A conversation about concussions, TBI, and CTE (references in the show notes)

Chris and Mark discuss concussions, TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury), and CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy). They also offer some suggestions on how these conditions can be minimized now and in the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy
https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/related_conditions/chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy-(cte)#:~:text=Chronic%20traumatic%20encephalopathy%20(CTE)%20is,changes%20including%20aggression%20and%20depression.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/aaron-hernandez-suffered-from-most-severe-cte-ever-found-in-a-person-his-age/2017/11/09/fa7cd204-c57b-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html
Intro Music: “Blue Scorpion” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
Dive Horn: https://freesound.org/s/104882
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Dolphin: https://freesound.org/s/456151
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Transcript:

(0:00) Are you ready now? Yes, okay (0:21) Hola (0:22) Welcome. I don’t know how that’s gonna come across but welcome everybody. Phenomenal.I’m smiling. Hi. Hola (0:29) I just went through my bipolarism.I was really angry like two seconds ago. Now it snapped out of it. How’d that happen? (0:33) Isn’t that amazing? It’s almost like I was unable to control my impulses.Oh (0:38) That’s not ironical at all. Not ironical at all. Not at all.I don’t like this video thing, bro (0:42) But we’re gonna do it. So broadcasting live from the treehouse in Phoenix, Arizona (0:47) everybody (0:50) welcome to (0:52) Knocked Conscious (0:53) We’re going back video. I think we’re just sick of the stills (0:58) We’re going with a one camera.I don’t give a crap (1:00) We’re in the same room, even though it looks like there’s a divider right there. Like we’re on on the Skype or the zooms (1:06) Right there. It looks like a divider.But look he’s (1:09) Poked my eye out. Oh boy, but it looks like a divider (1:12) So we’re just gonna play it like we’re in two different rooms because it literally does look dude (1:15) I can cross-check you you can stick of fury me. We’re not I would like to present the stick of fury.That is it (1:22) Don Don Don Don (1:24) Tell him what he’s won the stick of fury the stick of aforementioned stick of fury (1:28) This is not social distancing. No, we’re socially and hey, no touching we’re socially no touching (1:35) Yeah, Knocked Conscious everybody (1:40) So good morning. Good morning.Good morning. Yes, it is a nice Sunday (1:47) It is right now (1:50) This and rocks Anders is officially rocks Anders. We saw it has been for we have a couple weeks (1:55) We even officially created Ava stare.No, look Ava. Look what’s I forget who it was? (2:01) but we officially have a blind Ava what she’s looking at and what she sees and (2:07) Just to be clear (2:08) There’s gonna be a picture (2:08) Kind of which kind of an overview what she’s looking at then kind of that’s the dog then the thing that she’s looking at my (2:14) Dogs, right? Yes. Okay Ava, of course.It’s a well (2:17) I everyone I know someone with a dog. I mean with a person at the child. Oh my god (2:21) Yes, no, well a daughter named Ava, yeah Ava Mendez’s hmm, I (2:28) Mean what she’s Eva anyway, or whatever.Anyway, so we’ve created our blind dog account. Yes (2:34) So we’ll be the picture of the dog. Look you have it’ll be the picture of the dog looking at (2:39) At the object then the object itself if you were to look at it (2:43) And then the third picture will always be a black square because that’s what she actually sees (2:48) It’ll literally be like her what she’s looking at and a black square.It’s awesome (2:55) Thank You Meg Z Meg Z set it up. So, you know kudos to her very well done Meg Z (3:03) We start off a little light, but you know what we have fun anyway, even on our serious topics (3:07) But this one’s pretty serious. Yes, and (3:10) I’m gonna now mount the stick of fury into the holder.We have a stick of fury holder (3:15) Thought you had it like all the way that was nice. It was really secure. Here we go.This is like oh my god (3:22) It’s like Plinko. Are you still? (3:24) I’m sorry, man (3:29) $5,000 (3:31) so (3:33) Seriousness. Yes with all due seriousness, sir.What are we talking about today? CTE? (3:39) Which may I try it? (3:41) I can do the first you do the tourist. I’ll take a neck (3:46) traumatic and (3:48) cephalopathy (3:49) Yeah (3:50) encephalopathy. Yes encephalopathy.Yes encephalopathy (3:54) CTE. Yep, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, which in other words (4:00) head stuff brain trauma, let’s just be (4:04) extreme, but I mean it’s it’s a (4:07) degenerative disease where the brain (4:11) due to multiple head injuries (4:13) over time (4:15) becomes severely (4:20) degraded how else would you want to say it and (4:23) It is physical as far as we know it’s from a physical standpoint. We don’t know if well, there’s emotional (4:30) Emotional can create like PTSD, but we don’t know if emotional stress can also create some kind of CT (4:36) We don’t know that it’s a physical (4:38) Injury, right? It’s from the head multiple.Yes (4:42) repeated (4:44) in (4:45) Contact right in in correct to the to the head. Yeah, or you know head neck area. Yes, correct and (4:52) This one’s really important because we we look we watch sports (4:56) I mean everyone sports at some point but things have changed but for you, this is really close (5:02) Well, both of us have had well, they’re called TBI traumatic brain injury (5:06) Both of us have had those and in addition to that (5:10) I mean I played football in high school and I’m was a die-hard football fan NFL (5:16) for (5:17) decades and decades my parents had (5:19) La Rams season tickets for 25 years.So I’ve been to I mean I met the quarterback. I’ve been to the games for (5:28) Tons of times I went to USC games (5:31) Over and over, you know (5:32) I I got to meet a couple players and go on the field and so I’m a huge football fan since I was born (5:40) You know, so seeing some of your heroes (5:44) that you watch (5:46) since the age of (5:48) High school grow up and then got some of the guys that I idolized playing the Super Bowl and then they take their own life (5:57) that’s that’s (5:58) Horrible, is there a name right off the top of your head that sticks out? Absolutely (6:02) I know which one you’re talking about as soon as I started as soon as we decided to do this and I started making notes (6:10) before (6:12) Checkmark sent me a list of hey, man, maybe you should check out this article. Hey, man (6:15) Check out this video before I even looked at anything before I read anything, you know (6:21) New York Times Washington Post a little bit of Wikipedia a TED talk before I did any of that the (6:29) First thing I wrote was Junior Seau the first thing I knew I knew and I it’s exactly where you’re gonna well he (6:36) He’s from Southern, California, you know half hour from where I grew up he went to USC (6:41) I saw him play at USC played with the Chargers and he played state linebacker (6:46) Like I did he was Samoan.I played with the Samoans in high school (6:51) I played with the uncle of Troy Polamalu who also played at USC who played with the Pittsburgh Steelers (6:57) so I had a bunch of Samoan friends, so it was like (7:03) I that was my guy. I loved him and then he went to the Patriots and I was never a Patriots fan (7:08) But I wanted the Patriots to win the Super Bowl that year whatever year that was (7:12) Because I wanted you to see how to win one Super Bowl at least because the Chargers were never really (7:18) Meaningful, I guess whatever you want to say, but well, they they were in a really tough division their whole life (7:22) Oh, yeah, and the Broncos who who were always in Super Bowls? (7:26) I mean when you think from like the 70s on correct? Yes, you’re absolutely right (7:30) So I always liked him. I always liked him since the day that I saw him at USC (7:35) I was like this guy’s an animal and he but he was a cool guy down-to-earth (7:40) And but he hustled and he never gave up and I always admired that about him through his entire NFL career (7:47) He was like that, too (7:48) So I followed him from the age of 18 until you know (7:52) He passed away at the age of 43 and that that’s a long answer to your question.I’m very sorry (7:57) And he did it smiling (7:59) Yeah, but he was like it’s he yeah, if you were to have a poster child right now like Patrick Mahomes, for example (8:04) It’s like a poster child, right? He’s super nice. He hasn’t found any flaws. He’s talented.He’s humble. He’s fun (8:11) He’s he’s down-to-earth (8:12) Junior say I was just this aw shucks super sweet. At least that’s what we saw (8:17) Yeah may have been different behind closed doors (8:19) But that’s what we saw never missed a game like when you look that he killed himself.I never missed a game (8:26) He how the heck could you have not how could you have this thing without a can being out ever for a concussion and (8:34) The answer is probably he’s had them and he never told anybody, right? (8:37) I mean, of course pretty obvious and that was also I mean he was (8:40) He was in I’m thinking got drafted in the NFL in 92 or 93 something around there. So it was a different age (8:47) It was so you didn’t you know (8:50) The term was you got your bell rung, right? (8:52) You just okay. You got up and you kept playing.That’s just the deal. That’s what that’s what happened to me. So (8:58) You just that’s what that’s the deal (9:01) But that answers your question junior sale.Absolutely. I knew I knew (9:05) No, just because of the the whole connection with yeah. Yeah (9:09) I mean you grew up right right a half hour for me and and my understanding he shot himself in the chest (9:14) So he could get his brain (9:15) T (9:17) Diagnosed right with a shotgun.Yeah, can you believe that? (9:21) That no, have you as you if you ever heard of somebody (9:25) Committing suicide with a shotgun in the chest. No Kurt Cobain’s the only other one (9:30) Exactly. Well, he was I think he was murdered as well.I mean we should talk about that later, but I’ve never ever ever heard of somebody (9:39) Shooting themselves in the chest correct let alone with a shotgun or with any weapon no in the chest (9:45) No, it’s ridiculous. That’s that’s an unheard of it sounds (9:50) Completely illogical. Yeah, like you would you would think you just take a handful of pills (9:55) Like I don’t think that would affect your brain.Well, that’s what I read a couple other players have done that just easier (10:01) They did so much. They took some pills some opioids stop breathing right now. I’m sorry.I’m not trying to make light of that (10:07) Well, right just saying if I’d be I’d take the chicken way out (10:11) I’m I don’t think a cutting or or (10:14) Explosions in my face are I don’t think I have the guts or even in your chest anywhere any explosion that would hurt (10:20) Yeah, no, I’d rather just fade away. I (10:25) Have to agree with you (10:27) Okay, and so why and so we talked about junior sound and he’ll come up multiple times. I’m sure during the conversation (10:34) What about CTE to you specifically really touches you though, like what what’s happened in your life that (10:42) That makes you want to look at this subject a little closer (10:44) Why we’re trying to expose this to everyone or share this with everyone (10:47) First of all, I’ve had headaches since I was a kid since I was like seven not I mean not severe (10:53) They’ve never stopped me from I mean, I don’t call in sick for work because I oh my head hurts (10:58) I don’t have migraines.I mean I’ve gone to multiple doctors have headaches. Oh, oh (11:04) Here’s some Advil. This bitch should give it.She gave me some fucking Advil Mike bitch (11:10) Okay (11:12) I already have like that in my (11:15) Chest in the car, you know, you know how you say like 800 milligrams (11:18) Well, mine are 200 and I take four of them. Anyway, so I don’t need your prescription. I know how to do math (11:26) So I’ve had headings since I was probably my favorite hey, would you I’m gonna prescribe you 800 milligram ibuprofen (11:31) I have two hundreds at home.I’ll just take four of them. Yeah. Thank you for the copay.Yeah. Thank you (11:37) Sorry, I’m not bitter about that (11:38) So I’ve had headaches since I was a kid since I was like seven so I about a couple years ago (11:43) I thought did something happen to me before the age of seven that did I fall on my head did I? (11:50) Run into something did did something happen to me that I don’t remember that (11:54) because I saw a (11:57) Kid or the video you sent me a kid fell down the stairs at the age of three and they called it a mild traumatic (12:03) brain injury, but yet that kid had massive (12:07) emotional (12:08) Problems and and they did a brain scan of them at the age of 15. Oh, that’s it’s cuz we’re in different rooms (12:16) I can do that.Oh, you can’t knock it out of my hand. I have this fear of spilling (12:21) because my dad so anyway, um, I (12:25) First rolled down the stairs (12:26) Mild, but at three like you when your brain is developing and it got and it gets a trauma like that (12:32) Yes, everything else develops around that that becomes your foundation. Correct shaky foundation.We know right right building (12:37) Yeah, you’re building on sand. So that’s exactly really really bad (12:41) And then so I’ve had headaches since I was a kid (12:44) Okay, and then and I apologize to my lovely ex-wife that may listen to this because she’s sick of this story (12:51) Eight years ago. I had a fall at work on (12:54) I was plugging phones in and the world started to go gray like it it closed in and (13:00) I’ve I (13:03) Fell and I’m missing about three hours of my life.I don’t remember what I was told was I fell I was (13:12) Conscious but I don’t remember it I was conscious and I was (13:16) Screaming and cussing so that totally sounds like me (13:19) No, right. I (13:21) cracked my skull back here and I had (13:24) An aneurysm and a brain bruise and a severe concussion and the fall caused me to have a seizure. So a couple of friends (13:32) Held me down because they were concerned (13:33) I was gonna get up and then try to walk down the stairs at work and I would fall again (13:37) Yeah, so they called up 9-1-1 (13:41) and (13:41) They took me to the hospital, which I don’t remember that at all (13:44) I will I can’t became aware in the ER and I was I was like in a helicopter that was going down (13:50) I was spinning like like vertigo.Yeah, it was (13:53) It was the worst (13:55) Vertigo, I mean I can possibly what you would think vertigo would be if you because yeah because three hours earlier I had just I (14:05) mean I (14:06) Fell, you know, I mean and so my boss at the time (14:08) He was in the conference room right outside where I fell and he said it sounded like somebody dropped an air conditioner on the roof (14:15) Of the building, you know, and I’m like 210 pounds (14:17) You are a you’re a dense individual you don’t do anything like (14:23) Let me put this way you wouldn’t be a ninja you wouldn’t be a good ninja (14:26) I am you’re silent here (14:33) I’m heavy-footed. Okay. I don’t know you got nothing (14:36) So he said but that he goes it sounded like someone dropped an air conditioning unit on the roof, but that was my head (14:41) Hitting the concrete hitting the roof.The carpet is this thin, you know any corporate buildings this thin right? So (14:48) Pretty pretty much. They did a CT scan MRI and there was a golf ball size (14:54) gray mass in my brain back here and (14:58) there’s a neuro to neurologist and a neurosurgeon and they said they don’t know if the fall caused that mass or if I (15:07) Got the mass from the fall, you know, I’m saying right (15:09) So I’ve had headaches and dizziness ever since then the last it’s been eight years (15:14) but since the past two three years they’ve been (15:18) Significantly better. I mean, I’ll go now (15:21) Six eight ten weeks without a headache and they’re not bad.They they’re the headaches aren’t bad. They just last 12 or 14 hours (15:29) But they definitely your own II they had they just great on you. They’re not bad.I never I don’t miss work (15:34) I don’t miss no, but there’s so long. They just outlast your willpower. Yeah, so the end of the day.I’m a total asshole (15:41) I mean, I’m just grumpy and I’m just I’m not a nice person to be around because I’m (15:47) Emotionally and physically exhausted because it makes you short. Yes (15:51) I mean, but what all of us do our (15:53) Patience our demeanor our calmness our lucidity. It just disappears with fatigue (16:00) I’m sure I become very very short-tempered.Yeah, and that’s (16:05) I’m really sorry for that (16:07) for to you and to my dear friends and and to the people that I love and love that that I was a real prick for (16:14) A long time we roll with it because we know who you are. That wasn’t you. Yeah, I was not intentional (16:21) So well, there are two stories that you know (16:24) You know, here we go again (16:25) I’m gonna mention a Joe Rogan because he just has everybody on but he mentioned Sam Kinnison.Oh, yeah in his brother’s book (16:32) He said Kinnison got hit by a car a very young age and he said from that moment on (16:38) Yes, really different. Yes. I’ve read also Roseanne Roseanne (16:43) Bar bar O’Donnell, whatever that (16:46) Yeah, Roseanne bar.Yeah, right, right (16:48) Roseanne bar also was hit and then went to a mental institution was getting a lecture sock therapy back then (16:53) They were feeding her all full of meds (16:56) they put her into a mental ward after she got hit by a car cuz she was because she had something happen go on something go (17:01) On and it just exacerbated it (17:02) So like you talk about her short temper how she just goes off the rails like the National Anthem thing, right? (17:08) Or the thing she tweets like these are direct (17:12) results of some brain (17:15) Wow inability to just but the creativity that comes out of it also, right? (17:20) She’s hilarious right and Sam when she’s on she’s right (17:23) Just like Sam Sam there are Sam was my idol still is right and when they’re on they’re on right? Yeah (17:28) Yeah, so those are two. Um, I’d like to share to thank you to your ex-wife as well (17:34) Because I believe she’s the one who got to me when you did (17:38) Get hurt. I don’t remember what day I went.I think it was the first day (17:42) It may have been the next day because your ex-wife wanted to be like be really careful (17:47) Yeah, bring everybody in or whatever (17:49) But you I get a text from her and she says hey this happened (17:55) We rush over man (17:56) And I saw you and you had rug burns on your shoulders elbows (18:00) Because we’re like kneeling on you correct to hold you down because you are a strong MF er (18:06) Like I can’t imagine how you having a seizure and me trying to even like corral you in any way (18:12) and I weigh over 200 pounds, so I couldn’t even see it, but (18:17) Yeah, I can’t imagine that type of thing. So I (18:22) Thank her again. She’s she was she’s a good person.Yeah, she’s a great person (18:27) she was a (18:29) Fucking rock star dude. Yeah, she was absolutely amazing and that brunch is celebrating the end. Yeah when I (18:38) You know when I finally got off my seizure meds it was a little victory and you know (18:44) Man it was rough for a fur for (18:47) 18 months it was really fucking rough to you because I just wasn’t me (18:50) You know (18:51) I wasn’t the brain injury and then the seizure meds on top of that the seizure meds they they what the (18:56) Neurologist said the meds they cap (18:59) your (19:00) Personality because that’s it’s capping the seizures.So that also like it takes a little off the top, right? (19:07) So everything that I loved I didn’t want to watch baseball anymore. I didn’t want to drink beer anymore (19:12) That’s the interesting thing about these drugs, right? We talked about like an emotion thing (19:16) Yeah, we want to feel great (19:17) But the only reason we know what great is because we know what shit feels like true, right? (19:23) Yeah, it’s all relative right? The thing is it then takes the tops and the lows and you’re just in this middle (19:28) Yeah, oh, yeah, really living. Yeah, you’re just you don’t experience the highs nor the lows.That was a great way (19:34) I never thought about like that. That’s all it’s a great always how I’ve tried to and analogize it (19:41) Is to say it that way is like you can’t know what great is until you know (19:46) What awful is if you always lived in? (19:49) Okay, you’re great would be I would have to be pretty high to be great compared to okay (19:55) Yeah, it’s all relative. Yeah, everything’s relative and that’s like relativity and you had this experience.I’ve had personal experience (20:03) I flew out of a car windshield when I was 13 cracked my head as well (20:08) Concussion had a airbag blow up in my face from another car accident had a (20:14) Station wagon door slammed on my head by accident closed. I ducked my head in right as they were closing it (20:20) When I was about 8 or 10, you know stuff happens (20:24) My head’s yeah, I have outbursts as well. You you see me just lose it.It’s all verbal. Thank goodness (20:33) But it’s still pretty nasty (20:36) so (20:37) Yeah, so this CT comes up. We talked about PTSD.Obviously, there’s a physical aspect of that (20:42) There’s also an emotional aspect of PTSD where you lose cotton, you know a cognitive ability more to control yourself, right? Yeah (20:51) So, where do we want to go from here, sir? I don’t know. Where do we want to go from here, sir? (20:54) Well, I have many notes. We’re let’s start with your notes.Oh, that’s exciting. I love it (20:59) You want to hear can we just can we talk about something funny? Yes. Yes.I like so one of the notes that I (21:05) I (21:08) Here we go. This is amazing duty ready (21:12) Yes, a number of people believe CTE was a disease involving only boxers not the dogs (21:20) Sorry, not team smushy face, but the people that put on gloves and hit each other boxer luv.org everyone. Yes (21:27) Although cases have been identified (21:29) in a person with epilepsy a woman who was battered two people who exhibited (21:36) Head-banging behaviors, which I’ll come back to that (21:39) Okay, this is the best part check mark.You ready? (21:42) And a circus performer (21:44) from Australia (21:46) Who was involved in what medical reports refer to as quote? (21:53) dwarf throwing (21:59) Dwarf throw that is I mean, it’s a music is the is it the dwarf that was affected by this (22:06) Like head for her like rush I’m like those poor (22:11) doors (22:12) Yeah, it is. Remember we talked about dwarfism. It’s real.It’s like it that’s a legitimate word. I know but (22:18) Don’t throw the dwarfs. No, no more.I think that’s been (22:23) Well, maybe not in Australia. Wow. I was like, oh my god, maybe that’s not cool.Don’t do that (22:29) Do you ever hear the story in Australia about? (22:32) Whoever goes to the bathroom last or leaves the stool to go to the bathroom last buys the (22:38) Gets all their beers bought for them. Yes. Have you ever heard this story of how they do that? No Australians are weird, bro (22:44) Okay, they probably still throw dwarves.Oh (22:47) Cuz what they’ll do is they’ll sit there and they’ll just pee there. They’ll just pee themselves. Oh my god joke.I’ve (22:54) Firsthand anecdotal evidence I was not there. I’m for its firsthand. Not me.I guess second hand then second hand (23:02) Third no third would be you told someone who told me okay (23:05) I’m so sorry, and then you tell someone who told someone who told someone who told me (23:09) Keeps going. It’s like cuz are we gonna edit this out? No (23:13) So I don’t listen to this until we actually release it to the public and it’s scary because (23:19) The stuff that cut that comes out of my mouth at times that I don’t remember (23:24) Yeah, did I say? All right. So I think there’s one there’s one point that I failed to mention earlier (23:30) That (23:32) What exactly (23:35) How does the brain work so for those that don’t know the brain is soft (23:40) I mean, that’s I think that seems obvious, but maybe not everyone knows and your skull is hard (23:44) So what causes the brain injury is your brain moving around inside of your head? (23:49) So when the brain hits the front or the back or the side of your skull (23:53) That’s what caused the injury.And the reason why I say that is because I found (23:57) this this sentence (23:59) Was like it hit me like it (24:02) somebody hit their head (24:04) They did you get Knocked Conscious? (24:07) Absolutely hard (24:10) So hard. Mm-hmm. See this the the analogy was (24:16) Acceleration of the head on impact I (24:21) Went holy crap if you’re referring to your head (24:26) Accelerating that’s really bad (24:29) Yeah, that’s really really really bad.What’s funny is it’s technically (24:34) decelerating in most cases (24:36) Because it’s going because you’re yes speed and it’s actually yes at a sitting (24:41) So it’s accelerating from the back to the front, correct? (24:43) Usually or I mean it could be from the front to back of your head from behind but generally it’s it’s (24:49) That kind of combative. Yeah, or I mean like you said your head on a windshield, right? (24:54) Or it’s not always or like my head on the concrete. Welcome to Einstein, right? (24:58) We’ve got the relativity thing.So you’re running at 10 miles in at 5th 10 to 15. You’re sprinting 10 15 20 (25:04) I don’t know how fast we all run. Somebody else is running 15 and you’re 15 (25:08) That’s 30 that when you hit each other.That is a 30 mile an hour collision, correct? And (25:14) That is have you ever been bumped by a car at like 2 miles an hour? Yeah, it’s it’s I get instant headaches (25:22) all right, I mean that’s probably from the trauma, but (25:26) It’s jarring, yes, even at 2 miles an hour. Absolutely. Imagine 15 times that just for an example (25:34) Unbelievable.Yes, and it is that’s the basically the rattling the way I always looked at is, you know, those (25:40) Sharpies that have the metal in them you have to yeah or a spray can you break in right and the paint or whatever is (25:46) Inside the ink is your brain and I’m sorry that that’s the fluid right and then the ball is just smashing it all up around (25:54) So it’s just all (25:56) Yeah, that’s a great analogy (25:58) No, it’s loose, but it’s true. I’ll take on a symptom of the CTE is that (26:05) It affects part of the brain that controls impulses (26:10) Decision-making and reasoning I had three state or three pieces that right it affects is one is the reasoning (26:17) Impulses and everything because that’s the big one. We’re gonna talk about.Yeah, the second one’s motor skills and (26:22) The third one is like cognition (26:25) Yeah, so it’s kind of like I don’t remember things. That’s your cognition stuff (26:29) Like you wake up tomorrow and you don’t remember your name or something. That’s forgetfulness is caught.That’s a cognitive thing. Yeah, okay (26:36) Yes, sure. Yeah, because it’s kind of because it’s about processing information, right? (26:39) You don’t you can’t access the information of what your name is.So it becomes a cognitive issue (26:45) Motor skill would obviously be like your handshakes or something. You can’t make a fist or so you can’t stand up or you’re shaky, right? (26:52) Yes, and then the third one obviously is the one that is really important because this is the one to which you just you initially (27:00) Talked you apologize for something that happened to you for an event that you experience not for something necessarily within your control (27:07) And we’ll talk about yeah, what level of control that is, right? Yeah, you are. Sorry.You truly are. Sorry for how you act (27:14) Oh, yeah, but it’s really hard to say that would see really intentional. It wasn’t an intent (27:19) No, and I I mean stuff came flying out of my mouth and immediately I was like you regret it.Yes (27:26) I do that as well. I will just go (27:29) and I will lose it and (27:31) Maggie knows is like she’s like something happened. She’ll just know (27:36) something there was a trigger of some sort and (27:39) It’s interesting because we’re gonna talk about a couple people who have CTE a number of people who have CTE (27:45) So after your note about a dwarf being tossed to a wall (27:51) Repetitively, yes, where are we at my friend? (27:56) The another note I had was that for a long time.This was referred to as being punch-drunk (28:02) Yeah, because as I mentioned previously was considered a boxing (28:06) Issue right? Yeah, but then (28:09) As I grew up it was oh, he just had his bell rung (28:13) Yeah, and I remember specifically playing high school ball playing linebacker and this the line opened and this running back (28:21) Came through the line and he put his helmet right in my chest. I mean right my numbers and I (28:28) the next thing I knew I was looking up at the sky like (28:33) Did anybody get the number of that truck? You know, it was like so (28:37) Jeff Martinez, where’d you go? (28:40) Exactly (28:41) It was so I’ll never forget (28:45) You know that they snapped the ball and the line open and then there he was and oh, it’s fine (28:50) And everybody knew me as woodsy, you know, and it’s fine. He just had his bell rung (28:55) But now when you have your bell rung (28:58) Is it a concussion they take your helmet and they make you go to the to get tested right? (29:04) So third-party doctor now in most cases not every yeah (29:08) He’s like (29:09) But in sports, let’s let’s just do football both college and NFL (29:15) What do you think the monetary gains of a victory is? Oh (29:18) Think about it last night yesterday Penn State loses in that overtime (29:24) Controversial two-pointer thing, right? All right.It’s 2020. It was October 24th. It doesn’t matter they lose (29:31) in overtime, Indiana to Indiana, okay (29:35) Indiana goes for two and (29:38) You can watch the last thing.It doesn’t matter. The point is that loss is (29:44) Millions of dollars in (29:45) recruitment (29:47) Future endorsements boosters the ball. You’re Owen one now go to you were now Owen one in a already truncated (29:53) Kovat ridden season Kovat ridden and you’re playing Ohio State next week.So think about that like (30:00) Yeah, yeah, you could you could literally be owing to and that’s like 20 million, you know (30:05) I don’t even know the monetary money. So when someone does get hit (30:11) Wait, and you’re let’s say your best player they’re nudging you back in man. I’m sorry (30:15) I don’t I don’t know.I like the third-party idea, but sometimes I don’t trust that I (30:20) Agree, I agree with you completely because the system right? It’s another system issue (30:24) Yeah, where this system is set up that you need a victory (30:27) Not that you need to actually educate your to the the sports athletes, right? That’s a different story. Well, right (30:33) My point is you need a you need a victory so you will do anything to win that will mean that means if you’re (30:39) If you got a little bit of a headache, you’re still playing (30:41) I liked it better when you looked at me and not at the fucking camera. I’m looking at you, bro (30:44) You’re not you’re looking at yourself.No, I’m looking at you. You are yeah, I’m looking at you this way (30:48) No, I’m looking at me that way. It’s like looking at people on iTunes can’t know what we’re doing right now.Think about this (30:55) Think about this ladies and gentlemen, you and I yes all of us we we I thank God we both had to go to the (31:01) Bathroom, so it’s a powder noses. So we’re in the mirror and we’re talking and that’s how I’m looking at you (31:06) See think of it like that. That’s why I keep looking at you (31:09) I know and I keep I keep doing it and then forcing myself to okay (31:13) I guess I need to look at you that look at me in the reflection, bro.Oh, yeah, should we get a big mirror? (31:18) Oh, man, a big not a big mirror, but a big mirror. No, no, because it’s right there (31:23) Can’t you see just I can see you just point at this thing point at this bulbous head right there (31:29) I’ll point at this little guy the ball. Yeah, Baldy Balderson.It’ll just Beetlejuice. Okay twice. Okay.Sorry about the tangent (31:35) No, no tangents are are welcome. Okay, this is heavy topics cuz like we’re gonna get deep and and I might cry a little bit (31:43) Too late, bro. We’re already deep.Oh, yeah (31:46) What were you saying? I’m sorry (31:49) You know, no football. Oh just it’s a monetary thing. Do we know I don’t I just yeah, so it’s really tough (31:55) But you’re right, but right now technically there’s a third party that comes in and can take it player out of the game (32:01) Which is awesome.Yes. I love it. Yes (32:05) They’ve made a lot of strides and you do you truly believe that or do you think it’s a show? Yeah, but I think (32:12) Everything’s a show.Okay, that’s the question. But but it is it is a legit thing. I just don’t know what the doctor’s (32:21) Motivations are like even his personal bias or her personal bias.Yes. Yes his or her personal bias my apologies (32:28) I get into football. I get I get alpha apologize (32:35) Whichever one that could have a stake in the game or could have a stake in the player could be dating (32:39) You know, I mean, yeah or whatever.I don’t know it needs to win right once once that team to win (32:44) Do you remember when the refs came in? (32:46) They had like backup breaths for two games guy scores a touchdown and the refs like awesome. He’s on my fantasy football team (32:52) What yeah, I didn’t know that. Yeah, that was like two three years ago.Remember the rest went on strike (32:57) Yeah, that was one on strike and the one guy like he’s asking for the guy’s autograph, you know (33:01) It’s like weird stuff because they’re truck. Yeah, it was the first two three games of one season (33:08) Yeah, but it was like a news. It was a bigger news thing.Okay, but the first two three games one season (33:14) They (33:15) Had they had fill-in refs and but they had him like, you know (33:19) They’re guys that played in like college or whatever, but they can they can have fantasy football teams because you know, yeah, right (33:24) Yeah, they’re fill-ins. Yeah, and the guy scores a touch and he’s like, yeah (33:27) That’s six points for my fantasy football team (33:29) And then they’re asking like Russell Wilson for you know, his autograph and stuff cuz it’s you know, you get a little fanboy (33:34) Why wouldn’t of course? Yeah, I would (33:37) so anyway (33:39) Back to the back to the lecture at hand topic at hand (33:43) Cog cog it’s not the cognitive. It’s the behavior when we’re talking about.Can you read rephrase that again or restate the issue the three? (33:51) points I had is that (33:52) CTE (33:54) The way it affects the brain it (33:58) controls the impulses decision making (34:01) decision making and (34:04) reasoning (34:05) right, that’s the (34:08) Degradation of those three things over over many years the repetitive hits (34:13) Involved in sports and it’s not just football. So and I got notes on that. I mean soccer players (34:19) I thought I was gonna talk about the real football.Yeah, it is worse because head balls (34:24) They don’t even address that and the kicks to the head (34:28) Head to head as well and had guys going up try to head the same ball without any (34:33) I mean, it’s skull on skull. They’re not wearing rugby helm those little hats. They’re not wearing any kind of protection at all (34:39) So I know soccer and I it’s crazy.Hockey is incredibly violent hockey as well (34:43) Especially I I’ve seen people get concussion from like the pucks hitting them. Well, yeah a hundred miles and no pucks going 105 (34:49) Yeah, so I’ve got it. I’ve got a couple players we’re gonna talk about but I mean also if you think about (34:55) How fast can a hockey player skate? (34:58) Yeah over 30 I was gonna say it was over 20, so I don’t know I like hockey, but I’m not a big hockey (35:04) Dude, you’re talking about up to 50 mile an hour hit if they’re gonna go (35:08) You’re talking a hockey player who the lightest hockey players 210 and then you’ve got all their gear (35:14) The skates are like 95 pounds.So the and then the guy he’s going full speed and then you check someone into the boards (35:22) Mm-hmm, and then the guys if the guys head (35:27) Goes into the board (35:29) There’s no it’s not I’ve been thinking about this for a while because there’s the NFL has been saying (35:35) Oh, we’re making improvements on helmets. We’re doing as much as we can. We’re trying to be safe and that’s cool (35:40) I don’t believe them for a second, but I appreciate their message, right? (35:43) So I believe they want to do it and then they see the bottom dollar and right and we can wait a different story (35:48) Well, right.That’s a whole other thing. The point is this I (35:51) believe that (35:54) Any (35:55) helmet (35:56) Cannot stop the brain from moving inside the skull. That’s the root issue.It is actually the root issue (36:03) Yes (36:03) the the cushion the cushion of the head of the skull to the other object to the wall or to the board is (36:11) Not the problem. It’s the motion of the brain inside the skull (36:17) Smashing up against the skull that cannot be there’s no (36:21) My motorcycle helmets right there. I love it.I was I was like, uh, that was that wasn’t intentional but um, hey boo, so (36:31) There’s no helmet there is nothing it there’s no way to stop the brain from moving inside the skull cuz when if (36:39) You you do this. This doesn’t hurt. No, it’s if you went like this (36:43) You want to just tell people what you’re doing I was knocking you were knocking on your skulking on wood (36:48) Just on my temple like my front, you know where it’s like hard (36:50) It’s like you you feel it, but it’s not like that hurts (36:53) But if you were to actually have full force and like smack your head into a wall (36:58) Right, then that’s not it would create it would smash into the inside would smash into the inside of the skull.That’s the trauma (37:06) Yes that you and (37:09) To (37:10) Tamiya for to Tambien (37:12) To further that point (37:16) That one of the studies that I read stated that the NFL linemen (37:20) They hit each other head-to-head (37:26) 62 times per game (37:29) at the force of (37:33) Of hitting a brick wall at 32 miles per hour (37:37) 32 (37:39) 30 (37:40) miles 37 (37:42) Pretty close 37. So NFL linemen’s on average the study stated they hit each other an NFL lineman (37:48) Gets hit in the head 62 times per game. So they smack them (37:51) So they headbang third at 30 month 32 miles an hour 30 wall 30 miles two times (37:57) 62 times per game on 30 miles per hour (38:01) 62 times per game with the force of hitting a brick wall at 30 miles per hour (38:07) So the issue is that what what are the long-term effects of that so that NFL player (38:13) So he gets drafted out of college at say 22.It could be 21. It could be 23, whatever. Let’s say 22 (38:19) At that point that players already been playing in college for three to five years.Okay, so he’s already (38:25) 50 games. Let’s just say 50. Let’s just say 50.That’s great. Maybe 40 maybe 60 whatever D and 60 times (38:33) Let’s do 50 and 60 makes okay, then he played high school ball (38:36) Probably for if he’s in the NFL, he probably started all four years. All right, most likely and then he probably played pop Warner (38:44) I’m guessing and practices.Yes all the even because back then they can’t oh, yeah (38:49) It was it was not like it’s not like that now, but it used to be a lot more contact, correct? (38:54) So that that that 22 year old has already on his first NFL (39:00) Practice has already taken a (39:04) Thousand hits to the head. I’ve already done the math. So 50 games at 60 a game.That’s (39:09) 3,000 already. Oh my god. Oh, yeah, and then you just just double it for the rest of this time 60 is not 3,000 (39:16) That’s 300.No, it’s 30 hundred 30 hundred. Yeah, zero zero and thirty (39:23) Damn it. Do I need to get a calculator? No, you’re right.You’re correct. You’re 3000. Are you sure now? (39:28) I feel awful.Let’s let’s do it. So we said 50 times 60. Yeah, you’re right.It’s 3,000. I’m sorry. Yeah, it’s you’re right (39:35) I’m sorry.I’m sorry YouTube world. Okay, I was wrong. I apologize.No, that’s right now (39:39) We’re cool. Dr. Check mark of mathematics. I I told you it is a mess.Yes, it is a mess (39:44) So 50 they have 50 games times 60 hits per game. So that is 3,000 (39:50) Let’s let’s extrapolate that and see another 3,000 through the other career (39:54) They probably run a little slower when they little so they know what he’s so hard, but they also softer (39:59) So they bang around a little more. So say 3,000 3,000 this man had (40:03) 6,000 car accidents at 30 miles an hour (40:08) Before he even started NFL.So he’s already the issue of CTE is it develops over time? (40:16) You’re gonna tell people what your coffee cup says check mark (40:19) My coffee cup reads I hate being this sexy, but I’m from Czech Republic. I can’t help it. Happy birthday to check mark (40:27) Thank you for the bird one month ago (40:30) Fucking Libras, so I’m going back.Sorry. Okay, so the issue of CTE is that it’s not a one-time thing (40:36) It’s not hey Chris fell at work and he cracked his skull one time. It’s a repetitive (40:42) slowly over days weeks months years decades (40:47) These people and it’s not obviously there’s female soccer there’s you know, there’s ladies sports where (40:53) Women are just as prone to this as men.Obviously (40:57) Ladies don’t play in the NFL. So then in the NFL is the most they do a female football league (41:03) They do and I’ve seen like oh, it’s little it’s oh, yeah. Yeah, I actually I actually think they’re more vicious (41:11) than than men I (41:13) I do I’ve seen like like the competitive spirit it is on they are they’re all in (41:21) And I agree it’s amazing I’m just saying I we’re this is we’re trying to I agree clear about it’s not a man-woman (41:28) They’re right.It’s gender-neutral for sure. Absolutely effects on everyone, correct? (41:33) It’s any brain absolutely regardless of who is whose brain it is. Yeah, so (41:38) the issue with CTE is that develops over time and (41:42) One of the the (41:43) Surveys not surveys studies that I read today (41:46) It takes 30 to 50 years sometimes for the symptoms to show up for it for it because it’s (41:53) Sometimes it takes that long (41:57) Sooner just be like correct.So it’s it’s the constant (42:03) Batting of the head against something whether it’s another human or whatever. Well, what’s interesting about that too is you didn’t just have the TBI (42:11) You did not have that one incident. You obviously played football as well.Yeah, you’re you had and you were knocked out (42:17) You know, you were yeah, I know for a fact I was standing (42:22) I remember I was in a Ford festiva that little hatchback II little yeah (42:27) Working with a rental car company that for whom I worked (42:31) At some point and there were four of us in the car because we were going to pick up cars (42:36) No truth truth didn’t hurt (42:37) No different one doesn’t matter because they’re all they’re all like shitboxes (42:45) But so we’re in this thing and I’m scooted all the way (42:49) Scotted scooted Scott, whatever (42:51) I got you driver’s seat or a passenger side on the front all the way up because the four of us are trying to cram in (42:57) this little (42:59) s box (43:00) shit and we (43:02) Our person is stupid and (43:06) Incompetent a former employee. Yes hit hit a car probably at (43:10) 25 miles an hour in that thing and the airbag hit me. I didn’t hit the airbag (43:15) It knocked me back.My glasses got like plastered in my face like this (43:20) I remember getting up, you know, like it’s gunpowder. So it smokes. I remember opening the door and just standing there like (43:27) Were your ears ringing? Yeah, I (43:30) Honestly, I saw I just was like in a daze the best way I can explain it and I’m sorry (43:34) It’s not I’m not belittling like saving private Ryan (43:37) But over the guy got his arm very first scene where he picks his arm up (43:41) Yeah, kind of looking like walking around like a zombie (43:43) Yeah (43:43) I just felt like that in the head like like a zombie and and then (43:47) It kind of came back to me and the woman in the back’s like let me out mark.Let me out (43:52) I gotta get out cuz it was smoking. She was safe. Thank goodness, but it wasn’t on fire (43:57) But there was still smoke from the she thought it was bad smell.Well, she had me (44:00) well (44:00) she want to get out to like who know right right and I just remember like (44:04) Because it was only a two-door kind of thing. So I (44:07) That one was bad. That was obviously after the one I was 13 and I flew out of a car (44:12) We should like 50 miles an hour on the concrete.So don’t recall a lot of that and (44:17) That’s where we go into the spiritual thing. We’ll talk about sometime maybe in the future. I never know but yeah (44:24) Many many blows to the head and severe blows to that (44:28) I’ve got a scars and everything even when I cut my hair you can see it.It’s sexy. It gives character. Thanks, bro (44:33) But no, it’s and then it happened right? There’s nothing like this isn’t a crybaby story (44:38) This is just holy crap if I had known that it did that I could be more aware of my actions (44:44) Cuz to your point behavioral issues right like right happening like losing your shit like at the drop of a hat, right? (44:53) So there is a direct correlation between a head injury and (44:58) Behavioral issues.Absolutely. I mean sure PTSD. Yeah, and how I mean depression (45:05) Anxiety, I mean nearly every emotional imbalance (45:10) Well, let’s flip that every traumatic brain injury can lead to emotional every emotional imbalance whether it’s anxiety (45:18) I mean like it can lead it can lead the brain to not do what it’s supposed to normally be doing (45:23) Correct.How about that? You know, right, correct (45:26) Absolutely, just not functioning the way it should be. Yes (45:31) So what we have next on on the note, sir (45:37) And we’re gonna talk about some play like some some it’s gonna be athletes basically that we’re gonna talk about (45:44) It’s crazy. We mentioned soccer and hockey (45:46) Mention soccer and and the thing about hockey too, even then (45:49) The helmet even though it might help a little bit or something (45:52) I don’t know right but the helmet for hockey has not advanced in any way over like four years (46:00) It’s the least other (46:02) sports (46:03) Trust is the helmet for hockey more about hey, let’s make sure they don’t get cut like no bleeding (46:11) It was it was a PR move, okay, no one wore a helmet right whatever but people get hit in the head with a puck (46:17) I mean that you know, they’re laying down and stuff and they get popped or you know hitting the boards it hurts (46:22) So yeah any like a little thin protection made sense.So is more of a PR thing (46:26) That’s why it’s kind of thin hockey players are tough, man. They eat pucks the guy took (46:31) Yeah, guy lost seven and came back in the game (46:35) Perry a Perry a I think it was really (46:38) Love Perry a water Perry a Perry a sparkling water lost seven chicklets, bro in in the mouth (46:44) First period I think he was out in the third period stitches and everything. Oh god, he did dude guys are warrior (46:51) I’m not talking about different breed.No, I understand that. That’s my point though (46:55) So it was a PR thing for people to watch the sport because it was (46:59) People always saw hockey is a kind of semi-barbaric right who lets fights happen who lets people get hit with sticks, right? (47:05) Like it was a big thing right back in the day 70s. It was just a big PR thing (47:09) So then they transition now they all have not they all have face masks (47:12) I think all rookies have to wear face masks as they come in that just but it’s the half (47:16) It’s at least yeah, the icon has to come here clicks the glass, right? Yes (47:20) Okay, generally the clear it can be a cage if you want, right? (47:23) But nobody does that I think one or two maybe if they had a broken jaw or something they might wear that (47:28) Because they play with broken jaws.They’re nuts. I mean in a great way, but yeah (47:33) It’s a half thing and I think all rookies have to do it now, but you can be grandfathered (47:37) So if you played before the visor, you don’t have to write the visor, right, but those will get phased out 10 10 years (47:43) Yeah, everybody they might have full cage mask started rolling in in 10 years. It’s a good idea (47:50) I mean, it’s my look if it it doesn’t affect your vision and it protects your face from getting hit in the pot (47:55) Like by a puck why how’s that a bad idea? I mean, I know you’re tough.Trust me. I’ve seen the toughness (48:01) Yeah, don’t need to prove it to me. I don’t need people to spin out chiclets in their hand approved (48:06) Can we stop with the teeth dude? Oh, yeah.Well, we’re gonna talk about that. No one talk about superstitions, bro (48:14) Did you know I’m talking? Yeah, isn’t that weird? Okay, I didn’t think about all that but all right (48:19) Let’s go down your list of players. Okay, so or do you want to talk about Aaron Hernandez first? (48:25) Um, I think Hernandez is a good one (48:29) We’d spoil it now, so let’s just talk about Hernandez, okay (48:32) So for those who don’t know Aaron Hernandez (48:35) He played for the Patriots of New England.He played at the University of Florida. He’s originally from Connecticut. He was convicted of murder in (48:43) Massachusetts in like 2012 like a month after he signed a 40 million dollar contract (48:51) He killed he’s convicted of killing a semi-professional football player and friend of his and (48:58) He killed himself he hung himself in prison (49:01) two years after that (49:03) so (49:04) He at the age of 27 his brain was dissected which is how you find out if someone has CTE (49:10) I guess we should have said that earlier 40 minutes ago.We’re gonna do it now (49:13) How how how CTE is determined is post-mortem an amazingly awesome Slayer song (49:19) Of course this and that and that’s the challenge (49:21) Right. I mean the biggest challenge is (49:25) How do we know about CTE until the person’s brain is dissected at this point we don’t currently (49:32) Correct at this at this moment. That is correct.So (49:37) Mr. Hernandez was (49:40) Said to have the worst case of CTE ever (49:44) for anyone under the age of 40 (49:47) And he was 27 and he was 27 (49:50) So he but he was he played tight end which is I mean every let’s that’s a stupid sentence every (49:56) It doesn’t matter what he played every position is violent in the NFL every and he won national title with (50:03) That guy in Florida, Florida. I’m not gonna acknowledge him. Why not? Because he’s an asshole Tim Tebow (50:09) No, oh Tim Tebow.No, Tim Tebow is a really nice guy. Yeah, I was like, why do you hate Tebow man coach? (50:14) Yeah, no coach urban. He’s an asshole (50:16) So, um, he I mean he played with Tim Tebow, so it’s just funny how Tim Tebow is so (50:23) Genuine and Christian like and then this dude was a murderer.So and in fact Hernandez at at, Florida got busted for (50:30) Some violent issues. They also shot a guy in the face and some drug and got away with that one in, Florida (50:35) Yeah, there were and he shot him in the eye the guy got won a civil suit for his eye (50:39) Yes, there but he got shot in the face. He should have died probably so there should have been the release (50:44) There are probably almost three murders.There were other (50:47) murder investigations (50:49) Involving mr. Hernandez that he did not get convicted of so regardless. He passed away by suicide at the age of 27 (50:57) I’m like 2013 or something like there is a Netflix special on it, which it was pretty good. I would suggest watching that (51:03) There’s a better podcast.Yeah, of course there is no no joke. I listen to (51:09) Well, we’re not doing an Aaron Hernandez. No, there was one called warrior (51:12) Sure, the point is this gentleman had a (51:16) Incredibly severe case of CTE.His brain was fucked up. Yes (51:21) So the go ahead real I I want it. I want to just share it’s called gladiator Aaron Hernandez and football, Inc (51:29) It’s called gladiator.So it’s a Boston Globe (51:33) Didn’t they do spotlight? They did so (51:36) Credibility absolutely. So I mean the Boston’s Boston’s the Boston’s Boston’s news department seem to be knocking out of the park lately (51:44) No point (51:46) Literally (51:47) gladiator Aaron Hernandez and football Inc you will (51:51) You will not be happy after listening this it enraged me. I actually don’t I can’t really watch one sentence why you were enraged (52:01) Yes (52:03) People in very powerful (52:06) Influential positions that have children’s lives in their hands on a daily basis and are supposed to (52:14) mentor and make these people grow (52:19) deliberately turned blind eyes (52:21) For the win you talking about killed people (52:25) due to not having this man get (52:29) reprimanded or or (52:32) Possibly help earlier.Okay, let’s go there. You will not you’re not talking about his dad, right? No, okay (52:38) No, well, his dad was a cause right? We we are we’re clear about that pushed him to play (52:44) Was dad beat the shit out of him every night? Yeah that too is it was beyond that I he (52:51) Aaron Hernandez was beat was probably under physical strain (52:55) Like some kind of hitting for probably an hour to a day (53:00) So, okay, I couldn’t imagine I didn’t know that his dad beat him every he would come home drunk every night and beat him (53:06) It’s all in the gladiator. I’m not kidding.It is the best. I think it’s six parts 45 minutes apart something like that. He was (53:13) Excessive it’s so good because it shows exactly where we as humans went wrong (53:20) That’s all we do (53:21) It’s just right (53:23) But it’s from from from high school to college (53:26) The college thing just disgusts me and then even in the pros and you’ll know the what they’ll talk about the players involved and when (53:34) I mean players the actors right the the individuals involved (53:37) And you’re gonna go wow this and for example, I don’t know a certain coach is coaching an ethics course at (53:45) One Ohio State the Ohio State University an ethics course (53:49) Listen, listen to the podcast not kidding gladiator Aaron Hernandez and football Inc.It is worth (53:56) Changes (53:58) Aaron Hernandez was a victim too (54:01) That’s what’s weird about it because I don’t think he wanted to hurt people. I (54:10) Think it I think he couldn’t control himself. So do you think he didn’t know any better not know any better? (54:16) He just couldn’t stop the the instinct to know better and stop was non-existent at the time that it happened (54:24) Um, yes to your point Aaron Hernandez 27 years old had the brain of an 80 year old and (54:32) 80 year old and (54:34) They show they show like scans of his brain (54:36) And it looks like someone took like an exacto knife and cut like a triangle out of his head (54:41) What’s the analogy you use before we started recording like a drill? (54:44) Thank you just drilled holes through his brain and it looks like it’s eaten away (54:49) It looks like a half-inch drill bit.It doesn’t look small (54:52) No, it’s big because it’s like it’s a shape. So it’s almost like they took like two (54:57) Yeah, it’s almost like two half-inch on each side, right? It’s weird. It’s kind of just these weird (55:02) It looks like a butterfly like a HDMI port.Yeah, almost. Yeah. Yeah (55:07) It’s like just cut out right in the set if you look from back to front or front to back (55:11) It just cut out HDMI like shape.It’s discussed. We’ll have the links on the we’ll put the links. Oh, yeah excited (55:18) Well, I mean, I think that’s the smart.I mean look at (55:20) Anyway (55:22) 80 year old man. So let’s talk about so what do you do you think? (55:27) Okay, so try to be objective with my question (55:30) we understand that Aaron Hernandez was (55:33) mistreated by his father and (55:36) Many people and he was he was a victim in a certain way (55:41) We need to put that aside. Do you how much of his brain injury brain injuries CTE? (55:51) Contact on contact football life (55:55) affected (55:57) his crimes I (56:00) Would guess like 80 to 90 percent.Holy shit. You think that much? Yeah (56:04) He was beaten (56:07) from childhood (56:08) So the development was never there. I just I just don’t feel like it was ever there (56:14) I can’t that that’s what I’m saying.I look I’m not a doctor (56:18) We should get experts but this is about look this show is about just two (56:23) Humans on this earth trying to figure some shit out. Yeah, right because we don’t always have the answers. So in my opinion (56:31) Everything because it was a physical.It wasn’t just like something embedded. It’s just absolutely (56:37) physically (56:39) Destroyed he never had the foundation in my opinion. It seems that’s what it seems like (56:43) when you when you hear stories from his brother and (56:47) Aaron was the bore the brunt of all of it (56:49) And there’s other stories in there and I don’t want to give away spoiler (56:53) But do you want me to spoil one thing? I forgot about the fact that he was gay (56:57) Just gonna say that.Yeah, so think about remember the whole thing about that fighting that with his dad (57:04) And yeah, the emotional side of that and dealing with that (57:09) Yeah (57:10) Without impulse control you it’s rage man (57:14) I I don’t know another word for it and look he is guilty of the crimes he committed, right? I’m not (57:21) He’s absolutely guilty of the crimes. He committed. That’s not the question, right? The question is how did it get there and (57:28) It could have at least been (57:31) Addressed maybe not fixed, but we would have known you don’t mean we would have known about it (57:36) At 17, by the way, yeah 17 listen to the podcast (57:40) I’m not kidding 17 as early as 17 from an ethics professor (57:47) Yeah (57:48) Just saying that’s sad dude.It’s you’re bringing a lot of information to light that I didn’t know about makes me very sad (57:56) I appreciate that. Thank you, sir (57:58) Check you out knowing stuff then didn’t tell me about beforehand. It just makes me really that’s my job and he hanged himself (58:04) No, he hanged it’s always always hanged you hate you hung pictures, but you hang to people what (58:12) English sucks.It does English is the worst (58:16) What’s talking chick, okay. Hello. So in check do you hung yourself or hang? Oh wait, wait hung I pee myself (58:25) Yeah (58:27) No, good, I like them so it’s check mark well hanged or well hung.Oh, he’s not anything (58:33) He’s he oh he over circumcised he’s hung like a kitty cat a Barbie doll (58:38) I mean kindle like a Ken doll. I like Kendall. Yeah, very sexual very much.I (58:44) Wish I like the sex. I know like it what I know he likes it. Trust me.Yeah the Czech ladies (58:50) I am blind and hairy palms. Trust me. I like I like the sex I (58:56) Don’t I don’t think I have anything else on Aaron Hernandez cuz you (59:00) fucking (59:01) Did I blow your mind? No, you may be all the press.Well, we’re gonna transition. I was already sad (59:07) Like special we’re not done a year ago (59:09) Go ahead (59:09) the other the podcast is I (59:12) Watch the Netflix after thing hoping that it was gonna be like an add-on or like even better (59:16) It wasn’t the the podcast was way better. Well, the podcast is like (59:22) Five hours.It was it was like yeah, it’s like four hours, but it’s so (59:27) It’s so in like informational. Yeah (59:31) But this is where I wanted to go with Aaron Hernandez, right? Okay. He’s guilty of his crimes.Yes. He’s guilty of crimes (59:37) No problem. You can’t prove CTE (59:40) Right now without being dead.Yes, when is someone going to use CTE as a self-defense? (59:47) Yeah, and then I which one what do you go to another famous athlete that took a lot of hits to the head from USC? (59:53) They played at USC. Do you take another guy? Do you think about that guy Junior Sal? No. Oh (59:59) Yes (1:00:00) Right.Sorry shouldn’t right? No, but right the guy had how many can how many fucking concussions? (1:00:07) You think he had you think he had fucking impulse control? No. Yeah. Well in his helmet, I mean (1:00:13) He will if he doesn’t do something to it (1:00:15) if he doesn’t blow his own brains out or get them blown out and they and he oh, yeah, he’ll be I (1:00:20) Will I will attest he will be one of what? (1:00:24) There (1:00:25) Absolutely be up there.Yeah, at least the one the part that is impulse control 100% (1:00:31) Oh, yeah, that guy was volatile since a child as well. Very Hernandez like they talked about wasn’t he like a like a (1:00:37) He was like a kleptomaniac like in high school. I didn’t know he was he was he was a troubled kid (1:00:42) I mean, I think he came from like LA.I don’t trouble trouble kid. Sure. No, so (1:00:48) Who knows all the abuse he went through right not once again this these aren’t excuses (1:00:54) but we need to acknowledge that this is (1:00:56) Possibly what causes these things? Yeah, right now and then this is what happens.Oh (1:01:03) How do you how do you there’s gonna be some slimy lawyer rights can be like yes CTE (1:01:08) But you can’t prove it. So but he’s got it because he took hits that right (1:01:13) I can show you from the 42 concussions that he has that he should have CTE, right? (1:01:16) I’m like when when are we gonna be able to get away from? (1:01:21) Like having to be dead, yeah to know yeah, because it’s extremely important here right in these cases (1:01:28) Because it would change the whole thing. Oh, Jay (1:01:32) I (1:01:33) It’s my opinion that OJ.I can have that opinion. You can’t it’s my opinion that OJ killed Ron Goldman and Nicole (1:01:39) Yeah, Ron Goldman Ron Goldman, right? I thought is that the father? Yeah, damn it (1:01:45) It’s got a little Joel little Goldman little Goldman. Yeah, I don’t know.Sorry. I don’t know the boys. All right (1:01:50) I apologize.That’s I don’t want to be callous about that (1:01:53) But Nicole you people murdered and I believe oh, it’s my opinion that OJ find me a compelling evidence to the contrary (1:02:00) Fine, everybody think he did it. Not the people have found not guilty. Apparently.Well, they have to do it because (1:02:06) We did the evidence presented (1:02:09) It was not enough to get gloves in fit, bro (1:02:12) so (1:02:13) You know with a clenched fist. Yeah, I can’t fit over my knuckles (1:02:17) No, it doesn’t matter regardless of that though, yes accountable for the action, right? Yeah, but (1:02:25) He doesn’t go to maximum security prison for that. He gets help (1:02:31) Because he’s also (1:02:34) Troubled these are that’s it could be not out of his control 100% because he’s accountable for it (1:02:40) but it could have been something that was an (1:02:43) environmental thing that caused (1:02:45) Him to do that, right (1:02:48) So he goes to a mental institution maybe gets help and gets better and gets to live out (1:02:53) Yes, the rest of his life possibly in that institution, but with tools that can help him cope and live with the rest of his life (1:03:00) Yeah, right.I got you. It changes the script (1:03:05) Right, if you you watch you like for example that Aaron Hernandez thing or think about OJ in that light (1:03:10) I’m I’m not defending it at all (1:03:15) But if it’s if that is that big of a strong or that strong of a cause or case that you just lose your shit (1:03:23) that’s scary and (1:03:25) We need to find this earlier. Like we need to be able to detect it earlier for sure.Yeah, I (1:03:32) Agree (1:03:34) Do you want to talk really quickly about the amen thing or do you want to go into the sports the dr (1:03:39) Amen, the the brain. Oh, yeah. Did you see that movie? Yeah, I didn’t see it the TED talk (1:03:43) No, oh, yeah, I thought you meant the concussion movie.Oh, no. No, I didn’t watch that (1:03:47) I wanted to watch it, but I didn’t have time (1:03:49) I you know what it’s to docudrama ish for me and in hindsight, it just seems very dramatic (1:03:56) Okay, but that that’s why I tried to stay away from it because I wanted facts (1:03:59) I want I wanted to read articles versus like something to make me feel I don’t want to get I don’t want to get leaving (1:04:04) Neverland again, you know what I mean? Yes. I don’t want to get L end.Yeah, let’s talk about the TED talk (1:04:09) Yeah, so the TED talk yeah this guy a doctor dr. Amen is his name he runs these neurological (1:04:17) Clinics around the country. So tell me what what you what you remember about the TED talk.He is a psychiatrist and (1:04:25) he’s a (1:04:29) X-ray specialist he’s into like (1:04:32) Any kind of imaging of the human body? So those are his two (1:04:37) specializations so (1:04:40) Several 25 years ago. He started combining the two if we can take pictures of the human brain (1:04:47) What can we learn from them? And how does it relate to human behavior? (1:04:51) So he said why is it that psychiatrists are the only doctors that don’t look at? (1:04:59) The piece of the body that you’re working with a cardiologist looks at the heart (1:05:04) Neurologist takes cat scans and MRIs of the brain orthopedic surgeon looks at the bones, etc (1:05:09) but a psychiatrist just talks to you and (1:05:13) Kind of guesses you what you have and gives you drugs which can go frickin sideways (1:05:19) If you give somebody the wrong thing (1:05:21) Or the wrong amount they could die. Yeah.Yes. It’s a test (1:05:26) It’s a test in or trial and error kind of which is horrible and the error part can has dire consequences (1:05:32) Yes, they could die. So death is really bad.If you experience death, please stop taking Tambien right away and call your doctor (1:05:38) so he this gentleman develop him and his colleagues developed a (1:05:43) spectrometer respect (1:05:44) Spec something some kind of spectrograph what I love to your point though. That’s the one thing that stood out to me is like how come (1:05:52) Psych psychologists the one organ or the one thing that people don’t look at (1:05:59) To your point you look at a broken bone (1:06:01) Yeah, look at a swollen liver or you know what I mean? (1:06:04) You look at all these different things. Yeah, and you can see it (1:06:06) You can even see the heart and yet you can’t do anything (1:06:09) Yeah, they haven’t really come up with something about the brain and that’s when they created this (1:06:14) Revolutionary amazing scanning imaging equipment and they can look inside the brain to see (1:06:20) what’s happening with what kind of patient whether it’s Alzheimer’s or dementia or (1:06:26) ADHD so it’s not just CTE, but it’s a wide variety of different (1:06:31) Things Parkinson’s that they can look at and see.Oh, hey, these things are going on (1:06:36) We need to address them and it’s it was fascinating and it’s a it’s a it’s a I think it’s a very large (1:06:45) Step in the medical field to start helping people (1:06:48) with with brain injuries (1:06:51) Yeah, it was interesting and part of the scanning thing (1:06:54) If I remember correctly, and I I don’t want to butcher it. We’ll put the YouTube up as well the TED talk (1:07:00) Yes, but (1:07:03) It was the blood flow to certain parts of the brain. I think that they could really scan (1:07:07) That’s where they saw it found holes.Yeah, so like where there are these holes (1:07:10) There was no blood going to that region and they know what that region at least kind of controls a little bit (1:07:15) So they know if there are these holes in certain areas what? (1:07:19) The problem is and then they develop some kind of training or you know (1:07:24) Workshopping and then could be some medication (1:07:26) It could be you know a combination of three or four different types of methods and they get better (1:07:30) Yeah, and you want to share the story about that? I mean, you’re not gonna spoil it just share the story about the the kid (1:07:37) That was I mentioned it before (1:07:39) The three-year-old boy that fell down the steps right and he had (1:07:44) Ever from the age of three to the age of 15. He (1:07:48) Was a behavior problem and he had he lashed out (1:07:51) Knowing it. Yeah, and then this was a nine-year-old nine-year-old.Sorry, right (1:07:55) It’s a nine-year-old that was beating up the girl. Yeah, the night. I’m sorry.I’m not nine-year-old (1:08:00) He ran onto the field and he attacked a nine-year-old another girl on a girl on the field for no reason at all (1:08:08) So this doctor psychiatrist and he drew pictures of kids hang (1:08:13) Hanging and shooting them and it was discussed. It was scary disturbing disturbing for a night a nine-year-old. Yeah (1:08:20) so they took a (1:08:24) Spectrogram, they took a they took a new picture of his brain and they found a cyst the size of a golf ball (1:08:33) on (1:08:34) right on his temple and they removed it and (1:08:43) Thumbs up broke those Ricky Schroeder’s thumb talking.Oh, it’s awesome (1:08:47) Nice. Oh, I didn’t put in. Oh, it was amazing (1:08:52) So when they removed the cyst (1:08:54) He went he went back.He was immediately went back to normal. So if they didn’t (1:09:00) bother (1:09:01) to look at (1:09:04) This from a different way (1:09:06) this kid would have (1:09:07) This the doctor was concerned that this kid was gonna turn into another Sandy hook or another (1:09:13) Columbine or another mass shooting that they if they didn’t bother to look at treat him with a non (1:09:19) psychiatric or behavioral method (1:09:21) Did he was concerned that this boy was gonna turn into another mass shooter and it turns out the boy was his nephew and now (1:09:28) He’s well adjusted has a job, etc. Bought a house, right all good stuff (1:09:33) Yeah, so he it was it was crazy.I mean very touching it. You don’t remind me of Jeremy spoke in class today (1:09:41) Clearly, I remember picking on the boy seemed a harmless little fuck (1:09:47) Pearl jam, right sure when he’s standing arms raising a V the dead lay in pools of maroon below (1:09:57) That’s what Jeremy’s about. Did you know I didn’t know Oh Jeremy (1:10:00) Yeah, Jeremy is like about this kid getting picked on in school and then just loses it (1:10:04) They should have called it Carrie and Jeremy spoke in class today, bro (1:10:10) Carrie did other shit.Yes. She was bad. She was a bad ass the prom dude.She was a BAMF (1:10:17) Yeah, and so dr. Amin was it was his nephew that like (1:10:22) Basically saved this kid’s life with the proper help tools it by knowing where the problems lie (1:10:29) Like he could help this child (1:10:32) That’s amazing. It’s it’s a amazing amazing story.I hope that that’s gonna become more widespread (1:10:38) Yeah, and we can as a human race we could (1:10:42) Start to learn to look at (1:10:45) Behavioral issues from a different perspective. I went on the website and it is expensive. Of course it is (1:10:50) So is VCR when it first came out? No, but my point is not just that it’s also like getting met getting a Nash (1:10:58) It’s getting health care to help like some insurance to get to help with that (1:11:02) It’s a mental issue health issue or mental health issue (1:11:05) And once again mental health issues seem to be on the back burner, right? You can see a broken arm (1:11:11) You can’t see a mental issue till it rears its ugly head till after the fact, right? It’s (1:11:15) Mental issues are an effect thing.They’re not a caught right? They’re not a cause. Yeah, so you see what happens and then go. Oh (1:11:23) That’s why it happened.Yeah, of course, whereas a broken arm is like, oh, yeah, that’s right there (1:11:28) It’s right in front of my face. I see it’s dangling. Yeah, so (1:11:32) no, I guess unfortunate because (1:11:34) We are getting better.I think we are getting better people are asking at least more for help (1:11:40) I’m hoping but we talked about we talked about like social dilemma or you’re right social dilemma, right with social media and young young women (1:11:50) Suicide rates skyrocketing. Yes. Yes middle-aged men who feel they’re purposeless right now (1:11:56) skyrocketing and we’ll probably talk about we’ll have a talk we’ll have a (1:11:59) Not conscious about that because you and I are mid for middle-aged white men.We are yeah (1:12:04) Well, you’re half we got one and a half middle-aged white men in here, bro (1:12:09) We have a seven-year-old half Mexican, oh, we’re we’re brothers, bro (1:12:13) We’re all the same, but no regardless like we’re basically we’re basically don’t fall for no banana and tell pipe (1:12:19) That’s basically a look man. I’m not falling for that in my tailpipe (1:12:28) Why is there is there blood on the ice in that picture? Yeah. No, I think it’s paint.Okay, that’s assert the red dot (1:12:35) We’re looking at a hockey guy and they’re beating out of each other. So dr. Amin, I’ll put the YouTube (1:12:40) I’ll put the TED talk up there and then I’ll have his information.You can it’s really it’s worth a 14 minute 15 (1:12:46) Yeah, it’s a great. Yeah, it’s good TED talks are worth every second of the 15 minutes. Is there bad TED talks? (1:12:52) They’re bad.Really? I’ve never seen one bad (1:12:56) Really yeah, I mean if you’re I guess if you’re really interested in a specific subject and you know me (1:13:02) I’m pretty curious you and I talk about our curiosity (1:13:04) We’re pretty much curious about anything, but it’s if it’s not delivered to me in a in a good enough way (1:13:09) Oh, okay. I need help with the subject could be good, but the delivery could be poopy (1:13:13) Okay, now I understand your point and it’s not entertaining (1:13:15) I need I don’t need them to shuck and jive (1:13:17) But I need them to have and not sound like robots and I need to not act like robots and just okay (1:13:23) I can’t just like barf information at me. Yeah, I don’t like informational barfage (1:13:28) That’s what makes us special we don’t just barf information we barf and then (1:13:34) Eat it back up.Well, I do not (1:13:38) Anyway, all right. So where were we players with CTE? Yeah (1:13:44) Red Favre. Well, hey, here’s one website.We’re just gonna go through pretty quickly (1:13:50) I’m not gonna do ones that are still alive because they can’t why not because they can’t prove it (1:13:56) So they they they think Brett Favre Mike, okay, why (1:14:00) It doesn’t mean he got hit a lot. It’s fucking Brett Favre (1:14:03) Nothing, he got hit a lot. He played a lot.He played a long time. He got hit a lot. He had memory loss and (1:14:10) That’s what it was.He’s having memory loss issues. So they’re thinking he might have it (1:14:14) So this one definitely did Bob Probert because he’s dead and I believe they dissected him (1:14:21) He he had (1:14:22) Bob Probert Bob Probert is a hockey player. Okay.He was a enforcer. He got a lot of fistfights (1:14:28) Okay with Detroit and I believe was Chicago is most most of it (1:14:33) he (1:14:35) He his brain was examined by researchers at Boston University. Once again, Boston in Boston coming through today (1:14:41) One of the CTE research centers in the United States one of the leading CTE research centers (1:14:47) They found evidence that he was suffering from CTE (1:14:51) And I don’t know this gentleman Bernie Kosar they think he might (1:14:55) the pain and mental issues ever since his retirement (1:14:59) Recent years received treatment advocated methods of treatment for other.He’s still alive about CTE. Correct. He is still alive (1:15:04) That’s why I don’t like those because CTE is only 100% (1:15:09) dissected people (1:15:12) They think Sugar Ray Robinson, obviously they didn’t dissect his brain it was before they did that (1:15:17) But Sugar Ray Robinson was a boxer (1:15:20) Yeah, he fought a total of a (1:15:22) 198 professional bouts Wow in (1:15:26) 25 years winning a hundred and seventy three of them.That’s pretty impressive Wow (1:15:32) suffered financially later developed Alzheimer’s before dying (1:15:35) It’s 67. So he died at 67 a guy who’s in obviously amazing shape pretty young, right? (1:15:42) When you think a boxer you think just shape wise? Yeah heart body strong, right? (1:15:48) But mentally not brain can go to ladies and gentlemen 67 is (1:15:52) crazy (1:15:54) Joe Lewis also another boxer they think (1:15:58) Once again 70 fights punch drunk once again, 34 and 51. So that’s what 17 years (1:16:05) 166 of his 70 fights (1:16:07) Punch drunk.Here you go. Punch drunk was a layman’s term for CTE like conditions suffered by boxers after their careers (1:16:18) Professional wrestlers that you wouldn’t really care about another hockey player Andre Watters was a big one for (1:16:25) He played with Philadelphia for all those years then with the Cardinals. Yeah, so Phoenix locals know Andre Watters (1:16:31) I think he killed himself as well, right gunshot.Yeah brain was examined (1:16:36) He had depression due to CTE once again junior say out right had the same thing (1:16:43) Let’s see here that one really that one go back this one. Yeah, that one really messed me up (1:16:48) Okay, so let’s go over him cuz I didn’t I didn’t know the content. Yeah (1:16:53) Well, cuz I’m a big baseball guy, so I guess I didn’t even know that he died (1:16:59) so Ryan Friel played with the Reds a (1:17:03) Couple other teams and he was the first baseball player to be diagnosed with CTE.I didn’t know that (1:17:08) They played for nine years. I (1:17:11) I (1:17:12) Just read this this morning. So I was like it really like was like wow, I know that guy (1:17:17) I mean, I’ve watched him play, you know, he retired in 09 and I mean (1:17:21) It’s kind of like for junior sale for me because I blotched football so much, right? (1:17:26) and he retired in 09 from baseball and he committed suicide in 2012 and (1:17:31) I didn’t I didn’t even I guess I just didn’t know he even died.I was like, wow, that’s so sad. Yeah, so (1:17:40) He (1:17:41) Did retire in 09 because he sustained significant brain injuries and that’s just and he took his own life in 2012. Yeah (1:17:49) This one actually bothered me a young man named Nathan Stiles (1:17:54) Because he’s the youngest deceased player to have been to suffer from CTE (1:18:00) they (1:18:01) he basically got hit and (1:18:05) Then he died (1:18:07) Shut up and what it was during his autopsy doctors revealed that Stiles just 17 at the time (1:18:15) Was already showing signs of CTE.So that shows you what happened was he got hit. Oh, it’s called second impact syndrome (1:18:22) That’s what I was trying to get to him (1:18:23) He was a running back playing in his senior year when he sustained a serious hit to the head later died from second impact syndrome (1:18:30) What does that mean? What that means is he had the secondary head trauma too soon after an initial? (1:18:37) Concussion or head trauma. So this is this is something that UFC is really good about and (1:18:43) MMA mixed martial arts (1:18:46) Ultimate fighting championship.This is something about them that I really like versus boxing boxing. They’ve really padded gloves, right? Yeah, it’s constant (1:18:54) Barrages to the head constant hemorrhaging boom boom boom hundred two hundred times per match, right? (1:19:00) Yeah, how many matches all the sparring all the other stuff? (1:19:04) MMA you’ve got really thin gloves. It’s one shot.You could be knocked out and be done (1:19:10) Yeah, so you’re not getting those serious things (1:19:12) And now what happens is if you get knocked out, they have a mandatory (1:19:17) I believe I don’t want to speak 100% fact, but I believe it’s my I I (1:19:22) Think I remember hearing they have a mandatory six months sitting out and then a retest, you know (1:19:27) The concussion protocol (1:19:30) But it’s it’s a mandatory six-month if it’s a knockout not like a submission because it’s you know joint or some other yeah (1:19:39) Right if it’s a knockout, right? (1:19:41) It’s do you like technical knockout or knockout then you have to wait because the brain needs to fully heal and that’s what this kid (1:19:48) This kid came back too soon. He’s like, oh my headache went away. I’m ready (1:19:53) Obviously 17 it could have been in the same game, right? (1:19:56) Absolutely.No, correct, but they’re saying from an initial concussion (1:20:00) So we don’t know if it was from a previous game, but seemed like they knew it was something (1:20:06) So that kid was 17 years old when he died, yes, he was already showing signs of CTE (1:20:14) yes a (1:20:17) disease that (1:20:18) happens because of repeated hits to the head (1:20:22) At 17 years old so yes that that right there (1:20:29) Should be a massive red flag flashing warning sign (1:20:34) above (1:20:36) every sport every contact sport (1:20:40) Women’s soccer rugby (1:20:44) Etc, etc, etc. I (1:20:47) Would think is that statement bullshit or not? (1:20:51) Dare I say no child abuse again you think (1:20:56) because (1:20:57) Hey (1:20:59) Hey, what’s this kid Nathan? (1:21:02) That daddy daddy here. Mr. Stiles.No, Nathan’s father. Yeah, daddy here. Hey, buddy (1:21:08) You’re so good at this man.You’re not feeling so great (1:21:12) You don’t know that happen if you don’t get if you don’t get three time. I’m that’s not everyone. I’m not okay (1:21:18) I apologize.This is complete. What’s this hyperbole? Yeah, but it’s one of those dramatizations. This is a dramatization (1:21:25) This is not a real factual thing.I do not know this could happen in anyone’s house (1:21:29) It could happen in anyone’s not have been what happened to this young man, correct specifically. Absolutely. Jesus.What I’m saying is (1:21:37) Okay, Todd Marinovich is a great example (1:21:40) Well, I’m just saying you want to use that because you know (1:21:43) His dad obviously groomed him from (1:21:46) Right from millisecond one. Yes, his dad groomed him to be this thing, right? (1:21:52) Yeah, and that that’s the father or that’s the role model about which I’m speaking. I can’t speak for Nathan, but (1:22:00) He already had CTE (1:22:01) So he obviously got hit a ton or his brain just wasn’t ready or he wasn’t that his head to some people to get (1:22:06) Harness tough, right, you know tough and it’s not a negative if you’re not there’s just a it’s a physiological thing (1:22:14) You can’t control the toughness of your skull, right? You can’t control how your body is gonna react to getting hit in the head (1:22:22) Agreed, right? So, you know, who knows but I’ve seen (1:22:27) parents or role models take their children and force them into doing things and (1:22:33) a lot of them are sports because they’re ways out right and (1:22:37) They go through this and this happens (1:22:41) so it’s I get you it sucks and (1:22:45) like one of the things you and I have (1:22:47) We don’t have children yet.We really care about the welfare of children. It’s (1:22:52) It’s a I don’t know. It’s a weird dichotomy, but I guess (1:22:57) We feel like our childhoods were (1:23:00) Good on paper fucked up.They were good on paper though, but they look good on paper to the world. I think no (1:23:07) Mine I think mine look good on paper for sure (1:23:09) I just didn’t really understand so but now we understand and we want to we’re trying to expose some stuff and help people anyway back (1:23:16) to CTE junior sales on the list, obviously and (1:23:20) Then the the one the number one went on this list and I’ll put these up to right we talked about I think we (1:23:27) Chris’s in the back not talking. So I feel like I’m filling up there (1:23:31) The one I got Kirk this wrestler named Chris Benoit, it’s not Benoit Benoit (1:23:37) And it’s not been yay either (1:23:39) Chris been yay (1:23:41) His middle name powdered sugar crispy been yay (1:23:44) but Chris Benoit (1:23:46) Really sad he they think alcohol played a big part.They think steroids played a big part (1:23:51) They think pills played a big part. They think painkillers paid a big part. They put think he’s WWE (1:23:55) He was both NWA and W or WCW and WWE, yeah, there are the big ones (1:24:02) WWF now he was WWE I think at the time (1:24:06) But he was he was from mid 80s till 2007.So say 87 to so 22 years 20 years (1:24:14) So that does show you that even though wrestling’s fake (1:24:16) Oh get you can rattle your skull and those guys have one hell of a schedule where you get competed (1:24:24) Repeatedly it, you know, they televise like to a year to per like week. Yeah, but they do like four shows (1:24:33) They they actually go or they did tour (1:24:35) I mean they might not do it the way they did now that might actually be a benefit with kovat right now (1:24:39) Cuz they can’t go city to city. Yeah, cuz they’re doing everything out of a centralized location (1:24:43) Everyone’s like wiring into that location.That’s actually interesting. That’s probably that’s probably helped a lot of (1:24:51) Athletes in that respect especially in the impact like this. Look is it scripted? Is it well-known? (1:24:56) Yes, but doesn’t make the stuff less athletic or less physical.These guys get hit. I’ve seen broken bones broken ribs (1:25:03) And they continue guy get hit in the liver (1:25:05) He had a punctured liver or something and can and continued and they carried him off and then he went like went to the hospital (1:25:13) You know, it’s like these guys are tough as nails and you know (1:25:17) They take a lot of painkillers and they get hooked on painkillers and they (1:25:22) Know they need to be bigger and stronger and faster. So they might take you know, I’m I’m not calling any single one out (1:25:28) in this case Chris Benoit (1:25:30) He was Canadian and I think it was in Carolina, right that he that he lived (1:25:34) Don’t know but he murdered his wife and son.Holy shit, and then committed suicide by hanging himself Wow (1:25:42) and that one just I (1:25:45) Don’t know what else to say about that like he had the brain they say he had the brain of an 80 year old and he (1:25:50) I think was in his 40s (1:25:52) Had sustained lasting damage to every section of his brain. I don’t even know how many sections there are but every sounds like a lot (1:26:00) Benoit had one of the most severe cases CTA that CTE that examiners had ever seen and he was only 40 (1:26:08) So, there you go, there’s 20 on that list and (1:26:12) three on the list (1:26:14) Killed someone and then took their own life. Yes, and that’s (1:26:17) To me that speaks volumes that this is a this is not a fucking joke.Yeah, it’s not like your own life (1:26:24) It’s like you Oh (1:26:26) Three guys like it was three guys were involved with a murder suicide. So they directly affected (1:26:33) Someone else and someone else’s family and what if that person was a mother, you know a sister or brother? (1:26:40) Everyone else is something else to someone else. So that this is this is (1:26:45) Has horrible effects like the ripple effects are massive.It’s a big-ass ripple (1:26:51) So, I mean, you know, it’s a tidal wave for Christ’s sake. It’s not a ripple. So, you know, Junior say how (1:26:58) had kids and (1:27:01) Family and and he didn’t want to be on this earth anymore (1:27:05) Yeah, his kids couldn’t even be enough purpose for him right and he was 43 dude and he’s such he (1:27:13) Yeah, and he’s not he didn’t I’m sorry.He didn’t he was not one of the three that took someone else’s life (1:27:18) But no, no, no, no the fact that he only took any any shot himself in the chest on purpose, right? (1:27:23) Cuz he I think he wrote a note. I think did something either texted someone or wrote a note that he wanted his brain examined (1:27:31) Yeah, I just remember what it was but (1:27:33) To your point (1:27:36) You and I once again libertarians we’ve had suicidal ideations (1:27:40) The right to pursue the life you want as long as the pursuit of your life (1:27:46) Style or whatever doesn’t impede (1:27:49) Directly on another’s right? Yes taking another’s life does take away that (1:27:55) Right, if you kill someone else you’re taking away. That’s in direct violence (1:28:00) It is the direct violation (1:28:03) So this is why it is so important like it’s one thing if the people just killed themselves, that’s horrible (1:28:09) stick of fury (1:28:11) That is horrible in itself (1:28:13) But that it affects other people in addition like to not even just not being there right to junior sales point (1:28:20) Yeah, but to actually take another life.Yeah. Yes. Absolutely.That’s so that that’s even worse. It’s just a shame. It’s a crime (1:28:27) It’s yeah, if it’s a Travis sham mockery, it is what it is (1:28:31) Sorry.Yeah. No, that’s totally right, dude. It’s fucked up (1:28:38) Agreed Thank You.Ricky shoulders thumb. What else you got? I like the black backdrop. It is.Yes lovely. Um, (1:28:48) What are the athletes we talked about Aaron Hernandez? We talked about these people. These are other football players (1:28:53) This is the other one the last one that I’m the New York Times.Yeah, it was a New York Times article (1:28:58) Like I said, we’ll post all the links (1:29:01) They studied (1:29:03) How many sir? (1:29:05) 110 brains then in a 19 not 19 100 and 11 brains. Oh, excuse me (1:29:12) Sorry, 111. I just saw the being 111 NFL brains (1:29:17) 111 NFL brain so they (1:29:20) Took them apart and dissected them and looked at them (1:29:22) of those (1:29:24) 111 sir, how many showed signs of CTE? (1:29:28) 99% (1:29:30) Over 99 over 99 percent.I’m 110. How about only one didn’t only one did not how about that even a punter? (1:29:39) Even even a place kicker. I’m serious.No, no, it said even a place kicker and a hunter showed signs of CTE (1:29:46) How the hell one punter one place kicker too tight it only too tight. I’m surprised cuz they block too (1:29:53) Yeah, that one’s surprising. I know that one’s surprising.Yeah, actually, but maybe they didn’t block as much back then (1:29:58) Maybe they actually did God to cat. No, I thought they blocked more. I don’t know.Hmm (1:30:03) Interesting that that one seemed more like butt kiss not butt kiss, but ditka and seemed like physical back then those guys were lime (1:30:10) I mean it light (1:30:11) hackers (1:30:12) Ditka was a tight end. He was yeah, dicka dick dick (1:30:17) Dicka I had to I got to bear claw shoved right in there bad bash worst. Yeah, I got kielbasa (1:30:23) I got to get on there.Hey, I’m not a seamstress. I put it together with nachos cheese. I stitched it together (1:30:29) So what if Ditka was battling a hurricane named Ditka? Yeah, who’d win? Oh, what? (1:30:35) Ditka versus a hurricane.They’ve got no wait for it. The name of the hurricane is Hurricane Ditka. Oh (1:30:44) They (1:30:46) bears bears (1:30:48) Okay, that was awful.And I mean Lyman to your point had the most hits and hey look the most physical (1:30:57) issues right CTE the highest number and but the thing is I don’t know if (1:31:02) Well, it doesn’t show percentages. It just shows total just shows total number (1:31:06) They yeah, 44 lineman right of the hundred and eleven twenty running backs (1:31:11) Which that makes sense, that’s the second highest number they run into things and hit get hit pretty hard. They’ve run (1:31:18) I run into things.Well, they’re fast, right? So they they get a good acceleration. So that sloshiness really gets going (1:31:25) Oh slosh sloshiness hashtag sloshiness and then 17 defensive backs 13 linebackers 7 quarterbacks (1:31:33) That makes sense how much they get hit but that might should have been higher (1:31:36) But maybe they just didn’t have as many quarterbacks, obviously (1:31:38) Yeah, that’s what I’m five receivers two tight ends one place kicker one punter. So this isn’t like a percentage thing (1:31:44) It’s just of the hundred 11, correct (1:31:45) I’m did you see which one wasn’t did they say what the position was of the one that wasn’t I didn’t see that (1:31:51) No, okay.So anyway (1:31:55) Unbelievable 110 of 111 football players NFL players showed signs of that and think about (1:32:03) That’s that that’s there. They could have had it before they got in the NFL, right? (1:32:07) So think about all the college players that probably have it and the percentage of that or even high school (1:32:13) Even if they didn’t get into college just the amount (1:32:16) Because everyone takes hits like this. Yeah, and to go to play football in college.You have to be good in high school (1:32:23) I mean you have to be you know, if you look at the (1:32:28) Hundreds of thousands of kids that play high school football. You have to be really good to play in college (1:32:34) Even if you’re a walk-on, okay, you’re still gonna take hits (1:32:37) So it’s to get to those levels, you know, as you said, you’re talking between three and six thousand hits at the age of 22 (1:32:45) That’s that’s crazy (1:32:47) Mm-hmm. It’s astronomical.Yeah, that’s just nuts (1:32:53) Couple just a couple names that came across Mike Webster (1:32:56) I think he was the one the first that like said, I think he put in a note like (1:33:01) Take my brain apart. I think he shot himself and said take my brain apart (1:33:05) Because I think I knew I knew he committed suicide, but I don’t know I think it is saying that Kevin Turner (1:33:09) It was an interesting one Andre waters. Anyway, any other one stick Ken Stabler? (1:33:14) Yeah, Ken Stabler cuz I was a Raiders fan junior growing up because just to piss off my dad (1:33:20) So to see Ken Stabler on the list (1:33:22) I mean, I remember when he died, but I you know, and he was just a badass gunslinger.You know what I mean? (1:33:27) Oh, oh, he took a hit. Yeah and administered him (1:33:31) Yeah, he didn’t care no no (1:33:33) Oh, yeah, but and that’s your mentality, right? Yeah, we talked about gladiator warrior. That’s how he played, right? (1:33:39) Well, you know he played I don’t care if I break a leg then so be it.Yeah (1:33:44) Yeah, another like more recent Chris Henry (1:33:48) Cincinnati, I think running back (1:33:50) Yeah, it’s crazy. I mean just the names that stick out Earl more moral (1:33:55) Like I totally didn’t even think about that one or you know who I so many that just Bubba Smith (1:34:01) Yeah, I saw that one too, you know, yeah (1:34:04) great, it’s it’s unfortunate and I (1:34:08) Know people are looking more into this and I know less people are actually playing (1:34:14) But we did you did a couple surveys a little (1:34:19) Yeah, what’s on your list do you think I think I’ve got I blew my load sir (1:34:25) so sexy, um, do you I (1:34:28) swore to that one of the articles that I read said that Jerry Jones the owner of the (1:34:35) Cowboys he played college ball with a guy that (1:34:41) Had CTE (1:34:43) but Jerry Jones believes there is no link to from CTE and (1:34:48) Yeah, Jerry Jones believes there’s no link between football and CTE (1:34:52) Yeah, I thought wow (1:34:53) Okay, one of your friends that you played college ball with died. He’s also an anti-vaxxer a (1:35:00) flat earther a (1:35:02) Climate change denier, sir.Well, I’m an anti-vaxxer. So you’re not I don’t think you’re an anti-vaxxer. I am all of them (1:35:10) Mom’s measles.I don’t know dude if I (1:35:12) That’s what if I had a kid we’d have to have a different conversation about this. Yeah, you know what? (1:35:16) I don’t have any kids. So no we we would have but we were vaccinated with certain ones, but I wasn’t consulted (1:35:24) My right just stabbed me with a fucking needle.My point is how did you turn out bro? I’m pretty fucked up (1:35:29) Look at me, man. You’re beautiful. You see what the vaccines do my hair (1:35:32) The vaccines took all my hair (1:35:35) Ladies and gentlemen, please pause pause the podcast (1:35:38) Please pause the podcast open up YouTube go to the not conscious channel (1:35:42) We’re just going not to conscious calm right now click on the YouTube (1:35:46) Not conscious link on the right top right corner on a web browser or at the bottom on a phone and boom on your I’m (1:35:53) Sorry on your thing (1:35:55) Watermarks over here now, then you’ll have a good time because then you’ll then you’ll listen and then look at that beautiful face (1:36:02) We’re back to video I’m so excited I I’m (1:36:06) We had talked about doing it and then the hemmed and then you’re already like we don’t need to video video, bro (1:36:10) But I know you want I know I know you wanted to are you done talking? (1:36:15) Never (1:36:17) Okay, I’m done right the stick of fury has out has commanded me I’ll give you a CTE (1:36:26) I’ll show you a CTE.I’ll give you a CTE. I don’t know you can’t even do that. Okay, so Jerry Jones, that is ridiculous (1:36:32) Of course, it’s ridiculous and an anti-masker.I forgot the house. So am I and I’m a fucking liberal so (1:36:39) I just anyway, okay. The question is checkmark.Do you think? (1:36:46) Where do you think the NFL stands in this do you think the NFL is negligent? Do you think? (1:36:53) Do you think that these laws there’s lawsuits that we I’m sorry (1:36:55) We didn’t there’s been players that have filed lawsuits against (1:36:59) the NFL (1:37:00) Aaron Hernandez (1:37:01) Estate has filed the lawsuits against the Patriots because they think that they didn’t he didn’t get warned that the CTS were possible (1:37:10) CTE is possible. Excuse me (1:37:12) so is are (1:37:15) these bodies (1:37:17) Liable are they negligent? (1:37:20) Could they do more (1:37:24) Stupidity is the deliberate cultivation of ignorance (1:37:28) If you stick your head in the sand, of course, you’re not gonna see the problem they knew (1:37:33) It’s clear that they knew that I mean the movie concussion isn’t inaccurate in the fact that they knew they did studies. Okay, and (1:37:43) It was like they didn’t put the label on they didn’t put the warning label on their packet cigarette on their helmet (1:37:48) of course and (1:37:50) It was it’s all if we haven’t learned by now (1:37:53) It seems that every system given enough time can become corrupted due to greed (1:38:00) Growth, don’t you think it became corrupted decades ago? (1:38:03) Absolutely, but but they probably didn’t look you were a tough guy when you were a football player Chuck bed.Narek (1:38:09) This game is fucking over (1:38:12) Like he just knocks out like why a tittle stands over to you (1:38:15) I mean like concrete Chuck was his name was like his nickname because he hauled concrete like on it because he got you know (1:38:22) He was a bad boy or whatever (1:38:24) When he wasn’t playing football back in the day, right because it was a warrior game. Yeah, then it became a money game (1:38:28) Yeah, no, I understand when it when it shifted from warrior to money and they knew the the ramifications (1:38:34) But the money would be suffered would suffer as it’s growing or it would stop growing or shrink even I (1:38:42) Probably sit on I I don’t know it’s hard for me to be hypothetical and said be awesome about it (1:38:47) But why do they need to know they know what they’re hitting each other? (1:38:50) I just be like look, you know, it’s a violent sport. You know, I mean like it’s an excuse (1:38:55) An easy excuse say like hey, oh, no, you knew guys (1:38:59) You’re hitting each other at 30 miles an hour combined every time you didn’t think you’re gonna get hurt (1:39:04) What do you what are you a child? You know what I mean? Like I don’t know how they would spin it, right? (1:39:09) And it doesn’t matter (1:39:13) How good you make the helmets or no, let’s say okay now we have targeting you can’t go helmet to helmet (1:39:18) Doesn’t matter the body (1:39:20) Correct.The whole body is is moving at a speed your brains in the body (1:39:26) Your relative speed is the same and then it stops so that brain is moving (1:39:32) Smashing in the front of your lobe or the back your lobe or the side (1:39:35) Regardless of where you’re hit (1:39:36) It might be a little more severe with the head because of the it might be faster and more direct (1:39:42) But it’s even on the body. It would still be jarred (1:39:48) Yeah, it’s a it’s taken a hit every time (1:39:52) nothing around that when a couple years ago three years ago or something a (1:39:58) couple of studies came out probably that that New York Times article and there was a few things like that and (1:40:03) That I that concussion movie with Will Smith was probably around that time (1:40:07) I’m guessing and I thought this is it and I haven’t watched the NFL (1:40:14) in (1:40:15) Over 20 years, so I watched college religiously until this year cuz (1:40:20) Cove it when the cheerleaders wear masks. I’m done.I’m done. That’s just I’m out and the strippers and the strippers (1:40:25) Oh, yeah, we’re not going to Jaguars, bro. Okay, sure 44 (1:40:30) What sugar 44 sugar 44? Yeah, I don’t know what that is.I (1:40:35) Don’t it’s a name of the same kind of place (1:40:38) Okay, a dream palace I know a dream Christy’s yeah that I know all of these highlighters (1:40:48) What’s a bourbon Bourbon Street, yes Bourbon Street Bourbon Street (1:40:54) Bourbon Street (1:40:55) That’s it Bourbon Street. Oh, it’s a culprit. I thought it’s the end of the sentence.I thought it’s BSC (1:40:59) No, that’s a club a nursery club BC is you know, it’s BSC because Bourbon Street Club. I think so. It’s called.Okay (1:41:04) That’s right. Is it sad that I know all the names? No, it’s not (1:41:09) But I’m not but I’m not broke. Hey, bro.I’m only a dollar ladies and (1:41:15) men gentlemen (1:41:18) What was that you? (1:41:20) What was what what was I saying? Oh (1:41:24) We’re talking about masks when the cheerleaders wear masks when the cheerleaders wear masks. I’m not gonna watch college you prick (1:41:32) I (1:41:32) Several years ago. I fucking hate you several years ago.I thought do you yes (1:41:38) Not with the stick of rage and please don’t do that really hurts it’s a lie (1:41:42) You know, it actually like it resonates like a chamber. It’s metal. I’m getting an ear te (1:41:49) Ete I’m getting an orgasm.Oh HR. Oh, so I (1:41:55) Honestly thought that (1:41:57) That was the beginning of the end for the NFL and (1:42:01) that’s the opposite like the ratings went up and (1:42:04) My home’s got that big-ass 450 million contract last year and it’s the opposite of what I thought (1:42:11) Actually happened. I think you might be misremembering sir.Well, you said ratings went down correct with (1:42:19) the Dallas (1:42:20) Mavericks owner Cuban because they went to Thursday night Sunday Sunday night Monday, correct (1:42:26) But that was not I don’t think that when did that was years ago. No, it was only three three or four years ago (1:42:31) No, because when did they go Thursday night Monday night Sunday night? (1:42:35) When did that happen the CTE thing this this is my opinion on I apologize. I (1:42:41) Was very abrupt.I want I want to clarify what I meant by that. This is my opinion of the (1:42:47) Pick the entire picture. Okay, I’ll paint.Okay to your point. Yes when they discovered that (1:42:53) That CTE was important it that wasn’t earlier a little bit earlier (1:42:58) Okay, but the reason ratings were still skyrocketing is because women were starting get involved in fantasy football (1:43:04) Okay, fantasy football and gambling started getting (1:43:07) Really big but it started being like women were way interested in it (1:43:13) And they were and and the NFL was really back and banking in on it as the players were beating the women, right? (1:43:19) Remember all the burying stories that they had there (1:43:22) Yes, yes, so it took me a second, okay, so you combine that you probably lost some of the women yeah, yeah (1:43:30) You should (1:43:31) You should that I don’t I? (1:43:36) I do believe in second chances. I (1:43:40) Don’t know in what I’d have to be specific on what case on a case-by-case basis (1:43:44) So I don’t want to say a name or whatever blanket but like someone who shouldn’t have been come back (1:43:50) There are some people who did some really really I’ll say a name (1:43:54) Okay of someone who should never come back.Oh, yeah. No. Well, yeah (1:43:59) Fucking Michael Vick that motherfucker should not be on dogs (1:44:03) It should fucking not be on fucking Fox 10 Fox (1:44:05) Whatever the fuck saying oh this cornerback is awesome (1:44:08) and they’re gonna win the blah blah blah of the year and then the way they do the (1:44:13) Fucking coverage of the deep this and the in the punt return.No, fuck that guy (1:44:18) He didn’t redeem himself in your opinion, I’m just asking no, okay, that’s (1:44:24) Yeah, and he’s an inarticulate jackass. Well, that’s a whole that’s a different. Let’s go.Let’s go to the proceed to me (1:44:30) It to me. It’s brass tacks, right? Can he actually speak? (1:44:34) Where I can I won’t listen to him I have no no, no, no, I totally get I was talking out of check marks (1:44:38) But we are just we are just conversing sir. It’s a conversation.What no, that’s all we do (1:44:43) I’m curious about this because I I totally get your point (1:44:47) I’m going let’s expound because I don’t know everybody who if who listens to this knows about the NFL about Michael Vick (1:44:53) Okay, so let’s accept the dogs. You’re correct. Yeah dogs.Let’s go with dogs (1:44:58) He break it down real quick. He (1:45:02) This needs to be discussed. Yeah, he’s a pre played it Virginia Tech (1:45:07) Quarterback he got drafted he played in the NFL (1:45:09) Whatever a couple years and then he got arrested and he spent three or four years in prison for dogfighting (1:45:18) Is that do you want to be more specific (1:45:20) That was he did dogfighting he grew but and the thing is I don’t I don’t try to excuse it (1:45:25) But I do try to look at the bigger picture (1:45:27) But I also don’t have I know your your love for the dog and the innocence (1:45:31) I absolutely agree with the innocence of the dog.This guy didn’t I it feels like he didn’t know better (1:45:38) okay, and (1:45:40) It it feels like he tried to redeem himself (1:45:43) Well, he’s trying to or he had sure like I’m not certain because once again (1:45:48) We’ve realized that we’ve been lied to by everyone (1:45:51) Yeah, and if they want him to be redeemed they can make him look like he’s been redeemed. So I oh, yeah (1:45:55) Like Ray Lewis same thing (1:45:58) That that’s really that’s the one against me is a murdering murderer (1:46:02) That’s the one that gets me (1:46:03) He murdered a guy at the Super Bowl the year before they went and won the fucking Super Bowl and he just never got (1:46:09) nothing (1:46:11) Fucking yeah, he’s a murdering murderer and he just never took one night that scares me and once again, that’s our opinions (1:46:18) Yeah, but my that’s a strong opinion. I have just like with OJ (1:46:23) But I we’re allowed to have them.So it’s cool. I don’t think a lot of people disagree with us. Would you agree? (1:46:30) No, I think everyone thinks what you did it.I’m saying I’m Ray Lewis as well (1:46:34) Well people still watch him every fucking suit every everybody still watches him every Sunday morning (1:46:39) I know I know whatever whatever channel that he’s on on the pregame every Sunday. My dad watched it. Yeah (1:46:46) He did.Yeah, dad. What do you do? Is that fucking ESPN morning fucking? Yeah every Sunday with Sunday countdown. Yeah (1:46:53) And he’s a fucking I don’t like times, too.Yeah (1:46:58) I like his counterpart. I like a lot of people. He used to be a lot of center Dan Patrick.No (1:47:06) African-american dude older Stuart Scott. No, he died. Yes (1:47:11) kind of chubby (1:47:12) He was boomers little assistant.He’s like little sidekick crap. Anyway, I like that guy anyway, I (1:47:19) Do not remember (1:47:21) Anyway, that’s that don’t you I should be apologizing. I remember his name.I should remember I I watch the ESPN a lot (1:47:27) I’d so changed now. It’s so fucking weird. Yeah, so do (1:47:30) How do you want to end on this that’s the specific topic of how the NFL and CT directly are related (1:47:39) well, it’s clear that (1:47:41) continuous blows to heads (1:47:44) brain sloshing and smacking inside the skull (1:47:49) creates CTE and (1:47:52) That’s all that sport is (1:47:55) So I didn’t like Jerry Jones before yeah, and then and yeah, they’re deniers if they’re fucking climate change deniers (1:48:02) They have to be okay their brand.What are they gonna admit to it? Exactly? What are they gonna admit? (1:48:08) What are they gonna? Oh, yeah, cuz the Catholic Church was so fucking happy to it to freely pull out weed out their own (1:48:15) their own fucking criminals their own rapists and (1:48:18) Molesters, right they were so these big systems love to to do self audits and be magnanimous and fucking (1:48:28) Altruistic, I’m sorry, man. I’m no I’m front. I’m so angry dude.I’m angry with you (1:48:33) I agree with you fucking more than a hundred percent. Oh angry (1:48:37) So angry that little jerk (1:48:45) But isn’t that true isn’t that what we’re talking about like these systems I (1:48:50) We’re talking about one specific, dude, right? (1:48:53) Well, he’s a mouthpiece for the NFL in a lot of ways. He’s like a big partner of her (1:48:58) He had the biggest he had the biggest stadium.He’s a mouthpiece for his bank account, right that too (1:49:03) But obviously and he’ll and and a lot of the owners are like, I don’t want to talk about this shit (1:49:09) I don’t want to be part of this. I don’t want to know right? I think they want to Joe Paterno it (1:49:13) I don’t want to hear about it. I don’t want to hear about I’m just here.I’m here to run a team (1:49:18) I’m here to sell concessions. I want to win a Super Bowl. Oh, yeah, I want to win the Super Bowl for my city (1:49:23) Yeah, I want to give back to the community the best I can (1:49:26) Blah blah blah.I want to sell more stuff at Home Depot (1:49:30) Arthur Blank, I was just saying cuz he’s an owner. Of course. Yes (1:49:34) No, he’s I’m not.He’s a nice guy. Sure. Nice guy.Hey, I got a story about that guy (1:49:39) I’m not gonna hey share another time, but you know how that is (1:49:43) So it’s easy to be you know, what plausible deniability, right? Yeah, I I would not want to know if I were an owner (1:49:51) I’m not gonna I mean, isn’t it hard to (1:49:54) It’s kind of like the guy we talked about that with whom I work that has a hundred and forty five (1:49:59) Yeah IQ. Yeah, I don’t want to know about that stuff. It’s like (1:50:04) You’re one of the people if knew if you if you care about knowing about it could help do something about it (1:50:11) right, the competent people are still want to be distracted from (1:50:17) making things better or (1:50:20) Taking a little bit more effort right consciously looking at something.That’s why we do this (1:50:26) Plus we probably like hearing ourselves talk a little bit, but I just like hearing you talk. I like hearing you talk (1:50:31) I’ve been I’ve been very I’ve been like loving your voice ever since the plate story. I’m like, oh, yeah (1:50:38) Yeah, cuz I’ve been cuz you listen to it seven more times.No, no (1:50:42) Three is a max bro. I’m done. I’m done (1:50:45) I might I might listen it with the Meg Z or something if she hasn’t heard it sometime, but (1:50:51) She’s listening to an El Chapo podcast, thanks Meg Z. I bet you Ava’s dog has heard it four times in her dreams (1:51:00) What’s really funny is that (1:51:02) Meg Z’s cleaning the pantry downstairs.She’s amazing. She’s an amazing woman. She’s got a little earbuds in I’m like, oh cool (1:51:08) What do you listen to? What what music you listen to? I’m listening to El Chapo podcast.Oh (1:51:14) And she hasn’t heard all of ours (1:51:16) Look at that crinkle look at your face (1:51:19) Who’s El Chapo, bro, the El Chapo podcast, bro. What do you think she listen to all of ours? (1:51:27) Okay, the last couple about that, you know the thing the t-shirts. I don’t know she’s gonna get past those (1:51:34) But anyway, those are funny funny, but you know, they’re a little they’re embarrassed (1:51:39) Okay, I could see her being embarrassed and I don’t want to embarrass her I love her and I’m in love with her (1:51:45) Okay, so on the CT thing on the NFL.Yeah. Well, do you agree? (1:51:50) Go ahead finish. Oh, do I agree? There was a quote (1:51:55) Well, I never saw the movie concussion, right? I also have not so I wanted to watch it, but whatever so I got busy (1:52:03) The I saw the preview like whenever it came out three years ago and it really stuck with me and (1:52:09) it said (1:52:10) the NFL owns Sunday (1:52:14) Not even not not God (1:52:17) the NFL and I was like, wow, that’s (1:52:22) That’s a that’s a big sentence.It’s true in the United States for sure not (1:52:30) Obviously just the u.s. I apologize. No apps. No, you’re so for the Canadian listeners.I apologize (1:52:36) It could even be can it could be Canadia, I don’t know when they play football (1:52:40) No, Canadian might like American football go and go argue. No, they have their own football, but they might enjoy football as a whole (1:52:47) So they’ll watch NFL. Yes, of course, but but globally we’re talking internationally.It’s certainly not correct (1:52:53) But it’s just it doesn’t it seems like the NFL is more popular in God. Yes, literally (1:52:59) Yeah, as is football soccer more popular in Europe than any other sport in the entire world, right? (1:53:05) Soccer is the most and and has been shown to have the most cases of concussions in CTE now in hindsight (1:53:11) They’re starting to find yes, cuz soccer is a more global sport than anything else, right? (1:53:15) But I’m just saying it’s like the most popular and it’s the highest it’s like the worst for it because there’s zero protection. Yeah anyway (1:53:23) Yeah (1:53:25) Right, how do you how do you going forward? How do you? (1:53:30) Address something like that when you have (1:53:34) When you have athletes that are (1:53:38) The way I might know it was bigger faster stronger (1:53:41) I mean these kids that are going they’re 18 going into college and the linemen are already (1:53:49) six five or taller (1:53:51) They’re already 300 pounds or heavier and they can run a 40-yard dash in four and a half seconds at 300 pounds (1:53:59) Yeah, and all they do is eat and lift (1:54:03) and then you’ve got at least three years of college and (1:54:08) all they do is eat and lift for three years and they learn plays and they play football and (1:54:16) My head this morning, I thought Jesus Christ there (1:54:20) They’re basically a human missile (1:54:22) because you’ve got (1:54:24) six five (1:54:26) 295 (1:54:27) Bearing down on you at 15 miles per hour.Yeah (1:54:33) Plus the you know enough with all the pads and shit. That’s another whatever five six pounds. I don’t know.So (1:54:39) That’s that’s bless you my child. That’s (1:54:43) That’s fucking to say that it’s dangerous is an understatement. And of course in the coming years (1:54:50) The kids are gonna get bigger.They’re gonna get stronger. They’re gonna get faster because that’s what (1:54:55) The society has conditioned them to do because they want to play and in college (1:55:01) College has become just as much a money-hungry sport as a pro (1:55:05) NCAA want to make money. Oh the Rose Bowl is sugar Bowl Beach Bowl.Those are all million-dollar things, right? (1:55:12) Absolutely, so they’re pushing their kids (1:55:15) To be badass athletes to be weapons (1:55:24) To get the job done, which is win the game, which is to be bigger than the guy across from you (1:55:29) Yeah, and take more punishment than the guy across from you. Mm-hmm (1:55:33) I have thoughts. I’m gonna shut up and let you talk.No, I’m please continue (1:55:38) I’m just saying I’ve I have two very salient thoughts. I think is salient a good thing (1:55:43) I don’t know what that even fucking I hope I’m looking (1:55:45) Okay, can you I look it up because I need to know that I just I guess my I’m sorry for the rambling (1:55:51) No, no, there’s no rambling. There’s only Zul (1:55:53) Yeah, the question is with I don’t see the kids getting slower or smaller, you know (1:56:00) I mean, I see them getting bigger and faster and more (1:56:04) Bad, and I don’t see any technology (1:56:07) Being able to help them from a head injury perspective.I just don’t see it. Obviously. I’m not a neurologist or (1:56:14) neurosurgeon or (1:56:16) Neuroscientists or anything of that fucking nature, but in theory the human brain rattles inside the skull and that can’t be stopped (1:56:23) so (1:56:25) What do you do to address this problem? Yes (1:56:28) So they are salient points that I have yes, please I had to look up what it meant (1:56:37) One would be (1:56:41) That (1:56:43) Really we’d have to address the parents pushing children into sports (1:56:47) That are real contact.Okay contact sports contact sports. I would say not tennis. There’d be a right (1:56:52) I was gonna go right to that one.That’s it. That’s like seriously. That’s an amazing sport.It is a (1:56:58) Amazingly competitive sport. It is athletic. It is strength endurance balance (1:57:04) I hand-eye coordination a lot of really not contact at all (1:57:09) Yeah, you could get hit by a ball.Okay shit happens boys and girls, but that’s rare (1:57:14) You know I’m saying like you get tennis elbow before you get a CTE. Yeah (1:57:20) Okay, that so that would be what it is would be that sport track and field (1:57:27) Right (1:57:27) Track and field be good. You can hammer throw.That’s not that’s not concussive. Just don’t get hit by one (1:57:32) Maybe not long jump because the landing might rattle you like honestly, yeah, you know triple jump long jump. Yeah (1:57:40) Hurdle hurdles is more smooth.So probably that’s okay (1:57:43) You know what? I mean? Yeah, so maybe kind of gauge right have but maybe have each sport have like a rating system of (1:57:52) It’s CT impact like CTE I (1:57:56) Right. I like this. So you have a because I’m a fucking genius (1:58:01) I know so you have a CTE.I it’s a CTE index (1:58:06) Each sport would have its level you look you still are free to play the sport if you want (1:58:11) This is this is America, right, but I would see them dwindling away (1:58:14) I would see people consciously stepping away from these if they saw the numbers if they saw like a rating scale (1:58:20) You’d probably push your person into a one out of a 1,000 CTE scale in tennis people still smoke, dude (1:58:27) Yeah, that’s okay, but that’s different (1:58:29) looks in addition (1:58:33) It’s an addiction. You can still be competitive in a sport. That’s just not contact, right? (1:58:37) You you can still make your competitive nature be it.You could still be alpha. You don’t think that Carl Lewis or (1:58:46) Michael Johnson or like anus the fast guy in the world (1:58:51) Usain Bolt great. Great.It’s actually (1:58:57) The pool, yeah, and they and I think it was HIV positive at that (1:59:01) Yeah, he was and they and that was like everyone was like cuz no one knew he didn’t know that could kill it, right? (1:59:07) sure (1:59:09) Well, you know, it’s also getting a cut and stuff. It wasn’t just whatever anyway (1:59:15) So you’d push them into so you like that CTE I I love it I (1:59:20) Love it. So it’s like hi.Look it’s still choice people are like to your point the warning labels on the cigarettes (1:59:27) They still smoke. You’re right, but they’re gonna do it. It’s that comes with personal (1:59:32) That comes with the individual rights and freedoms, right? Yeah, beautiful thing.So let’s let’s live with that. So CTE of 48 would be like (1:59:41) Field hockey for or something not about women’s field hockey old hockey is a big one, right or something (1:59:47) And it goes up and up and up right or whatever field hockey is actually probably higher than that (1:59:50) It’s probably I don’t know what the I don’t have an index number (1:59:53) It’s not I don’t have a QB are like a quarterback rating 19 and then a 19 correct. Is it 119? (2:00:01) Shit but we could do it ranked just highest to lowest without even having to wear one without batting an eye one would be that (2:00:08) like (2:00:10) Sitting at home on the couch (2:00:12) Yeah, one would be tennis probably and then 40 would be the NFL if it’s out of 19 not out of 100 (2:00:20) Football probably in the in the 70s like the worst sport and the least.Yeah, absolutely (2:00:25) Yeah, so it’d be like tennis at a 1 if it was out of 19 scale football would probably be 90 as a ranking (2:00:30) Okay, or soccer is up there (2:00:33) football soccer soccer football, whatever (2:00:36) They’re both pretty much up there field hockey actually is up there softball I believe is up there as well (2:00:43) Baseball not as much baseball. Well, there there’s less them (2:00:45) They’ve got a lot of the impacts out of the game at home plate and whatnot. So yeah (2:00:49) Yeah, they’ve addressed as best they can.Yeah, other than getting hit in the head with a ball with fastball at 98 (2:00:56) They’re getting poor getting hit from some guy who hit the ball at you (2:01:00) Yes, you didn’t get you know the pitcher getting hit back, right? Correct. So it could be a bunch of things. Those are bad (2:01:05) Awful.I hate watching. I can’t I know I don’t watch them. They might happen while I’m while my eyes are on it (2:01:11) But I’m not watching them (2:01:14) Anyway, so that’s my first thing.So a CTEI so an index that ranks all the sports (2:01:21) You still freedom but I think that if you don’t see it in front of your face like movie ratings (2:01:26) If how do you how does the parent know to say Charlie? You’re 10 (2:01:31) I can’t I don’t I don’t approve you going to a pg-13 movie yet. I don’t yeah. Yeah, right or I’ll go with you (2:01:41) I’m not a bad thing, right? Right.Okay second second addressing is (2:01:46) football weight limits (2:01:50) Okay (2:01:51) Lineman can weigh no more than 275 pounds Wow linebackers (2:01:57) 225 200 something like that running backs 180, you know, I mean, yeah (2:02:02) Make make each position have its limit and (2:02:13) The impacts would be less severe. Yeah. No, I know not not go away.It can’t go away (2:02:20) But to in touch and stuff is not the answer not like flag flags of answer. No (2:02:26) They know this right? It’s got a CTE index (2:02:29) It’s got the one of the higher CTE indexes now in on the polls on the polls Peralta (2:02:35) Index get the PPI the PPS the CTE (2:02:40) PPI yes, the CTE (2:02:43) Peralta polls index PPI. Okay, we’re I’m I’m loving this idea.I think someone’s gonna take this (2:02:50) I they’re gonna listen this podcast and they’re gonna steal the idea make a shit ton of money and we’re like (2:02:56) God’s darn it son of a nutcracker (2:02:59) So CT on that index, right plus the weight limit (2:03:03) That would make sense. I would that would be the best. That’s the best possible scenario (2:03:09) What are your thoughts on that? I love it.You’re a good with the weight limit thing (2:03:13) Yeah (2:03:14) I I think that’s gonna be and be healthier for the plate for the people too because those guys bulk up with meat and whatever (2:03:20) And they cut it down. Yeah, you ever see when they retire how thin they actually are (2:03:24) Yeah, like their walk-around weight like the guy’s like lost 150 pounds some guys don’t (2:03:30) Some guys don’t lose the weight some don’t but I keep eating and they stop exercise (2:03:35) Some do that. It’s just it’s like sad, right? (2:03:38) But a lot of guys actually just don’t exercise as much and eat a lot less (2:03:43) Yeah, they just don’t and they just it just burns on.Yeah, Jeff Saturday (2:03:47) I saw on the ESPN and a couple these other got Mark slur at the these guys are like lean (2:03:52) Yeah, so so weight limits would make sense why not do that because they’re just gonna be that weight anyway (2:03:57) Yeah, that’s their healthy weight, but people want to see that (2:04:01) The the the crowds that go to the games. I want to see the guy. I don’t I think it’s idiotic (2:04:06) I want to see the big guy.Yeah, they want to see the bigger guy, right? (2:04:09) I mean to me, yeah, but if you make weight limits, I think people would adopt it (2:04:13) One or two years and he’d be like, okay cool that cuz the line it’s all by position (2:04:18) So the lineman will still be bigger right ratio wise to everything because you could right now you could have a 300 280 pound running back (2:04:25) Yes, right like Derek Henry’s like 267 or something because he’s like six. This guy is on (2:04:33) freaking believable man, no joke and (2:04:36) You know, I hate I don’t want to hurt it, but he could he could be leaner (2:04:41) Yeah, he could be leaner. Yeah, they just you just have to have you have to make weight, but I can’t believe I mean (2:04:47) Because there’s some linemen that are six six.So for them to be (2:04:52) 280 I think is (2:04:55) They’re gonna have to do some cardio man, right? So, okay (2:04:58) So right now you’ve got most of them are what 315 320 at least. Okay, so you take right so you make it 300 (2:05:04) I mean you can make 275 is a pretty good number because that’s a heavyweight in the in the UFC (2:05:10) That’s the way that for the heavyweight for UFC or super heavyweight. I’m so heavy.I (2:05:17) Think it’s just heavyweight. Okay (2:05:19) It’s 275. Okay, that’s a good number.Yeah. I mean, yeah, I vote for you Matt. Look I (2:05:26) Brock Lesnar made weight (2:05:29) that Kaiser (2:05:31) Big dude, you know, I mean he made 275.He was like 260s, right? (2:05:38) These guys are huge in the MMA and they make weight (2:05:41) So, you know, you’re cut you’re probably cutting weight (2:05:44) But just like they would write like every week or something but man honest because it’s such a regular schedule (2:05:49) I think that that would do it in the season (2:05:51) they’d hit it and they’d probably continue for that’s and it probably be healthy to have that like (2:05:56) You you get on a diet like a month to ahead and you slowly get it down to the cut weight and then you run (2:06:01) It like you could do it very healthily (2:06:03) You know, yeah, if you did have off seasons where you didn’t where you gain it again (2:06:07) But most of these guys are year-round now, you know (2:06:10) Because they have to stay sharp because like any misstep or any if they’re a half step behind there (2:06:15) There are a million miles behind toast. So (2:06:18) So what do you those those two ideas work for you? Yeah. Yeah, I’m down (2:06:22) What are you at? What thought you have any other thoughts about how we could help resolve that kind of thing? Ah (2:06:30) No, I (2:06:31) Think I love your ideas and I think there’s no way those will ever be adopted because money is so (2:06:39) Prevalent and (2:06:41) the guys playing are millionaires the guys own the teams are millionaires the coaches are millionaires and (2:06:47) They don’t they’re willing to sacrifice their health (2:06:50) For money, that’s how I see it.Well the cats out of the bag (2:06:56) Okay, so here’s the truth. Everyone knows CTE happened from football. Everyone knows this (2:07:01) Yeah, like so now they just say everyone knows you’re still playing that’s on you.That’s how I do it (2:07:07) They’re no the NFL is no not no longer copable in my opinion (2:07:11) The the information is out there. Come on people. Do you need to be spoon-fed everything? (2:07:18) Do you need to have your butt wiped you need your socks put on you can do this (2:07:22) You’re big big boys and girls out there.Come on. Think what did I I think I just tweeted something (2:07:28) It’s actually gotten some weird double response and I mistyped a word. I (2:07:32) Manipulated manipulated.Why did I mistype it? But basically it was (2:07:37) We are all being manipulated (2:07:39) Please think for yourself. You can do it (2:07:42) You have the power you and only you and no one else can take that away from you (2:07:47) No one can take your thoughts away from you. Please think for yourself.I’m not telling you how to think I’m just (2:07:54) Asking you to have thoughts or think (2:07:58) What you think is on you? I’m cool. You know, we’ve we’re pretty we’re pretty cool about that, right? (2:08:03) We may not agree no you and I don’t even yeah, we disagree on all kinds of shit (2:08:08) We don’t agree like on your index is full of crap. Yeah, what’s the youngest age of? (2:08:15) An NFL owner, you know (2:08:18) For probably con (2:08:20) 40s 50s so 50s pipes.I don’t know. Do you think they had let’s say he’s 50 (2:08:26) Do you agree with that? Sure. So he’s 50.That’s pretty young for an NFL 55 (2:08:30) 55 so the rest of the guys, I mean Jerry Jones is like 70. Whatever. Yeah, so kiss (2:08:35) I mean he could dies in his 60s.He could Jerry Jones could die tomorrow or in 15 years, whatever (2:08:40) So he’s not I think he’s still like chewing on the placebo (2:08:45) Placentas or something. So he’s gonna live (2:08:48) Sorry, he’s gonna live forever. No, he’s not.Anyway, he’s not (2:08:53) So Jerry Jones is not worried about anything (2:08:56) Okay, but no the younger guys the younger owners (2:09:01) Should be thinking about the future like sure. Okay, the cats out of the bag as checkmark just said what’s the future of the NFL? (2:09:09) Because my team my money my future my family’s future is directly tied (2:09:16) What are you doing? Just mess around with you being super smart (2:09:24) everything (2:09:25) Hmm (2:09:26) so everything is tied to the end of my their trailer is (2:09:31) Hitched to the NFL truck, right? So we show the player. No, let’s say the youngest.Oh, yeah (2:09:37) Let’s say I’m the youngest owner. Yes, because it’s your it’s your product (2:09:41) Let’s say I’m the youngest owner of the Salt Lake City Argonauts (2:09:44) Okay (2:09:44) and I make a gozillion dollars and I own a stadium and (2:09:49) My players make a gozillion dollars, even though my team finishes eight and eight every year, whatever. Well (2:09:54) The future of my franchise and (2:09:57) My success and my team’s success my family’s success.My family’s fortune is tied directly to the team and the NFL (2:10:03) Well, if the NFL suffers, so do I so I’ve got to think ahead strategically (2:10:08) I got to think wait objectively way down the road like 15 20 30 years out (2:10:13) What’s the future of the NFL right and the CT is the information’s there like oh (2:10:20) fuck our (2:10:21) players gonna keep playing (2:10:23) in the coming years because (2:10:25) There’s guys that are retiring at the age of 23. Yeah, is that gonna be more prevalent our (2:10:31) Parents gonna be like, I’m sorry Johnny. You can’t play anymore (2:10:35) I hope you had a at the age of that’s the point right at the age of (2:10:40) 10 you had a concussion (2:10:42) You just you have to play golf for your kids, right for your kids sake (2:10:47) I would hope the parent would care what so will there be a trickle-down effect? (2:10:51) Yeah, I’m sorry triple up effect trickle up a fat trickle up down (2:10:55) Well, you know, it’s always whichever way it goes (2:10:57) So there will there be a trickle effect where will be a cold trick or a dick trickle all the trickles? (2:11:02) Let me add a cocoa.Let me a car (2:11:04) Where’s my Splenda packets? So meow? (2:11:07) That are those things gonna directly affect the NFL in the in the coming 20 years. Yes, I can speak to all of that (2:11:13) So what is that because the older owners are gonna be gone, right? (2:11:18) But the younger owners are they already thinking oh fuck what do I do (2:11:26) No, I’ll take well they did they are but not really they aren’t what the fuck does that mean? (2:11:32) If you didn’t explain I might tell you something, please explain them (2:11:36) I’m just first of all (2:11:38) I am completely confusing because I make no sense until I explain it 14 times because my communication one time (2:11:44) No, my communication skills are awful (2:11:46) It’s my fault. I will ban you from the treehouse Tucker.Oh (2:11:49) Live from the treehouse in Phoenix, Arizona, ladies and gentlemen (2:11:53) Here it is (2:11:55) Most NFL owners the NFL team is their playground. It’s their sandbox. It’s not their primary (2:12:01) It’s not the Bidwell’s generally, right? (2:12:03) Jerry Jones has money at bought the Cowboys with money from his wins or Arthur blank is Home Depot (2:12:10) Why Wayne Huizenga was waste management, for example, he doesn’t have the Dolphins anymore (2:12:15) But most of these guys American for the Jaguars, that’s their play.That’s their play thing (2:12:21) So they’re this so they don’t care. It’s not really (2:12:23) Yeah, I don’t care about the NFL. Is it a much of moneymakers is to like say I own an NFL team (2:12:29) It’s a lot of you as much he goes as money because they don’t have money.Okay, they’re not short of money (2:12:34) Okay, that’s one. Well, that’s one point but for the Bidwell’s of the world (2:12:38) Right for the Bidwell’s of the world it would make sense to squirrel away your nuts (2:12:44) yeah, or (2:12:45) invest in something else like (2:12:48) United Arab Emirates sits on on oil diversify (2:12:52) They know that the oil is going away in 20 years or so where they had like some projection 20 30 24. Yes, of course (2:12:59) So let’s get solar or something.Well, no, so what did they do? They built all those beautiful build Dubai and all that. Yeah (2:13:06) It’s all tourism high-end island 90% of the gold 90% of the world’s gold moves through Dubai (2:13:14) Wow, I saw some weird statistic. I’m just saying like they invested to your point.They diversify (2:13:20) They didn’t just sit on the oil note because it’s gonna go away (2:13:22) Yeah (2:13:23) so they took that revenue and poured it back in to their infrastructure and their stuff and now they’re (2:13:28) Because they know that’s what else we doing right but the NFL (2:13:33) Right needs to realize that they could be losing this product (2:13:37) It’s one of two things. They either realize it squirrel away realize it by you know by a (2:13:44) Football team or maybe stay in sports maybe go into entertainment right or to buy something else, right? (2:13:50) TV station radio, whatever (2:13:53) or (2:13:53) They hold on so tightly holding on to every penny as it comes in (2:13:58) Knowing it’s gonna just bleed dry and they can’t they won’t reinvest in it (2:14:02) They just let it, you know, squeeze it out for every nickel that they can so what will be the last year of the NFL? (2:14:10) Never I don’t think so. I (2:14:13) Honestly, I think a weight limit in (2:14:15) Remember I told you I think that they’re gonna all play from one central location without fans and it’s all gonna be televised (2:14:21) Yes (2:14:21) I have a feeling it’ll shrink to like something like that and it might have you know (2:14:26) Enough fans a thousand people just to cheer or something, you know to have a little atmosphere, right? (2:14:31) Yes to make it kind of realistic (2:14:34) And the they may have weight limits at that point, right? (2:14:36) Why not make the whole changeover all one shot weight limits like it’d be more like not rugby.It would be like (2:14:44) But it would be it would be quicker because with a limit. There’s no sluggishness at all, right? These guys would be really fit and (2:14:52) They could televise it and still make revenue with it and still have teams or I don’t know (2:14:58) They would still make revenue but not the revenue they’re making today. No, no be drastically less (2:15:04) It depends if people watch it or not.Yeah, that’s watchable. Of course. It really does depend if it’s watchable, right? (2:15:10) And people might just be turned off by all violence in a couple years.Who knows? That’s I didn’t think about that (2:15:15) I mean, yeah as the older generations start to fade away (2:15:18) Millennials getting older do Millennials like football (2:15:23) Well, I I I don’t want to use labels I’m finding that younger people than us (2:15:31) Yes have different priorities (2:15:33) That’s why I asked the question different different culture. We we’re the last I it’s my opinion. We’re the last you and I (2:15:41) Minus 10 year, you know plus 10 years or 10 years younger up to that level ish.Maybe right on that area, right? (2:15:47) We’re the last of the physical (2:15:49) World meaning like I need to touch it like the manufacturing so important blah blah blah (2:15:55) We’re not the digital world like the quality that know the transition from touching physical manufacturing. Yeah to being digital service world (2:16:05) It’s a totally different world, right? Yeah, we’re all hardwired. We were all yeah, everything was physical to us (2:16:11) Like yeah to make money.We need money. We need cash. We need physical bills in our hand, right? Yeah.Yeah (2:16:16) They’re all digital they’re paying with their phones and yeah, and that’s not that’s not a criticism (2:16:21) No, it’s just a change in society. It’s a change in for I get it (2:16:24) I understand they’re going from paper to to the screen then move, right? (2:16:28) They’re going from the paper printout to keeping it on their iPad or whatever. Yeah.Yeah. Yeah, so they have that (2:16:35) It’s a different faucet. They’re not there.They’re not I don’t think there is interested in the the bang banging sports (2:16:41) Unless their parents sounds like porn unless their family has some kind of ties to it, you know, I mean, yeah (2:16:48) I’m not seeing that but that’s kind of the feel I get like, you know, I agree (2:16:52) No young people really talk football and I was do that if the NFL goes away would would they even care? (2:17:00) You know, yeah (2:17:02) I’ll tell you remember. Hi. I had 11 fantasy football.Yes, I recall I (2:17:10) The team that I grew up with last yesterday on college lost and I’m like, okay and (2:17:17) Today football’s on I’m like, I mean I watched like I didn’t watch it (2:17:22) it would know you’ve been on for a little bit while I was doing something, but I wasn’t like I (2:17:26) was (2:17:27) Obsessed with sports like it ran that it wasn’t tribalism (2:17:31) I love the strategy of the game and all that stuff, but I loved the sport, right? (2:17:37) It has zero impact on my life anymore, I don’t know why I mean I can kind of guess just my priorities change (2:17:44) Yeah, of course, but it’s weird that they’ve changed that much (2:17:49) Do you want to hear about the conversation I had this morning? Yes, this is so do you want to close it off on that? (2:17:55) Then I have one other point. Okay, which one would you is the last point more? (2:18:00) Yes, better than okay. Cool.Yeah, do it in your life. Yeah, I got it. Hey, we’re in different rooms, bro (2:18:09) We’ve got a divider (2:18:16) I chatted with a friend of mine this morning and she has twin boys and they’re 12 years old and they both play (2:18:25) Full contact tackle football (2:18:28) So I I said I said hey you have and I didn’t I didn’t think about it until I was like fuck (2:18:35) I need to call her.I said, hey, do you have time for a chat this morning? (2:18:38) She’s like, yeah, so we chit-chatted about old times and stuff and (2:18:43) It’s really nice to catch up with her I haven’t talked to her in a little while and that I love that (2:18:47) We’ve opened up to people like this. Yeah reach out to a lot more people that we started this. Yeah (2:18:51) I I do could not agree more man.Yeah, I love that as well (2:18:55) So I was like so I said I’m gonna ask you this and it’s none of my fucking business (2:18:58) You can tell me to fuck off. You don’t you don’t have to answer this. I said, so we’re doing the podcast today on CTE (2:19:05) How do you feel? (2:19:08) About the boys and CTE.How does their dad feel? How does your boyfriend feel? (2:19:14) And she goes she goes honestly, I really have given it no thought at all. I don’t they they play in their (2:19:22) weight division so they’re (2:19:25) 122 to 125 that’s how much each kid weighs and the weight divisions up to 139 so they play in their division and (2:19:34) She says she goes honestly, I’ve never really given it any thought at all (2:19:38) I haven’t really read I choose I know what it is. I’ve read an article or two, but nothing overly thorough (2:19:45) she said one of her sons did get hit pretty hard in the past year and he went down and (2:19:52) She ran out on the field and (2:19:55) Checked on him and he was okay, but he did you know, she she used the words he got his bell rung and I was like (2:20:01) That’s bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing.That’s something (2:20:05) Somebody our age would say that’s not you know, I mean so she said (2:20:14) Maybe I do have my head and maybe I am like an ostrich with the head in the sand (2:20:18) That’s those are her words. And I said, hey, can I can I quote you? You know, she said yeah, we’re not talking her (2:20:23) No, no, and she goes I’m really sorry if I don’t I say no don’t apologize. I said I wanted an objective opinion (2:20:28) I wanted oh, I want the truth.How do you feel about it? (2:20:31) We’re allowed to feel things exactly I said I want an opinion from somebody from a parent that has kids in full in that (2:20:39) we’re helmet, you know, the kids have helmets and they look super cool in the field and I you know (2:20:43) I see that and I miss playing and yeah, you know, I tried I loved my time out of the style (2:20:48) You know, I got put I played neighborhood without pads. We played blood Bowl. I (2:20:54) Knocked I I ran at people (2:20:56) Like as a running back I ran at people I didn’t I didn’t shy I wanted contact like I loved that (2:21:04) Yeah, it’s worse because I had the same hits with zero protection, right? So everything got like all my joints are just completely (2:21:13) For a little flop.Oh go flop. Oh flip flop some flop flips. They’re kerfuffled all that shit.So that’s just (2:21:21) She had a really (2:21:23) we had a really nice conversation and (2:21:25) But that shows that there are there’s parents on every side of the spectrum and that she’s she’s like I so I said (2:21:33) Are you I said obviously the boys love it and obviously you’re okay if they play it (2:21:37) She goes, yeah, of course, they love it. And next year, they’ll be in eighth grade and next year (2:21:42) They will not play, you know in a weight division. They’ll play their age to universe.Whatever. Yeah, it’ll be yeah junior JV, correct. So (2:21:51) She’s like but it’s it’s up to them if they want to play (2:21:54) Yeah, I get that I mean but the glory around it I mean everyone’s glorified, right (2:22:01) Yeah, yeah, so it makes I mean the kids not it’s hard for the kid to say no and there probably is still some pressure (2:22:07) I like oh, you’re so good.The eat, you know, I mean, yeah (2:22:11) Play great today. Yeah (2:22:13) Yeah. Yeah, of course, and I don’t know that but I mean that would make sense from a human perspective (2:22:18) That’s how people yeah, right and yeah, and you know, I go to I go to the nihilistic part of me or the the (2:22:25) people equal shit part and I I’m not calling out your your friend at all, but (2:22:31) She she knew nothing like basically nothing about it.Very little right once again (2:22:39) You can’t wake someone yeah pretending to be sleeping right like it’s not on her radar because she’s not she’s not (2:22:48) It’s not on her attention span. It’s not on it’s just not there (2:22:52) Like it is like with us once again (2:22:54) You and I have to look underneath every like it to our detriment. We’ve talked about this multiple times, right to our detriment (2:23:02) We look behind the curtain and under and look for the strings (2:23:04) And yeah, of course, but we find a lot of shit behind there when we look don’t we? (2:23:10) Yeah with just looking so I mean (2:23:15) It she’s distracted because she’s allowing herself to be straight why should you know, I mean, it’s like not it (2:23:20) But it that the the problem is it actually is impactful to her life.Unfortunately. I’m not judging her. I (2:23:27) She’s she can feel what she feels about it.That’s just my opinion, right? (2:23:32) Yes, and I’m not blaming her but that’s unfortunate that she knows (2:23:36) Relatively nothing about it true. And I think that (2:23:41) It goes to show that there’s gonna be (2:23:44) ends of the spectrum (2:23:46) Regarding if I talked to a hundred parents (2:23:49) Let’s say there’s a hundred parents in (2:23:52) In her let’s say in that league with all of her with her kids. There’s gonna be some in on all (2:23:59) Spectrums like oh no, I withdrew Johnny right away as soon as I heard that this or that or the other thing happened (2:24:06) Excuse me, or I you know what? He loves it and he’s been safe and (2:24:12) It’s fine or it no, I have no idea what you’re talking about.I never what CT it. I mean she knew what it meant (2:24:18) She so I mean, yeah (2:24:21) You have to cut really live on a rock to not hear at all about it in some way, correct? (2:24:26) So but I just right if I took a larger survey how many people would? (2:24:31) Yeah, I’m really aware and I watch like a 2% I’m really aware. I watch him like a hawk the first concussion (2:24:37) He’s done and I have another friend that doesn’t incentivize you to report it.Does it? (2:24:44) Well, if you I’m just I’m just yeah, no, but if you can be really done, I agree (2:24:48) I agree. I have one I have another friend and he’s got two boys. They’re not twins and (2:24:53) They both played soccer ones (2:24:56) He one kept the younger one kept getting injured like shoulder and then and then he got hit in the head (2:25:03) But he wasn’t really bad.He’s like no, I don’t I’m okay. I don’t have a headache. I don’t have dizzy (2:25:07) But he quit he’s like, yeah, I don’t I don’t and he started playing golf.Yeah and baking. I’m like, dude (2:25:14) Good for you, man. I’m a great British baking show.He’s (2:25:18) Shit, he makes man’s great good, dude. It was like the best tasted. That’s all I had to say about that (2:25:24) That’s all I have one final point whenever you’re ready, sir.I am ready for all your points (2:25:29) Hey now come blunt the last point blunt force trauma is (2:25:33) Something that one of the best athletes to ever live stated the two-sport athlete (2:25:40) Heisman Trophy winner Bo Jackson. I (2:25:43) Love though Auburn football, Kansas City Royal LA Raider LA Raider. I believe Oakland Raiders.I (2:25:51) love (2:25:52) Bo’s oh new Bo knows bro. He knew bro. He still knows.Yeah (2:25:57) he said that if (2:26:00) knowing (2:26:02) What he knows now (2:26:04) He would not have played football (2:26:07) Can you believe that shit this dude won the Heisman Trophy? (2:26:13) That is hard (2:26:14) to believe (2:26:16) May I color that a little bit though, please? (2:26:18) Context I get my opinion. Remember I look but people look behind the curtain. Yeah, what did I write right away? (2:26:23) Do look behind the curtain? Yeah, remember his football injury though.No (2:26:27) We went out of bounds looked innocuous he fucked his hip up. Oh, I don’t couldn’t play after that (2:26:32) He couldn’t play football. He came back tried and he yeah, he got injured.He was out (2:26:37) He shouldn’t he didn’t retire because he was old. He was in the prime. He specifically talked about CTE, dude (2:26:44) I need to do with know what I’m saying is he can’t can’t one say if I knew what I knew now (2:26:49) See now that he’s also been out of he lost his career due to a hip injury from football (2:26:55) He could still use that as his if I knew I wouldn’t have done it right a regret of (2:27:01) Course, dude, right? I’m just saying I’m saying we’re human.We do that sometimes (2:27:05) Yes, so I’m I’m trying to put it within a range like within context (2:27:11) Bo Jackson’s career ended when he went out of bounds and like fell awkwardly on his hip it brokes (2:27:18) It shattered in some weird spirally way and he never recovered from that. He had to he had to quit (2:27:23) So coming back in hindsight and saying well if I knew about CT, I would never played (2:27:29) Well, you lie. He was injured in playing football.Anyway, so it may have already tainted (2:27:34) It may have been a biased hip injury is not gonna fucking make your brain get crippled. No, my point is I understand your point (2:27:41) My point is he lost his (2:27:42) His ability to play anything even baseball because of football so he could just be bitter, bro (2:27:49) But it is very telling it is telling that Bo Jackson of all people and he also cuz he’s a two-sport athlete (2:27:54) He was the alpha. He was he was alpha everything.Yeah, he was every he also discourages his kids from playing football (2:28:01) I don’t know if they do the article didn’t say smart, but I (2:28:06) Think he knows he also knows the pain they play through. He knows all the other stuff that they inject you with right? Yeah (2:28:13) like (2:28:14) The movie the program is like one of my favorite (2:28:18) college football (2:28:20) Movies, are you familiar with that? (2:28:22) I am James Cahn’s the coach and like they the guy takes steroids and then he gets a urinate a wizenator (2:28:29) To switch out the P and the other guy like he puts all his money into his talent and then he loses it (2:28:34) You know, so he can’t play anymore and it’s just the ugliness of that, right? (2:28:38) Yeah, any given Sunday to some extent but right the program was really telling to me like blue chip, right? (2:28:44) Just behind the scene that ugliness that they the exploitation of those children that are malleable, that’s one of the Dawson’s Creek (2:28:53) I don’t want I don’t want to live your I don’t want your life. I don’t want your life (2:28:59) You mean DJ do you mean Diplo? Have you seen that? (2:29:03) That show yet? No (2:29:05) What show? (2:29:07) James Vander douche.Yeah is in a show called Diplo where he’s like a DJ (2:29:12) It’s the funniest thing. It didn’t go past two seasons. I’ve ever watched (2:29:17) I’ll just like the one scene with a chick in the cool whip.Yeah, it was varsity blues. You varsity blues. Thank you (2:29:22) You’re welcome.I get that and Friday Night Lights. Yeah, and Bubba. Yes, but I got protect your back (2:29:27) I got protect my quarterback and he’s number 69 at the strip club with the teacher.Yeah (2:29:33) And that’s all I gotta say about that. Well, it’s an excellent point (2:29:38) And also James Vander douche is also phenomenal in a Kesha video just seen us the blow video it’s got unicorns, bro (2:29:44) You should watch that. No, let’s never talk about can uh, can we do a (2:29:48) Can I get a little you can see this? They can’t can you do a little this show it off? Yeah a little showing off (2:29:56) Cuz I think it’s I hope stay there you go.I think it’s almost time right? Is it time? (2:30:01) What was your last point was that the last point my last point is Oh last point (2:30:06) What does everyone else think what is everybody else think about the future of the NFL (2:30:12) Do we as humans? (2:30:17) Encourage kids not to play contact sports (2:30:20) Can safety measures be put in place to protect? (2:30:24) Kids young adults adults of both genders. What can we do? How do we make things better? Do we? (2:30:30) What do we do as as humans going forward to (2:30:34) Help stop these things because this is obviously gonna get I think it’s gonna get worse. Am I wrong? (2:30:40) Is it gonna get worse before it gets better? Where do we go from here? You guys tell me? (2:30:45) Well said well asked (2:30:49) To that end yes (2:30:52) Yeah, we want to know you think I (2:30:56) don’t I (2:30:57) Don’t know (2:30:58) It’s a tough one cuz you and I believe in you know, your individual rights to do stuff I (2:31:05) hate telling people they can’t do something that (2:31:10) that’s I I (2:31:11) It’s probably one of one of the mere one of myriad reasons.I (2:31:16) Did not have children (2:31:19) Right is like I don’t think I can tell people (2:31:22) I don’t think I can tell people to do stuff and like stick to it, right? Right? I just feel like a dick (2:31:28) and (2:31:29) So I’m I’m torn between the safety of the humans that are playing (2:31:33) Yeah, they they do know the risk, but they don’t know the risk because they didn’t they haven’t experienced it yet, right? (2:31:39) So they think they’re right right right going to that all the time youth (2:31:42) You know youth is wasted on the young isn’t it like the Wiz cuz the wisdom’s not there (2:31:48) You know, they have to experience to get there (2:31:51) but then by the time they experience it now, they’re old people and or elder and they’ve gone through their shit and (2:31:59) Wouldn’t be great to have that wisdom plugged into that youth. I mean, yes that young body, right? Yeah (2:32:03) You do you you live differently you have different outlooks on the world. You really would it’s all true man.Nothing (2:32:12) Nothing beats experience. You can read every article on the internet till you get to the end of the internet (2:32:17) I’m reaching the end of the internet (2:32:19) It is not it pales anything in comparison to taking a trip to another country. Just for example, just just that (2:32:27) nothing (2:32:28) true experience is (2:32:31) Where it’s at I? (2:32:33) Concur and with that said I think we got to show that shirt again.We’re gonna show the shirt twice (2:32:38) Aren’t we do we have a war but wardrobe change before before the BG? No for the you could be dancing (2:32:45) BG time (2:32:48) W-o-w-g-g-g (2:32:51) Nice (2:32:53) Shirt squeaky, bro. Would you it’s yes squealy. Would you like to close it out, sir? Yes be excellent to each other (2:33:01) And with that ladies and gentlemen, we are back on video (2:33:05) Did you did you do bang? I love you man.We’re like the best. I know, huh? (2:33:11) hostile away go. 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