We’re thinking about that. (23:50) We’ll talk about that. (23:51) But, um, it’s the next, it’s the next man and first woman on the moon.(23:57) And my personal opinion of that is that that’s rubbish. (24:01) That is trash. (24:03) That is a trash slogan.(24:04) Is that why not? (24:05) Why can’t we just say the next two most qualified people humans on the moon? (24:10) Does it, does it really fucking matter if it’s two women and no men? (24:17) No, it does not fucking matter to me. (24:20) Yeah. (24:21) If you have the two most qualified people who can get the tasks that are needed done, (24:26) there doesn’t need to be like, it’s almost like we talk about being diverse or not.(24:33) There’s four. (24:33) It’s what do you call it? (24:35) It’s that shit from the seventies. (24:36) Affirmative action.(24:37) Affirmative action. (24:37) It’s like we’re talking about not doing that, but we’re specifically acknowledging (24:40) by stating that it’s the next man and first woman, what they’re doing. (24:45) We’re doing exactly what we’re trying to avoid.(24:48) And I think that’s dangerous. (24:50) I just think that’s dangerous. (24:51) I agree that men and women are equal in the certain tests.(24:55) Men can lift heavier fucking things. (24:57) Okay. (24:57) Women think in different ways that are, are, are more progressive.(25:01) In some cases, we all have strengths and we all have challenges and we compliment (25:07) each other. (25:08) But anyway, what happens if this is a weird tangent, by the way? (25:12) No, it’s not. (25:13) We’ve had way weird tangents dot net.(25:15) So what happens? (25:16) Consciousness, right? (25:16) The next man and the first woman on the moon. (25:19) So they, they force them. (25:21) They, they purposefully select a woman and purposefully select a man.(25:26) Yes. (25:27) And what happens if the most qualified two candidates were two women? (25:31) Right. (25:32) And they force a man to go.(25:33) Correct. (25:34) That’s fucking stupid. (25:35) Right.(25:36) Right. (25:37) Or the second most qualified is a man, but it’s a woman mission. (25:41) Like it’s a woman centric mission, right? (25:44) Same thing.(25:44) Same exact opposite. (25:46) Same exact opposite. (25:47) The reason I say is totally the same.(25:49) I just talk about the men’s physique in general. (25:53) Yeah. (25:53) It’s bigger.(25:54) So like, I would think that there are some tasks that require a little more physical (26:00) exertion. (26:01) I could be wrong. (26:02) And, and look, it doesn’t matter.(26:03) It doesn’t mean a woman can’t do it. (26:05) But I’m not saying that at all. (26:07) I understand.(26:08) As a matter of fact, I’m saying that the two most qualified could be women to your point. (26:12) Absolutely. (26:13) And they send a man and a woman, you know, or the look, the two most qualified, Oh my (26:19) God, God forbid could be men.(26:21) And they take, they send one woman along for the political aspect of it. (26:28) I get it. (26:29) And it’s, I am not stating to be clear.(26:33) I’m not stating that anyone is more or less qualified by their gender or sex or anything. (26:38) That’s all I’m saying. (26:40) But it’s a weird, it’s a weird statement to me.(26:43) The next man and the first woman, like we want the first woman president. (26:49) You know what I want? (26:50) The fucking person who I feel can get the job done the best. (26:55) It can be a woman.(26:57) I just going to let you know there’s a woman out there I know could do the job. (27:00) It could be a gay Asian. (27:01) I don’t care.(27:01) And look, I want women to, to have that such a much as much of a shitty ass job as men (27:06) have had doing it the whole time. (27:07) It’s a fucking shit job. (27:09) But regardless, I’m, I’m all for it.(27:11) Give me, give me a woman that I feel is 100% qualified to do the job. (27:15) And I’ve got people on my brain that are, that, that are women. (27:18) I’d be like, yeah, let’s do it.(27:21) Anyway, you talked me into it. (27:24) Ricky Schroeder’s thumb. (27:25) What are your thoughts? (27:31) A check Mark.(27:31) Would you like to explain? (27:33) We’re going to talk about that one. (27:33) We’re going to talk about beer Googles. (27:35) We’re not going to.(27:36) Yeah. (27:36) Well, we’re going to flirt it. (27:37) We’re teasing it on this episode.(27:38) We’re going to flirt it. (27:39) And we’re, yeah, we’re going to tease it for the next beer Google. (27:41) So you have to listen into what Ricky Schroeder’s thumbs all about.(27:45) But every when, when we’re going to have a pause, Rick Schroeder’s thumbs probably got (27:48) something to say about it. (27:50) Hey boo. (27:51) I just wiggled my thumb at him.(27:53) You wiggle my thumb. (27:54) Wiggle your, wiggle my thumb. (27:55) Wait, don’t wiggle my thumb.(27:56) I wiggled yours. (27:56) No touching. (27:57) Wiggle your own thumb.(27:57) No touching. (27:59) No touching. (28:00) What does he say? (28:00) Hey T-bone.(28:01) T-bone. (28:02) I think he’s like T-bone. (28:04) With his ice cream sandwich.(28:05) It’s melting. (28:06) You want an ice cream sandwich? (28:06) Oh God. (28:08) Back on track.(28:09) My dude. (28:09) I’ve got the worst fucking attorneys. (28:12) The worst what? (28:13) Do you remember when he’s like, um, a husband, a wife can’t get, can’t get charged for the (28:19) same crime as a husband.(28:20) I don’t think that’s right, dad. (28:22) Oh, I’ve got the worst fucking attorneys. (28:25) Jeffrey Tambor.(28:26) In Arrested Development. (28:27) Yes. (28:28) What a great fucking show that was.(28:31) Back on track. (28:32) May we reel it in? (28:34) Here we go. (28:37) Question number one for Checkmark.(28:39) When was the first documented account of the term separation of church and state? (28:48) I would say it’s after it was written because it doesn’t actually, it’s not written separation (28:52) of church and state. (28:54) Okay. (28:54) So it’s after.(28:55) Um, 1790. (28:57) Eight. (28:58) Who wrote it? (28:59) Jefferson.(29:00) Yes. (29:00) Yes. (29:01) Yes.(29:02) Yes. (29:02) Checkmark. (29:03) Bro.(29:03) He wrote so much. (29:05) Way to go. (29:06) Checkmark.(29:06) 1802. (29:07) Okay. (29:07) Wow.(29:08) By the TJ. (29:09) 35 years after. (29:10) 1802.(29:11) No, 25 years after. (29:13) It was after the declaration. (29:15) 1802 by Thomas Jefferson.(29:16) It was to a, in a letter to a group of, um, an organized group of Baptists. (29:24) How does, how was that written? (29:25) Do you have like the phrase? (29:26) I do. (29:26) Stand by please.(29:27) Oh my gosh, that’d be awesome. (29:29) Oh my goodness. (29:29) Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, shortish thumb.(29:31) What do you have to say about this? (29:35) Excellent point. (29:36) Thank you. (29:36) Appreciate your input.(29:37) Thank you. (29:37) Thank you. (29:38) That’s good.(29:39) Is that one’s going to be a weird one? (29:40) We’ve got checkmark, Deutschmark, Woodermark, and Ricky Schroeder’s thumb. (29:47) Has anyone seen Andromeda Strain? (29:49) No. (29:50) Okay.(29:50) You ready? (29:51) Did we end up watching the end of it or do we just. (29:52) Yes. (29:52) That’s when he threw the thumb up.(29:53) It was right near the thing. (29:54) God, it was horrible. (29:55) Don’t, don’t ever watch it.(29:57) It wasn’t in the book, I’m sure. (29:58) Thomas Jefferson’s letter, 1802 to the Danbury Baptist Association, referencing the first (30:06) amendment to the constitution, believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely (30:15) between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, (30:24) that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not option. (30:29) I’m sorry, not opinions.(30:31) I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people, which declared (30:39) that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion or (30:45) prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church (30:51) and state. (30:53) That, and if I may, please, was Thomas Jefferson also a, at least a coauthor of the bill of (31:00) rights? (31:00) If not the author, I believe he was right. (31:03) Pretty certain.(31:06) So you’ve got the person who wrote the initial thought and then he explains it. (31:12) Why the fuck isn’t that in there? (31:15) The first pieces of that, the first phrase of that is so vital to what he was trying (31:21) to say to their God, they all had faith in a God and they said to their God, he never (31:30) said to the Christian God and he never said to the Jewish God. (31:33) So we are not based on Judeo Christianity.(31:38) We are based on the values that Judeo Christians may have had or people of that faith built (31:43) this country upon, upon which they built this country. (31:47) Yes. (31:49) Again, it’s still.(31:52) Referencing a God, yes, because the faith that there was no question whether there was (31:57) a God in the seventeen, eighteen hundreds is my correct, so him, but he specifically (32:03) said your personal God. (32:06) Yeah, not my God. (32:09) Correct.Right. (32:09) Or the God or a man and God. (32:12) Right.He didn’t call it the God. (32:14) Right. A man and God, his personal faith with God, your their God.(32:20) Yes. And that’s the important part. (32:24) So why do people not understand how simply that’s written and it’s wrong? (32:30) I don’t understand how they can make that a point of contention because it’s clearly (32:35) written.The same people who fight so hardly for the Second Amendment. (32:42) Are telling us that Christ is the God in my opinion, right? (32:46) Like, oh, there’s a correlation between Christians and gun owners. (32:50) I’m there is I’m sure there is some kind of or at least that sect, right? (32:54) Judeo Christian belief system and gun ownership.(32:58) So how can you take the Second Amendment, fight so hard for it and then shit on the (33:02) first part of the First Amendment? (33:05) I don’t know the answer to that question. (33:08) I wish I did. Bitter.(33:09) I did. Or did I say it at least in a decent way? (33:11) Yeah. I’m not trying to sound bitter.(33:12) I’m trying to be honest. It’s a valid question. (33:14) Right.I don’t understand that at all. (33:16) Right. Because we the people who are running around not wearing masks and carrying (33:21) their guns go down the mask road, bro.(33:23) I’m just it’s a freedom thing. (33:24) Right. I’m just talking in a personal freedom.(33:26) The people not wearing their masks and carrying their guns are also the people (33:30) saying that you can’t believe what you want to believe unless you believe in their (33:35) God. Right. We get we will get into what exactly we’re talking about later.(33:39) And I think you’re talking about the Hulu documentary. (33:43) This one. Yeah, I’m sorry.(33:46) It’s OK. I’m sorry. (33:47) Not Amazon.Not Amazon. (33:48) Just because we’re going to talk about it. (33:50) Right.Yes. So 1802 is the first time something written in a letter about the (33:54) separation of building a wall between separation and of church and state. (33:58) Yes.Separating church and state. (33:59) Yeah. That was the first time that phrase was documented.(34:02) That’s early enough. (34:03) That’s early enough. (34:04) And by a founding father to say and probably a least co-author.(34:08) What’s the second president? (34:10) Yeah. Third. (34:11) Who cares? Top three.(34:13) Adam, isn’t it? (34:14) Washington Adams, Jefferson, Quincy Adams. (34:16) Right. I don’t know.(34:19) Please, Twitter world. (34:20) I’ll look it up if you want. (34:22) No, we don’t need to do that.(34:23) And we’re smart enough to look that up as we’re listening. (34:27) Sure. But once again, we’re going back to this.(34:32) Uh, there’s a separation of church and state, so I think that’s old enough, (34:35) though, to adopt separation of church and state as one of the original documents. (34:39) Would you agree with that? (34:40) Yeah. (34:40) Okay, cool.(34:41) So we should have separation of church and state. (34:43) Now, one thing about that that bothers me, that troubles me is. (34:50) Tax exemption for churches.(34:53) Because they’re supposed to be separate from, we’re supposed to (34:56) keep church and state separate. (34:57) Are they then not have any interference by any means? (35:00) So they shouldn’t pay taxes or should they be treated just like everyone else (35:06) by saying that they’re not special and be taxed? (35:11) What are your thoughts on that? (35:13) It was not on my list at all. (35:14) Oh, damn it.(35:16) Oh, that’s a great question. (35:17) So I’m glad that you brought it up. (35:19) We’ll touch that up on that on the end.(35:20) No, you can talk about it now. (35:21) I don’t care. (35:22) So what are your thoughts on that? (35:23) Because like, do we not tax them and complete that? (35:25) But remember, there’s lobbies.(35:26) There’s lobbyists out there. (35:28) They’re Christian lobbyists, right? (35:30) Paying off senators and paying off congressmen to get their (35:33) buildings built and whatever. (35:34) Right.(35:35) Do we not tax them or do we tax them? (35:46) Thank you. (35:47) Ricky. (35:47) Sure.(35:47) We absolutely tax them. (35:51) Okay. (35:51) I don’t, I don’t.(35:55) I mean, first of all, the Catholic church has so much money. (35:57) It’s disgusting. (35:58) Second of all, right.(35:59) But that’s because the lemmings who fed into it doesn’t matter (36:02) why they have money. (36:03) They have money. (36:04) Second of all, right.(36:05) If you, if, if you look, but that’s like getting mad at a (36:10) business for making money. (36:12) Yeah. (36:12) But, but I know, however, however, they’re there.(36:23) I don’t even know how to say it. (36:26) Purpose is not to be a business. (36:29) No, they, Jesus was poor.(36:36) Jesus was, he, we don’t even know if he had shoes. (36:40) We pretty sure he didn’t own a horse, right? (36:43) Yeah. (36:44) But yet, but yet cardinals and bishops have gold chains and (36:49) ride on private jets and that’s just Catholicism.(36:52) So let’s move off of that. (36:53) So secondarily, many Christian sects have money and, and. (37:00) There can be money made in faith and religion.(37:04) Correct. (37:04) And I’ve been to, I’ve been to non-denominational Christian (37:08) churches because old girlfriends, Hey, let’s go to church. (37:13) And I went, Oh, sure.(37:14) And then that was a debacle. (37:16) And I can tell you story time if you want. (37:18) And.(37:20) I have that in a little bit. (37:21) Okay. (37:22) God, it was horrible.(37:23) So, and this gentleman that I went, he was wearing 8,000, the (37:30) dude was wearing eight grand. (37:32) Yeah. (37:32) The suit, the shoes, the, the, the rings, the Rolex.(37:36) He was a, he was a used Jesus salesman. (37:39) Yeah. (37:39) He might as well have been selling a 73 Pinto with our lady (37:42) of Guadalupe on the hood, bro.(37:43) Oh, that would have been beautiful. (37:45) Like with like who the Racha as a horn, like airbrush, airbrush on (37:49) the dingle balls and the fuzzy dice in the window on the hood, like (37:52) the hood ornament or the airbrush on the Virgin Mary doing the hula (37:55) on the dashboard for reals, the side of the van with Jesus on the cross. (37:59) So that was my point is that this gentleman was in the greasy hair.(38:05) He was, he was wearing $8,000. (38:07) The point is this, why was he wearing $8,000 when, when. (38:14) People giving him the money that he accumulated, the $8,000 are (38:17) have lint in their pockets.(38:19) That’s yes. (38:20) But that’s not the point. (38:21) The point is he’s wearing it grand, but yet Jesus was poor.(38:25) So that does those two things don’t make sense to me. (38:28) Well, I think, I think you and I can both agree that religion (38:31) has become a business and that’s in its own right. (38:33) Is stinky, but, but to try to focus it on just a separation of church and state.(38:40) Regardless, they should be taxed because this guy had $8,000 on his body. (38:43) Well, you’re saying the church brings in money. (38:45) So that money should be taxed to help this, this, the country.(38:50) Yeah. (38:50) Or give it directly to the community. (38:52) Yeah, but to the poor, right.(38:53) But tax go to the state or the government and then the (38:57) government finds out what they do. (38:59) So this is the question though. (39:01) Does the separation say we, they have no influence and shouldn’t be taxes (39:09) are actually not even part of the state building the wall between state and (39:14) church, church and state, right? (39:16) Building that wall.(39:17) You’re saying that they’re not part of the state. (39:20) So why would they be subject to those taxes? (39:23) I’m only bringing the question. (39:24) I’m, I’m not saying I pick a side.(39:26) I think that is where it’s almost written more saying that (39:31) they’re not part of the state. (39:32) So they’re not, they’re not beholden to the state with taxes. (39:37) Cause the state is the only thing that collects taxes.(39:40) And I don’t mean one of the 50 states. (39:42) I mean, the United States, you mean? (39:44) Yes. (39:45) Yeah.(39:46) So what’s your thought on that? (39:48) I don’t really understand the question. (39:50) Well, they shouldn’t be taxed because they’re not part of the state. (39:55) Okay.(39:56) Okay. (39:56) I’m just asking. (39:57) Yes.(39:58) Okay. (39:58) Go back to tax. (39:59) They’d pay cause it’s property properties on the state.(40:01) That makes total sense. (40:02) Like those types of things, but specifically like income tax or of the church. (40:05) Yes.(40:06) So I would allow no taxation if there was no lobbyists, right? (40:14) If there was no Christian lobbyists and they had no influence over government at (40:18) any level, right. (40:20) I would allow no taxation. (40:22) So, because you have a Cardinal being the head, uh, preacher at a police (40:30) department, for example, like the one that blesses them at dinners, you know (40:34) what I’m talking about? (40:34) Like there’s like, you know, they wasn’t that father.(40:38) Wasn’t he like the head of some police stuff and whatnot. (40:41) The, the one with Tyson, he was very influential in the community. (40:44) Oh yeah.(40:45) And I’m sure he might’ve been, you know, saying prayers. (40:48) Well, we did, there’s this show called the keepers on Netflix. (40:50) Okay.(40:51) And it’s the, the guy from Bishop Keogh or whatever they started watching it. (40:54) But the priest was also like the police department’s like head Bishop or (40:59) whatever, the head, the priest for that. (41:01) So that’s part of the state and here he is blessing a handful of them, but does (41:07) that, are they blessing the state or are they blessing individuals who (41:10) have that personal belief? (41:11) How separate do we make this? (41:13) Well, if you have, is there exchange of money? (41:17) Is there, right? (41:18) That’s a good point.(41:19) So the lobbyists you’re talking about is like, help me get this (41:23) Christian bill pushed through. (41:24) Right. (41:25) That’s the thing.(41:26) If you can eliminate Christian lobbyists. (41:28) Oh no, you know what? (41:29) Or well, I’m sorry. (41:30) Religious lobbyists, faith lobbyists, correct.(41:33) I apologize. (41:34) Correct. (41:34) All religious lobbyists.(41:35) To be clear, 100% all religions. (41:39) Yes. (41:39) Not specific.(41:40) You can’t, you can’t discriminate. (41:43) Right. (41:43) So if you, if you want to not pay taxes, you can have, you have to (41:47) have zero influence over government.(41:49) You know what? (41:50) You can’t have any. (41:51) You have, you truly have to have a true separation of church and state. (41:57) You can’t have this Dick bullshit back and forth.(41:59) I agree. (42:00) I agree that it wasn’t even aware there was Christian lobbyists. (42:03) If we’re, well, I’m thinking there must be, I mean, you, you have churches (42:06) donating to police departments all the time for equipment.(42:09) You have churches donating, uh, to campaigns. (42:14) You’re telling me that a fucking Christian, that’s wrong. (42:16) I don’t disagree with you.(42:18) I completely, to your point, if we don’t tax, then they had, they (42:24) should be completely separate. (42:27) What happens if my mom. (42:29) Now they are protected by fire and police.(42:31) Don’t get me wrong as Hugh, they’re still citizens of the United States (42:35) and they will have those individual rights, but as a church entity or a (42:39) religious entity, they should have no, they should be completely separate. (42:43) Yeah. (42:44) They’re they’re a religious organization under the religion dot dash LLC.(42:50) Your comment is their whole point is to save people’s souls, not (42:53) to have a political agenda, right? (42:55) That’s it, right? (42:57) That’s it. (42:57) That’s all done. (42:59) Well, we talk about that too, is, uh, you know, where’s one of these initial, (43:04) we might as well push this in right now.(43:06) Cause we’re kind of talking about it, but like it was Matthew 22, 21, (43:11) and that’s from the Bible from the Bible. (43:13) Render therefore unto Caesar, the things which are Caesar’s and unto (43:18) God, the things that are God’s. (43:20) And that one seems to be referenced a lot when we talk about this, because (43:24) it almost sounds like Jesus was saying once again, assuming there’s a Jesus (43:29) and that happened actually was said that let the state, which is Caesar (43:35) at the time, which was Rome, let Rome do what it’s doing and let God (43:40) handle the things that are God’s and God’s things.(43:42) I would think we’re only your personal 10 commandments, the way you live (43:46) your life in accordance to God and let the other, let the chips fall where (43:50) they may, when it comes to Rome and politics and everything else. (43:54) Yes. (43:54) That’s what it feels like to me.(43:56) But that was specifically a statement aimed at Jewish people of the time, (44:05) whether they should pay taxes to the Roman government because they weren’t, (44:11) they didn’t worship Roman gods. (44:13) Right. (44:14) So.(44:15) Hey, why should I pay taxes to the Roman government when I’m not a Roman? (44:19) I’m Jewish. (44:20) I don’t worship what they worship. (44:22) And that was Jesus’s response.(44:24) That’s interesting. (44:24) Cause it’s funny. (44:25) I was like, I’m Jewish, not Roman.(44:27) Well, if you’re a citizen of Rome, aren’t you Roman? (44:30) Well, they, they didn’t want to be a citizen of Rome. (44:33) Right. (44:34) Where they were conquered.(44:35) Right. (44:36) Well, you’re forced to pay taxes. (44:38) Correct.(44:38) I mean, it’s not like it was willful, but you are under the umbrella of Rome. (44:43) At that point. (44:45) Against your will.(44:46) Yes. (44:46) Yes. (44:47) You certainly didn’t choose this.(44:48) Right. (44:48) You’re a conquered nation. (44:49) Correct.(44:50) I mean, I don’t think anybody in France wanted to be a Nazi. (44:53) No. (44:53) While they were being occupied.(44:55) Right. (44:55) No shit. (44:55) I’m going to guess.(44:56) Most, most didn’t. (44:57) Uh, no shit. (44:59) Wee wee boo boo.(45:00) I was like, I just have to sneak in a French comment every once in a while. (45:04) Uh huh. (45:04) Je t’aime.(45:06) French bread. (45:06) Oh no, I love you, man. (45:07) French fries.(45:09) Ooh. (45:10) French cut underwear. (45:16) Oh man.(45:18) French so good. (45:20) Moving along. (45:22) That was interesting.(45:24) Our historical turn of events. (45:26) Uh, there was a, uh, mention before the pilgrims came in the 1600s, both the (45:33) Spanish and the French made it here first in, uh, North Florida, but they (45:39) called it Caroline anyway. (45:42) And there were some battles because the Spanish, uh, were Catholic and the (45:48) French were not, so they killed each other.(45:51) Oh, uh, yeah. (45:52) That’s nice. (45:52) The Puritans.(45:53) Um, yeah, interesting. (45:55) So I thought that’s really interesting. (45:57) And then, um, so this is even before the country’s formed, right? (46:00) We’re not even here.(46:01) This is 150 years prior. (46:03) That was 150. (46:04) I mean, 16, 16, 20 was in the late 1500s.(46:07) Oh shit. (46:08) And then, um, uh, that’s fucking ridiculous, man. (46:14) And that’s the thing.(46:15) Like I get back in the day, conquering was what was done. (46:19) Cause you, I, I would assume that you didn’t really talk things out, but now (46:24) we can kind of talk things out and we can kind of get, there’s like a thing (46:27) called compromise that we can do. (46:29) You know? (46:29) Yeah.(46:30) Hey man. (46:31) Let’s like, I’ll believe half of your flying spaghetti monster. (46:34) I’ll believe in the meatball part.(46:35) And you believe in the, uh, the other part of my macaroni monster. (46:42) Oh shit. (46:44) So, um, Ricky thumbs, Ricky thumbs Schroeder, Ricky thumbs Schroeder.(46:49) What do you have to say about this? (46:51) Even though it’s Ricky Schroeder’s thumb. (46:54) Nothing, huh? (46:55) Man, I can’t find this article. (46:56) It’s killing me.(46:56) Shut up, Ricky Schroeder’s thumb. (46:59) So, uh, next on the list was in, uh, Flushing, New York. (47:05) Oh, I like Flushing.(47:06) It’s my favorite act. (47:08) My second favorite act. (47:09) So there was a edict issued in Flushing, New York.(47:13) 1657? (47:14) 1657. (47:15) Jesus. (47:15) And it was, it made me laugh.(47:17) That’s why I wanted to read it. (47:18) You said edict. (47:19) Of course it made you laugh.(47:24) Bavis, you said edict. (47:26) So poop. (47:28) I can’t find it.(47:30) Hey, Bavis, want to know what rhymes with Venus? (47:33) Uh, fire trap. (47:34) Oh man, where is it? (47:36) It’s killing me. (47:37) I had it right here somewhere, bitch.(47:39) He has tabs open. (47:40) Ladies and gentlemen. (47:40) And he’s looking and he’s stalling.(47:41) I have many tabs. (47:42) It’s very upsetting. (47:43) And as we stall, we’re going to, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.(47:54) Really? (47:56) I mean, I can just spitball. (47:57) It’s a spitball my friend. I think we’re good.So anyway that was a girl from Iwo Jima by the way (48:02) It was really fucking good. Okay, so there was an edict in (48:06) I’m gonna laugh every time you say edicts (48:10) So it basically stated that (48:13) People were allowed in their little town (48:19) that were Jewish and Egyptian and some other religion, but not Quakers and (48:26) And if you harbored a Quaker you were arrested (48:31) So it specifically stated you you could be three different religions, but not Quaker (48:38) That’s really fucking it. That’s and I was like, I know it was really weird (48:42) So in 1657 if you quote-unquote harbored a Quaker you would be arrested (48:48) So it specifically stated you could be Jewish or Egyptian (48:52) So was there an influx of Egyptians in Flushing, New York in 1657? (48:59) It was very strange Jews it and didn’t the Jews escape Egypt? Like why are they didn’t get it was very weird (49:06) How the fuck are they in Cahoots? (49:10) Edict in Cahoots or like it’s very weird and I didn’t get it (49:14) We’re gonna have to follow up on that cuz I now I need to fucking know (49:17) Yeah, I didn’t know anything about this and it was so much deeper than I do and I apologize that I am an ignorant fuck (49:23) Well, I’m the Virgo bro.Yeah (49:28) It was just (49:29) Days coming up. Yeah us we’re gonna eat steak and no and fish bro and scrimps and scallops (49:36) So good and baked potatoes the size of a baby’s arm for people (49:39) Celebrating their September birthdays together. You’ll be a beautiful thing ill regardless.I found it ironic that even (49:47) Yes, Jews Egyptians and somebody else somebody else, okay, well, yeah, they were not allowed we’ll put that article in the harbor Quakers (49:54) We find article put it. Yeah (49:56) Here I have it. That’s cool (49:58) But I found it ironic that even (50:01) 350 years ago (50:03) You weren’t you still nothing’s really changed like people still hate each other for bit for the religion.It’s funny (50:10) It’s horrible (50:13) Only a hundred years after that (50:15) There was a group of people who understood how important it was to not have that. Yes. Yes (50:21) So it tells you even in today’s world.We still have a challenge accepting other people’s faith (50:27) Right, right. We have a challenge with that to your point 350 years later (50:32) These motherfuckers 250 years ago (50:34) Had an idea (50:37) About how to fucking solve that and we still aren’t (50:41) We we aren’t adhering to it the way I think they intended us to huh (50:47) kind of I agree completely and what happened to us so (50:53) Egyptians and Jews Jews have fled Egypt. It’s not weird dude, and now they were together in cahoots (50:59) to (51:00) shit on a Quaker (51:03) Is that like a quacker I was you stole my line (51:07) Jacked up (51:10) What about the oatmeal though, can you have Quaker oatmeal? Yes, what if he was that? (51:14) What if that was the only kind of oatmeal General Mills Quaker oatmeal? Is that the correct company? I don’t even know (51:19) Yes, so, okay.It’s the old guy in the box. What are we scrolling through bro? (51:22) next on the list would be in after 1657 next was (51:28) In it in the same year in Baltimore. Apparently Baltimore was founded by Lord Baltimore (51:33) I wasn’t aware of that in the colony of Maryland (51:37) there was a battle between the Catholics and the non-catholics about what you could do so there was a (51:46) Battle within there (51:47) They didn’t don’t know what they called it a parliament or something a Congress something like that within this within the colony (51:53) About the is it gonna be a Christian or is it gonna be Catholic? (51:57) So they went back and forth on who was called an assembly.Pardon me (52:00) So the assembly said what can we do which kind of religions gonna be so but for about 15 years (52:07) They went back and forth about which kind of religion is gonna be for that colony. I found that was interesting (52:12) I thought it was worth mentioning. Did they end up with an answer? They apparently in Lord Baltimore the Catholic in (52:18) 1658 finally got control back (52:21) Wow (52:22) So the colony was Catholic then.Yes at that point 58 (52:27) Yeah, and then I mean I would assume they would stay the same until 1776 (52:33) yeah, and then some guy broke off in four and that’s why he started Rhode Island so that he could (52:39) Establish Protestant. No, he wanted religious freedom freedom (52:43) Okay (52:43) and then another somebody else broke off and started another colony for also for religious freedom and I it’s basically another state interest and (52:50) I didn’t write that one down. So I’m wondering I’m wondering how powerful it was for the ratification of (52:55) The Bill of Rights by the state of Maryland, yeah, we I didn’t even look into that that seems like something really (53:02) That would have been interesting to say.Hey, hey, we need to have a did that look at their ratification, right? (53:06) That’s a very good question. Huh? (53:10) That’s really interesting though, so (53:13) colonies a (53:14) colony voted on a (53:17) religious group (53:18) To that they were gonna represent (53:20) Catholics and from that two other colonies broke off to be free to to break away (53:26) You have to specifically state you can be really now they say freedom (53:29) But a lot of times it’s to pursue their own personal. Well, it’s specifically stated in the article that it was (53:36) Rhode Island and the other state or the other colony at the time could be whatever religion they wanted.That’s awesome (53:41) So it specifically was there to bring in people for whatever religions (53:47) But I’m curious and it didn’t state that but I’m sure it’s there that did were there little like hey (53:52) This is Catholic town and this is Christian town. And this is Quaker town. And this is so there was a Quaker town (53:57) There’s a Quaker town in Pennsylvania.I’m see so that doesn’t it doesn’t surprise me (54:01) I’m sure that’s what happened. Is that you probably gravitated toward your people your (54:06) Community around based around that church in your community. Exactly, right? So I imagine that’s probably what would have happened (54:13) I don’t obviously that would make sense to me, but I don’t know what I find interesting is like (54:21) They went to specifically say freedom of religion (54:24) Yes (54:24) Where a lot of times people go they break off not just because they don’t believe what you believe they claim (54:31) Freedom, but it’s really I want you to I want it to be my religion then right because then that’s my community (54:37) So like I’m Christian for example, and I’m in Maryland and they decide to be Catholic (54:43) I go well, I want to be free.Well, you really don’t want to be free (54:46) You just want to be Christian you want to be your own way? (54:48) Yeah, so we it’s funny how we sometimes though people take that guise of religious freedom really just to do their own (54:55) To start their own little cult. Yes group of yeah, whatever, right? (55:00) It’s really not to be free in my opinion, but I know that’s it’s to worship on their own and not be persecuted (55:05) Yes, but it’s also to develop their community of Christians, right? So when they leave and go do their own thing (55:12) They can kick out somebody else is gonna feel persecuted too, right? (55:16) It’s you and I and over and over and over and over again where you and I are much more (55:19) Open about the idea of the freedom be like, oh cool. You’re Christian guy.Give me a cool (55:23) I’m gonna hang out here and I’m not Christian and from what you told me you’re cool with that. So we’re good (55:29) Yeah, absolutely pass the fucking Cheetos. They have cheetos there if they had cheetos in the 1600s out of it (55:34) Are they the flaming ones? (55:37) That wasn’t until like 2018 did they have fun yin’s they had Andy cap hot fries (55:43) I’m sorry, I want to cap hot fries.What do you remember? He handicapped hot fries? Oh my god (55:49) They’re the best flame. I’m hungry bro. Shut up.All right, we’ll stop talking about that (55:54) So 1658. Yes, sir, Maryland became Catholic. Yes (55:59) Interesting.We’re gonna move it along. Yes, we’re gonna I’m next (56:02) We’re gonna jump up to the Civil War (56:05) So in 1800 years after 1864. Yes (56:10) 1864 there were several a (56:14) Lot of people the the gist of the story is a lot of people wrote letters to Congress stating they wanted (56:18) In God, we trust put on money because they thought that was gonna help win the war because it was a tough time (56:25) It’s like praying.It’s like praying so public praying on currency. So, um in 1864 in 1865 (56:32) What was the phrase again in God we trust in God we trust several bills were put forth into Congress to put (56:40) In God, we trust on the one two and five cent pieces (56:43) I don’t know if they were silver or whatever (56:46) They were worth the value of one two and five cents probably correct (56:50) So that was ratified versus the penny now that costs like a dot one point nine cents to make or some shit (56:55) Seriously, no joke (56:57) What do we even have that shit, uh, what’s funny is that there are like laws against smelting it (57:02) Smelting. Well people would just grab pennies they would buy (57:07) Millions of dollars of pennies smelt them and get two million back.Well, it’s almost double their money (57:13) You want to go in on that? No, because it’s illegal bro. Okay, I am NOT I do nothing. Where do we spelt them? (57:20) in your shelter (57:22) You got spilkas in the Connecticut (57:25) Downstairs or what? Well, I’ve got a little oven and it’s well, it’s not that kind of microwave (57:29) He’s a micro.Well, it gets a little sparky, but he’s a spark. He works. Yeah, so it’s like 1.9 cents to make a penny (57:37) Just say why do we but don’t go digital.That’s a whole other problem. Anyway (57:45) Moving along moving along so God we trust in God we trust in on the one two and five cent pieces until 1883 (57:52) And then they slowly faded away from per day. They stop being they stop putting them on there (57:57) And then they came out of circulation.They came out of circulation basically and stop being produced (58:02) They came back how much the value of those are (58:06) Today, I know we keep going on tangents, but just that oh, yeah the value if you had if you had like the first year 18 (58:14) 64 one two and five cent piece that reads in God’s we trust and then had one of every year all the way to 83 (58:20) Was it correct? Okay, imagine having like 20 of those just 20 penny like 20 single one cent pieces like a million dollars (58:27) It’s got to be so valuable (58:30) It’s got it’s amazing or even if you had one from 18 (58:32) Legal though because it’s no longer legal tender. So it’s like one of those we even more valuable (58:38) Yeah, but I’m wondering yeah, I guess cuz I wonder if it’s illegal to own (58:41) Remember how they bought all the gold at one point then you couldn’t hoard gold (58:45) They had to the government bought it off you and then yes. Yes.I do recall that that was in (58:51) 30s Hoover. No Hoover. Yeah 30s, but it was FDR.Maybe an FD is FDR Hoover because who was right before FDR, right? (58:59) Hoover Dam and all that. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah, that’s cuz the Depression. Yeah. Yeah, it could be FDR.I doesn’t yeah (59:06) But anyway, so imagine that it’s fucking a piece of history says in God we trust a (59:13) Long time before it’s like now it’s everywhere. Yes, we’ll get to (59:19) So it disappeared in 1983, sorry 1883 Jesus (59:25) 18 that’s a different 83 if if my math is correct, that’s at least at least 230 years difference a hundred (59:34) 1883 (59:37) I’m not good at math. I got the maths down wrong.Not so good, but I read real good (59:45) Terrible Lee bad grammar Lee (59:48) Grammatically (59:50) It was just disappeared slowly and (59:53) 1918 (59:54) Stop this 1983 shipment. Yeah, the problem is is the next statement. It started to be re (1:00:02) Printed on coins in 18.I’m sorry (1:00:05) 1908 (1:00:07) So why means 25 years after it was out of circulation, correct? So exactly 25 years 1908 (1:00:13) Now it was always on coins to begin with because it’s never it hadn’t been on currency yet, correct (1:00:19) Sure, so it’s been on coins this whole time. Yes re introduced 1908. Yes.Do you have any back story? (1:00:25) No, I just wrote down and okay. No, it’s totally I can look up but I don’t know because I’m more worried about the currency (1:00:31) I’m more as we as we grew to a more of a cat like a big currency thing. Yes pennies in our fucking pockets (1:00:38) smelting (1:00:40) It’s smelting smelting and she is smelting a smelter.It’s hot in here, bro. You shelter in a smelter smelter (1:00:49) So in can I get a lozenge, please? Yes, you may I would you like a Ricola Ricola? (1:00:56) so in (1:00:57) 1956 (1:00:59) Moving. Oh, I’m sorry.I missed one (1:01:01) 1954 that’s a big one during the Cold War president Eisenhower (1:01:08) Added (1:01:10) To the Pledge of Allegiance under God as in one nation comma under God (1:01:16) Indivisible and all that stuff (1:01:20) And the reasons behind that are very important that we’ve had a Facebook off (1:01:26) About this statement we did. Yeah, because someone asked should under God be removed from the pledge (1:01:33) Okay, and I thought we had a little conversation about that possibly no, but um enlighten me please well, I just it (1:01:40) It was put in for a specific reason (1:01:43) it was to it was God was gonna help us kind of like they were gonna help us eat the Russians right because if you (1:01:48) weren’t a (1:01:51) It’s very much similar to today’s (1:01:53) recent (1:01:56) Political climate (1:01:57) Is that the best way to say sure if you weren’t explicitly for something you were automatically against it (1:02:07) So by having under God you’re now stating you’re American and not a communist. That’s my opinion on that (1:02:14) You had to explicitly say (1:02:17) It’s like certain phrases that we have nowadays that if you don’t agree with those phrases you are (1:02:22) Against them somehow like if you don’t explicitly say you are for it, you know, I mean, yes (1:02:29) So that’s explicitly stupid.I know I’m trying to be very vague because I’m I this is we’re not we’re not trying to get (1:02:37) Sociopolitical and get attacked for from all sides, but basically (1:02:41) What was I saying by saying under God? (1:02:45) They’re basically (1:02:46) Commit to being well, they they they are but the government said that (1:02:51) Hey, we need God’s help to beat the Russians, right and (1:02:57) We need all of America to get on this bandwagon, right? This is the challenge though by saying freedom of religion (1:03:04) Even though Jefferson and everyone had their God some people’s their God is no God (1:03:11) Yeah, no one spoke (1:03:14) Ever it doesn’t look like about what if you don’t have a God (1:03:19) Right, but the assumption was just everybody had one so it was there (1:03:24) So, do you think (1:03:27) Are you talking about atheism? (1:03:29) Yeah, basically, okay (1:03:30) So when do you think because it doesn’t say faith it speaks of God of religion, right? (1:03:37) Freedom of religion be for their own God, right? (1:03:41) Right that in his letter that he wrote in yes. Yes, or oh to 1802. Oh, yes (1:03:47) So, are you saying that there always have been atheists but they just only spoken up in the past 25 years (1:03:55) No, I’m saying that (1:03:58) The culture of the world at the time just like when they thought the earth was flat.Yeah at one point. Yeah (1:04:05) That God existed for everyone (1:04:07) Yeah, every (1:04:10) civilized human on the earth (1:04:12) Had a higher power belief in so that was that’s at least the assumption that they’re going with all of the Founding Fathers were (1:04:20) Americans did have a God it was their God even in 1954, right and they’re saying their God (1:04:27) I’m just talking even back then (1:04:29) But the Founding Fathers never spoke of no God. I’m talking about 1776 1802.Okay, they never spoke of no God, correct (1:04:37) Because the assumption was that everybody had a God right it’s really weird so technically (1:04:45) freedom of religion I (1:04:48) Atheism, I guess is atheism of just a faith. It’s not really a religion. No, it’s not a faith or a religion (1:04:54) So are they pretty no faith or no religion? So are they protected in that case? (1:04:59) I don’t fucking is it almost like a sect that’s not protected because they’re like outside of the Venn diagram of being covered (1:05:06) Because they’re not not only do they it’s not their God there is no God to them.So their God is no God (1:05:14) But the assumption was by the Founding Fathers that everyone had that’s a fucking crazy question, man (1:05:19) Is that does that blow your fucking mind? Yeah, because I’m not even on mushrooms, bro (1:05:24) What’s it called? See both side, but let’s still aside and see less. I believe that’s Colorado legal. I should go to Colorado (1:05:31) We should I don’t think so, I don’t think they’re protected because (1:05:36) Obviously, no (1:05:38) It seems weird right because if you don’t have a God you’re not protected because atheism is not a religion (1:05:43) But there is a it’s a lack of atheism.There’s a religious shut up (1:05:47) Yeah, there’s a church of atheists, but that’s the point church if you look at but that’s the point because it is a well (1:05:53) It is still a faith. No, it’s not (1:05:54) It’s a faith that everything we see is as is that there is no higher it’s a lack of faith (1:06:00) It’s actually if this was not on the agenda, sir. I know I (1:06:04) Look, I’m sorry.No, it’s not in my head. I like this scope. I (1:06:10) Think I I mean, that’s the point is like (1:06:14) After just hearing that letter about their God like well, they all had faith in a God (1:06:19) And so what is faith in no God like does that are you exempt from being American be if you have (1:06:26) No God because their God doesn’t exist like their God isn’t a thing (1:06:31) What happens to those people are they protected under that First Amendment to? (1:06:38) practice that (1:06:40) to practice not worshiping right like I (1:06:44) I don’t know.I just I don’t know. Maybe I’m just full of shit. I I don’t know man or (1:06:50) So that that they say that same statement (1:06:52) Let me ask you that same statement that you said about 1776 1802 they assumed everybody had a God (1:06:58) Do you think that’s the same? (1:07:01) fact in (1:07:02) 1954 (1:07:04) No, I don’t think that because Darwinism started to come (1:07:07) I mean (1:07:08) There’s a lot of things that came to prominence that started shitting on God in (1:07:12) That the 1800s was that what age of reason and all that? No, that was the Industrial Revolution (1:07:16) Well, yeah, but the age of reason the age of Enlightenment there was an age of Enlightenment that really went (1:07:21) Scholarly and very science Lee and took and started stepping away from God (1:07:26) Later, okay, but still the general people.Yeah, I would say the vast majority (1:07:32) But I’m just talking 54. I was just trying to bifurcate 54 in 1802. I’m just trying to say (1:07:38) 54 Jefferson didn’t write under God (1:07:40) We signed it in because of the Reds in my opinion the red scare and to say under God means you’re not a communist (1:07:47) That’s because communists didn’t believe in God.That’s kind of like thought. Oh, yeah (1:07:52) I totally agree and I get what you’re saying, but my but going back now (1:07:56) What if I mean it only clearly states about their God? What if my God’s not a thing? What if my I? (1:08:04) Don’t have one you mean an atheist? Yes. Okay.What if I don’t have one? Am I now not protected? (1:08:11) That sure sounds like it. It seems weird, right? Like yeah, so what is that a loophole? (1:08:17) How is that how? (1:08:20) people of religions are really persecuting people of non-faith (1:08:24) Cuz non-faith to your point (1:08:27) Isn’t a religion. It’s a it’s a lack of a religion (1:08:31) I mean, right you’re not going to the church of not believing like if you and I don’t have faith in that way (1:08:37) We don’t have a lot of Catholics and not well, we’re not Catholics and we’re not Christian, right? (1:08:41) We’re not really Catholics.You and I are pretty agnostic atheists, whatever we are, but we’re not worshiping that in any way (1:08:46) We’re just not going to church and worshiping (1:08:49) the religion that (1:08:51) We grew up with with which we grew up (1:08:53) right, so (1:08:56) Yeah, it’s not a religion. I (1:09:00) Don’t think it is so how can you have a free to practice? (1:09:03) I mean, I guess maybe that’s the thing but by it not being religion (1:09:07) It doesn’t need to be protected because it’s not part of the freedom of religion because it’s not a religion (1:09:12) It’s just back to your human rights. I wonder I don’t know (1:09:15) I’m sure someone’s talked about this before and I’m probably just talking completely out of my asshole (1:09:22) That would sound like (1:09:24) Yeah, I just asked really basically it you know, those people that say don’t re-invent the wheel (1:09:29) I know how can I reinvent this motherfucker? Is that you know, I was thinking about a statement (1:09:34) You said about 19 podcasts ago (1:09:38) That sounds like the better idea in the world.What time do I show up? (1:09:43) That is the worst idea i’ve ever heard what time you bought me there (1:09:50) Which one was that was good one, that was the captain america check mark. Oh, that’s beautiful superhero (1:09:55) No, what’s the worst? I think it was a 19 insults, but I could be wrong (1:09:58) That’s that’s the worst idea ever what time you want me there (1:10:03) That’s good, I don’t know why I think that’s so funny (1:10:06) It’s great (1:10:07) Because you and I have bad judgments (1:10:10) You know what? Like I think I am the most lucky i’ve made bad decisions (1:10:14) And I haven’t gotten burned to the point. I probably should have and it’s hilarious (1:10:19) So yeah, it’s very religious.So (1:10:22) Is check mark fortune looking for the church of atheism, I am for no, I like the vodka I I practice church of the smirnoff (1:10:32) Please (1:10:36) Slowly all that vodka. Okay. Thank you.Ricky sure stuff. That was an excellent point (1:10:44) You need to you need to totally explain that next time you need to tweet ricky schroeder (1:10:49) I will to ricky schroeder’s thumbs. See if you can get on the get on the show (1:10:53) Dearest ricky schroeder’s thumb.Oh my god, that would be the most love you so much checkmark conversation. Tell me about erin gray (1:10:59) And how hot she was on buck rogers in that outfit (1:11:04) Remember because that’s how he knew her. Yeah, he didn’t know her (1:11:07) I know but he didn’t know her buck rogers knew and then and ask him if alfonso roberto and him diddled each other (1:11:14) Before that (1:11:17) How about we swear to never use the word diddle I think we should ask alfonso roberto to come on and go (1:11:23) ricky or will (1:11:25) now (1:11:26) decide (1:11:28) He’s busy.He’s busy on the pga. Wasn’t he? (1:11:31) Please tell me that alfonso roberto wasn’t he’s he’s the he’s the host of the pga tour of champions (1:11:37) He’s on the golf channel like card sharks or some fucking ridiculous 21 or something. He cares.Yeah, I know (1:11:44) It’s cool, man. Alfonso. You’ve carved out a really nice career for yourself on the coattails of will smith.So congratulations (1:11:51) All right, and he’s a good golfer and he’s good dancer apparently, yeah, they make him do the dance though on every t-box (1:11:57) That’s horrible. Every fucking t-box. I think the first t at every every tournament he has to do (1:12:03) They make him do the content.Don’t sell out bro. Well, that’s what he’s known for. It sucks (1:12:08) Yeah, but you don’t you don’t hear fucking keanu reeves go (1:12:11) Whoa instead of four (1:12:13) Do you uh? (1:12:15) I don’t I don’t think so, right? (1:12:17) So he’s not a sellout, of course (1:12:19) He did bill and ted’s after being woke and all his new thing, which I it looks it’s gotten good reviews (1:12:25) It looks really funny.Is it really can it really be though? I don’t know. It can’t be funny (1:12:30) It just looks funny before you watch it, right? I don’t know because the first one’s so good (1:12:35) It is like I I give it props when they were nobody’s I mean keanu fucking reeves came from like (1:12:39) Whoa (1:12:42) Soul crates and fucking (1:12:44) Like he came for that shit and then became like this real like john wick like it’s a very heady character (1:12:49) I mean, I know it sounds simple and neo (1:12:51) Yeah, neo. They’re all very (1:12:54) Existential.Yeah, and this has to do with religion. How? (1:12:59) Time travel, bro (1:13:01) That’s how it has to do with religion (1:13:03) He just wanted to hit dive. All right (1:13:05) Yeah, we’re moving after 1954 (1:13:08) Now you and I both are in agreement that (1:13:10) The reason it was put in was specifically for the communist red scare and all and billy graham’s pushing of it, right? (1:13:17) Yes the lobbyists (1:13:19) Boom, there’s your lobby sir.Billy graham (1:13:22) Had to have been a fucking lobbyist. Well (1:13:26) Maybe I don’t know he was pushing for this to get down. How else would it get done? (1:13:30) What influence would I have a politician to get done other than my belief in yours? (1:13:35) However, I believe in the united states saying we should separate church and state (1:13:39) What what incentive would you have for me other than a payoff and bribe some kind of influence the other way, right? (1:13:45) There’s a payoff.There’s a lot. It’s a lobby (1:13:48) Right, I see your point (1:13:51) If i’m a if i’m a politician and billy graham comes up to me, right it was a billy graham (1:13:55) Yeah, he’s the first guy to ever give a speech on the white house steps and he’s like, i’m sorry (1:14:00) capitol hill (1:14:01) um (1:14:02) Hi y’all billy graham. I say go.Hey, I got slick back. Hey, i’m a nice eight thousand dollar roll. Is that how he sounds? (1:14:08) I don’t fucking know man (1:14:10) I know you’re talking about his son.I heard his I think one of another gram. Fuck that whatever (1:14:17) Anyway, I just hear him go. Hey, man (1:14:19) Um, we’re trying to get under god and we’re trying to get god everywhere written seen everything we talk about because we believe in god (1:14:26) I know that the country does but we do you know, we need to influence you and well (1:14:30) Yeah, but I also believe in the united states and freedom, you know separation church and state.Why would I put under god and everything? (1:14:37) What can I do for you to make you want to put on the god and everything? That’s the next question. That was oj (1:14:43) What can I do for you? No, I thought that was southern. What can I do for y’all? (1:14:47) Hello, what can I do for y’all to make y’all make god put on the pledge and maybe a little bit on the dollar bill later? (1:14:55) So 54 pledge.So you think billy graham gave him a million dollars? (1:14:58) I just think he obviously lobbied for it. I’m thinking what uh, what talks and what walks (1:15:05) cash (1:15:06) Money talks and bullshit blackmail, right? (1:15:08) So like cash well blackmail would be fine blackmail is always a threat thing (1:15:12) But generally you want to be friendly right because you want to keep going back to the vagina paying out (1:15:17) It could be (1:15:19) Hey, I got this hook and blow y’all who wants who wants come over y’all who wants to come over y’all (1:15:25) And get some of this hookah (1:15:27) Is that foghorn leghorn it was (1:15:29) It was a very bad. I’ll say i’ll say did a big rooster pay them off.Maybe richard driveth said god (1:15:36) He said who wants hookers that blow? (1:15:42) I’m gonna get a nerf gun (1:15:43) And every time you do richard driveth i’m gonna shoot you i’m gonna lose both eyes very quickly (1:15:48) Good thing you have your protective goggles on I do. I’ve got my wilt chamberlain goggles or the kareem abdul-jabbar (1:15:54) goggles (1:15:55) And with the sky hook (1:15:57) All right, I don’t know what you’re talking about kid. My dad says you don’t play so good (1:16:02) Look kid 48 minutes running that up down the court.You try to keep up with worthy (1:16:06) So after 54 the pledge of allegiance in 1956 (1:16:10) president eisenhower (1:16:12) We just go right back decreed as the national motto (1:16:17) In god we trust so eisenhower’s 54 president eisenhower and eisenhower’s 56. So now we have (1:16:23) The president directly after (1:16:28) Roosevelt or after (1:16:31) Truman truman because roosevelt truman was the vice president when roosevelt passed correct became the president (1:16:36) Yes, and then eisenhower eisenhower and 50 (1:16:40) So it is the president (1:16:42) The next president outside of world war ii. Correct.It’s really the next chapter of the united states, correct in a (1:16:49) post-war (1:16:51) In that cold pre-cold war the suburban boom, right the baby boomers all that correct (1:16:57) But coming out of fighting this war against nazis and the rise of communism correct out of fighting the nazis. Yes (1:17:04) Strange right crazy shit these power vacuums, man (1:17:07) Right. It’s like no matter what if a power vacuum exists some motherfucker’s gonna fill that thing (1:17:14) Uh, yeah (1:17:17) So eisenhower did you frank pledge? (1:17:20) He did god we trust as a motto.Yes, and then no a year later in 1957 (1:17:25) Uh on the dollar but on the dollar bill (1:17:28) and the dollar silver certificate (1:17:31) In god we trust was added (1:17:34) to the paper dollar bill (1:17:36) And then that set of precedents for and it’s been that way ever since it’s been that way ever since (1:17:41) 57 1957 and i’m assuming I haven’t looked but i’m assuming it’s on the 5 and the 20 and the 10 (1:17:45) Yeah, it’s on all it’s written on all it’s on every currency (1:17:49) Let me grab my one dollar bill and see if it is. I mean (1:17:52) Because I don’t have anything bigger than whoa, and now we trust (1:17:57) I think it just broke a hip (1:18:00) I’m hip i’m broken hip (1:18:02) Just read is it on there? It’s on there. It’s on everyone.Don’t lie. Oh, I got a 10 (1:18:08) You got enough singles to go to jaguar like I think I went to chubby dales last night (1:18:13) Nice in guy we trust right there in the back (1:18:17) I think it’ll make my skin burn if I touch it (1:18:20) In god we trust on the back of the 10. Oh, there it is (1:18:24) So it sets a precedence now all of these are during eisenhower’s career, but he didn’t actually sign it as the president (1:18:29) He didn’t sign it in or did he? (1:18:31) Well, i’m assuming it had to go through congress and senate, right? (1:18:33) Because they are the exact they are the legislative brand.They are the lawmakers are correct, correct (1:18:39) So it had to come across his desk to sign into or can they supersede him with obviously a few vetoes? (1:18:44) It has to it has to go through both. It’s a law. It has to go through both (1:18:47) Right houses and then get sent to the president correct.So the president signed off on the (1:18:51) mod the uh pledge (1:18:54) The motto and the dot well in the dollar bill because it was 54 to 57. It was during eisenhower’s career during eisenhower’s tenure (1:19:02) He all of these things happened. Yes (1:19:05) Damn, that’s a really strong.That’s a that’s an enemy man. No, I mean (1:19:11) Is that an enemy of freedom? (1:19:16) I I (1:19:17) Or is it like that’s a means to end like we need everybody we need all hands on deck we need to be (1:19:22) Let’s let’s let’s approach it differently. Okay, let’s say (1:19:28) Let’s say you’re jewish (1:19:30) During that time (1:19:31) And you see these things happening (1:19:33) Let’s say you’re a jewish 10 year old and you go to school monday morning and the pledge of allegiance is different (1:19:39) And hey dad (1:19:41) Let’s say your dad didn’t get the paper that weekend (1:19:43) And hey dad, I had the pledge of allegiance was different (1:19:47) I now have to say in god.We trust and he goes what or under god? Yeah under god. I’m assuming. Yes.Okay. Sorry (1:19:52) under god indivisible blah blah blah, so (1:19:58) do they (1:19:59) I think they put out a presser bro. I bet you every school got sent on the first of october.We’re gonna start using boom (1:20:06) Dude, this was 1957 and they used to they had pa systems and they probably read that over the pa (1:20:12) They probably read the pledge over the pa probably did i’m assuming I I could be wrong, but i’m thinking remember (1:20:16) Remember these these (1:20:19) Educational institutions that we talk about schools were really designed to be conscript (1:20:22) It was for conscripted soldiers to learn the same fucking basic tasks over and over again (1:20:28) That’s what school the modern school is based on. I don’t know if you knew that but it was to make it standardized so that you could (1:20:36) Get through life of what they needed you to do (1:20:40) It’s very that was the idea of school (1:20:43) So it makes sense that they would read it very regimented very soldier-like very (1:20:48) Structured, but if you my point is I get I understand I understand (1:20:52) If you were a non-christian family, would you? (1:20:58) What would you think about that in 1957? (1:21:01) In my opinion (1:21:04) America was a favorable thing to be (1:21:13) In the world’s eyes (1:21:15) America was like it (1:21:16) Yeah, right. We we won the the the economy was on the rise.We won the war the war, correct? We (1:21:25) Russia had yours we were so much right russia had so much to do (1:21:30) With key staving off hitler. Yeah, and eventually I think that would have won but they lost like tens of millions (1:21:36) They lost 10 almost 11 million. I think I looked it up.It was 11 million (1:21:39) It is a shit ton and there are there are things talking about how how heroic russians are (1:21:44) and yes, russia (1:21:45) Vital because it was on that land mass. I mean they had that that kept it in check until we kind of swept up (1:21:50) correct (1:21:52) Let’s not kid ourselves. I mean, right don’t get me wrong (1:21:54) We had all the put all the resources to it and did it and we lost (1:21:57) So many lives fifty thousand.Yeah (1:21:59) We lost so much we sacrificed a lot and it wasn’t even on our landmass on our congressman (1:22:04) But with the bigger picture was obviously hitler not getting any more power mode made total had to be over (1:22:09) um (1:22:10) but um, I think everyone believed in america so like (1:22:14) Mom, they just said god. Oh shit. I don’t believe in god, but it’s america (1:22:17) So just go along with it like go along with it because you believe in the country (1:22:20) So just say what they tell you to do at school at school.Listen to your elders (1:22:25) I don’t think they I don’t even think (1:22:28) Few people would have been activist about it. Well, there was (1:22:32) In 1957 the word activist didn’t exist. I know I don’t think so (1:22:35) Not really until until vietnam vietnam is really when the activist and when did even in and then in vietnam (1:22:42) We started in 63 (1:22:44) 62 was when the first people got there, but when did vietnam protests even start? (1:22:49) 66 when we started really seeing the company (1:22:52) Yeah, when when journalists I think started being embedded in the troops when we started seeing it (1:22:56) That’s when we really I think turned (1:22:58) And that was early.I mean it was early enough for us to be like (1:23:01) This doesn’t seem right (1:23:03) And there was a whole mental movement (1:23:05) I mean we got out of this rid this the children of the fucking baby the baby boomers themselves were the hippies, right? (1:23:12) Yes, so the children of the world war ii generation (1:23:16) Say you’re born in 44 45 (1:23:18) My mom, it’s 69. You’re 24 years old. You’re right in that.Yes, correct (1:23:23) That is exactly where you’re like all we knew was war in our childhood or coming out of that war (1:23:29) McCarthyism cold war. Yeah, we just had peace. Yeah, you just went 180.Yeah, it just did 180 and that look I (1:23:36) you know (1:23:38) Strategically political not taking a political side, but trump’s victory in (1:23:42) 2016 the youth (1:23:45) were (1:23:46) antithesis of barack obama’s youth the two (1:23:49) Elections prior flipped. Yeah (1:23:52) The children were now a conservative movement had taken over enough to win the electoral votes to win (1:23:58) the election (1:24:00) Not to win the popular vote, but i’m an electoral college guy (1:24:03) So that’s how it is. I’m not (1:24:06) Really (1:24:08) We should maybe we should I don’t know if we should touch that one (1:24:12) I love you, man.I love you too much (1:24:15) No, I don’t think we break up I just think that I don’t feel like four cities should elect every president I do (1:24:23) Bro, but one of those cities is philadelphia. They got water (1:24:28) All the loggers (1:24:29) all the loggers (1:24:31) deep dish pizza (1:24:33) Fuck that philly cheesesteak. No, I love all pizzas.I’m not a deep disher though. I love all the skinny pizza fat pizzas (1:24:40) All the i’m sure chicago’s a great time. I’ve been there me too.I’m sure it’s a great town (1:24:44) I’m sure it has a lot of friends (1:24:46) I’m, just not one of them (1:24:50) I’m an east coast guy, bro. I can’t help it. But anyway, I love all the coasts (1:24:55) I think it was that flip-flop right those kids (1:24:58) The flop flips it was those kids that became (1:25:02) Peace because they grew up with war like it just was 180.You just do exactly opposite what your parents do. I mean, it’s kind of (1:25:08) Very telling you look at the look at every election. It’s like (1:25:13) Republican democrat republican.I mean, it’s like kennedy (1:25:16) johnson (1:25:17) Right nixon (1:25:20) For nixon the rest of four then carter. Yeah, reagan. Yep.Clinton. Yep (1:25:25) That’s how it’s always reagan bush one, but only one term, yeah, right so technically it’s kind of in that window 16 years (1:25:33) Right, correct 16 years not 20. We usually get both but then clinton (1:25:38) For two terms.Yes, then bush two for two terms. Yeah, then obama for two terms. Yes.This is just not a (1:25:44) No, it’s an easy pattern very (1:25:47) Pattern pattern patterny. It’s patterny for sure, right? (1:25:51) So it’s just whether this guy who’s in now is going to keep it or lose it (1:25:54) That’s all it is whether it’s a one or two term thing. That’s all but it’s very patterny (1:26:00) very patterny (1:26:03) anyway, so (1:26:04) We need just to come on as uh, trump again say that’s very patterny.Uh, I need to have her (1:26:10) Well, he’s the best most factual documentation in the world (1:26:14) I still have to start to pull it (1:26:15) It’s fucking I can’t even do it and I let I like to pride myself on impressions (1:26:19) And that was the best one I still to this day (1:26:23) Where are we at man? All right (1:26:25) 1957 (1:26:27) We had the paper money, which is huge huge (1:26:32) huge (1:26:33) It’s gonna be big. It’s gonna be huge huge in japan. Give me orange.So give me my haircut (1:26:39) That’s not like bernie sanders. That was weird (1:26:41) I don’t know why I want to go and have the communist come and I want them to have pay for everything (1:26:46) And I want them to buy everything (1:26:48) I don’t know. That sounded like larry sanders that they they’re the exact same.Oh, yeah, because he doesn’t want snl (1:26:54) It was my I forgot (1:26:57) It was my impression of larry sanders impression. Yeah. Yeah.Okay. Yeah, so that’s the end of the chronological timeline (1:27:04) Okay, the next note is the fact that so in it 57 (1:27:09) Paper and then precedence since yeah, there hasn’t been a change, right? There has not been a change (1:27:13) Has (1:27:14) not that you’ve researched that but has there been a movement at some point to actually have a bill come up even to the (1:27:20) point where a president vetoed not removing or (1:27:23) Vetoed removing not that I neither have I stopped after 57. I didn’t look because I know it was on the bill as of today (1:27:29) so (1:27:30) Now are you offended that it’s on the bill though? (1:27:34) That’s I mean, that’s a question.Yeah, okay, and that’s everyone that’s a personal question (1:27:39) Everyone’s either going to be or not be the country (1:27:44) It’s a bullshit thing to put on there the country’s founded on religious freedom, right and the fact that right no god (1:27:50) But no god isn’t a religion. So (1:27:53) But I don’t know what happens. Okay.Okay. Hang on. So it is found.You’re correct (1:27:57) What if what if I believed in many gods? (1:28:00) What if I was a viking you can do an egyptian you can do a roman and then it doesn’t say in gods (1:28:04) We trust correct good point. So you’re fucking smart. This is goddamn right.I am you god’s damn god’s damn it (1:28:11) So sir you and I this is why you and I have this because that is a point I would have (1:28:17) Totally skirted over about the god’s thing, which is a conversation (1:28:20) We need to have about why did we go from polytheism to monotheism about that? (1:28:24) So that’s an interesting topic, but we’ll table that for now. I can tell you why I know why but is that really a (1:28:30) Our conversation or not? Yeah, let’s table that. Yeah (1:28:32) Well, so I think we can make an hour conversation of what what am I holding in my hand right now? (1:28:37) You’re not your wiener (1:28:38) I was gonna say that too.I was like, bro, bro (1:28:45) So what am I holding in my hand right now your fist (1:28:51) Fucking dork, I know I love you paper rock scissors. So, um (1:28:59) Did you see that friends episode when they did paper rock scissors and joey goes like this? (1:29:03) No flame to burn everything. He goes fire.I win (1:29:08) So, uh (1:29:10) Anyway, yeah, what if (1:29:11) Because what if there’s a movement in the next 500 years and we go back to many gods? (1:29:17) I don’t know. No, what about the current person? (1:29:20) Who believes in jupiter and martin right now? (1:29:23) Yeah, the fucking person who believes in it now is reading in god. We trust and he has he believes in gods (1:29:30) So you’re shitting on that person still exist (1:29:34) Question is this (1:29:36) Can they i’m gonna i’ve got a counter to this now now that you made me think about it because you know (1:29:40) That’s one again.That’s why you have me on the show. Sorry (1:29:42) Well, this is why you have me on the show because I got witty comebacks (1:29:45) I have you on the show because you got witty questions. So we’ve got boom (1:29:49) Bro, yes, there is still a hierarchy of the gods.Zeus is the god (1:29:53) So in god, we trust saying zeus so it covers everybody boom done that i’m just saying that’s a way to explain (1:29:58) I don’t accept that you don’t have to for me to tell you it’s bullshit (1:30:01) It’s not your your response is bullshit. It is it’s total horse shit, but that would be (1:30:08) Well, zeus is your main god because it is a hierarchy. There isn’t I understand (1:30:13) The point is (1:30:16) On battlestar galacta when you say gods, damn it, right? It doesn’t it says in gods.We trust on their money (1:30:22) Do you think have you seen their currency? It has to do they even use currency as they’re on the little triangles? (1:30:28) Oh, yeah when they went betting they’re betting their little triangle chips. Yeah (1:30:33) That’s a great it is (1:30:36) Hello twitter world (1:30:38) What do you think about such a thing if you have a belief if your religion is the god’s religion? (1:30:44) Are you offended that it says in god we trust on the currency? (1:30:51) Yeah, and stuff. Thank you.Ricky. Sure (1:30:54) So the the next point is the fact that uh throughout history the last 150 years or so (1:31:00) um (1:31:01) regarding (1:31:03) government buildings and putting (1:31:06) god (1:31:07) Like engraved on the building or any type of reference of god (1:31:12) The supreme court has been inconsistent (1:31:15) in its rulings regarding that whether it’s actually in god, we trust or a phrase or (1:31:22) In reference to god or any kind of a statue or any kind of anything reference commandments on the front (1:31:28) That’s not we’ll get to that. Okay, that’s separate from what you’re talking about in the past 150 years there’s oh hey the (1:31:36) Alaska state courthouse we want to put in god.We trust on the building (1:31:40) Well in one supreme court ruling they ruled in favor and then michigan comes in and they ruled against it. So (1:31:46) They’ve been very inconsistent. Those states are arbitrary.I just made that up. No, no, I get it (1:31:50) They’ve been very inconsistent in their rulings regarding government buildings and the use of the word god (1:31:57) Either engraved in the building or somehow attached affixed (1:32:01) presented from (1:32:02) Associated with the building in some way, correct? So I found the interesting that there was (1:32:07) a lack of consistency (1:32:09) over the years regarding just the word itself and regarding (1:32:14) state or federal property (1:32:16) interesting that the first judgment unless they’re (1:32:20) nuancedly different (1:32:22) Wouldn’t have set precedents for the rest (1:32:23) I thought the same thing because if I were the supreme, I mean the supreme court can change and it’s conservative and and progressive thoughts (1:32:29) With the five to four vote and all that shit pointing and people passing away and appointing new ones, correct, but (1:32:37) The constitution man that that’s one of the challenges like some of those judges are very biased (1:32:43) Oh, yeah (1:32:44) They’re not as constitutional as I I would personally like them to be I think (1:32:49) but yeah, it’s weird that it’s so inconsistent because you would think like (1:32:53) Let’s say exactly unless they’re you know (1:32:56) It has to be the exact thing like I wouldn’t we’re alaska when you say I want to engrave in god (1:33:00) We trust we’re michigan. I want to engrave in god.We trust one says yes (1:33:03) One says no if they’re exact apples to apples exact arguments and they’re that inconsistent. That’s scary (1:33:09) Unless they’re 100 years apart 100 years apart would make sense or I mean because the way people think (1:33:15) 200 years apart is so vastly different. I mean even if you’re (1:33:21) You know (1:33:22) The technology let’s just say 1850 to 1950 (1:33:26) huge difference (1:33:28) 2010 to 2020.Oh, yeah. I mean that’s I mean we’re just just 10 years, right? (1:33:34) Yeah, just where we’re at in the exponential growth. Absolutely (1:33:38) You know imagine theirs though.They’re doubling (1:33:41) What doubling meant to them like their exponential growth meant to them? Oh, yeah must have been like a fucking (1:33:48) wild ride (1:33:49) You know, we’re kind of we’re kind of used to that (1:33:53) explosion of like uh (1:33:55) technology and whatever (1:33:58) So absolutely, right (1:34:00) Yeah, so as a non-god person (1:34:04) You don’t have a religion so you not having a religion (1:34:09) Having god on there (1:34:11) Because see that’s the thing it wasn’t added (1:34:15) Until we realized that there are some people who don’t have a belief in god (1:34:19) That’s what that’s what bothers me is the timing of it if it was put on in 1776 (1:34:25) Under the guise of the jefferson idea that everyone to their god, but they all have one (1:34:31) I’m much more open (1:34:34) To that being part of the lexicon of the united states (1:34:38) Right (1:34:40) I don’t understand you may not agree with it if in god. We trust was put on dollar one (1:34:45) Oh in 1776 (1:34:47) In whatever when we had our currency when we the fed right or whatever the federal reserve like hamilton (1:34:52) Created that or something or who his name is alexander hamilton. This one’s for you magazine alexander hamilton (1:35:00) Thank god.I haven’t seen that shit show. I have not either i’ve heard it and while I was completely doing other things (1:35:06) Again and again and again and again and again what’s in my hand sir, you’re you’re gonna beat yourself with your fists (1:35:14) But his name is alexander hamilton hamilton (1:35:17) His name is hamilton. Shut up.It was put in the beginning of that (1:35:21) Like in the beginning i’m i’m good with it because now I understand your point that thought process was everyone had a god (1:35:28) It just was what who their god was that’s the separation and we’re clear. Yes (1:35:35) But now we throw in wait a minute. There’s people who actually don’t (1:35:40) Have a god.Well, I don’t they didn’t have that forethought. They really didn’t (1:35:46) And but to see it coming in the 50s (1:35:51) And I understand that was the 50s 1954 (1:35:54) That was 65 years ago, right? Right and and perhaps my perception is incorrect (1:36:01) I don’t think (1:36:02) 1954 was that long ago (1:36:05) And physically wasn’t no, I mean (1:36:07) In the span of the country. It was like what a quarter of 20 20.It was 25 of the country (1:36:13) We’re three quarters. Yeah, we’re three quarters old, right? (1:36:16) I don’t think (1:36:17) 65 years ago was that long ago. It doesn’t it seems somewhat recent (1:36:23) And maybe my perception is wrong.We have not lived through a world war. We have not lived through vietnam (1:36:29) we the the most (1:36:31) radical thing you and I have experienced (1:36:34) Which we weren’t even alive would have been gas shortage in the 70s, which we didn’t really affect it or persian gulf. Yeah (1:36:41) the two goals we haven’t had (1:36:43) We don’t realize how lucky we are.I agree. We are in the moat and as as chaotic and crazy as it fucking seems out there (1:36:53) Because of the social media and all the advertising of it and all the pushing of it (1:36:58) We’re in the pretty much the most peaceful time ever (1:37:01) Ever we don’t have a global world power. That’s actually knocking on anyone’s door (1:37:07) You’ve got some guy with a really shitty haircut north of a really cool country (1:37:11) Who makes a lot of cool cars and makes samsung tvs? (1:37:15) right (1:37:15) He just blabbers on but he’s not knocking on anyone’s door about invading.He’s not gonna hurt anyone (1:37:21) You know what? I mean? Like there is no global threat (1:37:26) other than economically maybe with china and things like that, but (1:37:29) It’s it’s nothing like what I can’t imagine what my parents experienced (1:37:35) You know, yeah, so (1:37:37) to that end (1:37:39) 60 years in time is not anything but there it’s a huge cultural shift (1:37:45) Oh, yeah time matt that yeah that yes the cultural shift. Yeah, that’s a very good point. That’s massive, right? (1:37:54) So (1:37:55) This is where the this is where it gets weird (1:37:58) We add in god we trust the bill obviously billy graham wanted god on there regardless (1:38:04) but (1:38:05) I could see somebody going.Well, we need god on our side. You remember the whole civil war thing, right? (1:38:10) It’s like almost like openly praying by printing it on the money (1:38:13) This was more for the to prove that you were an american (1:38:17) Because we all talked about god as an american god and country, but that’s a newer phrase, right? (1:38:22) But i’m just saying 1954. No, but you were not communist, right? If you were not god you were a communist like people (1:38:29) It was just such a clue.They just didn’t understand they were so myopic in their thought like this didn’t get it (1:38:35) so you come out of that I understand for a period and (1:38:39) But backing up now and going, you know what we when we did that we had this philosophy (1:38:44) We no longer have that philosophy. Therefore. We’re going to remove it the way I see is what about masks with kovid? (1:38:49) It’s like there’s a time, you know, these anti-maskers.Oh my fucking freedoms (1:38:53) I’m, like but it’s not dumb just to put a mask on if you have a mask and I have a mask (1:38:58) The transmission’s lower. It’s just a fact. There’s that is a fact (1:39:02) That is just a factual thing if you’re covered mouth and my covered mouth and we’re six feet apart (1:39:07) The likelihood is much less than if we were uncovered and talking within two inches of each other (1:39:13) But people are like that’s my freedom like (1:39:16) It’s almost like guys, can we just be smart about it could it be both (1:39:21) Could it be their freedom and exactly what you’re saying that the transmission? (1:39:25) It’s a lot less right, but it’s smart just to do it not because it’s infringement on your freedoms (1:39:30) I don’t wear a mask out in public because it’s an infringement because I believe in infringing on my rights (1:39:36) I am the least person to have my rights infringed upon I would think you know me pretty well.Yes (1:39:41) Yeah, so for me to wear a mask like well, that just is logic (1:39:44) Why does why does the fucking (1:39:48) pounding the fist of freedoms (1:39:50) Even override logic. It doesn’t even make sense. That’s where sometimes the freedom gets a little crazy (1:39:55) So like that’s the mask wearing in my opinion is like once this pandemic wears off if we’re still forced to wear a mask (1:40:03) Then i’ll have an issue (1:40:05) Because it’s not logical anymore, right? (1:40:09) But (1:40:09) The dollar being written on the dollar bill that needs to be removed in my opinion (1:40:13) There should be because we’re in a different time than we were when we put it on (1:40:17) Very different right and the reasoning for it is all it’s gone.Bullshit (1:40:22) There’s something in the union crumbled 30 years ago and it’s fucking billy graham pushing this time this at this time (1:40:28) And i’m wondering did billy graham (1:40:30) And i’m like, I mean obviously if I were the head of the thing that I was pushing (1:40:34) I’d be pushing for it too if that’s what I believed (1:40:36) Did he do that (1:40:39) To gain followers (1:40:41) I mean just so that he could grow his flock. Was it is it that simple? (1:40:46) I believe he he was really the first televangelist. Would you say yes? (1:40:51) So as kennedy was the first televised president.Yeah, you’ve got this figure poster child for god (1:40:58) He probably is going to do everything he can. I mean, it’s going to be beneficial to him (1:41:03) Ultimately it moves it. It advances his cause (1:41:06) So that makes total sense (1:41:08) whatever way whether it’s financially flock people just the idea of god because he’d rather have you be a (1:41:16) Catholic (1:41:17) Than a non-christian, of course, he’d rather you be a southern baptist than a non-christian and to that end (1:41:25) Once again, I was wrong (1:41:27) Southern (1:41:28) Methodists are not the people at chick-fil-a (1:41:33) Southern baptists (1:41:35) Are chick-fil-a.Yes, sir. So I apologize for my incorrectness (1:41:39) Last in one of the in the beer googles episode, I believe yes, sir favorite entree side and drink. Yes, sir (1:41:46) So I want to clear that up (1:41:47) Yes, because i’m you know, the one thing you and I are always been is very brutally honest about our mistakes (1:41:52) Oh, yeah, and that’s the only way we can get we can move forward is if we’re both playing with under the guise of fair play (1:42:01) Agreed then we can move forward jace (1:42:04) All right.So we’re speaking of moving forward sir. Yes (1:42:08) I just fucking rambled for no reason (1:42:11) That yeah (1:42:14) Um, that’s 13 minutes that elise is not going to get back (1:42:20) Okay, so moving along, uh, we are going to read off there’s a certain uh, very very small (1:42:31) Religious organization that I will not be revealing their name (1:42:36) But I will tell you about them (1:42:38) And I will tell you on how I believe some of their rights have been infringed upon (1:42:43) my opinion (1:42:44) and then (1:42:46) Check mark and tell me if he thinks i’m right or not. So wait, how are we going to do this? (1:42:50) I’m going to tell you about them.You’re going to tell me about like what are you going to tell me about? (1:42:54) I’m going to tell you (1:42:55) their seven tenets (1:42:56) They have what they believe so they’re they’re like their their basic belief system. So they’re their seven commandments. Yes, that’s correct (1:43:03) They’re seven commandments what this whatever this religion you’re gonna share with me.Okay, cool. I’m i’m game and then (1:43:10) A couple of their little battles. They have been having to deal with okay around the country (1:43:16) And we’ll go from there, okay and (1:43:20) That’s it and no more and period 42 tangents in between that point and the end.Yes number one (1:43:28) One should strive to act with compassion (1:43:31) and empathy (1:43:33) Toward all creatures in accordance with reason (1:43:36) compassion empathy to all creatures within reason (1:43:40) In accordance with reason. Yeah, so within anything within reason that you can be compassionate and empath empathetic toward (1:43:47) Yes, all creatures. Correct, sir, as long as it’s reasonable.Yes, sir (1:43:51) Like for example, I think in this case (1:43:54) We talked about janus right if there’s an ant in front of you. Yes, don’t stop all that (1:44:00) I thought of that too, but if you’re running out of a burning building and you happen to step on it running away (1:44:04) To save your own life. That’s that’s okay (1:44:06) It’s accepted.Yes, sir. It’s it’s okay (1:44:09) It’s within reason in accordance with reason that’s reasonable then you’re running away and you accidentally did not I agree. Yes, sir.Totally (1:44:15) numero dos (1:44:18) the struggle for justice (1:44:20) Is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail (1:44:26) over laws (1:44:28) And institutions (1:44:30) It kind of sounds like our mj podcast doesn’t it it does that’s ironic I didn’t think of that (1:44:36) That’s just well the thing the justice should yes, just the struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit (1:44:45) That should prevail over laws even current laws (1:44:49) Institutions. Yeah, so the systems that are in place (1:44:52) Justice, whoa. I love that.Um, can we say hashtag msm? (1:44:57) That’s n for mainstream media. Trust me. I’ve learned a lot of things on the twitterverse this week (1:45:01) Hello to the world.I’ve heard of you know, hashtag mjfam hashtag squared one mj all that shit (1:45:07) um, but also hashtag (1:45:09) Msm, which is mainstream media. That is the system (1:45:12) To which we’re trying to get justice. Yes, correct.I think that’s a great (1:45:17) concept (1:45:18) Tell me more number three. I don’t know how to pronounce this word (1:45:22) flippity-floppity (1:45:23) the flip-flop (1:45:25) What one’s body is inviolable (1:45:31) Inviolable yes, like like cannot be violated. Yeah, I believe that’s right (1:45:35) inviolable in i-n (1:45:38) v-i-o-l (1:45:41) a-b-l-e (1:45:43) Inviolable yes, that makes sense one’s body is inviolable (1:45:47) subject to one’s (1:45:50) own (1:45:51) will alone (1:45:54) So it’s up to each individual person’s will yeah, so like don’t fucking don’t fucking touch me free will yeah (1:46:00) I will choose free will free will (1:46:03) number four (1:46:05) The freedoms of others should be respected (1:46:09) Including the freedom to offend (1:46:12) To willfully and unjust (1:46:16) Let me start again to willfully and unjustly (1:46:19) Unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of others is to forego one’s own (1:46:27) I love that one (1:46:29) I mean that sounds like it should be written by a founding father (1:46:35) That’s deep read one more time man.The freedoms of others should be respected. Okay, including the freedom to offend (1:46:43) to willfully and unjustly (1:46:45) encroach upon the freedoms (1:46:48) Of another is to forego one’s own that sounds like something jesus would say that’s beautiful man (1:46:53) You’re basically telling me that if you don’t treat me like you (1:46:57) You’re giving up your own rights to be treated as you want to be. Yeah.Yeah, that’s totally golden rule (1:47:04) Yeah, but in a way better way, it’s just written really well the first part of that. I love though because (1:47:10) including the right (1:47:12) to offend (1:47:14) because (1:47:16) That is one of the things about the freedom of speech because people are attacking speech now left and right (1:47:21) Yeah, and all it is it’s speech people. It is language language is very subjective (1:47:28) By everyone’s personal filter (1:47:31) And everything else sir when you’re having ice cream and you put those colored things and you shake them on there (1:47:37) What are those things called sprinkles? No, they’re not.You know, why why because i’m philadelphia. You know what they’re called? No jimmy’s (1:47:44) Whoa jimmy’s (1:47:45) All right, that’s crazy when you don’t go to work. What do you do? (1:47:51) You you call.Oh shit. Here we go. Yeah, just i’m just saying that’s language, right? (1:47:55) You call what you call in you call in not no we call out (1:48:00) All it is is language, but that’s why the right to offend is a protected right? (1:48:06) It always should be we’re gonna fucking step on our fucking toes and stick our foot in our mouths, right? (1:48:11) We’re gonna do it as a way part of the part of our conversation the reason we have (1:48:17) literally no editing (1:48:19) Is because the conversation is what matters? (1:48:23) We won’t get to the final answer without hashing through the little solemn course (1:48:27) That is all the bullshit of our biases and our other things and our enlightenments (1:48:32) We won’t know (1:48:33) Until we muddle through them through that muddling.We say offensive things. We say things that are politically incorrect (1:48:40) We say the r-word sometimes (1:48:43) We don’t mean to but it’s part of that (1:48:46) Part of the process of us getting to an answer that we can all agree on (1:48:51) amen, so (1:48:54) Dude, give me a robe and some fucking thorns and shit. I’ll wear that shit.I’ll walk around (1:49:00) I uh, I don’t know how to fucking put upstairs though and build a build an armoire (1:49:06) A chest of drawers. Yeah, I don’t know how to do that either. Damn it.So I don’t have nightstand (1:49:11) I don’t know how to use a hammer and nails and (1:49:13) son of a bitch (1:49:15) But uh, but i’ll walk number five. I’ll have my last supper every day (1:49:20) Dinner time. Okay, number five.Sorry believes five already. Yes beliefs should conform (1:49:27) to one’s best scientific understanding of the world (1:49:32) One should take care never to distort (1:49:35) scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs (1:49:40) I love that (1:49:42) so (1:49:43) Reason science. Wow, that sounds like logic.Yeah (1:49:47) Huh? It sounds like unemotional (1:49:49) It sounds like something that (1:49:51) you are posed with (1:49:53) uh a question and information and then you build up some equation come up with an answer without any (1:50:00) Uh bombs strapped to your chest walking into a cafe like be logical stupid (1:50:04) Yeah, it literally sounds like you don’t want to do that (1:50:07) It sounds like you don’t believe the 72 virgins or you don’t believe that (1:50:10) You know that you should that you should shoot the abortion doctor because he’s killing babies, right? Like what the fuck people? (1:50:18) I didn’t think about the abortion doctor. I just popped in my head man. I’m sorry.That’s fine (1:50:22) We’ll start drinking after number six (1:50:26) People are fallible (1:50:28) If one makes a mistake (1:50:31) One should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm (1:50:36) That might have been caused (1:50:41) What do what do you say to that? It’s like it is the perfect phrase like (1:50:45) No shit, we’re fallible. Did we not just say did you not just say fuck up on our way to get to the answer? (1:50:51) Yes, we’re gonna fucking make mistakes. However, how many times have we fessed up just in the mj thing alone? Yeah (1:50:58) Just that alone a 180 in just my my true feelings of the matter from logic that was laid out in front of me.Yeah (1:51:07) And what did I do I fessed up and what happened (1:51:10) One single person. I don’t know why like it was I didn’t turn enough (1:51:15) I didn’t agree enough with the with my change of heart like (1:51:18) It’s weird, right? Like that makes total sense. You know what take personal accountability.Oh my god personal accountability sucks (1:51:25) It’s the worst thing (1:51:27) Who is this fucking I we’re gonna find out who this fucking group is but they’re speaking way too (1:51:31) Intelligently and logically for me to fucking follow right now (1:51:35) number seven (1:51:39) Every tenant is a guiding principle (1:51:42) designed to inspire nobility in action and thought (1:51:47) the spirit of compassion (1:51:49) wisdom and justice (1:51:51) Should always prevail (1:51:53) Over the written or spoken word. It’s beautiful (1:52:02) So you’ve got seven tenets of some group yes, are they religious organization are they kind of yes, well they okay (1:52:10) So this religious organization? (1:52:13) Is trying to promote equality (1:52:16) Across the world among all religious organizations (1:52:21) And for all creatures within reason I mean, it’s like even beyond human human rights (1:52:26) Yes, they’re trying to be it sounds to me as pacifist as possible within (1:52:31) Reason within their ability. Absolutely.They promote non-violence (1:52:35) It’s interesting. So in uh, 2016 (1:52:41) The arkansas (1:52:43) State capital wanted to put up a (1:52:47) granite monument of the ten commandments (1:52:50) This group (1:52:52) Wanted to put up a monument of their own (1:52:55) because that (1:52:57) That seemed fair was it? (1:52:59) Well, obviously we’ve talked about this but wasn’t it it was somebody (1:53:04) It was something representing their religion, correct or what they said the religion was correct (1:53:09) so and I thought well, why not just (1:53:10) Call everybody in my head. I thought call call the jews call the muslims call the buddhists call let’s put up six statues (1:53:19) So arkansas wanted to put the ten commandments outside of the courthouse (1:53:24) The state capital state capital yes, and this other organization (1:53:28) Yes (1:53:29) Of whom you wrote you read the seven tenets, correct? (1:53:34) Wanted to put a statue representing their faith.Yes (1:53:37) Their religion their religion specific because faith is not it’s not protected religion is protected, correct? Okay (1:53:44) And you wanted to call? (1:53:46) And I thought why doesn’t this organization? (1:53:50) Call a jewish synagogue. Why don’t they call a a (1:53:54) Muslim temple and to add their pieces. Yeah, let’s just line them up.Yeah, because technically (1:53:59) The united states is a free (1:54:02) religious country (1:54:04) let’s do it because (1:54:06) again (1:54:07) separation of church and state (1:54:09) dictates (1:54:10) arkansas is not allowed to put the ten commandments on (1:54:14) state property grounds (1:54:16) and that is a direct violation because (1:54:19) Congress well, this is congress though states different possibly (1:54:24) I understand but please whether it’s constitutional because it does set a precedent for the state correct as a whole (1:54:30) But let’s just say right (1:54:33) Let’s say remember states rights had the confederate flag was in georgia for all that time right until it wasn’t south carolina (1:54:39) But that’s south carolina. I apologize. I thought georgia had it too (1:54:42) Well, they had it for a while and left got rid of it before sure (1:54:45) But if I was just shitting on you if a lawsuit (1:54:48) Went to the united states supreme court because arkansas put the ten commandments on state grounds (1:54:54) I would be fairly certain that they would be forced to remove it (1:54:58) Because it is a violation of separation of church and state (1:55:02) It’s a violation of the first amendment for christ’s sake.Yeah, that’s interesting because i’m a supreme court justice (1:55:08) well, what’s interesting here though anything not (1:55:12) The powers not delegated to the united states by the constitution (1:55:16) Nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states respectively (1:55:22) Or to the people. So do you think the 10th commandment and the first commandment aren’t they conflict each other the (1:55:27) amendments yes (1:55:29) I don’t because (1:55:32) It well, this is where it gets tricky because I honestly I haven’t even thought about going down this brain path yet (1:55:38) I’d it just this all just popped me. So I apologize.It’s like (1:55:42) but (1:55:44) a state (1:55:46) it’s is the constitution about separation church and state (1:55:51) I actually i’m sorry. I’m wrong. I’m 100 wrong.I’m taking accountability. I’m taking tenant number six from these guys (1:55:58) Because the power’s not delegated by the constitution. This one is actually delegated.It’s a it’s an amendment to the constitution (1:56:05) speaking of religious (1:56:07) freedoms, so that one is that one supersedes the states (1:56:11) Because it’s saying anything not given to by the constitution is the state’s rights (1:56:16) This is not one of them because it is in the constitution. So I i’ve already shat on my own (1:56:20) So can you so what’s your final answer check mark? (1:56:24) My answer is this (1:56:26) Is arkansas allowed to put that on grounds or not? (1:56:29) Not per not per the constitution for the first amendment. No because the whole point is (1:56:35) Make no law respecting an establishment religion by putting the ten commandments you are now acknowledging (1:56:42) The ten commandments come from the bible only.Yeah, so it is only a specific religion that believes in the bible (1:56:48) That’s who you are respecting and it shall not do that (1:56:52) So it should not at all and not if it does it should respect all I don’t agree with that either (1:56:58) It shouldn’t even have it (1:57:01) period (1:57:02) Not all of them (1:57:04) None of them (1:57:06) What are your thoughts? I agree completely or do you think everyone if if not? (1:57:10) I believe that if (1:57:11) First of all the ten commandments (1:57:14) no religious (1:57:15) Item or reference should be on any government (1:57:20) Property land of any kind are there tenants of the quran? I’m sure right? There’s got to be a list or something (1:57:26) Yeah, so right (1:57:29) It (1:57:30) That’s the point of government is to not interfere with religion and religion not interfere with government (1:57:35) Because that’s what religious freedom is and that’s that’s the whole point and our laws were not written on the ten commandments (1:57:41) They weren’t i’m pretty sure not all so um shit fucking the ten commandments were in on one fucking law (1:57:47) Well two golden golden rule and hammurabi right eye for an eye. I mean basically (1:57:52) Yes, I mean it’s basically golden rule is what it was more than anything (1:57:56) Uh do into others as you’d like to have done to you. You don’t want people stealing your shit and killing you and doing (1:58:01) So don’t do that (1:58:03) It’s not really.Yeah, it’s pretty basic. We should break down the ten commandments because I I have so much to say about it (1:58:09) Too much. Anyway, not now (1:58:14) Thank god, I don’t want to go through this now not now it’s two hours and three minutes (1:58:18) Okay, so the the point is that you asked my opinion.My opinion is that (1:58:23) There should be no religious (1:58:26) Affiliation with any government building at any level of any kind regardless doing so you’re respecting an establishment religion, correct? (1:58:32) so if if a muslim group puts a muslim phrase or (1:58:38) statue or marble, whatever on a on this (1:58:43) the denver city capital (1:58:45) Then a jewish (1:58:46) Artifact should be able to put up there and a christian thing. I don’t agree with that either (1:58:50) Well, I agree that none I (1:58:52) I agree. However, let’s just say the city council votes.Okay, we’re going to allow this jewish thing (1:58:58) Okay, then everybody gets their thing. Correct all everybody it is an all or nothing, correct? (1:59:03) so the fact that preferably nothing the fact that (1:59:08) Oh, we’re going to put the ten commandments up, but then another group says oh you okay (1:59:12) Well, then mine needs to go too (1:59:14) Then there’s mass protests because you want to put yours up too that’s not no (1:59:21) Well in a democracy where people feel like they can say they can vote on everything which they technically can’t work because we’re a public (1:59:29) the majority of people (1:59:31) Would counter that religion don’t believe in that religion (1:59:35) So they would that would be their vote to not allow it but that is a but is a direct violation (1:59:41) They should not be allowed to vote on that is the point they should not even be allowed to have a say on I agree (1:59:47) So much (1:59:47) Right. Yes, really the ultimate issue now, sir (1:59:51) now that (1:59:52) Now that they did allow (1:59:57) the ten commandments to be on that (2:00:00) now there they put themselves in a sticky wicket because they (2:00:04) then the floodgates open and anyone who’s who would like to have their (2:00:10) Religion respected and you know (2:00:13) They’re established religion respected would have to put it next to that because you allowed one to do it (2:00:17) So you have to allow them all I agree and if you remove one you have to remove all (2:00:22) So now cities and states or whatever whoever has these decisions.They have two decisions to make (2:00:29) Should do they even have any right to to allow that to happen? Should that even be a thing? Our opinion is no (2:00:36) but if done (2:00:39) Now do we have to let everyone else? (2:00:43) You know, or do we remove our one thing that comes down to that (2:00:50) but yeah, if I were (2:00:52) If I were a christian and I put up the ten commandments because i’m christian and then you want to put up x that’s not (2:00:57) My thing i’d be like, well, I don’t like that up there. Well, yours is up there (2:01:01) Yeah, but you know, it’s me because it’s mine and there’s more of us here. You know what I mean? (2:01:05) That’s how that’s how they’re going to do it.Yes (2:01:08) And it’s wrong because they’re not they’re not they don’t even understand the fucking bill of rights they don’t understand the constitution (2:01:14) Apparently just by putting the ten commandments up. We don’t fucking understand the constitution (2:01:21) Like in the first place (2:01:22) Like the people running for office don’t even understand the fucking thing that on which the platform on which they’re running (2:01:29) Which this is the definition of the country at the time. Don’t get me wrong.You can change it (2:01:33) There are things called amendments and yes (2:01:36) To your point slavery was amended out (2:01:40) of (2:01:40) Of anything it was an amendment added right, but they also abolished alcohol (2:01:46) They allowed women to vote in 19 fucking 20, right? (2:01:49) But I agree with that but don’t but they waited that long is my point (2:01:52) That that had to be fucking written in not fucking assumed from day one makes no sense to you and I right (2:01:59) But that’s the point is like people are like, yeah, but you don’t believe in changing country. No, I do through the amendment process (2:02:04) There’s a clear (2:02:05) There is a clear path to making a change to the rules that we have put upon ourselves in this country (2:02:12) Yes, and in order to get that change done you have to jump through the fucking hoops (2:02:18) It happens to be ratification by x amount of people and this and that and the other but you can do it (2:02:24) It’s it’s that is your path and that is your that is clearly stated. There’s no you can’t (2:02:30) There’s no changing of the rules they don’t move the goalposts once you start making a movement, right? (2:02:35) Like if you have an idea that’s better and you can get three quarters of the states to agree you make change (2:02:42) It’s clear it’s clearly written (2:02:45) So to say that we’re like it’s yes (2:02:47) We may be fixed currently and i’m talking obviously in a broader sense.I understand about religion. Yeah in a broader sense (2:02:55) We (2:02:56) Do have the ability to make change we’re not stuck (2:02:59) No one who says that they’re constitutionalists or whatever are stuck on the constitution because they know (2:03:05) That change can happen within the constitution. It allows for it (2:03:11) And here’s your soap off the bat (2:03:13) Uh in addition to arkansas a very similar event happened in missouri where they wanted to put a christian monument on state grounds (2:03:21) and the same basic (2:03:23) thing transpired (2:03:25) Um, there was the same type of event in the city of phoenix, arizona where um in 2016 (2:03:33) this (2:03:35) There’s a prayer before every city council meeting (2:03:38) so this organization petitioned to give the prayer (2:03:42) and (2:03:44) when (2:03:44) The city council and the citizens of phoenix found out the organization that it was there was a massive (2:03:52) massive uproar (2:03:53) Push back people were up in arms (2:03:58) now (2:03:58) That’s the question who was leading the prayer in the beginning.Do you remember? Was it like a priest or uh, (2:04:05) any any (2:04:06) Any church organization was they had to there was a oh, there’s like an okay (2:04:11) So you could ask to lead the prayer (2:04:14) I’m from the jewish synagogue. I’m from the may I lead the prayer? Oh, yeah (2:04:18) Here’s the here’s the application go online this and that and you come in you do your thing (2:04:23) But because this religion had a word in it because because of who they are who they allegedly represent, correct (2:04:30) um, there was a massive (2:04:33) massive uproar by (2:04:36) In in essence the christian faith the christian i’m sorry the christian religion and a number of people that showed up and there was one (2:04:44) elderly gentleman (2:04:46) that actually held up a dollar bill and he said (2:04:51) Our country says in god we trust on and i’m (2:04:56) since 1957 and I went dude (2:04:58) But it says god it doesn’t say which god it doesn’t say right (2:05:02) It doesn’t it just but that’s in that gentleman’s mind (2:05:07) That was his interpretation (2:05:08) That it’s his god (2:05:10) That could be any god pick a god dude. There’s like a lot of them (2:05:15) It doesn’t raw horace pick one, right? (2:05:19) Well, that’s what’s funny is god is both a description of zeus (2:05:25) Horace, yeah, whatever sumerian god pick one and the proper name of (2:05:31) the (2:05:32) Capital g. Yeah (2:05:34) That’s a problem (2:05:36) On its own.That’s why I (2:05:39) Call it (2:05:40) Ta-da (2:05:46) The place from which everything came (2:05:50) But that goes back to your point about (2:05:53) The judeo-christian right that in most people’s minds, correct when you say god (2:05:59) That’s what they think right because we were founded on judeo-christian (2:06:04) values (2:06:05) correct (2:06:06) when everyone believed in (2:06:07) God of some sort their god. I believe judeo-christian values are good. I mean, yes community.Yes (2:06:14) all of the values (2:06:17) are (2:06:18) Absolutely upon what they’re yes, and they’re amazing turn the other cheek. Yes, like yeah be kind to one. Absolutely (2:06:25) Uh lend someone your you know, why look for the splinter in his eye when you have a log in your own (2:06:30) Well, you know lend your plow blah blah all the fuck.I mean this is dude lend your plow (2:06:35) Lending bro lending (2:06:38) Not give not taking from me and giving to you. Oh (2:06:41) Okay, it’s like lendingtree.com, bro (2:06:43) They are not sponsors here dear lending tree, please sponsor us, please give us 13 cents to our paypal account (2:06:51) As we have said you three times we’ve said you thrice in one minute whoa (2:06:56) That was the third that was the third time. So, um (2:07:00) the the the phoenix arizona city council thing really (2:07:04) We live in phoenix.So it’s directly impactful to us as our pursuit of happiness (2:07:08) I was really surprised at the amount of anger (2:07:13) That was raised by the citizens that came (2:07:16) to council meetings (2:07:19) to (2:07:21) To state why they believe that this organization should not be allowed to say a prayer (2:07:26) And this organization has done nothing to them. They they’ve harmed (2:07:30) No one they’ve they mean no ill will to anyone they’ve done nothing wrong (2:07:35) They do community service events their tenants are nothing but peace and harmony (2:07:42) But these people were pissed (2:07:45) And which is the opposite of my mother would say christianity. That’s not very christ-like christopher.Yeah (2:07:51) Uh, there’s a thing called christ consciousness (2:07:54) So, uh to get to the point this organization is the satanic temple what i’m out bye felicia (2:08:00) Fuck that so they have this no, they worship same. Fuck that man (2:08:04) What’s funny is they actually don’t worship satan what they don’t worship satan. They don’t they don’t they just call themselves (2:08:10) The satanic temple.Okay, and but they do like a certain figure that they put up. They do their their symbol is baphomet (2:08:19) Which uh, we have in our he’s our honorary guy. He’s on the 1983 slayer album haunting the chapel.So I have a little statue (2:08:27) I don’t know. How does that how it’s perfect dude? Not at all at all (2:08:30) We need checkmark to do it. So my whole thing’s the chapel.I am for to haunting your chapel (2:08:38) Hello, oh beelzebub. Yes, come come look at my beelzebub (2:08:42) so ill regardless (2:08:45) um, it’s the satanic temple and you they have chapters in almost every city around the world and (2:08:52) You can look up the seven tenets which are they’re very peaceful and harmonious and they may they mean no ill will to anyone (2:08:59) But people were pissed just because of the name and it just goes to show like i’m not (2:09:05) I don’t go to their meetings. I don’t have anything to do with them, but I (2:09:10) I listened (2:09:12) To what they said on the documentary with an open mind and I read the documentary by the way is called hail st (2:09:17) Yes, correct, and it’s on hulu.Hail satan hail comma satan exclamation point. There you go (2:09:23) And I it’s I think in fact it’s when they first came out and said, yeah, we don’t we don’t we don’t actually worship satan (2:09:28) we just (2:09:30) We call ourselves the satanic temple (2:09:32) And the people I actually found the documentary (2:09:36) Somewhat comical and I actually laughed because I found it light it was done in non (2:09:41) Not such a serious way, but it but it was a serious point (2:09:45) They made a very good point and approached it from not the most heavy way, which I really liked (2:09:52) That’s what I liked about that, but it showed to me (2:09:54) That this organization could be called (2:09:58) The sonic temple it doesn’t have to be (2:10:01) but it showed how (2:10:03) religious persecution (2:10:05) Like it was the quakers. It was the puritans.It was it could be jews. It could be muslims (2:10:11) it could be anyone and these people were (2:10:14) screamed at and they had death threats and their (2:10:18) Their capital god (2:10:20) Had a capital s in front of it. It’s so why see that’s the thing god (2:10:25) Should not be the proper name (2:10:28) of god (2:10:30) On the dollar bill.We are we are conflating (2:10:33) the (2:10:34) Higher power belief with the turn the pronoun god. I understand but everyone having their god (2:10:42) It shouldn’t be the name of someone then right? I agree. Okay, i’m just asking.I don’t know. I just think that it’s so (2:10:52) I don’t even know the right adjective that (2:10:57) This country is amazing (2:10:59) and amen, we all (2:11:01) Worship different things and that’s great. And I love that.I love the diversity. I you stole my word. I hate you so much (2:11:07) so I love the fact that how diverse that this country is and the colors of the people and the food and the (2:11:15) The opinions and I love that.I love it’s like we are rich (2:11:20) With differences and ideas, yes (2:11:23) I love that. It’s giving me chills talking about I love that about this country is that we are so different in every single way (2:11:31) and it seems like (2:11:33) We’re having a hard time embracing those differences (2:11:37) So don’t be a dick and let the guy (2:11:41) By the way, they never did say the prayer. So and that’s cool.Whatever but (2:11:45) It’s if they want to worship (2:11:50) Darth vader then fucking who cares man if he’s not if if if someone is not infringing upon your rights (2:11:58) Who cares? (2:12:00) What difference does it make that’s the whole point of all this crap (2:12:05) Yeah, that’s all I got. I love it. Well (2:12:10) We’re not done quite yet.Oh, here we go. Oh because they’re behind curtain number three (2:12:15) Well, there is something in the documentary that I really admire. Yes, and we’re gonna (2:12:19) We’re gonna take it and we’re gonna compare it to let the the organization that jesus created the catholic church (2:12:27) There’s a speech of this woman (2:12:30) In the michigan chapter of the of the satanic thing where she talks about killing the president (2:12:34) Okay in her speech.She says something about killing the president. Yeah, which is a direct violation (2:12:40) It is okay is the one free speech thing that you cannot do right yell fire (2:12:44) uh incite violence and (2:12:48) Threaten the I think threatening presence like a treasonous act I think it is. Yeah (2:12:52) What happened what happened to them when they when that happened when that was exposed right away? What happened? (2:12:58) So it was the leader of the detroit chapter female (2:13:02) The female leader the detroit chapter of the satanic temple and said like death to the president or something something about along those lines (2:13:09) It wasn’t I don’t think she it was the president at the time (2:13:13) I don’t think she was like the leader of that chapter.She was a leader of that chapter (2:13:16) she was one of the originals that broke like that started their own chapter because she started getting (2:13:20) She was like an actor that got like and they got very like artistic with it and got very whatever (2:13:25) But they she just got a little carried away. Yeah one speech (2:13:29) Says that (2:13:30) Gone. Yeah, they fucking yank it and they get her the fuck out.Why? (2:13:35) What’s number six about fucking whatever being right? (2:13:38) Uh, is it number six? I think it’s uh, I forget one of the tenants is about a self-accountability or (2:13:44) Or holding yourself accountable or something (2:13:47) I think people are fallibles number six (2:13:50) Okay (2:13:51) If one makes a mistake one should do one’s well (2:13:54) Well, they rectified this mistake because it is a treasonous act. It’s it’s beyond just well treasonous in the eyes of the united states, right? (2:14:01) Well, that’s the thing is they’re living in the united states that calling a death to the president is is illegal (2:14:05) That is a treason. Oh, yeah.Yeah, so her saying that (2:14:08) They had to act within reason and they had to get rid of her because and they had to hold her accountable for that (2:14:14) Get rid of her. They they they pulled the chapter (2:14:16) They ended the chapter. Yes, they ended the chapter ended (2:14:18) It’s just because they understood that the eyes that are on them already and they have to do the right thing (2:14:24) What the fuck did the catholic church do when boys were being diddled? They just threw money at it and hit it (2:14:30) There’s your difference.You got somebody that allegedly follows satan being more christ-like (2:14:37) Than the fucking organization that christ himself fucking started (2:14:43) Do you remember the the part in the documentary when they they were trying to do a satanic mass (2:14:49) in boston (2:14:51) No, I do. Yeah, and they were they they couldn’t they were gonna do it like at a local college or somewhere (2:14:57) And they there was there was there was protest by 2000 catholics (2:15:01) Like they had their ultra boy outfits on and all the head crosses and shit and they shut them down (2:15:06) So they went a local (2:15:09) Chinese restaurant let them have the mass in their loft above the restaurant (2:15:13) So the guy the one of the guys that was part of the organization said yeah, I really I felt really really (2:15:19) bad that night because of the protests and you know, I just I just I felt emotionally not good and (2:15:26) Because you know things didn’t go the way we wanted it to (2:15:28) And then you know, I didn’t sleep good then I woke up the next morning and thought wait a minute (2:15:33) All those protesters were in boston where they abused all those kids and then I was like, yeah, I feel better now fuck them (2:15:39) Yeah, fuck them. It was so funny, right? But that we said it is that the fucking point we’re talking about here? (2:15:44) Yeah, you’re yeah, regardless of the name of the entity the pronoun name (2:15:50) balthazar (2:15:53) baphomet baphomet (2:15:54) That’s not baphometic 5000.It does sound like that (2:15:57) But regardless of that (2:15:59) They have an incident that is wrong (2:16:03) And they address the incident that is wrong (2:16:08) the largest (2:16:09) I would single single religion, right the largest single sect of a religion (2:16:15) Would be catholicism (2:16:16) Has to be right. I believe it’s still bigger than even islam and whatnot (2:16:19) I have no idea but they have their own city their own fucking code whatever their their own country, right? (2:16:25) Basically vatican city. Yes, it is.Yeah (2:16:28) They make a mistake (2:16:29) mistake (2:16:31) 8462 times and bury it 8461 times or one more one less or one more whatever (2:16:38) And then you sit back and go (2:16:42) Those are the people you’re protesting the the hearts of those people (2:16:46) Are more pure than the words of the religion fighting them. That’s I didn’t I I didn’t think about that at all (2:16:56) You’re welcome. That was not on my agenda (2:16:58) I’m sorry about that.No, you don’t you should not apologize sir. Does that I mean does that hold any water? (2:17:04) Yeah, a big fucking 55 gallon bucket. So the hearts (2:17:08) Of the satan worshipers are bigger than the words of the catholics.That’s sadly. It’s true or strong or whatever (2:17:17) I mean, that’s (2:17:22) Well (2:17:23) Tell us what you think. I mean, do you think? (2:17:27) That we (2:17:28) Do we remove in god we trust off the off the currency do we remove under god my personal opinion? (2:17:33) It’s my opinion.Yes (2:17:35) I have reasons for it and I think it’s just because we should have nothing to do with any said religion (2:17:41) Religion gets us in trouble still have not found an elected official that doesn’t talk about god. And by the way, lindsey fucking robinson (2:17:51) This is my time i’m just gonna do it because it’s october (2:17:55) So it’s about a month before the election (2:17:58) running in legislative district 12 (2:18:01) state senate in arizona (2:18:03) I have offered (2:18:04) For you to come on our show and share your your platform with us. What I did not expect was you to text my best friend (2:18:13) Mr. Woodsy at fucking midnight asking for his fucking vote (2:18:17) And when he asked you to not fucking text him at midnight (2:18:20) You asked him not to curse and blame the fucking courier you blamed (2:18:25) At&t or whoever the fuck you have your cell carrier for delivering the message at the wrong time (2:18:32) Do you know what the fucking carrier would not have done? (2:18:35) They would not have delivered any message had you not put it into the system (2:18:38) So maybe you should have vetted your carrier better and not pass the fucking buck (2:18:41) And the next time you pass the buck if you pass the buck on something this simple (2:18:45) What are you going to do when you try to get in a position of power? (2:18:48) I’m, just saying this is a politician bullshit (2:18:52) And I just lost my shit, man.I’m sorry. Is she gonna get you know, she’s gonna get elected, right? (2:18:56) Yeah, no, actually she might not because it’s been conserved. Well, it’s been conservative for a long time.You looked it up (2:19:01) She has a shot. Yes. It’s been run by a republican for this whole time.Okay, she’s trying to out (2:19:06) That’s a super mormon district, right? (2:19:08) Possibly and it doesn’t matter to me because if the fucking republican guy texted me at midnight (2:19:13) And I fucking called him out on it. Yeah, and he fucking passed the buck. Guess what? (2:19:18) Same shit.Hold on. I’ve got here’s here comes one here. This is what we’re gonna do because i’m sorry, man (2:19:23) Do you want to say this for another time, sir? (2:19:25) I’m, just gonna close it on this if you’re okay with that.Yeah, whatever I get a fucking text from this motherfucker. Oh, here we go (2:19:33) Hey mark (2:19:35) No, that’s not the one (2:19:40) Hi, i’m nra (2:19:42) Pvf volunteer cody texting you to see if prez trump and sen mcsally can count on your vote this november (2:19:49) this nav (2:19:51) reply, yes (2:19:53) Undecided or stop to opt out (2:19:55) We’re talking about freedoms, right? This is america freedom. What do I did? (2:19:59) He just did did cody just fucking tell me to reply.Yes undecided or stop (2:20:04) He did don’t tell me what to fucking do cody. You’re not the boss of me. You’re not the boss of me (2:20:08) This is america (2:20:10) And I replied is fuck off an acceptable reply (2:20:13) So did he respond? No, no one no one responded to that (2:20:16) but (2:20:17) my point (2:20:18) My point is this man (2:20:20) We we are uncovering systems.We you and I are talking like we’re we’re basically saint in this now and that’s a fucking shit (2:20:27) i’m fucked because now someone’s gonna take that like a (2:20:30) Quote, like I said that we’re saint in this (2:20:32) No, yeah, they are when we get big and we get huge. Shut up. We get huge in japan (2:20:37) They’re gonna be like dude.No, uh mark said venezuela huge saint venezuela. We’re plummeting in venezuela. Oh, no (2:20:45) 66 we’re 71 now.Oh shit. I’m so sad by the way just to let to let you know somehow six downloads got us on the (2:20:51) Whatever in apple podcast. I looked at our total to venezuela downloads six (2:20:57) Wow, they’re cranking it.Huh? I they must not have a big podcast influence. Maybe we can even crack in there like with nine (2:21:04) Can we get seven seven seven, uh (2:21:07) So anyway, i’m I I went on a rant but these are things that we’re very passionate about we want justice (2:21:14) Is a the right thing solicited political text messaging legal (2:21:18) I don’t know what the laws are anymore, but there’s petitions (2:21:21) I thought I signed something years ago that said I shouldn’t get any unsolicited anything yet (2:21:26) I’ve got people texting me about a rental property about selling my rental property to them or this or that or the other side (2:21:32) I honestly don’t know (2:21:35) And that was such a great way to end religion (2:21:38) Freedom of religion y’all freedom of texting act. Can I can you read this one more time or do I need to read it? (2:21:44) Amendment number one congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (2:21:50) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (2:21:57) Don’t put one in the front (2:22:00) And don’t not acknowledge any of them.I don’t know (2:22:04) Sound like a shitty way to say sound like you’re gonna get a little porny there for a second the o in out and out (2:22:10) All right, sir. Let’s close it out. You you shut it down my friend.Well done, dude (2:22:14) That’s it. Yep, that was way too easy. That’s all right guys.Thank you so much for listening (2:22:18) If you have if you haven’t shut off already (2:22:21) um (2:22:21) Please subscribe. Please follow us. Please leave comments leave comments (2:22:26) We have a thousand downloads of a particular podcast and have a total of 25 ratings on apple (2:22:33) Please help us out.Please (2:22:35) We love you all the five stars. 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