A conversation about “Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind” documentary

Chris and Mark discuss the documentary “Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind”, available on Amazon Prime Video.
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(0:05) Broadcasting live from the Treehouse in Phoenix, Arizona. (0:09) It’s Knocked Conscious. (0:10) With Mark Poles and Chris Woodsey-Peralta.(0:14) From the home offices in Gilbert, Arizona. (0:20) Hi. (0:21) Hello.(0:21) Hi. (0:22) Welcome. (0:22) Hi.(0:23) Hi. (0:23) Hello everybody. (0:24) Hola.(0:25) Welcome to the KC. (0:27) The Knocked Conscious. (0:28) And the Sunshine Band.(0:29) Buenvenidos. (0:30) Do a little dance. (0:32) And make a little love.(0:33) Get down tonight, bro. (0:34) And then get down after that. (0:37) Yes, sir.(0:39) I need a hammer. (0:39) Knocked Conscious. (0:40) Yes.(0:41) Serious topic. (0:42) No. (0:42) Oh, I don’t know if it’s serious.(0:44) Because it’s, you know, it’s aliens. (0:45) I don’t know about all the seriousness. (0:47) So what are we talking about today, sir? (0:49) What’s going on? (0:50) How are you? (0:51) How have you been? (0:52) Today is… (0:54) January 6th, bro.(0:55) Wednesday, January 6th. (0:56) Wednesday. (0:57) 2021.(0:59) Yes. (0:59) The roof is refalling. (1:01) It’s not on fire.(1:02) Or whatever. (1:02) It’s not on fire. (1:03) Let the motherfucker burn.(1:06) Get the fuck out of my house. (1:09) Get the… (1:09) You don’t like it? (1:10) Get the fuck out. (1:11) My mom called and said there’s a protest at City Hall.(1:15) You mean the Capitol Building, mom? (1:18) Okay. (1:19) Bless your heart. (1:21) George Washington is getting yelled at right now.(1:23) Why? (1:23) What, mom? (1:24) I don’t understand. (1:25) Why for? (1:27) He’s Knocked Conscious. (1:28) We’re doing a doc-y, doc-y follow-up.(1:31) We’ve got… (1:32) We have some general interests. (1:35) We have a lot of interests that are general. (1:36) Right, we have a lot of them, and they’re general.(1:38) One of them happens to be… (1:39) What’s one of the big ones that we’re going to talk about today, obviously? (1:42) General interest? (1:44) Major asshole? (1:45) Uh… (1:46) What… (1:48) Consciousness? (1:49) Wait, this is a trick question. (1:49) Well, aliens, and the UFOs, and the AEPs, and the AATEPs… (1:54) Apes? (1:58) Unmanned aerial phenomena. (2:01) UAPs.(2:03) Okay. (2:03) UAPs. (2:04) I thought you said APEs.(2:06) Oh, did I? (2:07) I’m dyslexic. (2:08) I think I said… (2:08) My hearing is dyslexic. (2:09) I apologize.(2:10) I’m sure I said APEs. (2:12) Okay. (2:13) And I said, I’ll take that.(2:15) So we’ve been watching some documentaries the last couple months. (2:17) We did The Phenomenon. (2:19) Phenomenon.(2:20) Do we have another UFO-y? (2:24) Uh… (2:25) No. (2:25) What was that in? (2:25) Okay. (2:26) But I feel like we’re going to delve a little bit into that in the next couple months or so.(2:30) Sure. (2:31) Because, you know, we’re not getting any answers on Earth. (2:35) I can tell you that much.(2:38) We’re just from humans. (2:39) Yeah. (2:40) Well, yeah.(2:40) Yeah. (2:41) I’m sure APEs have a lot to teach us. (2:44) And raccoons, like how to dig through trash.(2:46) Right. (2:47) Really efficient. (2:48) Yes.(2:49) And what? (2:50) I was going to say that APEs just throw poop. (2:52) And we don’t want to do that. (2:55) I feel like that’s what we’ve been doing for like… (2:57) Well, it’s figurative.(2:58) Verbal poop. (2:59) It’s figurative poop. (3:00) Not literal poop.(3:02) Some people, yes. (3:03) But not… (3:03) I don’t do that. (3:05) Because that’s sick and wrong and terrible.(3:09) It’s… (3:10) Yeah. (3:11) And you have to donate money when you do it to boxerlove.org. (3:13) That’s true. (3:14) We don’t talk about… (3:14) So there you go.(3:15) Rule one, we don’t talk about fecal matter. (3:17) Rule two, no fecal matter. (3:21) So we’re on this semi-alien kick.(3:24) Yeah. (3:24) What are we talking about today? (3:25) Today we’re talking about the documentary on Amazon Prime, (3:29) Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. (3:32) One, two, three, four, five.(3:33) Fifth. (3:34) The Fifth Kind. (3:35) Contact has begun.(3:36) Is that the last part? (3:37) Yes. (3:38) I believe that’s what it was. (3:39) I forgot the last part.(3:40) Available in three offerings from Amazon. (3:43) Yeah, I didn’t get that. (3:43) One is like rent and buy for really expensive.(3:46) One is rent and buy for… (3:48) Eh. (3:48) And one is free, which I’m very confused. (3:51) There’s actually a Canadian version also, (3:53) because the version I sent to William didn’t work in his country.(3:56) So he’s like, oh, I found the Canadian version. (3:58) Oh, okay, cool. (3:59) Do they add a on the end of every sentence? (4:01) Yes, a boot.(4:02) The aliens are a boot to invade. (4:05) They’re coming around the mountain, eh? (4:07) Eh. (4:07) Yeah, they made contact, eh? (4:10) You hosers.(4:10) Yeah, you hosers. (4:11) We should have prop on for this one. (4:13) Right? (4:14) He’s got a stick.(4:14) He could probably whack off a couple aliens. (4:16) Not literally whack. (4:18) Well, like whack-a-mole.(4:20) Like checking them. (4:22) Not whack them off. (4:23) Well, that’s what you said.(4:25) It’s true. (4:26) I mean, who are we to judge if they’re into that, you know? (4:29) Should we share it? (4:30) What? (4:31) Should we share our new at-home prostitute service? (4:34) That’s up to you, man. (4:36) Ladies and gentlemen, I’m just going to do it, (4:38) because it’s Knocked Conscious.(4:39) It’s time for ideas. (4:41) Okay. (4:41) Hoardash.(4:42) W-H-O-O-R space dash. (4:46) And you can order all different kinds. (4:47) It’s like Uber Fox.(4:49) Hoardash and Uber Fox were the two, correct? (4:51) I believe that’s correct. (4:52) Beautiful. (4:52) Good thing that you just brought this to my attention three minutes ago.(4:55) I know. (4:56) Couldn’t help it. (4:57) It popped in my head today.(4:59) Hoardash. (4:59) It was like… (5:00) An epiphany. (5:01) Yeah, that… (5:03) Light bulb? (5:03) Serendipity, or… (5:04) No.(5:05) It was a serendipitous event, yeah. (5:06) Okay. (5:07) No? (5:07) Sure.(5:07) It’s like the Geico guy. (5:09) Serendipity. (5:10) 15 minutes.(5:11) Save you 15%. (5:13) Serendipity. (5:14) Okay.(5:15) But we’re going to talk about aliens and close encounters of fifth kind. (5:18) Yeah. (5:18) Would you like to go through the kinds of encounters that one can have? (5:22) Because I believe fifth is the highest.(5:24) Is that correct? (5:26) In numerical, yeah. (5:29) You’re welcome. (5:31) Not by importance, but definitely numerically it is the highest one, yes.(5:36) Okay, you ready? (5:37) Maybe. (5:39) Number one. (5:40) What are you doing? (5:41) Something on fire? (5:42) I’m looking for my medicine.(5:44) Oh, no. (5:45) Well, we’re doing this one solo, boys and girls. (5:48) The medicine’s not here.(5:49) Sorry, everybody. (5:50) No, it’s not key. (5:51) Okay, number one.(5:53) Close encounters of the first kind. (5:55) Visual sightings of an identified flying object. (6:00) Seemingly less than 500 feet away.(6:05) Okay, so that’s just seeing it. (6:06) Excuse me. (6:07) I apologize if I talked over you.(6:10) To that show an appreciable angular extension in considerable detail. (6:16) Okay. (6:18) All right.(6:20) This is actually called Heineck’s Scale, by the way. (6:22) Heineck’s Scale. (6:23) Yes, H-Y-N-E-K.(6:25) Yeah, also Heineck is the guy from Project Blue Book. (6:27) I think he is also the co-owner of Heineck Inn. (6:31) Yes, Allen Heineck Inn.(6:33) Yeah. (6:33) Heineck, H-Y-N-E-K-I-N. (6:36) Heineck Inn are the children’s beer.(6:38) Which, do not confuse it with the Heineck Inn Maneuver. (6:42) Yes, the Heineck Inn Maneuver is where you drink two at a time (6:45) until you can’t breathe anymore. (6:46) Right, someone has to knock the bottles out of your hand.(6:49) Yeah, that’s the Heineck Inn Maneuver. (6:51) Right, the Heineck Inn Maneuver. (6:52) Okay.(6:52) Yeah, isn’t that? (6:53) Yes. (6:54) And then the Heineck Inn are the children of Heineck. (6:57) Yes, correct.(6:58) They’re the Heineck Inn. (6:59) Like Jack’s son. (7:00) The Heineck Inn, yes.(7:01) Jefferson, yes. (7:02) Excellent. (7:02) Close encounters of the second kind.(7:03) So, visual within 500 feet and detail. (7:07) Yes, sir. (7:08) Now, is that visual as in, can it be on a medium like film (7:11) or does it have, is it just the person, a personal? (7:14) Dicapedia just states visual sighting.(7:16) Okay. (7:16) Does not state the how and the why. (7:20) So, it could be captured via probably video or picture (7:24) or a still or just an eyewitness account, I would assume.(7:27) Yeah, all those are visual, so I believe you would be correct. (7:30) Okay, I just want to be clear. (7:31) That’s cool.(7:31) Some different scales that aren’t Heineck related (7:35) would have like ones of video, like an actual log (7:39) where you have not just eyewitness accounts, (7:42) you have video or film or audio or some other. (7:45) Yes, a still picture versus a video versus an eyewitness (7:48) versus et cetera. (7:50) All right, number two.(7:51) Number two, close encounters of the second kind. (7:53) A UFO event in which physical effect is alleged. (7:58) This can be interference in the functioning of a vehicle (8:02) or electronic device, animals reacting, (8:05) a psychological effect such as paralysis or heat (8:09) and discomfort in the witness or some physical trace (8:13) like impressions in the ground, scorched or otherwise (8:17) affected vegetation or a chemical trace.(8:21) So, I assume that, a crop circle, right, (8:24) would be logical to me. (8:25) Crop circle, landing marks, (8:27) turning off the nuclear silos would be (8:30) because that was a direct effect of them, right, (8:33) an interaction. (8:34) It was an electronic interaction that turned them off.(8:37) And I may regret saying this, (8:38) but in close encounters of the third kind in 1977, (8:42) Richard Dreyfuss’s truck turned off (8:44) when the UFO flew over him. (8:50) Richard Dreyfuss. (8:51) Richard Dreyfuss.(8:54) I hate you so much. (8:55) It was well before my Mr. Holland’s opus opening. (8:58) They need a bigger boat.(9:00) Also, that was same year? (9:02) Also Spielberg? (9:03) But were they both, (9:04) was Jaws and Close Encounters in 77? (9:06) Or was Jaws 76? (9:10) It’s right around there. (9:11) Don’t, don’t. (9:12) It’s okay, we’re still talking.(9:14) We don’t fucking stop just because we’re looking shit up, bro. (9:19) Tell us about the third kind. (9:20) Can I go? (9:20) Yeah, you can.(9:22) Close encounters of the third kind. (9:23) UFO encounters in which an animated entity is present. (9:28) These include humanoids, robots, (9:31) and humans who seem to be occupants or pilots of a UFO.(9:37) Okay, so let’s go back to Phenomenon, (9:39) when we broke that down, right? (9:41) The first one was the visual sightings, (9:43) the pictures of the craft. (9:45) The second was they turned off the silos. (9:47) The third one would have been that one in New Mexico (9:49) where that police officer said he saw the children.(9:53) Yes, that too. (9:53) That would be the third kind. (9:54) Correct.(9:55) Because now you’re seeing this being. (9:56) The footprint would have been the second kind, I think, (9:58) just like to your point, (9:59) because it’s an indentation or a mark left behind. (10:02) Yes.(10:02) Okay, so now I’m just using that (10:04) because we did do a Phenomenon and people have listened to us. (10:07) Two or three, yeah. (10:08) So what’s four about this? (10:10) Four.(10:10) Close encounters of the fourth kind (10:12) is a UFO event (10:14) in which a human is abducted by a UFO or its occupants. (10:20) This type was not included (10:22) in Hynek’s original Close Encounters scale. (10:27) Interesting.(10:28) So it stopped with three, (10:29) and that’s why the movie in 77 (10:31) was Close Encounters of the Third Kind. (10:34) And Jaws was 75. (10:37) So there is a side note.(10:40) Hynek’s associate, Jacques Vallée, (10:42) argued in the Journal of Scientific Exploration (10:45) that the fourth kind should refer to (10:48) cases when witnesses experienced (10:50) a transformation of their sense of reality. (10:55) Okay. (10:56) So as also to include non-abduction cases (10:59) where absurd, hallucinatory, or dreamlike events (11:03) are associated with UFO encounters.(11:05) Is Jacques Vallée the guy who was also in Close Encounters (11:08) and was the UN guy and all that? (11:10) I believe that is correct, yeah. (11:11) Yeah, I agree. (11:12) I think that’s what it was as well.(11:14) So a lot of it tends to be right around this close, (11:17) that movie, because it just, (11:18) we’re talking about the fifth kind, obviously. (11:19) It stopped at three when they came out, Blue Alien. (11:22) Did you ever, speaking of which.(11:25) There’s actually seven on the list, (11:26) and I didn’t know I stopped at five (11:28) when I looked it up today. (11:28) Oh, shit. (11:29) Well, what’s number five? (11:31) Number five, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind (11:33) is a UFO event that involves direct communication (11:36) between aliens and humans.(11:38) This type of close encounter was named by UFO aliens, (11:42) bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh, (11:43) Stephen Greer, CSETI group. (11:49) Yeah, C-S-E-T-I, right. (11:51) And is described as bilateral contact (11:54) experiences through consciousness, (11:56) voluntary, and proactive human-initiated (11:59) cooperation communication (12:02) with extraterrestrial intelligence.(12:05) Right, and Greer is the gentleman who made (12:09) this documentary. (12:10) Yes, that’s correct. (12:10) So he’s the gentleman who’s, (12:11) who came up with the fifth kind.(12:13) Right, the bespectacled gentleman. (12:17) He wears glasses? (12:17) Yes. (12:18) Bespectacled, it’s way better, (12:19) it sounds way smarter when you don’t.(12:20) I never heard that term, bro. (12:21) When you don’t butcher bespectacled, (12:23) it sounds way better. (12:25) But when you say it like I say it, (12:27) you sound dumb.(12:28) Yeah, so it’s this guy, (12:29) and he had a personal encounter and all that stuff, (12:31) so C-S-E-T-I is Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial (12:38) Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial (12:43) Intelligentsia. (12:43) What’s the number? (12:44) Okay, so he’s stopped at five now. (12:46) Now Wiki added two? (12:48) Yeah.(12:49) So give us those two. (12:50) Obviously we’re not going to delve deep into those, (12:52) because I don’t even know what they are. (12:54) Well, we might.(12:56) Number six. (12:56) Is one where you pilot the fucking UFO? (12:58) Oh, that’s 16. (13:01) 19.(13:01) Yeah, when they let you, (13:02) hey bro, do you want to drive? (13:04) Close Encounters of the 19th Kind. (13:06) You get the stick. (13:08) That’s reserved for George Jetson.(13:11) Close Encounters of the Sixth Kind. (13:13) Death of a human or animal associated with a UFO sighting. (13:17) Though this could be considered a more severe example (13:20) of second kind encounter.(13:22) Yeah, so it’s like cattle mutilation, (13:24) things like that. (13:24) Oh, no. (13:26) That’s, sorry.(13:27) Decapitation is a horrible metal band. (13:29) Oh, bro. (13:31) Bro, you and your goddamn metals.(13:33) Also, Pig Destroyer. (13:34) Is there a song that’s at all cattle mutilation? (13:37) There’s got to be some mutilation. (13:38) Oh, of course.(13:39) I don’t know. (13:40) I don’t mind. (13:42) Do you think a lot of heavy metal people (13:44) order from Hoardash? (13:45) All of us.(13:48) Speaking of Hoardash and Uberfucks, (13:50) Close Encounters of the Seventh Kind. (13:52) Are you fucking serious? (13:53) No, I’m not. (13:54) Yes, I am.(13:55) Here we go, you ready? (13:55) Jesus. (13:56) Wait for it. (13:57) Close Encounters of the Seventh Kind.(14:00) Alien Hoardash. (14:01) Beautiful. (14:02) The creation of a human slash alien hybrid (14:08) either by sexual reproduction (14:10) or by artificial scientific methods.(14:13) So that’s probably like Uber XL (14:15) where you get the alien and, you know, (14:17) and something happens. (14:18) Well, that’s the one without the body parts. (14:20) They’re the eunuchs in the middle (14:21) because they, the test tube babies.(14:25) Test tube baby. (14:25) Because they don’t actually procreate anymore. (14:28) They don’t even need the body parts.(14:32) Right. (14:32) I feel like over time that’s gone. (14:34) That’s sad.(14:35) But, so this is like the test tube baby. (14:39) So Seven is making a hybrid. (14:41) But like we have that fucking technology (14:43) or they would obviously do it.(14:44) I don’t know, dude. (14:45) But that’s what this says. (14:47) I’ve never heard of this.(14:48) Me neither. (14:48) I’m looking for a Seventh Kind documentary. (14:51) Okay.(14:52) I mean, I feel like Pornhub. (14:55) Hoardash, bro. (14:56) All right.(14:57) So we’re stopping at five. (14:59) Yes. (14:59) Okay.(15:00) That is where Stephen M. Greer comes in. (15:02) Doctor Stephen M. Greer. (15:05) So tell us about this gentleman, sir.(15:07) Oh, as you take a sip of soda pop. (15:09) Excuse me. (15:09) No, that’s my name.(15:10) Doctor Greer, a medical doctor. (15:13) And he walked away from his medical career (15:17) to pursue the, this is dumb, (15:22) to pursue the pursuit (15:25) You’re welcome. (15:26) Bro.(15:27) Yes? (15:28) I’m just, no. (15:29) Are you disgusted with me right now? (15:31) No, never. (15:33) I’m always disgusted with myself.(15:33) You know, one thing that you like, (15:35) I need to tell you, I am bespectacled. (15:37) You are bespectacled. (15:38) Boing.(15:38) I’m despectacled right now. (15:40) It’s like being shelled and deshelled. (15:42) Yes.(15:43) Shelled fucking nuts still have the shell on them. (15:45) That’s why they’re shelled. (15:49) You deshelled nuts do not have shells on them.(15:52) Let’s not talk about deez nuts, bro. (15:54) Deez nuts. (15:56) And I, may I make a quick, (15:58) Yes.(15:58) Well, no, a quick correction about Stephen M. Greer. (16:00) No, we’re not going to go down the deez nuts route. (16:02) Okay, go.(16:03) We’re going to go down the Stephen M. Greer route. (16:04) Isn’t he a doctor of, like, mathematician? (16:08) Not a medical doctor. (16:08) He said he walked away from his medical career.(16:10) I thought he said his mathematical career. (16:12) You need to look that up, bro. (16:13) I watched it three times and I still didn’t even get it.(16:18) While you’re looking that up, (16:19) I will continue with the story. (16:21) Oh, please. (16:21) He had a near-death experience at the age of 17 (16:23) and had a conscious awakening, I guess you could say.(16:29) And ever since that, when he’s now in his 50s, (16:32) ever since then, he’s dedicated himself to meditation (16:37) and the pursuit of consciousness (16:39) and the thought that it’s possible (16:46) to contact extraterrestrial life with human consciousness. (16:50) He was a physician. (16:51) A physician.(16:52) So that’s your doctor. (16:53) You’re correct. (16:54) Point one nothing? (16:56) You’re welcome.(16:56) Christopher. (16:57) Secondly, didn’t he have an abduction experience as a child, (17:01) not as an adult? (17:03) Remember, because he said he saw the same ship that he saw. (17:06) Yeah, he saw something when he was, like, seven or eight.(17:08) Right, okay. (17:09) So I’m just going to be clear that there was an encounter (17:12) of some sort in his early childhood (17:16) that I feel like at least started that. (17:19) First domino to be tipped over.(17:21) Yeah. (17:22) And then he went about his real life (17:23) and then probably came back, circled back around. (17:25) Yeah, yeah, yeah.(17:26) Okay. (17:28) So what do you think of this gentleman? (17:29) We’ve seen him on, he was on The Phenomenon, was he not? (17:32) He was, I think Greer was on there in spits, drips, and drabs. (17:35) I think you’re right, but I think it was very brief.(17:39) It was. (17:41) Because they were really looking at a lot of the stories in Phenomenon. (17:44) But he did do the unacknowledged doc.(17:46) Yeah, I haven’t watched that yet. (17:47) Okay, I’ve seen that one as well. (17:49) How, is that good? (17:51) I would ask.(17:51) Because what’s his name was psycho about it. (17:55) Steven Tyler was on Joe Rogan. (17:57) Yeah, did you hear the way he said it? (17:59) You have to watch it.(18:00) No, I’m good. (18:01) It’s worth a watch, but you and I, (18:04) even though we’re avid fans of UFOs and aliens and all that stuff (18:08) and we just are really curious about the world as a whole. (18:11) Right.(18:11) You and I still vet things a little more than the lay person. (18:16) Yes. (18:17) I would go into unacknowledged just being open-minded, (18:21) but with a critical eye like we always do (18:23) because I think it’s always important to question everything.(18:28) Yeah, fair enough. (18:29) I would agree. (18:30) Continue, so tell us about this.(18:32) Which part? (18:33) This guy. (18:34) Where are we starting with? (18:35) You took the notes, bro. (18:36) Because last time we took notes, (18:38) the fucking podcast was as long as a goddamn documentary.(18:41) So I stepped away from note-taking (18:43) and just watched it three times so I could. (18:45) Okay. (18:49) The documentary, in my perception, (18:54) was it had two parts.(18:55) Part one, which is about a third of the show, (18:57) it’s less than two hours. (18:59) The first third of the show was addressing. (19:02) The entire thing is less than two hours, (19:04) not just the first part.(19:05) Yes, I’m sorry. (19:06) The entire show. (19:08) Is two hours, basically.(19:09) Is less than two hours, 58 or something stupid. (19:10) So the first third or so is about (19:15) world government organizations (19:18) covering up UFO encounters for 80 years (19:23) back into World War II. (19:25) So it also talked about how (19:29) the president, multiple presidents, (19:33) not just the current president, (19:35) multiple presidents and the Congress (19:37) are not aware of and have no control over (19:41) black op programs and UFO research programs (19:45) and they’re completely, (19:47) I don’t want to say off the books, (19:49) but the president and the Congress have no knowledge (19:51) and no control over those organizations.(19:54) Well, it’s funny you say that because (19:56) It’s not funny at all. (19:57) It’s hilarious. (19:58) Can you see how much I’m laughing? (20:00) A lot.(20:02) Um, it is. (20:05) It’s curiouser and curiouser. (20:07) Do you remember the Mitch McConnell? (20:09) Was it Mitch McConnell or the other read? (20:10) Harry Reid in Phenomenon? (20:12) Yeah.(20:12) Talked about earmarking money aside, (20:14) but he had to do. (20:15) He didn’t do it on the books, right? (20:17) He even pulled money aside (20:18) and he is part of the system. (20:20) He is part of Congress.(20:21) These black op programs, though. (20:23) This is what we have to be careful about. (20:25) The black op programs are not just UFO based.(20:27) They’re correct. (20:28) There are a there are myriad black op programs. (20:31) Yes.(20:31) And one of the things that I got from that, (20:34) I’m sure we’ll bring up is the CIA’s involvement domestically (20:38) because the CIA, according to the National Security Act (20:41) of like 1947 or something, (20:43) there should be zero CIA at all on on homeland ground. (20:51) Like there should be no covert operations (20:53) done by the CIA in the United States. (20:55) The FBI is in charge of the United States.(20:57) It’s the Federal Bureau of Investigation. (20:59) Oh, OK. (20:59) That is one of the things and I don’t.(21:01) I didn’t know that. (21:01) Just the look on your face tells me. (21:03) I didn’t know that.(21:03) Right. (21:03) A lot of people do not know this. (21:05) The CIA does.(21:07) They sell drugs to make to fund their fucking wars. (21:10) Yeah. (21:11) Afghanistan is the highest producer of poppy in the world.(21:16) But you know when that started? (21:18) After we secured it. (21:20) Just FYI. (21:21) Poppy fields skyrocketed.(21:24) Is that. (21:26) OK. (21:27) Well.(21:28) Is that why Russia invaded Afghanistan? (21:31) No, that’s before. (21:32) Right. (21:33) We’re talking about since like 2010, 2012 or so.(21:37) OK. (21:37) All of a sudden these poppy fields started showing up. (21:39) OK.(21:39) And they were being protected by US military. (21:43) From what I’ve read some things. (21:44) Now, once again, we vet it all.(21:46) But hearing this guy corroborate the same. (21:48) Something that you’ve read before. (21:50) Yes, something I’ve seen before.(21:52) And the black ops stuff does concern me. (21:55) And not just on the UFO side. (21:57) On all of it.(22:00) Yes. (22:01) So anyway. (22:02) Yes.(22:03) On anything that’s off the books. (22:05) That I mean. (22:06) But that also good.(22:07) This is not part of the podcast. (22:08) But that also goes to the question that you’ve said before. (22:11) Is it the price of freedom? (22:14) What and what are we willing.(22:15) What are Americans willing to pay. (22:17) I think we’re going to talk about that. (22:18) To do that.(22:18) Because this is important. (22:19) Because if there is an alien presence. (22:22) And if there is an intelligence.(22:23) We’d rather be their friend than their foe. (22:26) I agree with that. (22:27) I mean.(22:28) And we’re coming. (22:29) You know. (22:29) They’re coming at it from an aggressive standpoint.(22:31) Which we’ll talk about I’m sure. (22:33) Yes. (22:33) So CIA.(22:35) Black ops. (22:35) And then Greer mentioned. (22:37) That he has briefed every president since Clinton.(22:41) Correct? (22:42) Clinton on? (22:43) I believe it started with Clinton. (22:44) That’s correct. (22:45) Okay.(22:45) And then what else do you have after that? (22:48) In 2001. (22:50) Which I believe we mentioned before. (22:52) A bunch.(22:53) They were called whistleblowers. (22:54) A bunch of guys came out. (22:56) And stated that UFOs are real.(22:58) The government’s aware. (22:59) The US government is aware of it. (23:02) And.(23:04) It’s. (23:05) No one. (23:05) Nobody cared.(23:06) And that was in the phenomenon. (23:08) Yes. (23:08) That’s why Greer was actually in that group of those.(23:11) Yes. (23:12) Those people that were in the phenomenon part. (23:14) That came out forward.(23:15) And said. (23:16) Here’s all the data we have. (23:18) Many generals in high positions.(23:20) A lot of people talking about the nuclear capabilities. (23:21) Being shut off at that point. (23:23) Yeah.(23:24) Many visitations. (23:24) The Bob Lazar stuff. (23:25) All of that stuff.(23:26) Gets thrown out there. (23:28) Yes. (23:28) To your point.(23:29) Yes. (23:31) After that. (23:31) In 2017.(23:32) Both the CIA. (23:34) And the FBI. (23:35) Released.(23:37) Previous. (23:37) Top secret information. (23:39) To.(23:40) The world. (23:41) That they are aware of. (23:44) UFOs.(23:45) And. (23:46) They’ve known about it. (23:48) For.(23:48) 75 years. (23:50) And we talked about it. (23:51) In that letter.(23:52) They even. (23:53) They claim to have vehicles. (23:55) Yes.(23:55) Not of this earth. (23:56) Well. (23:56) That’s.(23:57) That was said. (23:58) In both. (23:59) The phenomenon.(24:02) Show. (24:03) Was that on? (24:04) Doc. (24:04) Was that on? (24:04) It was also on.(24:05) Yep. (24:06) You rented that one. (24:07) That one we had to rent.(24:07) Yes. (24:08) Right. (24:08) Okay.(24:08) That. (24:09) That. (24:09) Show.(24:10) As well as this. (24:10) Mentioned that. (24:11) As.(24:12) Also. (24:13) Which I found interesting. (24:14) That they.(24:14) They crossed over. (24:15) You know. (24:15) I mean.(24:16) Yeah. (24:17) Well. (24:17) That’s the thing about this.(24:18) Is. (24:19) Phenomenon in this are similar. (24:20) But they’re not.(24:22) Yes. (24:22) In a weird way. (24:23) Well.(24:23) Correct. (24:24) Phenomenon is like an exposure. (24:25) Of them existing.(24:27) Yes. (24:27) Or the sightings only. (24:29) Right.(24:30) Where that comes in is. (24:32) Some of those big players. (24:34) That are.(24:34) That phenomenon talks about. (24:36) We were. (24:36) We were told to watch phenomenon.(24:38) From one of the main players. (24:40) Yeah. (24:40) Right.(24:41) Right. (24:41) And. (24:42) That main player.(24:44) Almost seems to be an antagonist. (24:45) To this Greer guy. (24:46) In this one.(24:47) Because he talks about them. (24:48) Possibly being threats. (24:49) Correct.(24:50) I don’t want to give too much away. (24:51) Because we don’t know what we’re going to have. (24:52) Going down the road.(24:53) But. (24:54) I agree. (24:54) That’s the plan.(24:54) Yeah. (24:55) I agree. (24:56) That’s the thought.(24:57) Right. (24:57) Some of these big players. (24:59) On the one side.(25:00) Who expose it in the first place. (25:02) Yes. (25:02) Greer.(25:03) Has. (25:04) Also rubbed shoulders with them. (25:05) Or rubbed elbows with them.(25:06) Or whatever. (25:06) But he also. (25:08) There’s a little bit of a friction.(25:09) Because it’s the intent of the reason. (25:13) For wanting the exposure. (25:15) One side sees it like threatening.(25:17) Possibly. (25:18) Right. (25:19) The other side.(25:20) Obviously Greer sees it differently. (25:22) Okay. (25:23) Yeah.(25:23) I agree. (25:23) So we go from. (25:24) The Pentagon.(25:26) CIA. (25:26) 75 years. (25:27) They even have.(25:28) What? (25:28) Those documents hidden in plain sight. (25:30) On their website. (25:30) About.(25:31) You know. (25:31) How important. (25:32) Those UFOs are.(25:33) And stuff like that. (25:34) Yes. (25:34) Correct.(25:35) The. (25:36) The main. (25:36) The main part about.(25:38) The first third of the show. (25:39) Was that. (25:44) The world governments.(25:46) Paint. (25:47) The picture. (25:48) Of extraterrestrial life.(25:49) Being a threat. (25:51) That’s. (25:52) Basically.(25:53) The summarization. (25:53) Of the first. (25:54) 40 minutes or so.(25:56) Right. (25:56) And it’s. (25:57) It’s specifically US.(25:58) Because it’s US based. (25:59) Like. (26:00) We’re the ones.(26:01) Calling a threat. (26:01) If you notice. (26:02) It’s all the American.(26:03) Government programs. (26:04) Atip. (26:05) And all the other ones.(26:05) That were made. (26:07) Yeah. (26:07) CIA.(26:08) FBI. (26:08) Yeah. (26:09) So it.(26:09) It is US. (26:11) Centric or American. (26:12) Based.(26:13) Because I don’t know if the glow. (26:15) I don’t know what the global. (26:16) Feeling of it is.(26:17) I just know that. (26:18) In the United States. (26:20) The powers that be.(26:22) Are scared. (26:23) Or. (26:24) Have painted UFOs as a threat.(26:27) Which leads me to my point about. (26:30) The idea. (26:32) That was brought up about.(26:33) Their wanting to be a one world government. (26:36) And how. (26:36) it would be easier to battle these evil extraterrestrials if we were ruled by one (26:44) government as a human race as well as a earth right which I find disturbing we’ve (26:51) heard of new world order we’ve heard of order Reagan even in the UN said he’s (26:56) like well in 19 in the 80s I can only think if we had a threat how much the (27:03) Americans in the United in the world would come together and fight this (27:09) atrocity it wasn’t bad go back to your Dreyfus tear down this wall bro mr. (27:15) Gorbachev mr. Gorbachev yeah so even he and it’s funny cuz Greer’s like in his (27:20) naivete or the lawyer yeah the do with the white hair yeah now the lawyer this (27:26) white hair curly got beautiful locks of hair he’s gorgeous but his his his hair (27:32) doesn’t match his eyebrows it really freaks me out or his eyebrows don’t (27:36) match his hair because they’re not great no that’s oh wait now that’s the (27:39) carpet this is the curtains I don’t fucking know Harvard floors bro oh but (27:47) he was like on he who were some of his legal battles that he fought the freedoms (27:55) of things like that he had been working with Freedom of Information Act since (28:00) 1972 yeah so it’s obviously that’s who he’s an activist yes correct and a smart (28:05) guy but you know you start going like obviously these two gentlemen have an (28:10) idea how far has it consumed them to the point of like tinfoil time yeah right (28:18) that’s just the question blinders are on is what you’re saying yeah which I did (28:22) have that thought as well is is that would be that happened that’s human (28:26) nature right is to you believe something so much that it’s become your (28:31) truth I will say that since we started the podcast even more so than before we (28:37) started the podcast which I don’t even know if was possible but it is how much (28:43) I get in that I find myself going this is a conspiracy wait to pump the (28:47) fucking brakes for a second like I have to vet my vetting because it’s kind of (28:52) biased now because we’re looking for inconsistencies we’re looking for the (28:57) problems right well we always were right but when we really look like this and (29:01) really focus because we’re sharing this with the world and we’re reading more (29:04) than we were before and researching and talking to people yes I see your point (29:09) yeah I get it anyway so good um one of my main points about the first third was (29:16) the connection between the world governments and the world media (29:21) organizations and not just the the news but the radio the new television news (29:28) but the radio mainstream media yeah and newspapers and how they all work (29:34) together to have an it’s but I see it as a united front against the rest of (29:41) humanity so that they can show any extraterrestrial encounters as a threat (29:48) we just came off of our conversation with Charles Thompson yes and in that (29:53) he went to a he went to a show where someone was cheered and right the news (29:59) every newspaper the next day people were like either texting or messaging him (30:04) going sorry you had to go to that yesterday he’s like what are you talking (30:07) about he goes yeah guy gets booed offstage and he’s like that didn’t (30:12) happen I was I was there you know you know what it reminds me of I wanted to (30:16) bring it up with Charles but I don’t know if he saw it but I know you saw it (30:19) the beginning of the running man food riot in progress we must stop these (30:26) people gun him down no I will not go against my people ah Arnold Schwarzenegger (30:31) remember the beginning of the running man so beginning in the running man he’s (30:34) a helicopter pilot they’re coming into a food riot it’s the future and everybody’s (30:38) fighting yeah and they’re like take him out and he goes no I refuse and they (30:41) grab him and they hold him back and then they zap him and that’s why how he goes (30:44) to jail but then they redid the footage remember they recut the footage to make (30:48) it look like he was the one who was the rogue guy who’s the asshole and it it (30:53) reminds me exactly of that and I’m like that sounds like fuck that’s scary (30:57) remember remember the 5th of November broke yeah there’s some yeah definitely (31:02) definitely V for Vendetta style yes so the question I have for you Chuck Mark (31:07) is why would the mainstream media and and the world government organizations (31:15) want to paint the picture of non earthlings as a threat to humans this is (31:25) my this is my only my idea right my own opinion not anyone else’s this is just (31:32) for me mainstream media is controlled by the haves yeah so they just pay the (31:40) mainstream mainstream media is just a puppet or a trumpet for them so basically (31:44) mainstream media gets paid off okay okay yes right yes so they’re getting (31:49) incentivized to do this yeah there I don’t know if they agree with it okay but (31:54) even with the Charles conversation he claimed that Rupert Murdoch we all know (32:00) who Rupert Murdoch is the Fox News yeah the Washington Post correct the (32:05) Washington Post or the or the Daily Mirror whatever it was his I think it’s (32:08) Washington Post and obviously Fox News hold on don’t don’t don’t wave me I (32:13) don’t waggle I asked the wrong question go you didn’t yes I did no you didn’t he (32:18) said make it up or only negative right he’s a he’s a have yeah he’s telling (32:24) them because he owns them so I understand the mainstream is just owned (32:28) by the people that want it okay I want the control so I apologize for my (32:34) question why I’m so terrible I’m a why are you sorry for your question check (32:39) mark I’m a terrible interviewer so let me revise my question why do the haves (32:44) want to paint I hate using this expression three times now why do the (32:51) haves want to show extraterrestrial beings to humans as being a threat why is (32:58) because they want to keep control in my opinion control over the over the (33:03) humans because they control that this is their playground right they own it now (33:07) if a third party comes in and takes over then they don’t have control anymore (33:12) yes it’s competition yeah it’s competition what do you think it is you (33:15) tell me you tell me what you think uh I put control question mark in my notes (33:23) not check mark question mark you Jack that was a that was a that was not a (33:29) intended pun I apologize so I put two things one is it is it control it is it (33:39) is it having inciting fear and panic among the masses for fear and control (33:46) reasons is it that simple I think they’re using the fear and control to (33:52) keep control or they’re using the fear to keep control so it’s they’re using (33:58) our emotions to keep their control yes that’s all it’s not like the control (34:05) leads to the negative I think they’re creating that negativity so they can (34:09) keep control which I find ironic because they’re using fear to keep control but (34:17) the last watching this and reading a couple other articles and thinking about (34:22) it it appears to me that the haves are terrified to lose control they’re more (34:30) fearful of losing control than we are living our daily lives with the fear of (34:37) the media and black and all the garbage that spit out at us through television (34:42) movies social media blah blah blah through everything like that the fear (34:46) that’s come down on the normal humans is less than the fear the haves have of (34:52) losing control does that make sense (34:54) yeah there’s a long sorry in my opinion I’m not saying that they orchestrate (35:02) every occurrence or every event of things but if but we would be very naive (35:08) to think that in today on January 6th in the in the world of SARS-CoV-2 they’re (35:16) not using that in some way of course as in it to take advantage of the situation (35:21) they may not have created the situation but they certainly are using it to (35:28) controls by keeping us locked down or keeping us with masks on or keeping us (35:32) from each other or keeping us making us starting to stir crazy in an election (35:36) you’re personally for United States for example and look at what happened mayhem (35:43) it definitely was an atypical year (35:45) let’s go I don’t know how to say like I think I feel like I don’t want to keep (35:50) providing providing the horse beating but yeah it’s it’s all it’s it seems to (35:54) be all control based (35:57) my second point regarding that is since since the dawn of movies with war the (36:07) world’s in 1939-1938 both both the radio and and the movie and then every (36:14) single cannot every single but the majority of extraterrestrial movies (36:19) after that are aliens are bad aliens are a threat (36:24) I independence day yeah like welcome to earth thank you (36:27) it’s there’s very few that the aliens aren’t territorial and dominant and (36:34) badasses well heck let’s just go past close encounters let’s go to let’s go to (36:40) Star Wars alone it’s a galaxy far far away and there are warring people they’re (36:46) aliens that subliminally you don’t think of them as aliens well but I just gave (36:51) you in a little of epiphany right like holy shit they’re telling us called Star (36:54) Wars right so but I’m just saying they’re an aggressive species mean the (37:00) empire or all of them rebel will the Empire trying to hold on the rebels are (37:05) fighting to get it right and then when they take it like if you watch a (37:09) Mandalorian you’re watching the rebels controlling things it’s not necessarily (37:12) better is it it’s just a different form of control so the question is with all (37:21) these movies and the mainstream nature of non-human life in our daily lives on (37:28) television and you know V and Battlestar Galactica and all these TV shows and (37:33) movies that are constantly coming out why is it what’s funny is Battlestar is (37:40) not really an alien movie it’s our own well yeah I’m just there right you’re (37:44) right no you’re right but it is my lawns I get I understand but they they (37:48) definitely are an alien race in a weird way that they’re not she almost sapien (37:52) yeah they are hybrid machine they’re an intelligence it’s not human yes for sure (37:58) so the question is are our extraterrestrials hiding in plain sight (38:03) because a are they be is it these movies and television shows etc are our humans (38:13) being prepared for something what can you define what you mean by hiding in (38:19) plain sight there’s aliens that live among us and this is dumbest thing I’m (38:27) ever say there’s aliens living among us and we just don’t know it and there and (38:32) the habs that control the media are producing movies to prep us so that when (38:39) an alien steps out of the QT we don’t all freak out two things yes one the (38:47) reason I asked you to clarify is because I know it’s I know I’m I look at the (38:54) world differently I feel like some of us are aliens that don’t know it (38:59) possibly yeah I think some of humanity could potentially be have alien in itself (39:07) outside of the whole world from you know the Big Bang bullshit I’m talking like (39:11) an actual alien could have seeded the human race for example there are there (39:14) are thoughts of that right so there could be a programmed human that doesn’t even (39:19) know they’re a fucking alien for example and then when they go to sleep somehow it (39:23) gets uploaded and you know I mean like yeah whatever just weird shit right (39:26) anything’s possible right anything like that’s possible are do I think that (39:31) there are definitely known aliens that came here and are hiding among us I have (39:37) not seen compelling data information or evidence to support that doesn’t mean (39:43) it’s not true but I use this our visual our eyes are your senses are actually (39:49) very basic we can’t see infrared we can only see a certain color spectrum very (39:54) limited color range like a small percentage of the color spectrum a (39:57) percentage of a percent right yeah we can only hear a percentage of a (40:01) percentage of the audio frequencies that are out there right who’s to say that a (40:05) ship isn’t like literally right here and we can’t see it or sense it because (40:10) it’s outside our audio and visual range how do we know and if we can’t sense it (40:13) because it’s in a phased thing or whatever right it’s just about senses (40:18) and knowing whether it’s there yeah I understand so I think your thoughts on (40:24) that about living among us and stuff I don’t know dude okay I think more (40:29) importantly is what are we being prepared for are they are the movies and (40:35) the TV shows preparing human humanity for something if so what yeah part two (40:41) of that right is part two of your question yes if they want to keep (40:47) control if I were a person who want to keep control I would continue this (40:54) clandestine bullshit I wouldn’t say that we have aliens I wouldn’t say that to (40:58) prepare us because I want to keep control I’d be like you don’t know what (41:02) they are I know what they are they’re dangerous to you right you mean giving (41:07) the illusion that the haves are protecting us correct okay right so (41:12) when okay when the panic remember the Pentagon said they have vehicles now this (41:16) earth not the CIA and the Pentagon I think is more of a not a covert yeah (41:21) but not a covert organization as much as the CIA right isn’t it part of is it is (41:27) the Pentagon separate right is the Pentagon owned by the CIA or is it it’s (41:30) multiple military military thing it’s only right yeah but the military isn’t (41:34) the clandestine military isn’t black ops that is actually the government so when (41:39) they military is part of the government right that’s my point the military is (41:43) part of the government the CIA works outside of the government so when the (41:48) military has a thing that says we have vehicles whatever I think that’s them (41:54) prepping us I think that’s them for what for the arrival for the exposure of the (42:00) truth so that when they do show up we don’t jump out of buildings and fucking (42:04) start rides and go crazy to your point however there’s two piece there’s two (42:09) people holding information one is the government whatever data they have and (42:13) then the other ones the black ops groups that don’t I don’t think the black ops (42:17) people want you to know you know shit but I do think that the United States (42:21) government is slowly dripping information to let us know right but it’s (42:28) the problem isn’t isn’t that it’s the black ops people right it’s the it’s the (42:31) clandestine groups and what you know how sad it is did you see the thing with (42:36) Ben Ben Affleck on there he said a really smart thing and then I watch him (42:41) on other stuff and he’s not so smart so I can’t I can’t even use him as like a (42:45) supporting thing for what he’s pretend it wasn’t him okay done and then what (42:50) did he say tell us I think he said it I like to think that CIA is in movies (42:54) because it’s funny that the movie industry and the black ops industry are (42:58) both trying to convince us what doesn’t exist to exist right in movies they use (43:04) CGI to show us that these things exist and in the real world they’re showing (43:08) us they’re trying to hide things that exist to show us that they don’t exist (43:11) it was a very interesting statement I thought I thought he said the CIA is (43:16) infiltrated Hollywood yeah he did because he’s saying what you said right (43:19) because the CIA in Hollywood are basically both trying to convince you of (43:23) something that isn’t is or isn’t there just in different ways complete 180 (43:27) ways yeah yeah CIA is telling trying to tell you what is isn’t and movies are (43:33) telling you what isn’t is well sci-fi I get it okay I get it your eyes no but I (43:41) was like dude whoa keep it keep it on you man (43:45) all right so that’s all I have so the first part so tell me tell me your (43:52) thoughts on all of those things because you had some excellent questions but I’d (43:56) love to hear your opinions on that these things I really struggle with a lot of (44:02) that because I want to believe the best in people and I it’s just another it’s (44:14) another notch in the bedpost for lack of a better description about how if this (44:21) is true the truth is not only being suppressed but manipulated and the truth (44:32) is not the truth the truth is being spit out as lies does that answer your (44:38) question it does the bigger point of this though is like it’s kind of like (44:46) eugenics question the idea of protecting the sovereignty of the United States is (44:51) a great idea but yeah the real patriotic ones that are really trying to protect (44:59) the United States do not have a line that they need to cross there is no line (45:05) to cross they will do whatever they deem necessary to protect the sovereignty of (45:10) the United States and I think it’s those people that are dangerous because I (45:13) think they’re just as ideal idealistic as say a politician or other ideas right (45:19) so because of their ideals or ideology they’re really going out of their way (45:24) they’re doing bad things but they don’t think they’re doing bad things they (45:27) think they’re doing the greater good the question is who gets to decide what the (45:32) greater good is right yeah just like in eugenics yes yes who gets decide who (45:35) gets to move on well who gets decide what information we get same same type (45:40) in that respect I’m thinking I see your eyebrows calm down on you I it bothers (45:55) me because I don’t know I I literally don’t I told a friend I think I told my (46:01) cousin a couple days ago I literally don’t know what to believe anymore then (46:06) I talked to will Canada will about about this documentary and I he said what do (46:14) you think I said I literally think anything is now possible so not as minute (46:21) as a possibility it may be it’s still possible it may be you know dot 19 zeros (46:29) one but that’s still possible so it’s still possible that the world media (46:39) outlets and the world government organizations are manipulating the truth (46:43) regarding extraterrestrials to all of mankind humankind I I would agree 100% I (46:49) believe that is what’s happening but that’s an opinion I don’t know what’s (46:55) happening that’s the thing I literally can’t believe anything anymore well it’s (46:59) my opinion that that’s happening yes but to your point poop we’re on we’re on the (47:06) social media platforms correct you have one one person saying one one person (47:12) saying zero this person says it’s five and that person says it’s ten and then (47:16) I say it’s blue what’s the end right what’s he what’s the answer like I don’t (47:22) fucking know answers H right it’s silent it’s a silent Pterodactyl H Timothy the (47:28) Pterodactyl is silent but isn’t I mean that’s where we’re at right it’s hard (47:34) you can’t bet anything anymore because you can overlay sounds now you can edit (47:39) you can do so many things with today’s technology that we didn’t have you and I (47:43) can do it stop it I mean think about us with a little bit of money know how much (47:50) danger or damage we could cause now and it comes back to the question that you (47:54) asked me to remember about we know to protect the freedoms United States the (47:58) United States does some really she some pretty shady shit putting people in (48:02) power taking people out of power drone strikes on generals bombings you know (48:09) Republic’s assassinations Banana Republic’s coups you know the guy Manuel (48:14) Manuel Noriega the guy who we took out from Grenada the Panama was the guy we (48:20) put in members that’s what happened I push one comes in I think they they (48:24) invaded for American soldiers died to get him out of Panama and it’s like (48:29) didn’t didn’t we didn’t we put him there how do we get a Hussein didn’t we put (48:34) Hussein in power did we give him Iran contra and all that stuff like think (48:38) about what we’ve done thinking that we have the right answer and in hindsight (48:42) I’ve not seen us have it right once so that’s a little scary that’s more scary (48:49) to me is that who’s in control of making the decisions of what’s right and wrong (48:54) yeah and if and if we need to look to someone then then it’s then it’s wrong (49:00) because it should be for all right it should be for all not just for a small (49:06) portion of the elites or whoever the haves-the-haves so that’s the first (49:14) third of the show all right it’s the last two-thirds was about the cosmic (49:24) consciousness or the way dr.Greer believes humanity can use their own (49:34) consciousness to communicate with extraterrestrials (49:40) you’re called we are called conscious correct yeah we are there was a reason (49:45) we we can’t there’s a reason I came up with that idea is because I had an (49:50) experience that was otherworldly I or definitely wasn’t earthly or whatever I (49:55) don’t know or humanly or whatever the fuck it wasn’t out of body I was a (49:59) precognitive vision right so it was a psychic event that made me question (50:06) everything all over again right it knocked me conscious it’s a (50:09) consciousness and when he said global consciousness it just rang so much with (50:14) how we’re sitting here now talking about it because that’s why this started not (50:20) because aliens but because of the experiences that I had when I was (50:26) working on bettering myself mm-hmm we’re to all the people not on video (50:37) Chris and I are having a we’re having a stare down of who’s gonna be on video (50:40) bro so one point I had was that communication through ESP since the root (50:52) idea is that regardless of your race human extraterrestrial whatever planet (51:00) dr. Greer believes these creatures are from we are related through (51:06) consciousness there’s because there’s one consciousness there’s one universe (51:10) universal consciousness right so global the way he says global consciousness (51:14) it’s the same global consciousness would be humans oh yeah it’s obviously it’s (51:20) local state country glow a continent globe right solar system yes it all it (51:28) all just concentric circles out so correct me if I’m wrong but my (51:33) interpretation excuse me of what he said was that consciousness is the language (51:40) of the of the universe is that sound apropos yeah it does the way he’s (51:48) explaining but remember we’re humans we’re evolved apes that really don’t (51:53) know what consciousness is yet we just don’t know right we talked about it in (51:58) our pre-show right is consciousness a thing like one plus one to the second (52:04) power minus three add a dash of salt a little sugar boom consciousness right (52:10) it’s like a like a formula like a recipe is it a thing that we have to (52:14) find in the brain or is it any an emergent property right of of the number (52:20) of neurons once we get to a certain number of neurons and state of of (52:24) understanding of things of knowledge does the consciousness then spring out (52:29) of that that is that is a very important question and I don’t no one knows the (52:34) answer to that right so the the implication here is that or the (52:39) assumption is that consciousness is an emergent product it’s a thing that you (52:43) that comes out of our level of understanding and knowledge and (52:48) evolution it is not a thing in itself it can’t be pinpointed right like that’s (52:55) why it’s all connected because it’s really this fluid thing that’s all kind (52:58) of everywhere and nowhere right because I knew yes get to anyways um there was (53:05) one gentleman that they interviewed that said it’s they did verify that and (53:14) correct me if I’m wrong on this one the consciousness is not just in the brain (53:17) they tried to find where in the brain consciousness is and they’ve determined (53:22) it’s not just in the brain correct it’s more than in your brain it is the (53:26) hypothesis that it’s not that is an outsider emergent property right only (53:31) because they haven’t found yet but think about how complex the brain is we’ve (53:34) come eons yes we still have a lot further to go yes right I mean you want (53:40) to start his neural link like let’s go let’s go a little further before we (53:43) really find out it’s my opinion also that is an emergent product seems to be (53:48) here and in order to see it or to experience consciousness you have to (53:55) have a level of foundation base neurons mental capacity evolution that’s that’s (54:03) your interpretation that is my opinion okay only yeah not anyone else’s but it (54:09) there seems there tends to be a lot of evidence just to point that direction not (54:15) 100% support it there’s no proof of it right because it’s my opinion I think (54:19) dolphins are very conscious and their water their water creature they’re not on (54:25) earth they’re not you they’re not I’m sorry they’re not on land right yeah and (54:30) funny thing is like can you tell me whether a dolphin smart because the only (54:34) way that you and I in our limited human world is the ability to harness fire is (54:40) where we know civilization exists well if you live in the fucking ocean there (54:44) is no way to fucking harness fire even if you’re an evolved even if you’re (54:49) psychic well that just shows that that our definition of smart is not accurate (54:54) correct so big so what’s that to say who’s to say that sea creatures who (55:00) don’t have the ability to harness fire like a land dweller would who don’t have (55:05) the limbs yeah just know I’ll evolve yeah who’s to say they’re not smart I (55:09) looked in the eyes of it off and I’m telling you that thing fucking knew (55:13) what’s going on I could just I I literally could talk to it alright just (55:18) sensed it you know I sensed its awareness of it it was like a human in (55:23) the water that’s all why is a human with flippers and fucking flipper flipper (55:30) bro right so what are your thoughts on that uh I agreed dolphins are smart what (55:38) do you think about the consciousness thing tell me tell me what your thoughts (55:40) are I don’t rule that out not for a second what’s your current what’s the (55:46) current information or what’s the current theory you’re going with regarding (55:51) dolphins consciousness no Dolphins have high pitches bro and they bring they (55:56) pitch high and outside my current thought regarding consciousness that’s a (56:07) fucking big question bro do you think it’s emerging or do you think it could (56:12) be a thing like like a cell or a I believe that it’s it is emergent (56:21) because I believe that we’re all related every every atom every molecule (56:29) is related you know if you the butterfly effect right so if I go do something (56:37) that affects everything around me and everything around me affects me on some (56:43) level it may be molecular but on some level we’re all connected does that it (56:51) does that answer your question sure so yes well the different there’s two (56:55) things right one once again consciousness being a thing or an (56:58) emergent property what I want to clarify for the audience thing like in your body (57:02) yeah like is it like a cell or an organ or a piece in the brain is it one of the (57:08) lobes is it a little whatever right because that’s the question you’re low (57:11) can you pinpoint where consciousness in the brain is or when we say emergent (57:17) property I use temperature as the example right when you take a piece of (57:22) metal and you bend it back and forth temp it gets hot but temperature isn’t a (57:27) thing of the system it’s only a resultant of the atoms getting smushed together by (57:33) me bending the metal that’s what we mean by emergent property I’m not trying to (57:37) man I know I get it I’m trying to just say it to everyone else because when we (57:41) say emergent like it’s just an abstract idea well let’s just clarify the (57:45) conscious a human’s consciousness is not somewhere in the body that you can (57:51) find and remove it or repair it or you know zap it with chemotherapy because (57:56) it’s sick it’s not you can’t we don’t know where it is it’s not the gallbladder (57:59) right I think right so the current school of thought is the our ability to (58:04) think and process the way we do allows us to experience consciousness it is the (58:11) emergence of the high processing of our human brain because bugs don’t have it (58:19) they might be affected but they don’t have a necessary consciousness they (58:24) can’t contemplate their own existence right like if you talk about the red (58:27) dot experiment have you ever heard we’ve talked about that briefly right where (58:30) you put a red dot on a on a baby and you put them in a mirror and they’re looking (58:33) at the red dot they know that it’s them they’re aware that they’re aware that (58:38) yeah yeah yeah right whereas a deer would just be like okay it’s a deer (58:44) right so that being aware being aware is really what consciousness seems to be (58:51) being aware of your own existence yeah well being aware of being aware I know I (58:57) know it sounds so fucking redundant but it’s really that it’s knowing that you (59:01) know kind of thing yes so anyway two-thirds we’re a third in and then so (59:08) which guy were you talking about the young guy or the old guy Russell Tard (59:12) because I want to talk about Russell the younger guy okay the gentleman that was (59:19) obsessed with the random number generator tell us about the random (59:23) number generators in this thing and then tell us about the one with those (59:26) attached to the light I’d like to hear all the random number generator and I (59:29) didn’t I had a hard time grasping that I don’t think I’m that dumb so this guy (59:37) set up random number generators and they they set them up it was in the four (59:46) corners of a room something like that okay so how a random number generator (59:50) works is it’s it’s just generates numbers a 1 or a 0 in this case is what (59:55) they’re let’s start with the first one that they were doing the first mental (59:57) exercise right a 1 or 0 yeah so it it should be given a long time half of them (1:00:06) are ones half of them are zeros yes okay so they put people in with this (1:00:12) random generator and ask them to focus on one or focus on zero so focusing on (1:00:19) one of the directions yes and they found in some of the cases many of the cases I (1:00:24) don’t want to yeah the most however many it was there were many because they can’t (1:00:29) say all cuz that’s a bullshit thing yeah the number generator resulted leaning (1:00:37) towards the direction that people consciously were thinking about it was (1:00:40) not 50-50 right as it should have been out right so it’s out of phase so it (1:00:44) leaned more towards one of the two either a one or a zero depending on (1:00:47) which one they thought about then they did it in a lamp and they attached a (1:00:52) random number generator to a lamp that had a different colors and remember they (1:00:56) said think of the color okay and the lamp turned a color and the and Greer it (1:01:02) turned red and he thought right he said he said I thought sunset oh right right (1:01:06) because I was thinking sunset which that would have a reddish yes correct for sure (1:01:11) it would right and then they did the plant one so basically in a random (1:01:16) number generator what they did was they put the random number generator in on a (1:01:19) light in the middle of a room and the thing would just revolve around the room (1:01:23) like randomly you go up here over there whatever right but then they put a plant (1:01:27) in the corner and somehow and I I need to see the date on that but somehow the (1:01:32) plant if they’re in there implying that the plant guided the random number (1:01:37) generator to feed it more light so the light send to shine in the corner of the (1:01:41) plant more than 25% than the rest of it was going to the four corners was it (1:01:47) four corners okay so it was going to the plant more than 25% of the time which it (1:01:52) should have been in each corner 25% the time I thought it was all over and it (1:01:55) just happened to be there more than anywhere else that’s all in that area in (1:01:57) that general but I I could have missed mr. yeah I got I misremembered like (1:02:01) Clemens yeah of course Clementine Clementine yes all of them delicious (1:02:05) oranges but for reals Clementine good thing you can spell them spell oranges (1:02:10) spell Q what did you what are your thoughts about the whole thing and how (1:02:18) that worked it was very interesting incredibly interesting how it’s it’s (1:02:25) because it’s a random number generator it’s a mathematical machine right and (1:02:30) obviously over an extended period of time as you said the numbers should be (1:02:34) dead equal right and when they’re not because it’s being affected by human (1:02:40) consciousness in the in the your example of the lamp and dr. Greer thinking of a (1:02:46) color or a scheme right so obviously that’s human consciousness can have (1:02:52) profound effects on the world around you I’m a little disappointed in the way the (1:02:57) documentary shared that information because they just said it did it I didn’t (1:03:03) I didn’t see data that shows this random number generator went did number one (1:03:09) everyone’s thing about number one and it did it 68% of the time I think we it (1:03:14) just said they just told us that it went the direction they wanted they never (1:03:19) explained like the actual it’s a documentary I get it yeah feed the data (1:03:23) to you but once again in our world of questioning in this world were you (1:03:27) saying is no I need to vet that so I’d love to see those actual things right (1:03:33) like because this guy’s is telling us what are we supposed to take my face (1:03:36) value because it’s it’s got the word documentary at the end of it do you know (1:03:41) I’m saying many people do right but you and I don’t you and I vet everything so (1:03:46) I wish they would have had a little bit more nerdiness to it okay but yes I mean (1:03:53) it was very generic so let’s take that number generator because later in the in (1:03:59) the show they talk about it another number generator they put a bunch of (1:04:01) them around the world yeah let’s go into that because we’ll just get the number (1:04:04) generator stuff out of the way and then we can move yeah I they they said that (1:04:09) they had them all over the world and then they all spiked in the number of (1:04:15) concerns or something like that right before 9-eleven was it before 9-eleven (1:04:20) or at there was a coat there was a there was like a cohesion of a group of them (1:04:24) before the event before that was it’s very specific that for 9-eleven it was (1:04:32) the more it was before the first plane hit they even said that now in Princess (1:04:37) Diana case yeah and the crash in the is a Pan Am no it was after that it was a (1:04:43) Lockerbie whichever one it was but anyway they had the death of the Pope (1:04:49) there are a lot of events that they went through that did show this trending at (1:04:55) the event like a global sorrow or like yes but it was like a pre sorrow but in (1:05:00) the 9-eleven it was a pre that’s what’s really interesting to me I surprised I (1:05:05) didn’t dig deeper into that they said it’s almost like everything aligned or (1:05:10) like it was like an awake like everyone like turned on like everyone woke up to (1:05:15) pay attention the morning before or the morning of the morning of before the (1:05:19) first plane hit so we’ve I mean I’m here to tell you I’ve had direct personal (1:05:26) psychic precognitive experiences that makes sense to me that we don’t even (1:05:30) know that we know it right right when did I know that I knew it when it (1:05:33) happened never before looking back I probably had multiple experiences like (1:05:38) that but I didn’t know to look for that so I didn’t see it right so it makes (1:05:44) sense that we all have this pretty caught almost like a precognitive ability (1:05:49) in some way so do you think that this relates to the fact that experts say we (1:05:55) don’t use 90% of our brain do you think that that’s a correlative statement no (1:06:02) well I feel like there’s a lot of I feel like that’s a very generic statement (1:06:06) like defund the police like I feel like it it’s nuanced right that we there are (1:06:12) probably processes in the brain that we don’t know control something but it’s (1:06:18) still being used right but we don’t actively process more than 10% with 10% (1:06:22) of our brain or is it that experts neurologists etc don’t understand 90% of (1:06:30) the brain yet to be part of that I think I think when they say the 10% thing I (1:06:35) think that’s memory and cognition like actual thinking while shit yeah like (1:06:40) horsepower now well I don’t think well I think those are those are the other (1:06:42) thing I’m thinking like memory problem-solving yes decision-making (1:06:47) problem-solving that’s that’s where I feel like the 10% I feel like there’s a (1:06:51) lot of things that are like our auto our auto breathing that’s not that’s used by (1:06:57) the brain but is that something they consider as part of the 10% or is that (1:07:01) just yeah that’s a good question I don’t know so it is a little nuanced in the (1:07:05) question but we obviously don’t know everything the brain does true or what (1:07:12) or what controls what exactly all the time true so lastly well after are you (1:07:21) done with the random number thing yeah okay isn’t that is that what we cover (1:07:26) we covered them all right yes the light the number the lamp lamp and the glow (1:07:31) and the glow and the world all the world all over the world just to put a pin in (1:07:39) that I would like to attest that I personally feel like sometimes I am that (1:07:45) random number generator because I sent you and I have both talked about our (1:07:48) sensing of other people’s feelings yeah and sensing of other people’s emotions (1:07:52) or whatever so doesn’t that make sense I mean it makes sense to me I don’t know (1:07:56) how it could affect a physical system like a computer but I certainly know how (1:08:00) it affects an emotional system like myself but they’re deaf they’re saying (1:08:03) that it does right I’m not I’m just saying I don’t I haven’t had the direct (1:08:07) experience of that I have had the direct experience of getting when when our when (1:08:13) our dog passed yeah a few months ago yeah yeah I remember talking to Meg Z and (1:08:16) I’m right I don’t know why I’m crying right now but something is really off (1:08:23) and he died the next day it’s like yeah you know no not even that I felt that (1:08:29) because I felt that multiple times in my life but that I felt compelled to tell her (1:08:32) that day that one event I was told to tell right like it had to be that event (1:08:38) that I felt it because if I if I did it two weeks ago when I felt it and nothing (1:08:42) would have happened for two weeks like that’s too far apart in my opinion to (1:08:46) really correlate the two yeah I know I understand anyway so what do we have (1:08:53) next after that next is dr.Imoto the Japanese gentleman that frozen water (1:09:05) experiment yeah it’s amazing because a friend of mine has his book and showed (1:09:10) it to me twice in the past two months so then I’m watching this documentary and (1:09:14) then there there he is and then they show his water crystals underneath the (1:09:19) microscope and I’m like hey I know that guy hey I know his work so what he did (1:09:26) was in one case they took two bottles of water and they took two post-it notes (1:09:33) and on one post that they put they wrote love and one this was not in the (1:09:36) documentary this was on the book and one post that they wrote hate and they put (1:09:40) the post-it notes on the water and over time they showed the molecular structure (1:09:46) of the water and how the love post-it made these beautiful amazing structures (1:09:54) that were just gorgeous and light and beautiful and then the one that said (1:09:58) hate made these ugly horrible looking figures so how do you just the word (1:10:07) alone has power and they showed on the show how consciousness can affect when (1:10:15) you can affect water or liquid where you present positive thoughts to water it (1:10:24) creates these beautiful images to go even outside of that I don’t know we you (1:10:29) and I have a list of topics we do on our when we’re you know hey what do we want (1:10:34) to talk about Amado’s on there oh really yeah he’s he was he’s probably in (1:10:40) the first page if not second okay I we have 11 pages of just lines of yeah I (1:10:45) have XYZ right yeah Amado’s on there I remember when I first came across that (1:10:51) and I was early in my epiphany world like when I’m starting to research like (1:10:54) dig deep into the spiritual world I really bought into that I pumped the (1:11:00) break since I feel like it’s a little too easy because they chose which (1:11:06) crystalline to share in the picture oh yeah who’s to say the crystalline next (1:11:11) to it was ugly and they just chose the ugly one and not a pretty one because if (1:11:18) it was water and frozen some of them may have right I’m not saying it’s not a (1:11:24) thing I understand your point we just need a pump I was the doubting Thomas (1:11:28) what is going on here it’s not about doubting man it’s about vetting I want (1:11:32) to confirm that that’s the case I don’t do this to debunk I do this to bunk we (1:11:39) love bunk we love bunking I hate debunking right I want to believe all (1:11:44) this stuff however we do need to slightly take a step back at times (1:11:49) because I did start with that a model book and I know exactly what you’re (1:11:52) talking I even took it out checked it out of the Burton bar library and looked at (1:11:56) it went through the whole page I went wow that’s really interesting and then I (1:11:59) went online and I saw some other things going people try to recreate it and they (1:12:03) had all different types of shapes and all different whatever’s right and it got (1:12:07) even the book got crazy we’re like it was something yelling it was like they (1:12:10) had audio correct right and it was audio is post it was written prayer water that (1:12:15) was prayed yes prayed after was this beautiful line lined up crystalline (1:12:22) structure yet before the prayer was just like shapeless and odd and get (1:12:28) molecules yeah so what are your thoughts about that first of all in the book they (1:12:34) did show a picture of water subjected to heavy metal music and I was like hey (1:12:39) that’s fucked up because that’s not pretty secondarily you can’t I don’t (1:12:45) think you can underestimate the power of positive thought if you can hey man I’m (1:12:51) gonna I want to get this job I’m gonna do you know I’m this I’m gonna do this (1:12:55) this is my goal I can do it yeah hell yeah I can do it where to the point (1:13:00) where you can convince yourself that you will do it you’re I mean basically you’re (1:13:05) manifesting something right I don’t think you can underestimate that I agree (1:13:09) but Henry Ford said that right whether you believe you can or can’t you’re (1:13:13) right yeah there you go right that’s really what it is but but but power (1:13:17) positive thinking and and getting yourself psyched up to do something is (1:13:22) slightly different than an inanimate thing yeah reacting to an adamant (1:13:27) direction right like me yelling or playing music what so water is inanimate (1:13:33) it’s molecules h2o I mean pure water is two oxygen one hydrogen zero there’s (1:13:40) zero when I say life when I say life it’s not carbon based it’s not silica (1:13:47) based it doesn’t interact with this environment it just is right that (1:13:51) doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a vibration to correct that’s different but it (1:13:56) doesn’t have life per se what’s interesting about the heavy metal stuff (1:14:00) is I’m curious what song it was because some could have been some could have (1:14:07) been like harmonious metal when you hear when you hear harmonies the water reacts (1:14:13) positively right because it could be a harmonic harmonic thing or the message (1:14:20) the intent of the message it’s hard to say right you have to read the (1:14:24) experiment on its own just needs more vetting in my opinion but it’s a really (1:14:28) cool experiment I agree did em show you that book yes of course she did uh yeah (1:14:41) we talked about it several times it’s it was it’s the pictures are amazing it’s (1:14:45) beautiful yeah there was one that had like Hitler Hitler was written on and I (1:14:49) think there’s one something when Hitler was one written on one it was just ugly (1:14:52) and then there was like love obviously thank you gratitude I remember just a (1:14:56) bunch of and you can go on website dr. Emoto has a website em oto I think (1:15:00) that’s correct em correct maybe we’ll put a link or I’ll forget to do it (1:15:05) whichever way yeah I think the most important thing is that the second two (1:15:10) thirds of the show is about humans contacting aliens using thought using (1:15:15) their consciousness yeah that’s the most important that’s the what the show is (1:15:20) about is human alien contact whether it’s a ship or literally an (1:15:27) extraterrestrial standing next to somebody and they talk about vectoring (1:15:31) and how to send how to bring them to us right with the ce5 protocols which stood (1:15:35) for a kind kind app so this is where let so that’s possible okay let’s complete (1:15:46) this conversation because I want it I’ve got some challenges with this (1:15:50) documentary and I don’t want to do it in the midst of it I wonder I want to do it (1:15:54) in as a segment kind of okay so do I think it’s possible that we can cut if (1:16:00) consciousness works the way we’re talking about in this way it should work (1:16:04) when we talk remember the quantum entanglement thing yes okay let me take (1:16:08) two steps back there’s an old gentleman in the show called named Russell Targ he’s (1:16:12) the gray-haired skinny guy yeah we did some ESP and he sounds yeah he has a (1:16:20) TED talk it was banned why you can go online and you can type in Russell Targ (1:16:26) Ted Ted ban Ted talk and there are these things called Ted X which were offshoots (1:16:33) Ted was what’s it franchising out the name yeah so people were doing they were (1:16:38) calling it pseudoscience however it’s like a 15 18 minute thing I watched this (1:16:44) years ago when he came on this documentary I was like so excited (1:16:48) because if you watch that Ted talk I’ll put a link I will put a link for that (1:16:52) one on there but basically he talks about how they did was he was going to (1:16:56) he sent they had pairs of people and they sent one to a location and you know (1:17:02) wherever it was they open up envelope they go to that location and that this (1:17:06) person sends a signal to this person and they draw what they see or they take a (1:17:12) picture of it and then they draw what it is and they line up the pictures holy (1:17:17) fuck like no joke was that that co-locating thing what did they what did (1:17:22) they call it it was a localizing look yes yeah remote viewing is what this one (1:17:29) in this case okay localizing I think was the idea you’re right basically he’s (1:17:34) talking about in the quantum world right quantum quantum mechanics two protons or (1:17:39) photons or protons are combined and tangled you move them really far away (1:17:44) you change the state of this one this one instantaneously changes without (1:17:49) community there’s no wire yeah there’s also a website that I saw where we were (1:17:54) they did a study where they were able to put a bitmap picture black and white (1:17:58) picture on put it on this atom or my molecule and it showed up on that one I (1:18:06) mean I’ve got the I’ve got those yeah and it’s like legit it’s like Stanford (1:18:09) or you know legit sciences here not not some guy in his fucking basement it’s (1:18:14) pretty really interesting but the Russell Targ one you will be convinced (1:18:18) that that guy did it like the way the pictures that he shared and stuff if all (1:18:23) that’s true yeah yes 100% real and that’s what that’s part of my thought (1:18:29) about remember when I I don’t know if you remember when I spoke about psychic (1:18:31) ability it’s my opinion that psychic abilities because we’re all entangled in (1:18:35) some way so when you leave you have a thought that I received because we’re (1:18:41) somehow connected I’m tuned into that part of it and that’s why I’ll text you (1:18:50) something you go shit you know I was just thinking about that mid-tech (1:18:52) because you you were just thinking about it because I was thinking about (1:18:56) it possibly that’s very possible right how I don’t know another way to explain (1:19:02) it and I can tell you that we’ve had enough I’ve personally had enough (1:19:06) experiences and I’m a lucid individual who’s a debunker who likes to vet (1:19:10) everything I’ve had enough experience to be comfortable in saying that this (1:19:14) stuff’s some kind of psychic or whatever ability is real and I’ve experienced it (1:19:20) directly I think you experience it directly yeah but that we need to but (1:19:29) psychic is part of the consciousness in my yes so it’s all kind of one I think (1:19:32) I know I understand I’m thinking specifically about the fact that the (1:19:36) show showed multiple places around the world where groups of people were (1:19:41) gathered together and go into meditation and and call an alien craft to where (1:19:49) they were yeah that’s some crazy shit and that’s that vectoring we talked (1:19:53) about well yeah right so basically what they’re saying the way he was saying was (1:19:57) you find the craft right you go into meditation you then search the universe (1:20:02) for this craft and it pings back in some kind of conscious radar then you slowly (1:20:07) show it where you are and then drill it down on the earth right to earth and (1:20:12) then the state and then the city and then the field and then the mountain (1:20:15) right or whatever yeah ever was but yes it was if these things are real if (1:20:20) these if this video and all that all those videos are actual things it’s (1:20:25) extremely compelling because in theory if we if every organism is tied into one (1:20:38) consciousness then this is possible right well it let’s take a weird step back no (1:20:45) the Big Bang if everything came from a singularity aren’t we technically all (1:20:52) entangled in the first place yeah that which to me is logical right that seems (1:20:57) extremely logical that everything is because it did come from one and that’s (1:21:03) where I feel like religion didn’t get it right I think the concept of a oneness (1:21:08) is correct I just think putting a person in charge of that oneness like putting a (1:21:14) figure on it or calling it a thing is not is not the way it works that’s my (1:21:19) opinion that’s all oh I agree but it’s all correct I think it’s all connected I (1:21:25) think the the the God that others see is the consciousness that you and I (1:21:30) experience it’s just a different name right it’s a different word but but by (1:21:34) putting a word in a label on it you’re now you’re locking it into a place right (1:21:38) Nietzsche said by calling me something you’re negating everything else that I (1:21:42) could be and that’s the problem with God but do you think that quote-unquote do (1:21:53) you think that yeah it was beautiful do you think that dr. Greer has started a (1:21:59) religion it well it is it’s a religion the religion of contacting aliens with (1:22:05) your mind replace God with aliens you have a creator no just yeah they ceded (1:22:11) the earth they’re the ones who made it I know I’m just saying that’s the that’s (1:22:15) the idea right so all they’re doing in my opinion is making one label a (1:22:20) different label it’s aliens not God it’s the same fucking but I don’t think that (1:22:26) aliens I don’t think they think aliens are our Lord and Savior no I mean that’s (1:22:31) a very different God correct I mean an alien is not a God right but when they (1:22:37) create the universe right absolutely it’s my opinion that they are looking at (1:22:42) it from well we’re a hundred years in our technological age about sure 19 let’s (1:22:47) just go back to 1920 okay we had ships we had planes but they were very (1:22:51) rudimentary and whatnot ships were pretty decent because we’ve been doing (1:22:54) that for hundreds of years but planes were still new we’ve gotten better and (1:22:57) better we’ve improved we are now in space flight we’ve done this we’ve done (1:23:00) all that in a hundred years imagine what we could do in a thousand take this (1:23:06) exponential growth and ten times that in an exponential way do it a hundred (1:23:10) times that’s 10,000 right yeah do it a million years we’ve got the the the (1:23:16) universe is up to between 12 and 14 billion years old from our current (1:23:20) understanding the earth is 4 billion the oldest homo erectus that we’ve seen is (1:23:27) this new person they just unearthed her I think and she’s like 4.5 million years (1:23:33) so that’s a million but it’s a it’s an erect thing with an opposable toe so (1:23:39) it’s still can it’s really interesting it was on Rogan okay but the guy the (1:23:43) guy who they discovered it you know it’s remember what’s Lucy and the other one (1:23:47) like yeah yeah I remember Lucy yeah it’s old like a million year predates Lucy (1:23:51) Wow I think it’s aren’t Arnie I think sure whatever yeah but take that now (1:23:57) take another civilization that doesn’t blow itself up and is a million years (1:24:03) older than us then our current self yes because it’s been around for billion I (1:24:09) mean it could it was a further civilization right it just was earlier (1:24:12) it longer to develop right longer develop so where do you think what do you (1:24:17) think we could do with all that yeah so do you think because dr.Greer said that (1:24:21) the civilizations that are contacting us that we are contacting are between 500 (1:24:26) million and a billion years old do you think that that’s accurate I don’t know (1:24:30) the number I know he threw numbers out but I don’t want to do that I just what (1:24:33) he said I’m right but I just want to look at the lot is it logical is his (1:24:37) does his argument hold water yeah and the answer is yes because what we’ve (1:24:42) done in a hundred years like I said yeah I might extrapolate it I get it yeah (1:24:46) yeah his his philosophy can hold water yes I just don’t know if it’s true right (1:24:53) I mean he could be lying about all of it yeah that’s all I’m saying the idea of a (1:25:01) longer civilization than us or older as long as it doesn’t destroy itself that’s (1:25:05) why I wanted to talk about Drake equation but I think we’ll do a separate (1:25:08) on Drake yeah because Drake equations basically the number of advanced (1:25:11) civilizations that could possibly be out in the universe it’s more of a thought (1:25:15) experiment than it is like an actual equation but it’s very interesting to (1:25:18) look at all the different parts of the equation which I would like to do that (1:25:22) that’s why hey hey we’re just staying on target right that down right down (1:25:27) already it’s in is it okay just I’m just checking I believe it’s I believe it (1:25:35) goes dr. Amato gadget then gadget I’ll get you got ya know it’s it’s got dr. (1:25:43) moto and then Drake equations right below okay no it’s alphabetical so Drake (1:25:46) then dot a moto okay I don’t know hey it’s on there though but (1:25:51) basically that’s what what they’re saying is like think about how far we go (1:25:55) as long as we don’t push like have a nuclear meltdown an asteroid blow (1:25:59) ourselves up with nuclear detonation whatever global famine war disease (1:26:04) whatever as long as the earth and the humanity stays the way it is and advances (1:26:10) the way it does in 50 years I mean I can’t even I don’t I can’t fathom what (1:26:15) we could do in 50 years well you could you if you do the math you go in the (1:26:23) last hundred years we did this where we did this exponential rate so 50 yeah the (1:26:30) next 50 it’s gonna extrapolate that out right it does it doubles every two years (1:26:35) yeah and but we’re at a point because right the size of the chip and the (1:26:39) spacing between whatever however this is the problem you can’t even could you (1:26:45) fathom a cell phone 150 years oh no right so even saying that we’re gonna get (1:26:50) smarter yeah we know that well but what does what does that intelligence come out (1:26:55) in a consumer product for example or in a result what is the result I see that (1:26:59) and that’s where I have a problem is because I can’t say we’re gonna be (1:27:02) smarter in 50 years we might be more technologically advanced which I imagine (1:27:06) we would be doesn’t mean we’re gonna be smarter we may have the knowledge (1:27:09) around right now like there was 50 years ago right so what’s that the s-word is (1:27:15) rough man but there is an overall there there are there what’s the name of that (1:27:20) one where the IQ as a whole has all shifted up even it’s all shifted up even (1:27:27) though we still fucking morons because you and the lowest is still low yeah (1:27:32) there’s still a great divide between the haves and have-nots what are you talking (1:27:37) about haves and have-nots IQ intellectual intellectual not IQ because IQ can be (1:27:41) biased but IQ tends to be that weird yeah right we I’ve I’ve correlated IQ (1:27:50) with fucking and fighting yeah as a world as a globe fucking and fighting is (1:27:55) down this has nothing to do with aliens no but it’s about intelligence as a whole (1:28:00) as we’ve gotten more intelligent as a world I believe the fighting and the (1:28:04) fornicator and children have actually gone the birth rate has gone down and the (1:28:08) amount of actual fighting we’re probably one of the most peaceful times (1:28:12) it doesn’t feel it no social media but we are correct Steven Pinker deaths (1:28:17) Steven bullets and shit that’s by bullets famine global poverty is up twenty (1:28:23) thirty percent like Steven Pinker has a real we should I’ll put that on my no (1:28:27) he’s on there too he’s on he’s on the list what is Meg’s II cooking it’s (1:28:30) delicious do you want to know dear God are you gonna have it with us what you (1:28:38) want some yanked what you want some yanked I would love my pork yanked or (1:28:42) something hello to the world would you like to have would you like to have (1:28:45) pulled pork with Christopher myself so I know these all kind of conflate but like (1:28:51) this thing is all this documentary is almost an encompassing of so many (1:28:56) different philosophies that you and I have had interest in but it’s not the (1:29:01) just I’m gonna talk over you right quick it’s not just the philosophies it’s the (1:29:05) philosophies but they’re all pointed to communication between humans and (1:29:10) aliens well for him yes well that’s what the whole thing’s about no no that’s (1:29:14) what the documentary is about yeah I’m just saying though but a global (1:29:17) consciousness these ideas these thoughts about us growing as a civilization (1:29:22) ourselves is also part of that whole thing like how are we have the (1:29:26) consciousness to bring these people in yeah right because he said that you’re (1:29:33) gonna need 75 million people or 1% of the globe to to get to that (1:29:40) consciousness level to change everything that I don’t like that answer I don’t (1:29:46) like what he said there I there are there’s some point I’ve got some real (1:29:49) issues with this documentary.Oh my God you’re dying to debunk some shit. I know but I want to get (1:29:52) through this other stuff so let’s put a pin in that let’s put a pin in the 1% (1:29:56) because if you want to talk about that. No.All right so watching the whole thing taking the (1:30:04) notes the way you did what is your overall feeling of the validity of (1:30:08) everything he says or what parts do you are you all in on someone in not at all (1:30:16) I’m not at all in on some of the videos and some of the pictures they he says oh (1:30:23) this is a alien creature blah blah blah with blah blah blah dude seriously that’s (1:30:29) just the somebody moved a flashlight and you the exposure was left open on the (1:30:34) camera dust on light yeah like the the one with the arrows sticking that was (1:30:39) that looked like hand-drawn I’m sorry just looked hand-drawn it did not look (1:30:46) structured did not look like a being the way they were talking about it being a (1:30:49) right but the gentleman they were interviewing if his story is true and (1:30:55) what he believes we don’t know now we’re in a belief right no but yes if he (1:31:01) believes what he saw right and if it’s true if that picture is real like it (1:31:05) expose the way it did that is a very compelling picture yes I mean many of (1:31:10) the pictures many of the videos are compelling if true the changing of (1:31:13) direction of say a craft yeah the the one that gets me is always got me was the (1:31:18) NASA one you’ve got this lighting this ball that goes this way a flash it darts (1:31:23) this way and then something comes up yeah out of the earth because they were (1:31:26) saying that humans shot tried to shoot down an alien spacecraft and he says they (1:31:35) have multiple times yes and we have never they’ve never attacked us their (1:31:39) piece he’s making very bold claims about a civilization of which he does not 100% (1:31:46) understand well we really don’t understand 100% of anything dude right (1:31:51) but my point about this is like he’s he’s assuming peaceful just because they (1:31:56) have an attack but maybe it just doesn’t matter to them because we’re not worth (1:32:02) it right maybe we’re not or maybe we are right we don’t he’s assuming that they (1:32:06) think we’re worth it and they’re trying to protect us but that is a very big (1:32:11) step from a visitation or a non-aggressive act true right I just (1:32:19) feel like he’s making very liberal jumps with his science in this case you use (1:32:26) air quotes a lot today I know your fingers are time fingers hurt you know (1:32:30) I got rheumatoid I got a little RA rheumatoid arthritis over day that said (1:32:35) I I in dr. Greer’s head I feel like he’s gone down his own rabbit hole too far (1:32:40) that’s my concern about him that’s why I asked if you thought it was a religion (1:32:43) right and that it is however I never finished answering your question my am I (1:32:49) allowed to interrupt you like an asshole why I interrupt you all the time okay so (1:32:55) just go back to your question what do I believe what am I in and what am I not (1:33:03) in on on this documentary I’m in on the real possibility that consciousness is a (1:33:12) universal truth because it makes sense that we everything shares molecules (1:33:19) trees rocks humans cars everything is a molecular structure so the idea of a (1:33:27) universal consciousness I think is a real thing and that’s the foundation of (1:33:31) his belief his thought right the foundation of the documentary is (1:33:35) universal consciousness I believe that could be a real thing so to me that (1:33:41) holds water which means that’s a solid foundation of possibility so everything (1:33:47) he’s built on that can be real my issues with some of the pictures and (1:33:53) videos are questionable my issue with the part you talk is I feel like he came (1:34:02) up with the consciousness as an answer after he felt aliens were real and I (1:34:06) don’t think I don’t think he went the right direction it’s like he had the (1:34:10) answer and then he tried to explain the answer I see I see he’s saying it’s my (1:34:16) opinion that he came into this because we’re finding the documentaries tend to (1:34:20) have agendas they’re not exactly like here facts and just look at it remember (1:34:23) yeah I was definitely one-sided right he it’s my opinion that he goes in saying I (1:34:29) can contact aliens they can come visit me they’re all peaceful and we’re making (1:34:34) them out to be bad people and we shouldn’t and then throwing in the (1:34:38) consciousness as well we’re all part of the universe and they’re noticing it so (1:34:42) he’s he’s putting a personality to the to the alien that he doesn’t know exists (1:34:48) or doesn’t exist and that’s callous well he believes they exist right but that’s (1:34:51) not a science that is a religion to your point a cult right well I mean a religion (1:34:58) is a belief in or is an organized thing of a higher power of some sort he’s (1:35:04) making the aliens the higher power and he but we people are consciousness is (1:35:09) the higher power right but you know and use the consciousness that he’s never (1:35:13) really talked God much he didn’t know God much at all I think God came up one (1:35:16) time in somebody’s a couple of you a couple times but he did not bring that (1:35:20) up correct so so we have to be very careful with that now that all said I (1:35:27) agree with you it’s my opinion currently with the information that you and I have (1:35:32) had in the experience that we had that there is some kind of consciousness out (1:35:35) there that we can pick up on there’s a energy something I don’t I don’t know (1:35:38) because we picked up on it so it in my opinion is real is it global universal I (1:35:45) don’t know the scope of it but at least on earth for sure it exists because (1:35:53) we’ve had these experiences outside of that though this is where I get is where (1:35:59) I get a little weird oh okay I feel like dr. Greer has has been on the side of a (1:36:08) lot of these people exposing these things and the side that he’s on is (1:36:13) initially was the exposure but now he’s kind of taking his little for lack of a (1:36:19) better term cult sect into yes sect of it right Catholicism he became Lutheran (1:36:24) and now he’s broken off of the there they exist and now saying well they’re (1:36:29) peaceful they’re not they’re not you know the one sect believes that they’re (1:36:33) a threat or wants them to believe they’re a threat because they’re (1:36:36) telling us what to believe right like all the government people they’re saying (1:36:41) they’re they’re dangerous right they’re a threat to national security but he (1:36:47) doesn’t believe that it’s just a different belief we have no yeah one way (1:36:50) or the other correct it’s his opinion now it could just be they’re so fucking (1:36:55) ahead of us that we don’t matter or that they know that we that they were where (1:37:01) we are now and they want to help us get to the next level which is also is a (1:37:07) good theory and holds water how do you test that that’s the problem with stuff (1:37:12) like this is there’s it’s like we’ve had how many times that we said we’ve had (1:37:15) ideas and whatnot but it’s untestable so we can’t say for sure there’s no way (1:37:20) to test what what we’ve experienced right yes I found a lot of the videos (1:37:27) compelling if they were real to your point I don’t know the two the two (1:37:33) glowing Sun almost read in the beach where North Carolina and and don’t give (1:37:37) me this his laser signal the other guy no he used a laser pointer show where it (1:37:41) was yes signal I thought that was callous to like he was signaling now that (1:37:49) all said this is what concerns me I okay these guys vectored a man why (1:37:53) didn’t they come closer you know exactly where they’re at once you’re that (1:37:58) close wouldn’t you think you’d be dialed into their consciousness directly and be (1:38:02) like I’ll come close even closer for you guys why would it be so far in the (1:38:07) distance yeah I thought that too I think that’s a good point that’s one that does (1:38:13) concern because you talked about vectoring the man and I’m like okay well (1:38:16) you got him to the ocean you got him to whatever it’s like that’s in the distance (1:38:19) I can see the ones overhead because they’re flying overhead probably (1:38:22) checking out but there are some that are really far away what would keep what (1:38:26) would compel tell compel them to keep their distance I don’t know fear of us (1:38:35) yeah I mean because they did say that they he did say that governments have (1:38:44) shot down alien spacecraft so is there a fear is there an alien fear of that or (1:38:51) not yeah that’s the question right but if there was a fear of that once one of (1:38:59) them was shot down now it’s kind of weird right like Stephen Stephen Hawking (1:39:06) made a really good point like when we talked about this when a higher (1:39:10) civilization visits a quote-unquote lesser and I’ve done it again air quotes (1:39:15) look at that it’s gonna be the air quote episode shit when a when a higher (1:39:20) civilization meets a lesser civilization yeah how did it go for the lesser (1:39:24) civilization never goes well never right because there’s a conquest there’s an (1:39:28) overrunning of that it just it just does because that’s what progress does right (1:39:33) it steamrolls over whatever is existing because it’s bigger better can’t be (1:39:37) stopped why hasn’t that happened yet well why is it that that is even a (1:39:42) question because the the steamrolling of smaller empires whatever we’re doing (1:39:48) Americans yeah no I’m for example it goes on and on and on right so that’s a (1:39:55) human thing right that may not be an extraterrestrial thing right they may not (1:40:00) give a shit right and that’s they may not be a threat and that’s where the (1:40:03) hope comes in right is that we are at the lower level of consciousness (1:40:07) currently we’re just at the beginning and even had that little scale of (1:40:11) material consciousness versus global consciousness right material (1:40:15) consciousness was about us needing our money our clothes our food whatever when (1:40:20) we get to the point yeah Star Trek right when we get to the point of global (1:40:23) consciousness those don’t matter because every but everyone’s base needs need to (1:40:27) be taken care of first correct and that’s not you can’t move everyone (1:40:32) forward until everyone’s at the same starting point you can’t move all (1:40:38) together for right the thing about the 1% I think I don’t there’s no science of (1:40:45) that he said that approximately 1% of a population was sent was 2,000 people were (1:40:51) praying in a population of 20,000 meditating meditating in but praying is (1:40:57) it is intent it’s it’s based on meditation with intent I say I say (1:41:00) praying for lack of a better term but it’s it’s meditating with intent which (1:41:03) is basically what you’re basically asking for things okay but it’s not (1:41:06) praying in the sense of the word no it’s not do you know it so well but it’s (1:41:12) setting an intent is I want I want peace yes I want greatness I want health I want (1:41:18) and happy positive thoughts for everyone around them right it’s just what we (1:41:23) consider it’s a different kind of praying it’s just not praying to it’s (1:41:26) not praying to anyone it’s just positive thoughts right which basically (1:41:29) praying is setting an intention of some sort like I want this person to get (1:41:33) better yeah I want this person to you know get the job they just interviewed (1:41:38) for whatever yeah that’s the consciousness that I think works right it (1:41:43) seems to be now I just don’t know if 1% where the whole world will change right (1:41:47) they did show that hydrogen yes with helium liquid helium hydrogen hydrogen (1:41:53) and then 1% then they all like lined up yes have you ever heard about the (1:41:57) hundredth monkey yes okay do you know enough about it to talk about no basically (1:42:03) a sect of monkeys this one woman was teaching her monkey children how to wash (1:42:10) potatoes and they taught their own people but then at some point there was (1:42:14) a critical mass where all of a sudden all of the all of the monkeys and even not (1:42:19) there we’re washing the sweet potatoes and that’s the collective consciousness (1:42:24) and that’s kind of that thing we talked about at the 1% we think whatever that (1:42:27) number is that it goes like that to the threshold right and then it just what’s (1:42:32) it snow snowballs yeah so it’s very it’s very possible but the this is where the (1:42:40) problem is though he talks about humanity and how great it is and how like how he (1:42:44) wants us to be part of it right did you look up the see if I that no I didn’t (1:42:49) want to it’s $9.99 right there it’s gonna cost you 10 bucks 10 bucks act (1:42:59) aliens to even to be on the c5 contact app right then hold on then I looked at (1:43:05) c5 handbook an easy-to-use guide to help you contact extraterrestrial life on (1:43:10) paperback $13.99 on Amazon $0.99 on Kindle so he never shared as an (1:43:17) altruistic thing here are the ways to get the aliens to come visit you he’s (1:43:24) selling it it’s an infomercial in my opinion and I know that sounds horrible (1:43:29) no but in today’s world it feels like an infomercial at the very end of the show (1:43:36) when he said yeah there’s an app I went what what and then yeah I’m gonna pull (1:43:46) it up for you please don’t yeah I am don’t do it go ahead man talk some more (1:43:50) I don’t want to talk anymore so overall would you what did you get would you (1:43:55) what were your vibes of this show um well I don’t I don’t want to say he gave (1:44:01) the human race too much credit because he did he did talk about $9.99 great he (1:44:06) did talk about that we’re we’re polluting the oceans and we’re burning (1:44:13) coal and we’re burning fossil fuels and we’re destroying the planet so we you (1:44:17) know we need to get away from that well no shit that’s no that we do need yes of (1:44:22) course we should don’t we always try to be better I mean yeah what’s funny is we (1:44:27) talk battery right I second we went to battery I said what about the materials (1:44:33) for the battery because the battery lithium-ion goes away over time right or (1:44:37) it gets used up lithium-ion batteries like battery just generally batteries (1:44:41) yeah it’s like Elon Tesla’s a great example for a fucking electric car the (1:44:47) battery pack they drill to get fucking lithium-ion or lithium out of the ground (1:44:53) yeah they’re not those processes to get lithium out of the ground is probably (1:44:59) worse than the burning of the fucking oil like it’s that fucking detrimental (1:45:03) to the environment to its to the location where it happens not only that they’re (1:45:08) fighting over mineral rights so there’s war there’s conflict just to get the (1:45:12) fucking materials to get away from the thing that we’re doing which we’re (1:45:15) doing anyway do you anything positive to say today I do I’m excited can I hear (1:45:19) that please what part what what was not pop give me something give me something (1:45:24) I didn’t say one positive thing maybe I’m negative nilly today dr.Steven (1:45:30) in great shape he was very fit he’s be settled I find him very intelligent and (1:45:36) I do I do think he went in initially the right way and I think he I think he’s so (1:45:44) he’s a flat he’s the flat earther of UFOs like he’s like the poster child for (1:45:51) the tinfoil people on the on the alien side I feel you just got pulled in very (1:45:57) deeply like it’s like when we start believing conspiracy then he jumped in (1:46:01) right and this is this is his own rabbit hole right but we did we do that right (1:46:06) we’ve we do that all the time you and I go down our rabbit holes but we pull (1:46:09) ourselves out because we know that if we allow ourselves to hang around there too (1:46:14) much it could it could consume us I feel like it’s consumed him I’m thinking I (1:46:22) know sorry about that it’s okay I want you to think no I yeah that’s perfect (1:46:26) yeah I got nothing what are the bunks do you have well just the just they were (1:46:37) gonna charge right and there’s a prime version that’s free but all the other (1:46:40) ones I grant it’s like if you’re really can’t consider if because he talked (1:46:45) about the you know the world taking over and controlling and money and power and (1:46:50) all the shit and then he sells his fucking app and now I get it everyone (1:46:54) must make a living that’s not what I’m saying but the guy’s got enough (1:46:57) credibility start his own podcast and monetize that or do something else give (1:47:00) this away you’re saying this is the key to all of it and you’re gonna still sell (1:47:05) it what does that say about you in my opinion does that make you think any (1:47:11) differently about I see your point I absolutely see your point so tell me (1:47:16) more all I do is talk and then you interrupt me (1:47:19) I bastard how dare you how could you say such a thing to me you high IQ (1:47:26) motherfucker IQ to bro you got high Q what I’ve got (1:47:30) whoredash on my I’m excited uber fucks bro that’s gonna be a free app by the (1:47:35) way oh it’s not $9.99 is gonna cause money come down to my infomercial the (1:47:40) app it’s free I don’t have anything else sir all right I do I absolutely see your (1:47:48) point that it did derail the last five minutes when they said oh we have an app (1:47:56) by my book I was like oh fuck there’s an app the second I saw that there were (1:48:01) protocols I typed I googled that the second while it was still on and I’m (1:48:05) like I was already disheartened earlier earlier so I already looked at it with (1:48:10) more what does it does it talk about what the protocols are no it doesn’t they (1:48:13) don’t pay for them correct that’s the thing there’s not yeah okay it’s 99 (1:48:18) cents or on the free app on Kindle on the ce5 handbook okay great but the apps (1:48:24) $10 and that’s where you get the groups together that I looked up ce5 meetup on (1:48:28) meetup dot you know meet yes whatever I didn’t see one I I saw a move on and (1:48:32) some other UFO move on to mutual UFO network okay that’s em UFO in but (1:48:39) there’s all these other ones there’s alien you know they have alien meetup (1:48:42) groups or whatever I didn’t see a ce5 one because I feel like they’re trying to (1:48:46) get you into their group once again I don’t like a single entity overseeing (1:48:53) all under it if that makes sense you mean like how there’s no check around (1:48:57) he he alluded to a one-world government and then he has one app that one app (1:49:02) right that would control them all and see and that’s the thing you and I look (1:49:07) behind that Lord of the apps do well we look behind the veil stop it you and I (1:49:11) immediately smell that as just I didn’t disingenuous but you do now that I (1:49:15) mention it I didn’t until the when he says there’s an app and I was like right (1:49:20) I heard it way earlier than you did I was like what I did that knowing I just (1:49:25) did that assuming that the worst in him and unfortunately he’s a Christian I I (1:49:34) I’m not calling him a bad person I’m just saying it’s very it’s how easy is (1:49:39) it for me is like hey your government is okay I want to start a third party in (1:49:45) the United States right so I go your government your left and right side no (1:49:49) you need a middle I’m gonna be your middle and you all come to me well now (1:49:53) you’re just you’re what they were I understand like it now that might just (1:49:58) be the way the world works because we we haven’t gotten beyond the consciousness (1:50:01) in the right way because that’s the only way that things move forward is with (1:50:05) money power and fame right or whatever yeah yeah (1:50:11) but isn’t that what we’re supposed to is kind of like Gandhi talking about being (1:50:14) the change you want to see in the world if you want to see people giving then you (1:50:20) must give didn’t you beat his wife no he let his wife die okay of malaria or (1:50:26) something remember that story yes do you ever watch Russell Brands this is a (1:50:31) direct correlation tangent ah yes have you ever seen Russell Brands Messiah (1:50:36) complex yeah okay that’s one of my watch it again it was super funny that was one (1:50:42) of my favorite comedies ever because he basically he takes four figures in the (1:50:47) world Jesus Gandhi Chavo Guerra and somebody else right and he basically says (1:50:55) how he’s each of them but he does it in the funniest the Gandhi one because he’s (1:51:00) like he holds his wife in front of him like right remember the story behind (1:51:03) that yes it’s I just haven’t seen the Messiah in so long that right so Gandhi’s (1:51:08) wife gets sick and hit in jail and the British is in India she’s prisoned (1:51:16) they’re like we have it’s it was fucking antibiotics I think was right it was (1:51:20) something fucking simple and he’s like our faith doesn’t believe that yeah and (1:51:24) then he gets sick and he takes it he takes the medication right so the (1:51:31) question is was he holding everyone in front of him while he’s doing he’s a (1:51:35) fucking liar bullshit backstabbing artist is he a con artist right or did (1:51:40) he really know that him being alive was gonna be the greater good no right which (1:51:45) one was it wasn’t his survival don’t you think like he’s still a human he’s still (1:51:50) got a little bit that quotes pretty amazing right but it’s like saying I (1:51:53) can’t it’s like saying I can’t make change in the government so I get (1:51:56) elected but I do anything to get elected yeah you lose yourself to fucking make (1:52:01) your soul yeah I understand so that’s that’s nothing to do with communicating (1:52:05) with aliens with your brain no but it does have to do with humanity about (1:52:09) giving it away it has to do with Greer as a person shouldn’t he want to give it (1:52:15) away and then ask for donations if you felt it was powerful like wouldn’t that (1:52:19) be hey guys I have a patreon account I’m giving you this app if you find value (1:52:27) feel please donate and help us recoup those costs but I’m not making you pay (1:52:32) for it I understand wouldn’t that message be (1:52:39) wouldn’t it stick better yeah obviously obviously don’t go back to me bro (1:52:49) no me bro obviously you would stick better of course so you’re painting him (1:52:55) as a used car salesman well you just said at the end you like oh others an app (1:52:59) well I heard I heard c5 protocol early and I went there must be protocols then (1:53:04) they must be written down out there on his website they’re just published I (1:53:07) thought honestly I got his website would have this is how you do it this is how (1:53:12) you get in touch with local people right like there would be some kind of (1:53:15) network no it’s all through the app yeah right right and it’s 10 bucks to get (1:53:19) see I thought it when they said protocols I went oh okay there’s a way (1:53:22) to do this then they’re gonna tell us later on in the show how to do it right (1:53:27) and then that didn’t happen I so I assumed that that wasn’t gonna you jump (1:53:32) to the conclusion way before me well just you know mean like if I have if I (1:53:35) have a computer in my lap I’m looking up stuff as stuff’s being told to me (1:53:38) cuz I you can’t stop do you sleep with your laptop I sleep with Meg does it (1:53:45) keep you warm at night Meg’s he keeps him warm at night Meg’s his laptop okay (1:53:49) great blind dog keeps me awake at night no but Meg’s he keeps him warm okay (1:53:57) anyway so that was it what else you got debunker no I mean bunker calm I haven’t (1:54:01) debunked any of it I’m just saying I feel like he took a couple jumps from (1:54:05) science to he took a leap he took leaps of faith he really did I mean I know (1:54:12) that just it but he took leaps of faith in my opinion on some of the concepts (1:54:17) some of it in my opinion I’ve experienced so I can tell you what (1:54:21) Russell Tarr did target I think it is and go watch that TEDx it’s fucking (1:54:28) amazing it really is amazing how the drawings and what the picture was of (1:54:33) what it was was amazing it it does blow your mind if all that is real but I do (1:54:39) believe that it is my opinion that consciousness happens psychic abilities (1:54:45) are real the people who have this is the challenge if you’re when he talks about (1:54:50) good intent if you have a clear good mind they’re more likely to come yes well (1:54:55) it would make sense that the CIA struggles because they don’t come from a (1:54:58) mind of goodness and whatever they come from mind of ultimately coming to (1:55:02) control and I would guess that that feel of the vibration of that sending out (1:55:07) that signal would have that stink to it of like negativity we’re not doing it (1:55:11) for the greater good we’re doing it for the greater you know for our good yes (1:55:15) personal selfish intentions personal gain why not yeah so that’s just my (1:55:20) thought on that anything else you’d like to talk about this at the other (1:55:24) this that and the other no what’s interesting to me yes is that we like I (1:55:32) said I’m not we’re not gonna oversell anything but we have we are working on (1:55:37) getting some guests on here that’s that Greer seems to oppose oppose or say (1:55:46) like the intent but I feel like they were together at one point yes I agree (1:55:50) and that’s you know it’s almost like the sex of a religion right like yes they (1:55:54) separated I broke off because I didn’t believe in this yeah I wanted to get (1:55:58) divorced so I left I the Church of England boom right and some of those (1:56:02) people who feel like it’s a threat all they’re doing I feel like they’re coming (1:56:06) more from science than than Greer is and the reason I say is because they’re (1:56:10) saying we do not know right he’s assuming they’re good just because they (1:56:14) haven’t done anything bad yet yeah they may be assuming they’re bad but they’re (1:56:19) they’re just saying we’re not sure and we’re not sure what it is to begin with (1:56:22) is it Chinese Russian another country is it is it of this earth or is it above us (1:56:29) well how the hell did the United States not get this technology right like let’s (1:56:32) be honest we’re we come from a pretty centrist centrist thought that we’re (1:56:38) like the ship right so when we see something that’s above what we’ve (1:56:42) currently done we’re pretty much afraid of it right away how do we not know that (1:56:49) they the ETS have no mal intent because they told dr. Greer and all of those (1:56:57) people the other consciousness communication he said that was the other (1:57:02) thing he made a lot of it implicates like no when they turn off the missile (1:57:07) silo it’s like they’re telling us they want us to be peaceful bro you’re not (1:57:12) the missile silo engineer told him that’s what he said he told him once (1:57:18) again like there’s not a second there’s not a second set of data to corroborate (1:57:23) it’s like the Bible sir I hate to say it but there’s not a second document that (1:57:29) corroborates the first document story he’s saying that that’s how they felt (1:57:33) and who knows by the time you hone that story you know you work all those words (1:57:37) out to make it sound just right it’s not I’m not saying he’s intentionally (1:57:44) being manipulative however I think he’s definitely to make taking some liberties (1:57:49) with his assumptions about what things are it talked to me and said this okay (1:57:53) maybe you just felt peace maybe you just felt that and you’re saying that that’s (1:57:56) what they sent you but you don’t know once again just like consciousness you (1:57:59) don’t know you don’t know where the thought comes from do you really know (1:58:02) that it’s from outer to in cuz how many times have I have I have I said I have a (1:58:08) thing that just popped in my head but I don’t know if it came from outside or if (1:58:12) it was my internal thought and then it’s something precognitive and then it (1:58:15) happens you’re like obviously in hindsight it was not it was outside but I (1:58:19) don’t know that when it happens if that makes sense yeah what are your thoughts (1:58:24) on that I don’t have any why why are you giving me the tongue bro you’re (1:58:34) disgusting I see your point regarding your it would be a challenge to (1:58:41) determine where that thoughts coming from is it from yourself or did you (1:58:45) pick that up from somebody else is it a feeling that you’re hey somebody makes (1:58:49) he’s not feeling good I’m picking up on that that’s what I see what you’re (1:58:53) saying I get your point and in that case do I do I think that that Greer’s like (1:58:57) a an evil person no I don’t get that sense if that makes sense if that makes (1:59:03) any yes I understand coherence yeah but I I just just really we need more (1:59:10) science because this borderline borders on a religion I remember DSP dr. smarty (1:59:17) pants when I was doing my NLP therapy yeah he was talking about cuz we were (1:59:22) talking about God right he works with a lot of Mormons worth of Christians he (1:59:25) works with children of Mormons imagine having to work with that shit but he was (1:59:31) talking about that he’s like basically you’re replacing God with aliens cuz (1:59:35) you’re saying yes you know it is really kind of the same because it’s a higher (1:59:39) power even that you can’t you can’t the Creator I understand I understand it’s (1:59:48) not an exact overlay what I’m saying is for people who don’t believe in the (1:59:52) Creator yeah this is the next best thing yeah this is the closest thing to God (1:59:57) yes an advanced civilization that’s been here longer that just knows how to (2:00:00) do it more may I ask you a couple questions before we call it a day yes (2:00:04) what are your thoughts on dimensions and all this interdimensional stuff we’re in (2:00:08) and out of in and out of this dimension what are your thoughts about that speed (2:00:12) of light and what are those physics that go behind that I don’t I don’t know the (2:00:17) physics regarding speed of light interdimension I would think I think that (2:00:25) goes to the point of we’re talking just to back up we’re talking about (2:00:31) spacecraft that travel in immense light years millions of light years and come (2:00:38) in the blink of an eye and have in his experiences with ce5 they show up and (2:00:44) then they disappear yeah so that seems in and out right yes they they’re leaving (2:00:49) our earthly dimension and going to a different dimension I would think that (2:00:53) points to your your point regarding a civilization that could be a million (2:00:59) years more advanced than ours have they discovered a way to do that to transport (2:01:06) themselves a massive amount of distance in the blink of an eye I don’t think (2:01:12) that’s out of the realm of possibility I agree I think if we can harness this (2:01:17) like we I have I I do without going too crazy I do I’ll say believe for lack of a (2:01:27) better word but it’s my opinion that like telekinesis is real that it’s (2:01:30) happened on earth and people who have practiced it can do levitation they can (2:01:36) do certain things I’ve seen some pretty interesting things that people can do (2:01:41) I’d like to think that that’s real but when it comes like so at that point when (2:01:48) you extrapolate that out times a number of years they’ve been around yeah they (2:01:51) could harness that the one the one thing that I that I talked about the reason (2:01:56) I’m gonna go back one because it has to do with Greer’s interpretation of what (2:02:01) they meant remember the guy who said he astral planed up and he hit the (2:02:04) spacecraft yeah he went into the craft they looked at him like what do you know (2:02:09) what do you do bro come that was that that was a fucking callous statement to (2:02:13) make that should not have been in the documentary you could I don’t mind the (2:02:17) actual thing and him saying that he made contact with it in a different (2:02:20) dimension that’s not the issue I have a problem with what when they looked at (2:02:24) him like bro what do you what are you doing like the look you’re gonna read an (2:02:29) aliens look I can’t fucking read a humans fucking look at the time you know (2:02:34) what I’m saying maybe that’s a thought me maybe the alien right but he said he (2:02:38) looked at him like memory even like the way he said he’s like you looked at him (2:02:42) like it’s that it’s those types of statements that I feel you remove you (2:02:47) lose a lot of credibility on the other stuff because you’re now outside what (2:02:54) can be measured it’s a feeling it’s a you know I mean it’s an idea it’s not a (2:03:00) sound experience directly the way like it’s not like hitting the ship is one (2:03:05) thing then and it moving that to me is a legitimate okay that’s what that’s the (2:03:10) statement that he made I now I can work with that but that other part that added (2:03:15) what they’re saying our intent their intent to us is I feel like any step like (2:03:20) that is callous it’s just I think it’s just not responsible I think it’s (2:03:24) irresponsible okay I also think it’s possible that an (2:03:32) alien life-form communicated with the human and advised them that they have no (2:03:39) bad intentions I think it’s possible that is possible remotely possible but (2:03:43) possible I agree 100% it’s possible what I’m not disagreeing that what I’m saying (2:03:49) is when you have one person who’s in control of the entire narrative yeah (2:03:55) it’s dangerous that’s yeah that’s when you become religion why didn’t they (2:04:00) interview the person saying yeah he looked at me like or he told I heard this (2:04:05) not he told me that he told me that he told me that I get it said that’s just (2:04:10) my that’s where I think that’s where this makes it challenging right is like a lot (2:04:14) of it’s hearsay or secondhand and we don’t have enough evidence yet to show (2:04:20) all that and the real the thing about the 1% remember they talk about the 1% (2:04:26) cohesion whatever yes there’s something about the hundredth monkey what was was (2:04:30) the hundredth monkey philosophy or the hundredth monkey theory there are these (2:04:33) two scientists that actually made found this thing someone piggybacked on it and (2:04:38) said well that’s what we can do with humanity and the credibility plummeted (2:04:42) because there was no study done with the humans and the ability to do that it was (2:04:47) basically about this thing and the second you go outside that the (2:04:51) credibility of this goes away because you’re taking a step that you don’t have (2:04:56) a scientific link to the to the facts no he they had a study in that town of 200 (2:05:01) thousand people yes they they did have data there that yes but not the 1% thing (2:05:06) he said just in that case that was the one that was one of the 1% things but he (2:05:12) said at the end that 1% would change the entire world and that is a bold fucking (2:05:17) statement he’s saying that based upon the fact that the 200,000 people town (2:05:21) they put in 1% of the people in that and they with their positive meditations (2:05:27) crime went down it’s you know the town improved the problem with that is a (2:05:32) scientist would have said given this set of data that 1% of the people were (2:05:40) put into a town and these numbers dropped it’s possible that 1% conscious (2:05:46) on one thing could change the world he made it so definitive like it was a fact (2:05:50) and I I know it’s not a fact that’s do you know what I’m saying but his (2:05:56) delivery of it did you not sense a little bit too strong of his delivery (2:06:00) almost like he was trying to sell it he’s making very statement things (2:06:06) factual statements that aren’t facts their beliefs right but he never said I (2:06:12) believe this I said if one we said 1% of the people will change the world like he (2:06:17) said it like like a preacher like a fucking Pope would say God is with us (2:06:24) or Jesus will save you right it’s it is that and that’s dangerous I have (2:06:32) nothing more to add you’re thinking no I’m done (2:06:35) oh oh let’s end on a happy note a lot of fleas a lot of aliens visited (2:06:41) allegedly alleged your favorite word a registry no but I would it was definitely (2:06:47) worth a watch it was cool it was neat to watch okay wasn’t it did you not yeah I (2:06:53) did I enjoyed it too three times maybe that’s the problem I watch it three times (2:06:57) that’s how I fucking is it would pick apart all the other shit the this is the (2:07:02) this is the challenge in the world that we live in when we know that mass media (2:07:07) is manipulating us why isn’t why wouldn’t we assume that this guy’s trying to (2:07:10) manipulate us in a different way I it that’s what sucks about where we are (2:07:15) right now it’s like that’s what sucks where you are right now because I’m not (2:07:20) I’m not in the same place I worry tell me where you are sir I’m not I’m not I (2:07:24) love to hear your thoughts on all that I don’t have anything further to say you (2:07:28) do you just said I just don’t agree that the entire show was shit I didn’t say (2:07:34) it was shit that’s the perception you’re painting bro bro bro what I have (2:07:38) clearly stated that we’ve had experiences of yeah I’m conscious psychic (2:07:43) nature yes I can say that I’ve had that but for me to tell others that it’s real (2:07:47) just because I’ve experienced is a very big step without me showing them in some (2:07:52) way with data but see somebody you did tell would believe you without evidence (2:08:00) that’s where faith comes in I don’t know you would believe because you know that (2:08:05) I believe what I believe yeah Meg Z would know that I believe that I believe (2:08:09) I saw right right I believe that dr.Greer experienced what he did in his (2:08:14) mind I do but I still need to as the Downing Thomas still needs to see the (2:08:20) bush caught on fire when it talks to Moses yeah you need to have that (2:08:24) yourself I don’t think and it’s my opinion that you can’t just tell people (2:08:29) it is and it and it should be because once that happens well that’s where we (2:08:34) are now because we’re basically telling people what is and isn’t and everyone’s (2:08:37) just buying it we’re not buying it yeah I didn’t buy it I’m not I don’t have (2:08:42) $9 yeah well no not the app oh just buying the whole idea okay right well (2:08:48) just look politically philosophically where we say that this is eat this was (2:08:53) a bad act by by a police officer or this was a good act by a nun or whatever (2:08:59) right okay so now I’m just gonna take that a face but I just question (2:09:03) everything just like you and I always do and I just feel like this has some holes (2:09:07) but as a whole as an overall piece I really enjoyed it okay come on man keep I (2:09:16) have nothing further to add do you need to tell me in which way you disagree (2:09:19) no I want you to share your philosophy sir I don’t have one you do you said I (2:09:27) disagree with you what you say and you don’t have a yeah that’s it what is your (2:09:33) philosophy then I don’t see that this is out of the realm of possibility oh yeah (2:09:39) but that wasn’t the question is it question is do we have the evidence that (2:09:44) is corroborator or compelling enough for everyone to buy in I I guess we (2:09:50) won’t know that for a while do we currently have do you find that this that (2:09:56) this documentary cuz using talked about the videos didn’t all feel yeah they (2:10:01) could have been faked right so with are you I’m just stating that we don’t have (2:10:05) enough evidence to say that this is or isn’t yeah no I see your point the jury’s (2:10:10) out right that I wasn’t trying to make it sound like he’s a full of shit I don’t (2:10:14) think he’s full of shit I feel like he’s had real experiences I just think (2:10:20) the way that it was fed to us was in a an emotional way not in a scientific way (2:10:28) okay all right so what else we got that’s it that’s it are you okay no c5 (2:10:35) at 999 get it or don’t are you gonna get it no do you want to get it together (2:10:40) we’ll go have these no here let me borrow your phone for you and then you (2:10:48) can get the ce5 protocols as well Kindle book on Amazon 99 cents 1399 what a deal (2:10:56) 99 cent basic steps here’s this rate Oh how to make contact here you go by Ray (2:11:03) Dove whoo step 1 locate designate an appropriate spot for your ce5 these are (2:11:11) phenomenal I’m going through them step 2 prepare yourself for meditation prepared (2:11:18) it’s having a meeting to have a meeting step 3 meditation state intentions step (2:11:26) 4 focus on your heart center mentally project your peaceful intentions and (2:11:31) invitation out into the cosmos step 5 scan the skies for ET crafts or visual (2:11:38) phenomena be open to possible telepathic communication write down or journal your (2:11:44) experiences debrief okay well there’s your there’s your how to make contact (2:11:48) you save 99 cents I just saved a whole 99 cents thanks Ray Dove full how-to (2:11:53) video on the Pete and Ray pathway show a YouTube channel now we definitely have (2:11:58) to go there I’m gonna go look at it we’re gonna debunk all these (2:12:01) motherfuckers and I didn’t I didn’t initially come in I came in very open to (2:12:08) this and I want to believe all this but I just I’d be just as careful about my (2:12:13) vetting of this information as I am when I shit on stuff I don’t believe right (2:12:19) because if you start with a belief you’re already biased so you’d be open (2:12:23) to everything but try to pick it apart that’s how science works I think science (2:12:30) oh did you get blinded no totally nice hey what were we talking about watching (2:12:36) a movie sometime we always talk about that what was what’s this one you have (2:12:39) to watch now after this what are we what are we talking I don’t know no we were (2:12:43) gonna watch there was a movie that I told you oh the Russell Targa the (2:12:47) YouTube talk the Ted talk and the Messiah complex head extra Oh Messiah (2:12:50) complex I want to watch that again it’s it has been a while you know he’s (2:12:55) enlightened motherfuckers yes Russell Brandt yeah and I feel once again we (2:13:04) we’ve talked about this in the past like Henry like these psychic experiences (2:13:07) right like they’ve been chemically enhanced like Hendricks whatever Russell (2:13:12) Brandt had a huge drug problem yeah and I think that’s what pride open like (2:13:17) consciousness to that extent I feel like there’s still something there like (2:13:21) the whole Terrence McKenna you know psychotropic psychonaut yeah let’s go to (2:13:26) Denver bro yeah but we hate fun fungus yeah we’ll do fun guys just swallow that (2:13:33) shit but it’s still Lego regardless of all of it I know I’ve come to your side (2:13:38) and I know you feel like I’m I was just shitting on this guy but I really am not (2:13:42) I just want to be clear from a science point of view we made your point we get (2:13:53) it oh we do do we yes we get it all right well close us out then bro uh do (2:14:03) you have anything further I’ve always had something further than this wrap it (2:14:07) up be excellent to each other party on dudes (2:14:12) be excellent wrong button press a button I thought you’re gonna do it again (2:14:20) a party on dudes listen subscribe rate review download yell at me for being (2:14:41) such a negative nilly stars stars five of them and up there there’s many of (2:14:47) them billions bye