A conversation about the “The Century of the Self, Part 4” (BBC documentary)

Recorded 12/13/2020 – Chris and Mark discuss the BBC documentary, The Century of the Self – Part 4: “Eight People Sipping Wine in Kettering”, available on YouTube (link below).
https://youtu.be/VouaAz5mQAs
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Transcript:

(0:04) Live from the treehouse in Phoenix, Arizona, it’s Knocked Conscious with Chris, Woodsy Peralta, and Mark Poles. (0:14) From the home office in Gilbert, Arizona, welcome. (0:19) Hi.(0:20) Buenvenidos, all the peoples. How’s everyone doing? We’re doing well, sir. Hello to Chickmark.(0:25) Hello. Well, Chickmark says hello. He lost his mug, downstairs, so he’s still being washed.It’s not really lost. (0:30) No, my mimo’s washing it. You have possession of it.She’s washing it by hand down by the river. (0:37) With the laundry. So your chonies and your mug are gonna be (0:41) squeaky clean.And then they’re gonna play some washboard, like (0:45) So it’s like air guitar, but different. (0:48) Air washboard. Yes, very good.Yes. (0:51) Sir, Knocked Conscious, how are you? Muy bien. Happy Sunday.Sunday, Sunday. (0:58) And other words too. (1:01) Today is a (1:02) Sunday, December 13th.Sure. Whatever you say, bro. 2020.(1:07) Bainty, bainty. We’re getting there. Yeah, fun stuff.What are we doing today? (1:11) Oh, well, first of all, sir, we do have a, I have a presentation to make. (1:16) Like, do you, did you bring a PowerPoint? I have a deck, bro. Oh, nice.Well, you also have, like, the other kind. (1:22) Uh, I know. So we apparently, in the studio, are, in the podcast recording studio, we are (1:28) slowly collecting (1:31) paraphernalia of the trinket sort.Time out. Paraphernalia is a very scary term. (1:37) Not that kind of paraphernalia.No, like, toys and shit. Trink, knick-knacks. Yeah, I’m not a drug addict, for Christ’s sake.(1:44) I don’t even, I never even seen a fucking drug. So yes, we have a special Agent Orange from Trading Places and (1:52) we have, uh, (1:53) we have (1:54) the Slayer mascot and we have some tequila and we have some (1:59) vodka. (2:01) So, uh, I have a presentation to make.I have, I’m not kidding, (2:08) to all the iTunes listeners, I have a Beanie Baby (2:10) to present to Czech Mark. (2:14) Beanie. It is a Beanie Baby.They are so popular right now. They were so popular. No, they are so popular.25 years ago. (2:20) No, they are. And in Czech Republic, they’re huge.They’re hot. They’re huge. (2:24) This is my Trump impression.It’s huge. It’s going to be the biggest ever. Well, when you do that, (2:29) you have to do the seal arms.Huge. Huge. It’s going to be huge.And ever. Ever. Yes.(2:36) So I like to present Czech Mark with the latest of our trinkets. (2:41) The Pterodactyl Beanie Baby. That is the best.(2:46) Caw-caw. (2:47) Rawr. That is going to have to hover.So here you are, sir. Oh, thank you so much. This bad boy is going to have to hover.(2:54) Caw-caw. Rawr. So.Rawr. (2:57) When you’re having, next time you’re having sex, make sure you text me. (3:01) Okay.I will run in. Like during? Yeah, during. During.Well, I mean. Like. (3:05) I’ll probably have to be next door because like, I know I don’t go for 30 minutes.(3:09) I’m just going to assume you don’t because we’re 20, 30 minutes away. 20, 29, 30 minutes. If you can go 30 minutes, then yeah.(3:15) 28 minutes. Just text me the second you start the coitus. (3:19) And we’ll come in and go.Rawr. Rawr. No, that’s not going to happen.Rawr. Rawr. Okay, this is Knocked Conscious, but that was a perfect segue.I love it. (3:27) I’m anti-pterodactyl sex, bro. (3:30) That’s not my thing, dude.Okay. (3:33) I’m good with that. (3:37) I think he’s going to stay.(3:39) We can hang it from the ceiling with some, you know, fishing line or something. Check that out, bro. (3:44) Check me out.Check him out. He’s good now. Hell yeah.Well, thank you, sir. You’re welcome. (3:48) You’re welcome.(3:49) We accept trinkets from anyone as long as they don’t have like white powder, like anthrax on them or something. (3:54) Well, unless it’s a CD from the band Anthrax. (3:58) Did they do flower? Did they do that in a promotion sometime like where they open it up and it’s got powder? (4:02) No, they’ve never, ever, ever, ever, ever done that.(4:05) That would be pretty cool, though. (4:07) No, it would not be cool. (4:08) No, it wouldn’t go over well.It’s like, oh, it’s a promotion. Promotion gone poorly. (4:11) I did like that when there was the big anthrax scare, like in the 90s, (4:15) they did make a statement that that they were not going to change their name.(4:19) That’s good. Fuck that. (4:20) Fuck those guys.We’re not changing our name. (4:22) We’ve been anthrax since 1981. (4:24) Yeah, just because they’re an anthrax scare.(4:25) It is a type of chemical. Big deal. (4:27) Like it’s not it’s like guns.(4:29) It’s like it’s not about the gun. It’s about the person using it. (4:31) Like if you use it for nefarious reasons, it has nothing to do with the actual.(4:35) The chemical is not a guilty party. (4:37) Chemical warfare. Oh, that’s Slayer, not anthrax.(4:39) Oh, I’m thinking like Skyanide that smells like almonds. (4:42) What are we talking about today, Mark? (4:44) Today, we are today’s topic. (4:45) We’re finally closing it out.Thank the gods. (4:48) And I knew I knew the second I watched this one that you didn’t want. (4:52) You weren’t all in.(4:53) I’m so good. I’m always all in. (4:55) I know you’re all snooker doodle.(4:56) We are always all in. Yes. (4:58) But let’s be honest, it went into politics.(5:00) And you and I, we I am I am more politically minded than yourself. (5:06) Or I care more, whatever the word is. (5:08) No, you just talk more about it.(5:09) Yes. No, let’s just let’s just be clear. (5:12) I give a shit a lot less.(5:15) Was that would you say that? (5:16) Well, that’s the truth. (5:18) I mean, and I know that’s not a criticism. (5:20) That is that is just that’s who you are.(5:22) And we we have clearly stated we are not a politics or we don’t. (5:27) We don’t do it. Right.Right. (5:29) We talk shit about certain people, but that’s because they did us harm. (5:32) I texted me at 12 or 4 a.m. at midnight.(5:35) Thank you very much. (5:35) Little upset that day that did. (5:37) Oh, I mean, sorry that not a nice person that did that to me.(5:40) The loser of the election. (5:41) The loser of that race that tells you how influential you are. (5:44) But we we’re not we we don’t do we don’t do politics.(5:48) However, century itself did. (5:50) Kind of lean heavily in politics on this one, part four, part four, (5:54) part four, eight people sipping wine and catering is very strange title. (5:59) It is a strange title.(6:00) And I found did you find in the documentary where they said it? (6:03) Yes. OK, this is towards the last three quarters. (6:06) Yeah.It’s like, why the fuck would you call it that? (6:09) I didn’t like a lot of the title names. I’m not going to lie. (6:12) I would agree with you.(6:12) But the documentary is fucking sound. (6:14) Do you wish to give a (6:18) forty nine second recap of what the century of the self is, sir? (6:22) Yes, sir. I would love that.OK. (6:26) I would love if you probably, oh, I see the stick of fury being a. (6:29) No. Oh, I mean, oh, oh, we’ve got lotion.(6:32) Can you show us a lotion? Fucking dry skin, bro. (6:34) I think that should go up in the desert in the wintertime. (6:38) You and I look like I got like you and I look like bare knuckle boxers.(6:42) It’s ridiculous, man. (6:43) And we’ve never touched a soul with our knuckles. (6:45) I haven’t.I touched a soul in my shoe, my knuckle once. (6:48) I think I found. Oh, no.(6:50) That’s a century of the self. Yes. (6:53) Four part documentary on BBC Backlight.(6:55) It was a two thousand two thousand five or something. (6:57) Two thousand in between those two. (6:59) Two thousand two.Right around there. (7:01) Between 15 and 20 years. (7:02) It’s not an HD.And that made me very sad. (7:04) It was very four by three. (7:05) I was not I was not happy with a four by three, not 16 by nine widescreen.(7:11) But basically what it spoke about is how Freud’s ideas from Europe. (7:19) Dr. Sigmund Freud. Dr. Sigmund Freud.(7:21) He he was talking about the darkness of humanity (7:25) and how we always fight to keep it in. (7:27) Basically, that’s our we are evil people fighting that enemy all the time. (7:32) That’s how we should treat ourselves.(7:34) Suppression. His cousin, Edward Bernier, nephew, nephew, (7:39) nephew, correct, Edward Bernays, comes to the United States, starts (7:42) public, the term public relations, starts public relations (7:45) and manipulates all people using Freud’s ideas (7:50) on how to manipulate them and keeping them suppressed. (7:53) And then it goes through decade after decade from the 20s on.(7:58) And yeah, because it was right after World War One. (8:00) Yes, correct. Yeah.Go ahead, please. (8:02) And then episode three was the 60s and 70s (8:08) and how there was a backlash against that. (8:10) And I mean, the way I saw the last part we did, episode three was (8:15) it was kind of the hippie movement in a way.(8:18) Well, it led into Reagan there at the end. (8:20) Yes. Yeah.The 60s, 70s. (8:22) And then how Reagan got elected in 1980, inaugurated in 81. (8:28) And how the public relations movement and how focus groups (8:32) and how the ideas of psychoanalysis played into politics, (8:40) not only here, but in the UK and how Margaret Thatcher got elected in the UK.(8:44) Yeah, very, very interesting as a whole. (8:47) But basically, it just showed like there was the movement from Freud (8:51) and then there was a backlash. (8:52) But then they utilized the Freudian techniques anyway to utilize the backlash (8:57) when they went to the individual from from the group, right, from the collective.(9:01) And now they’re capitalizing on that. (9:03) And that’s kind of where we are now, right? (9:05) And that’s part four. (9:06) That’s part four.(9:07) Basically, it just goes into how the politics and everything about. (9:11) I mean, I’d say the politics, the businesses now own the politics (9:14) and how clearly that seemed to be by the end of this episode. (9:18) And this part four takes place in the US and in the UK in the 90s, correct? (9:24) Yes, sir.So it had a lot to do with (9:28) the end of the Reagan era and and how Clinton came into power, (9:35) as well as the struggle with the. (9:40) The conservative and the liberal parties in the UK as well. (9:45) Yes.Yeah. (9:46) And and what they had was they were talking about the 70s in Britain. (9:51) There was a big recession.(9:52) Business started to look at the desires and emotions of the consumer. (9:55) Yeah. Instead of making the mass production stuff.(9:58) The UK was like almost like trailing us a little bit. (10:00) It’s almost a lag, just a hair. (10:02) But we we had a pretty bad economic crisis in the 70s.(10:04) Oh, yeah. You and I were born in the 70s, so we didn’t really. (10:08) Directly experienced.Yeah, I don’t remember. (10:10) I mean, I remember a couple of gas lines when I was really little (10:14) and how big all the damn cars were. (10:17) You know, my dad had a 69 Impala.(10:19) It was the size of Rhode Island. (10:20) My dad had a Chevelle Malibu. (10:22) It’s like, dude, when painted, of course, it was fucking beautiful.(10:27) Love my dad. Yeah. (10:30) And and what it does was so they they they turn to focus groups in Great Britain (10:34) and they started turning things around or the politics started turning things around.(10:38) They started looking at doing focus groups and everything in Britain. (10:42) And it was it was a new individualism. (10:45) They didn’t want to be seen as social classes, (10:47) but individuals free to express themselves, which that’s where we are now.(10:51) I mean, we are the United States. (10:53) I would is arguably the birth of true individual freedoms. (10:59) Of course.So in a weird way, we’re kind of a victim of that. (11:02) But it’s funny because Freud saw the darkness in humanity. (11:05) It wasn’t about us being allowed to have our individual rights.(11:08) It’s expressing them. (11:10) That was a problem, it seemed. (11:11) But we are very expressive, right? (11:13) The Constitution protects all of those expressions as long as it’s peaceful.(11:18) Yes, of course. Which is beautiful. (11:21) So we didn’t want to have the same as everybody else.(11:24) That’s what that seemed to be the theme of this. (11:26) Right. It’s like, no, we want to be different.(11:28) But, you know, you’re you’re you’re still not buying mass produced, (11:31) but it’s a lot more, you know, pointing towards (11:33) a kind of sectioned off people into different groups. (11:37) So it was semi individual, but it still had some mass production to it (11:41) because you still had to sell product. (11:42) So they wanted you to like this style, like a clean style or a French country.(11:47) Right. Yeah. (11:48) I found that very interesting that the numerous couples from the UK (11:52) that they interviewed in their homes and the home, and it was whatever, (11:56) probably in the what, early to mid 80s.(12:00) And they they all basically said the same thing, (12:04) that they didn’t want to have the same style and the same (12:08) material things that everyone else had. (12:10) It was the same. It was almost like the same verbiage.(12:13) It’s very interesting how they how how they articulated themselves (12:18) and they showed their houses and they were all different. (12:21) And they had these one couple of these horrible drapes like, oh, my God. (12:25) And they were probably 30 years old.(12:27) Like those shits are terrible, man. (12:29) Not that I’m an interior designer, but damn, burn it. (12:33) I think they were dated.They were new then. (12:35) Yeah. Right.Yes. (12:37) Before they took the interview. (12:38) Well, it just reminds me like Ikea, because we talk about the individual (12:41) and then I think like, well, Ikea is mass produced.(12:44) And we we were fortunate to be in a city that has an Ikea. (12:47) And that was held. (12:49) Your line is around the building three times.(12:52) And it’s just ridiculous. (12:53) However, what I found is that you can still have individually (12:57) individuality within mass production. (12:59) Like I can choose different color, green style.(13:02) Like I can have this bookcase, but I can have that chest of drawers (13:06) or I can have this bed frame or whatever. (13:08) So it did like the it’s almost a modular mix and match design if you want. (13:12) But it has a general clean overall feel, right? (13:16) Yeah, of course.I get it. (13:17) It’s kind of streamlined. (13:18) It’s interesting, though, because it’s technically I would consider that mass (13:21) produced.Oh, yeah. (13:23) But they’re doing good things. (13:25) When I die and go to hell.(13:26) It’s it’s Ikea, bro. (13:28) I don’t mind Ikea. (13:30) I hate I get lost in the arrows and shit.(13:33) And then like people stop in the middle of the aisle and they’re like, (13:38) stay on target. (13:42) Oh, Ikea is the best. (13:44) No, it’s I get what you’re saying.(13:46) But I went like we had an Ikea in in Philadelphia area. (13:50) So I grew up like going to Ikea was like a thing for us. (13:54) So it was like this and stuff because it was different.(13:56) It’s not as popular as it is now. (13:58) Obviously, the right. Yeah.(14:00) And now it’s just like everywhere. Right. Yeah.(14:03) But it’s pretty interesting. (14:04) So anyway, that was just a thought on that. (14:06) But it was like something about people were classified (14:08) by their inner psychological needs.(14:10) But then we had the thing with product placement, right? (14:12) Interviews of stars would have products attached to them. (14:15) So you couldn’t you couldn’t get an interview with, (14:20) you know, George Clooney if if you (14:24) you had to put a Coke can down next to him when you take the picture (14:27) or he had mentioned Coke three times in the article. (14:30) It’s a very interesting thing of how they how they married those two.(14:34) Right. To keep us kind of manipulated, interested, engaged, whatever, (14:38) you know, because we love that stuff. (14:40) It’s almost like to your point.(14:44) They the corporations owned that (14:48) they they owned the celebrity. (14:52) And then therefore the celebrity (14:55) and the corporation owned the readers or the listeners (14:59) or the viewers, you know, in a strange way. (15:04) Yeah, they absolutely did.(15:05) I mean, completely unconsciously. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (15:09) But if you I mean, the one picture from the sun in the UK, (15:15) I have no idea who they were, a couple of celebrities (15:17) and they were on a moped or a scooter.(15:20) And there was a pizza guy was holding the pizza box. (15:23) It was a model who said she liked pizza. (15:26) Yeah.And they had to have pizza. (15:27) And I thought, there’s no way these people eat fucking pizza. Right.(15:32) I mean, come on. (15:33) And then there was a second picture where they had to be eating the pizza. (15:36) So why? Why wouldn’t you just just? (15:40) I didn’t understand that.(15:41) I thought that was very strange, you know? (15:44) I agree 100 percent. (15:47) That technical difficulties, people have gone. (15:50) Oh, my God.We’re hearing very odd. (15:52) I’m wondering what that is. (15:53) Talk about pizza.I’m going to fix it. (15:55) And yeah, you’re right. (15:55) Pizza Hut is now the pizza thing was really crazy because it was like a supermodel.(15:59) It’s like, yeah, that’s the pizza she eats or something. (16:01) And you’re just like, whatever pizza. (16:03) Oh, that’s it, bro.(16:04) No, I think it’s us. It’s just been happening. (16:07) I think maybe I’m rubbing my feet together, (16:10) clicking my heels three times because I got my ruby shoes on.(16:13) And I want to go to Oz or something like that. (16:16) But OK, so so it brought the desires of the individual to the center of society (16:21) and encouraged business to take over from government (16:24) the role of fulfilling the needs of the people. (16:27) And that was very an interesting statement that was made.(16:32) I agree. Did you did you pick up on that specific kind of statement (16:35) when you watched it? (16:36) Can you repeat the statement, please? (16:37) The statement is consumer. (16:40) I’m sorry.(16:41) They encouraged business to take over from the government (16:44) the role of fulfilling the needs of the people. (16:52) It’s kind of. (16:54) I find it a little disturbing, actually, like why? (16:59) Why can’t a person fulfill their own needs? (17:03) Why do you need an outside influence to do that at all? (17:06) So it’s almost I don’t I’m going to sound crazy.(17:10) It’s almost like you’re being brainwashed (17:13) or you’re being manipulated into thinking a certain way. (17:16) We’re being groomed. (17:17) Yeah.OK, groomed. Sure. (17:18) If you want to say that.(17:20) They were certainly using humanity against a portion of humanity against us. (17:25) Right. Because remember, there there are anti there.(17:29) Freud’s not correct nor incorrect. (17:31) Well, it’s it’s Freud just has his own theory (17:35) about the human psyche, right? (17:37) Whether he’s right or wrong. (17:38) I mean, obviously, there’s a bunch of people that disagree with him.Correct. (17:41) So that’s it’s just a theory. Right.(17:43) And some of his cold water and some of the other sides (17:46) that say people are generally good hold water, too. (17:49) Right. It just depends on when and how you see it and how it comes out.Right. (17:53) I think we’ve talked about Freud tends to be come out (17:57) when your back’s against the wall or you feel threatened in some way (18:01) or there’s limited reason, like the darkness comes out when you (18:04) when you’re back, when you have to, when it has to, (18:07) or when you feel like you’re pushed to that level. (18:09) Do you mean like a survival? (18:12) Like a survival instinct? (18:14) In a weird way, because that’s how they harped on us.(18:17) That’s how they got us to believe certain things. Right. (18:19) Our nationalism, patriotism, pride, you know, those types of things (18:23) can get can turn dark pretty quickly.Right. (18:26) They can turn bad. (18:27) Like there was there was a rally yesterday and there wasn’t.(18:32) Yeah, there were protesters for one of the one of the presidential candidates. (18:36) Oh, and then there were anti protesters and and four people were stabbed. (18:39) Where was this? Washington, D.C. (18:41) Oh, OK.Just once again, I’m not I don’t. (18:44) That’s a historical fact. Right.(18:45) So we’re not taking sides last night. (18:47) That’s why I don’t talk about who it is. (18:48) I was unaware there was a protest.(18:50) So I feign ignorance. (18:53) But I think what it is is one side feels like they’re going to lose. (18:57) Yeah.And their backs against the wall. (18:58) And oh, now I get it. (18:59) The last way of doing it.OK. (19:01) And then it erupts to this darkness. (19:03) OK, I know I didn’t understand your your point at first.(19:06) Now I do understand. (19:07) Just in general, I don’t make good points, bro. (19:10) No, I get you do.(19:12) And now I understand I didn’t get it at first. (19:14) Yeah, I don’t communicate so good. (19:15) I don’t talk to good stuff.(19:16) But so consumers are encouraged to see satisfaction of their desires (19:20) as the overriding priority. (19:22) Now, to your point, great question, right? (19:26) Why? Why are we looking towards others and not ourselves? (19:29) And this is what is interesting about this Knocked Conscious, in my opinion. (19:34) You and I have different, slightly different philosophies.(19:38) We’re we’re both good people. (19:40) But we have speak for yourself. (19:42) Yeah, well, you’re awesome.(19:43) That wasn’t what I meant, but I know. (19:46) But we have philosophies that slightly different in some things. (19:50) We have a lot that align, but we do have ones that differ.(19:53) But the but the reason we can discuss these openly is because you and I (19:56) take personal accountability into effect about we shouldn’t be looking outward (20:02) towards other people helping us in a way like a lot of it is ourselves helping (20:07) ourselves. Now, that doesn’t mean we don’t believe in community or helping others, (20:10) nor it is hard for us, though, because we are pretty prideful (20:14) people to ask for help. (20:16) So but we take personal accountability.(20:18) That’s why I think we’re as good as we are with our differences, because when it (20:23) comes down to it, you’re not different because you’re asking for something. (20:27) And I’m not different because I’m not willing to give something in a weird way. (20:33) I completely understand.(20:35) OK, OK. (20:36) I completely understand. (20:37) And I completely agree.(20:37) And I would like to add to that that I am a firm believer in the idea. (20:42) And I hate to informational barfage. (20:49) I hate to bring it up that civil discourse.(20:53) I love to have. (20:57) Conversations like this with anyone about anything, if you can be civil and a lot (21:04) of times, not a lot of times, sometimes some people can’t be civil, and that’s (21:09) where I’m like, OK, you’re not being nice anymore. (21:12) And you’re now attacking me personally because of a belief or an opinion or (21:17) whatever word you want to use.(21:18) So I’m not going to continue this conversation. (21:21) So that’s why you and I can have these conversations, because, yeah, we don’t (21:26) agree on everything. (21:27) And we admit that all the time.(21:28) But yet we can continue to have a conversation because we respect each (21:32) other where a lot of people lose sight of that. (21:35) I agree. (21:36) And I just think but it does come from our core values of we’re pretty hard (21:39) working.We’re hard working. (21:40) Yes, sir. And we we do believe that we help ourselves.(21:45) Well, yeah. And it is general thing. (21:47) Absolutely.And I mean, I told and please stop me if I’ve said this before. (21:51) I told my mom, I’m not just kidding. (21:55) I just please reply.(21:56) Stop it. To stop receiving text messages. (21:59) We have to tell that story.(22:00) I told my mom just before the election. (22:03) She was ranting about whatever. (22:05) I don’t know.I wasn’t listening. (22:08) Sorry. Is that me in terrible mom’s lost my soda and I said, mom, my it doesn’t (22:15) matter.My life is what I make it. (22:17) You know, presidents have come and gone and I work hard and I have a I you know, (22:22) I I’ve always had a job and that’s not going to change. (22:26) I’m going to work hard no matter what I’m doing, no matter who the president is or (22:29) who the senator is or who the the town council gesture of whateverville is.(22:36) It doesn’t it’s not going to change the supreme alien, the supreme alien being in (22:41) charge of production and efficiency quadrant seven. (22:44) It doesn’t matter. Next to the monolith in Utah.(22:47) Alexa. So it doesn’t matter who who is. (22:53) My life is what I make it.That’s the point of that. (22:55) Sorry. Go.(22:57) So once again, back back to this part. (23:00) But when we talk about these things, it does matter. (23:02) But consumers, once again, were encouraged to see the satisfaction of their desires (23:06) as the overriding priority.(23:07) Once again, it’s a satisfaction of each individual’s. (23:12) Desires, there are three hundred and thirty million people in this country. (23:18) Yeah.How can anything get really done if there are three hundred and thirty million (23:22) differing opinions, if if everyone like I’m sorry, it’s really makes society (23:28) challenging. I agree. (23:31) It’s you know, there’s there are some prices to pay to make civility and sometimes of (23:35) this size.You have to you have to really try to do what’s best for the majority. (23:41) And you can’t make everyone happy all of the time. (23:44) And that’s true with everything.(23:45) I mean, that’s just you have twenty four people over for Christmas dinner pre covid (23:48) and you can’t make everybody happy. (23:52) Oh, I like the potatoes this way and I like that way. (23:54) Auntie, shut the fuck up.(23:56) You know what I mean? Like it’s true with everything. (23:58) It’s just the way it is. (23:59) Like all the concerts I go to.(24:01) Oh yeah. I really wish they wouldn’t play that song, but they played this song. (24:04) It’s true with everything.(24:05) So you can’t make three hundred thirty million people happy with some presidential or (24:10) senatorial or congressional decision. (24:14) Someone’s always going to be pissed. (24:15) Right now.That’s that’s the weird part. (24:18) Right. You do have to dance a fine line of not stepping on.(24:23) People to do this, right. (24:25) Yeah. And that, you know, we talked about inequalities in general, we’re not going to get (24:28) in the weeds about it, but those are still very challenging conversations to have, because it (24:33) is what we can just be 100 percent utilitarian because we do the what’s that train, the (24:38) train or the trolley exercise.(24:40) Have you ever heard that? No. (24:41) OK, so there’s a trolley going down the track and it’s headed towards towards a baby in a (24:47) stroller that’s on the track. (24:49) OK, they can switch the track, but there are five elderly people in wheelchairs stuck on (24:55) the track.It’s a terrible story. (24:56) Well, this is the point, though. (24:58) What do you choose? (25:00) Do you choose? (25:00) Can you stop the train? (25:01) No.Can you choose? (25:03) Can you derail the train? (25:04) No. You have to you have to choose the one or the five. (25:08) Now, do you choose the five that have had full lives already and live their life and the (25:13) baby hasn’t had that chance? (25:14) Or do you choose the five people? (25:16) Because five people is more than one.(25:18) I understand. Once again, but that’s that’s kind of how to answer. (25:22) No, no.Thank God. (25:23) No, I’m not asking to answer. (25:24) I’m saying that’s the thought thought experiment.(25:27) Right. Yeah. But that’s how it works.(25:28) Yeah. And it sucks because, yes, people are being unfortunately mistreated or in equal (25:35) in some places. Because of the result of the utilitarian view of things of it, the other (25:43) thing might be better for the law.(25:45) Right. They’re trying to run off. (25:47) Yeah, right.(25:48) The majority is is is should always be the focus. (25:52) We try to do the most good for the most people all of the time. (25:56) And that’s what and basically this new thing became this was the new and better form of (26:02) democracy was each and everyone’s individual desires taking priority.(26:06) And we’re seeing that play out. (26:07) And that’s what’s funny about it. (26:08) Fifteen to twenty years later, after this documentary.(26:11) Well, the documentary. But this is this is they were talking about things that happened (26:15) in what? Nineteen ninety one. (26:17) Yeah.So, yeah, well, that’s where it began. (26:20) Right. You know, so that’s that’s 30 years ago.(26:23) Right. If not even before then. (26:27) Yeah.But that’s where it began. (26:28) We’re talking about where. But what I’m saying is we’re seeing what they came up to, like (26:33) the conclusion of is exactly where we are now.(26:35) It looks like I would agree. (26:37) They saw that I would sadly agree. (26:40) So some so what what they were afraid of is that it’s some in the most selfish and greedy (26:44) aspects of human nature.(26:46) Do you remember the thing where they’re saying you work so hard for this? (26:49) Why give it up? Right. (26:50) You’ve you’ve lived your life. (26:51) You’ve contributed to society.(26:53) That’s kind of how the Reagan view. (26:55) Yes. Right.(26:56) Keep your money in. (26:57) Right. So that’s where we are with that.(27:01) What are your thoughts up to this point so far in the. (27:05) I’m good. I think you’ve covered it.(27:08) OK, so Democratic Party persuaded that they had common interests with others. (27:13) Now, what initially the Democratic Party just did what they thought was best for you. (27:17) That’s that’s the way they kind of painted that.(27:19) Right. That was the thought is pre-Clinton. (27:21) Yeah.Pre-Clinton. (27:23) Right. The old Democratic Party kind of looked at the world as like we we we have an idea (27:30) what we think is best for everyone.(27:31) So we’re going to go that way. (27:32) So they had like they had a platform agenda or whatever. (27:36) Not the agenda, but they had an idea of how they wanted to do things, which is good.(27:39) It’s good to have a plan. Right. (27:40) A good idea of how they wanted to govern is what you’re saying.(27:45) OK. Oh, OK. (27:47) So this Philip Gould guy was brought in, right, to help the Labour Party.(27:51) Labour Party was the more liberal party. (27:54) In the UK. In the UK.(27:55) OK. He said that they stopped listening to the people. (27:58) So they had to reconnect.The Labour Party stopped listening to the people. (28:01) Correct. OK.So they had to reconnect the Labour Party with lost voters. (28:04) And then they started these focus groups that we talked about. (28:07) They found that people started to treat government like business.(28:09) They could dictate what they wanted because they paid taxes. (28:12) That’s how they kind of people started feeling semi entitled by that. (28:16) Yeah, that’s your word, though.(28:17) That’s not they did say entitled. (28:19) They did. I believe they did.(28:20) I’ll check it again. (28:22) And if I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but I believe they did. (28:24) But go ahead.Tell me what your thoughts on that or what you got from it. (28:28) Well, that’s the focus groups where is that that’s that’s pre Tony Blair. (28:36) Correct.Yes. So that’s the focus group where they were saying, (28:40) oh, we’re going to vote for the Labour Party. (28:41) We’re going to vote for the Labour Party.(28:42) We’re going to which is the more liberal. (28:44) That’s basically the Democratic Party of the United Kingdom. (28:47) And the focus groups on both sides, (28:51) the liberal and the conservative parties were saying (28:57) were the polls were contradicting what the focus groups were saying.(29:01) Yes. So the polls were saying, oh, the the the Labour Party is going to win. (29:06) But the focus groups were saying they were not right.(29:09) So they again, they were contradicting each other. (29:11) And they put their all their faith. (29:14) The Labour Party, the Liberal Party put all their faith in the polls.(29:17) And they lost focus groups, actually. (29:19) Right. Didn’t they say that because they thought the focus group (29:21) was on the Labour Party side? (29:23) It was the polls that came out later that showed that.(29:26) Right. Isn’t that what you said? (29:28) Uh, well, the focus group said that the Labour Party was going to win. (29:33) But then after, but they ended up voting conservative.(29:35) Right. And the polls coming out after were the ones that showed (29:38) that that was not a true statement. Yes.(29:41) So they put all their faith in the focus group. (29:42) I just want to be clear about what they put their faith in. Right.(29:45) Well, what sort of the Conservative Party did to the polls (29:48) show the Labour Party ahead. (29:50) And the Conservative Party also had focus groups that said (29:53) the Conservative Party was going to win, even though they were losing in the polls. (29:56) Oh, I thought I had no it was.Yeah, both. (29:59) Well, the thing was, though, if you watch the guy who won, (30:02) I forget the guy who. Yeah, yeah, I know.(30:04) I can see his face. I see his face. Yeah.(30:06) But basically, he said, that’s not what we’re seeing in the polls. (30:09) Yes. Remember, he sounded very comfortable.Correct. (30:12) About that. Correct.(30:13) So he wasn’t scared. (30:14) I don’t think he was scared at all. (30:16) And he totally blew off the polls.Right. (30:18) Because I thought it was a focus group. (30:20) We’re saying that’s the polls are bullshit.(30:23) You’re going to win it. (30:24) And he was he had this air, this confidence that (30:28) I’m not going to worry about that shit. (30:30) I’m I’m kick ass.(30:32) And I was like, that was very impressive. (30:34) And the dude goes on to win. (30:36) You pre-cog me, bro.(30:37) Oh, that’s what I was. (30:38) I was sorry. (30:38) Polls show that even though they say, oh, I had it.(30:41) See, that’s why I have this maybe my notes wrong. (30:43) But I had gold. (30:45) First of all, Gould said that the Labor Party would lose in ninety two.(30:48) And they’re like, no, we’re not. (30:49) We’re fucking crushing. (30:51) He’s the only one.Right. (30:52) That that had it right. Right.(30:54) And they brought him in to help with this. (30:55) And he’s telling them exactly what’s going to happen. Correct.(30:58) And they basically kind of pooh poohed him in a weird way. Right. (31:01) So I have it as the polls show.(31:03) Right. The Labor Party believed the polls, (31:07) but the focus groups on both sides said the conservatives would win. (31:11) Yes.Yes. I apologize. (31:13) And I apologize if I miss.(31:15) That’s all me, dude. No. (31:16) So the polls show that even though they said they were voting one way, (31:19) they were actually voting the other way, but too embarrassed to admit it.(31:23) Yes. And that’s where the focus group pulled that out. (31:24) Now, does that remind you of 2016? (31:28) A certain female was supposed to win like ninety two percent.(31:36) Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I mean, I forgot who’s running. (31:42) Well, this guy.(31:43) I remember. I remember the huge. (31:45) But I’m huge.I got problems. (31:48) But I think that thing’s been on me way too long, bro. (31:52) Yeah.Put it on you for a second. (31:53) Yeah. Put on us.Put on your pullover. (31:56) But we got fresh air in here. It kind of feels nice.(31:57) I like the fresh air. (31:59) I’ll have a cold tonight, but that’s OK. (32:00) But it’s good.Fresh air is good. (32:04) But yeah, so it reminded me very much of that. (32:07) People were saying this other person and then the other person actually won.(32:12) That’s a very good point. (32:13) And that did not cross my mind. (32:14) So anyway.(32:16) So Gould eventually left Britain to go to the Clinton campaign in 92. (32:21) Yes, sir. So where we’re at now is Clinton (32:24) Taylor policies to match what people wanted.(32:28) Reactive politics. (32:29) And you’re like, so today they want chocolate, not vanilla. (32:34) So he’s like, I’m all for it.(32:37) I like to say that I like chocolate. (32:39) I like chocolates greatest. (32:41) I did not have sex relations with that chocolate.(32:44) Oh, and the next thing you know, like next week, they’re like strawberry. (32:47) Can I get a Neapolitan, bro? (32:48) Yeah, I was just going to go with that, bro. (32:50) Stop it.Yeah, but God, that’s all. (32:52) I just like Neapolitans. (32:54) Can I get an ice cream sandwich up in here? (32:56) So they use these focus groups and they just tailored their policies (32:59) to mirror these people and intend to be the swing voters, right? (33:03) Only the swing voters tend to be the suburban people because suburbanites (33:07) can be a little they can be both conservative and liberal, (33:10) depending on from where they came and (33:14) many reasons.(33:14) Yeah. Generally, the metropolitan areas are more liberal. (33:17) Yeah.Generally, the rural areas are more conservative. (33:19) Yeah. And so it’s urban is more liberal.(33:22) Rural is more conservative. (33:23) The suburb is kind of like this split, weird kind of hybrid kind of place (33:27) from the transition from urban to rural. Yeah, I get it.(33:30) It has a lot of people who work in the city, (33:32) but it also has some people who work outside of the city as well. (33:35) So, yeah, you know, so it has this very big mix. (33:38) And those are always the swing voters in all cases.(33:40) OK, I guess I never really thought about that. (33:42) But it sounds logical because of their mentality, right? Sure. (33:46) So what they did was they said they were Clinton was elected.(33:49) OK, when you say they, what are you talking about? (33:51) I don’t remember. (33:53) So are you talking about the focus groups put on by the 1992 Clinton campaign? (33:57) Yes. OK, so.(34:01) Well, let’s start with Bush one, because he said no new taxes. (34:04) Remember the whole new new taxes? Yeah, it’s an America song. (34:06) They didn’t bring that up.(34:07) They didn’t bring that up in the in the thing. Read my lips. (34:10) Right.He said that. (34:11) But then he had to. (34:12) Yeah.And Clinton came in because they people wanted tax cuts. (34:16) So they go, he said, I’m cutting taxes and we’re going to increase welfare. (34:20) And the way they were going to do that or welfare welfare programs (34:23) and how they were going to do that was they were going to cut the military budget (34:26) defense spending.Right. And they’ll be fine. (34:28) They thought that was enough.(34:29) But then when he got elected. Yes. (34:32) What happened? Do you remember what happened? (34:33) Yes.There was a 300 billion dollar deficit. (34:37) So defense spending cuts were not sufficient. (34:41) And he had to cut welfare and some and something else.(34:45) And military. He had to cut the military and welfare. (34:47) OK.Which is the one that you wanted to keep as a welfare. (34:50) Right. Yeah.But cut taxes. (34:52) You wanted to do health care reform. Right.(34:53) Is that was that also correct? (34:55) Yeah. Health care was part of that. (34:56) That was like super pre-Obama care.(34:58) Yeah. Well, Hillary would have done it, too. (35:00) And that.Oh, yeah. Right. (35:01) And that was she was going to continue that.Right. (35:03) It was it was really they they were the initiators. (35:05) It’s my opinion.Well, the Democratic Party of the early 90s to mid 90s (35:10) were the initiators of the universal health care start. (35:12) Yes. Like the real push.Yeah. (35:14) Yeah. Which is fine.That’s that’s their philosophy. (35:17) Yeah. It’s just history.Yeah. Good for them. (35:20) So the budget was too big to cut taxes.(35:22) They went on the platform of cutting taxes, (35:23) but then they had to eventually raise them. Right. (35:25) So the voters that switched to Clinton in 92.(35:28) They turned on him in two years. (35:31) I mean, two years. Thank you.(35:34) In a mere two years, they turned and Republicans won both the House (35:38) and Congress and Senate or Congress and the Senate, (35:42) the House, both houses of Congress in a landslide. (35:45) Yeah. And that’s where Gingrich really came to prominence, whatever.(35:47) Number four. And they they did. (35:50) They were they had a lot of power at that point.(35:52) So Clinton couldn’t get anything done. Right. (35:54) Because he had he had zero.Right. (35:57) Anyway, so that’s where we are in there, because they they felt that Clinton (36:01) like they feel Clinton lied to him, but he basically told him what they wanted. (36:06) He just told him what they want to do.(36:08) He just didn’t realize that reality wasn’t going to match what they wanted. (36:12) Right. He thought he could make that happen, but it just wasn’t possible.(36:15) So how it works. Do you think that (36:21) regardless, let’s just take a step back for a second. (36:24) So this guy gets elected or a woman gets elected (36:27) and there’s a 300 billion dollar deficit.(36:32) Do you think that that’s something you should know? (36:34) Like, hey, you might get elected. (36:39) Here’s some shit you should know about. (36:45) Aliens.We don’t have any money. (36:48) Other stuff. Do you know what I’m saying? (36:52) Excellent point.I mean, not I mean, because I know you and I have talked about (36:56) the let’s say, OK, hey, inauguration day. (36:59) Congratulations, Jimmy Smith, President Smith. (37:01) Woo.Then he has a bourbon and then he and then he goes to sleep (37:06) and the next day he has a meeting and you say they give him the book of the aliens. (37:10) Do you think maybe. (37:13) Pre inauguration, a new president (37:17) should know if you’re fucked ahead of time.(37:22) Hammer it off. (37:25) It’s my opinion that they didn’t they weren’t clear about it, (37:29) but I would guess that that deficit, that budget deficit came out (37:33) after he had already won, like after he was in office or they, (37:36) you know, if they run the numbers of the fiscal year, you’re behind a year (37:39) because you have to kind of calculate it all. (37:41) Right.When the report came out, that’s when they were like, oh, fuck. (37:44) I don’t think they had they were privy to that knowledge. (37:46) No, I don’t think that’s not the question.(37:48) We just said, you know, they need to owe money. (37:50) You think that? No, because they care about getting elected. (37:53) Right.Like, I’m sorry. I hate to say that, but (37:56) they needed they were going to say what they (37:59) they took the role of mirroring what people wanted, (38:03) not what was possible, in my opinion. (38:05) And it was for one reason to get just to get the White House power.(38:10) Yeah. Well, to to to be the president. (38:12) Right.It makes sense. (38:15) So ninety six comes around two years after ninety four. (38:17) Republicans turn the house or turn turn Congress, turn the Senate.(38:22) And they turn to this Dick Morris guy. (38:27) Dick Morris, this guy’s a piece of work. (38:28) Ha ha ha.I was singing Dick Jones from a. (38:35) Robocop, Dick Jones, it was Dick Jones. (38:38) Never mind, you don’t get it. (38:39) Good.I don’t get it. (38:40) I watch I watch Robocop freeze dirt bag. (38:47) Robo Pope.So once again, in ninety six, Clinton’s like, (38:52) we’re fucked, right, because he saw it like that. (38:55) Ninety four just kicked him squarely in the balls. (38:57) So he couldn’t do anything when Dick Morris was interviewed.(39:02) And he was asked, why did Clinton hire you? (39:08) What was his response? (39:09) To win? No. Get elected. (39:12) No.Save his butt. (39:15) Oh, yeah, that’s right. That was what he’s.(39:17) No, follow. That’s what he said. (39:18) He said he’d save his butt because he was he the as you stated in ninety four, (39:24) the Republicans landslided.(39:27) That’s not a verb, but it’s it’s now it’s amazing. (39:32) Landslid into home plate in both houses. (39:35) So Clinton, there’s no way he’s going to win in ninety six (39:37) without some crazy tactics to get shit done.(39:41) So he was like you said, he was in serious trouble. (39:45) There was no way you’re going to win without doing something drastic. (39:48) And because of that, Clinton had to figure out the desires of the voters (39:52) and appeal to them.(39:53) Basically, once again, he had to appeal, tell one, say what they wanted. (39:58) He had to mirror. He had to be what everyone wanted.(40:00) That’s how that’s how they felt the new way was going. (40:03) Right. Because everyone’s like, what about me? (40:05) It just became very it’s a century of the self.(40:08) People, they’re yeah, they kind of they’re kind of pointing a certain direction. (40:11) Anyway, so they brought lifestyle market. (40:13) Sorry.Instead of treating voters as targets, they would be treated as owners (40:17) instead of being treated as like just numbers. (40:19) They were actually going to be treated as like, you know, each vote matters, right? (40:23) Like that’s how the kind of small ball politics was. (40:26) Yeah.Word. Right. (40:27) That a focus on the details.(40:30) So they brought lifestyle marketing to politics for the first time (40:33) and they focus on the swing voter and segmented them into different lifestyle (40:37) types, just like just like focus groups with businesses. (40:40) Yeah. Done for all this.Right. (40:42) Yes. But they mentioned that they did that in previous episodes (40:45) where they would segment people based upon.(40:48) But never political shopping habits. Right. (40:50) Or their the way that they would spend their money or do different things.(40:54) But now it’s been shifted into a political platform. (40:57) Right. Went from how you do things.(41:00) Yes. It went from consumerism. (41:01) Yeah.To now voterism or on how you cast your vote. (41:05) Absolutely. So in ninety in ninety six, they did the V chips school uniforms.(41:11) They had these real little they just did these little things. Right. (41:15) And what’s funny is how who points to the Republicans? (41:18) Let’s just take a step back.OK. (41:20) What’s a V chip? (41:22) V chip was like a parental (41:24) piece that you could put in your on your TV so kids can watch explicit content. (41:28) And you have that now on all your streaming devices like adult content.(41:32) No. So it has cursing or nudity or whatever. (41:34) And you can OK, you can kind of choose what.(41:37) But that was a new thing. (41:39) But that was what that was a big push. (41:41) Because they thought the kids were being because videos were increasing.(41:45) Right. TV was what people were watching more and more TV. (41:48) Computers.They were on computers more. (41:50) So they had to be very careful about the kids. (41:52) And that’s a true statement that that’s not.(41:54) Oh, no. Yeah, I just I imagine that there’s some people that don’t know what a V chip is. (41:58) Yes.And what you know, when I was prepping for today, I I’m like, oh, yeah, (42:02) I forgot about the chips. (42:04) So it’s like, oh, yeah, I remember that was the thing. (42:07) Yeah.The funny thing is, it’s such a thing now. (42:09) We don’t you and I haven’t an adult content allowed because we don’t have children (42:12) even near the house. But if I have Hulu or HBO or whatever, I would turn off (42:18) turn on parental.Yes, for sure. (42:20) Yeah. Use those.Oh, yeah. Yeah. (42:22) I love that the options there.Right. (42:23) So, of course. And that was the thing is like they kind of made these things in there.(42:26) And what’s really funny about it to me is I remember (42:31) what you always heard was how the conservatives (42:34) don’t want you listening to filth and dirtiness. (42:37) Tipper motherfucking Gore did the plan of advisory. (42:41) Clinton’s did the V chip like, hello.(42:43) I’m just sorry. But that’s just truth. (42:46) Right.Is that not history? (42:49) Yes. OK, that’s all about that part. Right.(42:52) So they played small politics. (42:54) I just once again, you and you and I don’t have an affiliation with anyone. (42:58) We are a shotgun splatter on the (43:02) on the philosophical in the philosophical spectrum, are we not? (43:05) Yes.OK, so this is what (43:09) I’m going to say all this to you and then I’m just going to need your reaction. (43:12) So they had Robert Reich was one of Clinton’s people (43:16) and he was the one with the guy with the beard. OK.(43:19) And he and Dick Morris have a conversation. Yeah. OK.(43:22) And he goes, why are we focusing on these minute things? (43:26) Robert Reich’s like, why are we focusing on on these minute things? (43:29) And Dick Morris says, if we don’t, we might not get reelected. (43:35) Robert Reich responds with, what’s the point of getting reelected (43:38) if we don’t have a mandate to do anything once we’re reelected? (43:42) Dick Morris, what’s the point of having a mandate if you can’t get reelected? (43:47) Isn’t the ultimate goal getting reelected and go? (43:56) Obviously, they’re both right. (43:59) I’m not I have no political aspirations at all.(44:03) I have no desire to have control or power over anyone. (44:07) So I understand. (44:10) I don’t agree with it, but I understand what they’re both saying.(44:16) I get it. You can’t. (44:19) You if you if you if I step back and I look at it from a purely (44:26) wholesome and good perspective, let’s say someone has no selfish motives (44:33) and they truly want to do good for their fellow Americans, (44:37) their fellow human beings.(44:39) You can’t do good from that perspective unless you get elected. (44:45) So I but obviously to get to that level, (44:49) you probably didn’t you probably did some shit that was shady. (44:52) Let’s be honest.(44:54) So I don’t it’s horrible that that’s the mentality, (44:59) because that’s just you know, that’s the way it’s always been. (45:03) And I’m sure it’s never going to change. (45:06) Is that.Well, I’m trying to let you complete your thought, (45:11) because I don’t want to really. (45:14) Are you sitting on your hands, bro? (45:15) They’re just in my pockets. (45:17) OK, pocket does pocket does.(45:20) Yes, but I took it from a different angle. (45:21) I just looked at it like. (45:23) I don’t think people just say what they want to hear, get elected back in the day.(45:27) I truly believe they came in with this is my plan. (45:30) If you agree with the direction, I think we should go. (45:32) Then you vote for me.(45:33) Do you remember? (45:34) Remember when we were a needs base and not a one space? (45:38) We we didn’t live in that. (45:40) However, I need a new car, right? (45:42) Back then it was like this is pragmatically a good direction (45:46) for the country to take. (45:47) We want to help with the welfare system or we want to help with business (45:50) or we want to help with X, Y, Z infrastructure and the other education.(45:55) If you agree with us, then you vote for us. (45:58) That’s how it I I recall it being. (46:01) Well, actually, I probably don’t because we came in with Reagan.(46:04) Yeah, so we probably didn’t. (46:05) No, it was way, way, way. (46:07) That was that was like pre World War two.(46:10) Yeah, for sure. (46:11) Even I would think even World War two, because that was a mass produce. (46:13) That’s when this really started.(46:14) Yeah. So this was in the 50s when it changed. (46:16) But the 20.Yeah, the 20. (46:18) Because it had nothing. It really was.(46:20) I I am this this is my quote unquote platform. (46:23) Right. Well, they always talk about platform.(46:24) Right. I want education for everyone. (46:27) I want safe streets and I want, you know, food on on everyone’s table or whatever.(46:32) Right. Right. If you agree with my things, you vote for me.(46:35) You don’t go, oh, this week I like chocolate ice cream. (46:37) Next week I like strawberry. (46:39) OK, I’ll just change to fit what you want just to get reelected.(46:43) Yeah. You don’t you no longer even have a (46:47) foundation on which you can build you (46:49) the direction you want your civilization to go, in my opinion. (46:53) Yes.Yeah. And that obviously leads to your point. (46:56) Right.Which is next about the UK. (46:59) Yeah. Is that so? (47:00) Well, Morris’s strategy started working.Right. (47:02) And then this guy, Mark Penn, came up, which is really interesting. (47:06) He had a call center in Denver.Right. Yeah. (47:08) And they were calling swing voters all night.(47:10) How many? Look where we’re at now. (47:13) Like, let me finish this statement and then I’ll get your reaction. (47:16) Where are we at now with that? Right.(47:17) Mark Penn called, called in Denver, called swing voters, asked them what they wanted. (47:22) That’s all I did. Hey, we’re interested in what you as an individual wants.(47:26) Where are we now with these fucking things, with the with being called or messaged (47:31) or communicate? How are we being communicated with now on a constant basis during this, (47:35) for example, this election, this cycle cycle? (47:38) Yeah. Yeah. Now it’s all texting.(47:40) How many did you get? Oh, at least one a day. (47:46) I got up to five a day. Yeah.Yeah. (47:48) So I would say four is the most I got in a day, but it was. (47:52) One a day for, I don’t know, two months, I don’t know.(47:59) To the point where I don’t want to even look at my phone. (48:01) Does that answer your question? Did you get a variety of them? (48:04) Did I get a variety of them? (48:06) Did you get a variety of different kinds? (48:08) Like, let me use an example for me. (48:11) One was Mark Kelly’s trying to take your guns.(48:13) Oh, yeah. So it had an agenda on it. (48:15) But then I’ve gotten other ones that said, what’s your likelihood of voting for Mark (48:20) Kelly on a scale one to five or voting for Trump or Biden on a scale of one to five? (48:25) Did you get any of those? Yeah, of course.(48:27) So one was just more like a barrage advertisement thing. (48:31) Well, like the first one you mentioned was a scare tactic. (48:33) Yeah.And the second one was the second one was more of a focus group. (48:37) Yes, correct. It was a polling.(48:39) You were being pulled. It was like a poll. (48:40) Right.Yes. But it was prior. (48:42) So I guess you can call polling whatever.(48:44) But well, the focus, it was kind of a weird focus, the group poli kind of thing. (48:49) Just asking one to five and like, I don’t know how many people actually respond to (48:53) those. But Rogan does say best when he goes, the people that respond to those polls, (48:59) just think about the people who respond to polls and what they’re going to say.(49:03) It’s like, you know, I don’t think it did it used to be like that, though. (49:07) No, no. That’s what I’m saying.(49:08) These calls. When did polling take a shit? (49:13) Because, well, I feel like everything was always exit polls and maybe entrance polls, (49:17) right, or what they had polls like on the day of. (49:19) And then it’s just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.(49:21) Right. So now it’s months ahead. (49:23) Now it’s years and years.(49:24) Yeah. In this case, it seems like this calling thing, though, started us getting (49:30) bombarded with fucking texts at midnight. (49:32) It’s this is I mean, back in the day, the only medium they had was the phone.(49:36) Right. Or door to door. (49:38) Right.Voice or door to door. (49:40) Right. You’re knocking on doors or whatever.(49:41) And I’m like, you know what? (49:43) Knock on my door. (49:44) Look at me eye to eye and tell me what you ask me. (49:47) I will be much more happy to speak with you face to face.(49:50) Really? Because you and I feel that I think you and I feel that way. (49:52) Because we feel like, well, you’re bothered by a fucking text and it’s easy to tell (49:57) him to fuck off on a text than it is face to face. (50:00) I don’t want don’t know.(50:03) Both go away. (50:04) I don’t want you to knock on my door either. (50:06) Yeah, but you can you know, you can appreciate the hustle, though, right? (50:10) No, no, I just totally just leave me alone.(50:15) I love you, man, but I’m on the Twits and people ask for podcast recommendations. (50:20) Right. That’s different.(50:21) I know, but it’s so many knocking on my door. (50:23) Yes, I know. But in that time when I agree, I to your point, yes, but it’s way better (50:28) than getting a fucking midnight text.(50:30) Unless they knock on your door at midnight. (50:32) Well, suck. Then someone’s dying.(50:36) I mean, maybe not. (50:37) I could be wrong. Back to you.(50:41) I understand. Yes. (50:46) Well, I’m saying is like at least you can you can understand the the the work they’re (50:52) putting in the effort.Yes. (50:54) I understand the hustle. (50:55) I get that point.(50:56) A broad text. I just don’t want to be bothered at all. (50:58) No, I’d leave me the fuck alone.(51:00) That’s my point. (51:00) And we’re allowed to do that. (51:02) And what’s awesome is that probably when it was door to door.(51:04) Well, no, it’s this fucking text stop thing. (51:06) Like once again, don’t tell me to fucking text. (51:09) But my question regarding that is, is it is that even effective? (51:14) If you text stop, they know that.(51:19) It’s a valid number, right? (51:20) And they know that you reply and they could sell that number to whoever they want. (51:24) And I know I sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist with that statement. (51:27) Well, it’s an untrue statement in the general business world.(51:30) When you I’ve stopped, you know, it says unsubscribe. (51:34) Yeah, I stopped unsubscribing because what they’ll do is they will take that list. (51:39) Your terms and conditions of unsubscribing is that they can sell that to whoever they (51:43) want.Really? And it just trickles down and everyone pays point zero zero one cent per (51:47) per name point zero zero zero zero one cent per name. (51:50) And it’s just a volume game, right? (51:52) And that’s how these people monetize. (51:54) So you’re unsubscribing to that one, but you’re going to get ten more from others (51:57) because the terms and conditions of you unsubscribing subscribes you to ten other (52:02) places.For real. That’s what I’ve seen before. (52:04) I mean, my when I started unsubscribing stuff, my my inbox blew up with a gazillion (52:09) more of these unsolicited things.(52:11) I’ve seen that as well. (52:14) And I thought that as well, but I don’t know if that’s really true. (52:19) I’m not going to say it’s fact.(52:20) I’m going to say that’s my experience. (52:22) That’s also my experience. (52:24) Since I’ve stopped unsubscribing, it’s like leveled off.(52:28) That’s just what I’ve seen anyway. (52:31) So they came with. (52:33) So when we when we back to the UK, the UK looked at the US and went, holy shit, that’s (52:38) how to do it.Right. (52:39) Labor Party looked at Clinton. (52:40) And this was that this was after the 96th election.(52:43) Right. So 96 Clinton does win. (52:46) I don’t know.I don’t know if it’s ego. (52:47) Like, let’s be honest, Bob Dole was not exactly a move the needle candidate for the (52:52) Republicans. Yeah, that’s just the truth.(52:54) I mean, that’s history, too. (52:56) I was a good guy, but or whatever. (52:58) But he wasn’t engaging in any way.(53:00) Elizabeth, his wife, was way more engaging as she you know, she’s the dole light. (53:05) You know, the third light on on the back of cars. (53:07) She was the secretary of transportation when that went into effect.(53:10) She’s the one who initiated that. (53:11) Oh, no, I didn’t know that. (53:12) Yeah.The safety light that’s called a dole light. (53:14) I didn’t know that. Yeah.(53:15) It’s from Elizabeth Dole. (53:18) America, OK, go ahead. (53:19) No, I was just saying that’s another tidbit factoid.(53:25) OK, go us stop. (53:28) No, stop us. Yes, correct.(53:32) Go stoplights. So they came to this welfare to work program. (53:35) They had the hand up, not the hand out.(53:37) And this was in the US. (53:38) It was in the US, the hand up, not the hand out. (53:40) And that was like one of these things.(53:41) And then what they found, the Labor Party copied almost verbatim from the Clinton (53:46) campaign. Yes, they were. (53:48) Tell me how they felt, how they how did they feel about being copied? (53:51) Do you remember that? Yeah.(53:52) I mean, they they they were it was a double edged sword. (53:56) Right. They were they were they felt.(53:59) I don’t know, it was not honored, but like complimented like, wow, they (54:03) they thought enough of of our ideas to to use them, (54:08) then he goes, son of a bitch, they took our ideas. (54:11) So it was it was this weird in the same sentence (54:14) that the guy that was being interviewed was like, wow, that’s really cool. (54:17) Oh, fuck.So that was very interesting that his response. (54:21) That’s exactly how I felt about it. (54:22) And I always took that akin to like music lyrics or like a comedian joke is like, (54:26) oh, yeah, you’re oh, wow, you honored it, but you also stole it.(54:30) Yeah, it’s like a double edged sword. (54:32) Like, yeah, when you’re a content creator, like a comedian, though, that’s your (54:35) that’s your intellectual property. (54:36) Yeah, I agree.For sure. (54:38) But it is flattering when someone kind of make takes your ideas and it can like (54:43) almost like that. So to your point, it was double edged, flatter it and flattery.(54:47) There you go. Yeah. Flattered.(54:49) They were they felt, you know, they were honored in a weird way. (54:52) They’re like, oh, that’s cool that they they kind of took our ideas. (54:55) But then they’re like, they took our ideas.(54:57) Hey, so suburban voters were vital. (55:01) Right. With Tony Blair and they they I’m sorry.(55:06) Then we’ll say the left. (55:07) But let’s say let’s say liberal, whatever the Labor Party, (55:10) they then pandered to business in a way. (55:12) The Labor Party that fought against big business now was becoming a slave to it is how (55:16) they were doing, because they’re using the techniques of big business.(55:21) Instead of dollars, votes. (55:24) Yes. Right.OK. (55:26) Yeah, I know. Yeah, I didn’t know where you’re going with that point, but yeah.(55:29) OK, now I know what you’re talking about. (55:31) Yeah. And it’s the same thing.(55:32) It’s like, OK, it’s kind of like a stock price, you know. (55:35) Oh, hey, the stock went up a dollar. (55:36) Oh, hey, we got a thousand more votes.(55:38) It’s the same tactic. (55:40) Oh, our polls just lost a thousand votes. (55:41) Right.So it’s the same. (55:43) There’s the it’s the same type of mechanism. (55:45) Yeah.And and it’s much quicker because business is very reactionary. (55:48) I mean, if you don’t react or change quickly, you die. (55:51) Businesses die.Look at steel in the 70s for the IBM. (55:54) Look at. Yeah.Cars here. (55:55) Cars in the 70s were struggling. (55:57) Studebaker.They brought the little car. (55:59) The Japan brought over little cars. (56:00) Yeah.So there’s always change in business. (56:03) But like in politics, it does create a problem because (56:09) where let’s see, where are we at here? (56:12) They. OK, well, before we continue that part.(56:16) Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead.(56:17) In business, it’s more adapt or die. (56:20) Right. Politics, it’s less like that.(56:23) It was. It was less like that. (56:26) But I don’t I mean, I’m (56:29) I’m curious where the future goes, I guess, because obviously this is (56:33) in the late 1990s is where this is specifically talking about.(56:37) But, you know, with the younger generations, (56:41) I’m curious where is there any kind of political reform coming? (56:46) Is there what comes down the. (56:49) Comes down the pike regarding this specifically. (56:52) It’s a great question.I don’t know. (56:54) I’m just thinking, you know. (56:56) Please keep that put a pin in that because we will discuss that.(56:59) I’ve only got about a half a page left of notes. (57:02) Come on. Shut the hell out.(57:03) We’re crushing through this half a page. Who are you? (57:05) We’re doing well. (57:05) I, I was very I didn’t know the direction was going to go (57:09) before I started watching it.(57:10) So I but I was committed to taking notes regardless. (57:12) We should be committed. (57:13) I knew always.(57:15) It’s its own argument. (57:17) But then they reflected back once again to the 1939 World’s Fair. (57:20) Right.Democracy. (57:22) All people’s were desires were fulfilled by business. (57:26) It was all propaganda.(57:27) It was all backed by companies to sell products. (57:29) That’s why that was in 1939. (57:31) But that’s what kind of started this whole trend.Right. (57:35) Bernays did not believe I’m going to I’ll read this part (57:37) because I took this almost verbatim. (57:39) And then I’d love to see your reaction, not just (57:41) or whatever.I want to like hear your reaction. (57:44) OK, Edward Bernays, the nephew of of Dr. Freud. (57:49) Did you see him on Letterman? (57:51) Did you say a little? Yes, that was hilarious.(57:52) He was like, I know that if you call me doctor, it gives me more credibility. (57:56) So I thought and I’m like, you motherfucker. (57:59) He nailed it.He nailed it right there. (58:01) He just he’s incredibly intelligent. (58:02) Yeah, he fuck.(58:04) And but he thought so little of human humanity from his uncle. (58:08) So Bernays did not believe that true democracy could work (58:12) influence strongly by Freud, that influence were I’m sorry, (58:15) individuals were not driven by rational thought by by primitive, (58:20) unconscious desires and feelings. (58:22) Bernays thought it was too dangerous to let the masses (58:26) ever have control over their own minds.(58:30) And go, what? What’s your question? (58:36) What do you feel about the now? (58:38) Remember, he’s influenced all of the direction we’ve gone with this. (58:42) And that’s his base core foundation belief (58:46) that it was too dangerous to let the masses. (58:49) Guess who the masses are? Us.(58:51) OK, ever have control over their own minds. (58:56) Not others, but their own. (58:58) So he did it for them.(59:02) Well, first of all, fuck that guy. (59:06) The theory kind of sounds sound. (59:08) Well, I don’t appreciate being manipulated.(59:14) And I can see his point, because. (59:18) You know, if you this is a horrible statement, (59:20) if you look at the spectrum of humans. (59:25) Half are above average intelligence and half are below average intelligence.(59:29) So for the people that are below average intelligence, (59:33) do you need to steer them in the right direction (59:38) so that society? (59:41) Maintain some sense of order. (59:44) I don’t know. (59:46) I’m thank God I’m not responsible for that shit.(59:49) I don’t want that job. (59:51) Do you see do you understand my point? (59:54) I do. I mean, the Carlin bit of take the average intelligence (59:58) of the people, you know, and think half of them are dumber than that.(1:00:02) Like to your point, though, even the average intelligence. (1:00:07) Like, remember, it’s not even intelligence per se. (1:00:11) You and I perceive the world differently, but it’s not even intelligence.(1:00:13) It’s a perception. It’s intuitive almost with us. (1:00:16) Right.In a weird way. (1:00:18) They are influencing the desires and the emotions. (1:00:22) They’re not even doing it.(1:00:23) They’re doing it without the knowledge. (1:00:24) They understand it’s unconscious. Yeah.Right. (1:00:27) So until you really pull back that veil, you’re being manipulated (1:00:30) because you don’t know, even understand you are (1:00:33) because they’re playing with your feelings or not playing with your mind. (1:00:36) Right.You’re not even thinking about these things. (1:00:37) You just feel them. (1:00:38) Well, you know.Yeah. (1:00:41) But I think it’s also the the manipulation of. (1:00:46) Of humans to get them to do and to buy.(1:00:53) What he wanted. (1:00:56) So, you know, when the governments that he worked for (1:00:59) and the companies that he worked for wanted certain things, (1:01:03) he would be the puppet master. Yeah.(1:01:06) And he would, oh, hey, I’m going to get them to buy a Buick (1:01:09) by doing this, this and this and this. (1:01:11) But but what’s funny is Bernays. (1:01:13) Didn’t necessarily do as much to sell as he meant to control.(1:01:17) So yes, the next statement here, consumerism was a way of giving people (1:01:21) the illusion of control (1:01:24) while allowing a responsible elite to continue managing society. (1:01:29) And is that statement still true today? (1:01:35) We can we put a pin in that one as well? (1:01:38) How many? I don’t have enough pins, bro. (1:01:39) There’s like three lines left.OK, fuck off. Go. (1:01:42) So, OK, so the people’s desire.(1:01:44) OK, the people’s desires in charge. (1:01:46) Democracy reduced from something that requires an active citizenry. (1:01:50) That’s kind of how you and I perceive democracy.(1:01:52) An active citizenry, like courtesy, you know, work hard, (1:01:58) contribute as much as we can, do what we can to help. (1:02:00) Right. Ask not what your country can do for you kind of thing.Right. (1:02:04) Yeah, that’s kind of what we are. Right.(1:02:05) We’re we’re going to ask what we can do for our country. (1:02:07) And in a weird way, we love the military. (1:02:09) We respect police.(1:02:10) We respect, you know, firefighters, first responders. (1:02:13) Of course, during this time of the hardest workers there are, man. (1:02:17) Thank you to all of the health workers.(1:02:20) Like for real, like we don’t have that skill. (1:02:23) We have I have no idea. (1:02:25) I can’t even put a bandaid on a cut.(1:02:27) So but anyway, it you know, they changed democracy. (1:02:32) They reduced it from something required active citizenry to something (1:02:34) which is predicated on pub on public as passive consumers. (1:02:39) What you’re delivering them are doggy treats.(1:02:42) You remember that statement about the doggy treats at the end? (1:02:45) No. So it was right. It was towards the end.(1:02:47) He said the people’s desire. He said democracy is reduced. (1:02:49) It’s like doggy.You’re just basically like cuddling them just minute by minute. (1:02:54) Not as a big fool as a big idea to go somewhere. (1:02:57) You’re basically just calling them with just kind of throwing them treats.(1:03:01) And is that a doggy treat like, oh, I bought a new Honda today. (1:03:05) So that’s a doggy treat. (1:03:06) I think the dog treat I got.(1:03:08) Is it a material possession? (1:03:10) It could be material. It could be even political. (1:03:12) Like, I agree with you.Oh, like. (1:03:15) Not saying that, like, or is it a vote? (1:03:18) I agree with you, like on a certain agenda or a certain phrase or something we can say, (1:03:23) you know, like a movement or something like, oh, you like strawberry. (1:03:27) I’m fuck strawberry.Fuck yeah. (1:03:28) Sour apple. Fuck yeah.(1:03:30) Sour apple’s the best. Right. (1:03:31) That’s basically what they’re saying is they’re basically we’re we’re (1:03:35) I’m saying that I agree with your individual desire, but I’m saying that to every individual.(1:03:39) And that’s kind of dangerous, in my opinion. (1:03:42) To be a to be a government, it’s it’s dangerous. (1:03:45) And since politics is in government, that makes it all dangerous.(1:03:48) Yeah. Right. (1:03:50) So the new labor believed the propaganda.(1:03:52) They believed in big business. (1:03:53) Now, continuous democracy followed the will of the people was. (1:03:58) So I’m going to read this one.(1:04:01) I’ll read this little blurb once again. (1:04:04) And I’d love to hear your reaction on this. (1:04:06) It was called continuous democracy followed the will of the people was contradictory.(1:04:10) So there was an example about the rail system. (1:04:13) Yeah, people said, you’re spending too much money on the rails. (1:04:16) Why are you why are you paying money on the ground, bro? (1:04:18) I want to fly now.(1:04:19) But they’re saying they shot on on the public transportation or the rail system. (1:04:23) Yeah. So they’re like, yeah, we we do.(1:04:24) We they defund or reduced funding. (1:04:27) It atrophied. (1:04:29) And then they’re like, why the fuck aren’t you investing in this shit earlier? (1:04:32) Like so the people change their mind because of how they felt about it.(1:04:35) So you’re basically chasing feelings instead of a logical path to something. (1:04:39) Yes. It’s not one to two to three.(1:04:40) It’s how our conversations are. (1:04:42) Yes. Oh, fuck.(1:04:44) Oh, my God. We’re the British government. (1:04:46) Government has become tangents.(1:04:48) Oh, fuck. Yeah, we’re going to call it tangents now. (1:04:51) It’s no longer a tangential government.(1:04:52) The the executive tangent, the judicial tangent and the legislative (1:04:56) naval salute tangent. Yes. (1:04:58) So so there’s a real thing, right? (1:05:01) And then they blame the government for not funding it enough.(1:05:02) Basically, in the rail system, focus group politics are contradictory, (1:05:08) irrational and make it hard to decide what you’re going to do (1:05:11) if all you do is listen to massive individual opinions. (1:05:16) That are forever fluctuating, have no coherence (1:05:20) and crucially not set in context. (1:05:23) So the example was I want lower taxes (1:05:27) and better public services.Right. (1:05:29) Well, yeah. No shit.(1:05:31) Who doesn’t want everyone wants that shit? (1:05:34) Who doesn’t want to spend less and get more? (1:05:36) No. Like everybody. Right.(1:05:38) And that’s where the that’s where they became contradictory. (1:05:41) Right. So tell me tell me about what your thoughts are on all that.(1:05:43) Yeah, that the rail thing really. (1:05:46) I the fact that when Tony Blair won in whatever year that was, 90 something. (1:05:51) And then they didn’t have a they won because of the focus groups (1:05:55) and they they catered their message and their campaign to those focus groups.(1:06:00) Right. It’s very smart and very intelligent. (1:06:04) Love that.Right. To win the dollar. (1:06:06) To win.To win the election. (1:06:08) That’s what they did. That’s brilliant.Right. (1:06:10) But then you get into office and you have no platform. (1:06:13) You have no direct your directionless.(1:06:15) Then you use more focus groups to help you govern. (1:06:20) Well, I don’t mind using focus groups in government to get the feel of the people. (1:06:25) I kind of equated to the fireside chats with Roosevelt.(1:06:29) And that’s cool to connect to the people to show that the government is there (1:06:33) for you, because technically the government is servants. (1:06:37) Everyone forgets that shit. So.(1:06:41) But specifically the rails, you can’t listen to a telecom engineer. (1:06:47) And go, yeah, I don’t think you should put any money in the rail system. (1:06:50) That’s dumb.But and then then then the rail system falls apart. (1:06:55) You have to listen to that. You get pissed about it.(1:06:57) Yeah, you then I go, that’s why didn’t you put money in rails? (1:07:01) Get this guy out of office. (1:07:02) Would you reduce the money to that shit? (1:07:04) So you defund the rail system? (1:07:06) Yeah, that’s just you have to listen to the. (1:07:09) I’m just saying that sounds very similar to something, right? (1:07:12) You have to listen to the civil engineers and the railway engineers.(1:07:17) They go for experts. Yes. (1:07:19) The people that work on that shit every single day, they go, hey, look, (1:07:23) in X number of months and years, we’re going to have a serious problem.(1:07:27) Here’s the priority list of things you have to fix. (1:07:29) Here’s the if you want to expand the system here, X, Y and Z. (1:07:32) You have to listen to the experts. (1:07:35) Chris Peralta, the telecom engineer, is not a real expert.(1:07:39) Don’t listen to his dumb ass when it comes to real shit. (1:07:42) Right. Hello.(1:07:44) You would think the fucking prime minister of the United Kingdom would know that. (1:07:49) Hammer, I wouldn’t hire a physicist for a for a chemistry problem. (1:07:54) You know what I mean? I’d probably hire a chemist.(1:07:56) Yeah, I fucking think so. (1:07:58) But that was the thing is, yeah, they called you because you’re suburbanite (1:08:01) in from the whole office somewhere. (1:08:03) Gilbert, a Z bitches.(1:08:04) So they’re calling you like, bring, bring. (1:08:06) Hello. It’s Christopher there.(1:08:08) No, I don’t answer my phone, man. (1:08:09) I mean, hello, Christopher. (1:08:12) Jess Jelligood.(1:08:13) What do you feel about the rail system? (1:08:14) I think we should not invest any more money. (1:08:16) OK, done. Bye.(1:08:18) And then and then and then I go, hell no, we want more rails. (1:08:22) And you’re one with them. (1:08:23) One of them picket signs.(1:08:24) I’m a picket fence guy. (1:08:26) Hell no. We need more trains, bitches.(1:08:28) We need more picket fences is what we need. (1:08:29) Yes, I’m I’m all for picket fences. (1:08:32) Oh, yes.I don’t know. (1:08:33) I think actually I like pickets height. (1:08:35) Once again, constitutionalist, you and I write to freedom of expression.(1:08:39) Yes, assembly peaceably assemble. (1:08:41) And I love that. (1:08:42) So the 14 view once again was fostered and encouraged by business (1:08:46) because it produces ideal customers.(1:08:48) The thing that got it was it sold products, right? (1:08:52) So the products are now votes and they use this tactic now to get your vote. (1:08:57) That’s basically what their conclusion, which do you consider that? (1:09:04) What they did, you consider that manipulation? (1:09:07) Well, it’s absolutely manipulation. (1:09:09) It’s my opinion.(1:09:10) I’m I’m a small government person. (1:09:12) That’s my philosophy in general. (1:09:16) I, I have read the Constitution.(1:09:18) I hope are we going to do one on it? (1:09:19) I know we keep talking about doing stuff, but I love to go. (1:09:22) And you don’t write it down. (1:09:23) So that means we’re never going to fucking do it.(1:09:25) I know. So, no, we’re not going to do one. (1:09:27) But we’ve done freedom of speech.(1:09:28) We’ve done freedom of religion. (1:09:30) And we’re very clear about our stances. (1:09:32) We did the Ten Commandments, bro.(1:09:33) Yeah, we did that, too. (1:09:34) But we’re very but we’re very clear about our stance about (1:09:37) regardless of what you and I individually believe in our faith or whatever, (1:09:41) that your personal is protected for it. (1:09:45) Right.We’re constitutionalists. (1:09:46) You and I both are very strong and they like personal individual (1:09:50) because we also do take the accountability. (1:09:52) Well, I, I disagree with that, but that’s not what the conversation is about.(1:09:55) No, tell me. Tell me what you think. (1:09:57) No, I disagree with some of the Constitution.(1:10:00) Oh, OK. Like what? Is there a part? (1:10:02) Just yeah, we don’t want to have this conversation now. (1:10:04) Just pull one of them out.(1:10:05) I just want to hear one and then we’ll move forward. (1:10:06) I’m not going to undress. (1:10:08) I just want I’m curious about the Second Amendment.(1:10:10) Oh, OK. Got it. That one’s a good one.(1:10:13) So back to you, Chuck. (1:10:15) Yeah. So the Freudian view is encouraged by business (1:10:17) because it made them ideal consumers.Right. (1:10:19) But then we’ve now become the slaves, our own desires, because we’re (1:10:23) it’s just it’s it’s a moving. (1:10:25) We keep moving the goalposts.We don’t have. (1:10:28) It’s my opinion that politics should be. (1:10:31) These are my general platforms.(1:10:34) Be nice to people. (1:10:36) I like to be a little more fiscally conservative, (1:10:38) but you’re welcome to do what you want as long as what you do (1:10:40) doesn’t harm anyone else and all these things like very general things. (1:10:45) Now, maybe it does get more drilled down the more people you have to deal with.(1:10:48) It’s hard to scale, right? (1:10:49) Like it’s easier to govern Sweden or something with 10 million or eight (1:10:53) million people, whatever the. Yeah, I got you. (1:10:54) I see your point.(1:10:55) Then it or 30, even 30 million in Canada is one tenth the number (1:10:59) of people in the United States, right? (1:11:02) Yeah, it’s hard to and and it’s hard to be free like we are (1:11:06) because look at the country that’s bigger like China. (1:11:10) I would I would venture a guess you almost need to be (1:11:15) like all that shit in. (1:11:16) Right.You need to reel that shit in because a billion people, (1:11:19) just a small percentage of that can be way is three is three times (1:11:23) more dangerous than ours. (1:11:24) Yeah, or it could be could be right in, especially if it’s in a focused area. (1:11:28) Yeah, I could really do damage.(1:11:30) So it’s really hard. (1:11:31) But we’ve now become the slave of our own desires. (1:11:33) We’ve forgotten that we are more than that, though.(1:11:35) Like that was that’s kind of the one thing about it is this was all our entire (1:11:41) our childhood growth, whatever. (1:11:43) And up to 50 years prior to us was all (1:11:48) clad and molded by this Bernays guy on Freud’s assumption (1:11:53) that all we are evil and we have to suppress it (1:11:57) and our desires and they manipulate us that way. (1:12:00) We are more we we we are more to that.(1:12:03) Are we more like an onion? (1:12:04) Yeah, I absolutely would think so. (1:12:07) But yeah, I agree that in every human there is the capability to be bad, (1:12:12) you know, not just evil, but bad. Right.(1:12:14) So as well as (1:12:17) amazing, you know, and and generous and kind and loving and (1:12:22) and good. (1:12:25) But I don’t I obviously my opinion, (1:12:29) Freud, this specific theory of Freud is absolutely flawed. (1:12:35) Yeah, and but that’s what’s created us.(1:12:39) So now we are his theory because it’s been practiced. (1:12:43) And now now it’s part of our lexicon. (1:12:45) Well, wait, but.(1:12:47) Not Freud’s theory, Bernays is. (1:12:51) Practice of public relations, which, in my opinion, is not public relations, (1:12:56) it’s it’s the use of marketing and advertising as manipulation (1:13:01) of the masses for commercialism and for political gain. (1:13:05) Right.That was my interpretation. (1:13:07) Right. But it was based on Freud’s belief that everyone’s evil (1:13:10) and they have to suppress it and they have to be controlled.(1:13:12) So Bernays took the idea that they need to be controlled (1:13:15) and then massaged it the way he massaged it to keep us in control (1:13:19) through buying products and through this the way he did it. (1:13:22) Would you say he’s used it? (1:13:24) Oh, he’s used that a lot of that. (1:13:27) So you had a couple of questions.(1:13:29) No, you you already you beat me to the punch. (1:13:32) Oh, did you have anything else on that? (1:13:35) Stand by. (1:13:35) Based where we’re at.(1:13:36) Yeah. Please sprinkle in what you fly. (1:13:39) Dick Morris, mother trucker.(1:13:42) The stupidest title in the world. (1:13:46) Yeah, basically, the title had something to do with eight people (1:13:50) sipping wine and catering had a control over what the government, (1:13:52) which is a city in the UK, correct? (1:13:55) OK. Individualism.(1:13:58) You all my notes you already covered, sir. (1:14:00) Focus groups versus the polls. (1:14:03) Clinton in ninety two, ninety four, ninety six.(1:14:07) Tony Blair, Labor Party. (1:14:11) Yeah, man, you already your notes are for once much more thorough than my own. (1:14:16) Yeah, fuck you, man.(1:14:17) I’m very impressed, sir. (1:14:18) On behalf of the Virgo committee, sir, you get two gold stars today. (1:14:24) Sweet.I just wanted one. (1:14:26) But thank you. (1:14:27) One point nineteen gold stars, bro.(1:14:29) Well, I just extrapolated to today now and to this world as we are. (1:14:34) And all these things are very much in play now. (1:14:38) They reared their ugly heads and we see this in.(1:14:43) Everywhere, and I think I feel like it goes faster even with social dilemma, (1:14:46) right, because the idea is to get keep you engaged, right? (1:14:49) And they can manipulate you more the more they keep you engaged. (1:14:52) Well, yeah, we now live in a much more digital world than when this was made in (1:14:56) 2002. Right.(1:14:57) So that 18 years later, everything moves exponentially quicker. (1:15:03) Right. Yeah.From every perspective. (1:15:05) Now you can click on your TV with the remote and you can watch any movie ever (1:15:10) made within 30 seconds. (1:15:12) Yeah.I mean, you might have to pay three ninety nine, but you can still do you (1:15:15) can still do it. And that that one fact alone is mind blowing. (1:15:20) It’s amazing.You know, and think about the greatness that that can do. (1:15:23) But in this case, it can also exponentially spread the subconscious (1:15:28) manipulation of us. Yeah.(1:15:29) And that’s that, you know, yeah, the political side, it is what it is. (1:15:33) To me, the the consumerism is that that does bother me because it material (1:15:39) things don’t make you happy. (1:15:41) You know, the fact that there’s a there’s an emotional attachment to buying (1:15:45) something like, oh, my God, I have a new T-shirt.(1:15:48) Oh, my God, I got to get new shoes. (1:15:49) Oh, my God, I got to get a new purse. (1:15:51) Not me, but just one time.(1:15:52) Why not? Oh, my God, I got to get a new blah, blah, blah. (1:15:55) And I, you know, I was looking at a new car a year ago and then I thought, man, you (1:15:59) don’t need a new car. What is wrong with you? (1:16:01) You know, so but I just but I’m I’m guilty just like everybody else.(1:16:06) Right. But it’s an emotional decision. (1:16:09) That’s and we’re all part of that system that’s been built for, you know, 60 years, (1:16:18) 70 years.(1:16:19) I’m good at math. (1:16:20) It’s certainly hard to unplug from the system that’s all around us. (1:16:25) It’s is it like the I mean, in a weird way, they created the matrix of (1:16:29) consumerism.It’s it’s its own matrix. (1:16:31) And until you break free of that cycle, you’re a slave to it, just like anyone (1:16:35) else. And as am I. (1:16:37) I’m guilty of it, too.I do my best to limit. (1:16:40) I I had I had more emotional issues before and purchasing buying things made me (1:16:45) happy. But I’ve addressed a lot of those.(1:16:48) I’ve like I said, I’m most emotionally happy I’ve been ever. (1:16:52) And I’m not that consumer like I was that tick that you talk about from buying (1:16:56) stuff. Right.But we’re getting that with social elements. (1:16:58) Oh, where’s my next like or it’s kind of the same. (1:17:01) Yeah.Weirdly, that we’re the same thing. (1:17:04) That weird that weird hit in your head. (1:17:06) I don’t mean that weird like, oh, it’s like chocolate when you get when you get a (1:17:10) little heart or like or a thumbs up on the social media.(1:17:13) Yeah, it’s it’s the same thing that purchasing is. (1:17:16) It’s almost like it’s like getting a gift. (1:17:18) A like is like getting a new gift, like a like a I bought a new toy.(1:17:22) I bought a new car. I bought a new this, that and the other. (1:17:24) It’s it’s just because because because.(1:17:27) Purchasing something does this does the same thing as dope, does you buy (1:17:33) something? Yeah. Does it really stop me? (1:17:35) Yeah, it’s the same. It’s the same.(1:17:36) Yeah, I mean, it’s like an instant satisfaction kind of you’ve you’ve you’ve (1:17:40) quelled your desire in that moment, right? (1:17:43) Yeah. For how long? (1:17:44) But that’s not what it is. (1:17:45) It’s about quelling that desire.(1:17:47) And that’s the hit. Right. (1:17:48) Right.We now just do it on a multitude level. (1:17:50) Look, I’m staring at our downloads, bro. (1:17:53) Why? I’m not going to lie, because I love when we we we have a little meeting.(1:17:58) We’re like, hey, how many we get? Oh, cool. (1:17:59) We’re here here. We’re much we’re stoic about it.(1:18:03) We’re not like, oh, my God, we’re fucking rocking or oh, my God, it’s the end of (1:18:06) the world. Like if we don’t get down. (1:18:08) Yeah, we however, we’re very vigilant because we do know that that’s important.(1:18:11) Right. In this, it’s one of the most important metrics of a podcast is that (1:18:15) someone’s listening. Yeah.(1:18:17) Right. So I’m not going to lie. (1:18:19) I’m I’m looking for that.(1:18:21) It doesn’t give me the hit as much because I’m very conscious of it, per se. (1:18:25) But I do understand what one extra listen does. (1:18:29) You know, it’s a good thing.(1:18:30) It’s a positive thing. So it does feel good when we see it. (1:18:33) And look, we’re I’m we’re grateful to everyone who’s given us a listen.(1:18:38) So thank you to that. (1:18:39) But at the same point is like, yeah, we’re also just as much slaves to that dopamine (1:18:44) hit slaves to the grind. (1:18:46) So that’s about it.So four parts, one, two, three and four, I think. (1:18:50) Where did it go? A, J, four and eight or H. (1:18:54) One, two. Z nine.(1:18:58) OK, thank you. Yes, I watch them in that order. (1:19:02) One, two, Z nine.(1:19:05) But it is very interesting. (1:19:07) I mean, I would definitely recommend that it’s only it’s like three and a half hours (1:19:12) for all four parts. So it’s very fascinating how easy, easily manipulated we are.(1:19:18) And it’s scary in that respect. (1:19:20) Yeah. And to close it out, once again, on the tweets, people are asking for (1:19:26) recommendations.I am looking for a YouTube show or wherever I go. (1:19:29) I like documentaries. (1:19:30) And we were in the midst of I think I was in part two.(1:19:32) We finished part two of Century of the Self. (1:19:34) Yeah. I recommended Century of the Self.(1:19:36) And I got a personal message back from that person. (1:19:39) She’s like, thank you so much for recommending it. (1:19:42) That just blew my mind, opened my eyes to the whole like the whole thing.(1:19:47) Yeah. And you and I, that’s all we want to do. (1:19:49) Right.We’re not we we’re we know that system, the the patterns kind of are (1:19:54) blueprints. And we kind of it seems repetitive in some cases, but it’s just with (1:20:00) different we show how they rear their ugly head in different verticals like politics (1:20:06) or how they rear their head in social media, how they rear their head with, you know, (1:20:11) with consumerism or other other things like we talk about law or, you know, the Ten (1:20:16) Commandments. Right.All these things. (1:20:18) We see how system Catholic Church. (1:20:20) Right.We show how systems you how they use the manipulation on you. (1:20:26) Yeah. We’re not telling you to change your mind.(1:20:28) We’re not telling you to change your mind. (1:20:29) But we are here to kind of show people that expose those truths. (1:20:34) That’s all.Agreed. (1:20:35) Yes, sir. Any closing arguments? (1:20:37) Please close it out for us, sir.(1:20:39) Anything you want to say? Yeah. But is there anything left on Century of the Self part? (1:20:42) No. Ket part Ket, because it’s four.(1:20:47) Cuatro. But I believe you have something to say. (1:20:50) I do.Be excellent to each other. (1:20:52) Party on.