A conversation about U.S. medical insurance as a whole

Chris and Mark discuss U.S. medical insurance as a whole and question why many holistic/other “treatments” aren’t covered.
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Transcript:

(0:22) Hello? We’re having a stare-down. Yeah, I think I… Checkmark dared me not to speak (0:27) during the intro. I did.He reverse-psychologied me. I don’t appreciate that shit. (0:31) It’s because we know how to be manipulated, sir, by ourselves.Ah, poop. We used our worst enemy. I hate being (0:37) manipulated.We’ve used our worst enemy. Oh, man. How are you, sir? I’m just muy bien y tu? (0:42) Welcome to Sunday.Sunday, Sunday. November the 29th of 2020. I don’t know what’s going on with (0:52) the COVID.I’ve only had self-lockdown. Ah, it’s funny. Turned off the internet.Turned it all off, (0:58) man. No social media, nothing. You turned off the interwebs? No, I would never do that because I’m… (1:02) I need to be connected in some weird way.Okay. Welcome. Hola.Is it Knocked Conscious, (1:07) I believe? It is. This time? Yes. We’re getting serious, ladies and gentlemen.It’s the worst. (1:10) Yeah, we’re going to talk about some stuff. What’s, uh, what’s on the docket for this? (1:14) The docket, uh, broadcasting live from, check mark.The Treehouse in Phoenix, Arizona. (1:23) From the home office and also in Phoenix, Arizona. But your branch headquarters is… (1:29) The branch headquarters is in G-Town in Gilbert, AZ.That’s your casa, sir. Yeah. (1:35) How do we make this thing delay? Oh, so you choose… (1:39) Yeah, you do.Yep. See where it says reads two, just change it to one or one and a half. Just (1:43) push one of the other buttons.It’s 0.5, 1.5, 0.5, and 1. No, not cut. You have to go back to auto. (1:52) Oh.Auto and then the delay. Okay. (1:55) Did it, oh, did it cut? Yay, me.Oh, yay. You got transitions. Check it out.I learned technical (2:01) stuff. So we’re, we’re back on video. I know it’s only like day 10 or so, but we’re trying.(2:07) It’s only our second time with dual cameras and like this new system. Dueling dustbusters. (2:13) Spending all this money on this thing.Yeah. But, um, Magzy thought the two seconds too much. (2:19) It’s okay.It doesn’t matter. One and a half? I was thinking a one. Okay.And then we’ll split (2:23) the difference. One. And then if it’s not enough, then we’ll just go to one and a half.And that has (2:27) to be the password. All right, here we go. It’s now on one.And for the audio people, we’re, (2:34) we’re, we have a fade in fade out of the two cameras. Yes. We’re tra we’re transitioning.(2:38) And once again, I am in control of crappy sound buttons and you’re in control of the (2:44) awesome video. I’d much rather have the sound buttons. I know that’s why you can’t have them.(2:48) That’s not cool. How am I the immature one in this podcast? No, you’re not the (2:53) immature one. You’re the overuser of one.It’s totally, this is the thing. (3:00) When I want to do something, I try not to use it. You want to use it.So it’d be overused. (3:07) I will let, look, I promise that you get to use the stick of fury to initiate story time (3:13) when you see fit. Cause I know you have a story time with this one.(3:18) Okay. I’m so scared. (3:22) So, um, we have this, uh, serious topic.Yeah. Originally the idea was brought to me from a (3:33) friend and the idea was why isn’t natural and homeopathic medical care covered under your (3:45) insurance? That’s the original idea. So I Googled that.And in a general sense, (3:51) if I may please, of course, homeopathic is in salves bombs, not FDA types of supplements, (3:57) chiropractor, massage, homeopathic things, homeopathic remedy. Yes. So that also includes (4:05) herbs, teas, um, massage, acupuncture.What kind of teas? Like (4:17) what? Oh, a tease. No. Yes.That should also be covered. This should be held. That’s part of (4:24) mental health and emotional and touching and spiritual and lots of touching.Lots of touching, (4:30) not no touching all of the touching. So teas, sorry. Uh, drinks.Yeah. So herbal teas, (4:35) anything that promotes crystals even, yes. Anything that promotes wellbeing from any (4:40) perspective.Why isn’t that covered under the insurance your company offers you or Cobra, (4:46) which is an Arizona or Obamacare or, you know, whatever insurance, uh, whether it’s, you know, (4:53) um, I think Cobra is everyone after you leave, but access is the Arizona one. A H C C S S S S. Sure. (5:01) I think Cobra kicks in like when you say you quit your job, you can buy, you can continue your (5:06) current thing and pay your half plus your, yes, your, yes, sir.Yes, sir. A company’s half, I (5:12) think. Yes.And it’s expensive as shit, but, uh, why aren’t all of the non, so you can go to your (5:19) doctor and you can get a cat scan and you can get, um, anti-seizure meds, but you can’t get (5:26) an acupuncturist or a psychiatrist. Those things aren’t paid for. So why is that? That’s the (5:34) original idea.And especially one of the thoughts to that is the mental health is one of the largest (5:41) things that we’re starting to see, right? We’ve, we, how many times we talk about physical was PTSD (5:45) or whatever it was, but now it’s this mental condition. It’s, it’s these mental things (5:51) become physical man, the physical manifestations from your mental issues. I mean, you break out (5:57) in hives or you have anxiety, your elevated heartbeat.So your physical ailments or your (6:03) physical results or effects could be directly resulting from, from a mental state. Well, (6:12) yes, I agree. And, and I mean, I would want to go back to what I said on the Catholic podcast, (6:17) where Tyson firmly, firmly believe that his cancer was directly affected to his abuse from (6:25) father Harris.So, and that, that was his opinion of his experiences and his cancer. So that’s, (6:32) that obviously can’t be proven, but he was incredibly traumatized and incredibly haunted (6:38) individual. So I, I have to give his theory credence.And it was barely a physical act (6:47) in his case, because from the story that you shared, something happened, but it wasn’t even (6:54) a full fledged, like event. Yeah. He wasn’t abused like over 10 years or something.Right. (7:00) Or like it was a one-time thing. Right.And it was, and it’s from what at least was shared, (7:04) I don’t know what happened in the court records, but it was like, it was like an attempt. (7:08) And there was touching, but it wasn’t correct. Like a, it didn’t whatever.It wasn’t an hour. (7:15) Right. Yes.I understand what you’re saying. I’m not, not trivializing the event, (7:18) but I understand what you’re saying. How strong the mental aspect of that, just from that little, (7:24) from that small experience, how widely that affected him mentally.Yes. I totally get you (7:30) go football. Yeah.Mark’s putting on the football game because he’s weird. (7:35) I’m aware of it. So we started researching why isn’t, why aren’t all those things covered? (7:42) Whether it’s your acupuncturist because, or your chiropractor, why isn’t that covered? Like, Hey, (7:48) I have headaches because my neck’s messed up or my lower back’s messed up.So I go get cracked (7:55) every two weeks, every month, whatever it is. And I feel so much better after, and it relieves (7:59) tension and this and that. And people, they firmly, firmly believe in that.And that’s amazing. (8:06) And that’s not covered under insurance. And even if you have the best insurance, (8:10) it’s still not covered.So there’s these other programs that most companies have, (8:14) HSAs and FSAs. And I don’t really understand the difference between those two, but you have to (8:19) sure. Or we don’t have to, we can we put employees can put money into those things.(8:25) Then they use that money and it’s tax deductible. They use that money and then they pay for an (8:31) acupuncturist or a chiropractor or their shrink or their, it’s a pre-tax draw. Right.Right. So (8:36) you don’t get hit. Right.So, um, they use that, but once again, it’s not, it’s, you’re still (8:44) paying for that coverage. Right. So you’re actually paying for the ability to do that.(8:50) Correct. Which is kind of funny. You’re actually paying to like, for example, I’m with Cigna, (8:55) my company’s with Cigna.So you’re paying to get Cigna rates. So you’re paying a flat rate (9:00) plus taking an extra amount of money and putting into this HSA account from which you use to pay (9:06) for all your medical things or at least subsidize as much as possible. Yeah.Yeah. You subsidize it (9:11) like crazy. Yeah.It’s, it’s really weird, but it, yeah, that’s the system they’re in now or (9:17) they’re at. So it’s crazy. I’m just, I’m, and that’s confusing to me.Very confusing. Uh, (9:25) the FSA is like a, what was called a flexible spending account. That’s more for like medical, (9:28) like a lot of times it was over the counter, like aspirin banding.That’s all your co-pays (9:33) can come out of there. Right. The HSA, that’s where the co-pays can come out.The flexible (9:38) spending is like for other things. I think it’s really, it’s confusing. Okay.Now I’m working. (9:44) Yeah. Well the FSA, I think you can do it like as a one-time thing.Like say you help me get braces (9:48) this year. So you can, you can put squirrel money away just in FSA to pay for that. But don’t eat (9:55) any squirrels.Yeah. But well, sushi, sushi, but no squirrels. Well, squirrels, but no sushi (10:00) apparently.Or squirrel tacos, bro. Okay. Um, and what we did, we did pull, you pulled from a (10:08) specific article.Yes, sir. I just want to be clear if you’d like to share what that is and we’ll put (10:13) that up on the show notes. Of course.Um, the article stated that, uh, $1.5 trillion every (10:23) single year in the U S is spent on healthcare trillion with a T and that’s a lot of damn money. (10:30) So, um, that’s 1500 billion. That’s a lot of money or 15 million million.(10:39) Sure. So within that something like that, trillions of dollars, patients pay 30 billion (10:47) out of their own pockets for non-traditional care. So outside of that 1.5 trillion, (10:53) it’s an additional 30 billion that like I go, if I go see a therapist, if I go anything that’s (11:01) not under my insurance, that’s out of that, that’s out of my own pocket, whether you have it, (11:07) whether you have an HSA or whatever, that’s my money.That’s not covered. Whether I go see an (11:13) acupuncturist, whether you go see a chiropractor or there’s a million different things. Let’s say (11:20) you go see a homeopathic medical doctor, that person’s of which there are many in Arizona, (11:26) for sure.Scottsdale is lit. I mean, there’s a lot around the country, but specifically like (11:31) Sedona. I mean, we live in a very energy, like outside outdoors, weather, you know, beautiful (11:38) weather kind of town city.So we’re especially affected by that with the kind of the where we (11:43) live. Yeah. More than like Boise, Idaho.I don’t see as many, or, you know, like somebody in (11:50) Kentucky or something, there wouldn’t be like a homeopathic crystal store. I would say like, (11:54) you know what, I’m not going to, let’s just move along. Um, you can say whatever you want.(11:59) I would say like Texas wouldn’t be a big place where homeopathic medicine would be. Okay. But (12:05) I would say like Boulder, Colorado would probably Colorado would be huge.I would say Berkeley, (12:09) California, it would be huge. San Francisco. I would, I would, I mean, yeah, there’s certain (12:14) places that you’d look at, at the, the mentality or the philosophy of the people that live there.(12:20) The culture, like Colorado is a very open type thing. So it totally makes sense. I mean, (12:24) they legalize psilocybin mushrooms.So you’re, I mean, I would assume Portland, Oregon, (12:28) considering they legalized all that, you know, Washington, Seattle, things like that. (12:33) Yeah. I’d like to say the woke people, but in a, well, that’s not, I mean, they just want to, (12:38) I wouldn’t necessarily say woke, but I would say they, they look at things from a different (12:41) perspective.Like, Hey, maybe I should try something that’s natural versus something (12:46) that’s synthetic and see what happens, you know? Yeah. So I feel like it’s tilted a little bit from (12:53) just not going with the corporation to going anti-corporation almost though, (12:57) who it’s almost just a little more of a stance against it, which is totally cool. I mean, (13:02) everyone’s allowed to feel the way they feel, but that’s the mentality of the people I would guess.(13:06) I would agree with you. Yes. The points about the study that I have noted is that (13:15) there was a white house commission done in the early two thousands.And they, this is a quote (13:23) from that insurance and managed care executives interviewed by the white house commission (13:29) indicated that cam, which is a complimentary and thank you. Complimentary and alternative medicine (13:37) therapies are not covered because there is a lack of evidence supporting their medical (13:42) effectiveness. The current climate of quote, runaway care, rising healthcare costs, (13:49) and the constant stream of new technologies and drugs has left the decision-makers (13:55) in the insurance equation, cautious about expanding any healthcare benefits.(14:03) They are concerned that the limited dollars be spent on care that has been shown to be safe (14:09) and effective. That’s a long quote. I probably should have broke that up.So I apologize. (14:16) Bro, this, this was not our first rodeo. You should, you should have done better.(14:21) This is our 53rd rodeo. I’m so sorry. I almost muted myself.I’m sorry. No, it makes, but (14:28) basically could you summarize that or just kind of put that on it? Yeah, I guess my, the, yeah. (14:32) So the way I see it is that the white house commission that, that talked to pharmaceutical (14:38) companies and insurance companies said they’re not willing to look at homeopathic or natural (14:43) medicine because of the fact that they’re the rising costs and it’s too much work for them.(14:52) And they’re going to rely upon the fact of medicine that’s already been FDA approved. (14:58) Does that, do you, did I miss anything? I would like to add to that or just expound if I may, (15:04) um, what I took from it is in the homeopathic world, you obviously we’ve both dipped our toes (15:12) in it, uh, with our spiritual things that have happened. Yeah.So we’ve looked at, you know, (15:17) we know you have a good friend that makes crystal jewelry, for example. And you have people who (15:22) work with herbs and, and things like that. And I’ve, I come, you know, I kind of recently delved (15:27) into that.There are shysters out there. Oh, of course. And I think what they’re saying is it’s (15:33) hard to say that this, you know, say like a kyanite crystal heals, right.Or helps in the (15:38) healing process. It could be totally psychosomatic. So it does work for that person, but it may not (15:42) work for someone who is just given the crystal for example, and they don’t believe in the power of (15:47) the healing.Right. Right. So that’s when they talk about the efficacy, efficacy.Yes. And it’s (15:53) really hard to prove with all the shysters that are out there. And it’s almost like a set, like (15:58) we talk about this being a system, you know, the insurance company being a system.Yeah. The (16:02) homeopathic people, there’s like a system, you know, of the shysters, the shysterism like that. (16:07) Yeah.They’re people trying to trick people. Correct. Right.I saw your grandfather come (16:12) through and he told me to tell you that you should buck up. You’re having troubles. Oh my (16:16) gosh, I am having troubles, you know, that kind of, that kind of thing.Yeah. So I think that’s (16:21) where it does become a very big gray area. Right.But for example in psychology, some psychiatrists (16:30) and or psychologists are covered. Did you see the thing about the 20,000 people and employees (16:36) in your notes? No, I don’t recall that. So something that, that I took away from it was, (16:42) um, some, some of these treatments are covered, but it’s usually large employers with more than (16:48) 20,000 employees.Okay. More likely to offer access versus smaller employers. Yeah.Cause (16:54) it’s cause of costs. Right. Absolutely.Yeah. It’s all about money. It’s easier to spread it (16:58) out over 20,000 employees or plus versus whatever.I don’t work in a company that has that many. (17:04) Yeah. A hundred or a couple of hundred at most.Yeah. So it’s a different thing, (17:08) but some psychology and psychiatry is covered, but NLP is not, which is neuro-linguistic (17:13) programming. Yeah.And we’ve talked about that. Talked about Dr. Smartypants. Yeah.And, um, (17:18) I went to see him. You saw him. He, I’m not going to lie.He saved my life. It’s not, (17:23) that is not a joke. Like he, yes, I sought the help and I, I wanted the help.Right. Ultimately. (17:29) But he found the language that worked for me or whatever.He, he just, he figured out how (17:37) to communicate with you. Right. He figured out how to help me.Right. Where no psychiatrist, (17:43) neuropsychologist would stand a snowball’s chance in hell of getting even close to me. (17:47) Cause to your point, what are you, when you walk in? The smartest person in the room.(17:51) Boom. And it’s unfortunate in a lot of cases. Um, but that’s one example where it’s hard.Now (17:57) NLP, they can’t really, there, there’s either not enough science behind it or that studied it. (18:04) It’s effectiveness. Yeah.Where psychology seems to have a little bit more of a mainstream, right. (18:08) But it’s also been ingrained, which is another part of the system. Yes.So anyway, um, please (18:14) continue, uh, with your point about the quote and what that meant, what that means to you. (18:19) That’s it. That’s all I got on the court.Okay. What, what do you have next? (18:22) Uh, the next part is a, another quote that’s not as long, but just as poopy, a 2006 survey (18:31) stated that insurance payers have resisted covering alternative medicine providers in (18:37) part because of a fear that coverage would result in large, steadily increasing and (18:42) unpredictable expenditures, not unlike the history of prescription drugs. The study performed (18:49) six years after the mandated inclusion of those of alternative medicine benefits in Washington (18:56) state suggest that’s not going to be the case.Washington state changed the way they did things. (19:04) And they were kind of like a test environment and they allowed, um, alternative medicine to (19:10) be covered under existing insurance, mainstream existing insurance companies. So they were a test (19:16) to basically, and it showed that multiple studies showed that costs actually went down.(19:25) That’s the point of the study. So insurance providers were said, no, we’re not going to (19:29) cover that. But several studies showed that the cost went down when they did cover it.(19:34) That’s pretty interesting. And part of that, uh, did you get into why you felt that or why (19:40) they felt that went down? Cause we have thoughts about it, right? Well, yeah, it did. It talked a (19:45) lot about how, um, there was multiple studies, you know, placebo versus non placebo tests, (19:53) as well as multiple tests or, you know, study groups where people change their nutrition and (19:59) they change their behavioral patterns with, um, people with, uh, heart disease and other (20:06) issues like that.And they saw the death rates go down and they saw the blood pressure rates go down (20:12) and the heart disease rates go down because people change their lifestyles. Hey, we’re going to try (20:17) a more healthy lifestyle versus giving you drugs. And they monitored those people and obviously they (20:23) improved.So obviously the cut, the longterm costs on the healthcare systems went down (20:27) because these people were healthier naturally without a synthetic drug given to them. (20:33) Right. Cause they were addressing the root of the problems, right? Which is healthy living, (20:39) not putting the bandaid on the broken arm.Like this is the whole thing. Pharmaceutical companies (20:44) seem to, cause we’re, this, this is just part one of this thing that we’re talking about. We’ve kind (20:49) of got two parts to this whole thing, right? Cause we’re going to talk about the opioid stuff next.(20:53) Um, but this is just part of the problem where they’re masking the effects. They’re masking (21:00) the, um, the symptoms. They’re not fixing the problem, (21:04) which it treat.There’s no money in cures. There’s only money in treatments. (21:08) Yeah.Then that’s one of my notes to come back. You stole my thunder. Thank you.(21:14) Sorry, bro. Okay. I don’t think you are.I am. I don’t think you are. I’m just, (21:18) I’m happy that we’re on the same page is what I’m happy about.Okay. So from there, um, (21:25) they, they were able to prove this, right? Because like we talk about some, some programs (21:31) are getting put in place by governments. And like, we talked about it costing X and then next thing, (21:35) you know, it’s 10 times that amount.I’m hoping that these numbers are correct. And obviously, (21:40) like we said, we’ll post, well, we’re, we’re referencing a website, right? So we, and it (21:46) didn’t have an exact number of how much it went down. Right.It wasn’t like a percentage just said (21:49) it went down. Right. Correct.Okay, cool. What else we got on this, my friend? That’s all I have (21:54) on the natural medicine because it, it went down another rabbit hole. Do you, do you have (22:01) anything else on the natural stuff? Yeah.I thought we were going to talk about just the (22:04) like go through this whole article, right? Uh, I get, that’s all I, that’s all my notes on that, (22:10) but yeah, you can feel free to go down the article. People don’t, you know, um, (22:15) politically speaking. Well, one of the things that really stuck out to me was, (22:18) was about chemotherapy being 2% effective.Did you read that article? (22:23) Yes, I did. Yeah, I did. I did go down to that point.I think they said it was, (22:27) it was 4% effective and then no, it went, it was 2% effective. Then it went up to four (22:33) and then they said, or, or the reverse of that, something like that. But so if you, (22:38) the way you spin it, if it’s, did it increase by 2% or did it increase by 50%? How do you, (22:45) did it double or did, so how do you, depending on how the doctor spun it, (22:51) that’s how the patient received that information and that’s how they decided to go with (22:55) chemotherapy or not, right? They’re saying the patient’s risk dropped from four to 2%.So it (23:00) went down 2%. Oh, the patient’s risk. Okay.Yeah. So it’s, it’s only a, it’s a 2% drop. It’s not (23:06) really a double, but from four to two is 100% actually, isn’t it? It’s double.It’s 100% drop. (23:13) I’m sorry. It’s a 50% drop from four.It’s a hundred percent. Yes. I’m yeah.I’m doing the (23:18) double half thing. What? What’s a double half? You know, you remember, is that like cross (23:24) canceling the, when you cross cancel the fractions and I got in trouble from the nuns? (23:29) Yes. You can’t.It always worked though. Yeah, I know. That’s how you do it, man.(23:34) No. Well, the thing is like, it’s, I get when you talk about homeopathic things not being covered, (23:40) I do see the shyster element and it costs it having certain cost increases at scale, (23:47) maybe Washington could handle it in the smaller numbers that they had to deal with or whatever, (23:53) or maybe their taxes covered, whatever the increase that people wanting to pay (23:57) to have the coverage or whatever. Yeah.Okay. It’s just hard to say, but it, it is a little bit, (24:04) once again, it’s another system we talk about that, you know, cause we’re going to go into the, (24:10) into the system next, right? I mean, this is where we’re going to get pretty harsh and honest about (24:15) it. Um, but systems in place to keep control, keep money.Cause once again, they want to give (24:21) you the boner pill. They don’t want to give you the diet that increases your blood flow to your (24:27) penis, right? Like what, what’s this whole thing about what’s everyone talking about the COVID (24:33) thing, right? Everyone’s waiting with bated breath for the vaccine. No, one’s talking simple vitamin (24:40) D supplement, vitamin C and zinc, and just take those three right now.And you have, there’s, (24:45) it’s at least anecdotally, if not shown to have some effect, some positive effect, (24:51) but it’s vitamin D C and zinc. It’s nothing. It doesn’t cost, you know, why isn’t the government (24:57) sending packets out for that to each household? Like that? Cause there’s no money in vitamin.(25:02) Well, that’s not true. There is money in vitamins, but they’re not as big a lobby as the (25:07) pharmaceutical company. They’re not making the gazillions that Pfizer and GSK and everybody.(25:14) And I’m not calling a single one out in a specific case. We will, because I’ve got one (25:19) that I pulled up and I think you’re going to reference one in the next thing we talk about. (25:22) And that’s, that’s it kind of one, one of these things, just be really vigilant about this kind (25:27) of stuff.And if, if you can ask your employer to cover some things, ask them never hurts to ask. (25:34) Yeah, absolutely. But I think it’s a, it’s an overhaul of the, of the healthcare industry (25:43) that I think they’re unwilling to do both on a governmental level and because there’s insurance (25:52) and pharmaceutical companies in that are lobbyists.So the insurance, the pharmaceutical companies (26:00) and the medical industry, as well as the federal government are not willing to revamp the system (26:05) because it’s too hard. Yeah. It’s a massive undertaking, but you know, there’s a lot of (26:11) people that are not happy with their doctors.The average amount of time that someone sees (26:14) their doctor is 11 minutes. Yeah. That was in the article too.That was crazy. Fucking horrible. (26:19) That’s a fucking shuffle you in, shuffle you out.Correct. How can you possibly get to understand (26:24) someone’s lifestyle or what they do when they’re not at the doctor? Doctor asks you, do you smoke? (26:29) No. How do you fucking know? They’ll just say it.So they don’t get fucking reprimanded or (26:34) something. Right. Do you eat healthy? Yes.You know, like you don’t get to know the patient. (26:39) You don’t get to know them just asking the bullet point questions because even we have this ability (26:43) to lie because we don’t want to sound like we don’t want to get reprimanded for our choices. (26:47) Of course.Yeah. Right. Yeah.There’s like a weird shame there, you know, like, yeah, (26:50) I go to McDonald’s pretty much every day to get the large fries for a dollar. (26:53) Yeah. And it makes me really upset again that they don’t have supersize anymore, bro.(26:59) I know. But thank you to that phenomenal documentary, (27:03) supersize, which is a pretty cool. That guy’s pretty neat.But anyway, anything else like the (27:10) one big one for this, it’s my opinion. I understand, like the homeopathic stuff, (27:15) like the crystals and the salves and the bombs, but mental health, some counseling, (27:22) psychology, psychiatry, NLP, some mental that should be covered. (27:27) I agree so much, dude, because I feel like the mental state of everyone is shit right now and (27:36) it does affect you physically.There is no doubt that your mood, your pain, like if you have pain (27:42) in your body, it affects your mood the other way around. Your good mood can affect how you (27:47) feel physically. Yeah.Think about if the the average American worker, if they are (27:57) if they are, if their emotional well-being and their mental health increases by 25 percent, (28:03) 20 percent, think about how more pain, even whatever it takes, 17.6, they how much more (28:10) effective they’re going to be at their jobs, whether they’re working from home or they’re (28:13) going to an office or when this thing ends, we all go back to work, whatever it takes. (28:17) Think about your if you’re happier with yourself, the trickle down effect is huge. (28:25) So to me, yes, it’s expensive to cover to see a therapist or a shrink.(28:31) But it’s to me, it’s it’s you’re going to see the rewards in that. I don’t know how to quantify (28:39) that. And that’s where businesses are like, I have to see hard facts.You have to show me an ROI. (28:44) And that’s where there’s I believe there’s the gap. Yeah, it is.And but I mean, I I would (28:50) like to think right now as a society, mental health, we’ve recognized that mental health is a. (28:57) Probably the largest unaddressed problem. Perhaps, but I mean, obviously, it’s coming. (29:06) It’s the last few years, it’s been.In the mainstream consciousness of everybody, right? (29:14) Yeah, I mean, I just feel like it’s I’m just saying it’s one of those things where (29:18) I just feel like something to that effect should be covered, even if it’s a basic (29:22) counseling service where there’s like a separate, a separate like department that does that. (29:28) Like I mean, like if we’re going to do a governmental, we’re going to cover it or (29:31) something with insurance that a that you create a Bureau of Mental Health and it’s just counselors. (29:37) So it’s you go into it like it’s a so like just like child protective services, (29:42) it’s mental health services or whatever.Yeah, I think you’re saying, you know, (29:45) I’m sure there are some things out there, but nothing to scale that we need. (29:50) I feel like everyone has feelings. Everyone gets hurt.We can we can. Yeah, and we hurt each other (29:57) when we’re hurt. You know what I mean? Like there’s a direct correlation between how we feel and how (30:01) we treat others and and that can you know how many times we said that kind of snowballs? (30:06) Yeah, I know.Of course. Yeah, I totally get that. (30:09) So back to you and we kind of do we beat that horse pretty, pretty well.We’re good. (30:16) Sure. My last point about that is, is there, is there fear in the existing medical industry (30:22) because of this because of people wanting to approach their own mental health differently (30:32) or not their, I’m sorry, their own health, their own.Hey, hey doc, I don’t want to be (30:38) on these pills anymore. Hey, I want to approach my health. I want to own my own health.I don’t (30:45) want to take your word for it. It’s my body. It’s my everything.So what’s, what do you suggest? (30:53) Doesn’t mean I’m going to do it. Do you think that there’s a fear there of the system that’s (30:58) in place now is not as secure as it used to be? I would guess. Yes.Just the pharmaceutical (31:05) losing its hold, right? Because the don, we’re going to get into some shady shit going on with (31:14) pharmaceutical companies and doctors, but a doctor who prescribes a medication shouldn’t get paid for (31:19) prescribing the medication. Shouldn’t get a kickback. Shouldn’t get a trip.Shouldn’t get a (31:23) jacket. Shouldn’t get a fucking visor. Shouldn’t get a baseball cap or a t-shirt or anything.(31:29) I would agree. Like that’s just my opinion. That is compensation.So a doctor should just (31:35) say, this has been shown and I agree with the studies because I read the study. I agree that (31:42) this does what it says it does. And I think this is good for you.That they shouldn’t be scared (31:47) then, right? They shouldn’t be scared if that’s how it is, but it’s my opinion that it’s not like (31:53) that. And we’re going to go into that next. I totally agree with you.It’s very important that (31:58) we make that distinction about whether the doctors are compensated for prescribing medication, (32:04) because then they are the bigger part of the system and a larger, worse part, (32:09) because we trust them. And I’ve got some interesting anecdotes we’ll share a little bit. (32:15) Interesting anecdotes.(32:16) And anik-dotes. (32:18) Anik. (32:18) And Anakin Skywalker-dotes.(32:21) Darth Vader-dotes. (32:23) Barfasaurus Rex. (32:24) Hey, David Prowse.(32:25) Who? (32:25) How about that? (32:26) A moment of silence for the gentleman that played Darth Vader. (32:29) I know we’re recording a month in arrears. (32:30) Arrears.(32:31) But last, yesterday I believe it was? (32:32) Last yesterday. (32:33) Last night or yesterday sometime. (32:35) RIP.(32:36) The 28th, November 20th, 2020. David Prowse. Well, he was on our list.He was the body of (32:42) Darth Vader and he was the guy who carried Malcolm McDowell in Clockwork Orange, remember? (32:47) Yes. Yes. (32:49) So there was a lot of connections.(32:49) I was wondering what list you were referring to. (32:51) Yeah, two lists. Both.Both of them. (32:54) Both lists. (32:55) So back to reality.(32:57) Back to life. Back to reality. And stuff.And other stuff, too. (33:06) Section two of today’s podcast. This subject evolved into a subject that’s been (33:16) bothering me for many, many, many, many years because it affects me directly.(33:24) So I’ve had it on my list of topics to discuss and because of the, (33:31) why aren’t homeopathic methods covered under insurance, (33:34) it kind of snowballed into another topic that I had on my list to discuss. (33:38) And that’s Oxy and other narcotics. And the history of that and opioids (33:49) because it’s affected my family directly.And it’s a, it freaking sucks. (33:58) You got anything before I move on? (34:01) Just general pain management. (34:03) Oh, yeah.(34:04) Because I’m going to bring up the stuff that I got involved with. And (34:06) I’ve got stories about that and going to some meetings and whatnot. (34:11) Okay.(34:11) It’s just interesting. But please continue because I know this one touches you. (34:14) Sure.Oxy was introduced in 1996 by Purdue Pharmaceuticals. (34:21) And it’s a synthetic. (34:22) Yeah.It’s a fake drug made in a lab, a prescription drug. (34:27) It’s not from the poppy. To be clear, it’s not a, it’s not poppy seed derived into medication.(34:34) It is a completely bit from the ground up, chemically made product. (34:40) Correct. It’s made in a freaking lab.(34:42) But it’s very, well, that’s what’s very clear about this because that’s (34:46) one of the big issues in my opinion. (34:49) Okay. (34:49) But please.(34:52) According to the New York Times, I read a lengthy article about it, which was (34:56) very in 2018, this article was written. It was very interesting. (35:01) And I’ll quote that a couple of times here.(35:04) The Food and Drug Administration approved Oxycontin in 1995. (35:08) The agency permitted Purdue Pharma to make a unique claim for it. (35:14) That it’s long acting formulation was quote, believed to reduce its appeal to drug abusers.(35:22) Compared with shorter acting painkillers like Percocet and Vicodin. (35:31) You got anything on that? (35:33) No, keep going. (35:34) The FDA’s decision was not based on findings from clinical trials.(35:40) But a theory that drug abusers favored shorter acting painkillers (35:45) because the narcotic they contained was released faster. (35:49) So it produced a quicker hit. (35:52) So the FDA allowed them to say what they said based on a theory and no fucking evidence.(36:02) Go team government. (36:04) Uh, gee, I wonder how they pushed that through. (36:07) Do you think they might’ve gotten something to say that? (36:10) Isn’t that called a lobbyist? (36:12) That seems fucking ridiculous.(36:14) It’s the FDA is supposed to fuck. (36:16) It’s funny. (36:16) We’re talking about this pandemic and they’re still, they’re still not a vaccine out that (36:21) they they’re claiming 90 plus percent, but it hasn’t been cleared.(36:25) Right. (36:25) By the FDA or whatever. (36:27) What’s been tested on 44,000 people.(36:28) Right. (36:29) But it’s not been cleared by the FDA. (36:30) Correct.(36:30) It’s not. (36:31) This got pushed through yet. (36:33) This got pushed through and it seems like, oh, what a great.(36:36) I mean, right. (36:38) Oxy got pushed. (36:38) Well, yeah, but 1996 and today are very different times, right? (36:42) They are different times, but, but not in that case.(36:45) One is how do you get an idea through is you kind of grease the wheels, right? (36:49) Of course. (36:50) Or grease the palms or whatever the fuck what’s that term? (36:53) Both. (36:54) Okay.(36:54) Both of them. (36:55) Back to you, Chuck. (36:57) Over to you, Frank.(37:00) Uh, so between 1996, when it was introduced in 2000, the oxy gut went crazy. (37:09) The, the number of prescriptions that were written and the, uh, use and abuse of it (37:16) across the country went crazy. (37:18) Um, it became very, very common on the street.(37:23) Um, a dollar pill, a $1 pill at a pharmacy was worth $40 on the street. (37:29) Uh, there were, were emails going back and forth with the company executives (37:34) about people snorting oxy. (37:37) And I had no idea that was a, that was a thing.(37:41) Like, I didn’t know that existed until a couple of years ago, a friend of mine told me that (37:47) he did that. (37:48) And I didn’t, I went, what? (37:49) He was going through a really, really hard time. (37:53) Break up with a girl.(37:54) They got back together. (37:55) There was kids, this and that. (37:57) And I went, oh, fuck.(37:58) I didn’t know. (37:59) I didn’t know that shit. (38:01) Like I took one because I hit my hand and I liked the feeling.(38:05) I didn’t know you could snort it. (38:06) Right. (38:07) I was shocked.(38:08) So this, you know. (38:09) Until I saw that thing about crushing and snorting, and I was like, well, I thought (38:12) you only snorted Coke. (38:13) And if you snorted a heroin, you almost died.(38:16) Like in Pulp Fiction. (38:16) That’s the only two things that I had any reference to drugs. (38:19) Or in The Dirt with Motley Crue.(38:21) Sure. (38:22) Yes. (38:22) Also, Tambien.(38:23) Tambien, Tambourines, Hey Mr. Man. (38:27) Correct. (38:29) Tertiarily, there was Oxy, there was three kinds.(38:33) Oxycontin, Oxycodone, and M.S. (38:36) Contin. (38:37) M.S. (38:38) Contin, also made by Purdue Pharmaceuticals. (38:41) The people on the street discovered how to extract morphine from it so they could inject (38:49) it.(38:50) Now, this information about them injecting it on the street, the cost of the increase (38:58) from $1 to $40 on the street, and people snorting it, was all in company emails to the highest (39:06) level executives within Purdue Pharmaceuticals. (39:09) And they knew. (39:10) They knew how addictive it was.(39:11) And weren’t they even saying, let’s keep pushing it? (39:14) I don’t know if they knew how addictive it was. (39:17) They definitely were pushing the hell out of it. (39:20) And there were many mentions in the article about the sales tactics that were used.(39:28) Information that was pushed down to the salespeople on how to push the product, to say (39:33) how it was better than Vicodin and Percocet, as we previously mentioned, and how to get (39:37) this drug to be pushed by doctors and prescribed. (39:41) Yes. (39:42) That’s just craziness.(39:46) What else do you have on that part of it? (39:49) Just how freaking ridiculously effective their pushing of it is. (39:54) Do you ever see the video? (39:55) There’s an it was an older African-American woman. (39:58) And they show her in the commercial for the opioid, like for the OxyContin.(40:04) She’s like, this has made my life so much better, blah, blah, blah. (40:07) And then they re-interview her like 10 years later. (40:12) And she’s just a shell of herself because she just hopped up on Oxy.(40:17) And she’s like, it destroyed my life. (40:20) And I’ll have to show that. (40:22) I’ll have to share that with you.(40:23) I’ll see if I can find that video. (40:24) But it’s pretty interesting. (40:26) I think it might have been that weird that Netflix drug.(40:28) There was a drug. (40:29) There’s a couple of drug documentaries on Netflix. (40:31) Yeah.(40:32) But I think it was like a YouTube thing where they showed, you know, she was like one of (40:35) the first like poster children for it. (40:37) You know how they like, Zimbaltics can blah, blah, blah. (40:40) It’s the person smiling, waving to their grandchildren.(40:42) You know, it was that woman that’s like, whose life was being saved by these opioids. (40:45) And Oxy was making her, allowing her to live her life. (40:49) And then she comes completely back around.(40:51) She’s like, it destroyed my life. (40:52) So it’s a before and after. (40:54) Yeah, it’s like 10 years later, after the effects of how it took a hold of her addiction (40:59) to it and all that other stuff.(41:01) Okay. (41:01) It’s heartbreaking. (41:03) Absolutely heartbreaking.(41:04) Wow. (41:05) No, I would, I, I don’t, I want to watch it, but I don’t want to watch it. (41:09) So I probably should.(41:11) I don’t know. (41:14) Well, what’s your personal connection to this specifically? (41:17) Have you, do you want to share that even deeper? (41:20) I mean, you don’t have to, I mean, it’s, it’s up to you, man. (41:24) My mom, my mom has been on Oxy for 17 years.(41:30) And I, my dad and I, my dad passed away four years, almost four years ago. (41:33) And my dad and I have had several conversations in the past, you know, from when she started (41:42) taking it until when he passed away that my mom’s a drug addict, that she’s addicted to (41:47) narcotics. (41:49) And about a year ago, my mom finally admitted that she’s a drug addict and she takes three (41:56) Oxy’s a day.(41:57) And what I found out in the past six months is that the dosage she takes three times a (42:11) day is double what I was given when I fell because I had an aneurysm and I cracked my (42:20) skull and I was fucking flabbergasted. (42:27) I found this out when my mom, my mom is now 78. (42:30) She’s, she was 77 years old when I saw the bottle and I went, oh my God, this is fucking (42:37) double what I was given by my neurologist.(42:42) For a fucking mental head breaking aneurysm seizure. (42:49) There was a mass in my brain. (42:51) Right? (42:51) Yeah.(42:51) And they gave me the low. (42:53) Yeah. (42:54) And my mom has double.(42:56) And does that three times, three times a day, every single day. (42:59) And I do understand that the human body becomes, I don’t know what the, what the adjusted. (43:06) Sure.(43:06) Well, I mean, it’s like a tolerance. (43:08) Thank you. (43:08) So my mom’s like, oh, Hey, I’m taking a pill and doesn’t do anything for me anymore.(43:11) Right? (43:11) So they gave her, oh, Hey, take two a day. (43:13) And then over years she takes three a day. (43:15) And then I went in July, 2020 this year when I moved her out to, I spent, we got a two (43:21) bedroom hotel room and then we drove to Arizona from California.(43:26) We were, oh, I set the alarm so we can get up and move and shit. (43:30) We were awake for less than 90 seconds. (43:34) And my mom goes, can you give me my pills? (43:36) I was like, oh my God, are you fucking serious? (43:41) Are you fucking serious? (43:43) It seems frustrating, but that’s what addiction is.(43:45) And she probably didn’t even know it or doesn’t even think about it. (43:48) You know what I mean? (43:48) Like it’s just her day, you know? (43:53) The final point on that is that my dad told me several times in the last 10 years of his (44:02) life that he went to my mother’s pain management doctor because my mom had like 19 doctors (44:10) because she’s on 11 different prescription meds. (44:13) She’s been on at least one prescription med since 1979.(44:17) So for 41 plus years, she’s been on at least one medication. (44:22) She’s now on 11. (44:23) Now that’s not an exaggeration.(44:25) She’s on 11 different prescription meds. (44:27) And that’s, I have a huge, massive fucking problem with that. (44:30) So my dad told me he went to see my mother’s pain management doctor alone to talk to the (44:37) pain management doctor about getting my mom off of narcotics, no matter what they are.(44:44) And my dad said, and my dad and I were having a drink after dinner and my mom went to bed, (44:49) and he said it was completely worthless. (44:55) He was concerned. (44:57) You know, he was very concerned about his wife being a drug addict.(45:00) Yeah. (45:00) So he tried to make… (45:05) It was mad upon deaf ears, basically, right? (45:08) For the most part, he said it was a helpless, like it was worthless for him to even do that (45:14) because it changed nothing. (45:16) Correct.(45:17) Can you imagine making an appointment for a doctor that’s not even yours? (45:25) Hi, Dr. Robinson. (45:27) Hi, can I make an appointment at 10, 15 Thursday? (45:29) Okay, thanks. (45:30) See you there.(45:31) It’s not even your doctor. (45:32) You go down there. (45:35) I’m sorry, you’re not my patient.(45:36) How can I help you? (45:37) Hi, I want to talk to you about my loved one. (45:39) I’m so worried about my loved one and their addiction to a narcotic that you’ve prescribed (45:44) over X number of years. (45:50) Who does that? (45:52) I don’t know many people that would do that.(45:54) I mean, my dad was a major prick for a long time, but that’s pretty amazing thing that he did (45:58) or tried to do, right? (46:00) And he was concerned about her until the end, you know? (46:03) Yeah, but like, your dad can be multiple things. (46:06) Of course. (46:07) He was a war hero.(46:08) Yeah, well, sure. (46:10) Yeah, yeah, yeah, he served in two wars. (46:12) He served in two fucking wars.(46:13) He did, yeah, yeah, yeah. (46:14) You know, he was abusive. (46:17) He can, you know, he can be multiple things, you know? (46:21) Yes, sir.(46:22) And that’s what, it’s really weird because we talk about labels, right? (46:26) And we put people in these boxes. (46:27) Yeah, yeah, and that’s not fair, right? (46:29) But no, I’m just saying, once again, this is a Knocked Conscious. (46:32) We talk about things that just help open our eyes to other ideas, right? (46:38) I agree.(46:38) This is one of those things where, you know, he can be both amazing and challenging, you know? (46:45) Agreed. (46:45) In this case, he was a loving, loyal husband to your mom. (46:52) Yeah.(46:53) And wanted the best, what he felt he could help her get the best for her. (46:59) And he felt that wasn’t happening. (47:02) And now it’s pretty cool that he took that stand.(47:04) I mean, that’s, you know, it’s both the greatness and challenge of him. (47:08) Yeah, he did the right thing, right? (47:11) Yeah, but what made that great was also tough on you because of how he was harsh, right? (47:15) Well, yeah, but that’s not the point about this is that it has nothing to do with me. (47:19) It has everything to do with the fact that he really tried.(47:24) He really, really tried to help my mom and he tried to do the right thing. (47:29) But, you know, that shit is incredibly, incredibly addicting. (47:36) Yeah, I hear you.(47:39) What else do you have about Purdue and all that? (47:41) Um, eventually, in 2007, the federal government took Purdue Pharmaceuticals to court. (47:54) And the company and the executives, the top three executives paid a combined (48:01) $634 million in fines. (48:04) And the top three guys were required to perform community service.(48:10) All right. (48:11) My question to you, Jack Carpenter. (48:14) The top three guys were companies or people? (48:15) In Purdue.(48:16) In Purdue. (48:16) My question for you, Checkmark. (48:17) Yes, sir.(48:18) $634 million. (48:20) Where did that money go? (48:24) I don’t know where criminal things are earmarked. (48:27) This is a government suing them, correct? (48:29) Yeah, so.(48:30) I’m sure there are. (48:33) Once monies go into some kind of justice fund, I’m sure they vote on that. (48:38) But I don’t know that much about the legislative branch.(48:42) But I think that’s a great question. (48:45) Shouldn’t that? (48:46) Well, I’m sure it’s available for public record. (48:48) I’m just saying we don’t, you and I are not, we’re the lay person.(48:51) We’re so distracted with our life. (48:53) Right. (48:53) You know, people don’t even want to talk about the stuff we want to talk about sometimes.(48:56) Right. (48:56) They’re distracted about. (48:57) Right.(48:58) Think about that. (48:59) Yeah, no, no, you’re right. (49:00) But I was thinking like, okay, so that that lawsuit was started in 07.(49:05) I don’t know when they finished it. (49:06) It could have been 07 or 2010. (49:07) So it’s been 10 to 13 years, right? (49:09) A long time.(49:11) Yeah. (49:11) Like they don’t pay. (49:12) How many times do you think they’re appealing? (49:13) 17.(49:14) Right. (49:14) They’re going to keep appealing this because it costs them less and they’re going to die (49:17) before they have to pay that 634. (49:19) It’s going to cost them 50 million in, in lawyer fees.(49:22) Right. (49:22) So they’ll just do that. (49:23) Right.(49:24) Isn’t that what I would, if you had that avenue to do it because the legal system allowed for (49:29) that loophole. (49:30) Yes. (49:30) Wouldn’t you take advantage of that every course? (49:32) Of course I would.(49:33) Like if it’s available to be done and, and a workaround, I’m going to do it. (49:38) We take the path of least resistance. (49:40) Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.(49:41) But I was thinking that, that, um, how do I word it? (49:47) Uh, the government sued them, right? (49:51) So, or press charges, criminal charges for their activity regarding Oxy and the fact (49:58) that they knew it was a problem and they knew that it was being sold on the streets. (50:01) And there was pharmacies in several States that wouldn’t stock it because they were (50:05) scared they were going to get robbed, et cetera. (50:07) And they knew about all this crap, right? (50:08) Right.(50:08) So those, those lawyers working for the government are being paid by taxpayers. (50:20) So it’s not like they’re working pro bono, right there. (50:24) That it’s not like, Oh, Hey, we got $634 million.(50:27) We can know we can get a yacht now. (50:29) Like, that’s not their money. (50:30) That’s the government’s money.(50:31) Right. (50:32) So why isn’t that money? (50:34) It’s the people’s money. (50:35) Yeah, exactly.(50:36) Ultimately, if it goes to the government, it goes to the people. (50:39) No, it doesn’t. (50:39) Well, that’s the philosophy.(50:42) That’s how it’s written. (50:43) It should. (50:44) That’s how it’s written.(50:45) Does it? (50:46) All of it. (50:47) No, we can’t. (50:47) Right.(50:48) So why doesn’t that money go towards drug programs or getting people off the street (50:53) or, you know, Hey, I see that you’re buying meth. (50:58) Let me help you. (50:59) Let’s get you some dinner.(51:00) Let’s what, you know, Hey, let’s get whatever it’s going to take to get that person back (51:05) into society. (51:06) But once again, with I’m going to, I’m going to guess or venture a guess that with appeals, (51:12) they don’t have $634 million. (51:14) It is not settled until the final appeal, the ink dries on the final appeal and the (51:19) final verdict is made.(51:20) So it could be 634. (51:22) Now they appeal at 400 million. (51:24) They still don’t have it because they’re going to appeal it again.(51:26) Yeah. (51:27) Do you know what I’m saying? (51:28) I do. (51:28) Like, but yes, once that money’s retrieved, if it ever does get retrieved.(51:33) Yeah. (51:34) How, right? (51:36) And how do they, you know, how do they get, you know, where does it go to your point? (51:40) Yeah, exactly. (51:41) Yeah.(51:41) And I’m, there has to be a transparent way for voting on, on money for the justice department. (51:50) Maybe it goes towards fighting crime or some other things, right? (51:53) Like what’s your mark? (51:54) Cause it is technically the justice department that is suing. (51:58) It’s really not the government.(51:59) I mean, it’s a branch of, so to the victor go the spoils, right? (52:03) So maybe the justice department gets all of that money to allocate for all of their (52:07) programs. (52:08) I don’t know. (52:09) Maybe it, or it, or it gets subsidized.(52:11) I understand. (52:11) And there’s great question. (52:14) We’d have to really dig deep to, and if anyone else knows, if anyone knows about constitution (52:18) and legislative rules for things like that, for justice money, please let us know.(52:24) I have to ask, I have to ask you a question. (52:26) Does OJ know where that money is? (52:29) Hello to the world. (52:30) I don’t know.(52:31) I do not remember. (52:32) I went black. (52:33) I blacked out.(52:35) That’s what I meant. (52:36) I blacked out. (52:37) I came to, I saw red.(52:40) Whoa. (52:41) Whoa. (52:41) I saw red.(52:42) Exactly. (52:43) I was going to do it. (52:43) You opened up the door.(52:45) You have to say hi, Felicia. (52:47) Hi, Felicia. (52:50) She said on Thanksgiving that, uh, she goes, whenever, whenever it’s my camera now.(52:56) So sorry, bro. (52:57) Whenever on Thanksgiving, whenever you go, hi, Felicia goes, hi. (53:01) Hi.(53:02) Oh, she waves. (53:03) She waves. (53:05) That’s funny.(53:06) Oh, that’s great. (53:07) Uh, anything else on 634 million? (53:09) No, I’ve got one after this though. (53:11) So that’s why I wanted you to, cause this one I know was one you could really share (53:14) cause you read this one deeply.(53:15) I have another one I want to bring to the table that I, that just discussed. (53:18) The last thing I have on that article is that, uh, more than a hundred thousand (53:25) Americans die each year from complications caused by prescription drugs being used (53:32) as intended. (53:33) Right.(53:34) As prescribed. (53:35) Correct. (53:36) A hundred thousand deaths and 2 million get admitted.(53:38) They said, right? (53:39) Was 2 million are hospitalized with complications. (53:44) So think about that. (53:45) A hundred thousand deaths as prescribed, like take it exactly as intended.(53:51) And, and they die a thousand people die from, from the medications. (53:56) What the New York times said was quote, but the American public has come to accept such (54:03) occurrences and that’s fucked up, but it’s true. (54:08) Yeah.(54:08) But I never heard that a hundred thousand people. (54:10) It reminds me of the NFL with concussions. (54:15) Yeah.(54:15) It’s not like they admitted this shit was happening down. (54:18) They said, Hey everybody, just so you know, people are getting hurt in the head. (54:23) Why would you admit something you don’t have to? (54:25) Like, hi, our prescription drugs.(54:27) If you take them as intended a hundred thousand people, but then you listen to those fucking (54:31) commercials with the side effects and are like, there was a stroke medication whose side (54:37) effect may cause stroke. (54:40) Or, Oh, this, this mental health pill will, you can have suicidal ideations because it’s (54:45) supposed to make you feel better. (54:47) What, how does make you feel better and ending your fucking life? (54:51) How are those two things? (54:52) Those are two extremes.(54:53) Those seem like the opposite. (54:54) They don’t seem like the same. (54:56) No, those are the opposite.(54:57) I hope they are like, well, sometimes people do would love to go. (55:02) I mean, sometimes people feel that they’re ready. (55:05) It’s really sad.(55:06) I think it’s, it’s outside of the numbers of people who actually do it. (55:10) We have to, we have to do one of those episodes. (55:13) Um, but okay.(55:16) We’re is how’s Purdue. (55:17) We good. (55:18) We’re what else you have there? (55:20) That’s all.(55:21) I mean, I have one another point I’m going to save. (55:23) Oh, you want to save it? (55:25) Uh, yeah. (55:26) Okay.(55:26) Sure. (55:27) Or I can just tell you now it’s up to you. (55:28) Cause I was going to ask you, well, let’s do this.(55:31) I’ll, I’ll ask you about my next question because there’s a little bit. (55:34) I have that. (55:34) And then please share that.(55:35) And then I’ve got one, one other story to share. (55:40) Um, now the thing I was talking about synthetic. (55:43) Yes, sir.(55:44) This is what’s really concerns me is the synthetic part is really the scary part, (55:49) even more than the opioid, because a natural poppy product. (55:55) Yes. (55:56) Addictive, but it’s natural.(55:59) Correct. (55:59) Your body naturally doesn’t reject it. (56:03) It, it actually accepts it in some portion of its body.(56:06) Cause we all come kind of, you know, we are omnivores and we have some (56:11) aversions to certain plants. (56:14) Yeah. (56:15) Some things like have chemical things like cannabis and things like that.(56:18) How there’s a chemical reaction that it’s not like alcohol that kills brain cells. (56:23) It gives you the high, it actually is a chemical lock and key system where the, (56:27) the THC attaches to the brain and gives you that feeling. (56:32) So it’s a much different way of it affecting, but synthetic is what scares me.(56:37) Were you not aware of how dangerous since synthetic versus natural, (56:42) like natural opioid, for example, would be. (56:48) Yes. (56:49) I am aware.(56:50) Yes. (56:52) Um, and I, do you have a point about that? (56:55) Cause I don’t, I do. (56:56) Okay.(56:57) Cause I have a tangent. (56:58) Oh, tangent away. (56:58) Okay.(56:59) So I know, I know, I’m, I know what we’re going to finalize on. (57:01) So okay. (57:02) So I’ve been very concerned for a long time about my mom because she’s on 11 different (57:10) synthetics right now.(57:12) So, and not just my mother, but there’s tens of millions of people around the world on (57:20) synthetic prescription drugs. (57:22) I’m one of them, right? (57:23) Hey, Peralta, your thyroid’s fucked up. (57:25) Take this pill.(57:26) I broke down last year and I finally went to my doctor and said, look, I have not slept (57:32) well in years. (57:33) I can’t fall asleep. (57:34) I can’t stay asleep.(57:35) I’m done. (57:37) Melatonin is not working. (57:39) I need help.(57:41) Here you go. (57:41) Here’s a sleeping pill. (57:43) Boom.(57:43) Like a fricking baby, right? (57:45) But that means there’s, there’s two pills I’m on right now. (57:48) Two synthetics. (57:49) Go ahead, sir.(57:50) Well, just one quick point. (57:52) Yeah. (57:53) Not habit forming.(57:55) True. (57:55) If you take it every day, it then becomes habit forming. (57:58) It’s habit.(57:58) It’s a habit. (57:59) How dare you tell me that it’s all you’re saying is what I don’t shake if I don’t take (58:04) it, but I need it to get to sleep or I feel like I need to take it. (58:07) It’s still an addiction.(58:08) Right, right, right. (58:09) Not habit forming is such a stupid fucking thing because when you take it habitually, (58:15) it’s a habit. (58:16) Yeah.(58:16) Therefore it’s habit forming. (58:19) I, I get your point. (58:20) And thyroid wise.(58:21) Well, yeah, no. (58:22) So that’s just it. (58:23) There’s men, there’s millions of people similar to my mother that are on many prescriptions, (58:27) right? (58:28) So I’ve been concerned for 20 years that or more, like my mom has been on a med for 41 (58:35) years.(58:36) So what, as to your point, synthetic, it’s, it’s every single drug is made in a lab. (58:44) It’s not designed to be ingested by a human. (58:47) Neither is this beautiful soda pop right here.(58:50) This is not real. (58:51) This is all fake. (58:52) It’s got all kinds of neurotoxins and they’re so delicious.(58:54) Reminds me of GMOs. (58:56) That one doesn’t have neurotoxins. (58:57) That one’s got cancer.(58:58) Oh, it’s got all the cancer causing toxins, bro. (59:01) I don’t allow you to have, I don’t allow you to have the one in my house. (59:05) In the tree house, you do not get neurotoxins, sir.(59:10) You get cancer, you get, you get carcinogens. (59:13) Cancer free. (59:13) No carcinogens only.(59:15) Those are my favorite. (59:17) So the point is all these drugs are fake, right? (59:20) So I thought I’d been thinking to myself for 20 years, what is this doing to my mom? (59:26) And then, okay, what is it doing to all these people that are taking all these drugs? (59:28) What is doing to me? (59:29) So I’m taking these stupid pills every fucking night. (59:32) What is 41 years of prescription drug use? (59:37) What does that do to my mother? (59:40) Her kidney, her liver, kidneys, liver, heart, lungs, nervous system, and her brain.(59:49) Quality of life, not just extension. (59:52) Well, her quality of life is definitely not a, that’s never been good, but. (59:56) Right, but she’s a little bit of a hypochondriac, possibly.(1:00:00) She’s a massive hypochondriac. (1:00:02) I didn’t want to, you know. (1:00:04) I don’t give a fuck.(1:00:04) Well, I’m not here to slander your mom. (1:00:06) Well, it’s fine. (1:00:07) She’s a lovely, lovely woman, but she has a drug problem, a prescription drug problem.(1:00:12) And she admitted that, and that sucks. (1:00:13) And I don’t want other people to have to deal with what I’m dealing with. (1:00:17) You know what I mean? (1:00:18) So it sucks, but she’s beautiful, right? (1:00:23) And you know, what is that? (1:00:26) What is 40 years of prescription drug use due to the human body? (1:00:30) That’s my concern is that I don’t think we, as a human race, I don’t think we know.(1:00:36) And I don’t think. (1:00:37) It’s like the GMO question with food, right? (1:00:40) Yeah, we’re not designed to eat that shit. (1:00:42) GMO stuff is actually altered things.(1:00:45) Allegedly didn’t. (1:00:47) I mean, please tell me if I’m wrong. (1:00:49) Please tell me if I’ve been snoped or whatever.(1:00:51) But isn’t there like a chicken that they make, like with like eight legs or four legs or something? (1:00:57) I don’t know. (1:00:58) I don’t know anything about that. (1:01:00) I’ve heard maybe it’s just wivetail shit, so I can totally withdraw the question.(1:01:05) But like they give them antibiotics to make them fatter. (1:01:09) Yeah. (1:01:10) And that’s actually really dangerous because bacteria builds an immunity to antibiotics, (1:01:16) right? (1:01:16) It’s kind of how we got MRSA and how we’ve got these other things going on.(1:01:20) They don’t. (1:01:21) They’re being unnecessarily fed antibiotics to plump them up, not to protect them from disease. (1:01:28) Correct.(1:01:28) But that will give us some kind of blight, potentially. (1:01:32) Yes. (1:01:32) Down the road, because a bacteria will be immune or be.(1:01:35) We won’t be immune. (1:01:36) Right. (1:01:37) No, the bacteria will not be killed by this antibiotic.(1:01:40) Correct. (1:01:41) It will be immune and we will be affected. (1:01:44) Correct.(1:01:44) Yes, sir. (1:01:44) And that can be bad. (1:01:45) And I know that’s a slight tangent to that.(1:01:47) No, that’s totally accurate. (1:01:48) Part of the synthetic GMO talk. (1:01:50) You know, once again, genetically modified organisms, I think it was.(1:01:54) So making corn, super corn and all that kind of stuff. (1:01:57) Right. (1:01:58) Mega core.(1:02:00) So please, tangent, tangent away, complete. (1:02:04) So what does 40 years of drug use due to the human body? (1:02:10) Do we know it? (1:02:12) Are there studies of prolonged usage? (1:02:17) And are there studies that are not public knowledge? (1:02:23) I would sure as fuck. (1:02:24) I mean, bet there are.(1:02:25) Where is my tinfoil hat? (1:02:28) So I agree with you. (1:02:32) There has to be, man. (1:02:34) What is that? (1:02:36) Or we really don’t know.(1:02:37) We don’t have enough time. (1:02:38) There hasn’t been enough time to actually. (1:02:39) But it’s been 40 years, dude.(1:02:41) Yeah, but I mean, like these things hit you very small. (1:02:45) They take little chips out of you. (1:02:46) Almost.(1:02:46) It feels like. (1:02:47) Yeah. (1:02:47) Not a huge.(1:02:48) Well, it’s every single day. (1:02:49) So it’s a minute amount. (1:02:51) And it’s such a slight change.(1:02:53) You look 10 years apart. (1:02:55) Yes, right. (1:02:56) But it might not be day to day.(1:02:57) You don’t see that change because it’s. (1:02:59) Right. (1:02:59) That little, you know, like, you know, like time lapse footage, right? (1:03:03) Correct.(1:03:04) Well, like that lady, like the lady 10 years ago, her life changed drastically. (1:03:07) And I’ve been really concerned for a long time about this of, you know, your talk, (1:03:12) your organs have to process everything that you eat and the lotion you put on your skin (1:03:18) and anything you come in. (1:03:21) Yeah, especially Buffalo Bill.(1:03:23) Anything you come in contact with your organs have to process, you know, including stress. (1:03:30) We’ve been talking about sunscreen, for example. (1:03:31) Well, yeah.(1:03:32) It’s like protects you from UV. (1:03:33) OK, great. (1:03:34) But this stuff that’s in sunscreen.(1:03:36) Is our chemicals. (1:03:37) Is very caustic. (1:03:38) And just and the skin is a great absorber.(1:03:42) Have you ever seen the one where like the guy put his finger in like chlorine water and (1:03:46) it just absorbs right into the skin? (1:03:48) That’s terrifying. (1:03:49) It’s scary as AF. (1:03:51) But doesn’t anyway, that also stops Corona, right? (1:03:56) According to the president, bleach.(1:03:59) Come on, man. (1:04:00) I had to say it’s fake news. (1:04:02) Huge.(1:04:03) Well, I wish I wish people would not take people who don’t take things out of context anyway. (1:04:09) The point is, yeah, prolonged use of any prescription drug can’t be good for you. (1:04:15) Yeah, because it’s fake, right? (1:04:17) I mean, that’s just like eating Cheetos every fucking day.(1:04:19) I love Cheetos. (1:04:20) But fuck, man, have some broccoli. (1:04:22) And I get it.(1:04:23) And then chop it. (1:04:24) Poppy opioid. (1:04:25) Opioid from poppy.(1:04:26) I’m not saying that is good for you. (1:04:28) But it’s better. (1:04:30) It is less terrible caustic.(1:04:33) It is less dangerous because of its natural element. (1:04:38) Yes, it’s and here and this is why I ask this. (1:04:41) So do you are you familiar with THC, cannabis, smoking and marijuana? (1:04:45) You heard stories.(1:04:46) How many people have overdosed smoking marijuana? (1:04:48) Zero zero. (1:04:50) OK, I have an article here and I will post it once again. (1:04:55) Boston dot com.(1:04:56) Shut up, bro. (1:04:57) Boston’s crushing the news. (1:04:59) It’s not even the globe, though.(1:05:00) This is just I don’t think it’s a globe. (1:05:02) Maybe it is. (1:05:05) Forty six people overdose at a New Haven park from synthetic marijuana.(1:05:11) Is that K2? (1:05:13) K2 synthetic marijuana. (1:05:15) That’s that’s spice stuff that has. (1:05:16) Yeah, it’s the fake stuff in it, right? (1:05:18) People are saying 46 people overdosed Wednesday from a suspected bad batch of K2 synthetic (1:05:23) marijuana at or near City Park in Connecticut.(1:05:26) Forty six in one night. (1:05:29) And this is dated. (1:05:31) This was updated August 15th, 2018.(1:05:33) So it might have happened right before that. (1:05:34) This is from the Associated Press. (1:05:36) I’ll put this one up as well.(1:05:38) Forty six. (1:05:39) Not a single person from marijuana from cannabis smoking natural has ever overdosed ever. (1:05:46) Well, I mean, you can overdose from heroin.(1:05:48) Well, I’m just saying marijuana is not one of those drugs that you overdose. (1:05:52) Yeah, but synthetic marijuana killed 46 in one night. (1:05:55) Yeah, because it was just oops.(1:05:58) According to the Gladiator podcast about Aaron Hernandez, he went on a two day binge on K2 (1:06:05) just before he killed himself. (1:06:07) So that also shows you it’s not in jail. (1:06:10) Yes, sir.(1:06:12) I believe that was mentioned in part seven. (1:06:14) It’s not. (1:06:15) It’s a very, very bad thing.(1:06:18) Oh, once again, synthetic something. (1:06:19) It’s something that’s fake. (1:06:20) It’s something that’s bad for you.(1:06:21) And I mean, you hit the nail on the head, man. (1:06:23) I bought chicken at I won’t mention the place and the goddamn chicken breast was like they (1:06:29) were huge. (1:06:30) Like, wait, that’s like a turkey.(1:06:32) That’s not a size of a chicken. (1:06:34) It was ridiculous. (1:06:36) Look at all the Costco ones that they put up there.(1:06:38) They’re four bucks, four or five bucks. (1:06:40) And they’re fucking huge. (1:06:42) Super gigantic chicken in the mass that they do.(1:06:46) Remember, there’s 30 of them at every fucking Costco at all times. (1:06:50) Yeah. (1:06:51) As people are pulling them off the fucking shelf.(1:06:53) That’s constantly being replenished throughout the day. (1:06:57) And like, it’s I don’t know the numbers, but it’s got to be thousands a day. (1:07:01) Well, and you also got to think about, you know, right now where we are, there’s four (1:07:06) or five Costco’s within a half hour.(1:07:08) And that’s all happening. (1:07:10) And there’s 200 major metropolitan areas in the United States alone, right? (1:07:18) That’s crazy. (1:07:21) I totally agree.(1:07:22) So you had one more point before I wanted to close out with this one company. (1:07:26) Is that correct? (1:07:26) I did, sir. (1:07:27) So regardless, what are we ever going to know the long term effects of prescription drugs (1:07:34) like my mom, you know? (1:07:37) And there are 543 Costco stores just in the United States.(1:07:41) Just 543 Costco’s. (1:07:43) So 500 times. (1:07:44) I switch.(1:07:45) I don’t go to Costco anymore. (1:07:46) Half a billion a day. (1:07:47) Half a go billion a day.(1:07:49) Anyway, no. (1:07:50) My last point, sir, is as I mentioned a year and a half ago about, I went to my doctor (1:07:56) and I, the sleeping pill thing, right? (1:08:00) And they go, oh yeah, here’s some trazodone. (1:08:02) Boom.(1:08:04) As they said, take it as needed. (1:08:06) So I was taking it like twice a week. (1:08:08) Can you explain what trazodone is, please? (1:08:10) Trazodone is a sleeping pill.(1:08:11) Oh, thank you. (1:08:12) It’s a fake. (1:08:12) But I don’t know.(1:08:13) I don’t know trazodone. (1:08:16) I don’t like Xanax. (1:08:16) I don’t know like Zoloft or Boost or all the other stuff.(1:08:20) You know what I mean? (1:08:20) Like, okay. (1:08:21) Yeah. (1:08:21) So it’s a sleeping pill.(1:08:22) It’s a sleeping pill. (1:08:23) It’s like an Ambien competitor. (1:08:25) I don’t know because I’ve never, I’ve never, you know, I hear these crazy things about (1:08:29) Ambien like I bought a crystal cow that showed up.(1:08:32) You know what I mean? (1:08:32) Like I hear these crazy things. (1:08:34) I hear these. (1:08:35) But you got a prime two day shipping for free, bro.(1:08:37) You know, what the hell? (1:08:39) Crystal cow. (1:08:39) So I hear these crazy things about Ambien, right? (1:08:42) So I’ve never tried Ambien, whatever. (1:08:44) But yeah, trazodone is a sleeping pill.(1:08:45) Not Tambien. (1:08:46) Not Tambien. (1:08:47) That’s totally different.(1:08:48) That is for dry elbows. (1:08:50) That’s for podcasts only. (1:08:52) Podcasts only with dry elbows and weird earlobes.(1:08:56) Tambien. (1:08:56) Tambien. (1:08:57) It does not, it’s not, it’s not habit forming.(1:08:59) It might be habit forming because you might want to listen to more Tambien. (1:09:02) Try Tambien. (1:09:02) You might want to listen to Tambien, Tambien.(1:09:04) If you experience death, please stop taking Tambien right away and call your doctor. (1:09:08) Yes, please. (1:09:09) If you call your witch doctor.(1:09:10) If you’re dead, please call us immediately for assistance. (1:09:13) That’s why it’s funny. (1:09:15) So, uh, I, I went back to my doctor about four months ago.(1:09:23) And I said, look, I’ve been on this a year. (1:09:25) I don’t want to be on this anymore. (1:09:27) How do I get off of this? (1:09:28) How do I get on? (1:09:29) I, it doesn’t always work.(1:09:32) The tread, the sleeping pill. (1:09:33) It works for the most part, but about once a week, I’ll wake up at two or three o’clock (1:09:37) in the morning and I’ll have a hard time falling asleep. (1:09:39) I’ll be up for about an hour and then I’ll kind of fall back asleep.(1:09:42) So I told her about that. (1:09:45) And so I’m like, okay, can I, how do I get off this drug? (1:09:49) And how do I go to a more natural remedy? (1:09:51) We talked for 25 minutes. (1:09:54) At the very end, she says, well, maybe you should just start taking two.(1:10:02) Yeah. (1:10:02) Yeah. (1:10:02) Look at that.(1:10:03) Look on your face. (1:10:04) Do it again. (1:10:04) Squishy face.(1:10:05) Boom. (1:10:07) What? (1:10:08) Yes. (1:10:10) I went specifically to see her specifically for help to get off of the drug and help to (1:10:18) get off of the drug.(1:10:19) She prescribed me, which was working for the most, I mean, 90, okay. (1:10:24) 88% of the time it was working. (1:10:25) Right.(1:10:26) It’s like sex Panther. (1:10:27) It’s like sex Panther. (1:10:29) It’s sleep Panther.(1:10:31) So I specifically went to get to talk to her to get off the drug. (1:10:37) Hey doctor, how do I get on something more natural? (1:10:41) An herb. (1:10:42) I, I’ve been on melatonin.(1:10:44) So I, I, I don’t want to go back to that because it doesn’t work for me anymore. (1:10:48) What do I do? (1:10:49) Help me. (1:10:50) Help me.(1:10:50) Help you. (1:10:51) Help you. (1:10:51) Help me.(1:10:51) Whatever the fuck. (1:10:53) Okay. (1:10:53) Jerry.(1:10:54) After 20, easy J J M slow it down. (1:10:58) You complete me. (1:10:59) Check mark.(1:11:00) After 20 had me at crazy. (1:11:04) Yeah. (1:11:04) You are after 25 minutes.(1:11:06) She says, take double your current dosage. (1:11:13) Um, I, it sounds to me like that’s exactly 180 degrees opposite of what you were trying (1:11:18) to accomplish. (1:11:19) Correct, sir.(1:11:19) Cause she doubled your dosage. (1:11:21) You want, you want to go from one to zero and you went to two. (1:11:23) I, and I have not.(1:11:24) No, not that you took to her. (1:11:26) She just said that. (1:11:28) Yeah.(1:11:29) What I wanted and what she said were complete opposites. (1:11:32) I’d be like, who in whose back pocket are you lady? (1:11:35) Yes. (1:11:36) And I’d be like, I’ll call you doctor because you went through the medical training, but (1:11:41) in whose back pocket are you fucking sitting right now? (1:11:44) Because this is ridiculous.(1:11:46) I’m asking for fucking help. (1:11:49) Can you please help me? (1:11:51) Yes. (1:11:52) Take double what you want to get off of.(1:11:55) Off of what you want to get, whatever, whichever way. (1:11:57) I don’t even need to use Queens English in this one. (1:11:59) Fuck this.(1:12:00) This is bullshit. (1:12:01) All the prepositions, bro. (1:12:02) My heart breaks for you that, that, that there are people that you had to fucking see that (1:12:06) gave that kind of sage advice or expert advice.(1:12:11) What? (1:12:11) I don’t even know what the fucking term is. (1:12:13) It doesn’t seem expert though. (1:12:14) I’m going to say that right now.(1:12:20) To summarize, I have not taken two. (1:12:25) And I gave her my copay and I don’t, I don’t, I was very disappointed. (1:12:34) But I think the point is of that idiocy was that I think it goes to show that I think (1:12:40) that’s a great example of the medical industry.(1:12:43) Like I go, I go see a medical professional and I want help to become more natural and (1:12:51) to help me. (1:12:52) Like I want to be a better person. (1:12:54) I want to become more natural.(1:12:55) I want to do what’s best for me. (1:12:56) Oh yeah. (1:12:57) Take another drug.(1:12:58) Take another synthetic. (1:12:59) Take something more that’s fake. (1:13:03) What? (1:13:04) I just think that that’s a massive sign about it.(1:13:10) It speaks volumes to what the medical industry in the pharmaceutical industry is doing to (1:13:15) everyone. (1:13:16) And I, and I don’t know what it’s like outside the United States, but I bet in the Western (1:13:21) world, it’s probably the fucking same because there’s money all over, right? (1:13:26) Yes. (1:13:27) It’s bullshit.(1:13:29) Oh, I’m trying to find something out. (1:13:31) Holy shit. (1:13:32) No, it is.(1:13:34) But I will, I just want you to complete your thought on this because I’ve got one last (1:13:40) case I want to talk about. (1:13:41) It has Arizona ties. (1:13:42) It’s very important to this whole discussion about opioids and the crisis.(1:13:47) I’m done, sir. (1:13:49) Okay. (1:13:50) Are you familiar with Insys, the company Insys? (1:13:55) Uh, I, I, I don’t think so.(1:13:59) It sounds familiar. (1:13:59) So they’re an Arizona company. (1:14:01) The owner is a billionaire and they made fentanyl.(1:14:06) Okay. (1:14:08) I’m familiar with that. (1:14:09) Why don’t you tell people what fentanyl is? (1:14:10) Fentanyl is opioid times opioid times opioid to the power of opioid.(1:14:16) But does, isn’t it like an upper, like it helps you? (1:14:19) It’s no, it’s, it makes you stop breathing. (1:14:21) It’s, it’s the strongest. (1:14:23) Let me put it this way.(1:14:24) If a person is overdosed and you suspect fentanyl medical personnel have to wear gloves to touch (1:14:32) them because it can go, they can get, they can get secondary overdose through the skin (1:14:38) from touching. (1:14:39) I thought it was, I think it meant fen-fen. (1:14:40) Yeah.(1:14:41) Fen-fen’s different. (1:14:42) Fen-fen’s like a diet pill or something. (1:14:43) Okay.(1:14:43) So I got confused. (1:14:44) Okay. (1:14:44) I’m sorry.(1:14:45) Yeah. (1:14:45) This is fentanyl. (1:14:46) Yeah.(1:14:47) What, what, why did they make it? (1:14:48) What was it designed for? (1:14:49) It’s really just a super painkiller. (1:14:51) Like it’s super. (1:14:52) So is it, it’s a narcotic? (1:14:53) It’s a narcotic.(1:14:54) Okay. (1:14:54) Yeah, it’s, it’s an opium. (1:14:55) Okay.(1:14:55) It’s an opioid, but like it’s the opioid of opioids. (1:14:58) It’s, it’s just the strongest, most powerful. (1:15:00) Literally we’re talking about one grain or two grain.(1:15:03) I think up as little as three grain can kill a person. (1:15:07) Whatever the grain, I think grain is like one part per million or whatever, like whatever (1:15:11) the milligram, I don’t know what the grain amount is, but it’s three of those have someone (1:15:17) was on three of those and kill them. (1:15:20) Yeah.(1:15:20) So it’s not good. (1:15:23) It’s really bad. (1:15:24) Okay.(1:15:25) The lawsuit is this. (1:15:27) So I have this article I’ll put up as well. (1:15:30) Instance files for chapter 11 days after landmark opioid settlement of 225 million.(1:15:36) Oh yeah. (1:15:36) You can see that. (1:15:37) I totally forgot.(1:15:39) $225 million. (1:15:40) That’s just this one company and they only had assets of 175 or something. (1:15:45) So 175 million.(1:15:47) So they filed for chapter 11. (1:15:49) This is what they did. (1:15:51) I’m ready.(1:15:53) They bribed doctors to prescribe the fucking shit. (1:15:57) In addition, there are claims that they called the insurance companies and said that the (1:16:04) patients requesting it had cancer so that would cover the costs so that they could make (1:16:10) more so they could sell them more because people couldn’t afford it on their own. (1:16:15) Yeah.(1:16:15) So that insurance would cover it. (1:16:16) We talk about you come in today talking about holistic being covered and it being scary. (1:16:23) This is an FDA approved fucking medication that they allowed, right? (1:16:30) Yeah.(1:16:31) And that they were calling to get it covered through the fucking government, the government (1:16:38) guidelines, right? (1:16:39) Cancer patients can get this as part of their treatment. (1:16:42) Well, they lied because people do that because there’s money in it. (1:16:46) And why does every fucking billionaire look like the creepiest motherfucker? (1:16:50) Yeah.(1:16:50) It looks like Al Roken fucked Ben Stein and then like in Henry Kissinger. (1:16:57) This is my billion dollars. (1:16:59) I am an evil man.(1:17:01) You want to flip him up real quick? (1:17:03) Just hit three and then go back to you and then talk about this. (1:17:08) He looks like an evil dude. (1:17:10) Yeah.(1:17:10) So when was that? (1:17:12) So this was this was article was June 10th, 2019. (1:17:15) So this was very recently, very recently. (1:17:17) Yeah.(1:17:17) But I remember seeing this and we talked about it. (1:17:20) Like it’s fentanyl. (1:17:23) It fucking kills people.(1:17:26) And they pay doctors to prescribe it. (1:17:28) And then they call the insurance companies and said the patients that it was for whom (1:17:32) it was prescribed had cancer. (1:17:34) So that would be paid for.(1:17:35) Yeah. (1:17:36) Are you fucking how much more evil can you be just in general? (1:17:39) How, how, how much? (1:17:42) Well, it’s all for money, right? (1:17:44) Does it justify it? (1:17:46) Does the article say how many people have died because of fentanyl? (1:17:51) I didn’t read that deeply into the article. (1:17:54) I was more just on the settlement of the money.(1:17:57) But this once again goes to the Justice Department. (1:17:59) So the federal government sued them? (1:18:02) Yes, this was. (1:18:03) And I know the Arizona State, that’s where I first heard the story was the Arizona State (1:18:07) Attorney General.(1:18:08) Okay. (1:18:09) When I watched the news, remember in the morning I used to watch the news and then I stopped. (1:18:12) Sure.(1:18:13) Because the news is equals shit is worse than people. (1:18:17) Well, people run the news, right? (1:18:20) Sure. (1:18:21) Sure.(1:18:21) We’ll go with that. (1:18:22) Yeah. (1:18:23) But to that end, yeah, it’s just, oh, yeah.(1:18:25) They also lied here, lied to insurance companies to ensure they would cover the substance (1:18:29) prescriptions, which can cost $10,000 a month or more. (1:18:33) $10,000 a month per person or more. (1:18:35) Holy fuck.(1:18:36) I didn’t see it was that expensive. (1:18:38) Holy shit. (1:18:39) Between 2012 to June of 2015.(1:18:43) So they brought in the company employees enlisted physicians to prescribe the medicine medication, (1:18:50) which is 100 times stronger than morphine in high doses and often to people who did (1:18:58) not need it and then lied to insurance companies to cover it up to $10,000 per person per lie (1:19:03) per time per prescription. (1:19:06) Holy fuck. (1:19:07) This and this is why this is why the systems get created or this is how systems get corrupted (1:19:15) or taken advantage of or whatever, right? (1:19:18) Yeah, absolutely.(1:19:20) Please finish this because I’m now I’m disgusted. (1:19:23) Well, it just reminds me of how it’s, it’s almost like, I don’t know what other word (1:19:32) to use besides template, but this is just like the Catholic church. (1:19:35) This is just like every other cover up, not, not just like every other cover up, but because (1:19:43) this was about money, you know? (1:19:45) Well, the church is about money too.(1:19:46) Well, it’s about resources. (1:19:47) Well, it’s resources and keeping your power, power or something. (1:19:52) Power, money.(1:19:53) There’s like the three check marks, right? (1:19:56) There’s three check marks. (1:19:58) Are you a triplet? (1:19:59) There are three tenets to what would you have? (1:20:03) You have one of three choices. (1:20:04) You have money, fame, or power.(1:20:06) Which one do you want? (1:20:07) Money, fame, or power. (1:20:08) You get one of three. (1:20:09) I want money.(1:20:10) Your money, money goes away. (1:20:12) You spend, it’s gone. (1:20:13) Well, I mean, if I, as long as I have enough that I can retire on.(1:20:18) But fame and power are the ones that are lasting, right? (1:20:20) Because with power, you have influence. (1:20:22) With fame, you have power. (1:20:23) You can have power.(1:20:24) You can have influence. (1:20:25) You know what I mean? (1:20:25) I understand. (1:20:26) I just don’t give a fuck about those two things, but most people do.(1:20:29) I understand. (1:20:30) I get it. (1:20:31) But you also are a weirdo.(1:20:33) Well, you’re not greedy. (1:20:34) Yeah, I’m very simple. (1:20:35) So you’d be like, hey, take care of my means.(1:20:37) I’m good. (1:20:37) Yeah. (1:20:38) But with that, they just want more.(1:20:39) Because people who get something, the one human condition that you can always bank on (1:20:46) is we, whatever we have, we want more. (1:20:50) Of course. (1:20:51) There is an internal, whatever it’s an ambition or a covet, coveting.(1:20:55) There’s never enough. (1:20:57) We. (1:20:57) I get it.(1:20:57) Always want more. (1:20:59) Yeah. (1:20:59) Because I think every animal is wired that way to want more than what they have.(1:21:04) Just in a general direction, right? (1:21:06) It’s just how we do it that seems to be fucked up. (1:21:09) This is not the best way to have more, in my opinion. (1:21:15) Yeah.(1:21:16) And I’m good. (1:21:18) So please, close it out, man. (1:21:23) I think it speaks to a bigger issue about the, I don’t want to say the human condition, (1:21:29) but the human is like, oh, hey, Purdue Pharmaceutical.(1:21:33) We made a drug that helps people block the pain, right? (1:21:41) So they had a head injury or they had a broken leg or they had a back surgery. (1:21:46) Let’s give them a drug. (1:21:48) Oh shit.(1:21:48) It’s fucking super addictive. (1:21:50) Oh fuck. (1:21:51) They’re using it on the streets.(1:21:52) How much more are we going to cover this up? (1:21:55) At what point do you wave the red flag? (1:21:59) Go, hey, everybody, we have problems. (1:22:02) Oh no, we’re not going to do that because we’re making fucking a billion dollars. (1:22:06) And this insists, whatever the fuck, they made a shitload of money too.(1:22:12) So. (1:22:12) They made, I mean, the owner is a billionaire. (1:22:15) So it was.(1:22:17) He’s protected. (1:22:18) Remember the company he filed, right? (1:22:20) Like how, you know how these, see, that’s the other thing. (1:22:23) There’s, I don’t know how you can do it legally.(1:22:25) Cause I’m sure they’ve tried to wrestle with this, but how do you make a man (1:22:29) who has this ridiculousness accountable ultimately for this? (1:22:34) You know what I mean? (1:22:35) Yeah. (1:22:35) Cause he knows to your point, emails shuffling back and forth, right? (1:22:40) Yeah. (1:22:40) How do you make individuals fucking accountable to this shit? (1:22:44) Uh, you put their, hold their balls to the fire.(1:22:50) Ouchies. (1:22:50) Well, you know, if people are suffering because you want to get richer, (1:22:56) you’re already rich, man. (1:22:58) Like, come on.(1:22:59) How much is enough? (1:23:01) It’s not. (1:23:02) Oh, it’s not. (1:23:03) Okay.(1:23:03) Oh, you’re worth 500 million. (1:23:05) Oh no, it has to be 17 more million than that. (1:23:08) That’s ridiculous.(1:23:11) All because of greed and power and control. (1:23:15) It’s just, it’s unreal. (1:23:19) I agree.(1:23:23) I just agree, man. (1:23:24) I don’t know what to say. (1:23:25) It’s very, very frustrating that the, that, that the human wants to be the puppet master (1:23:34) just so that they can control other people and make money.(1:23:39) And they don’t care about the people that they’re walking on. (1:23:42) And I wonder how many Americans have a, have a narcotic, (1:23:47) a prescription narcotic addiction. (1:23:50) It’s gotta be, I mean, there’s what? (1:23:52) 320 million people in America, right? (1:23:54) It’s probably millions.(1:23:55) Take a step back. (1:23:56) How about just, just a prescription for a narcotic? (1:23:59) Whether you’d seem, whether it was ever fulfilled or not. (1:24:01) Well, me, I mean, I just don’t use it because it’s scary as fuck.(1:24:06) But that’s my point is take a step back. (1:24:07) Look at all the people who’ve been prescribed it, whether they take it or not. (1:24:10) Look at that number.(1:24:10) Cause that number is what doctors are pushing on us. (1:24:13) Regardless. (1:24:14) Yeah.(1:24:15) You know what I mean? (1:24:15) Whether it’s not just the people who are taking it. (1:24:17) It’s they’re pushing it regardless of what we’re taking. (1:24:20) It’s like, it reminds me of like YouTube recommendations.(1:24:23) It’s like they’re pushing you the way they want you to go. (1:24:27) Right. (1:24:28) Like, right.(1:24:29) It’s like they’re recommending or, you know, so here’s, here’s an interesting anecdote (1:24:34) that I’d like to share before closing it. (1:24:36) I went, I was at a, um, at a medical marijuana dispensary. (1:24:40) I’m getting educated because my ex-girlfriend’s father was diagnosed with stage four cancer.(1:24:46) And we were looking at Rick Simpson oil and some other CBD treatments, (1:24:49) some cannabis treatments, and some things like that. (1:24:51) We’re trying to get information in the middle of this thing. (1:24:55) There’s more, more old than you’d expect.(1:24:58) It’s probably predominantly old. (1:24:59) Two thirds of the people were over 50. (1:25:01) It was an interesting number.(1:25:03) Okay. (1:25:04) And we’re talking pain management, right? (1:25:05) Yeah. (1:25:06) Woman raised her hand.(1:25:07) She goes, excuse me. (1:25:08) Should I, my doctor just, you know, prescribed fentanyl or some opioid to me. (1:25:12) Should I trust him? (1:25:15) Like you’re, if you’re questioning whether you should trust your doctor, (1:25:19) that means you shouldn’t fucking trust your doctor.(1:25:21) Like, I’m sorry. (1:25:22) But once again, trying to be kind to people and their lives are busy and distracted. (1:25:30) But like, just cause you’re wearing a white butcher coat doesn’t make you always the expert.(1:25:36) It’s not, they, they definitely know what they’re doing. (1:25:38) They went through medical school. (1:25:39) Yeah, but there’s bad doctors too.(1:25:41) Right. (1:25:42) But I’m just saying, look, get a second opinion. (1:25:47) You know what I mean? (1:25:48) Yes.(1:25:50) Yeah. (1:25:51) We just got a second opinion. (1:25:53) Allegedly.(1:25:54) I don’t know. (1:25:55) I think that’s going to pick up. (1:25:57) I don’t know.(1:25:59) Okay. (1:26:00) I think we’re okay. (1:26:01) Okay.(1:26:01) But yeah. (1:26:02) Should I trust my doctor? (1:26:03) If you’re asking whether you should trust your doctor, I’m going to say no. (1:26:10) And to you, sir.(1:26:11) Do you want to hear a little brief story time? (1:26:13) Yeah. (1:26:13) Are you going to grab the stick of fury? (1:26:15) Sure. (1:26:16) To activate.(1:26:18) I think it’s this guy. (1:26:20) I’m pretty sure it’s this guy. (1:26:21) No, it’s this one.(1:26:22) It’s this guy. (1:26:22) Oh, is that the, that’s the. (1:26:23) It’s this guy.(1:26:23) You’re opposite. (1:26:23) That’s the summary. (1:26:24) Cause you’re upside down.(1:26:25) Yeah. (1:26:25) It’s this guy. (1:26:28) And you only press it once.(1:26:29) That’s perfect. (1:26:30) With no, no, no. (1:26:31) Do not.(1:26:32) Sir, you get to close it with it, but no more. (1:26:35) Okay. (1:26:36) Okay.(1:26:37) Bishop. (1:26:39) Okay. (1:26:39) So quite possibly the best couple hours of my life.(1:26:44) Um, years and years ago, whatever, six years ago, I was, there was a bunch of us over at (1:26:50) some friend’s house and, uh, a buddy goes, Hey man, do you want a muscle relaxer? (1:26:58) I’m like, okay. (1:26:59) Never had one of those before. (1:27:01) So I took it with my Jack and Coke and with some Oxy that I had one pill, one, you know, (1:27:08) one muscle relaxer, one Oxy and one Jack and Coke.(1:27:11) And he had motocross on the TV. (1:27:13) I’m not a motocross fan. (1:27:15) And I’m in the, I like the, it’s like the couch swallowed me.(1:27:20) It was, it was, and I was sipping my Jack and Coke and I’m like, this is the best. (1:27:27) This is the best I’ve ever felt in my entire life within an hour. (1:27:32) I was like, I can never do this again because I could be, it’s so addicted and I never had (1:27:38) another muscle relaxer again.(1:27:40) And I, you know, I, I, I take a pain pill twice a year at this point, maybe because my head (1:27:48) hurts that bad, but that, or when it does, right? (1:27:51) Yeah. (1:27:52) But I usually just take Excedrin and fucking suck it up and deal with it. (1:27:56) So it’s just funny that the muscle relaxer and Jack Daniels and an Oxy was the best four (1:28:02) hours of my life.(1:28:04) That is a beautiful story time. (1:28:08) And ladies and gentlemen, that has been, that has been our, uh, coverage of, uh, the medical (1:28:15) field and why holistic stuff’s not covered and why some shouldn’t be. (1:28:19) That is, I guess, right.(1:28:20) It was kind of a two-parter in, inside one, a twofer for Tuesday, bro. (1:28:25) Close it out, sir. (1:28:26) What does everybody else think? (1:28:28) What do you guys, you know, what do you think about the medical profession and tell the (1:28:31) kids out there what to do? (1:28:33) Uh, rate, download, subscribe, comment on the YouTube and the iTunes and the Spotify (1:28:41) and the pod bean and the doggy.com and stuff.(1:28:46) And, uh, what do you guys think about holistic medicine and alternative medicines and how (1:28:54) do we improve as a human race? (1:28:57) I think that was excellently said. (1:28:59) Thank you, sir. (1:29:00) And with that, I guess we’ll call it another Knocked Conscious.(1:29:02) It’s, um, Sunday, November 29th, 2020. (1:29:07) Please listen, rate, review, subscribe, follow. (1:29:11) We’re so grateful for everything.(1:29:13) We’re, you know, it’s going well, I think, in my opinion, from what we know, we’re still (1:29:19) pretty new at this five months in we are. (1:29:21) But, uh, this one, this one’s probably going to be released towards either the end of (1:29:24) December, early January. (1:29:25) Still not sure.(1:29:26) Okay. (1:29:27) I don’t like giving exact dates cause I fucked up last time I set an exact date. (1:29:30) So I’m moving one just to accommodate because I was an idiot, which is, which is fun.(1:29:35) Whatever you say. (1:29:36) So this has been one really smart guy over there. (1:29:41) And one other guy over there.(1:29:43) And dumb guy over here. (1:29:44) Dumb guy over there. (1:29:45) And, and how are we closing this one out, sir? (1:29:48) Uh, be excellent to each other and party on dudes.