Chris and Mark discuss consanguineous marriages and the heightened risks of their children having rare genetic disorders, as well as other challenges. Below is the YouTube video we referenced, as well as links to some articles that led us to go down the rabbit hole on this topic.
Is it wrong to marry your cousin? (Genetic Disorder Documentary) | Only Human: https://youtu.be/kyNP3s5mxI8
Articles: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4674136/The-British-Pakistani-women-marrying-COUSINS.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11723308/First-cousin-marriages-in-Pakistani-communities-leading-to-appalling-disabilities-among-children.html
Intro Music: “Blue Scorpion” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
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Outro Music: “Neolith” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
Transcript:
(0:20) Hey, everybody. (0:21) Hello. (0:22) Hello, sir.(0:23) Good afternoon, good evening, good morning, good night. (0:25) It’s been almost 24 hours since I’ve seen you. (0:28) 23.6. (0:29) 23.6. (0:30) Yeah, we’re crazy.(0:31) Happy. (0:32) Out of control, we can’t be stopped. (0:33) Yeah.(0:34) You can’t stop us, you can only hope to contain us. (0:36) You can only hope to contain us. (0:37) Correct.(0:38) And not many things can contain this, for sure. (0:42) Okay. (0:43) Clothing.(0:44) That’s it. (0:44) It’s a challenge. (0:45) Maybe it will be- (0:46) Stretchy clothing, for sure.(0:48) Sweatpants. (0:50) So, today is a Knocked Conscious, I believe. (0:53) Yes, sir.(0:54) And we’re going to talk about a really weird topic that I came across an article that I (0:59) shared with you. (1:00) Yes, sir. (1:00) Do you mind sharing with me what we’re talking about today? (1:02) I would love to.(1:06) First cousin marriages. (1:08) No, ladies and gentlemen, that is not a joke. (1:11) Mr. Mark has been mentioning this to me probably three or four times now over the past three (1:18) months or so that this is something that he has been wanting to discuss.(1:21) So, I finally broke down and I read some research. (1:26) I did some research. (1:26) I read some research.(1:27) I did some research, which he had already done, and I made some notes, and he made excessively (1:34) more notes than I did, which is shocking. (1:36) The Virgo Committee would be so impressed. (1:40) They should be.(1:41) And he’s not a Virgo, so I’m like, whoa. (1:43) I am chaos, man. (1:44) He’s an Honorary Virgo Project Manager of the Day Award.(1:47) I’ll take it. (1:48) And because of that, he was presented with the Special Agent Orange Trophy, which we will (1:54) post on the Twitter. (1:55) The Twittergram.(1:56) The Tweeter. (1:57) The Twittergram, the Insta-er. (1:59) So, let me ask you this, Jack Mark.(2:01) Yes. (2:01) Why was this subject so interesting to you? (2:07) Why did you want to do this for so long? (2:08) Two things. (2:10) Yes.(2:11) You and I, we talk much about spirituality and faith and all this other stuff. (2:17) We do know something is there, right? (2:20) Like, we don’t. (2:21) There’s things we can’t explain yet.(2:23) Regardless of whatever we can’t explain, we’ll attribute to spirituality. (2:29) And faith in a higher power or whatever, totally cool. (2:34) No problem.(2:35) No issue with that. (2:36) Because it’s my opinion that every faith or everybody’s relationship with a higher power (2:42) is a direct relationship with that power. (2:44) It’s my opinion that we should not go through an intermediary, such as a church or a religious (2:49) organization.(2:50) Because once men touch it, it gets ruined, in my opinion. (2:55) So, what happened was, it happens to be, we’ll talk about it, it’s generally in the Muslim (3:01) faith, and I’ll refer to this specific verse in the Quran. (3:05) I don’t want to disrespect anyone’s faith and personal beliefs.(3:09) It’s not what I’m here for. (3:10) But I want to shine light on this. (3:13) And what it was was, I saw this article.(3:16) And it stated that Pakistani child births accounted for 3% of the total births in the (3:24) United Kingdom. (3:26) Yet they accounted for 30% of the child birth defects. (3:31) So, 3% of the births were responsible for 30% of the total birth defects in the country.(3:41) And that’s England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. (3:47) That would be, yes, in the United Kingdom. (3:48) Just so we can clarify.(3:49) From what we’re showing. (3:50) And what I’ll do is, I’ll probably post this, the one article, or just the link to the (3:54) one article that it was. (3:55) Okay.(3:56) But we’ve referenced several articles, several documentaries, etc. (4:00) Yes. (4:01) So, I would like to really quickly jump into.(4:05) Before we proceed. (4:06) Yes. (4:06) I would like to reiterate one of your points.(4:09) I would like to make this very clear from my perspective. (4:14) I’m not attacking anyone’s religion or anyone’s faith. (4:20) Anyone can believe whatever you want.(4:22) And I’ve said in a previous podcast, if you want to worship Darth Vader, that’s cool. (4:27) That’s great. (4:28) What I want to present are the facts.(4:31) The statistical references of percentages of this and the statistics of that. (4:39) Regardless of a religion, there’s an issue going on that’s affecting children and families (4:47) and the costs of medical resources in a country that are astronomical, that are shocking. (4:55) And that has, in my mind, nothing to do with your faith.(5:00) The faith could be, hey, I’m from the church of Darth Vader. (5:03) It has, in my mind, nothing to do with that. (5:06) It has to do with the practice of marrying a first cousin and the genetic outcome of (5:15) those children, regardless of faith.(5:18) So, again, I do not want it to be the attack of the faith, of the religion, from me specifically. (5:29) Mexie Chris. (5:30) Nor do I. (5:31) Okay.(5:32) As long as that’s very clear to all the folks listening. (5:35) To piggyback on that, I would like to state that it was a 40-minute documentary or 47-minute, (5:42) something like that. (5:43) Yes.(5:43) It took me like four hours to watch it because, to your point, I made as many meticulous notes (5:49) from my understanding as I could because we are not here to shit on anyone’s belief or anything. (5:57) We are here to shine the light on facts and challenges that are outcome of this specific (6:05) topic happens to be first cousins procreating. (6:10) Yes, sir.(6:11) Because, in my opinion, it’s child abuse. (6:15) I mean, I’ve seen, we’ll talk about it, obviously, but it just, that’s what it is. (6:20) And we’ve talked about the Catholic Church with Tyson and we’ve talked about Michael (6:25) Jackson and we’ve looked at both sides of that.(6:28) We’re looking at this, right? (6:29) We just want to look on the side of justice or whatever we want to call it, but we just (6:36) want to look at it at its face. (6:38) We do not want, we want the third side of the story. (6:42) Well, let’s look at the truth.(6:44) Right. (6:44) Let’s try to be objective about it. (6:46) Right.(6:46) We want the third side of the story, right? (6:48) You’ve got three sides of every story. (6:50) You’ve got their side, our side, and the middle, right? (6:52) Yeah. (6:53) The truth lies in that middle.(6:54) That’s what we’re looking for, to your point. (6:56) Of course. (6:56) Of course.(6:57) So. (6:58) Where would you like to begin? (6:59) I’d like to read just really quickly the verse in the Koran. (7:04) Got it? (7:05) References.(7:05) So I’m going to start with that because I just had to look that up because from my understanding, (7:10) from the way the documentary was talking about, it was a Muslim faith thing. (7:13) It almost encourages first cousin relationships and things like that. (7:17) And that is a religious, you know, tenant almost.(7:21) So it’s, that’s where it starts. (7:23) Right. (7:24) So the, it’s, chapter four, verse 23 of the Koran, and it reads, it basically says (7:32) prohibited to you for marriage are.(7:34) And it lists a bunch of people, mothers, daughters, sisters, fathers, sisters. (7:41) And it goes through a list. (7:42) The one thing that it does omit.(7:45) And this is the, where it comes down to it is the first cousin. (7:50) It does not omit like the father’s brother’s daughter, which is your first cousin. (7:55) It does not omit your father’s sister’s son, father’s sister’s daughter, mother’s brother’s son, (8:00) you know, et cetera.(8:01) Right. (8:01) There’s like eight of them. (8:02) Right.(8:02) Which, you know, ways you can go. (8:04) It does not prohibit that at all. (8:06) And I did not go any deeper than just finding that first verse because that was the one that everyone referenced.(8:13) Okay. (8:13) But there are understandings that it also encourages it as Muhammad, the prophet, married, I think his father’s sister, actually. (8:23) His father’s sister? (8:24) Yeah, which is even a prohibited one.(8:26) It’s very interesting. (8:27) That’s what it stated. (8:28) Okay.(8:29) I didn’t know that. (8:29) I’m not, you know, I, once again, please, I’m, I don’t want to miss, say something, but I just, yes. (8:42) From what I saw, they interviewed the Iman, is that correct? (8:46) Like a, which is a priest or a rabbi.(8:50) And he said that marrying your first cousin is not encouraged or discouraged. (8:56) It’s, it just, it’s allowed, but it’s not one way or the other. (9:02) Yeah.(9:02) It’s, and it’s up to those, those, the people getting married. (9:05) If you want to marry your first cousin, okay. (9:07) If you don’t, that’s okay too.(9:09) Right. (9:09) That’s the way that it was from, from a Pakistani in the UK. (9:13) That was what he stated, that it’s okay, but that it’s okay if you don’t.(9:18) Right. (9:18) But it does show in the specific, they, I believe they specifically mentioned Pakistan and Bangladesh. (9:24) Correct, sir.(9:24) And some Muslim East African and Western or Middle East as well. (9:31) Obviously in that region, to that point. (9:35) So I’m going to read this really quickly.(9:36) Prophet Muhammad himself married cousins as he did with Zainab bint Jash, who was not only the daughter of Umayya, Umayma. (9:49) Umayma, I apologize. (9:50) Umayya bint Abd al-Mutaflip, one of his father’s sisters.(9:57) So that’s Zainab. (9:58) I apologize for the butchering of the words. (10:00) I am not good with reading names and I apologize for that.(10:04) You should hear him say Frank Johnson. (10:05) It’s terrible. (10:06) Yeah.(10:07) It’s not good. (10:09) It’s terrible. (10:10) Hafmri.(10:11) Totally bad. (10:12) Sim-sham-ting-him-fum. (10:14) Correct.(10:15) Yes. (10:16) Hang on, I’ll get Frank for you. (10:17) He’s in the other room.(10:19) All right. (10:21) I’m sim-sham-ting. (10:23) Yes, that’s Frank.(10:25) So that is the verse that everything, or that is the reference that we’re going to go with. (10:31) Just what’s forbidden. (10:32) Now, what’s interesting, I will say this.(10:36) They did other studies about the marriage portion of it. (10:39) The marriage portion, I don’t really have an issue with. (10:43) Right? (10:43) I really don’t have an issue with two people getting married.(10:46) I do have an issue with the potential genetic challenges with children. (10:51) Right? (10:52) So what’s interesting about what I saw was they looked at the divorce rate among, (10:58) like the average divorce rate, and it was like 42%. (11:00) In the UK? (11:02) Yes.(11:02) And then they looked at divorce rate among married cousins. (11:06) It was only 20%. (11:08) That’s interesting.(11:09) And it is, and it makes sense, right? (11:11) The royal family, I mean, Egyptians stayed within their family, right? (11:16) They had some pretty crazy genetic dysfunction by the time they had Tutankhamun and all those other- (11:22) I didn’t know that. (11:23) Yeah, they all inbred. (11:25) I mean, in their own way.(11:26) Did they have genetic defects? (11:29) Yes. (11:29) I wasn’t aware. (11:30) Oh, yes.(11:30) I mean, some died before 20, 15, 13, 8. (11:36) Okay. (11:36) Yeah, and it was crazy. (11:38) It was crazy.(11:39) It’s something to look at. (11:40) Yeah, and I’ll definitely vet that. (11:41) If I’m incorrect, I’ll obviously retract that and talk about it another time.(11:45) Sure, yeah. (11:45) But the royal family is all bloodlines. (11:48) I mean, Meghan Markle was the greatest thing to come to the royal family because it was fresh blood, (11:53) except for it was an American- (11:55) Well, American culture.(11:56) Yeah. (11:57) She was still a duchess of something. (11:59) But yeah, she was- was she outside? (12:01) She became duchess? (12:02) Wasn’t she a commoner? (12:03) That’s why everyone loved her? (12:05) It could be.(12:06) And I could be wrong. (12:07) I don’t know Diana. (12:07) I mean, that was in the 80s, and I just knew everybody loved her because she was such a- she related to the common person.(12:14) Yeah, she was very much a beloved character- a beloved person. (12:19) Yes. (12:20) Yeah, so anyway, let’s get back to this.(12:23) And I apologize for my jumbly flumbly, but- (12:26) So, let me ask you this. (12:27) We’re just trying to be extra sensitive about our- we’re searching for the truth. (12:33) And we’re not here to attack anyone, but it’s something to look at.(12:37) It’s something that’s very dangerous. (12:39) Do you have a flow of this, or can I ask some questions? (12:42) No, go ahead and ask some questions. (12:44) So, of the first cousin marriages- (12:46) Yeah.(12:49) If they do have children, what are the percent chances of the children having a birth defect or a serious disease of some sort? (13:01) It’s like three times the average, but it’s more specifically like this. (13:06) If the first cousins share the same recessive gene, which is the minor gene, right? (13:13) That’s the one- it has a 25% chance of passing on. (13:17) So, it’s a one in four chance if both cousins- the married couple- have the same recessive gene.(13:25) It’s a 25% chance to carry it on to the next- to their child. (13:29) So, there’s a 25% chance that each of their children will have a genetic medical disorder, or a serious- I don’t want to use the word illness, but- (13:42) Oh, it’s- (13:43) I mean, a disease- (13:44) Specifically called genetic- keep going, sir, I’m sorry. (13:49) So, there’s a 25% chance that each child is going to have a serious genetic defect.(13:58) I don’t know the right word. (14:00) Yes, they spoke rare genetic disorders, is the generic term that they used throughout this documentary. (14:05) Now, the documentary, or this piece that we’re talking about, is on YouTube, right? (14:09) And it’s called, When Cousins Marry, Genetic Disorder Documentary.(14:14) Only Human. (14:15) And that was produced by the BBC? (14:17) I believe it was, yes. (14:19) I believe it was the BBC, if I’m not mistaken.(14:22) It features a woman named Tazeem Ahmad. (14:27) And she was talking about- (14:30) She was like the host. (14:31) Yeah, she’s talking, and she started with talking about her grandparents.(14:36) Of her grandparents’ children, five daughters of first cousins died in childhood, and three sons were born deaf. (14:44) So, her grandparents were first cousins? (14:47) That’s correct. (14:48) Okay, and can you repeat that again, please? (14:49) Yes, five daughters of the first cousins died in childhood, and three sons were born deaf.(14:57) Deaf. (14:58) Deaf, yeah. (14:59) So, what this is though, so it’s a percentage of a percentage.(15:02) Now, if they both have the recessive gene, it’s 25%. (15:07) The percent that they have that recessive gene, that they have the same recessive gene, is a 1 in 8 chance. (15:13) Because remember, it’s grandparents, so it goes up a level, so it doubles.(15:17) So it goes from 1 in 4 to 1 in 8. (15:18) Yeah. (15:19) So they have a 12.5% chance that they share it, and if they do share it, a 25% chance. (15:26) That it’s going to be- (15:27) That they’ll have rare genetic disorders.(15:29) And then in addition to that, isn’t there a chance that- (15:33) Let’s say that, okay, they have four kids. (15:36) Mathematically speaking, three of the kids will be perfect. (15:40) Yeah.(15:40) They won’t have the rare genetic disorder because somehow the recessive gene didn’t get passed on from both sides. (15:47) Correct. (15:48) Making it dominant, you know, that dominant.(15:50) But that’s math only. (15:51) That may not be the case. (15:53) Yeah.(15:53) But mathematically, it would be the case. (15:56) That’s mathematically. (15:57) However, it’s possible that one or two or three of those three kids that are perfectly physically healthy may be a carrier.(16:08) Correct? (16:08) Correct. (16:09) They could carry. (16:10) If they could, when they grow up and have kids, they could pass that gene and they don’t even know it.(16:18) Right. Yeah. (16:19) Is that a correct statement? (16:21) It is.(16:21) And basically that’s how recessive genes work. (16:24) Recessive genes don’t generally rear their ugly head until both partners share it and it carries to the next one. (16:31) That’s when it wakes up.(16:33) And that’s why- (16:34) Because we all have recessive genes. (16:36) Right. (16:36) To some extent, from my understanding, we all have like hair color, eye color, you know- (16:42) All that stuff.(16:43) Yeah, there’s dominant and recessive genes all throughout. (16:45) And isn’t that why that people went to get blood tests for so long before they got married? (16:50) Yeah, allegedly. (16:51) I didn’t know that, but allegedly they got blood tests just to see that they didn’t share something.(16:56) They weren’t related. (16:56) Yeah. (16:57) I mean, wasn’t that- (16:58) And that was done until recently, right? (17:02) I mean, I think- (17:04) I don’t know much about that.(17:06) I just heard that that was done. (17:08) I don’t ever remember there being a practice of that, but I was never into weddings, so it wasn’t like I wasn’t- (17:14) A comedian that you don’t like, I will not use his name, said he married a southern girl in Georgia, (17:20) and on the wedding certificate it said, (17:22) are you cousins? (17:24) And he checked no. (17:25) And then they got married.(17:27) Oh, that’s beautiful. (17:29) Apparently, that’s how you have to say that you’re not cousins. (17:35) By a checkmark.(17:36) Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. (17:38) Hey, I’m not married. (17:40) I’m not cousins.(17:40) What are the rules in the Czech Republic regarding cousin marriage? (17:43) We fuck everything. (17:44) Oh, dear Lord. (17:45) God, I did not expect that answer.(17:47) No, I don’t think you did. (17:49) Thank goodness we have a little levity while we get serious, right? (17:51) Holy poop, checkmark. (17:53) So, well, this is exactly what you’re talking about.(17:56) The percentages are one in four. (18:00) Yet, just one of these families had three in six. (18:03) So, we went from 25% to 50%.(18:07) That made me really, really sad. (18:09) That was really hard to watch. (18:11) That is where the child abuse came.(18:12) So, we’re going to talk about that really quickly. (18:15) I’m sorry, child abuse? (18:15) In Bradford, yeah, I’ll talk about it. (18:17) Well, basically, a child wailing in pain that you can’t help, (18:20) that child is being abused just by being born.(18:23) That’s your definition? (18:26) Yes. (18:26) Oh, that’s not? (18:28) No, it’s not. (18:29) It’s not being cared for, but possibly knowingly allowing that ability to happen is dangerous.(18:40) I see your point, but I imagine a lot of people would disagree with your statement. (18:44) I totally understand that. (18:47) But more defenders of that.(18:49) Yeah, there would be a 50-50 of you checkmark you’re crazy or checkmark you’re not. (18:53) But just to clarify, this child that you’re referring to is a 17-year-old who’s blind and is going deaf (19:02) and really has a difficult time speaking and communicating at all. (19:09) And he has this obsession with driving because he’s 17 and he can’t drive.(19:15) He’s blind. (19:16) He will never have a normal life. (19:19) Now, look, and I get that.(19:21) I’m not talking about because he can’t drive, he’s abused. (19:25) No, no, no. (19:25) I’m talking about the cutaways to him lying on the floor constantly moaning.(19:31) Wailing, I understand completely. (19:33) That doesn’t come from a peaceful, calm place. (19:38) Of course.(19:38) He’s in pain all the time. (19:40) Yeah. (19:40) I understand.(19:41) It’s dissonant and it was very moving. (19:44) It hurt to watch. (19:45) I agree.(19:46) And watching the two daughters that are going blind and losing sight daily. (19:51) And deaf, yeah. (19:52) That’s the three of the six.(19:54) Correct. (19:54) Those are the three of the six. (19:55) And they have a seven-year-old.(19:56) And I’m getting worked up just talking about it, man. (20:00) I kind of figured that we would when you wanted to do this. (20:05) But it’s good, though.(20:06) I think it needs to be talked about because I don’t think anyone knows about this (20:09) because it was buried in some magazine, you know, in some newspaper. (20:12) I never, I just came across it by accident. (20:16) So, go ahead.(20:17) I’m sorry. (20:18) No, no, you’re good. (20:19) So, yeah, of the three kids, the two girls are about 11 and 13.(20:23) And then there’s a seven-year-old that’s completely physically without issue. (20:29) And they asked her how, what’s it like to be in a family where you see your (20:33) sisters declining physically every day and just to watch her try to articulate (20:39) how difficult it is to see her siblings suffering was heartbreaking. (20:45) And to double down on the abuse thing, and I’m, it definitely will be tempered.(20:53) It definitely will not be, like, I’m not trying to be like pounding the desk, (20:58) call for their heads. (20:59) I’m not trying to be like that. (21:01) But where I see it as abuse is that seven-year-old has to help care for those (21:07) children that are in pain when this could, that whole thing could have been avoided.(21:13) So, not only are the three children in absolute writhing pain and deteriorating (21:19) daily, but the one healthy girl is burdened with helping care for those (21:28) three children who can’t even help for themselves. (21:29) And she’s like the youngest, the smallest. (21:32) Her life is also completely taken away from her.(21:36) I don’t want to say ruined. (21:37) But it’s taken away from her. (21:38) Her childhood is definitely not there.(21:41) Correct. (21:41) And don’t get me wrong, I understand. (21:43) I’m not trying to be bleeding heart and say, oh, woe is us.(21:46) But things do happen. (21:48) Like, shit does happen. (21:50) Yeah.(21:50) But this doesn’t seem like shit that happens. (21:53) This seems like shit that happened that could have been avoided. (21:57) That’s just my opinion of it.(22:00) But I mean, what are your thoughts on that specific topic? (22:06) I agree with you that it’s, I didn’t think about it until just now. (22:12) But if you have a 17-year-old, they have six kids. (22:15) And I only know the ages of four.(22:17) So, if you have a 17-year-old and he’s mentally and physically challenged, (22:24) then you have a 13-year-old and you have a 10-year-old and they’re going (22:27) through the same things. (22:32) I’m trying to articulate my response to your question. (22:35) So, you have a 17-year-old.(22:38) He’s 10 when your 7-year-old is born. (22:41) So, you as parents already know that your 10-year-old son is not okay (22:47) physically and mentally. (22:49) He’s having serious challenges.(22:51) You’ve already been to the doctors hundreds of times. (22:56) But yet, you continue to have children. (22:58) So, do you, I question, I question everything.(23:05) And that’s not my place to do because I’m not a parent and I don’t live in the UK. (23:11) So, I have no right to do that. (23:13) But I try to find the logic and I struggle to find that.(23:20) I don’t even know if I answered your question. (23:23) We have the right to question for humanity. (23:28) This is not just a UK issue.(23:30) It just happens to be really large in the UK. (23:32) Prevalent, right. (23:33) Yeah, yeah, yeah.(23:34) First of all, I’d like to just say that. (23:37) But secondly, you said something about this. (23:45) So, I want to let you know that the possibility of people not knowing (23:53) that first cousin children can have these things might still exist, right.(23:59) There might be a quote unquote ignorance. (24:01) And I don’t mean ignorance as in they’re deliberately ignoring it. (24:06) But they just aren’t informed.(24:07) Well, most people know, hey, I’m not supposed to marry my first cousin. (24:13) But maybe they just don’t know why they shouldn’t. (24:16) Right.(24:17) And it’s because of birth defects. (24:20) Yeah. (24:21) That could be just like don’t eat shellfish.(24:23) Don’t eat cheese with meat, right. (24:24) Right, if the cheese is green, don’t eat it. (24:26) Is that basically, that’s not a good analogy.(24:28) No, but like don’t eat shellfish, right. (24:30) That’s a whole, you know, part of the kosher eating lifestyle (24:32) is a traditional thing to help protect you. (24:34) I didn’t know that.(24:35) Yeah, the tradition was to save your life. (24:37) You’re in the fucking desert. (24:38) You’re going to eat shellfish that’s been out for an hour or two (24:41) without refrigeration back in the day.(24:43) You’re going to fucking die. (24:45) I didn’t know, I didn’t understand that. (24:46) So they ban shellfish, no cheese and meat combined.(24:51) The whole kosher lifestyle is based on, (24:54) it was really designed to save your life. (24:56) It was a health thing. (24:57) A lot of things in certain religious texts have value (25:03) in a historical sense possibly (25:07) or in a Aesop’s Fable kind of way.(25:10) Yeah. (25:11) In the story of Job for example or, you know, (25:14) like in this case it would be to protect you, right? (25:16) Survival. (25:17) To help you, right, to help you live.(25:20) But to be clear, I don’t know how new the generation is (25:26) that they know that they, (25:27) because right now they have genetic evidence (25:30) that it is like this. (25:31) I mean, they’ve got the numbers down now. (25:33) When did they discover that? (25:35) I don’t know the year that they’re like, (25:37) okay, it’s 12.5% from the grandparents, (25:40) 25% of both of you have the recessive gene.(25:43) You know what I mean? (25:43) I don’t know when they ever did all those numbers. (25:46) Yeah, but yet it’s still. (25:48) I understand now still, (25:50) but I’m trying to bifurcate or separate (25:53) I understand.(25:54) the people who unknowingly did this (25:57) because it was their tradition, right, (26:01) and had defects and didn’t really understand. (26:04) And the newer generation that now we’re talking about (26:07) that’s continuing this. (26:09) The deniers.(26:10) It’s like the anti-vaxxers, the anti-maskers. (26:13) You know what I mean? (26:15) Same thing, right? (26:16) No, I don’t equate those at all. (26:20) Well, the anti-vaxxers, they say, (26:22) oh, don’t vaccinate because the vaccines kill your kid, right? (26:25) Well, these people are saying (26:27) first cousin children don’t have defects.(26:29) Okay, so let’s go back to the family of six. (26:31) Yes. (26:33) So there’s a 17-year-old and a 13-year-old (26:35) that are both having issues.(26:38) Two of the six. (26:40) At a certain point, I would go, (26:42) hey, honey, maybe we shouldn’t have any more kids. (26:46) Regardless of what it is.(26:49) If the husband and wife sit down and have a conversation (26:52) and they don’t even realize that it’s a first cousin issue, (26:56) okay, well, they go, maybe it’s us. (26:59) Maybe it’s the water we’re drinking. (27:00) Maybe it’s the lead paint on the walls (27:01) or whatever it is, who cares? (27:04) But maybe we shouldn’t have any more children (27:08) because we could be damning our own children.(27:12) That’s not the right word, I apologize. (27:15) Cursing, whatever, I don’t care. (27:17) Hurting.(27:18) Do you see my point? (27:19) Affecting. (27:20) Yes. (27:21) To that point, though.(27:22) You’re nailing this comment, go. (27:23) I’m gonna guess that the documentary had an agenda (27:27) that first cousin children are bad, right? (27:30) Because it pointed out pretty much that side of it, right? (27:33) Right, and I’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt. (27:36) So my doubt is this.(27:37) Are the two other healthy children in that family of six (27:42) older than the 17-year-old? (27:43) Yeah, I don’t know. (27:44) Right? (27:45) If they are. (27:46) They could be three, they could be 22.(27:47) Right, if they are, you’re just like, (27:49) oh shit, we just had bad luck two in a row. (27:52) You can’t have bad luck three times in a row. (27:55) If you had two healthy and then had the 17-year-old (27:58) then had the 13-year-old that were not.(28:00) I understand. (28:00) You’re two and two. (28:02) And you don’t think there’s any, look, (28:04) ego plays huge parts in this.(28:06) Your faith plays a huge part. (28:08) You’re encouraging this first cousin stuff anyway. (28:12) So it’s really hard.(28:14) It’s hard to get away from that. (28:17) You and I are different, my friend. (28:19) I understand your point.(28:20) You and I are different. (28:22) I’m not gonna die on that hill, bro. (28:24) But I do get your point.(28:27) Would I look at it through the lens of you? (28:29) Yes. (28:29) I would actually probably do what they’re talking about (28:32) that will get to, that they encourage, (28:35) but it’s still not done. (28:38) So in this documentary, it was what? (28:41) There were two counties or like territories (28:45) in the UK that were mentioned.(28:47) One was Bradford, and in Bradford, (28:50) 75% of Pakistanis married their first cousins. (28:55) 75%. (28:56) And in the other places, Birmingham, (28:59) that’s where there was a lot of the issues as well, (29:01) but both actually.(29:03) Because Birmingham’s a bigger city. (29:04) Yes, both had serious issues, (29:05) because Bradford was worse, I think, (29:07) percentage-wise or per capita. (29:09) But Birmingham, 50% of Pakistanis (29:12) marry their first cousins.(29:14) And they’re 10 times more likely to be born (29:17) with a recessive gene disorder, genetic disorder. (29:20) There it is. (29:21) 10 times more likely.(29:22) So parents told there was a risk but didn’t believe it (29:25) or just said, that’s not what happened. (29:27) We’ve been doing this for generations. (29:29) We’ve been marrying first cousins for generations.(29:32) Recessive gene disorder in addition to, (29:35) we’ve mentioned blind and deaf. (29:37) What else is there? (29:39) Well, it’s basically just a rare genetic disorder (29:42) of some sort, right? (29:44) It could be an autoimmune disorder. (29:45) It could be any kind.(29:46) It might manifest itself in multiple different ways. (29:49) One was the body didn’t absorb proteins, (29:55) so no nutrition got to the brain. (29:57) So that’s where the blindness came (29:58) and that’s where the speech was lost and things like that.(30:01) One was a different genetic disorder. (30:03) So basically they’re using rare genetic disorders (30:06) as a caveat for all of it. (30:09) Wasn’t one that they couldn’t get rid of waste properly? (30:12) Yeah, they couldn’t get rid of waste.(30:13) I had them written down, (30:14) but I didn’t want to butcher them as well. (30:16) There was a liver issue and a kidney issue. (30:19) I actually typed those out and then I deleted them (30:22) because I didn’t want to sound like a moron (30:26) trying to speak them out.(30:27) But one was like mitocopacopala or something. (30:30) Yeah, well, I did put kidney failure on here. (30:33) Yeah.(30:34) And the one had to get a liver replacement, right? (30:36) The kid? (30:37) The one that worked at cash register? (30:39) At a very, very young age. (30:40) Yeah, the one that worked at cash register (30:42) that had Coke bottle thick glasses as well. (30:45) Right? (30:46) Yeah.(30:47) And I try not to do names once again (30:50) because this isn’t about, (30:52) I’m not trying to make this a personal (30:53) bleeding heart story about this family, right? (30:56) I am concerned about the issue as a whole. (31:00) So what we have here, (31:03) so Birmingham was 50% Pakistani. (31:05) Once again, Bradford was 75% (31:08) and 10 times more likely to be born (31:10) with recessive genetic disorder.(31:12) And then this one, this one kills me. (31:15) One in 10 will die in infancy or suffer a chronic disorder. (31:20) 10%? (31:21) 10%.(31:24) That just, that just hurts, man. (31:27) It doesn’t make sense. (31:28) I would really like to know what the rest of the country is.(31:32) Do you remember the doctor? (31:34) Well, do you remember the doctor? (31:36) Well, remember, the rest of the country (31:38) makes up 70%, right? (31:40) Because the Pakistani made up 30% of the defects. (31:44) Right, okay. (31:45) So 70% of the rest of the country, (31:47) I just don’t know what the number is.(31:48) My point is… (31:49) How many have this type of thing? (31:52) Yeah, 10% have a recessive, you said? (31:54) Yeah. (31:55) Well, they’re 10 times more likely (31:56) to have a recessive genetic disorder (31:59) than non-children. (32:01) So 10 times.(32:02) What was the 10% stat you just said? (32:04) One in 10 will die in infancy (32:06) or suffer a chronic disorder. (32:07) Okay, so 10% would die in infancy (32:10) or suffer a… (32:12) No, 10% of the children (32:14) born with a rare genetic disorder. (32:16) Will die.(32:17) Right, so it’s percentage of percentage again, right? (32:20) Never mind, I got you. (32:21) To clarify… (32:22) I misunderstood. (32:23) And I apologize, I was not clear.(32:25) Because it makes it sound like (32:26) one in 10 Pakistani-born children (32:28) will die in infancy. (32:29) That is not what I meant. (32:31) I apologize, that’s on me.(32:34) So, they’re 10 times more likely (32:36) to be born with a recessive genetic disorder. (32:39) Of those, one in 10 will die in infancy (32:43) or suffer a chronic disorder. (32:44) Okay, now I understand.(32:45) Yeah. (32:46) Okay, and then there was a doctor that was on there (32:48) and he said there was a study done (32:49) between 2004 and 2009. (32:52) Genetic disorders in children of, (32:55) it’s consingenious, (32:57) and I learned that for the first time.(32:59) That’s first cousin marriages. (33:00) First cousin marriages. (33:02) Consingenious relationships (33:03) rose from 17 to 21% (33:05) in that five year span.(33:08) And the majority of those, (33:11) most of the first cousin marriages (33:12) are Pakistani, Bangladeshi, (33:14) some Middle Eastern, and East African. (33:18) They did throw Muslim in there in general (33:19) because, once again, the Quran. (33:21) But they were not specific about any other countries.(33:25) Or any other religions. (33:26) Or any other religions, no. (33:28) Or any other practices.(33:30) But they did reference (33:32) the British royalty. (33:34) Yes. (33:35) That had first cousin marriages.(33:37) Yeah. (33:37) To preserve the bloodline. (33:39) So, it was done, (33:41) and that’s the thing, right? (33:42) It was a practice in the UK.(33:46) Now, obviously, they don’t do it anymore (33:47) in the royal family. (33:49) They’re very specific about that. (33:50) Yeah.(33:51) But they did. (33:53) So, I don’t know if you can reverse a precedence, (33:55) but that doesn’t make sense (33:56) because it sounds like we’ve progressed. (33:58) Of course you can reverse a precedence.(33:59) It sounds like we’ve moved forward. (34:00) You know what I mean? (34:01) Yeah, we just stopped. (34:03) I feel like that’s what it is.(34:05) But so many were like deniers, man. (34:07) I mean, it’s like the anti-vaxxers. (34:09) They’re just deniers.(34:11) Climate change deniers (34:12) or any other deniers. (34:14) No, it’s not first cousins. (34:15) What would happen if I was an anti-vaxxer? (34:16) Would we break up? (34:18) I don’t know.(34:18) I don’t know because it wouldn’t affect you (34:20) because you don’t have children to get vaxxed. (34:22) Okay, only if it was a kid of mine. (34:24) Well, yeah.(34:25) I mean, if you stopped people (34:27) from doing it actively. (34:28) Yeah. (34:29) Like the guy who shoots the abortion clinic doctor.(34:32) Yeah. (34:33) I might shoot him with a Nerf gun. (34:36) What? (34:36) Zing.(34:37) Zowie. (34:41) But so there it is. (34:43) So 2008 report, (34:44) one third of rare genetic disorders (34:46) are British Pakistani, (34:48) but they only constitute 1.5% (34:51) of the total population.(34:53) So 33% have rare genetic disorders, (34:58) British Pakistani, (35:00) but they only make up 1.5% (35:02) of the total population. (35:04) That is staggering. (35:06) Incredible.(35:07) Yes, absolutely. (35:08) I mean, if this thing’s not propaganda, (35:11) that is staggering. (35:14) I don’t know what to tell you.(35:15) I mean, that is ridiculous. (35:17) Now, these are questions I have. (35:19) Maybe you can help me workshop this.(35:22) Maybe we should get OJ in here, (35:23) but no, probably not. (35:24) Not yet. (35:27) One of the questions I have (35:32) is evolutionary speaking (35:34) or biologically speaking, (35:36) is it just like, (35:37) is it 10 generations down the road (35:39) where it really rears its ugly head? (35:41) You know, the more it’s done, (35:43) first cousin, first cousin, first cousin.(35:44) Like if it’s in your family tree (35:47) or your family branch, I guess you’d call it, (35:49) or just family stump, (35:51) like what would you call it? (35:52) Because it’s not really branches out. (35:53) Yeah, twig. (35:54) There you go.(35:54) If it’s on your branch, (35:55) if it’s just your twig, right? (35:58) If it’s always first cousin, (36:00) is that like 10th, 20th, 20 generations (36:02) down the road is really where it hits? (36:04) You know what I mean? (36:05) Where the genetics get so similar (36:07) that it really gets out of whack. (36:10) Hence, instead of 25% of their children, (36:13) 50% of them had disorder. (36:14) Yeah, I see what you’re saying.(36:16) So it almost increases it. (36:17) You know what I mean? (36:18) Yes. (36:19) And I think that is part of the genetics.(36:21) I mean, I wish I had any kind of (36:23) genetic understanding of that. (36:26) I have an overall understanding (36:27) that if you stay close and continue, (36:31) those odds go up. (36:33) And I think that’s where this challenge is.(36:35) They know it now. (36:38) So branch out, people. (36:41) Branch out.(36:42) Those children just looked in so much pain. (36:46) I was so moved by watching that. (36:50) And I know that’s what they did for effect.(36:56) Blind pain, liver transplant, (37:00) or kidney transplant, all that stuff. (37:02) Crazy, man. (37:05) Yeah, I mean, to point that out.(37:08) And 70 published British scientific studies link (37:12) cousin marriages led to an increased chance (37:15) of rare genetic disorders, (37:16) serious liver and kidney issues, to your point. (37:18) Yeah. (37:20) British royal family.(37:21) Once again, we spoke about that. (37:23) And 800-year custom. (37:26) Of the British royal family.(37:27) I think it’s an 800-year custom (37:29) for the Pakistani people. (37:30) I think that’s what it was. (37:32) I think that’s what they referenced.(37:33) I might be wrong. (37:35) If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. (37:36) But it’s my opinion that they said (37:38) that first cousin marriages are 800 years, right? (37:41) Because when did Muhammad… (37:44) How old is Muhammad? (37:45) Is he older than Jesus? (37:47) Yeah.(37:47) Is he? (37:48) Oh, he’s older than Jesus. (37:49) I think so. (37:51) I don’t know.(37:51) I don’t know all that stuff. (37:53) I don’t know that. (37:55) I’m gonna feign ignorance.(37:58) But according to this, (37:59) the first cousin marriages is an 800-year-old tradition. (38:02) And I… (38:03) We will leave it at that. (38:04) I thought they implied it among Pakistani people.(38:06) Okay. (38:08) And then they had at least five research papers (38:10) indicate cousin marriages are on the rise (38:12) and have been increasing for the last three decades. (38:15) That was a big… (38:16) When they said that, (38:17) that it’s been increasing for 30 years, (38:22) that seems… (38:22) That’s when I thought… (38:26) In the U.S., (38:29) it was a… (38:30) I’ve been alive for more than three decades, (38:33) so it was a common thing.(38:35) You know you don’t marry your cousin. (38:38) You know this. (38:40) This is a common thing.(38:42) Right. (38:43) But I’m… (38:44) Once again, (38:46) I’m okay if they didn’t know (38:49) that that first cousin children (38:51) had this kind of genetic effect. (38:54) Because really, that’s what it’s about, right? (38:56) Once again, (38:58) marry whoever the fuck you want.(39:01) As long as they can consent to it, right? (39:03) I mean, that’s why… (39:04) Of course. (39:05) That’s why you’re not marrying Fido, right? (39:07) Because the dog can’t consent. (39:09) But you would if you could, (39:10) because you like Team Smushyface.(39:12) Well, yeah, but… (39:14) But you know what I mean. (39:15) That’s weird. (39:17) But it’s consent, right? (39:18) So you and I would never get in the way (39:20) of two people getting married.(39:22) Yeah, we could say that’s a little unique. (39:23) We wouldn’t think of that. (39:25) It’s the children part.(39:26) It’s the genetic disorder part (39:28) that’s the problem. (39:29) Well… (39:30) So if they didn’t know until (39:33) at least one decade ago, (39:35) you know what I mean? (39:36) But to your point, (39:37) that it’s constantly risen… (39:39) That’s the issue. (39:40) It should be on the decline, right? (39:42) Now that this information’s out.(39:44) It should be on the rapid decline. (39:46) Yes. (39:47) I mean, (39:48) I know the Catholic faith fluctuates, right? (39:51) But it hasn’t ended up on… (39:53) There’s points where it goes, (39:55) and it just has a drop-off.(39:57) And boo, you meant down? (39:58) Yeah, down. (39:59) Okay, down. (40:01) Okay, I don’t know.(40:02) The afternoon delight. (40:03) I don’t know. (40:04) Okay.(40:04) But it would make sense that (40:05) whenever you see a case in the news, (40:08) that it would go down. (40:09) That would make sense to me. (40:10) I don’t know that for sure.(40:11) Yeah. (40:12) And, you know, (40:13) we see these kinds of things. (40:15) But to your point, (40:16) that it’s been on the rise (40:18) for the last 30 years (40:21) is a little concerning (40:22) because we do know now (40:24) we have evidence, (40:26) absolute concrete genetic evidence.(40:29) You know, the math works. (40:30) It’s very straightforward on how it works. (40:33) And they can show it to you (40:35) on every scale and model, (40:36) but that you’d still be okay with that, (40:39) that concerns me.(40:41) And it’s specific that it’s Pakistani. (40:44) It’s kind of odd, right? (40:45) Like, (40:46) they haven’t mentioned Afghanistani, (40:50) Iraqi, Iranian. (40:52) Yeah, any other… (40:54) They did mention Bangladesh.(40:55) Yeah, but only to a lesser degree. (40:57) To a lesser degree. (40:58) Much lesser, obviously.(41:00) It was very Pakistani heavy. (41:03) Yes. (41:03) So, was it a hit piece? (41:05) Maybe on the Pakistani as well, (41:06) but if these numbers are correct, (41:09) that’s not a hit piece.(41:10) That is a scary truth (41:12) that we need to rectify. (41:14) You would think so. (41:16) Right? (41:17) So, I don’t know.(41:18) It’s crazy. (41:20) I think there’s twofold. (41:20) One is, (41:25) the couples that are getting married (41:26) and then are having… (41:28) Okay, I don’t care if you get married.(41:29) If you’re procreating, (41:31) you have a 25% chance (41:33) of having a child or children (41:36) that are going to develop (41:40) severe mental and physical issues. (41:43) Yeah. (41:44) And that child is going to have (41:46) a very, very difficult, challenging life.(41:50) And this is a horrible thing to say, (41:53) the financial burden on the country, (41:58) because you’re not going to pay for everything. (42:00) You’re going to have insurance (42:03) or you’re going to have… (42:04) Whatever the insurance of the UK is, (42:07) I’m sure they have some kind of tax, (42:09) a taxpayer type… (42:11) There’s a health care system. (42:12) Health care plan.(42:12) Thank you. (42:13) We’ll talk about that as well. (42:14) Oh, sorry.(42:15) You’re not stepping at all. (42:16) Please, share. (42:17) Hopefully, I didn’t jump the shark.(42:18) Not at all. (42:18) Share your thoughts. (42:19) So, there’s a two-fold argument.(42:22) The first one is, (42:23) the most important one is, (42:25) that child is going to have a rough go. (42:29) And that’s so, so, so horrible. (42:31) If it survives.(42:32) True. (42:33) If it survives infancy, (42:36) like one in ten, I mean, (42:38) if it can live past five. (42:41) Correct.(42:43) And then the family… (42:44) So, three parts. (42:45) The child, the family that’s burdened, (42:48) not only the parents but the siblings, (42:50) and then aunts and uncles that, (42:51) that ship in to take care of the child. (42:54) Time.(42:55) And then, tertiarily, (42:57) the health care system (43:00) that is going to be taxed (43:04) because of the number of doctor visits (43:06) and specialists (43:08) that you’re going to take this child to see (43:10) over the course of that child’s life. (43:12) And if that child lives to be 25 or 30 (43:15) or whatever it is, (43:16) you’re talking millions and millions of dollars. (43:19) Yeah.(43:20) That’s… (43:21) Like, eleventy billion. (43:22) Oh, sure. (43:25) Eleventy billion, Alex? (43:27) Uh… (43:28) Beelore.(43:29) Me. (43:30) Ha, ha, ha, Trebek. (43:31) Yeah, mother Trebek.(43:33) Because Keanu Reeves. (43:34) Eleventy billion? (43:36) So, yes. (43:37) Dollars.(43:37) Go, sorry. (43:38) Pounds. (43:38) Pounds.(43:39) I’m sorry, hashtags. (43:41) Hashtags? (43:42) Number signs. (43:43) Hashtags.(43:43) Pound signs. (43:44) So, yeah. (43:45) It’s a multiple problem.(43:50) It’s not just… (43:51) Yeah. (43:51) I mean… (43:52) It’s like a snowball problem. (43:53) Right, I mean, (43:53) the fact that the health care system (43:56) in the country is going to be taxed (43:58) is obviously the lesser of the problems.(44:00) But it is still an issue (44:01) for the entire country (44:02) because the family is not (44:04) the only one paying for the child’s care. (44:08) Beyond the money, (44:10) the one thing you can’t earn back (44:13) is time. (44:15) And that child, they even said, (44:17) need constant supervision.(44:19) Yeah, and care. (44:20) Every second of someone’s life. (44:23) Yeah.(44:24) I… (44:25) This isn’t… (44:26) Let’s be clear. (44:28) I want to help people in need. (44:30) If there’s someone in need, (44:31) I’m not saying neglect them.(44:32) Of course. (44:33) I just want to be clear. (44:33) I know, but… (44:34) Of course.(44:35) Welcome to this world (44:36) where people love fucking (44:37) just attacking you (44:38) for saying something (44:39) that just makes sense, (44:40) but they find some angle. (44:43) I hate angles. (44:45) Every second of someone else’s life (44:47) is robbed because you (44:52) went in that direction.(44:54) Someone’s life. (44:55) I’m sorry. (44:55) Like to your point, (44:56) uncle, sister, sibling, (44:58) mother, father.(44:58) I’m sorry. (44:59) I didn’t mean to burden you. (45:01) Sure you didn’t, (45:02) but you keep doing it.(45:03) Thanks. (45:04) I mean, and yeah, (45:05) and it’s not the child, obviously. (45:07) Of course not.(45:07) They’re innocent. (45:09) And that’s the other point. (45:10) That’s why I consider that abuse, (45:12) just that that child exists (45:14) in that pain (45:15) when a child shouldn’t have been born like that.(45:20) Or at least, obviously, (45:22) to the normal percentages (45:24) of child defects, right? (45:26) Like things do happen. (45:29) Some children are born with defects. (45:31) It happens.(45:32) Yeah, but if you have a chance… (45:33) But obviously this is so completely (45:34) out of the whack (45:35) of the standard average. (45:37) Correct. (45:38) It’s crazy.(45:38) It’s like 60% of the time (45:41) it happens every time. (45:42) Whoa. (45:42) It’s fucking crazy.(45:43) Sex Panther? (45:44) Yeah. (45:45) Well, I don’t know. (45:47) And to your point, (45:49) why first cousins, right? (45:50) Well, they talked about that too (45:52) in the documentary, right? (45:53) They go along with it (45:54) because family pressure.(45:55) It’s kind of like the dowry thing. (45:56) There’s a lot of… (45:58) They’re not like Indian, (46:00) but there’s a lot of that traditional pushing (46:02) of that family dynamic, right? (46:04) That’s always that family, family, family. (46:06) Only 20% of married cousins get divorced.(46:10) That definitely speaks… (46:12) That’s half the number. (46:13) Yeah. (46:14) The divorce rate’s very low.(46:16) Speaks highly to the whole family dynamic. (46:18) And I understand keeping within the family (46:21) in that way, (46:22) but not children. (46:24) Not children.(46:26) Or there are solutions. (46:28) There are ways around it, right? (46:29) Because they did talk about that a little bit. (46:31) They have this thing.(46:33) What is that thing called? (46:34) The genetic counseling, I think, was part of it. (46:37) Do you remember that? (46:39) So they can test for… (46:41) So basically what they do is (46:42) they go in together (46:43) and they test to see (46:45) if they’re compatible to have a child. (46:48) And they can find an embryo (46:49) and actually implant… (46:51) In vitro, right? (46:52) IBS.(46:53) And implant a healthy embryo. (46:58) Yes. (46:59) Right now, they said it can test (47:00) for only 40% of the recessive genes at the time (47:03) when they did the documentary.(47:05) Yeah. (47:05) But that’s 40% better. (47:07) Right.(47:08) And it’s like an attempt. (47:10) That increases the chances a lot. (47:12) By a lot.(47:12) Yeah. (47:13) It almost halves, (47:15) somewhere between a third and a half. (47:17) Correct, yeah.(47:18) That number of defects. (47:20) That’s… (47:21) Bravo. (47:22) Congratulations.(47:23) Of course. (47:23) And they can also do the counseling (47:25) and say, you know what? (47:26) You guys have this really powerful recessive gene. (47:30) Maybe adoption.(47:31) Maybe some other surrogate (47:34) or something. (47:35) I don’t know. (47:36) Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.(47:36) I don’t know what… (47:38) I can’t speak to the faith (47:39) or the religion (47:40) or the book of the Quran (47:41) and what it prohibits in surrogacy or whatever. (47:47) Yeah, of course. (47:47) I can’t talk to any of that, man.(47:48) I’m sorry. (47:49) Right. (47:49) I’m an idiot.(47:51) I’m a fucking chimp (47:52) who can barely sign his own name. (47:54) Stop it. (47:54) Let’s be honest.(47:56) Type good. (47:57) I type good. (47:59) And stuff.(48:00) But yeah, (48:00) the genetic counseling thing was a great thing. (48:02) But a lot of them (48:03) just don’t even want to do that. (48:05) And it’s like at that point, (48:06) now you’re just extremely negligent.(48:08) And back to my point, (48:09) it’s abuse (48:10) when you have all these knowledges (48:12) of at least addressing it (48:15) or trying to address it. (48:18) But don’t. (48:20) Yep.(48:22) I’ve always said, (48:24) you know, (48:25) success is not in the result (48:27) but in the effort to get the result. (48:31) Right? (48:32) You may not ever climb Mount Everest, (48:35) but if you train and train and try every year (48:37) and you just don’t make it, (48:39) yeah, you might make an inch closer, (48:40) you might make an inch not closer (48:42) to the next time. (48:43) But if you try it (48:44) and you try (48:45) and you don’t give up, (48:47) that’s pretty successful to me.(48:51) I agree. (48:52) It’s the effort. (48:53) Do you want to talk about (48:54) some of the positives (48:55) of the first cousin marriages? (48:59) Of the people (49:01) that they interviewed? (49:05) Yeah, let’s talk about it.(49:06) I mean, I’d like you, (49:07) go take the wheel, sir. (49:11) I’ll get on the jib sail. (49:12) Yes.(49:14) Due east. (49:15) There’s shrimp over there. (49:18) Pivot, pivot.(49:20) Pivot. (49:21) So there’s quite a, (49:22) they interviewed several, (49:25) I don’t know, (49:26) half a dozen married couples (49:27) from youngsters all the way (49:29) to some grandparent type folks. (49:31) Then they were all first cousin married (49:33) and they were saying (49:36) that how much they liked that tradition (49:40) because of the fact that the love, (49:44) they kept using the word love (49:45) and the bond within the family (49:48) and how much they can rely upon each other (49:51) and how they didn’t use the word faithful (49:54) but that’s the perception that I got (49:56) that they can, (49:57) if they married somebody outside the family, (49:59) they didn’t think they could count on them (50:00) if they needed something (50:02) and how much they liked that family community (50:07) where everybody gets together on the weekend (50:09) and has a barbecue.(50:11) That wasn’t the word they used (50:12) but that’s kind of, (50:13) the weekend gatherings (50:15) where all the family is there (50:17) and that wouldn’t have been the same (50:18) if they married outside of that, (50:21) outside of the first cousin family (50:25) and they repeated that several times (50:27) and it was really, (50:31) I would say, (50:32) I mean it was touching (50:33) the way that they portrayed that (50:35) and how much value they put on family (50:39) and how important that is to them (50:41) and it was really cool to see that. (50:44) It was (50:45) and that’s why I wanted to start off (50:47) with the marriage thing, right? (50:48) I wanted to lead off that, (50:50) they get divorced half the amount of time. (50:53) Yeah.(50:53) Just off the bat. (50:54) Less than half. (50:55) Right, that’s astonishing.(50:57) That’s amazing. (50:58) But to your point, (51:00) the family thing, (51:01) the assimilation is so much easier. (51:04) Oh, of course.(51:04) They already share every family friend, (51:07) they share all their already connections (51:10) to your point (51:11) and it just makes it stronger. (51:13) It’s like they poured the concrete, right? (51:16) And then they put the sealant. (51:17) That’s like the sealant was the marriage (51:19) and the concrete was all the family (51:21) and all the other stuff once it’s hard (51:22) and then they seal it up with the marriage (51:23) and boom (51:24) and now it’s like a set life all the time (51:27) and it is true.(51:28) You know, once again, (51:31) the prophet Muhammad married a cousin (51:36) and allegedly a father-sister (51:38) according to this website. (51:39) I will put that website up (51:40) so I can show where it’s at. (51:42) Because once again, (51:43) I am not a slanderous person.(51:45) I’m not here to lie or make anything up. (51:47) I’m here to be as honest as we can be. (51:49) I think a minute and a half ago (51:51) when you said I’m an idiot, (51:53) you need to take that sound clip (51:54) and put it on the board.(51:55) I’m a chimp that can barely sign his own name? (51:58) No, you said I am an idiot. (52:01) I am an idiot. (52:03) And then you just play that (52:04) and then you play the dive horn.(52:05) That’s fantastic. (52:06) Oh man. (52:10) So, oh yeah, go ahead.(52:11) To piggyback off that, (52:12) I think there’s, (52:13) I was watching the documentary (52:14) and I made the note. (52:16) Okay, there’s, (52:18) and they interviewed all those people (52:20) and to see that the older lady (52:21) and she’s probably pushing 70 (52:23) and she was so lovely (52:24) and you could just see her, (52:26) you know, (52:27) I could just picture her in the backyard (52:28) with all of her grandkids (52:30) just having the greatest time (52:33) and then I thought to myself, (52:35) well, (52:37) did she, (52:38) when she was 20 or 14 (52:40) or whatever age she got married, (52:41) I don’t know, (52:43) did she really want to marry this guy? (52:46) Did she even, (52:47) was it an arranged marriage? (52:49) Did she even know her, (52:51) it was her cousin, (52:52) did she live in Pakistan (52:55) and he lived in the UK (52:55) or vice versa? (52:57) Was it arranged by the parents, (52:58) the grandparents? (52:59) You know, I don’t know. (53:00) These are all questions (53:00) that popped in my head.(53:01) So was it, (53:03) were they young lovers? (53:05) You know, (53:06) hey, I’m 50, (53:07) I am 16 going on 70. (53:09) Was it like that? (53:10) Was it, (53:11) or was it, (53:11) was it young love? (53:13) Or was it, (53:14) oh, you know what? (53:15) I’m going to get married (53:16) because it’s tradition (53:17) and I’ll learn to love him. (53:20) What’s the, (53:21) those are, (53:22) those cousin marriages, (53:24) where do, (53:25) where do they fall? (53:26) Are they, (53:28) what’s the range? (53:29) Are they arranged? (53:30) Are they forced? (53:31) Are they, (53:32) oh, I’ve always loved him.(53:34) I’ve always loved her. (53:35) Where, (53:36) and I don’t think (53:37) we’re ever going to know that, (53:39) but those are the things (53:40) and then once those, (53:42) all those things popped in my head (53:44) and then they interviewed a woman (53:46) who said, (53:47) I don’t remember what she said (53:49) and I apologize (53:50) if I’m jumping ahead. (53:52) Not at all.(53:53) She said, (53:54) she used the word forced. (53:56) Yes. (53:57) And she, (53:58) Yeah, she left.(54:00) She left or she never, (54:02) she never went on to the altar. (54:03) She ended up not marrying him, (54:05) right? (54:06) She felt forced (54:07) and then she backed out. (54:08) She used the word emotional blackmail.(54:09) Oh, yes, (54:10) I have that written down. (54:11) And her, (54:11) her, (54:12) her fiance’s family (54:16) went on a hunger strike (54:17) because she refused to marry him. (54:20) And then I don’t remember (54:21) what happened after that.(54:23) And she, (54:23) she said when they went (54:24) on the hunger strike, (54:25) she used the word (54:26) they were emotionally (54:27) blackmailing me. (54:28) Yeah, (54:28) that term was used (54:30) a few times. (54:32) It was a couple times.(54:33) That woman (54:34) and there was another guy (54:35) said it before that (54:37) and I was like, (54:38) oh, (54:38) that’s an interesting term (54:39) and then they use it again (54:39) and I thought, (54:40) oh, (54:41) is that a, (54:41) once again, (54:42) I’m trying to be, (54:43) I’m trying to be careful. (54:44) Correct. (54:44) Once again, (54:44) we, (54:45) you and I are, (54:46) do not have an agenda here.(54:48) We don’t know. (54:48) We do not have an agenda, (54:49) first of all. (54:50) We are coming into this (54:51) seeing these statistics (54:52) and being alarmed by them.(54:54) Yeah. (54:55) We are not going, (54:57) this X thing is bad. (54:58) Right.(54:59) We’re not doing that. (55:00) How many of the marriages (55:01) were, (55:02) I truly love this man, (55:04) I truly love this woman, (55:05) I can’t wait to marry them. (55:07) Or, (55:07) and how many are, (55:08) I think a number (55:09) and that’s the thing is, (55:10) remember, (55:11) respectively, (55:11) 50 and 75% (55:13) of Pakistani (55:14) cousins are married.(55:17) of, (55:18) our first cousin, (55:19) 50% marriages (55:21) of Pakistan (55:22) are 50 and 75%. (55:23) That speaks to a culture. (55:25) So that almost speaks to me to a, (55:27) I don’t, (55:28) I hate to use the term grooming (55:29) because it’s used in child sex abuse.(55:32) Right? (55:33) What are they, (55:34) what are they expected? (55:35) Right, (55:35) they’re growing up. (55:36) Are they expected to marry their cousin? (55:37) 800 years ago, (55:38) the first cousins got married. (55:40) Right.(55:40) And then they made their first cousins get married. (55:42) Yeah. (55:42) And then they made them.(55:43) And now it’s, (55:44) well yeah, (55:44) you two are, (55:45) you two took baths together. (55:47) Or whatever, (55:48) I don’t know, (55:48) I’m just, (55:49) I’m just saying. (55:50) I know that sounds just odd.(55:51) But man, (55:52) it’s not our culture. (55:53) The problem isn’t that. (55:55) I, (55:55) I would never tell you who to love man.(55:57) Right. (55:58) Searcy and fucking what’s his face? (56:00) Jamie, (56:01) the Lannisters. (56:02) Oh, (56:02) I was like what? (56:03) The Lannisters (56:04) truly loved each other man.(56:06) They did? (56:07) Jamie did everything for that bitch. (56:10) I only saw through season three. (56:13) So.(56:13) But, (56:13) I mean he just declared, (56:15) like he just, (56:16) he declared his undying devotion to her. (56:20) He loved her. (56:21) Who’s his sister? (56:22) Okay.(56:22) right. (56:23) That’s, (56:23) okay. (56:24) What? (56:25) Spoiler alert.(56:26) That’s fine. (56:27) They love each other. (56:28) I’m, (56:29) once again, (56:30) the love isn’t the problem.(56:31) Even, (56:33) expressing the love isn’t a problem to me. (56:37) Having a child with that person (56:39) is a problem to me. (56:40) Yeah, (56:40) and Joffrey was a dick.(56:42) There, (56:42) you, (56:43) those kids were not right. (56:46) Those kids weren’t right brother. (56:48) But, (56:49) but you know what I’m saying when I say that right? (56:51) It’s like, (56:52) it’s, (56:52) it’s, (56:53) at all, (56:54) we’re, (56:54) and that’s the problem.(56:55) Like, (56:56) we’re talking, (56:56) we’ll get to it, (56:57) but do you outlaw first cousin marriages? (57:00) Like. (57:01) Well. (57:01) You know what I mean? (57:02) Well that’s.(57:03) And I think we’re going to jump that. (57:05) But I, (57:05) I think, (57:06) I think we need to, (57:07) to wrap it up, (57:08) put a bow on it, (57:09) whatever. (57:10) About the emotional.(57:10) How many people. (57:11) Blackmail or. (57:12) No, (57:12) but how, (57:12) of these marriages, (57:13) let’s say there’s a thousand first cousin marriages (57:16) last year in the UK.(57:17) How many were, (57:19) truly loved that person (57:20) and how many were like, (57:22) God, (57:22) I don’t really like this dude. (57:25) You, (57:25) you know. (57:26) And they did it.(57:26) I think you can ask that about (57:27) almost every single relationship. (57:30) Oh fucking Christ. (57:30) Okay.(57:31) No shit. (57:31) I mean let’s be honest. (57:32) Can’t you say that about, (57:33) oh my God, (57:34) my mom and dad wanted us, (57:35) our families to get together, (57:36) with a dowry or this kind of shit, (57:38) that kind of shit.(57:39) We won’t ever get that number. (57:40) I mean can we speculate? (57:42) I would guess, (57:43) if 50 to 75 percent, (57:46) do it culturally, (57:47) in a location. (57:49) Right.(57:51) That, (57:53) however it happens, (57:55) it’s like a natural, (57:57) part of their whole, (57:59) existence from childhood. (58:00) And is there going to be a backlash? (58:03) Not, (58:04) not just because of, (58:05) this data, (58:06) or data, (58:08) but because of the, (58:10) Caribbean or Caribbean? (58:10) Both of them. (58:11) All the pirates.(58:12) Both of them. (58:12) Both of the pirates. (58:14) Or the island.(58:15) Yes. (58:16) So, (58:17) because of the, (58:18) day and age that we are now, (58:20) and technology, (58:22) and the world is smaller, (58:23) and social media, (58:23) and blah, blah, blah. (58:24) Are these, (58:25) are these young people, (58:26) going to be saying, (58:27) yeah, (58:28) I’m not marrying that bitch.(58:30) I don’t give a fuck. (58:31) You can fuck off. (58:32) Yeah.(58:32) That, (58:33) the woman did. (58:34) She ran. (58:35) Right.(58:35) But, (58:35) is that. (58:36) It’s rare. (58:37) Right.(58:38) Is that. (58:38) Is increasing. (58:39) Yes.(58:40) Is that going to increase because of. (58:41) I will get, (58:42) I. (58:42) I guarantee it. (58:44) I, (58:44) I apologize.(58:45) Please finish this, (58:46) please finish your question. (58:47) No, that’s it. (58:47) Because I, (58:47) I stepped on you.(58:49) No, no. (58:49) And I, (58:49) I need to be put in the corner, (58:50) put my nose in the corner, (58:51) and put the hat on, (58:52) for time out for a second. (58:53) Okay.(58:53) Please finish your entire question, (58:54) sir. (58:55) Is that going to increase? (58:56) Is the number of, (58:58) of young people, (58:59) that are, (59:02) supposed to marry their first cousin, (59:04) that are going to, (59:05) are going to say no, (59:06) is that number going to increase, (59:08) in the coming years? (59:10) I would love to say no, (59:12) but we just, (59:13) that statistic in this, (59:14) if it’s propaganda, (59:15) it’s propaganda. (59:16) But if it’s true, (59:17) it’s increased, (59:18) over the last 30 years.(59:20) Right. (59:21) So it hasn’t. (59:23) Should it? (59:24) Yes.(59:24) Because this thing was, (59:25) five years ago, (59:26) six, (59:26) was it 2014, (59:27) or I don’t even know, (59:28) when the documentary was. (59:29) Let’s just say, (59:29) five to eight. (59:30) Yeah.(59:30) Say five years ago, (59:31) just do a nice five, (59:32) even, (59:33) even odd number. (59:34) Yeah. (59:37) Yeah, (59:38) that’s crazy, (59:39) right? (59:40) But here it is.(59:41) An, (59:42) an average children’s hospital, (59:45) saw 20 to 30 different, (59:47) recessive genetic disorders, (59:48) over a decade. (59:50) But in Bradford, (59:51) one single hospital alone, (59:53) saw 165. (59:57) One single hospital.(59:58) So it’s eight times, (1:00:01) eight times. (1:00:04) There’s your 10 times. (1:00:05) Yeah, yeah, yeah.(1:00:05) But it’s eight times in Bradford, (1:00:07) because only 75% of them, (1:00:08) remember it’s Bradford. (1:00:10) Only 75% of Pakistani, (1:00:12) and then. (1:00:12) Yes.(1:00:13) It’s 10 times of that number. (1:00:14) Yeah. (1:00:15) It sounds like it’s right in line with that too, (1:00:16) right? (1:00:17) I mean, (1:00:17) it’s almost, (1:00:18) these numbers are not lining.(1:00:19) They line up. (1:00:20) They all fucking line up. (1:00:21) Yeah.(1:00:22) You know, (1:00:23) and not trying to put a judgment on it, (1:00:25) but I don’t know if that’s the best thing. (1:00:28) I, (1:00:28) can you say it’s abuse without being a judgy about it? (1:00:31) Like a child in pain that will never, (1:00:34) ever feel calm or the lack of pain is in constant abuse under attack. (1:00:44) I don’t know what else to call it.(1:00:51) Neglect, (1:00:53) but they’re caring for it. (1:00:54) They should have never, (1:00:56) like it should never happen. (1:00:57) Negligence because you, (1:00:58) because you got pregnant, (1:01:01) but they wanted, (1:01:02) it’s not, (1:01:02) they got pregnant.(1:01:03) They wanted pregnancy. (1:01:04) Like it’s, (1:01:05) it’s, (1:01:05) they know it. (1:01:06) You know, (1:01:06) there’s a, (1:01:07) there’s an old, (1:01:08) there’s a quote that says ignorance or I’m sorry, (1:01:12) stupidity is the deliberate cultivation of ignorance.(1:01:17) What that means is, (1:01:19) and I hope I’m understanding it correctly because I use that phrase a lot more (1:01:23) than I probably should now because I don’t know what it means, (1:01:25) but what it means is if you, (1:01:28) you know, (1:01:29) if you turn your head, (1:01:29) if you do the ostrich syndrome, (1:01:31) you stick your head in the sand and ignore this, (1:01:33) right? (1:01:34) That’s how a culture gets dumb. (1:01:36) That’s how stupidity happens because you’re deliberately being ignorant to the (1:01:40) facts, (1:01:40) like deliberate cultivation of ignorance, (1:01:42) right? (1:01:43) You’re actually turning your head very similar. (1:01:46) Like when we talk about other religious groups like the Catholic church that (1:01:49) have tenants, (1:01:50) right? (1:01:50) You turn your head to the truth of what they did because you have such a, (1:01:56) because you’re blind.(1:01:57) Well, (1:01:57) you’re, (1:01:58) you’re, (1:01:58) but you’re making yourself blind. (1:01:59) It’s like a, (1:01:59) because you’re so locked into that because you’re blindly following, (1:02:03) right? (1:02:03) You’re locked into that following that tenant, (1:02:06) that belief system, (1:02:07) whatever that system is. (1:02:09) Like we talk, (1:02:10) we’re in this time.(1:02:11) I see your point. (1:02:12) I got you. (1:02:12) We’re in this time of COVID, (1:02:14) right? (1:02:15) COVID.(1:02:16) All people are talking about is burning every system down, (1:02:20) right? (1:02:22) And the truth is every system does eventually get corrupt. (1:02:26) It’s of course, (1:02:27) entertainment system has been corrupt. (1:02:29) The government system, (1:02:30) the private system, (1:02:32) the, (1:02:33) all systems have been corrupted at some point and get corrupt.(1:02:37) And that’s why reform is necessary, (1:02:39) right? (1:02:39) That’s why we need to change things. (1:02:41) So turning your head over and over again to the facts that if you have a child (1:02:46) with your first cousin and share that recessive gene, (1:02:50) you have a one in four chance of giving that to your child. (1:02:53) And what those consequences are, (1:02:55) are death, (1:02:57) pain, (1:02:57) disfigurement, (1:03:00) you know, (1:03:01) not maturing, (1:03:02) not having a lot of bad things.(1:03:04) Yeah. (1:03:05) Liver transplants. (1:03:06) And like I said, (1:03:07) stupidity happens when you turn your head conscious, (1:03:10) when you consciously turned your head.(1:03:14) Don’t kid yourself. (1:03:15) Germany was not dissimilar to that. (1:03:17) Yeah.(1:03:18) I, (1:03:18) yeah. (1:03:18) I mean, (1:03:19) do you think how many, (1:03:20) how many Germans believe that there were concentration camps? (1:03:23) Probably? (1:03:23) I don’t even know that number. (1:03:24) I mean, (1:03:24) I, (1:03:25) my parents were just born at that time, (1:03:26) so I can’t, (1:03:27) they probably didn’t want to, (1:03:28) they probably didn’t want to recognize it.(1:03:29) Think about it. (1:03:30) Admit it. (1:03:31) No, (1:03:32) we wouldn’t.(1:03:32) We’re, (1:03:33) we would never do such a thing. (1:03:34) We’re good people. (1:03:35) You know what sucks about that? (1:03:36) A lot of things.(1:03:39) We, (1:03:39) we, (1:03:40) we, (1:03:40) we, (1:03:40) we started this thing, (1:03:41) right? (1:03:41) It’s called Knocked Conscious, (1:03:44) right? (1:03:44) It’s about bringing things that are buried deep inside, (1:03:49) whether it’s a bias or brainwash or a culture or a system, (1:03:54) right? (1:03:55) All these things. (1:03:55) It’s about bringing it to the forefront so we can look at it. (1:04:00) When we do these subconscious things from how we’re trained and grown and (1:04:05) cultured, (1:04:05) right? (1:04:06) Like you say, (1:04:07) yes, (1:04:07) sir.(1:04:07) You’re just like that because your dad, (1:04:09) you, (1:04:09) you can’t help yourself. (1:04:11) Fuck you. (1:04:12) That’s not a problem.(1:04:14) That’s, (1:04:14) that’s just it. (1:04:16) Yes, (1:04:16) sir. (1:04:17) No, (1:04:17) sir.(1:04:17) No, (1:04:17) ma’am. (1:04:18) I know, (1:04:19) but that’s, (1:04:20) and that’s just a small, (1:04:21) we’re talking about the big issues. (1:04:22) People are so scared to take what’s buried back here to the front, (1:04:28) but you and I can’t not do that.(1:04:31) Yeah, (1:04:31) that’s our, (1:04:31) that’s what we do. (1:04:32) It hurt. (1:04:33) And to our detriment, (1:04:35) I know we are in constant, (1:04:39) it’s not the right word.(1:04:41) We’re in a lot of pain and we, (1:04:45) it’s on us. (1:04:46) I’m not, (1:04:46) I’m not playing a victim here. (1:04:48) This, (1:04:49) this is your conscious acts that you and I do.(1:04:52) We kind of accept this pain for a group of people. (1:04:55) I don’t know why, (1:04:56) but we do it. (1:04:57) We consciously do it, (1:04:59) but we try to look behind these systems and bring it to the front and (1:05:04) some, (1:05:05) there’s so many people that I love that are just like, (1:05:11) ah, (1:05:11) it’s not something I want to think about.(1:05:13) Yeah. (1:05:13) It’s too hard. (1:05:14) Yeah.(1:05:15) Well, (1:05:15) that happens all the time. (1:05:16) Right. (1:05:17) And I ended up, (1:05:17) it’s too painful to think about.(1:05:18) And I mumbled to myself in the corner for hours and in a weird way, (1:05:24) like you shared something with me. (1:05:26) I’ll, (1:05:26) I’ll share it with Twitter world. (1:05:27) Oh dear Jesus.(1:05:28) No, (1:05:28) you said like, (1:05:29) thanks for the podcast last night. (1:05:31) Yesterday. (1:05:31) Share, (1:05:32) share your story, (1:05:32) man.(1:05:32) You came in, (1:05:34) I was, (1:05:35) uh, (1:05:35) I, (1:05:36) I was not in a good place emotionally. (1:05:40) Um, (1:05:41) and it was, (1:05:42) I was my last day of vacation too, (1:05:43) man. (1:05:44) I didn’t even work yesterday.(1:05:45) I didn’t, (1:05:46) I’m not even supposed to be 37. (1:05:49) So I just was, (1:05:51) um, (1:05:52) personal family stuff got me down. (1:05:55) Um, (1:05:55) and it really ruined my day and that’s messed up.(1:05:58) It shouldn’t, (1:05:59) it shouldn’t, (1:06:00) that stuff should not affect me like it does. (1:06:02) And I had to figure that out, (1:06:03) but that’s not the point. (1:06:04) Uh, (1:06:05) sorry.(1:06:05) And therapy. (1:06:06) So, (1:06:08) and I told that I got to Mark’s house and, (1:06:12) uh, (1:06:13) I was not, (1:06:14) I was messed up in mentally, (1:06:15) emotionally. (1:06:16) I just was like, (1:06:16) I was in a bad mood, (1:06:18) bad.(1:06:20) I felt good. (1:06:21) I would, (1:06:21) I slept, (1:06:22) I didn’t drink. (1:06:23) I, (1:06:23) you know, (1:06:23) I felt fine.(1:06:25) I, (1:06:25) and I, (1:06:26) and then we did the beer Googles, (1:06:28) but something was up. (1:06:29) Yeah. (1:06:30) I was not okay.(1:06:31) We’ll leave it at that. (1:06:31) Yeah. (1:06:32) We did the beer Googles, (1:06:33) which will release in a couple of weeks of the, (1:06:35) uh, (1:06:37) favorite movie villains of all time.(1:06:40) Definitely. (1:06:41) Dr. (1:06:42) Dr. (1:06:42) Laser. (1:06:43) Yes.(1:06:44) Lasers. (1:06:45) Dark helmet. (1:06:47) So can’t breathe in this thing.(1:06:48) And I told Mark today when I got here, (1:06:50) I’m surrounded by asshole that I, (1:06:52) I had to thank him because that two hour and 33 minute podcast (1:06:57) totally snapped me out of it and put me in a good mood. (1:07:00) And I thanked him and I, (1:07:01) I said, (1:07:01) I owe you a debt of gratitude because that was exactly what I needed. (1:07:04) And I felt great, (1:07:06) you know, (1:07:07) and I, (1:07:07) and I’m to your face.(1:07:09) Thank you. (1:07:10) And I just called you out because I would like to return that. (1:07:13) Thank you.(1:07:13) I want to let everyone know we’ve, (1:07:15) we talked about how much we love each other, (1:07:16) man. (1:07:18) People have listened to this and they’re like, (1:07:20) they, (1:07:21) the one thing, (1:07:22) regardless of the topic, (1:07:23) people are like the interaction is what it is, (1:07:27) what makes it. (1:07:28) Sure.(1:07:29) And like I said, (1:07:31) there’s a mood, (1:07:31) there’s a song by Ben Rector called old friends and you can’t make old (1:07:35) friends. (1:07:37) Whoa. (1:07:37) 28 years, (1:07:39) 28 years up my ass.(1:07:41) I know. (1:07:42) No touching. (1:07:43) Not there.(1:07:43) No touching. (1:07:44) No, (1:07:44) but we, (1:07:45) we just know each other and, (1:07:46) and we hope we, (1:07:47) we hoped and we’re, (1:07:49) we’re very pleasantly surprised to know that that comes through when people (1:07:54) listen to us. (1:07:55) Yeah, (1:07:55) absolutely.(1:07:56) Of course. (1:07:56) That’s the whole point is that we’re genuine, (1:07:59) you know, (1:07:59) and that’s what we want to share that always. (1:08:02) And we, (1:08:03) we talk once again, (1:08:04) this is a Knocked Conscious, (1:08:05) but we still make some pretty fucking shitty jokes and we curse.(1:08:09) So we’re explicit, (1:08:10) but our intent, (1:08:12) first of all, (1:08:13) if it’s ever in a derogatory, (1:08:15) any kind of way, (1:08:16) our intent is humor. (1:08:18) Will we miss the mark at some point? (1:08:20) Every mark will be missed. (1:08:21) Deutsch, (1:08:21) Wooder and check.(1:08:22) And me, (1:08:24) all the marks, (1:08:25) all the marks, (1:08:25) all four of them are going to be missed somewhere. (1:08:27) Multiple personality. (1:08:28) However, (1:08:29) the intent is always humor.(1:08:31) And that’s why we keep it conversational. (1:08:33) We have not edited or cut out anything. (1:08:36) Correct.(1:08:37) Because when we say something that’s incorrect or something that we need to (1:08:42) correct right away, (1:08:43) we just hit it right there. (1:08:44) Oh man, (1:08:44) I’m going to pay for that. (1:08:45) Yeah.(1:08:46) Right. (1:08:46) That was bad. (1:08:47) We shouldn’t say that.(1:08:48) Don’t do that. (1:08:49) Right. (1:08:50) Don’t touch it.(1:08:50) No touching. (1:08:51) Um, (1:08:52) but that’s what, (1:08:53) that’s, (1:08:53) what’s great about what we do, (1:08:54) I think. (1:08:55) Yeah.(1:08:56) And I hate, (1:08:57) it’s not to pat ourselves on the back, (1:08:58) but like I said, (1:09:00) people aren’t willing to talk, (1:09:01) to look at this cause there’s a couple more statistics I’m going to share. (1:09:04) And you’re just gonna be like, (1:09:05) what the fuck? (1:09:06) But, (1:09:06) um, (1:09:07) we bring, (1:09:07) we find these weird nuggets of things that no one knows about and we want to, (1:09:13) you can only make it better when you bring it to your conscious. (1:09:17) If it’s buried in the Medulla oblongata, (1:09:20) Colonel Sandals got a big Medulla oblongata.(1:09:23) Um, (1:09:23) but if we keep burying it back there, (1:09:25) we’ll never get better as a people. (1:09:28) And in 2020 right now, (1:09:32) there’s a lot of Medulla oblongata is going like, (1:09:34) it’s like girls gone wild, (1:09:35) but Medulla oblongata has gone wild. (1:09:37) That’s, (1:09:38) they’re all like, (1:09:38) they’re all flashing.(1:09:39) It’s a long Twitter thingy dude. (1:09:41) Everyone’s Medulla oblongata is flashing right now and they’re underage and they, (1:09:45) but they signed a waiver. (1:09:47) It’s all crazy, (1:09:48) but like they’re burning down fucking buildings cause they want to destroy (1:09:51) systems.(1:09:52) But destroying systems doesn’t fix the problem. (1:09:56) Reforming. (1:09:57) Yes, (1:09:57) but you can’t take away a system unless you have something, (1:10:04) whether it’s beta tested or whatever in its place.(1:10:07) If you don’t have another system, (1:10:08) you have anarchy. (1:10:09) Correct. (1:10:09) You need something in its place to replace it.(1:10:13) And I’m all for 100% replacement, (1:10:15) but you can’t just go from whatever it is now to zero. (1:10:20) And I’m talking about all systems. (1:10:22) Obviously I’m, (1:10:23) you know, (1:10:23) I’m not trying to imply obviously everything like the things we’re talking about.(1:10:27) I’m going to stay as general. (1:10:28) I’m not even going to talk about burning down Hollywood. (1:10:30) Yeah.(1:10:30) I mean, (1:10:30) that’s not, (1:10:31) not literally, (1:10:32) but figuratively. (1:10:33) No, (1:10:33) like escape from LA was just a really great movie. (1:10:36) Sneak Plissken, (1:10:37) bro.(1:10:37) Yeah. (1:10:38) Yeah. (1:10:38) Totally.(1:10:39) Snake Plissken. (1:10:41) Call me snake. (1:10:43) Where’s Meg Ryan? (1:10:44) I just got, (1:10:45) I fell off a boat in the water.(1:10:48) Was that uncle Ron? (1:10:50) Overboard. (1:10:50) Overboard. (1:10:51) And then he was on Captain Ron with Martin.(1:10:53) Yes. (1:10:53) Martin Short was it? (1:10:54) Correct. (1:10:55) And it makes me think about what about Bob where he’s sailing and he’s tied to the (1:10:59) mast of a totally different movie.(1:11:01) What about that? (1:11:01) Yeah, (1:11:01) that’s crazy. (1:11:02) That’s how our brain works. (1:11:04) Um, (1:11:04) but no, (1:11:06) thank you for, (1:11:11) you have really put yourself out there for me and made yourself available for us (1:11:17) to do this.(1:11:18) Cause I, (1:11:19) I know you feel like I, (1:11:20) I have a hard time doing it alone and you’re there to support, (1:11:24) but obviously I, (1:11:24) I know you enjoy it. (1:11:26) Oh yeah. (1:11:26) But at the same point, (1:11:27) like it’s almost like we, (1:11:28) it’s therapy for ourselves, (1:11:30) for each other.(1:11:30) In a weird way. (1:11:31) Yes. (1:11:31) In a weird way.(1:11:32) So I’m just grateful to you. (1:11:34) So thank you for allowing us to talk about some really heavy, (1:11:39) weird shit. (1:11:39) And then complete dual, (1:11:41) complete three 65, (1:11:43) 49, (1:11:43) 22.(1:11:44) Yeah. (1:11:45) Really? (1:11:46) A one 80, (1:11:47) whatever it takes, (1:11:48) whatever. (1:11:48) Or three left turns.(1:11:50) Sure. (1:11:52) Yeah. (1:11:52) Three left.(1:11:53) Yeah. (1:11:53) Yeah. (1:11:54) Three point turn three.(1:11:55) All right. (1:11:56) Well, (1:11:56) yeah, (1:11:57) actually just two left turns, (1:11:59) I guess was all we need to go the other direction. (1:12:01) So one 80, (1:12:02) but, (1:12:02) uh, (1:12:03) and then we do beer Googles and we get, (1:12:04) and we drink and we look up the weirdest shit on the internet.(1:12:08) Talk about the Joker. (1:12:09) What’s funny about that too, (1:12:10) if I may, (1:12:12) um, (1:12:13) someone, (1:12:13) I believe it was a woman named Ellie. (1:12:16) I don’t want to call her out.(1:12:17) No, (1:12:18) Kelly, (1:12:18) Kelly. (1:12:19) I think it was not K E L L Y, (1:12:21) but K E L L I E. (1:12:23) Cause her name is Kelly, (1:12:25) Kelly, (1:12:25) Kelly, (1:12:26) Kelly, (1:12:26) Kelly, (1:12:27) Kelly, (1:12:27) Uh, (1:12:28) you knew that was coming. (1:12:29) I was waiting.(1:12:31) Kelly, (1:12:31) I believe it’s K E L L I E and had podcast recommendations. (1:12:35) And I just asked for podcast recommendations. (1:12:38) Generally, (1:12:39) I respond and said, (1:12:40) please check us out.(1:12:41) Give us a listen. (1:12:43) We have a wide range of things to which she responded. (1:12:47) I just saw the 14 Shakespearean thing.(1:12:50) That’s right up my alley. (1:12:51) Boom. (1:12:52) And that’s something that I love (1:12:54) because we have such a diverse amount of stuff as Chris is chewing.(1:12:59) Because we love Willie Shakespeare. (1:13:01) Uh, (1:13:01) and I guess, (1:13:03) and what’s great is we do have a core topic, (1:13:04) an anchor topic. (1:13:05) And then we go on tangents like this and then we’ll get back to it.(1:13:08) So back to the show. (1:13:10) Um, (1:13:12) may I rattle off just another statistic or two that just to get this shit out. (1:13:16) Absolutely not.(1:13:17) It’s gotta be rattled, (1:13:18) bro. (1:13:19) Shake, (1:13:21) rattle, (1:13:21) and roll. (1:13:22) Make it happen.(1:13:22) All right. (1:13:23) Um, (1:13:24) we, (1:13:24) like I said, (1:13:25) 25% chance to give recessive genetic disorder to children. (1:13:28) If with your first cousin, (1:13:30) 12 and a half percent chance that your first cousin has the same recessive gene as you.(1:13:34) If it happens, (1:13:35) many believe this is one that kills me. (1:13:38) I just read it again. (1:13:41) If they do have a child of this, (1:13:43) they just, (1:13:44) like I said, (1:13:45) they specifically mentioned, (1:13:46) we thought it was bad luck or God’s will.(1:13:51) Yeah. (1:13:51) I wrote that down too. (1:13:56) This is why human interference with your direct relationship with your higher power is dangerous (1:14:06) because you’re more than welcome to believe that personally.(1:14:11) But I, (1:14:12) it’s my opinion and that should not be preached. (1:14:14) You, (1:14:16) the fact that someone would think that a child with mental and physical disabilities is God’s will so that they can be on this earth to suffer. (1:14:30) I don’t, (1:14:31) how do you, (1:14:32) what the, (1:14:35) what? (1:14:39) Then you shouldn’t do anything.(1:14:42) Sit. (1:14:43) The second you’re an adult, (1:14:45) when you turn 18 or whatever adulthood is in your country, (1:14:51) sit in, (1:14:51) sit, (1:14:52) crisscross apple stalls. (1:14:53) I almost said it.(1:14:55) Do you see how we learn from this show? (1:14:56) I almost said the other one. (1:14:58) We need American style. (1:14:59) Oh, (1:14:59) I thought you’re gonna do crisscross and make you jump, (1:15:01) jump, (1:15:01) jump, (1:15:02) jump.(1:15:02) No, (1:15:02) it’s gonna need American style. (1:15:04) Almost said the other one, (1:15:05) the really bad one. (1:15:07) Cleveland, (1:15:07) Indian style.(1:15:09) Whoa, (1:15:10) sir, (1:15:10) that’s still the team, (1:15:12) bro. (1:15:12) I know, (1:15:13) but go tribe. (1:15:16) Yeah, (1:15:16) but we’re getting better, (1:15:18) bro.(1:15:18) We’re getting better. (1:15:19) You and I, (1:15:20) um, (1:15:21) but crisscross applesauce and let God take care of everything. (1:15:25) Then like, (1:15:26) don’t work doing everything.(1:15:27) That’ll be God’s will to right. (1:15:28) Feeding you. (1:15:29) It’s, (1:15:29) it’s the craziest thing.(1:15:30) Thank you, (1:15:31) God, (1:15:31) for the food that we planted and plowed and grew and watered and cultivated and (1:15:40) sowed and whatever. (1:15:42) Thank you for that. (1:15:45) But you know, (1:15:47) it’s not your fault that the hurricane wiped out our crops this year.(1:15:51) That was your will. (1:15:52) God’s will was the hurricane. (1:15:54) Yeah.(1:15:55) God is just throwing us curveballs. (1:15:57) He was jobbing us. (1:15:59) Right? (1:15:59) It’s funny.(1:16:00) Job’s our verb. (1:16:02) Jobbing.com Marina. (1:16:04) Remember when it was jobbing.com? (1:16:05) Of course I do.(1:16:06) It’s terrible, (1:16:06) terrible, (1:16:07) terrible. (1:16:08) Yeah, (1:16:08) but Job, (1:16:11) that’s one of the parable, (1:16:12) right? (1:16:12) Is it a parable? (1:16:13) Is that what it’s called? (1:16:14) No, (1:16:14) I think it’s a book of the Bible. (1:16:16) It is.(1:16:16) Oh, (1:16:16) it is the book of job. (1:16:17) Yeah. (1:16:18) So basically God takes everything from him, (1:16:20) makes him sick and he stays with God and then he gives him back everything.(1:16:23) Or I don’t even remember, (1:16:25) dude, (1:16:25) but basically it’s like, (1:16:26) why isn’t it job? (1:16:27) Yeah, (1:16:28) I don’t know because that’s his name. (1:16:29) Job, (1:16:29) like Gob. (1:16:30) Remember Gob from Arrested Development.(1:16:33) Oh man. (1:16:34) Will Arnett. (1:16:35) I am Joe.(1:16:36) I never watched that show. (1:16:38) I didn’t like it. (1:16:39) One of the best shows ever.(1:16:39) I didn’t like it. (1:16:40) Okay. (1:16:42) That’s unfortunate.(1:16:43) I just like the no touching scene. (1:16:45) Yeah, (1:16:45) no touching. (1:16:46) I would never have guessed that you would not like that.(1:16:47) I think it would be right up your alley. (1:16:49) Huh. (1:16:50) That’s okay.(1:16:51) I did like a movie you recommended. (1:16:54) You couldn’t have. (1:16:55) The Nines.(1:16:56) Was that not a fucking great movie? (1:16:59) I did like that. (1:16:59) Ryan Reynolds was great in that. (1:17:01) Despite the fact that his eyes are too close, (1:17:02) he’s a sexy dude.(1:17:04) Despite the fact of that and that, (1:17:05) um, (1:17:06) that other lady? (1:17:07) Well, (1:17:07) no, (1:17:08) it’s got, (1:17:08) uh, (1:17:08) Melissa McCarthy. (1:17:09) Yeah, (1:17:10) I know, (1:17:10) but it’s got Jenny McCarthy’s cousin in it. (1:17:13) It’s Jenny McCarthy’s cousin.(1:17:14) That’s how, (1:17:14) yeah. (1:17:15) Yeah. (1:17:16) Singled out Jenny McCarthy.(1:17:18) Masked singer Jenny McCarthy. (1:17:20) Melissa McCarthy is her cousin? (1:17:22) Yes, (1:17:22) sir. (1:17:22) Get out of the city.(1:17:23) No joke, (1:17:24) sir. (1:17:24) She has a pretty face. (1:17:26) Yeah.(1:17:26) Oh, (1:17:26) yeah, (1:17:26) yeah. (1:17:32) She, (1:17:32) she, (1:17:32) let’s wrap it up. (1:17:33) Okay, (1:17:33) sorry.(1:17:34) No, (1:17:34) no, (1:17:35) um. (1:17:36) Native American style. (1:17:36) Oh, (1:17:37) so, (1:17:37) yeah, (1:17:38) why not just provide for you, (1:17:39) right? (1:17:39) Just don’t do anything.(1:17:40) Like we said, (1:17:41) is the whole point. (1:17:42) Um, (1:17:44) I happened to come across yesterday. (1:17:47) I was in a weird mood yesterday, (1:17:48) too, (1:17:48) because like I came across some George, (1:17:51) uh, (1:17:51) George Carlin, (1:17:53) Richard Pryor, (1:17:54) Robin Williams, (1:17:55) and Mitch Hedberg comedy skit things, (1:17:58) like little clips on YouTube.(1:18:00) No idea how I got in that echo, (1:18:01) echo chamber, (1:18:02) but it just shot me in there. (1:18:04) And I was kind of morose because I missed those guys, (1:18:09) but one of the ones that Carlin did, (1:18:11) they always thank God for winning the game. (1:18:14) Good game.(1:18:15) Yeah. (1:18:15) You haven’t won a game yet, (1:18:16) but God, (1:18:17) thank God. (1:18:17) Thank God for that.(1:18:18) They never say he made me fucking fumble the ball. (1:18:21) He doesn’t like our team. (1:18:22) You know, (1:18:22) it’s like that is exactly the truth.(1:18:25) Yeah. (1:18:26) You lose and it’s not God, (1:18:29) but Kurt Warner wins a Superbowl and it’s thank you Jesus. (1:18:34) Yeah.(1:18:36) Now, (1:18:36) I guess I could, (1:18:37) we could interpret that differently. (1:18:40) I’m waiting. (1:18:41) Thank you for me having this faith in this thing for me to feel like I have a purpose in this life and can get through and overcome my obstacles and get from the arena league to, (1:18:54) to national football league to win a Superbowl.(1:18:58) I guess. (1:18:59) Thank you. (1:18:59) Jesus is much easier if it’s on a t-shirt.(1:19:02) So I guess that’s, (1:19:03) that’s a lot of work, (1:19:04) right? (1:19:04) Isn’t it? (1:19:05) Kind of like 11 font, (1:19:06) right? (1:19:06) Does that, (1:19:07) does that make sense? (1:19:07) Yes. (1:19:08) Like, (1:19:08) cause I do. (1:19:10) It is my opinion that many people’s faith is what gives them the strength to do things, (1:19:16) right? (1:19:16) Or they, (1:19:17) that perceived strength and hey, (1:19:20) perceptions reality.(1:19:21) If you feel like putting your left sock on in the morning instead of before your right (1:19:25) sock gets you a bigger sale every day, (1:19:28) isn’t that how you do it? (1:19:30) Super, (1:19:30) which sock do you put on first? (1:19:32) I think I go left, (1:19:33) right. (1:19:34) Me too. (1:19:34) I think I do.(1:19:35) Left, (1:19:35) right. (1:19:35) Motorcycle glove. (1:19:36) Left.(1:19:36) Always first. (1:19:37) Yeah. (1:19:38) Motorcycle.(1:19:39) Always. (1:19:39) Cause you’re, (1:19:40) this is your dominant rights. (1:19:41) You’re dominant.(1:19:42) Yeah. (1:19:42) Yeah. (1:19:42) I bet you, (1:19:43) I bet you it’s opposite for lefties.(1:19:45) I bet, (1:19:45) I’ll bet you dollars. (1:19:46) No, (1:19:46) it’s just like we wear watches on. (1:19:47) We’re going to get donuts.(1:19:49) Um, (1:19:49) I love donuts. (1:19:51) I’m not even gonna talk about my a one C or my blood sugar, (1:19:54) sir. (1:19:54) Why not? (1:19:55) Cause it was a number.(1:19:56) I don’t, (1:19:57) I don’t know if, (1:19:58) I don’t even know if it’s calculated, (1:20:00) but I’m getting it under control. (1:20:02) Is it over a hundred? (1:20:04) It’s over 200. (1:20:08) What? (1:20:08) Two 99.(1:20:10) What the hell dude? (1:20:11) A one C of 11.3. (1:20:14) And I was losing weight. (1:20:15) I had no idea. (1:20:16) I wasn’t, (1:20:17) I had no idea.(1:20:20) Crazy. (1:20:20) I must have something going on with my pancreas. (1:20:22) All right.(1:20:23) Anyway, (1:20:23) it’s inflamed. (1:20:24) What’s great about this is like tangents 3.0, (1:20:27) 14.2, (1:20:28) but it’s not inflamed. (1:20:28) But this God’s will thing, (1:20:29) right? (1:20:29) Let’s go back to God’s wills.(1:20:31) Yeah. (1:20:33) Really? (1:20:33) Like I get using that as an excuse for your child to be deformed. (1:20:39) It’s like I can pass the buck to bad things so I don’t have to take almost a personal accountability (1:20:45) in a way.(1:20:46) In this case, (1:20:46) it’s direct. (1:20:47) Like sometimes it’s weather, (1:20:49) right? (1:20:49) Oh, (1:20:50) the tornado is God’s will. (1:20:52) Obviously you have no control over that, (1:20:53) but you do have control over who you have with whom you have children.(1:20:57) So it shouldn’t really be God’s will or bad luck. (1:20:59) But if, (1:21:03) I’m not sure how to ask this question. (1:21:07) The woman that said that if she didn’t marry her cousin and her child was physically challenged, (1:21:19) it would still be God’s will.(1:21:21) Correct. (1:21:22) But the likelihood of her child being disabled would be greatly reduced by not marrying a first cousin. (1:21:29) When you’re able to account for every scientific variable that we currently know about, (1:21:37) which we currently know.(1:21:38) Yeah. (1:21:40) Whatever we know about physics, (1:21:42) biology, (1:21:43) physiology, (1:21:43) genetics. (1:21:45) All the sciences.(1:21:45) If we can account for all of those variables on the science side, (1:21:51) I accept God’s will as a, (1:21:56) I don’t want to say an excuse, (1:21:57) but I can see that as a coping mechanism. (1:22:01) A valid response. (1:22:02) A coping mechanism.(1:22:03) Yes. (1:22:04) A valid response as a coping mechanism, (1:22:05) right? (1:22:06) For an unexplained thing that happened. (1:22:09) Right? (1:22:10) Like, (1:22:11) if I were to, (1:22:14) Megzy, (1:22:14) this is not happening.(1:22:16) If I were to marry and have children with a Korean person, (1:22:21) person from Korea, (1:22:23) an Asian descent. (1:22:23) Is he hot? (1:22:24) I would hope so. (1:22:26) Megzy, (1:22:26) she’s not, (1:22:27) she’s ugly.(1:22:27) Is he hot? (1:22:28) Oh, (1:22:28) he, (1:22:28) oh. (1:22:32) Now he is. (1:22:33) Hey now, (1:22:34) Steven.(1:22:35) Now he’s in my conscious. (1:22:36) Whoa. (1:22:37) So, (1:22:38) if that were to happen, (1:22:39) and then some genetic weird thing would happen, (1:22:42) the odds of us, (1:22:43) the diversity in our genetics should make for super babies.(1:22:47) Just to be clear, (1:22:48) you’re not Korean. (1:22:50) I’m freaking pasty white boy. (1:22:52) Northern European, (1:22:53) like 99%.(1:22:54) Oh yeah, (1:22:54) you’re German. (1:22:55) I forgot. (1:22:56) The only thing that’s not Northern European, (1:22:59) French, (1:22:59) or German, (1:23:00) or whatever, (1:23:00) is like 0.2% of my DNA.(1:23:03) And that’s Korean. (1:23:04) Sure. (1:23:05) It has to be some kind of African, (1:23:07) right? (1:23:08) Allegedly.(1:23:10) Or scientifically speaking. (1:23:12) Once again, (1:23:12) let’s use science. (1:23:14) But if you can account, (1:23:15) if you, (1:23:16) shoot.(1:23:17) He blinded him by ignoring science. (1:23:19) Yes. (1:23:20) Three.(1:23:20) Three children were blinded by ignoring science. (1:23:22) They were blinded by science. (1:23:23) By the ignorance.(1:23:25) Lack of science. (1:23:27) By defying science. (1:23:28) Ignoring.(1:23:29) Ignoring science. (1:23:30) Ignorance, man. (1:23:31) Stupidity is a deliberate cultivation of ignorance.(1:23:36) But we were talking about, (1:23:38) what the heck were we talking about, man? (1:23:41) Your A1Cs. (1:23:42) Being blind with science. (1:23:43) Thomas Dolby.(1:23:44) Oh, (1:23:45) once you’ve accounted for every scientific variable, (1:23:47) then we can go, (1:23:49) okay, (1:23:49) well it’s the unexplained, (1:23:50) so that can be God’s will. (1:23:51) Because we don’t know it yet. (1:23:52) But once you know it, (1:23:53) then it goes back, (1:23:54) then it goes on the science side.(1:23:55) Right? (1:23:55) Then that, (1:23:56) that science understanding keeps moving. (1:23:59) That goalpost keeps moving. (1:24:00) How many times have I used the analogy, (1:24:02) and I’m sure everyone’s annoyed by it.(1:24:04) It’s probably as annoying as the hashtag RQ. (1:24:07) But it’s, (1:24:09) go back in time, (1:24:09) if you could go back in time, (1:24:11) with a, (1:24:12) you know, (1:24:12) a butane lighter in your hand, (1:24:14) and you made fire in front of someone who, (1:24:17) never made it. (1:24:18) And just only got it because it was there from a lightning storm or something.(1:24:23) If you could, (1:24:24) you make fire, (1:24:25) they would either worship you, (1:24:26) or they would, (1:24:26) they would stone you. (1:24:27) They would kill you. (1:24:29) There is no in between.(1:24:31) Right? (1:24:33) Yes. (1:24:36) So, (1:24:37) what, (1:24:38) that’s why I feel like, (1:24:39) we start understanding what science is. (1:24:42) So as the goalpost moves, (1:24:43) and we learn more things, (1:24:45) like we’re just still just scratching the quantum surface.(1:24:48) Yeah. (1:24:49) So as we learn more things, (1:24:51) quote unquote, (1:24:52) the place, (1:24:53) what I call the place from which everything came, (1:24:55) you can call it God, (1:24:56) creator, (1:24:57) Joe, (1:24:58) whatever word you want, (1:24:59) Yahweh, (1:25:00) whatever, (1:25:01) Jesus, (1:25:02) whatever you want to call. (1:25:06) It’s going to be understood.(1:25:07) It’s just, (1:25:08) it’s that, (1:25:09) that piece of the pie smaller. (1:25:12) Maybe, (1:25:12) maybe ghosts are real, (1:25:14) and we will understand what it is someday. (1:25:17) Maybe we’ll understand that it’s the person who perceives it.(1:25:21) You know, (1:25:21) it’s in their head. (1:25:22) You know, (1:25:22) who knows? (1:25:24) It’s a good point. (1:25:25) We, (1:25:25) or it’s just energy or whatever the hell, (1:25:27) you know, (1:25:28) residue.(1:25:29) What if it’s like this? (1:25:30) I’d never, (1:25:31) we’re really going on a tangent, (1:25:32) but this just popped in my head. (1:25:35) Can we get a grant for this? (1:25:36) Yes. (1:25:37) They talk about haunted places.(1:25:39) Yeah. (1:25:40) What if the places that they, (1:25:43) you know, (1:25:44) the places you went were, (1:25:46) had an energy of some sort that a percentage of humans (1:25:51) perceived as reality. (1:25:54) Like they had the antenna to receive whatever that energy is.(1:25:58) Yeah. (1:25:58) We talk about psychic power. (1:25:59) There’s really nothing there unless you’re there to perceive it.(1:26:03) Right. (1:26:03) But my point is the energy is picked up by. (1:26:07) Yeah.(1:26:08) A percentage of humans. (1:26:09) The person that’s there. (1:26:10) Who then translate it as a ghost.(1:26:12) Yes. (1:26:12) Or whatever. (1:26:13) There’s no ghost there unless you perceive it.(1:26:14) Yeah, (1:26:15) exactly. (1:26:15) Yeah. (1:26:16) And maybe that’s what it is.(1:26:17) There’s not, (1:26:17) it’s not actually a ghost thing. (1:26:18) It’s whatever the energy is, (1:26:20) people interpreting it, (1:26:22) their brain interpreting it. (1:26:23) Right.(1:26:23) I’ve told you about having meditation and visions and what the fuck. (1:26:27) Yeah. (1:26:28) Like to a scary fucking extent.(1:26:31) Like, (1:26:32) oh yeah, (1:26:32) I see liquid gold. (1:26:33) Like what? (1:26:34) I, (1:26:34) there’s gold in my golden beer that’s being poured in a gold ribbon class. (1:26:39) Oh yeah.(1:26:40) I just use liquid gold to dust the fucking coffee table that your foot’s under. (1:26:45) Here’s the can. (1:26:47) It’s fucking weird, (1:26:48) right? (1:26:48) We, (1:26:50) so maybe it’s just something, (1:26:52) you know, (1:26:52) like that where it’s not its own entity.(1:26:54) It’s whatever’s there is perceived by a percentage of people that see it like a ghost, (1:27:02) you know, (1:27:03) and like, (1:27:03) you know, (1:27:04) we try to use our, (1:27:05) our technology to like record it, (1:27:08) but it’s outside of our realm of understanding. (1:27:10) So how could we use our technology to record it? (1:27:12) You know, (1:27:13) that’s a very good point. (1:27:15) You know, (1:27:15) it’s kind of like the Einstein quote, (1:27:17) you know, (1:27:18) the conscious, (1:27:19) you know, (1:27:19) no, (1:27:20) no problem can be solved with the consciousness that was used to create it.(1:27:26) No problem can be solved using the same consciousness that was used to create it. (1:27:32) I like that. (1:27:34) It’s my, (1:27:34) it’s one of my favorite quotes and it’s, (1:27:38) it’s so, (1:27:39) it’s so powerful, (1:27:40) right? (1:27:42) Like think about it where we have a recycling problem or an oil problem, (1:27:46) whatever.(1:27:46) We can’t think my opinion. (1:27:50) Once again, (1:27:51) opinion people, (1:27:52) it’s Einstein’s opinion, (1:27:53) right? (1:27:53) But opinion people, (1:27:54) we are using oil from the ground. (1:27:57) We are using fossilized, (1:27:59) melted fucking dinosaur bones and leaves.(1:28:02) Okay. (1:28:03) Everything. (1:28:04) It’s really weird.(1:28:05) And poop and poop doo doo. (1:28:08) We’re using all that to make our plastics. (1:28:12) When we could grow a plant that almost grows in any condition and doesn’t suffer (1:28:18) any plight or anything, (1:28:20) it doesn’t need any GMOs.(1:28:22) It doesn’t need any pesticides. (1:28:26) And we squeeze an oil out of that and use that to make the plastics. (1:28:31) That’s not a bet.(1:28:32) It’s a bio plastic completely, (1:28:37) not fracked, (1:28:39) not oil, (1:28:40) not, (1:28:40) not like, (1:28:41) you know, (1:28:41) fracking oil based. (1:28:42) Yeah. (1:28:43) Not drilled, (1:28:44) sucking out milkshake.(1:28:46) Um, (1:28:47) but a bio plastic, (1:28:50) we could, (1:28:51) we can do it, (1:28:53) but people get, (1:28:55) but there’s no money in that people get in the way. (1:28:57) Well, (1:28:57) yeah, (1:28:57) we have to, (1:28:58) we have to transfer the money from the oil company to the, (1:29:01) to the new plant plastic company. (1:29:04) It’s my opinion that the, (1:29:05) the hemp lobby would have to be much bigger than the oil.(1:29:09) That’s correct. (1:29:09) Good luck. (1:29:11) Well, (1:29:11) they had, (1:29:11) they’re behind the curve.(1:29:12) They don’t have, (1:29:13) they would just have to be shifted over. (1:29:15) Well, (1:29:16) they’d have to, (1:29:16) do you think you can outspend an oil lobby? (1:29:18) No, (1:29:19) of course not. (1:29:19) I mean, (1:29:19) not right now.(1:29:20) Right. (1:29:20) No, (1:29:20) I don’t, (1:29:21) and I don’t even know if you, (1:29:22) I don’t know if you could, (1:29:23) unless that resource dries up and we have to shift that and they don’t have an alternate. (1:29:28) Like they’re trying to algae stuff and don’t get me wrong.(1:29:31) They’re trying, (1:29:31) they’re trying other energies, (1:29:32) but, (1:29:33) but they have an idea how long they have the oil for and they’re feeling pretty comfortable with that number. (1:29:38) Yeah. (1:29:38) You know what I mean? (1:29:39) Yeah.(1:29:39) Like they’re feeling pretty good about that. (1:29:41) Anyway. (1:29:41) So that was an interesting, (1:29:43) fun tangent.(1:29:44) Three tangents down. (1:29:46) Negative two to go. (1:29:47) Yeah.(1:29:48) How many demerits do we get for that? (1:29:49) Zero. (1:29:49) Oh, (1:29:50) beautiful. (1:29:51) Um, (1:29:52) but once again, (1:29:52) God’s will create, (1:29:54) I, (1:29:55) it’s tough to praise God for the hard work you do and it pays off.(1:30:00) Why would you, (1:30:01) I think it’s your hard work. (1:30:04) Congratulations. (1:30:05) I’m not saying brag or there’s still humility and understanding, (1:30:10) but recognize that you felt like you needed to do something.(1:30:16) You did something and it worked. (1:30:17) Congratulations. (1:30:22) Yeah.(1:30:23) It’s best if I don’t say anything. (1:30:25) Why not? (1:30:25) Go say, (1:30:27) talk to me, (1:30:28) bro. (1:30:28) Hold on.(1:30:29) Talk to me, (1:30:30) goose. (1:30:31) I know it’s cool. (1:30:32) It’s cool.(1:30:33) We’ll do it without anger. (1:30:34) We’ll do it with words. (1:30:36) That’s the subject is very, (1:30:40) very, (1:30:42) I’m so opinionated about it because obviously, (1:30:48) uh, (1:30:48) I was raised in a certain way and I’m an atheist and I don’t, (1:30:54) when someone says it’s God’s will, (1:30:57) I don’t, (1:30:58) I don’t buy that for a second.(1:31:00) And once again, (1:31:01) I don’t want to attack someone’s religion. (1:31:03) That’s, (1:31:04) that’s the woman that said that looked like a very nice person. (1:31:11) I have a hard time grasping.(1:31:15) I can’t understand that. (1:31:17) She and I are on very different pages, (1:31:20) completely different wavelengths because I cannot comprehend that thought. (1:31:27) It’s that simple.(1:31:30) Agreed. (1:31:32) Do you, (1:31:33) is that good enough? (1:31:35) Well, (1:31:35) the reason we can’t comprehend it is because we faced ourselves with this (1:31:39) dilemma for a lot of our life and, (1:31:44) and really hard. (1:31:45) Like we went hard to the paint with our, (1:31:47) with our faith, (1:31:48) like, (1:31:49) or addressing what we believed or what we thought.(1:31:52) I don’t know what you mean. (1:31:54) I’m saying we, (1:31:54) you and I, (1:31:55) the reason we’re so passionate, (1:31:57) whatever about this, (1:31:57) and the reason we can’t see it like this person is because we addressed (1:32:00) whether we felt that was real or not. (1:32:03) Very early on in our lives.(1:32:04) I was 10. (1:32:05) Right. (1:32:06) That’s early.(1:32:07) Now I understand your point. (1:32:08) Okay. (1:32:09) You understood that you already questioned it back then.(1:32:13) Yeah. (1:32:13) So you already had the question before the answer was. (1:32:15) Yeah.(1:32:16) So there’s nothing wrong with that. (1:32:18) Right. (1:32:18) And I go, (1:32:20) your analogy that you used five years ago, (1:32:23) dude, (1:32:24) still rings true that I can’t unsee the man behind the curtain.(1:32:28) I just can’t. (1:32:31) And I would love to, (1:32:32) I’d love to have something to believe in to that extent, (1:32:36) regardless whether it was Jesus or Allah or, (1:32:40) or whoever Jehovah, (1:32:43) I don’t care. (1:32:44) I’d love to, (1:32:45) I’d love to put my faith into a higher being and, (1:32:48) and, (1:32:49) and pray and find solace in that.(1:32:51) I would love that. (1:32:54) However, (1:32:54) I just, (1:32:55) I saw behind the curtain and I, (1:32:58) my logic just runs rampant. (1:33:00) And when I, (1:33:01) when I hear a woman say that, (1:33:03) or a person, (1:33:04) not a woman, (1:33:05) but a person says, (1:33:05) Oh, (1:33:06) it’s God’s will that my son is mentally and physically challenged.(1:33:10) I just think to myself, (1:33:11) are you out of your fucking mind? (1:33:13) And that’s not a nice thing to say, (1:33:15) but that’s the thought that pops in my head. (1:33:18) Yeah. (1:33:18) You, (1:33:19) you almost want to scream.(1:33:20) How can you think that like, (1:33:22) just, (1:33:22) it just seems so out of the realm of logic, (1:33:26) but she and I come from very different places. (1:33:28) Well, (1:33:29) you do, (1:33:30) but you, (1:33:30) you also questioned early and somehow broke away from getting caught up in the (1:33:35) same thing. (1:33:36) What this person must’ve gotten caught up in an organized faith.(1:33:39) Right. (1:33:40) Of course. (1:33:41) Yeah.(1:33:41) And, (1:33:41) and probably being a woman, (1:33:43) because I think it was a woman that said it in this, (1:33:45) in this specific documentary, (1:33:47) um, (1:33:48) there’s still a lot of misogyny and held out. (1:33:51) So she was probably forced to go everywhere. (1:33:53) She went, (1:33:53) she’s probably watched like a Hawk her whole life.(1:33:55) You know, (1:33:56) there are probably some other things going on, (1:33:58) uh, (1:33:59) that are also cultural, (1:34:00) that they use religion to explain. (1:34:02) And regardless of if I was a man or a woman in the U S I could, (1:34:08) if I, (1:34:08) you know, (1:34:09) in whatever, (1:34:10) 1989, (1:34:10) when I left, (1:34:11) when I moved out of the house, (1:34:12) when I got out of high school, (1:34:13) I could have done whatever I wanted. (1:34:15) You know, (1:34:15) we had that freedom regardless of your gender.(1:34:18) Right. (1:34:18) We did. (1:34:20) Yeah.(1:34:20) I mean, (1:34:21) and that’s the other thing is like when we go going back to the documentary, (1:34:25) one of the biggest thing is any criticism of cousin marriages was seen as an (1:34:30) attack on British Pakistani specifically, (1:34:33) which seems dumb. (1:34:35) Like, (1:34:35) well, (1:34:35) hang on, (1:34:36) waiting, (1:34:36) waiting, (1:34:36) that first cousin marriages could lead to high risk, (1:34:40) higher risk of birth defect is not pointing out a specific sector group. (1:34:45) How, (1:34:45) wait, (1:34:47) you’re, (1:34:47) you’re, (1:34:48) I, (1:34:48) your point, (1:34:49) sir, (1:34:49) is totally valid.(1:34:51) However, (1:34:51) if we put ourselves in the shoes of the British Pakistanis who believe this (1:34:57) vehemently, (1:34:58) they like, (1:34:59) Hey, (1:34:59) this is our faith. (1:35:00) This is our culture. (1:35:01) This is the way that we do things.(1:35:03) And this is the way we’ve done things for 800 years. (1:35:07) We’re, (1:35:08) you are attacking us because you’re telling us that we shouldn’t be doing the (1:35:12) way that we do things. (1:35:14) F you.(1:35:14) I don’t need to explain my art to you, (1:35:17) Warren. (1:35:17) Duh. (1:35:19) Isn’t that exactly? (1:35:20) Yeah.(1:35:20) Like who the hell are you to tell me to run our shit? (1:35:25) Yeah. (1:35:25) Fuck you. (1:35:27) Yeah.(1:35:27) I, (1:35:28) I, (1:35:28) and I, (1:35:28) you’re right in the shoe as a person in that group. (1:35:32) Right. (1:35:32) You’re attacking us.(1:35:33) Absolutely. (1:35:34) And this is why we’re trying to come from this point of like a very just calm (1:35:40) conversation. (1:35:40) Let’s just put it out there.(1:35:42) What we’re understanding to be right. (1:35:44) We’re trying not, (1:35:45) we’re doing our best not to judge anything. (1:35:47) Yeah.(1:35:49) As a matter of fact, (1:35:50) I’m a proponent of the marriage. (1:35:52) I’m the children thing is what, (1:35:53) what genetically has been scientifically shown to be the bad part. (1:35:57) So that’s just, (1:35:59) like I said, (1:35:59) what I’m, (1:36:00) what I’m coming across, (1:36:01) right? (1:36:01) So it’s a major national health issue.(1:36:04) British Pakistani are three times more likely to have a learning disability (1:36:09) than the general public three times. (1:36:13) So that’s not good for future generations. (1:36:17) Learning disabilities.(1:36:18) Nope. (1:36:18) You can’t read. (1:36:20) How do you teach to read or how to, (1:36:21) you know, (1:36:21) whatever, (1:36:21) right? (1:36:22) So we talked about costs.(1:36:24) You want to, (1:36:25) do you want to skirt about like what you think some of these costs would be? (1:36:28) Cause I took, (1:36:29) I didn’t document that. (1:36:31) I know it’s astronomical. (1:36:35) About 250,000 hashtags per year.(1:36:39) Do you care for each child? (1:36:41) That’s 250,000 pounds. (1:36:43) Sorry. (1:36:44) It’s a 1.2 or 1.6. (1:36:46) And do we know what it is for the average British, (1:36:50) I’m sorry, (1:36:50) the average UK children? (1:36:52) No, (1:36:53) but these, (1:36:54) that’s for this specific, (1:36:55) for rare genetic disorders, (1:36:57) it costs 250,000, (1:36:59) 250,000 on the average pounds per child, (1:37:02) regardless of the, (1:37:02) like if they have a rare genetic disorder, (1:37:05) regardless of Pakistani make up 30% of that, (1:37:08) of those children that, (1:37:09) that costs 250,000 Pakistanis make up 1.5% of the population.(1:37:14) Right? (1:37:14) So you imagine how quickly you can solve a problem like Maria, (1:37:21) how quickly you can solve this, (1:37:24) this seemingly difficult challenge. (1:37:27) I don’t know what else to call it. (1:37:28) I want to call it a problem.(1:37:29) I’m trying not to judge. (1:37:31) I’m trying not to judge. (1:37:33) It’s challenging for me not to find a judgment on this particular case, (1:37:36) because once again, (1:37:38) the child doesn’t have consent, (1:37:39) whether it will be, (1:37:40) have a genetic defect or not.(1:37:42) Right. (1:37:42) And the greater the increase, (1:37:44) if you can limit those as much as possible, (1:37:48) do it. (1:37:49) Once again, (1:37:50) fucking hard.(1:37:51) The child is innocent. (1:37:52) You know, (1:37:53) why not have, (1:37:55) why not do the family thing? (1:37:56) Swap the cousins like, (1:37:57) Hey, (1:37:58) you’re, (1:37:58) this is our fam. (1:37:59) These are like, (1:37:59) we’ve been these together families.(1:38:01) We’ve been family friends for their kids. (1:38:03) Like do the flip flop, (1:38:05) flop, (1:38:06) flip, (1:38:06) flop, (1:38:06) flip the flip flop. (1:38:07) Put the sock on the right foot.(1:38:08) The first at first first. (1:38:10) Yeah. (1:38:10) Before you put it on the left, (1:38:12) change it up.(1:38:14) That’s actually not a bad idea. (1:38:15) Bring in the lefty. (1:38:16) I don’t know.(1:38:18) Call up to the, (1:38:19) call it onto the bullpen. (1:38:20) Be like, (1:38:20) let’s warm up, (1:38:22) you know, (1:38:22) whatever. (1:38:24) Um, (1:38:25) yeah.(1:38:26) So we’re, (1:38:27) now this is one of the other phrases. (1:38:29) This is where it gets me. (1:38:32) We talk, (1:38:33) we’re talking about systems.(1:38:34) You and I, (1:38:35) the things we’ve talked about are, (1:38:38) yes, (1:38:38) we’ve talked about the Catholic church. (1:38:39) We talked about this. (1:38:40) It’s not just religion systems.(1:38:42) How many things have we talked about? (1:38:43) We talked about the entertainment system with Michael Jackson. (1:38:45) Yeah. (1:38:46) So the, (1:38:47) this is, (1:38:47) we are not on some single singular agenda.(1:38:51) Vendetta. (1:38:52) No, (1:38:52) no agenda. (1:38:53) Vendetta.(1:38:54) Isn’t that? (1:38:55) That’s oh my God. (1:38:55) Is that like regatta? (1:38:57) Mondata? (1:38:57) Sure. (1:38:58) It’s like the police song.(1:38:59) A jet event, (1:38:59) a jet event, (1:39:00) a little bit. (1:39:01) Indigo, (1:39:01) my agenda. (1:39:02) Vendetta.(1:39:03) Yes. (1:39:03) Agenda Vendetta. (1:39:04) Say that five times.(1:39:05) Now, (1:39:06) so we’re not on that, (1:39:07) but here’s a phrase. (1:39:09) So the woman spoke to a priest or a Iman, (1:39:13) Iman and presented this information to him. (1:39:18) Yes.(1:39:19) And she’s like, (1:39:20) you don’t see a problem with whatever, (1:39:21) you know, (1:39:22) here’s the paperwork. (1:39:23) She’s talking with him about it, (1:39:25) asking to give him the paperwork or whatever. (1:39:27) Would you find a problem if, (1:39:29) if it does show this information to you, (1:39:31) would you change your mind? (1:39:32) And he goes, (1:39:34) Islam, (1:39:35) Islamically, (1:39:36) I do not see an issue with marrying your first cousin.(1:39:41) Islamically, (1:39:42) I do not see. (1:39:43) So we’re not talking genetically, (1:39:45) which is the actual effect of the child in this world. (1:39:48) Unfortunately, (1:39:49) that’s all we can do, (1:39:49) bro, (1:39:50) is have chemistry and have a baby like physically, (1:39:52) right? (1:39:52) So Islamically, (1:39:53) that shouldn’t matter.(1:39:55) Physically should matter, (1:39:56) but Islamically, (1:39:58) I do not see an issue with marrying your first cousin. (1:40:01) Now I’m, (1:40:01) they’re implying that you’re going to have children after marriage, (1:40:04) right? (1:40:04) Cause marrying obviously doesn’t have an effect on anything. (1:40:08) Um, (1:40:09) and then the woman said, (1:40:10) maybe not as a, (1:40:11) maybe not Islamically, (1:40:13) but medically there’s a problem.(1:40:15) Don’t you see that? (1:40:16) Like, (1:40:16) yeah, (1:40:17) medically there is a problem, (1:40:19) right? (1:40:20) Islamically speaking, (1:40:22) once again, (1:40:23) not a problem with the faith or whatever. (1:40:26) Well, (1:40:26) this could be any religion, (1:40:27) but it could be Jewish or Catholic or, (1:40:30) right. (1:40:31) It could be anything.(1:40:31) Correct. (1:40:32) this is not specific. (1:40:33) It’s just, (1:40:33) it’s just dogma.(1:40:35) Well, (1:40:36) in general and dogma. (1:40:37) Yes, (1:40:38) it’s kind of with Catholic church, (1:40:39) but dogmas general across the board is kind of, (1:40:42) this could be any sect. (1:40:43) Correct.(1:40:43) It can be anything. (1:40:44) It could be this. (1:40:46) It could be the hail Satan guys.(1:40:48) It could be the satanic. (1:40:49) Totally. (1:40:49) They could, (1:40:50) that could happen.(1:40:51) They could marry their cousins. (1:40:52) We don’t know. (1:40:53) Maybe, (1:40:53) maybe they like to call them.(1:40:54) We should, (1:40:55) we should give them a quick, (1:40:56) uh, (1:40:56) Ringling. (1:40:57) Yeah. (1:40:58) Islamically.(1:40:59) I don’t see an issue and I, (1:41:00) and I, (1:41:01) and I understand that, (1:41:02) but you do know medically, (1:41:03) like there’s, (1:41:04) it’s not like Islamically and you don’t have a medical document to contradict it. (1:41:09) Right. (1:41:10) That’s my point about like when science does show up, (1:41:13) there is evidence where the goalpost has to move.(1:41:16) Right. (1:41:16) Yeah, (1:41:16) exactly. (1:41:17) Right.(1:41:19) So that’s what it is. (1:41:20) But the genetic counseling thing seems to be like a good work around. (1:41:24) So I think that’s a great idea.(1:41:25) People are, (1:41:26) you know, (1:41:27) are not doing that. (1:41:28) So I don’t, (1:41:29) I question. (1:41:30) I wonder if they forced genetic counseling and pay for that instead of paying for the (1:41:34) childcare.(1:41:35) I wonder if the genetic counseling might cost less than having to deal with the child after (1:41:41) it’s born and for the rest of his life. (1:41:43) You would think so. (1:41:44) Right.(1:41:44) I wonder, (1:41:45) I didn’t get into that. (1:41:46) That seems obvious to me. (1:41:47) Yeah, (1:41:47) but maybe it doesn’t.(1:41:48) Who knows? (1:41:48) And maybe there’s other lobbies, (1:41:50) maybe care. (1:41:51) You remember you got the, (1:41:53) the more children are sick, (1:41:54) the more pills are taken, (1:41:55) the more hospital rooms are filled. (1:41:58) We are a capitalist society and that’s a challenge at times.(1:42:02) To your, (1:42:02) uh, (1:42:03) to your point there about the number of pills, (1:42:06) um, (1:42:06) that the one boy that was 18 that acts like he was 14 that had a liver transplant when (1:42:11) he was very, (1:42:12) very young at three or something. (1:42:14) Um, (1:42:15) he’s taking a boatload of prescription drugs just to regulate his liver and he has several (1:42:23) other problems. (1:42:23) Eye sight X and he has some bone issues in his hands and his arms.(1:42:28) Um, (1:42:28) he was, (1:42:29) he was left arm is degenerated. (1:42:31) Yeah, (1:42:31) correct. (1:42:32) Different than the other one.(1:42:33) And one leg is doing something different than the left leg. (1:42:36) Um, (1:42:37) and he’s, (1:42:38) he was taking 11 different prescriptions at one time, (1:42:41) several times a day. (1:42:42) So I thought, (1:42:43) okay, (1:42:43) I didn’t even think about the monetary point, (1:42:45) but what I thought is what is the side effect of those drugs themselves? (1:42:51) Because every commercial you see, (1:42:53) try tambien tambien causes anal leakage and bloody ear lobes.(1:42:59) If you experienced death, (1:43:01) please stop taking tambien right away and call your doctor. (1:43:03) You know, (1:43:04) so this poor 18 year old kid is taking at least 11 different prescription drugs. (1:43:11) What are the side effects of those drugs themselves? (1:43:14) We have, (1:43:15) we have no idea.(1:43:16) And I’d be willing to bet that because he has a genetic disorder, (1:43:20) some of those drugs are borderline experimental, (1:43:23) so they don’t even know the side effects. (1:43:26) That’s to me is almost as terrifying as the disease itself. (1:43:30) And you’re giving it to them.(1:43:31) Yeah. (1:43:32) And he’s taking them. (1:43:33) What was the one? (1:43:34) Didn’t bill Gates immunize some kids in Africa or something? (1:43:38) They all got sick or something.(1:43:39) That was vaccines, (1:43:40) right? (1:43:40) Yeah. (1:43:40) It wasn’t that some kind of weird vaccine. (1:43:42) They gave me, (1:43:42) I killed them all.(1:43:43) Like, (1:43:43) no, (1:43:43) I don’t know. (1:43:44) Yes, (1:43:45) there was something bad happened. (1:43:46) Yes, (1:43:47) that is correct.(1:43:49) Boom. (1:43:49) There you go right there. (1:43:51) But that was a vaccine and these are prescription drugs.(1:43:53) The vaccine still need to be tested in some way, (1:43:56) right? (1:43:56) So it’s the same thing as prescription drugs that you have to push through and are experimental. (1:44:00) I’m guessing that some of them are experimental because they have to be. (1:44:03) These, (1:44:04) these are such rare things.(1:44:05) They keep coming up with new types of condition, (1:44:07) right? (1:44:08) It’s so, (1:44:09) they’re so niche. (1:44:10) It’s almost like there’s as many rare genetic disorders as there are podcasts nowadays. (1:44:15) Whoa, (1:44:16) whoa, (1:44:16) right? (1:44:17) Um, (1:44:18) no, (1:44:18) but yeah, (1:44:19) to your point, (1:44:19) it’s crazy.(1:44:20) Um, (1:44:21) the, (1:44:22) the, (1:44:22) there was a, (1:44:22) there was a Caucasian couple in the UK they interviewed and they had a child that passed (1:44:27) away who had a genetic disorder and they were cousins, (1:44:31) but they didn’t know they were cousins. (1:44:32) Was that, (1:44:33) was that, (1:44:33) do you remember that part? (1:44:34) I can’t speak to that. (1:44:36) I was so focused on trying to get the information.(1:44:39) I should correct. (1:44:40) All right, (1:44:41) let’s skip over that. (1:44:42) But maybe we can touch back on it on the next, (1:44:44) okay, (1:44:45) I’ll watch it again or something cause maybe I can just watch and try to, (1:44:48) I don’t know if enjoy it’s the right word.(1:44:50) No, (1:44:50) it was, (1:44:51) I don’t know if I can watch that again. (1:44:52) I was tortured. (1:44:52) We’ll skip that part.(1:44:54) Um, (1:44:55) yeah, (1:44:55) so no, (1:44:56) I’m sorry. (1:44:56) They were second cousins. (1:44:58) They were second cousins and uh, (1:45:01) they, (1:45:01) uh, (1:45:02) they had a child that passed away and they, (1:45:04) um, (1:45:06) but they knew they were second cousins.(1:45:07) I apologize. (1:45:08) That’s what I, (1:45:08) I forgot that note that I had drawn it down. (1:45:15) They knew.(1:45:16) Okay. (1:45:16) So they knew they were. (1:45:17) Now I’ve heard that second cousins was okay.(1:45:19) Is that the kissing cousins term? (1:45:21) I don’t know. (1:45:22) I don’t think first cousins is a kissing cousins. (1:45:24) I don’t know.(1:45:24) I’ve seen that term, (1:45:25) but I don’t know what that means. (1:45:27) I probably have to look that up or something, (1:45:29) but, (1:45:29) but basically I, (1:45:31) I, (1:45:31) my understanding was the genetic pool is much clearer. (1:45:37) Second cousin and on.(1:45:38) Yes. (1:45:39) Cause it’s your first cousin’s kid. (1:45:40) First cousin’s child.(1:45:43) Is that your second cousin? (1:45:46) So you have an older cousin by 20 years, (1:45:50) for example, (1:45:50) then they have a child. (1:45:53) Yes. (1:45:54) That person is your second cousin.(1:45:56) Correct. (1:45:57) Okay. (1:45:57) Right.(1:45:57) Yeah. (1:45:58) So that’s possible. (1:45:59) It could happen cause I’ve, (1:46:00) you know, (1:46:00) you’ve a lot of older cousins and whatnot.(1:46:02) Yeah. (1:46:03) Yeah. (1:46:03) So second cousin, (1:46:05) but I heard that’s a little cleaner part of the genetic pool.(1:46:08) That was always not frowned upon. (1:46:11) Right. (1:46:11) It was cockeyed.(1:46:14) Like, (1:46:14) Hmm. (1:46:15) Okay. (1:46:15) It was kind of like that.(1:46:16) Right. (1:46:17) It wasn’t like studied too closely, (1:46:19) but it was a little, (1:46:21) you guys really couldn’t find someone else. (1:46:23) Like it’s kind of almost like there’s 7 billion people in the world.(1:46:26) Well, (1:46:26) back then there were, (1:46:27) okay. (1:46:28) Eight billion, (1:46:30) 83, (1:46:31) 83 people. (1:46:32) Yeah.(1:46:32) Okay. (1:46:33) In the UK. (1:46:34) Just right there.(1:46:35) Yeah. (1:46:35) Right. (1:46:35) Smack dab in the middle of Piccadilly.(1:46:38) I have no idea. (1:46:40) Whatever it is. (1:46:41) Is that a thing? (1:46:41) Piccadilly.(1:46:42) Piccadilly square. (1:46:42) Right. (1:46:43) I think so.(1:46:44) Yeah. (1:46:44) Yeah. (1:46:44) Owned by the queen.(1:46:46) Beautiful. (1:46:46) Cause I read that article you sent me. (1:46:48) 39 things that you didn’t know she has.(1:46:49) Yes. (1:46:50) Oh man. (1:46:51) I don’t know if we’re going to do that one, (1:46:52) man.(1:46:52) That’s, (1:46:53) that is a long freaking list. (1:46:54) We can skip some of them cause they’re dumb. (1:46:56) It’s true.(1:46:56) Some of them. (1:46:56) She owns the beach. (1:46:58) She owns the water.(1:46:58) Dolphins. (1:46:59) Every dolphin in the United Kingdom. (1:47:02) Who gives a shit.(1:47:03) She owns all the dolphins. (1:47:06) Thank you. (1:47:07) Flippers.(1:47:07) I think I have that one, (1:47:09) that, (1:47:09) that one in there somewhere. (1:47:10) I’ll have to pull it out. (1:47:11) Cause of the most annoying sounds in the world.(1:47:13) Yes. (1:47:13) But it was just a joke. (1:47:14) I think I just added the dolphin.(1:47:17) But what I found interesting was at the bottom of that article, (1:47:20) the first article that I talked about about the 3% of the bursts, (1:47:25) but 30% of defects, (1:47:27) there’s the op ed piece where people can leave comments. (1:47:30) Yeah. (1:47:30) And some person left a really long comment.(1:47:32) I’m not doxing him. (1:47:33) I don’t remember the name. (1:47:34) I’m not even going to go into specific and quote, (1:47:36) but basically they’re like defending, (1:47:39) defending this at face value.(1:47:41) Like, (1:47:42) well, (1:47:43) genetic defects happen, (1:47:44) you know, (1:47:45) but not at the rate, (1:47:45) like none of the arguments or the defense made any sense in line with it. (1:47:50) And that’s just blind ignorant. (1:47:53) It’s, (1:47:54) it’s deliberate ignorance and it equals the other thing I talked about.(1:47:58) I don’t want to call anyone that word. (1:48:00) I don’t want to call anyone dumb or anything, (1:48:01) but the deliberate cultivation of ignorance it, (1:48:07) but everybody has defects. (1:48:09) No, (1:48:09) no.(1:48:09) Yes. (1:48:10) Yeah. (1:48:11) Point 0, (1:48:12) 0, (1:48:12) 0, (1:48:12) 0, (1:48:12) 0, (1:48:13) 1 versus 10 times or whatever.(1:48:15) You know what I mean? (1:48:16) Yeah. (1:48:16) Like it’s just, (1:48:18) it’s frustrating. (1:48:20) Yeah.(1:48:21) Yes, (1:48:22) I would agree. (1:48:23) How does one address a single year, (1:48:27) a singular issue like this? (1:48:31) How does one separate it from the, (1:48:33) from everyone conflating it with religion? (1:48:37) Just because Mohammed had a cousin that he married that like, (1:48:42) that has to happen as it becomes a caliphate or whatever. (1:48:44) What’s that thing? (1:48:45) Right? (1:48:45) Like, (1:48:45) I don’t know that word statement.(1:48:47) Well, (1:48:47) basically it’s like a, (1:48:48) like a, (1:48:49) it’s almost like a, (1:48:50) almost like a commandment in a weird way. (1:48:52) Oh, (1:48:52) okay. (1:48:53) Almost kind of, (1:48:55) but it’s like, (1:48:56) that’s okay now.(1:48:58) But is it now? (1:48:59) It’s like, (1:48:59) now that we know this, (1:49:00) I’m not attacking the person’s faith because genetically speaking, (1:49:04) that child’s gonna, (1:49:06) could potentially be not so good. (1:49:10) So you’re asking, (1:49:11) how do you tackle the problem? (1:49:12) Yeah. (1:49:13) So, (1:49:14) um, (1:49:14) how do you speak with people whose faith, (1:49:20) I won’t, (1:49:21) I only say this way, (1:49:22) like demands that first cousin is offended that you bring up that first cousin (1:49:29) shouldn’t be married.(1:49:29) Let’s do it that way. (1:49:30) Of course. (1:49:31) Because maybe not everyone will do it.(1:49:32) Right. (1:49:33) But if you’re not offended by it, (1:49:34) by a big percentage. (1:49:36) Yeah.(1:49:36) How does one just say, (1:49:41) look, (1:49:41) you have a whole community of people from whom you can choose. (1:49:44) Hey, (1:49:45) marry a white girl. (1:49:47) Yeah.(1:49:47) Convert, (1:49:48) you’ll get more people. (1:49:50) Convert, (1:49:50) like get people into your, (1:49:52) you know, (1:49:52) grow that way. (1:49:53) That’s actually a good idea.(1:49:55) Yeah. (1:49:55) Um, (1:49:55) to your question, (1:49:56) there was two points in documentary that I, (1:49:58) that I jotted down. (1:50:00) One, (1:50:00) the government is not approaching it at the level of the country, (1:50:05) but they’re approaching it couple by couple with the genetic testing and (1:50:09) counseling, (1:50:09) as you mentioned.(1:50:10) Second, (1:50:11) um, (1:50:11) the doctors are going and they’re trying to get the help of the clergy. (1:50:15) And there was one Iman that, (1:50:17) that, (1:50:19) um, (1:50:20) gave us, (1:50:20) gave a talk with, (1:50:21) with the members of his clergy that I’m sorry, (1:50:24) with the members of his mosque, (1:50:27) uh, (1:50:27) about first couple of marriages and the statistics of first cousin marriages. (1:50:32) Um, (1:50:32) yes, (1:50:33) I’m sorry.(1:50:33) First cousin marriages and the statistics of, (1:50:35) um, (1:50:37) birth defects and birth rates that were issues, (1:50:39) et cetera. (1:50:39) So I don’t think that’s a bad approach of having non-government officials, (1:50:44) having medical professionals talking to members of the clergy of this group of (1:50:50) people and, (1:50:51) and saying, (1:50:51) Hey, (1:50:52) look, (1:50:52) we want you guys to be healthy. (1:50:54) You know, (1:50:54) we want, (1:50:55) we were on the same team.(1:50:56) We don’t want to be combative. (1:50:57) We want to, (1:50:58) we want the best outcome, (1:50:59) right? (1:51:00) And I love that. (1:51:02) How I would look at it to your question is that maybe I don’t want to say you (1:51:07) give, (1:51:07) give out flyers, (1:51:09) but maybe you, (1:51:12) you, (1:51:13) this is dumb.(1:51:14) Set up a Facebook group and say, (1:51:16) Hey, (1:51:17) you know, (1:51:18) this is the, (1:51:19) these are the rates of genetic disorders. (1:51:22) If you marry your first cousin, (1:51:24) you know, (1:51:24) we understand that this is a long tradition. (1:51:27) We respect your, (1:51:29) your culture.(1:51:31) However, (1:51:31) these are the things that could happen to your children. (1:51:34) And to a greater extent than the average by a large, (1:51:37) by noticeable margin. (1:51:39) This, (1:51:39) this is what’s going to affect risk.(1:51:40) It makes it a risk. (1:51:41) Yes. (1:51:42) But this is, (1:51:43) this is what could happen to your child, (1:51:45) your children.(1:51:46) This is the effect it’s going to have on you, (1:51:48) your legacy. (1:51:48) Correct. (1:51:49) This is what’s going to have the effect on the children that you may have that (1:51:52) are healthy.(1:51:53) The domino effect on the entire family, (1:51:57) your family, (1:51:57) the future. (1:51:58) Cause that child can’t procreate, (1:51:59) can’t have children. (1:52:00) Right.(1:52:02) Cause it wouldn’t be able to care for children. (1:52:04) Wouldn’t know how to, (1:52:05) I mean, (1:52:05) I would think that would be possible. (1:52:07) Right.(1:52:08) So do you, (1:52:09) do you have a, (1:52:10) do you have a grassroots movement in the community to go out? (1:52:14) And like I said, (1:52:15) I don’t want to say handout flyers, (1:52:17) but get people like they, (1:52:21) the producer of the show, (1:52:22) she talked to some younger Pakistani folks that were like, (1:52:26) this is no, (1:52:27) we don’t want to marry our first cousins. (1:52:28) Absolutely not. (1:52:29) Yeah.(1:52:29) So you get people like that that are in the community that are already on (1:52:36) that frame of mind that know that this is this, (1:52:40) this is not in the best interest of the community’s health and, (1:52:45) and tackle it from that perspective. (1:52:47) Yeah. (1:52:47) Cause if the government goes in and goes no more of this, (1:52:50) you’re, (1:52:50) you’re, (1:52:51) you’re, (1:52:51) you’re going to lose.(1:52:52) Right. (1:52:52) You’re screwed. (1:52:53) Well, (1:52:54) what’s really hard about that is even if I disagreed with it, (1:52:58) what makes me an activist? (1:53:00) Why would I want to like, (1:53:01) where’s my skin in the game to give a shit about what they do? (1:53:05) You mean one of the youngsters I mentioned? (1:53:07) Yeah.(1:53:07) Like where’s their motivation to do it other than thinking like you have to be (1:53:11) forced into a first cousin marriage. (1:53:13) You’re not forced, (1:53:14) but they just disagree with it. (1:53:15) Right.(1:53:15) They, (1:53:15) they, (1:53:16) all I’m saying is they disagree with the first cousin marriage. (1:53:18) Right. (1:53:18) Yeah.(1:53:19) But there’s a very huge gap between not agreeing with it and being an (1:53:24) activist to like protest it. (1:53:27) Right. (1:53:28) They have to bridge that gap.(1:53:29) I’m, (1:53:30) I’m curious about that. (1:53:32) The, (1:53:32) the generation. (1:53:34) Yeah.(1:53:34) I, (1:53:34) it’s a very good point. (1:53:35) How much motivation the generation is or how motivated the generation is (1:53:39) to not only not agree with it themselves, (1:53:43) which is once again, (1:53:44) good, (1:53:45) but how to help their community, (1:53:48) you know, (1:53:49) be, (1:53:50) you know, (1:53:50) bring it to the communities. (1:53:51) Cause that takes effort.(1:53:53) It takes effort. (1:53:54) It’s easy for yourself to just say, (1:53:55) I won’t do it. (1:53:56) But like to, (1:53:57) to speak on it and go on rallies and to do all that takes time, (1:54:01) takes energy, (1:54:02) takes effort.(1:54:02) Right. (1:54:04) So absolutely. (1:54:05) I don’t know.(1:54:06) Just a thought, (1:54:09) but yeah. (1:54:11) And to your point. (1:54:12) So I love that the one-on-one they had this, (1:54:15) it was like, (1:54:16) it’s almost like they were using an algorithm of some sort to find the best (1:54:19) candidates to have these one-on-one conversations, (1:54:23) right? (1:54:23) These counseling sessions where they find you individually.(1:54:26) And I thought that was a really good way to tackle this problem to your (1:54:29) point. (1:54:30) Yeah. (1:54:30) Cause I think you can change, (1:54:31) you can at least open someone’s eyes a little bit.(1:54:34) And if they can, (1:54:35) if that person tells a person or tells two, (1:54:39) you get the Amway effect. (1:54:40) Yeah, (1:54:41) absolutely. (1:54:42) It is a really good way to do that too.(1:54:45) So then we get to this point though, (1:54:47) this is where it gets interesting. (1:54:51) You and I live in the United States. (1:54:53) We live in America.(1:54:54) We always talk about our, (1:54:55) you know, (1:54:57) constitution, (1:54:57) Bill of Rights, (1:54:58) all our freedoms and all that stuff. (1:55:00) Yes. (1:55:03) Would outlawing first cousin marriages be okay? (1:55:11) Is that acceptable? (1:55:13) Because by outlawing it, (1:55:15) they will have children with non first cousins and solve the problem that (1:55:22) directly.(1:55:23) Are there laws in the U S that already state that there are laws against (1:55:27) marriage when it regards to, (1:55:29) with regards to consent. (1:55:31) So like you can’t marry an animal, (1:55:33) for example. (1:55:34) Well, (1:55:34) I know, (1:55:35) I know, (1:55:36) but once, (1:55:37) well, (1:55:37) I’m using that as a simple thing, (1:55:39) just as, (1:55:39) as a, (1:55:39) as a piece of say, (1:55:41) an animal can’t consent.(1:55:42) Just like you can’t marry a child under 18. (1:55:45) He was my next comment. (1:55:46) Okay.(1:55:47) So it was in addition to that. (1:55:48) But we don’t know if there’s a law in any state that says you cannot marry (1:55:52) your cousin. (1:55:53) I don’t believe there is a law prohibiting.(1:55:57) Now, (1:55:57) allegedly there are countries that haven’t, (1:55:59) I did not look a list of those. (1:56:00) I didn’t want to get, (1:56:01) I wanted to talk philosophically about this. (1:56:03) Answer your question.(1:56:04) Yes. (1:56:04) I believe there should be a law that says you’re not allowed to marry your (1:56:07) first fucking cousin. (1:56:09) What do you think? (1:56:10) I’m really torn.(1:56:11) Cause I’m such an individual freedom person with my responsibility. (1:56:17) I know if Meg Z was my cousin and I were to marry her and we wanted to have (1:56:24) children. (1:56:25) You’re marrying a Korean dude.(1:56:27) Are you going to be, (1:56:28) are you going to have to husband and a wife? (1:56:31) It’s called a menage. (1:56:32) Okay. (1:56:33) Jeff.(1:56:34) Um, (1:56:35) no, (1:56:35) but, (1:56:38) so where was I now? (1:56:39) You’re going to, (1:56:40) you’re going to marry me. (1:56:41) He’s not your cousin. (1:56:42) He’s my first cousin.(1:56:43) We get married and we consider having children. (1:56:46) We go, (1:56:48) all right, (1:56:49) let’s take a test already. (1:56:50) Okay.(1:56:51) If there’s any, (1:56:51) any recessive gene that we share right off the table, (1:56:54) we’ve got adoption. (1:56:55) We’ve got IVF. (1:56:57) We’ve got all these different ways to tackle it.(1:56:59) We would be responsible in doing that. (1:57:02) I would expect or hope that everyone else would be responsible in doing that. (1:57:08) However, (1:57:09) they wouldn’t.(1:57:10) Of course not. (1:57:12) Well, (1:57:12) welcome to pound a dollar sign. (1:57:15) Humanity.(1:57:15) Yeah. (1:57:16) Pound sign humanity, (1:57:18) right? (1:57:19) Like, (1:57:19) duh. (1:57:21) No, (1:57:22) the humans go the shortest route is usually, (1:57:25) it’s just generally how it is like, (1:57:26) well, (1:57:27) you’re not prohibiting it and I can banger, (1:57:30) so I’ll just not pull out this time or whatever.(1:57:34) I don’t, (1:57:34) you know what I mean? (1:57:35) You’re an idiot. (1:57:38) I’m an idiot. (1:57:41) We’ll clip that one out.(1:57:42) But yeah, (1:57:43) right. (1:57:43) Does that make sense? (1:57:44) And of course, (1:57:45) yeah, (1:57:46) it makes perfect sense. (1:57:47) So we’re approaching two hours.(1:57:49) What else you got over there? (1:57:50) That’s pretty much it. (1:57:51) I was just looking at, (1:57:52) uh, (1:57:53) there was this website, (1:57:54) uh, (1:57:54) the Muslim times cousin marriage is a fair and balanced view. (1:57:57) And is it truly fair and balanced? (1:57:59) Well, (1:58:00) I’m, (1:58:00) I can’t, (1:58:01) no, (1:58:01) nothing.(1:58:02) Look, (1:58:02) nothing is fair and balanced. (1:58:05) So when it says it, (1:58:06) when anything says it’s fair and balanced, (1:58:08) it’s definitely not. (1:58:09) Well, (1:58:09) that’s, (1:58:10) I mean, (1:58:10) it’s like, (1:58:11) trust me.(1:58:13) Let’s be honest. (1:58:14) Can I be honest with you? (1:58:15) Yeah. (1:58:16) Dot, (1:58:16) dot.(1:58:16) I’m going to be lying. (1:58:17) The next sentence is going to be a lie. (1:58:19) Hi, (1:58:20) I’m going to lie.(1:58:21) Can I just lie directly to your face this time? (1:58:23) Thank you. (1:58:24) I mean, (1:58:24) someone says, (1:58:25) can I be honest with you? (1:58:26) So you’ve been lying the entire other part of our relationship. (1:58:30) Skip the middleman.(1:58:31) Thanks for awesome friendship, (1:58:32) Dick. (1:58:32) Thank you. (1:58:36) And that’s what it is.(1:58:37) So we come across this and fair and balanced. (1:58:40) There’s not, (1:58:41) everyone has an agenda. (1:58:43) You and I do have a deep buried agenda.(1:58:46) It just happens to be, (1:58:48) it does correlate with the human bastardization of one’s personal relationship with that higher power. (1:58:57) If they have that right, (1:58:59) that’s what religions are. (1:59:00) We kind of have a deep seated issue.(1:59:05) Yeah. (1:59:06) I mean, (1:59:06) you could call it an agenda in a weird way, (1:59:08) but, (1:59:08) but we’re not wrong with it. (1:59:10) You know, (1:59:10) does that make sense? (1:59:11) Like we’re not wrong to have the agenda, (1:59:12) but it doesn’t change the fact that we have it.(1:59:15) Yes. (1:59:16) Right. (1:59:16) Like Al Gore and his climate change, (1:59:21) you know, (1:59:22) like he, (1:59:23) just cause he had it in propagated or whatever made the movie doesn’t mean it wasn’t happening.(1:59:28) Right. (1:59:29) It was going to happen either way. (1:59:30) It doesn’t mean it was.(1:59:31) Right. (1:59:31) Exactly. (1:59:32) Right.(1:59:32) So it’s kind of like that to that point. (1:59:34) Yes. (1:59:34) Right.(1:59:35) So anyway, (1:59:36) can you send me that article, (1:59:37) please? (1:59:37) This one? (1:59:38) Yeah. (1:59:38) After this. (1:59:38) Yes, (1:59:39) absolutely.(1:59:40) Maybe I’ll put on a liner notes or something. (1:59:42) Okay. (1:59:42) Let me see if I can copy and paste.(1:59:44) I’m trying to read it all. (1:59:45) It’s, (1:59:46) it’s just a lot. (1:59:47) And they, (1:59:48) the numbers that, (1:59:49) that this thing is showing is like it’s point it’s two and a hundred change or something, (1:59:54) but that’s not the numbers I’m seeing.(1:59:56) And I know genetics. (1:59:57) If you share, (1:59:58) if you share a recessive gene, (2:00:00) it is a one in four. (2:00:01) I had same thing for, (2:00:02) I hope it’s correct term.(2:00:04) Still dwarfism. (2:00:06) I hope that’s what it’s called. (2:00:08) We’re not meant to, (2:00:08) we’re not trying to offend, (2:00:09) right? (2:00:10) Once again, (2:00:10) I don’t know.(2:00:11) I believe it’s dwarfism is the correct term, (2:00:13) but that I believe if two little people, (2:00:17) people of little descent, (2:00:18) I would, (2:00:19) the fuck do you say now? (2:00:21) Little people, (2:00:22) people that are little because isn’t it now like people of color, (2:00:25) it’s people that are smaller. (2:00:28) I don’t know. (2:00:29) I apologize.(2:00:30) I apologize. (2:00:31) But dwarfism runs, (2:00:32) genetically same thing. (2:00:33) Same.(2:00:34) So it’s 25, (2:00:35) right? (2:00:35) It’s that same 25%, (2:00:36) 50% this way, (2:00:38) 25% this way, (2:00:39) blah, (2:00:39) blah, (2:00:39) blah, (2:00:39) blah. (2:00:39) Where’d you go? (2:00:41) Where’d you go? (2:00:42) I went this way. (2:00:43) He went that way.(2:00:44) So, (2:00:44) um, (2:00:45) I think we covered it. (2:00:46) I think we spoke pretty well about it. (2:00:48) I have two final points.(2:00:49) Oh, (2:00:49) please, (2:00:50) sir, (2:00:50) get me out of this. (2:00:52) So I, (2:00:53) I sent the documentary to several friends that are, (2:00:57) um, (2:00:58) very religious people. (2:00:59) And I wanted their take on this.(2:01:02) So one, (2:01:03) um, (2:01:03) buddy of mine got back to me (2:01:06) and this was his response. (2:01:08) And I asked if I could quote him on this. (2:01:10) So I’m quoting a friend of mine.(2:01:12) Okay. (2:01:13) And I apologize if this is a little rough. (2:01:19) And so I quote, (2:01:20) and we’re not going to docks him.(2:01:22) No. (2:01:23) And I asked him if I could use his name and I, (2:01:26) and I won’t, (2:01:27) but, (2:01:27) and I said, (2:01:27) can I quote you? (2:01:28) He said, (2:01:28) yes, (2:01:28) here we go. (2:01:30) Quote, (2:01:31) this is genocide without question.(2:01:36) It would appear whomever infiltrated this in the UK (2:01:42) way back when is tackling the Pakistanis in a couple different directions. (2:01:46) One allowing inbreeding, (2:01:49) which is a proven fact to create life with natural born preexisting conditions, (2:01:55) which can lead to death or incapable of functioning in society. (2:02:01) Two, (2:02:02) destroying the families that already exists within questioning their existence, (2:02:07) causing unnatural confusion, (2:02:10) telling them that it’s okay to kiss your cousin.(2:02:13) Three, (2:02:15) since Pakistani cousins are seeing what’s happening within newlyweds are probably not having babies. (2:02:21) So that’s that end quote. (2:02:22) That’s an interesting point.(2:02:23) Are they, (2:02:24) are newlyweds no longer having babies? (2:02:26) I don’t know. (2:02:26) So this is the last thing he said, (2:02:29) which is we need to get him a tinfoil hat and have him on here. (2:02:33) Cause this is amazing comment.(2:02:34) I don’t necessarily agree with it. (2:02:35) This is his opinion only. (2:02:37) I do not endorse it.(2:02:39) The last comment is a perfect way to get rid of a growing Pakistani population in the UK. (2:02:46) So that’s kind of a conspiracy theory. (2:02:48) Kind of like, (2:02:50) did the Chinese make COVID and release it on their own people? (2:02:54) Or did the COVID get released by the Chinese in the US? (2:02:57) Same kind of idea.(2:02:59) I mean, (2:03:00) that’s, (2:03:00) if that’s a horrible thought, (2:03:06) obviously humans have done worse things through the dawn of time. (2:03:10) And it’s borderline conspiracy theory, (2:03:13) but I’m going to say it’s, (2:03:16) right now, (2:03:17) without any further research, (2:03:20) it’s a bit of a stretch. (2:03:21) And I would agree.(2:03:22) The reason I say this, (2:03:24) and I, (2:03:24) and I, (2:03:25) I have to only disagree with the comment. (2:03:27) Please, (2:03:28) only on its face because of the lack of information we have right now. (2:03:32) Yeah.(2:03:32) We need to vet this. (2:03:33) Yeah. (2:03:34) But I, (2:03:35) who said it’s a growing population? (2:03:37) Who said it’s growing? (2:03:38) We don’t know.(2:03:38) Right. (2:03:39) We don’t know what. (2:03:39) You know what I’m saying? (2:03:40) So who, (2:03:41) no one.(2:03:41) It, (2:03:41) it, (2:03:42) I’ve not heard a single statement about the Pakistani or an infestation. (2:03:46) Right. (2:03:46) That they’re running rampant and, (2:03:48) and just infecting the colony.(2:03:50) We don’t know that statistic. (2:03:51) They’re saying that in this one community of the Pakistani that are married, (2:03:57) 75% are to their first cousin. (2:03:59) That is a fact.(2:04:00) The other one is 50%. (2:04:02) They’re saying of the Pakistan, (2:04:03) they’re not saying Pakistani or. (2:04:05) A growing number.(2:04:06) Like cockroaches just. (2:04:07) Right. (2:04:08) Multiplying like rabbits.(2:04:09) Right. (2:04:09) They’re not saying that. (2:04:10) Right.(2:04:10) Maybe, (2:04:11) maybe there is an underlying. (2:04:12) That’s why we always talk about this. (2:04:13) Once again, (2:04:14) you and I grain of salt, (2:04:15) right? (2:04:16) We don’t know that information.(2:04:17) We watched the documentary. (2:04:18) Yeah. (2:04:19) It could be 100% agenda driven.(2:04:21) It is agenda driven. (2:04:22) It’s stating in my opinion, (2:04:25) correct genetic truths that first cousin children have a very high likelihood of having genetic (2:04:32) defects that cost everyone their time, (2:04:35) money, (2:04:35) life, (2:04:36) pain, (2:04:37) suffering. (2:04:38) It’s child abuse.(2:04:39) Even before the child’s born, (2:04:42) it’s child abuse. (2:04:43) In my opinion, (2:04:45) that’s that. (2:04:46) And the data that they are data that they shared points to that.(2:04:53) That said, (2:04:54) it definitely has an agenda. (2:04:56) We have, (2:04:57) we, (2:04:57) you know, (2:04:58) I’m open to seeing another side. (2:05:00) If someone can present empirical data that or data, (2:05:05) it’s of a scientific nature, (2:05:09) right? (2:05:09) Yeah.(2:05:10) Like not some mean that’s box says, (2:05:12) you know, (2:05:13) first cousin marriages are cool. (2:05:14) Yeah. (2:05:15) Nanu Nanu or whatever the fuck live long and prosper, (2:05:17) whatever.(2:05:18) Yeah. (2:05:18) All that live long and prosper with your first cousin. (2:05:20) Right.(2:05:20) I don’t know. (2:05:21) Whatever. (2:05:22) Star Trek.(2:05:22) Yeah. (2:05:23) I’m not gonna see that. (2:05:23) He was cause he was a science officer.(2:05:25) Right. (2:05:25) Sure. (2:05:26) Anyway, (2:05:27) I don’t know, (2:05:28) man.(2:05:28) That’s about all I got. (2:05:29) I have one final point and I saved it for the end because I was really, (2:05:33) I was really moved and touched by, (2:05:35) by this one is a very, (2:05:37) very brief clip of an, (2:05:40) an older woman, (2:05:41) Pakistani. (2:05:42) And she said that the, (2:05:46) the, (2:05:47) the first cousin marriages in the community has to be addressed because it’s (2:05:53) having negative impacts on the youth and the look of concern on her face.(2:05:59) That she, (2:06:00) she knew you, (2:06:02) she looked like a, (2:06:02) she was 60, (2:06:04) 63 ish, (2:06:05) something in there, (2:06:05) but she knew that it was, (2:06:07) she, (2:06:08) she knew it was a problem. (2:06:09) You could just see it and you, (2:06:12) she could, (2:06:12) you could see the suffering. (2:06:14) And so she, (2:06:15) to me that, (2:06:16) that shows that there’s hope even in the elderly community, (2:06:20) elderly, (2:06:20) I’m using that word loosely in the older folks that, (2:06:23) that she can see that times are changing and, (2:06:28) and this is not the right thing to do because of the things that are (2:06:34) happening.(2:06:35) And I was, (2:06:36) I thought that was a really positive way to look at it in a positive way to (2:06:41) put a bow tie on it. (2:06:44) What I took from that was even more powerful emotionally. (2:06:49) Yes.(2:06:50) The grandmother is a nurturer, (2:06:53) a raiser, (2:06:54) had children and then had children’s children raised. (2:06:58) If anyone can see the negative impact that children are having from this, (2:07:05) it would be her. (2:07:06) Absolutely.(2:07:07) Yeah. (2:07:07) She has a front row seat. (2:07:10) Yeah.(2:07:11) Cause she was a mother and then as a grandmother raised, (2:07:16) I mean, (2:07:16) you know, (2:07:16) that’s still a lot of family community type things where they raise a family (2:07:19) together and whatnot. (2:07:22) So she would be the first line at the one to see the problem in the first (2:07:26) place. (2:07:27) So it’s even more powerful because it’s the matriarch, (2:07:30) literally the matriarch of the family.(2:07:32) Grandmother is the major. (2:07:33) I’m great. (2:07:33) Grandmother is kind of over the hill.(2:07:35) Usually grandmother is always more of the matriarch, (2:07:38) right? (2:07:40) That role, (2:07:41) like as sitting in that role, (2:07:43) she sees how it’s negatively affecting. (2:07:46) Of course. (2:07:47) That is so telling to me.(2:07:50) Yeah. (2:07:50) She doesn’t have scientific data. (2:07:52) She just knows.(2:07:53) Correct. (2:07:54) They’re off. (2:07:55) Correct.(2:07:55) She knows that something’s off. (2:07:58) Yep. (2:07:58) Correct.(2:08:00) Whether it’s, (2:08:01) you know, (2:08:01) blindness or other, (2:08:02) some are minor, (2:08:03) some are much more minor, (2:08:05) but they’re still defects, (2:08:06) right? (2:08:06) Genetic disorders. (2:08:07) But if you see that the disorders are running rampant, (2:08:11) right? (2:08:11) That’s a red flashing warning sign. (2:08:13) How many we’ve all walked by someone who denies who they are, (2:08:18) who they truly are.(2:08:19) And we know who they are. (2:08:21) We go, (2:08:22) we know that’s that, (2:08:23) that person is whatever. (2:08:24) And that person, (2:08:26) and they haven’t acknowledged it themselves yet.(2:08:29) Right. (2:08:29) Right. (2:08:29) You know what I mean? (2:08:30) Yeah.(2:08:30) And we’re just like, (2:08:31) it’s totally cool. (2:08:32) It’s not an issue. (2:08:33) We just know it, (2:08:34) right? (2:08:34) We just know.(2:08:35) And that’s what the grandmother, (2:08:36) she senses it all. (2:08:39) It’s off, (2:08:39) off in not in a nonjudgmental way. (2:08:42) Right.(2:08:42) It’s diff. (2:08:43) It’s not what she’s used to the experience being. (2:08:46) And she wants things to get better, (2:08:48) right? (2:08:48) She wants it to be back to the way she experienced the children before.(2:08:52) Of course. (2:08:52) Which, (2:08:53) which seems to be healthier. (2:08:54) Obviously what I’m trying to be, (2:08:55) I’m trying to be as completely peel back from judgment as possible.(2:08:59) Right? (2:09:00) Like she sees the difference in the children. (2:09:03) I’m not going to say positive or negative because that’s a judgment, (2:09:05) but she sees a difference. (2:09:07) She sees it as negative though.(2:09:09) Yeah. (2:09:09) Because she said negative impact. (2:09:10) Correct.(2:09:11) And it, (2:09:12) it’s, (2:09:13) it’s just, (2:09:13) it hurts your heart. (2:09:16) Absolutely. (2:09:18) So, (2:09:18) I mean, (2:09:18) I wish them all the best.(2:09:19) I, (2:09:20) I, (2:09:20) you know, (2:09:20) I feel, (2:09:21) I feel really bad and I got choked up towards the end. (2:09:24) Seeing that 14 year old, (2:09:26) that’s the 18 year old kid who acts like he’s 14 with the glasses and that, (2:09:30) that 17 year old boy just suffering and they have such a hard life and that’s (2:09:34) just, (2:09:35) it really sucks. (2:09:36) It really sucks for the innocent, (2:09:38) you know, (2:09:38) I know I’ve said that word three times now, (2:09:39) but that’s what they are.(2:09:40) They don’t know any better. (2:09:41) They’re, (2:09:42) they’re completely not at fault and they’re the ones who are suffering and (2:09:46) that’s really, (2:09:46) really sad. (2:09:47) There’s no other way to say it.(2:09:49) It is really sad. (2:09:50) I hope they’re going to be okay. (2:09:51) You know, (2:09:51) I really do.(2:09:53) Yeah, (2:09:53) I know what you mean. (2:09:55) Well, (2:09:56) that was another, (2:09:57) a little heavier one. (2:09:58) A little bit.(2:09:59) We had a little fun with it. (2:10:00) I mean, (2:10:00) heavy lifting, (2:10:01) bro. (2:10:01) We did some heavy lifting.(2:10:02) Teddy bro. (2:10:03) Good job. (2:10:04) Thank you for coming again and thank you once again for both of the podcast (2:10:10) because like, (2:10:11) I don’t want to talk about heavy shit alone and I don’t want to laugh alone.(2:10:14) So thanks for, (2:10:16) you’re welcome. (2:10:17) Thanks for driving at times. (2:10:19) Taking the wheel.(2:10:21) And so, (2:10:22) and for, (2:10:22) and for navigating at other times and changing radio and being in control of the (2:10:25) radio station at all times. (2:10:27) This has been another Knocked Conscious. (2:10:29) Once again, (2:10:29) we were talking about, (2:10:30) um, (2:10:30) first cousin marriages, (2:10:32) which lead to children, (2:10:34) uh, (2:10:35) which have very high, (2:10:38) high, (2:10:38) uh, (2:10:39) chances of genetic, (2:10:40) rare genetic disorders, (2:10:42) defects, (2:10:42) things like that.(2:10:43) Are you going to be posting some of those links? (2:10:45) I am. (2:10:46) Okay. (2:10:46) I will be posting as much as I can.(2:10:49) I’m going to post the video. (2:10:51) Okay. (2:10:51) And then any of these searches that I did, (2:10:53) I’ll just put them up there.(2:10:55) I haven’t looked at all of them, (2:10:57) but you know, (2:10:58) parts of all of them for yourself. (2:10:59) Yeah, (2:11:00) I absolutely. (2:11:01) And that’s what I encourage other listeners read up on it, (2:11:04) you know, (2:11:04) see for yourself, (2:11:06) look, (2:11:07) you know, (2:11:07) are we totally full of shit? (2:11:08) As I said on the Catholic podcast, (2:11:10) read for yourself and see, (2:11:13) see where you can make a difference and see where I know this is in the UK, (2:11:17) but we’ve got a couple of listeners there.(2:11:19) So look, (2:11:21) yes, (2:11:21) it’s a cultural thing. (2:11:22) Yes. (2:11:22) People can say that it’s a religious thing.(2:11:25) And I see why people would say that, (2:11:27) but read, (2:11:29) educate yourself. (2:11:30) Knowledge is power. (2:11:31) And the more you know, (2:11:34) the better.(2:11:34) That’s just, (2:11:35) that’s just the way it is. (2:11:37) May I close it with one thing I could say? (2:11:40) Absolutely, (2:11:41) sir. (2:11:41) I am 100% certain that it is not a sin to not marry your first cousin.(2:11:49) Yes, (2:11:50) sir. (2:11:51) So right there with this other heavy, (2:11:54) strong evidence and data, (2:11:56) science, (2:11:57) genetics, (2:11:58) all that, (2:11:59) you know, (2:12:00) it’s, (2:12:00) it’s not like it’s against God’s will to do so. (2:12:04) Correct.(2:12:04) So just don’t do it. (2:12:06) Yeah, (2:12:06) it’s not, (2:12:07) I, (2:12:07) right. (2:12:08) I’m not trying to simplify it and, (2:12:11) and belittle anyone’s faith, (2:12:13) but it’s not against God to not marry your first cousin.(2:12:18) Correct. (2:12:18) It’s very traditional and it make, (2:12:22) it makes, (2:12:23) you know, (2:12:23) communal sense to an extent. (2:12:25) It makes a lot of sense in a lot of different ways, (2:12:27) except for the one way that really matters is propagation of your people, (2:12:32) your species, (2:12:32) your culture, (2:12:33) your heritage, (2:12:34) your, (2:12:34) all that.(2:12:35) It will get lost. (2:12:37) It will get lost. (2:12:39) You have, (2:12:40) Pakistani people have a rich culture.(2:12:43) You don’t want to lose that. (2:12:45) Absolutely. (2:12:46) Wait, (2:12:46) nobody wants to lose that.(2:12:48) Legacy is really the only thing that a people’s have. (2:12:54) True. (2:12:55) So, (2:12:56) you know, (2:12:56) it’s not against God to not do it.(2:12:59) So, (2:13:01) um, (2:13:01) don’t, (2:13:02) you know, (2:13:02) don’t do it. (2:13:04) Maybe. (2:13:05) Um, (2:13:06) Twitter world, (2:13:07) what do you think? (2:13:07) Tell us what you think.(2:13:10) And please, (2:13:11) if you, (2:13:12) if you’ve listened to any podcasts of ours, (2:13:15) any, (2:13:15) I know I’m sounding like a baggy fucking used car salesman right now. (2:13:18) You want to handle it? (2:13:20) You want? (2:13:20) Yeah. (2:13:20) Yeah.(2:13:21) You got it. (2:13:21) Hello, (2:13:22) Twitter world. (2:13:23) I don’t do it very good.(2:13:24) No, (2:13:24) just do it. (2:13:24) rate, (2:13:25) download. 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